Great topic..great presentation...the indigenous peoples of Australia didn't adopt the bow and arrow to any great extent despite being in contact with the Torres Strait Islanders who had powerful hunting and war bows.. With the spears and woomera they could use their shield too...l wonder 🤔 too..the multiple spears they carried could frame a cloak for a quick shelter and the woomera was used for fire lighting and a small adze with a blade glued on..multi tool...
Brilliant , accurate and informative. I would certainly be interested in your thoughts on the inland NW Native tribes when regarding the flood epoc around the Younger Dryas.
That atlatla was used mainly for larger and slower game, as the game got smaller and faster, they had to engineer something different where they didn't have to be as close, alerting the game and that's where the bow and arrow became mandatory
A possibility for development of the bow & arrow displacing the Atlatl could have to do with more open spaces requiring a longer range weapon than a spear or atlatl is optimum for. Generally West of the Mississippi River is more open country than Eastern woodlands. A weapon that allows for more consistent harvesting of game within the environment allows easier living and moving within that environment. An example would be that the areas which have usable sized trees can also allow ambush from overhead by a spear wielding hunter, something not available in most of the open prairie area.
I suppose material availability had something to do with this as well, since pine trees for instance don't make great bows, but osage orange trees do and so forth.
Fundamentally, there is no region on this planet (save Antartica, perhaps) that does not offer some form of raw material for archery. The obvious reason for slow spread was "conservatives." Like anything good, for good or ill.
Also, remember, the indigenous peoples of the south east, specifically, used blow guns with a variety of darts. They also had their version of poison for use with the darts. These were used for small game and birds. What is not clear, is when, the blow gun was adopted/developed in the south east. They also used a variety of snares and traps for small game and birds. This was well before “ first contact”. If you care to, please comment. I am interested in your synopsis of this claim.
Hey I’m Faces in the Stone and I’m not an archaeologist. However I did find a mound* that was being destroyed and single-handedly excavated it and found a bow.
Very interesting. I wonder if material availability had much to do with the acceptance. In the southwest we don't have Osage orange, hickory, or ash, popular materials for bows back east. Bows in new Mexico, made from pinon or juniper, had to be backed with sinew to keep from breaking.
I always figured that Archery was slow to make its way in the east was that it was more densely forested and a heavy atlatl dart is much less likely to be diverted by brush and vines than a light arrow.
Just the opposite. A small projectile is less likely to encounter obstructions. You can't muscle through anything with accuracy. Not to mention large range of motion with atlatil
@@markbates3180 I do not know if you have been bow hunting in dense brush or not but I have and I promise you that small twigs and vines that can easily go unnoticed at 25-30 yards can deflect arrows off course, especially with low velocity bows. It is all a matter of force which is mass x velocity and Newton's third law (every action has an equal and opposite reaction) and Newton's first law that an object in motion stays in motion. A low velocity arrow will have less mass than a low velocity atlatl dart, average mass of native arrows seem to be between 500 and 700 grains and using 700 grains to convert to ounces we get 1.6 ounces for the arrow and average mass of atlatl darts seems to be about 6 ounces. The velocity of arrows shot out of a single piece self bow would have a max velocity of about 180 fps while research in the practical use of atlatls show that the average velocity of a dart is 20-40 meters per second, if we take the average of 30 mps and convert it to fps we get 98.425 fps. So the calculations of force for each comes out to 288 for the arrow and 590.55 for the dart which is slightly more than twice the force as the arrow, and that is the heaviest arrows at the highest velocities reasonable for the type of bow that would be made. So, using Newton's first at third laws we can see that it would take much more mass to deflect or stop a dart than it would an arrow and what could move an arrow several inches would be hardly noticeable to a dart that has four times the mass of the arrow.
@@arronjerden915 Interesting. I suppose also that forested terrain negates some of the bow’s distance advantage. Lines of sight don’t especially favor the bow.
I asked a museum curator years ago after viewing all the Native American points on display, how was it that the bow and arrow technology was being used here in North America but also further back in Europe, Mediterranean and North Africa. He said kind of jokingly, “you don’t supposed to ask those sort of questions “. My personal theory is the technology came overland during ice age over the Bering Straits region from the easternmost regions of modern day Russia.
Also heard that the morphology of the teeth of Native Americans more resembles the oriental people of the northern far east. Suggesting that those people did indeed migrate over the straits and carried that technology with them East from it’s origins in the old world.
That is interesting. It just seems coincidental that same design as in bow and arrow was found here as it was in say Roman or even Hellenistic times over there. I don’t know. I must ask how, was it a universal progression to come up with this same technology or was there other travel means and routes to get it there?
In my view, there are no necessary implications in those questions. (the possibility exists, sure.) These are questions that should be asked, regardless about how an expert or people group "feels" about the questions. The bow is definitely more complex technology, and complexity usually, if not always, follows advances. Imagine someone inventing a bicycle before inventing the wheel. Granted technology can spring up simultaneously in different parts of the world, and that may have happened in the case of the bow and arrow, but the diffusion model does best explain its appearance in North America. American Indian culture(s) has/have many South American and "Old World" influences (pre- and post-Columbian) that experts and tribes don't want to acknowledge because it challenges their narrative, identity, etc. Thank you for the video though, because my 5th grade daughter told me that her teacher taught her that the American Indians invented the bow and arrow, and I had to show her how this technology existed long before the Indians used it and most likely come here from outside. But they certainly did not invent bow and arrow technology. Also, there have been studies on arrowhead technology and its diffusionist spread whether from east Asia or continental Europe. Although the later is definitely not PC.
What does that mean, “technology usually follows advances”? Second question: You told your daughter that bow and arrow technology came here (to the American continents) from outside. What evidence exists that outsiders brought the technology to the inhabitants of the Americas? As far as I know, no such evidence exists.
Also, remember, the indigenous peoples of the south east, specifically, used blow guns with a variety of darts. They also had their version of poison for use with the darts. These were used for small game and birds. What is not clear, is when, the blow gun was adopted/developed in the south east. They also used a variety of snares and traps for small game and birds. This was well before “ first contact”.
Seriously, no kidding, I have seen some captivating paintings with the Spanish contact period motif. Is it possible that the Agua Dulce here in the 1600's could be seen poling their canoes toking on a Cohiba ?
At 1:12, I thought those were my hands, I have identical points in both hands. lol Did they heat temper their spear points? I have one in almost perfect condition. It looks like a spear made from coal. It's not real shiny but has a shine to it. It pure black, like carbon. I pulled it out of an old camp fire pit deep inside a half domed rock outcropping. 60 feet Opening faced directly west or very close to it on the property. At some point there was a huge rock slab that fell . Was during an earthquake/curse, legend has it. (Chief Cornstalk) The rock split and left about a foot wide crack lengthwise down the center of it. It's every bit of 6 to 8 feet thick and 30 feet long and 20 feet in radius. People had been digging under that slab for a couple hundred years. There are some interesting stories of things found. I'm a new subscriber and looking forward to your content Thanks
Where are you from and where did you go to school. I've sub and I am really interested in this type of history. I have found many arrow heads over my time in this planet all from just a few inches to about a foot under ground and fairly close to rivers but not next to them. I live in Ohio and have seen the mounds in southern Ohio they say there is a large mound in tallmage and I lived near this area but have never been able to confirm this but it is interesting that there is a large mound in the middle of a field. Continued success and I look forward to new videos.
I'm from a town called Central in South Carolina originally. It's near Clemson and Greenville. I went to Appalachian State for undergrad and I'm at Tennessee for grad school.
@@NathanaelFosaaen I was thinking that you could make a video about assumptions people who dont know about archeology make like that the bow and arrow came from one place and spread across North America till it was everywhere . Bust all the myths. So to answer your question ( if I understand it ) Yes
Probably not, as the white sands footprints are the earliest evidence by thousands of years. As of right now, there are no artifacts that match that time period.
The atlatl would have been better for large megafauna. When they killed off most of the megafauna, moving towards extinction, the bow would be much better for smaller, faster moving game.
Except the atlatl continued to be the primary weapon throughout the southeast until about 1300 years ago. So 10,000 years after the megafauna died out.
Calf Creek I love those, You know the Citrus type has nice notches, but the Calf Creek are so thin , straight, the knapper must have had a large abundance of notchers of antler or bone......calf creeks tear up my copper tips quick. We become a part of the loop as the finder and discover the artistic skill the person produced. You can't be hungry, without a mellow head to indirect percuss those.
I don't mess with copper and I don't even want to think about how often they had to replace their notching tools. I've found their practice pieces on projects before. Just flakes with notches all over them.
Have you ever shot a bow “from concealment”? Have you shot a bow from a prone or crouching/sitting position. In real life, not in a RPG. I’m not convinced that the bow is more stealthy in real circumstances. It might be in some situations (shooting at waterfowl from a constructed hunting blind), but the bow and arrow would be better equipment for smaller prey anyway in that example.
were always told that the atlatl was 1st and then the bow came 2nd'' ,, do you think they were here at the same time? i think they were, thats just me' i am a life long bow hunter and a fairly good flint knapper,, and i have a good collection of arrow heads found here in southeast KY were i live' and i have 1 CLOVIS point that weigh's 100 grains. that i found under a cliff overhang bout 4 feet under the ground' its fiuted down both sides,, now 100 gr. is pretty small (lite) for an atlatl dart, i think that it was made for arrow and not a dart {spear) '' now thats just my opinion ,, looking forward ta hearing your thoughts' you now have a new subscriber'' thanks for the video, keep um coming,,,
for christmas my grandpa gave me a quartz spear point he’d found while walking in the woods about 50 years ago, i thought it was very interesting that it was made from quartz given that quartz is less effective than chert! i guess it could’ve also been one that someone made in modern times that they discarded though…
There's no such thing as a coincidence. Bow technology was transferred. In the original Conan the Barbarian, the warrior attack on the village is frighteningly realistic. Bows are better suited to warfare.
maybe a second wave of people came bringing the bow with them. sort of how the gun came. of course if only a fairly small group came the spread of the bow would be uneven time wise. there was no horse so travel was less and slower.
as the larger game died out the bow and arrow moved to the fore where even small birds TINY ones could be game instead of just mastadons and sloths where an atlatl had to be used. I dont believe it was "all of one thing or all of the other" evolution does not take place like the old straight line drawing "mudfish turns into shrew shrew turns into monkey monkey turns into human nor would it with weapons in different areas. youhave a huge braided river system MESS not branches coming up from the trunk of a tree.
Just watched old Canadian documentary on Inuit culture. The bow was not very long and laminated with antler material. Very interesting showing first hand assembly by Inuit man. Tacto, is a series of documentaries showing actual First people survival skills from kayak construction to harpoons.
Just discovered you yesterday and gave you a hard time about boats and the ice free corridor. I found this very interesting. I’ve found small projectile points that I was sure were much older than the bow. Were there multiple sizes of atlatls or throwing darts or maybe fish stabbing spears? Have you worked at poverty point? BTW just subscribed The small points I’m talking about are from Virginia. And one from SW texas that I was told is a gary point?
What evidence supports independent agriculture. I'm 64 years old and can still walk 20 miles in half a day. Are you talking corn, beans and squash ,or something else.
Yeah, this is new to me too, I'll check out the other video. Maybe it has something to do with your nut video? Have you considered pre-adative conditions for accepting various diffusing innovations? Atlatl-> arrow, nut propogation->corn/bean/squash?
@@dooleyfussle8634 The eastern agricultural complex had nothing to do with corn beans and squash. it was based on weedy annuals like Sunflower, Chenopodium, and Maygrass. It gets some attention in the Patty Jo Watson video and the other caves videos.
Anyone else notice that the Atl atl root word is the same as Atlantis. I know this is a professional channel, but I find that very interesting and I haven't heard it mention anywhere else.
@@NathanaelFosaaen You answered one crank so I figured I would try my luck. Does the younger dryas impact hypothesis get any evidence from archeological finds in N. American . Like a set back in technology or a large area that people settled then abandoned for a long period. Not necessary reptilians or The continent of Mu but a case where they flint napped one way then used an inferior method for awhile and once again improved the method ?
@@NathanaelFosaaen Ugh... That was disappointing. Sorry but when the man claims 'there is no other known way to create nanodiamonds' he is getting basic information wrong and that is troublesome for an academic. Nanodiamonds can be formed in an impact, explosion (volcanism) and by wild fires. He also talks about megafaunal extinctions without acknowledging about 75% of the megafauna were already extinct in North America by the time of human arrival to the continent. Why? The Bølling-Allerød interstadial. It was the warm period before the return to ice age conditions of the Younger Dryas. These Megafauna survived many an ice age and a return to such wouldn't have been an extinction event. Had to stop listening to the guy... Shame.
What did you mean by contact period with the aztecs?? Were you meaning aztecs meeting europeans, or implying they went north of mexico?? Ive heard they may have done btw, just curious if some evidence turned up.
When the Spanish made contact with the Aztec. there was definitely trade between mesoamerica and the American Southwest, like at Chaco, but to my knowledge there's not really great evidence of any sort of extended relationship with the woodland southeast and the Aztec.
@@NathanaelFosaaen yes thats about what ive heard, that baffles me far more than anything else with american history in that they didnt invade the north.
It really seems like they were too busy fighting amongst themselves to be worried about the Eastern Woodlands, and the American Southwest is a desert. the only things they had that the Aztec wanted were jadeite and salt.
Duhn Duhn Duhn! The esmoking gun. I have talked to a nice lady professor emeritus UF. Her, and 2 other fellows were studying the Vero man. I do not know how it turned out, thier research or conclusions.
I forgot about the Andice biface, in Texas pronounced Ann Dice, and in Gettysburg pronounced Andisssss, like Landissss, that house I stopped at back when I worked for Bobby Lee in 1864. The first time I heard the comical song "Transfusion Transfusion"
Why you talking about indians? Im talking about going to the local cemetery and digging, I mean "discovering" up some freaking gold. What's the difference?
I did a whole video on Chiquihuite cave and the 30,000 year date is not convincing at all. The white sands dates around 23,000 cal BP are solid though.
I think people like you don't want to admit the real Americans have been around longer than your egos permit. We Anglo Europeans are far superior to the Redman. Redmen are but children who need to be looked after. Simon Fraser university and the University of Victoria are involved in a dig on the British Columbia coast that carbon dating places the Heiltsuk there 15000 years ago, those are learned institutions and are recognized. Yes that predates your Clovis people. Get over yourself.
I live in Lincoln county New Mexico and have found a lot of spear heads arrow heads pottery and tools.Love looking around my land for cool things.
All your videos thus far have been very interesting. So glad I found your channel.
@@richardmann3396 Sorry, I'm a Bottoms Up not necessarily a Top Down believer in some things. I had to ask
Great topic..great presentation...the indigenous peoples of Australia didn't adopt the bow and arrow to any great extent despite being in contact with the Torres Strait Islanders who had powerful hunting and war bows.. With the spears and woomera they could use their shield too...l wonder 🤔 too..the multiple spears they carried could
frame a cloak for a quick shelter and the woomera was used for fire lighting and a small adze with a blade glued on..multi tool...
Brilliant , accurate and informative. I would certainly be interested in your thoughts on the inland NW Native tribes when regarding the flood epoc around the Younger Dryas.
That atlatla was used mainly for larger and slower game, as the game got smaller and faster, they had to engineer something different where they didn't have to be as close, alerting the game and that's where the bow and arrow became mandatory
This was mentioned in the video.
I think people with that technology filled the gap and were more successful.
Gradually, the technology travelled too.
"Watch this."
Shoonk.
A possibility for development of the bow & arrow displacing the Atlatl could have to do with more open spaces requiring a longer range weapon than a spear or atlatl is optimum for. Generally West of the Mississippi River is more open country than Eastern woodlands. A weapon that allows for more consistent harvesting of game within the environment allows easier living and moving within that environment. An example would be that the areas which have usable sized trees can also allow ambush from overhead by a spear wielding hunter, something not available in most of the open prairie area.
I suppose material availability had something to do with this as well, since pine trees for instance don't make great bows, but osage orange trees do and so forth.
The stringing used as well could be a cause. Bows don’t shoot good in the rain, brittle in snow and stretch in humidity lessening the effectiveness
Fundamentally, there is no region on this planet (save Antartica, perhaps) that does not offer some form of raw material for archery. The obvious reason for slow spread was "conservatives." Like anything good, for good or ill.
Also, remember, the indigenous peoples of the south east, specifically, used blow guns with a variety of darts. They also had their version of poison for use with the darts. These were used for small game and birds. What is not clear, is when, the blow gun was adopted/developed in the south east. They also used a variety of snares and traps for small game and birds. This was well before “ first contact”. If you care to, please comment. I am interested in your synopsis of this claim.
Great point.
What a technological leap.
Copied from the snake ??
The poison dart part anyway.
The delivery system copied from the archer fish ??
Hey I’m Faces in the Stone and I’m not an archaeologist. However I did find a mound* that was being destroyed and single-handedly excavated it and found a bow.
Very interesting. I wonder if material availability had much to do with the acceptance. In the southwest we don't have Osage orange, hickory, or ash, popular materials for bows back east. Bows in new Mexico, made from pinon or juniper, had to be backed with sinew to keep from breaking.
That map (the spread of archery in NA) is cool as hell, is there one for the entire planet? Or even just other parts of it?
I always figured that Archery was slow to make its way in the east was that it was more densely forested and a heavy atlatl dart is much less likely to be diverted by brush and vines than a light arrow.
Just the opposite.
A small projectile is less likely to encounter obstructions.
You can't muscle through anything with accuracy.
Not to mention large range of motion with atlatil
@@markbates3180 I do not know if you have been bow hunting in dense brush or not but I have and I promise you that small twigs and vines that can easily go unnoticed at 25-30 yards can deflect arrows off course, especially with low velocity bows. It is all a matter of force which is mass x velocity and Newton's third law (every action has an equal and opposite reaction) and Newton's first law that an object in motion stays in motion. A low velocity arrow will have less mass than a low velocity atlatl dart, average mass of native arrows seem to be between 500 and 700 grains and using 700 grains to convert to ounces we get 1.6 ounces for the arrow and average mass of atlatl darts seems to be about 6 ounces. The velocity of arrows shot out of a single piece self bow would have a max velocity of about 180 fps while research in the practical use of atlatls show that the average velocity of a dart is 20-40 meters per second, if we take the average of 30 mps and convert it to fps we get 98.425 fps. So the calculations of force for each comes out to 288 for the arrow and 590.55 for the dart which is slightly more than twice the force as the arrow, and that is the heaviest arrows at the highest velocities reasonable for the type of bow that would be made. So, using Newton's first at third laws we can see that it would take much more mass to deflect or stop a dart than it would an arrow and what could move an arrow several inches would be hardly noticeable to a dart that has four times the mass of the arrow.
@@arronjerden915 Interesting. I suppose also that forested terrain negates some of the bow’s distance advantage. Lines of sight don’t especially favor the bow.
Bows are more difficult technology.
An Australian Aboriginal bloke showed my workmate and his sister how to create a spear/ atlatl in a day.
I asked a museum curator years ago after viewing all the Native American points on display, how was it that the bow and arrow technology was being used here in North America but also further back in Europe, Mediterranean and North Africa.
He said kind of jokingly, “you don’t supposed to ask those sort of questions “.
My personal theory is the technology came overland during ice age over the Bering Straits region from the easternmost regions of modern day Russia.
Also heard that the morphology of the teeth of Native Americans more resembles the oriental people of the northern far east. Suggesting that those people did indeed migrate over the straits and carried that technology with them East from it’s origins in the old world.
Arrowheads don't show up until after 2000 years ago, so definitely didn't come with the first people's.
That is interesting. It just seems coincidental that same design as in bow and arrow was found here as it was in say Roman or even Hellenistic times over there.
I don’t know. I must ask how, was it a universal progression to come up with this same technology or was there other travel means and routes to get it there?
Floated over in a canoe along with a mummified hunter.
Thank you. Good presentation on interesting subject.
In my view, there are no necessary implications in those questions. (the possibility exists, sure.) These are questions that should be asked, regardless about how an expert or people group "feels" about the questions. The bow is definitely more complex technology, and complexity usually, if not always, follows advances. Imagine someone inventing a bicycle before inventing the wheel.
Granted technology can spring up simultaneously in different parts of the world, and that may have happened in the case of the bow and arrow, but the diffusion model does best explain its appearance in North America. American Indian culture(s) has/have many South American and "Old World" influences (pre- and post-Columbian) that experts and tribes don't want to acknowledge because it challenges their narrative, identity, etc. Thank you for the video though, because my 5th grade daughter told me that her teacher taught her that the American Indians invented the bow and arrow, and I had to show her how this technology existed long before the Indians used it and most likely come here from outside. But they certainly did not invent bow and arrow technology. Also, there have been studies on arrowhead technology and its diffusionist spread whether from east Asia or continental Europe. Although the later is definitely not PC.
What does that mean, “technology usually follows advances”?
Second question: You told your daughter that bow and arrow technology came here (to the American continents) from outside. What evidence exists that outsiders brought the technology to the inhabitants of the Americas? As far as I know, no such evidence exists.
Also, remember, the indigenous peoples of the south east, specifically, used blow guns with a variety of darts. They also had their version of poison for use with the darts. These were used for small game and birds. What is not clear, is when, the blow gun was adopted/developed in the south east. They also used a variety of snares and traps for small game and birds. This was well before “ first contact”.
Apparently the word atlatal comes from the Aztec words "ah" and "tlatl," which, respectively, meant "not" and "cloth sling."
Seriously, no kidding, I have seen some captivating paintings with the Spanish contact period motif. Is it possible that the Agua Dulce here in the 1600's could be seen poling their canoes toking on a Cohiba ?
At 1:12, I thought those were my hands, I have identical points in both hands. lol
Did they heat temper their spear points?
I have one in almost perfect condition. It looks like a spear made from coal. It's not real shiny but has a shine to it. It pure black, like carbon.
I pulled it out of an old camp fire pit deep inside a half domed rock outcropping. 60 feet Opening faced directly west or very close to it on the property. At some point there was a huge rock slab that fell . Was during an earthquake/curse, legend has it. (Chief Cornstalk)
The rock split and left about a foot wide crack lengthwise down the center of it. It's every bit of 6 to 8 feet thick and 30 feet long and 20 feet in radius. People had been digging under that slab for a couple hundred years. There are some interesting stories of things found.
I'm a new subscriber and looking forward to your content
Thanks
Thanks Nathan
Fascinaging, thank you!
Where are you from and where did you go to school. I've sub and I am really interested in this type of history. I have found many arrow heads over my time in this planet all from just a few inches to about a foot under ground and fairly close to rivers but not next to them. I live in Ohio and have seen the mounds in southern Ohio they say there is a large mound in tallmage and I lived near this area but have never been able to confirm this but it is interesting that there is a large mound in the middle of a field. Continued success and I look forward to new videos.
I'm from a town called Central in South Carolina originally. It's near Clemson and Greenville. I went to Appalachian State for undergrad and I'm at Tennessee for grad school.
Could the B&A spread up from The Puripeca ? I understand they were deadly accurate with archery.
From the who?
@@NathanaelFosaaen The Tarascans in Michoacan.Purepecha. 😀
@craigmiller4528 oh then no. They're far too late in time and they're from the wrong direction.
It would be neat to see a video on implicit assumptions in archaeology.
I don't really understand what you mean. like the law of superposition?
Uniformitarianism?
@@NathanaelFosaaen I was thinking that you could make a video about assumptions people who dont know about archeology make like that the bow and arrow came from one place and spread across North America till it was everywhere . Bust all the myths. So to answer your question ( if I understand it ) Yes
Thank you for the information. Blessings
Do we have any idea whether very early populations, such as those responsible for those footprints at White Sands, had atlatls?
Probably not, as the white sands footprints are the earliest evidence by thousands of years. As of right now, there are no artifacts that match that time period.
Ever tried to use an atlatl or sling in the woods?
If they had compound bows we would all still be wearing loin cloths
The atlatl would have been better for large megafauna. When they killed off most of the megafauna, moving towards extinction, the bow would be much better for smaller, faster moving game.
Except the atlatl continued to be the primary weapon throughout the southeast until about 1300 years ago. So 10,000 years after the megafauna died out.
@@NathanaelFosaaen There were still good uses of atlatl, such as human prey and larger animals.
how about the addition of removable tips to the spear i.e. multiple shots from one spear with replacement of the tips.
Yeah we call those foreshafts.
In a mammoth hunt, I’d take an atlatl over a bow ANY day of the week.
In a mammoth hunt you'd be running the other way
Calf Creek I love those, You know the Citrus type has nice notches, but the Calf Creek are so thin , straight, the knapper must have had a large abundance of notchers of antler or bone......calf creeks tear up my copper tips quick. We become a part of the loop as the finder and discover the artistic skill the person produced. You can't be hungry, without a mellow head to indirect percuss those.
I don't mess with copper and I don't even want to think about how often they had to replace their notching tools. I've found their practice pieces on projects before. Just flakes with notches all over them.
Stealth with a bow is easier in surprising youre quarry whether food or enemy.shooting from concealment vs standing to throw.
That kind of depends on your quarry and your stealth level.
@@rockinbobokkin7831 they weren't suburbanites on a camping trip.
This was their survival.
Have you ever shot a bow “from concealment”? Have you shot a bow from a prone or crouching/sitting position. In real life, not in a RPG. I’m not convinced that the bow is more stealthy in real circumstances. It might be in some situations (shooting at waterfowl from a constructed hunting blind), but the bow and arrow would be better equipment for smaller prey anyway in that example.
@@MarcosElMalo2 48 years archery hunter so yes.try throwing from those positions.
were always told that the atlatl was 1st and then the bow came 2nd'' ,, do you think they were here at the same time? i think they were, thats just me' i am a life long bow hunter and a fairly good flint knapper,, and i have a good collection of arrow heads found here in southeast KY were i live' and i have 1 CLOVIS point that weigh's 100 grains. that i found under a cliff overhang bout 4 feet under the ground' its fiuted down both sides,, now 100 gr. is pretty small (lite) for an atlatl dart, i think that it was made for arrow and not a dart {spear) '' now thats just my opinion ,, looking forward ta hearing your thoughts' you now have a new subscriber'' thanks for the video, keep um coming,,,
for christmas my grandpa gave me a quartz spear point he’d found while walking in the woods about 50 years ago, i thought it was very interesting that it was made from quartz given that quartz is less effective than chert! i guess it could’ve also been one that someone made in modern times that they discarded though…
Quartz points are really common in the southeast. especially in chert-poor areas like the Eastern Appalachians
@@NathanaelFosaaen that’s where we are!!!!! so cool!!!!!!!!
You should give Thomas Whyte's book Boone before Boone a read. It's pretty short and gives an overview of the culture history of Watauga County NC.
interesting, why replace the weapon you feel is the best?
There's no such thing as a coincidence.
Bow technology was transferred.
In the original Conan the Barbarian, the warrior attack on the village is frighteningly realistic.
Bows are better suited to warfare.
interesting!
interesting. thank yew
maybe a second wave of people came bringing the bow with them. sort of how the gun came. of course if only a fairly small group came the spread of the bow would be uneven time wise. there was no horse so travel was less and slower.
Nice
An atlatl has more punch, but you can carry more arrows than spears.
Bigger cut radius too.
Thanks
Hundredth monkey effect, could explain how things/ideas expand also.
But it could not explain comment streams like this
Right at 0:21, can you spell that? "Adladdle"
Atlatl.
Vikings passed the technology to the native americans.
The bow was already all over the continent in the 10th century, you can't introduce something to someone who already has it.
So bows were never developed in south america?
No idea. I don't work there.
as the larger game died out the bow and arrow moved to the fore where even small birds TINY ones could be game instead of just mastadons and sloths where an atlatl had to be used. I dont believe it was "all of one thing or all of the other" evolution does not take place like the old straight line drawing "mudfish turns into shrew shrew turns into monkey monkey turns into human nor would it with weapons in different areas. youhave a huge braided river system MESS not branches coming up from the trunk of a tree.
More than 10,000 years separate the extirpation of the megafauna and the introduction of the bow. There's no connection.
Hit a mammoth with an arrow and you'd just piss it off , you better have a spear and trusting power close by lol
Elephants have been killed with arrows. Multiple arrows would also do the job.
Not very good tree species in the Arctic for a bow. Wonder what the bows were made from.
Google "arctic bow wood". There's a pdf right up top.
Just watched old Canadian documentary on Inuit culture.
The bow was not very long and laminated with antler material.
Very interesting showing first hand
assembly by Inuit man.
Tacto, is a series of documentaries showing actual First people survival skills from kayak construction to harpoons.
I had to look up what is an atlatl. Ha!
Just discovered you yesterday and gave you a hard time about boats and the ice free corridor. I found this very interesting. I’ve found small projectile points that I was sure were much older than the bow. Were there multiple sizes of atlatls or throwing darts or maybe fish stabbing spears? Have you worked at poverty point?
BTW just subscribed
The small points I’m talking about are from Virginia.
And one from SW texas that I was told is a gary point?
What evidence supports independent agriculture.
I'm 64 years old and can still walk 20 miles in half a day.
Are you talking corn, beans and squash ,or something else.
I talked about that in the Patty Jo Watson video and the Salts Cave Miners video I think.
Yeah, this is new to me too, I'll check out the other video. Maybe it has something to do with your nut video? Have you considered pre-adative conditions for accepting various diffusing innovations? Atlatl-> arrow, nut propogation->corn/bean/squash?
@@dooleyfussle8634 The eastern agricultural complex had nothing to do with corn beans and squash. it was based on weedy annuals like Sunflower, Chenopodium, and Maygrass. It gets some attention in the Patty Jo Watson video and the other caves videos.
Ok, I was wondering if chenopods had something to do with it.
Anyone else notice that the Atl atl root word is the same as Atlantis. I know this is a professional channel, but I find that very interesting and I haven't heard it mention anywhere else.
You think that's crazy? Look at the city of Atlanta! That's just a couple of letters off!!!
@@NathanaelFosaaen You answered one crank so I figured I would try my luck. Does the younger dryas impact hypothesis get any evidence from archeological finds in N. American . Like a set back in technology or a large area that people settled then abandoned for a long period. Not necessary reptilians or The continent of Mu but a case where they flint napped one way then used an inferior method for awhile and once again improved the method ?
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Chris Moore is the go-to guy on this. th-cam.com/video/B4alOJpBUY0/w-d-xo.html
@@NathanaelFosaaen Ugh... That was disappointing. Sorry but when the man claims 'there is no other known way to create nanodiamonds' he is getting basic information wrong and that is troublesome for an academic.
Nanodiamonds can be formed in an impact, explosion (volcanism) and by wild fires.
He also talks about megafaunal extinctions without acknowledging about 75% of the megafauna were already extinct in North America by the time of human arrival to the continent. Why? The Bølling-Allerød interstadial. It was the warm period before the return to ice age conditions of the Younger Dryas. These Megafauna survived many an ice age and a return to such wouldn't have been an extinction event.
Had to stop listening to the guy... Shame.
I have personally looked for the lost city of Atlanta for the last decade and I plan to keep looking despite previous setbacks
The natives got their gear from
"Three Rivers Archery"
Duh...
What did you mean by contact period with the aztecs?? Were you meaning aztecs meeting europeans, or implying they went north of mexico?? Ive heard they may have done btw, just curious if some evidence turned up.
When the Spanish made contact with the Aztec. there was definitely trade between mesoamerica and the American Southwest, like at Chaco, but to my knowledge there's not really great evidence of any sort of extended relationship with the woodland southeast and the Aztec.
@@NathanaelFosaaen yes thats about what ive heard, that baffles me far more than anything else with american history in that they didnt invade the north.
It really seems like they were too busy fighting amongst themselves to be worried about the Eastern Woodlands, and the American Southwest is a desert. the only things they had that the Aztec wanted were jadeite and salt.
Duhn Duhn Duhn! The esmoking gun. I have talked to a nice lady professor emeritus UF. Her, and 2 other fellows were studying the Vero man. I do not know how it turned out, thier research or conclusions.
I forgot about the Andice biface, in Texas pronounced Ann Dice, and in Gettysburg pronounced Andisssss, like Landissss, that house I stopped at back when I worked for Bobby Lee in 1864. The first time I heard the comical song "Transfusion Transfusion"
Your audio is usually terrible. This was too.
Ridiculous. The bow is far superior to the atlatl.
How so?
Why you talking about indians? Im talking about going to the local cemetery and digging, I mean "discovering" up some freaking gold. What's the difference?
Your data is so out of wack. Recent data shows that we've been here 30000 years.
I did a whole video on Chiquihuite cave and the 30,000 year date is not convincing at all. The white sands dates around 23,000 cal BP are solid though.
I think people like you don't want to admit the real Americans have been around longer than your egos permit.
We Anglo Europeans are far superior to the Redman. Redmen are but children who need to be looked after. Simon Fraser university and the University of Victoria are involved in a dig on the British Columbia coast that carbon dating places the Heiltsuk there 15000 years ago, those are learned institutions and are recognized. Yes that predates your Clovis people. Get over yourself.