We've lost our parents to a DOOMSDAY CULT - Apostate Sisters
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ต.ค. 2024
- Today I spoke with Patti and Nancy, who grew up in the Worldwide Church of god but ultimately deconverted as the truth claims of Christianity fell apart.
We touched on many topics, including:
• How cult founder Herbert Armstrong tried to find and create the "true church" as he created the Worldwide Church of god.
• How the cult created high, holy days based in large part on the Old Testament calendar and instituted endless rules and regulations for congregants.
• Seeing Herbert Armstrong's pattern of exploiting the vulnerable.
• Being taught to hate and fear the world, its systems, and the cultures in it.
• Feeling safety and pride over being secure as one of god's "elect."
• Watching their parents lose their connection to the real world as the cult sucked them in deeper and deeper, to the point that their parents have barely spoken to them in 20 years.
• Growing up thinking the world was probably going to end soon so it wasn't important to be very connected to the world, but to instead remain focused on the world to come.
• Being insulated from other cultures and ideas in the context of a strong "us vs. them" mentality.
• Noticing that the church was hyper focused on describing the chaos and dangers of the world while describing themselves as the "safe place" for believers.
• Seeing marriage to a Christian man as a healthy choice in order to remain equally yoked and under the authority and protection of a man, with the background goals of feeling valued and secure.
• Being shamed, as a child, for exploring her own body, and being told that her body and its ability to give and receive pleasure was "for her future husband," which ultimately led to a cycle of disembodiment and shame.
• Realizing that Christians often poison the well against important information and ideas, leading people to eventually deconstruct as they see Christians as no longer honest and safe.
• Working hard to improve the world for future generations through a perspective of "optimistic nihilism."
Many thanks to Patti and Nancy for sharing their stories and insights!
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“We’re just gonna keep f**king it up until we realise authority and power is not the way forward.” ❤👏👏👏
A reminder to all of us that *political power* matters - local, state, and federal. It is the way we solve our differences without killing each other. *Election winners of the majority party make the laws, determine the punishments, set the tax brackets, and shape the judiciary.* I spend a lot of my free time supporting the Democratic party. Even though here in Western North Carolina it's a real uphill battle, we are closing the gap! Every election we lose by less. No seat undefended. It's really important that we all help elect Democrats, and we cannot abdicate our responsibility to participate in electoral politics. Make sure all of our friends and family are registered to vote and that everybody votes. Your vote is equal to one billionaire's vote. If everybody participated, the red side would never win another election because their policies are way out of the mainstream. That's why they (Rs) suppress the vote, that's why they lie and say voting doesn't matter, that's why they're undermining the rule of law, that's why they're funding third party candidates who can't win but could draw off votes from Biden. Let's vote out the Republicans. In 2024 we must send Biden back to our house with a *bright blue* Congress, flip as many state legislatures and governors Blue as possible, and make sure we know our BLUE down ballot candidates for SOS, AG, judges, County commission, school boards, and all the other races. 🗽⚖️🌊🇺🇸🌍🌎🌏🫶🏿💙🩵
And always remember, the US Constitution created our secular government.
THE USA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION
The U.S. Constitution is a secular document. It begins, "We the people," and contains no mention of "God" or "Christianity." Its only references to religion are exclusionary.
Thanks to Tim and these strong smart guests! Loved this interview!
I will support any candidate that will ban Metzitzah Bpeh. The country is more jewish than christian at this point. Legalized institutional pedos. Unreal
@@user-by3ks9bp5d Aaaand that comment from people who are able to torture puppies and enjoy it.
💙🌊💙 well said 💯❣
As an exjw, I'm thrilled to find this channel! Can't wait to delve into the Apostate Sisters channel as well.
Can’t wait to see you over there, Alisha!
“When people know how to believe true things they’re going to make better decisions”
Raising 4 uncircumcised boys in America. Here’s to a new generation
Hell yeah. Im glad my wife didnt care too much about leaving them natural.
Damn, I was raised Methodist but I was around evangelicals in the 80s when my Father became "born again". If you ask me, being born again made him so self righteous and mean at times....he was loving and generous but it was so passive aggressive at times. To me religion is poison. Nothing more than mind control. I do miss some of the coming together of it. The dinners, concerts etc. I wish more atheists got together that way.
I'm an ex-jw, and I'm amazed at the similarities between so many churches. There is so many that I don't know what to believe. I'm in Salem OR. Enjoyed the interviews and discussion. Thank you all.
Tim, what you are doing DOES matter. Of course, if the meteor comes, not so much!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
But until then, as long as these videos are accessible in some kind of way, your voice will live on YEARS AND DECADES, maybe even CENTURIES after you are gone.
This is one of the greatest times in the history of humanity for all of us to leave our marks. Someone will find us. And our stories will resonate. Even if the religious zealots gain power and find a way to scrub TH-cam of all things secular, there will still be remnants somewhere. Like an old photo album discovered in a box in an attic.
I know it may seem futile sometimes, brother Tim. But what you are doing ABSOLUTELY MATTERS!
Keep up the good work, my friend.
My friends! ❤ I highly recommend anyone to listen to their podcast. They are both amazing people 🥰
Hi exrestoredCOG! Thanks for your support and being on here to support Tim Mills as well
Hello!! Thank you so much!!
They're all right I guess 😜
My mother was in the World Wide Church of God, but left when I was still to early to understand it.
These two wonderful women articulate their experiences so eloquently and relatably
Another great video! Love to these great ladies!
I agree with growing food as much as possible for your residence. I have a porch with a potted salad garden I eat fresh from daily during the growing season. No pesticides, no traveling to get it to my plate, higher nutrient values because you harvest ripe not earlier to extend shelf life & it tastes 10X better. There is also the addition of routine, (watering, harvesting, pruning, etc), for me, that makes me excited to get to that point of my day. Sun, water, soil & seeds are all that is required for plants to grow. Gardening is just adding in people who utilize them.
I found your words inspiring.
@@charlesbrowne9590 💗 worse things to be than a muse lol
🎼Apostate sisters..🎶.smart...smart smart...!🎶
I can definitely relate to them there. Working at a retirement home just recently, the amount of people who're by far, and have grown older, have grown so attached to the 'return' of the nonexistent, but can't actually stop and ask themselves why they're even inside of a retirement home is a sad thing to leave here with. And the stress of this sudden return is crazy, random services to honor a man in a book, a god being a solution to even the worst of things; the lives lost only a given to these things. I couldn't imagine giving this all up to literally _nothing_ as us being generational from apes easily comes off as so much more sensible than randomly popping up from the sky.
Sounds a lot like the Hebrew Roots movement I got sucked in to. I wasted 8 1/2 years in deep study only to come to the conclusion that all religions are about control. I’m still trying desperately to untangle my mind.😅
Oh, interesting! I've heard that movement is pretty big actually! I'm glad you got out and are on team untangle!!
Hugs through the internet. Go out and enjoy life, far from the vampires who want to drain it from you.
Yay!! I'm so excited a new video!! Tim, you're heading towards 20k !! 🥳🥳🥳 And BLM 🫶🏿 yes they do!!!
Slowly but surely moving upwards!! Thanks for your longstanding encouragement!!
Nancy's "journey with Jesus" was like my brother's journey. Patti's is similar to mine. My brother never really believed and could not wait to get out. As soon as he reached the age of 18, he left the church. I took the faith much more seriously and that was the cause of major crisis involving fear at the age of 13 which did not fully resolve until the age of 20 when I finally began to understand that there was likely no God, and so my faith melted away. As a believer however, I could never quite get into the faith in the way Tim once did. I often tried but things never worked in the manner the fine print, and preaching said they would work.
As usual a great interview.
I've definitely had a rebellious phase like Nancy. I think it's a consequence of feeling very restricted by religion
My dad was into H. W. Armstrong but not until I was in my late teens. I couldn't see the appeal, especially the idea of Britain being settled by the Ten Lost Tribes. Sadly, I could never really talk to my dad so couldn't find out his beliefs to any depth.
3:50 - I have been to Papua New Guinea too! I was in Port Moresby with the US Embassy back in 1991. Beautiful country but definitely out in the middle of nowhere
This whole planet is out in the middle of nowhere. 😂
Great video mate .♥️♥️♥️👍👍👍
Oh no, I thought only JWs were the ones who doesn’t celebrate birthdays and Christmas😅, this teaching was so special to us that made us believe we are the only chosen people on earth that obeys of not doing things God (Jah) hates😅JWs are good in doomsday message and shunning too, what a similarities!
Thanks very much for sharing your story. I can relate to a lot of this. Raised Catholic and girls were less important than the boys.😮 At 62 I don't think 💬 any one person knows the full truth of our existence 😅 23:33
I was part of one of those token black families in an Armstrong cult! Very excited there are other Apostates like me!!! We were in the Garner Ted faction, while I hadn't heard about him having sex with 200 women, it was a massage parlor incident that damaged him and the church before his death. Al l so familiar, no pork or shellfish, the same crazy high-holy days that isolated me from the rest of my public school cohort. Few indeed there are who appreciate a good shrimp stirfry like I do. Will totally check out their channel.
Wow! Hi there!! We'd be glad to see you over at the channel! -P
@@ApostateSisters I'm as excited as a kid breaking the day of Atonement fast with a gigantic pizza.
Haha! Amazing description, Unicorn! And great name!
@uncleanunicorn4 571 did you really have pizza to break the fast? We had Cream of Wheat cereal, lol
My grandfather blew all his money on "Plain Truth" and sending it to Armstrong. Bed bugs and vampires have more in common with preachers than most people think.
Love me some shrimp and mud bugs too !!
Hugs through the internet.
“Allah loves wondrous variety.” Such a great quote from Robin Hood POT. ❤
❤ “we’re just trying to figure out why!”
It’s so sad isn’t it? But I think somehow some folks seem to need a strong authority figure y to o follow and a worldview that gives them really narrow parameters to live within may be restrictive and unpleasant but may at the same time also provide an emotional security for people who for whatever reason have lacked security. I’m absolutely sure this is why my own parents have remained Evangelicals all their lives despite being well educated in science. It’s certainly irrational but it provides a psychological need
We've been hoodwinked. The mob boss pulls all the strings. No more 😂
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ex SDA agnostic now natural and magic fuel me
I'm an ex jehovahs witness. I was in it for 7 years
I hear ya. I was one of Jehovah's witnesses for nearly 40 years. Like usual, there are a lot of similarities between these cults.
Me three! I thought at first glance these two “apostate sisters” were JW’s as well 🤪. Recall the magazine “Plain Truth”, thinking “hey this Armstrong guy stole our Claim! 🥴
Was a JW for 33 years, their view point on this world very similar to the one I was indoctrinated in. So glad to finally be living “My Truth” 💖🥂
Ish. So sorry. We had no idea that our cult was so similar to the JWs
@nancyviswanathan6296 The Seventh-day Adventists and the JWs grew out of the Millerite Movement that had a failed end times prediction in the 1800s, called The Great Disappointment 😞
Interesting that the JWs predicted the end of the world in 1975 (one of many failed prophecies) and Herbwrt W. Armstrong also had the same '75-78 date for his end times.
I'm also an ex-jw. Nice to meet you 🙂
YAY!
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Patti is still religious, but that's ok, we all are to some level, because we've been programed from birth, it's understandable..... Best interview I've seen in a while 👍 💯
Not everyone is religious in any way and not everyone was at all programmed that way.
I was indoctrinated into the Jehovah's witnesses from birth. It took me 40 years, but I finally found my way out and I am not spiritual at all anymore. Agnostic atheist here.
Hey davebee, thanks for watching our interview and for adding a comment. Patti and I are both atheists, though Patti does dabble a bit in the spiritual realm. She isn’t associated with any sort of organized religion. Not anymore
This is a good point for debate, actually, @davebee4628. I don't consider myself religious at all, but I do dip into some witchcraft-esque practices for self development and dealing with my sh!t. No gods, no set system, just a belief in myself to do what I need to do. I do enjoy a lot of 'what ifs' about the universe that range from aliens to quantum stuff. Still an atheist. Debate me if you wish :)
@nancyviswanathan6296 key words "spiritual realm" that means she still thinks that there is a being outside of self that's in control, when there isn't
I would like to add that Constantine of the Holy Roman Catholic Church empire was appointed by Pope of Rome to switch Saturday ☀️ Sabbath to false protestant Sunday worship churches and yes his wife grew up 7th day Adventist in which the founder Mrs. Ellen G. Whites husband was a Grand Master Mason, I think 🤔 using critical rational thinking now as I am recovering from religion at this time. And according to their Revelation prophecy and the 7th day Adventist the Roman Catholic Church will force Sunday worship churches again and will go after the Sabbath keepers to force them to worship on Sunday! which will cause them to flee to the mountains and in underground catacombs to flee persecution 😮. And they even have books of sects of people like the Waldensions that fled from the Roman Catholic Church and some were put down. And when you are talking about holiday pagen days instead of keeping the Most High Holy Days that's why we go on this Greek Gregorian calendar 🗓️ instead going on the correct calendar, Hebrew calendar according to them. That's why they according to them will say statements like serving a false gospel, religions, false christs, false belief systems and false man made doctrines and teachings in Sunday worship churches, religions. And also I would like to mention the 7th day Adventist believe the prophesy in revelation the little Horn is America! the last Babylon The Great 😮 that will fall eventually? they could be right I'm not saying they are because I have know verifiable evedence but according to them they do have that evedence. Just my take on these matters, and yes I'm still recovering from religion I would put myself in the category of "theists" and I'm still deconstructing 😊 don't give up folks just remember there are others along this path and we're in this together. Love and light to you beautiful, sexy, gorgeous sisters.💪🌍🤔🦉
Wow thanks for sharing interesting infos. No wonder JWs also doesn’t celebrate holidays too, they were/are following the Hebrew Calendar😅
Can you talk about Metzitzah B'peh and institutionalized pedophilia in Judaism? I don't trust any channels that can ignore something so openly accepted and legal.
Plus, much of the anti-Christ philosophy has its roots in Judean history and practices.
Thanks
Do you find this practiced regularly?
It wasn’t ignored as Judaism wasn’t the topic. We were raised in the Worldwide Church of God, which had some similarities to Judaism and Old Testament laws, but it was about our own individual stories. Can you please explain a little further on this topic so people are aware of it?
Armstrong was wrong about the one true church…it’s mormoncorp…😂🤑😂
Love the Black Lives Matter. Props to you. Down with Israel.
Sorry but ALL of the middle east is messed up by the same blood sucking *leadership* based on religion. At least the Jewish people, and many Arabs just want to live and let live. Sad comment.
These two wonderful women articulate their experiences so eloquently and relatably
Thank you!