I loved Rocky Marciano's response when someone asked him what he was thinking when Walcott knocked him down in their first fight: "Gee, this fellow hits hard. I might have to get up a couple of times before I knock him out."
Muhammad Ali, *"Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard* (unrecognizable) *folks in Africa."* Cosell, *"But you think you could have beaten him too?"* Ali, *"Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination."* Cosell, *"You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."* Ali, *"Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"* Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"A prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual "I'm the greatest" after part 6. Why was the most important part removed? *This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades! Truth is they've removed over 3 hours because it didn't align with their agenda! *The Fact is Ali had a deep seeded dislike for Marciano! Ali knew Marciano was deceased so he Lied when he said Marciano was better than Joe Frazier!* Y'all can order copies *@ Muhammad Ali Archival Television Audio Inc* just go to the *3rd page* to order 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore and Louis. *"A prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* - Muhammad Ali, 02/15/76
Ali never respected Rocky. The truth is Ali severely disrespects Rocky and even challenges him to fight but Rocky declines *@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."* "Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs." "By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"* "Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem." *@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco Chapter 10* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano?"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness and some numbness in his limbs as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
"That a woman be waiting for Rocky was as requisite for his appearance as the folded $100 bills. If he ever went to some place and there was not a girl waiting for him, he'd never come back," says Santarelli, his Chicago underworld pal. -@ THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Aug 23 1993
Marciano was on a “no-lose” mission to achieving greatness and he did so by simply out-working and out-conditioning all fighting foes. His work ethic was nothing short of remarkably consistent and disciplined: hours of running, gym work, sparring, push-ups and sit-ups, countless medicine-ball thumps to the gut. Marciano was committed to his training regimen. Rocky is also remembered and honored for his class as an individual, not only his 49-0. He never boasted or ridiculed his opponents. Regardless what others may think, Rocky Marciano was a great champion.
Ali never respected Rocky. The truth is Ali severely disrespects Rocky and even challenges him to fight but Rocky declines *@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."* "Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs." "By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"* "Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem." *@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco Chapter 10* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano?"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
Muhammad Ali, *"Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard* (unrecognizable) *folks in Africa."* Cosell, *"But you think you could have beaten him too?"* Ali, *"Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination."* Cosell, *"You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."* Ali, *"Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"* Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"A prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual "I'm the greatest" after part 6. Why was the most important part removed? *This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades! Truth is they've removed over 3 hours because it didn't align with their agenda! *The Fact is Ali had a deep seeded dislike for Marciano! Ali knew Marciano was deceased so he Lied when he said Marciano was better than Joe Frazier!* Y'all can order copies *@ Muhammad Ali Archival Television Audio Inc* just go to the *3rd page* to order 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore and Louis. *"A prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* - Muhammad Ali, 02/15/76
Enormous criminal empires had been built on the supply of illegal liquor during the Prohibition era. Italian Al Capone’s the most infamous among them. When prohibition came to an end in 1933 the Mob needed something new. Access to the machinery of boxing, a wilfully unfettered anarchy proved remarkably easy to acquire. Boxing was now fertile ground for the Mafia. The Italian mob controlled it all, from the trainers and managers to the reporting journalists, with a combination of intimidation and financial backing ensuring everybody the mob wanted was under their control. The entire eastern seaboard was Italian, it was all Italian. Even the commissioner of boxing was Italian.
Hall of Famer Teddy Brenner who later became president of Madison Square Garden Boxing said, “Carbo had his fingers on the throat of boxing. If he did not own a certain fighter he owned the manager. Weill was a boxing politician who held hands with the mob. When Weill was Marciano’s manager he was controlled by Carbo. In May 1949 Weill became the matchmaker for the IBC. That meant Marciano could fight against carefully chosen opponents when and where Weill wanted. When the IBC took over promotion at Madison Square Garden, Brenner returned there to work as assistant matchmaker to Al Weill. Brenner booked preliminary matches at the Garden and cards at St. Nicholas Arena, also in New York. In 1950, Brenner left the IBC, alleging Weill had ordered him to make a match for a fixed fight. Eventually the verdict was damning; 25 years in Alcatraz for Carbo, 15 years in prison for Palermo. Marciano visited both inside their prison cells numerous times." -- written by International Boxing Hall Of Fame
Rocky was a never ending onslaught of cardiovascular brutality. He had a chin that allowed him to exchange and let him set his feet to put guys under. He also had some of the sneakiest footwork and underrated defenses the sport has seen.
Ali never respected Rocky. The truth is Ali severely disrespects Rocky and even challenges him to fight but Rocky declines *@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."* "Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs." "By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"* "Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem." *@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco Chapter 10* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano?"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
Muhammad Ali, *"Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard* (unrecognizable) *folks in Africa."* Cosell, *"But you think you could have beaten him too?"* Ali, *"Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination."* Cosell, *"You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."* Ali, *"Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"* Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"A prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual "I'm the greatest" after part 6. Why was the most important part removed? *This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades! Truth is they've removed over 3 hours because it didn't align with their agenda! *The Fact is Ali had a deep seeded dislike for Marciano! Ali knew Marciano was deceased so he Lied when he said Marciano was better than Joe Frazier!* Y'all can order copies *@ Muhammad Ali Archival Television Audio Inc* just go to the *3rd page* to order 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore and Louis. *"A prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* - Muhammad Ali, 02/15/76
It's just the same person with multiple accounts making these comments under every post about rock. Rocky Marciano very seldom got cleanly hit- cus da'mato
*second Rocky Marciano-Jersey Joe Walcott was a fixed fight:* Walcott had floored Marciano and was leading on all the cards in their first bout when Marciano scored a one-punch knockout. Many at the time viewed it as a lucky punch. The Jim Norris-led IBC - which controlled boxing at the time - felt they had a star in the young Marciano and they wanted to build him up. Rocky Marciano’s manager, Al Weill, was also conveniently the matchmaker for the IBC. Walcott was one of the IBC’s original fighters. (He signed on when Joe Louis retired.) The rematch was held at Chicago Stadium - the heart of the IBC. (Jim Norris owned Chicago Stadium.) Norris also promoted all the Gillette Friday Night Fights. Marciano-Walcott II aired live on the Friday Night Fights. Eyebrows were raised before the fight when it was announced that Walcott, the challenger, was being paid nearly double ($250,000) than what the champ Marciano would earn. That didn't seem to make sense to anyone. That figure caused even a bigger suspicion when Walcott dove from a punch most didn't see and somehow “missed” the count - getting up a second too late. Thousands of people in the audience began yelling “Fix” almost immediately. I have newspaper reports from the day after where none of the reporters at ringside saw the punch and reported that the crowd was raging -- all chanting fix. Walcott wept in the ring before he left, he was so humiliated.
*second Rocky Marciano-Jersey Joe Walcott was a fixed fight:* Walcott had floored Marciano and was leading on all the cards in their first bout when Marciano scored a one-punch knockout. Many at the time viewed it as a lucky punch. The Jim Norris-led IBC - which controlled boxing at the time - felt they had a star in the young Marciano and they wanted to build him up. Rocky Marciano’s manager, Al Weill, was also conveniently the matchmaker for the IBC. Walcott was one of the IBC’s original fighters. (He signed on when Joe Louis retired.) The rematch was held at Chicago Stadium - the heart of the IBC. (Jim Norris owned Chicago Stadium.) Norris also promoted all the Gillette Friday Night Fights. Marciano-Walcott II aired live on the Friday Night Fights. Eyebrows were raised before the fight when it was announced that Walcott, the challenger, was being paid nearly double ($250,000) than what the champ Marciano would earn. That didn't seem to make sense to anyone. That figure caused even a bigger suspicion when Walcott dove from a punch most didn't see and somehow “missed” the count - getting up a second too late. Thousands of people in the audience began yelling “Fix” almost immediately. I have newspaper reports from the day after where none of the reporters at ringside saw the punch and reported that the crowd was raging -- all chanting fix. Walcott wept in the ring before he left, he was so humiliated.
*second Rocky Marciano-Jersey Joe Walcott was a fixed fight:* Walcott had floored Marciano and was leading on all the cards in their first bout when Marciano scored a one-punch knockout. Many at the time viewed it as a lucky punch. The Jim Norris-led IBC - which controlled boxing at the time - felt they had a star in the young Marciano and they wanted to build him up. Rocky Marciano’s manager, Al Weill, was also conveniently the matchmaker for the IBC. Walcott was one of the IBC’s original fighters. (He signed on when Joe Louis retired.) The rematch was held at Chicago Stadium - the heart of the IBC. (Jim Norris owned Chicago Stadium.) Norris also promoted all the Gillette Friday Night Fights. Marciano-Walcott II aired live on the Friday Night Fights. Eyebrows were raised before the fight when it was announced that Walcott, the challenger, was being paid nearly double ($250,000) than what the champ Marciano would earn. That didn't seem to make sense to anyone. That figure caused even a bigger suspicion when Walcott dove from a punch most didn't see and somehow “missed” the count - getting up a second too late. Thousands of people in the audience began yelling “Fix” almost immediately. I have newspaper reports from the day after where none of the reporters at ringside saw the punch and reported that the crowd was raging -- all chanting fix. Walcott wept in the ring before he left, he was so humiliated.
*second Rocky Marciano-Jersey Joe Walcott was a fixed fight:* Walcott had floored Marciano and was leading on all the cards in their first bout when Marciano scored a one-punch knockout. Many at the time viewed it as a lucky punch. The Jim Norris-led IBC - which controlled boxing at the time - felt they had a star in the young Marciano and they wanted to build him up. Rocky Marciano’s manager, Al Weill, was also conveniently the matchmaker for the IBC. Walcott was one of the IBC’s original fighters. (He signed on when Joe Louis retired.) The rematch was held at Chicago Stadium - the heart of the IBC. (Jim Norris owned Chicago Stadium.) Norris also promoted all the Gillette Friday Night Fights. Marciano-Walcott II aired live on the Friday Night Fights. Eyebrows were raised before the fight when it was announced that Walcott, the challenger, was being paid nearly double ($250,000) than what the champ Marciano would earn. That didn't seem to make sense to anyone. That figure caused even a bigger suspicion when Walcott dove from a punch most didn't see and somehow “missed” the count - getting up a second too late. Thousands of people in the audience began yelling “Fix” almost immediately. I have newspaper reports from the day after where none of the reporters at ringside saw the punch and reported that the crowd was raging -- all chanting fix. Walcott wept in the ring before he left, he was so humiliated.
In Walcott 2, the punch clearly connected. There is video of the punch from a different angle that clearly shows the punch connected on Walcotts chin. As far as the count, I think Walcott had PTSD from the first fight after fighting the fight of his life, giving Rocky everything he had, and still lost. In Walcott 1, after Rocky connected with the knock out punch, Walcott was out for a while. It was the most iconic knock out punch in boxing history. I would not call it a "lucky" punch.
@@jamest681 The only reason Rocky's KO against Walcott was so great is bcz he caught Walcott precisely on the point of his chin which snap-twisted his head around more than 90° cutting oxygen off instantaneously (one in a thousand shot). Little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky catches lightning in a bottle "ONE" time and his fans automatically assume he's the "MOST POWERFUL" puncher that ever lived. His "ENTIRE" legacy has been built around that "ONE KO" against a guy that was 38/39 if not older. Just before Low-Power Journeyman Walcott gets KO'd where are his hands? Both hands are at waist level. Why? Because his reflexes are shot. Father time waits for no one. Besides that "ONE" lucky punch what other great KO's did Rocky have? We can clearly see that little Rocky hit little Cockell, little LaStarza, and little Charles "FULL POWER" hundreds of times yet could not finish them. There's not a single video of him permanently damaging anyone.
@@jamest681 Everyone on planet earth can clearly see with their own eyes that little Rocky's punching power is extremely overrated. He hits his opponents hundreds of times with little to no effect. If little 184 lb Rocky with tiny flyweight reach was all-Powerful why didn't he ever break any bones? He never broke one rib, one nose, one eye-socket, one collar bone, one jaw or detached one retina. If he did i assure you every single Rocky fan on the planet would have been talking about it for decades.
@@jamest681 *C-LEVEL Journeyman Walcott lost to Middleweights Mays ,, Palmer ,, Ketchell ,, and to Light heavyweights Charles x2 ,, Fox x2 ,, Maxim ,, Brothers ,, Taylor.. In summary Walcott consistently lost to Middleweights and Light heavyweights!!! Overall he lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times!!!*
Joe Louis was fighting on memory. He desperately needed the money. Ezzard Charles was an old blown up MW. Rocky had tremendous power and he fought at the right time.
The Sports Illustrated article cited by a couple of commenters here could form the basis for a far better, more interesting film than any of that Stallone "Rocky" junk. Marciano was a figure equally absurd, even farcical, and frightening. Flying around the country in rickety two seaters with a suitcase full of vibrators and a paper bag stuffed with hundred dollar bills- a guy who insisted everybody else pay for his suits, his dinner, his women- but who loaned or invested money in a slapdash, cavalier manner, often forgetting where it went. He's a screenwriter's dream.
*Quotes from Jersey Joe Walcott about Cassius Clay:* *“Cassius Clay is the best heavyweight champion of them all. He could beat Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott.”* Walcott was asked if he realized what he was saying. He nodded and repeated: *“Clay could beat Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott. Clay is too big and punches too fast and moves too quickly for all of us old timers. This kid has speed in his hands and feet like a welterweight.”* Asked to explain in more detail why he rates Clay a sure winner over Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and himself, Jersey Joe lit up a cigarette and said: *“Dempsey and Louis and the rest of us would be too small to beat this big, rangy kid. All of us old-timers needed room to punch. But not Clay. He can hit you from any position and hurt you. He can do this even when he is off balance.”* *“I fought Louis, Charles and Marciano. I know none of these men, or me, could box with Clay. And I know none of us could punch as fast as Cassius. When one punch can take a big man like Liston off his feet, people should realize the agility, coordination and power Clay can put into each and every punch.”* *RING, SEPT. 1965 WALCOTT INSIST ALI WOULD BEAT DEMPSEY, LOUIS, ROCKY, ETC. BY ED BRENNAN* In summary Jersey Joe has been around boxing for a long time and should know what he is talking about...should i believe you, a biased casual, or Jersey Joe ?
There used to be a diner on Mt Ephraim Avenue at the border of Camden NJ and Collingswood. I think it was called the Empire. I was in my early twenties in the early 1970's and all of the old boxers and wrestlers would hang there. Jersey Joe, Joey Giardello, Nature Boy Buddy Graham. There were dozens of them. I would go there for breakfast and always sit as close to them as I could ,just to listen to some of their stories.
@@gianca60 According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength. - Rocky Marciano, Mike Stanton, Johnathan Eig and Fight City *"Marciano admitted he could not beat a prime Louis, Ali and Liston."* - Monte D. Cox Boxing Historian This information is HUGE and settles any debate as to who could beat who!
@@gianca60 *Louis, Walcott, Charles, Moore already had "'409"' fights (Louis 68 Walcott 68 Charles 95 Moore 178) and they'd already been fighting pro for "'74"' years (Louis 17 Walcott 22 Charles 15 Moore 20) before they faced Rocky. There's nothing honorable here. Little Rocky never fought One Prime Topnotch Genuine 200+lbs Heavyweight.*
@@gianca60 *Rocky Marciano ducked Marty Marshall, Harold Johnson, Joey Maxim, Yolande Pompey, Jimmy Bivins, Bob Satterfield, Nino Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Willie Pastrano, Tommy Jackson, Dan Bucceroni, Bob Baker, Cleveland Williams and Ingemar Johansson just to name a few. Don't fight any that could beat us then leave before the young exposes us.*
According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength. - Rocky Marciano, Mike Stanton, Johnathan Eig and Fight City *"Marciano admitted he could not beat a prime Louis, Ali and Liston."* - Monte D. Cox Boxing Historian This information is HUGE and settles any debate as to who could beat who!
Settles any debate?!! Hardly. Any HW fight is one really good shot on the tip of the jaw away from its ending. Marciano had a Helluva punch. Whether he could've landed it in these 3 guys is arguable. But if he does, fight is over. Cooper would've KOd Clay in '63 if Dundee didn't cheat. Liston didn't have a great chin. His best defense was his offense. An older Louis was KOd by Rocky. Would a younger Louis fare better? Probably. But if he got hit with the same shot as a younger guy, result would be the same. Your chin doesn't age. If it did, Foreman would've been KOd by Holyfield....
*It's easy for Rocky fans to discuss Ali's (5) losses and Lennox' (2) losses etcetera but why not discuss the (94) losses Walcott Charles Moore Layne LaStarza had? As a matter of FACT all of Rocky's opponents Combined Lost an Astonishing (753) Times but all's we ever hear is crickets about that.*
*Louis, Walcott, Charles, Moore already had "'409"' fights (Louis 68 Walcott 68 Charles 95 Moore 178) and they'd already been fighting pro for "'74"' years (Louis 17 Walcott 22 Charles 15 Moore 20) before they faced Rocky. There's nothing honorable here. Little Rocky never fought One Prime Topnotch Genuine 200+lbs Heavyweight.*
Ali speculated Marciano to be the one fighter of the past that would have defeated him. But your point remains he came to age with many of the top names past their prime.
@@schmittyhanrahan8126 Ali never respected Rocky. The truth is Ali severely disrespects Rocky and even challenges him to fight but Rocky declines *@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."* "Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs." "By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"* "Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem." *@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco Chapter 10* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano?"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
Affiliate doesn't mean controlled. Just means he knew some of them, It's like me saying. Joe Louis. Sonny Liston and Henry cooper was affiliated with the kray twins. So that is proof the krays controlled their careers,
Marciano boarded a small Cessna 172 with pilot Glenn Belz, and Frank Farrell, the son of Louis Thomas Fratto, born Luigi Tommaso Giuseppe Fratto, also known as "Lew Farrell" and "Cock-eyed", an American labor racketeer and organized crime figure in Chicago, Illinois, and Des Moines, Iowa, from the 1930s to his death in 1967. A massive storm system challenged Belz's relative inexperience (231 hours of total flight time) as the plane flew west from Chicago over Iowa. Trying to land at a small airfield outside Newton, Belz crashed the plane into a tree about two miles short of the intended runway. On August 31, 1969, all aboard, including Marciano, died on impact. It was all Rocky's fault, he pressured the amateur pilot into flying even though he knew they were headed towards severe thunderstorms. Why? What was so important in Des Moines? His business was loansharking and he was in a hurry to collect 35K which is equivalent to 293K today. He was in a hurry because he didn't want to be late to his birthday (Sept. 1st) party the next day in Florida.
Ali never respected Rocky. The truth is Ali severely disrespects Rocky and even challenges him to fight but Rocky declines @ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco - *OR ONLINE @ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano"* - once there, just press on the yellow paragraph inorder to read the entire article.
@@Dempsey1873 The Mob, Sleeping with Thousands of different People, Psychosis and other symptoms Marciano suffered. - *@ THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Aug 23, 1993*
I agree, a top 10 heavyweight. Boxing Scene, Ring Magazine and RingRec all have Rocky at #6 among the greats. Sports Illustrated has him at #8. I think either one is about right.
I agree also, @ 1:00 the guy says, *"Rocky was only about 180 or 185 lbs. If you wanted to match Rocky today he'd have to be matched up against a guy like Bob Foster or Michael Spinks."* He's talking about little light heavyweights, Not Heavyweights.
Depends on where one looks. Cox's Corner has Rocky ranked 14th. There's a hundred different rankings out there. Look for the 2024 rankings and you'll see some places even has Usyk ranked higher than Rocky.
Look..Rocky fought more tomato cans than Campbell's Soup. Was Marciano mobbed up? the mob had influence but the time Rocky fought the division was not at it's height.
I can't stop laughing 😆. "Look...Rocky fought more tomato cans than Campbell's Soup." best comment here.....little Rocky is so overrated that it's laughable and the Marciano family knows it....But they DESPERATELY keep trying to keep him relative.
@@nagone11 Anyone that knows boxing knows his 49-0 was against has-beens and Horseshirt competition. 49-0 against who? Little middleweights and little light heavyweights masquerading as 186 lb Heavyweights lmfao. Today's Heavyweights average 250 lbs. Get a grip on reality dumarse.
@@nagone11 *If you can answer this question about Rocky then I'll give you an opportunity to debate me. My question is why did little 5' 9" Rocky with tiny flyweight reach only weigh 184 lbs when he won his Super Heavyweight title? Please explain why he was so tiny? Answer the question!!! Why so tiny???*
@@dylonmc1733 What I want you to do, is to go over all of Rocky's opponents, look at their records and their overall sizes, and then I'll give you an opportunity to debate me if you've done the proper study.
It's not about how hard his fights were, it's about all the fighters he ducked. Marciano ducked Marty Marshall, Harold Johnson, Joey Maxim, Yolande Pompey, Jimmy Bivins, Bob Satterfield, Nino Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Willie Pastrano, Tommy Jackson, Dan Bucceroni, Bob Baker, Cleveland Williams and Ingemar Johansson just to name a few. Don't fight any that could beat us then leave before the young exposes us.
Ezzard Charles twice. Also rocky haters always every time without fail leave out the fact he himself started at 23 pro at almost 25. U may make the argument "but Ezzard wasn't a real heavyweight" but was rocky?
@@Dempsey1873*Moore only weighed 175 when he won his Huge Light Heavyweight title and low-power Charles only weighed 181 when he won his Huge Super Heavyweight title and overrated Rocky only weighed 184 when he won his Huge Super Heavyweight title. Little Rocky never fought One Prime Topnotch Genuine 200+lbs Heavyweight.*
@@Dempsey1873*Louis, Walcott, Charles, Moore already had "'409"' fights (Louis 68 Walcott 68 Charles 95 Moore 178) and they'd already been fighting pro for "'74"' years (Louis 17 Walcott 22 Charles 15 Moore 20) before they faced Rocky. There's nothing honorable here. Little Rocky never fought One Prime Topnotch Genuine 200+lbs Heavyweight.*
Marciano had been married to the same woman, the former Barbara Cousins, the daughter of a Brockton cop, since Dec. 31, 1950, but the union unraveled long before the decade was done *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* Rocky's tastes ran more to svelte, statuesque blondes, that single glass of wine and smokeless rooms. "He couldn't stand his married life" says Saccone "There was nothing compatible between them." So the mesh included people, such as the late Lindy Ciardelli on the West Coast and Paterniti on the East Coast, whose job was to help feed Marciano's prodigious sexual appetite. "Rock liked girls, know what I mean?" Paterniti says. "Nobody wants me to tell you about it, but Rock was insane about girls; that's all he wanted to do, all the time. He constantly had or-geees night and day. A friend of mine in New York got me and Rocky thousands of girls. Honestly, literally a thousand girls. We had girls every single day and night. I carried a suitcase full of electric massagers and emotion lotion and all kinds of creams and oils." "That a woman be waiting for Rocky was as requisite for his appearance as the folded $100 bills." "If he ever went to some place and there was not a girl waiting for him, he'd never come back," says Santarelli, his underworld pal.
While stationed in England, Marciano and a fellow soldier named James Murphy robbed two Englishmen, brutally beating them up in the process *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug 23 1993.* They were Court-martialed and convicted. Marciano was sentenced to 7 years of hard labour and Murphy 10 years. Marciano was released after 22 months.
For two decades the Marciano's have been trying to remove this article *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug 23 1993* but cannot because it's factual. Many defamation lawsuits have been filed but all failed. Rocky caused his own demise.
Afro-Italians total population 1,096,089. Regions with significant populations Rome, Milan, Turin, Palermo, Bologna, Brescia, Bergamo and Florence. Long long ago African Moors ruled over medieval Italians. I can attest to this from my own DNA. My mother did one of those ancestry DNA tests, and her family is entirely from Sicily. So I, as a descendent of that same Sicilian DNA strand, have a bit of Rocky's bloodline in me as well. He's my second cousin. I am Sicilian Blackamoor Afroitaliani, born and raised in Italy, a citizen of African descent. Rocco Francis Marchegiano is definitely Afro-Italian.
During his retirement speech and during his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show Rocky said, *"I want to spend more time with my family."* Instead, he immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands and left them penniless *@ THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Aug 23 1993*
"His derelictions have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2. Rocco, along with another solider named James Murphy robbed two Englishmen and assaulted them. When questioned, Rocco and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they changed their story. Marchegiano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Rocco however ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Rocco received a dishonorable discharge but was allowed to re-join the army for a fixed 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge. *(What stands out is Rocco's ability to go from Dishonorable to Honorable. I served in the USAF and in all my years I've Never Ever heard of that happening before!!!)*
Marciano would break a payphone clean off the wall just to retrieve his 10 cents even though he had 30K in his pocket...obsessive compulsive personality disorder *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug 23 1993*
There's a huge difference. Sonny Liston owed the Mob lots of money and didn't do what they told him to do. Sonny was supposed to take a dive against Chuck Wepner but obviously refused. On The Other Hand Rocky Marciano Was The Mob!!
I loved Rocky Marciano's response when someone asked him what he was thinking when Walcott knocked him down in their first fight: "Gee, this fellow hits hard. I might have to get up a couple of times before I knock him out."
Muhammad Ali, *"Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard* (unrecognizable) *folks in Africa."*
Cosell, *"But you think you could have beaten him too?"*
Ali, *"Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination."*
Cosell, *"You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."*
Ali, *"Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"*
Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"A prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual "I'm the greatest" after part 6. Why was the most important part removed?
*This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades! Truth is they've removed over 3 hours because it didn't align with their agenda! *The Fact is Ali had a deep seeded dislike for Marciano! Ali knew Marciano was deceased so he Lied when he said Marciano was better than Joe Frazier!* Y'all can order copies *@ Muhammad Ali Archival Television Audio Inc* just go to the *3rd page* to order 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore and Louis.
*"A prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* - Muhammad Ali, 02/15/76
Ali never respected Rocky. The truth is Ali severely disrespects Rocky and even challenges him to fight but Rocky declines *@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."*
"Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs."
"By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"*
"Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem."
*@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco Chapter 10* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano?"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness and some numbness in his limbs as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
"That a woman be waiting for Rocky was as requisite for his appearance as the folded $100 bills. If he ever went to some place and there was not a girl waiting for him, he'd never come back," says Santarelli, his Chicago underworld pal. -@ THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Aug 23 1993
Marciano was on a “no-lose” mission to achieving greatness and he did so by simply out-working and out-conditioning all fighting foes. His work ethic was nothing short of remarkably consistent and disciplined: hours of running, gym work, sparring, push-ups and sit-ups, countless medicine-ball thumps to the gut. Marciano was committed to his training regimen. Rocky is also remembered and honored for his class as an individual, not only his 49-0. He never boasted or ridiculed his opponents. Regardless what others may think, Rocky Marciano was a great champion.
Ali never respected Rocky. The truth is Ali severely disrespects Rocky and even challenges him to fight but Rocky declines *@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."*
"Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs."
"By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"*
"Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem."
*@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco Chapter 10* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano?"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
Muhammad Ali, *"Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard* (unrecognizable) *folks in Africa."*
Cosell, *"But you think you could have beaten him too?"*
Ali, *"Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination."*
Cosell, *"You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."*
Ali, *"Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"*
Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"A prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual "I'm the greatest" after part 6. Why was the most important part removed?
*This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades! Truth is they've removed over 3 hours because it didn't align with their agenda! *The Fact is Ali had a deep seeded dislike for Marciano! Ali knew Marciano was deceased so he Lied when he said Marciano was better than Joe Frazier!* Y'all can order copies *@ Muhammad Ali Archival Television Audio Inc* just go to the *3rd page* to order 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore and Louis.
*"A prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* - Muhammad Ali, 02/15/76
@@Grizzlied2525 no Ali did respect him and even went to Rocky's. Funeral along with Joe Louis,
Actually do some research instead of making things up
@@Grizzlied2525 get a grip
Enormous criminal empires had been built on the supply of illegal liquor during the Prohibition era. Italian Al Capone’s the most infamous among them. When prohibition came to an end in 1933 the Mob needed something new. Access to the machinery of boxing, a wilfully unfettered anarchy proved remarkably easy to acquire. Boxing was now fertile ground for the Mafia. The Italian mob controlled it all, from the trainers and managers to the reporting journalists, with a combination of intimidation and financial backing ensuring everybody the mob wanted was under their control. The entire eastern seaboard was Italian, it was all Italian. Even the commissioner of boxing was Italian.
Hall of Famer Teddy Brenner who later became president of Madison Square Garden Boxing said, “Carbo had his fingers on the throat of boxing. If he did not own a certain fighter he owned the manager. Weill was a boxing politician who held hands with the mob. When Weill was Marciano’s manager he was controlled by Carbo. In May 1949 Weill became the matchmaker for the IBC. That meant Marciano could fight against carefully chosen opponents when and where Weill wanted. When the IBC took over promotion at Madison Square Garden, Brenner returned there to work as assistant matchmaker to Al Weill. Brenner booked preliminary matches at the Garden and cards at St. Nicholas Arena, also in New York. In 1950, Brenner left the IBC, alleging Weill had ordered him to make a match for a fixed fight. Eventually the verdict was damning; 25 years in Alcatraz for Carbo, 15 years in prison for Palermo. Marciano visited both inside their prison cells numerous times." -- written by International Boxing Hall Of Fame
Rocky was a never ending onslaught of cardiovascular brutality. He had a chin that allowed him to exchange and let him set his feet to put guys under. He also had some of the sneakiest footwork and underrated defenses the sport has seen.
Ali never respected Rocky. The truth is Ali severely disrespects Rocky and even challenges him to fight but Rocky declines *@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."*
"Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs."
"By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"*
"Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem."
*@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco Chapter 10* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano?"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
Muhammad Ali, *"Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard* (unrecognizable) *folks in Africa."*
Cosell, *"But you think you could have beaten him too?"*
Ali, *"Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination."*
Cosell, *"You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."*
Ali, *"Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"*
Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"A prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual "I'm the greatest" after part 6. Why was the most important part removed?
*This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades! Truth is they've removed over 3 hours because it didn't align with their agenda! *The Fact is Ali had a deep seeded dislike for Marciano! Ali knew Marciano was deceased so he Lied when he said Marciano was better than Joe Frazier!* Y'all can order copies *@ Muhammad Ali Archival Television Audio Inc* just go to the *3rd page* to order 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore and Louis.
*"A prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* - Muhammad Ali, 02/15/76
It's just the same person with multiple accounts making these comments under every post about rock. Rocky Marciano very seldom got cleanly hit- cus da'mato
@@Dempsey1873 Someone (You) has multiple accounts. You're Scott Hendrix and JackBilly and McConnell and black David Frost
Jake LaMotta said that the most mobbed up heavyweight champ was Joe Walcott. Roland LaStarza was also mobbed up.
Walcott’s manager in Philadelphia was mobbed up. Joe had no control over that if he wanted fights.
*second Rocky Marciano-Jersey Joe Walcott was a fixed fight:*
Walcott had floored Marciano and was leading on all the cards in their first bout when Marciano scored a one-punch knockout. Many at the time viewed it as a lucky punch.
The Jim Norris-led IBC - which controlled boxing at the time - felt they had a star in the young Marciano and they wanted to build him up. Rocky Marciano’s manager, Al Weill, was also conveniently the matchmaker for the IBC. Walcott was one of the IBC’s original fighters. (He signed on when Joe Louis retired.)
The rematch was held at Chicago Stadium - the heart of the IBC. (Jim Norris owned Chicago Stadium.) Norris also promoted all the Gillette Friday Night Fights.
Marciano-Walcott II aired live on the Friday Night Fights. Eyebrows were raised before the fight when it was announced that Walcott, the challenger, was being paid nearly double ($250,000) than what the champ Marciano would earn. That didn't seem to make sense to anyone.
That figure caused even a bigger suspicion when Walcott dove from a punch most didn't see and somehow “missed” the count - getting up a second too late. Thousands of people in the audience began yelling “Fix” almost immediately. I have newspaper reports from the day after where none of the reporters at ringside saw the punch and reported that the crowd was raging -- all chanting fix. Walcott wept in the ring before he left, he was so humiliated.
@@dylonmc1733dude stop posting this over and over. It's all bulls anyway.
*second Rocky Marciano-Jersey Joe Walcott was a fixed fight:*
Walcott had floored Marciano and was leading on all the cards in their first bout when Marciano scored a one-punch knockout. Many at the time viewed it as a lucky punch.
The Jim Norris-led IBC - which controlled boxing at the time - felt they had a star in the young Marciano and they wanted to build him up. Rocky Marciano’s manager, Al Weill, was also conveniently the matchmaker for the IBC. Walcott was one of the IBC’s original fighters. (He signed on when Joe Louis retired.)
The rematch was held at Chicago Stadium - the heart of the IBC. (Jim Norris owned Chicago Stadium.) Norris also promoted all the Gillette Friday Night Fights.
Marciano-Walcott II aired live on the Friday Night Fights. Eyebrows were raised before the fight when it was announced that Walcott, the challenger, was being paid nearly double ($250,000) than what the champ Marciano would earn. That didn't seem to make sense to anyone.
That figure caused even a bigger suspicion when Walcott dove from a punch most didn't see and somehow “missed” the count - getting up a second too late. Thousands of people in the audience began yelling “Fix” almost immediately. I have newspaper reports from the day after where none of the reporters at ringside saw the punch and reported that the crowd was raging -- all chanting fix. Walcott wept in the ring before he left, he was so humiliated.
*second Rocky Marciano-Jersey Joe Walcott was a fixed fight:*
Walcott had floored Marciano and was leading on all the cards in their first bout when Marciano scored a one-punch knockout. Many at the time viewed it as a lucky punch.
The Jim Norris-led IBC - which controlled boxing at the time - felt they had a star in the young Marciano and they wanted to build him up. Rocky Marciano’s manager, Al Weill, was also conveniently the matchmaker for the IBC. Walcott was one of the IBC’s original fighters. (He signed on when Joe Louis retired.)
The rematch was held at Chicago Stadium - the heart of the IBC. (Jim Norris owned Chicago Stadium.) Norris also promoted all the Gillette Friday Night Fights.
Marciano-Walcott II aired live on the Friday Night Fights. Eyebrows were raised before the fight when it was announced that Walcott, the challenger, was being paid nearly double ($250,000) than what the champ Marciano would earn. That didn't seem to make sense to anyone.
That figure caused even a bigger suspicion when Walcott dove from a punch most didn't see and somehow “missed” the count - getting up a second too late. Thousands of people in the audience began yelling “Fix” almost immediately. I have newspaper reports from the day after where none of the reporters at ringside saw the punch and reported that the crowd was raging -- all chanting fix. Walcott wept in the ring before he left, he was so humiliated.
*second Rocky Marciano-Jersey Joe Walcott was a fixed fight:*
Walcott had floored Marciano and was leading on all the cards in their first bout when Marciano scored a one-punch knockout. Many at the time viewed it as a lucky punch.
The Jim Norris-led IBC - which controlled boxing at the time - felt they had a star in the young Marciano and they wanted to build him up. Rocky Marciano’s manager, Al Weill, was also conveniently the matchmaker for the IBC. Walcott was one of the IBC’s original fighters. (He signed on when Joe Louis retired.)
The rematch was held at Chicago Stadium - the heart of the IBC. (Jim Norris owned Chicago Stadium.) Norris also promoted all the Gillette Friday Night Fights.
Marciano-Walcott II aired live on the Friday Night Fights. Eyebrows were raised before the fight when it was announced that Walcott, the challenger, was being paid nearly double ($250,000) than what the champ Marciano would earn. That didn't seem to make sense to anyone.
That figure caused even a bigger suspicion when Walcott dove from a punch most didn't see and somehow “missed” the count - getting up a second too late. Thousands of people in the audience began yelling “Fix” almost immediately. I have newspaper reports from the day after where none of the reporters at ringside saw the punch and reported that the crowd was raging -- all chanting fix. Walcott wept in the ring before he left, he was so humiliated.
In Walcott 2, the punch clearly connected. There is video of the punch from a different angle that clearly shows the punch connected on Walcotts chin. As far as the count, I think Walcott had PTSD from the first fight after fighting the fight of his life, giving Rocky everything he had, and still lost. In Walcott 1, after Rocky connected with the knock out punch, Walcott was out for a while. It was the most iconic knock out punch in boxing history. I would not call it a "lucky" punch.
@@jamest681 The only reason Rocky's KO against Walcott was so great is bcz he caught Walcott precisely on the point of his chin which snap-twisted his head around more than 90° cutting oxygen off instantaneously (one in a thousand shot). Little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky catches lightning in a bottle "ONE" time and his fans automatically assume he's the "MOST POWERFUL" puncher that ever lived. His "ENTIRE" legacy has been built around that "ONE KO" against a guy that was 38/39 if not older.
Just before Low-Power Journeyman Walcott gets KO'd where are his hands? Both hands are at waist level. Why? Because his reflexes are shot. Father time waits for no one. Besides that "ONE" lucky punch what other great KO's did Rocky have?
We can clearly see that little Rocky hit little Cockell, little LaStarza, and little Charles "FULL POWER" hundreds of times yet could not finish them. There's not a single video of him permanently damaging anyone.
@@jamest681 Everyone on planet earth can clearly see with their own eyes that little Rocky's punching power is extremely overrated. He hits his opponents hundreds of times with little to no effect. If little 184 lb Rocky with tiny flyweight reach was all-Powerful why didn't he ever break any bones? He never broke one rib, one nose, one eye-socket, one collar bone, one jaw or detached one retina. If he did i assure you every single Rocky fan on the planet would have been talking about it for decades.
@@jamest681 *C-LEVEL Journeyman Walcott lost to Middleweights Mays ,, Palmer ,, Ketchell ,, and to Light heavyweights Charles x2 ,, Fox x2 ,, Maxim ,, Brothers ,, Taylor.. In summary Walcott consistently lost to Middleweights and Light heavyweights!!! Overall he lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times!!!*
@@Stout_Krout Rocky just ended careers.
Joe Louis was fighting on memory. He desperately needed the money. Ezzard Charles was an old blown up MW. Rocky had tremendous power and he fought at the right time.
The Mob, Sleeping with Thousands of different People, Psychosis and other symptoms Marciano suffered. - *@ THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Aug 23, 1993*
The Sports Illustrated article cited by a couple of commenters here could form the basis for a far better, more interesting film than any of that Stallone "Rocky" junk. Marciano was a figure equally absurd, even farcical, and frightening. Flying around the country in rickety two seaters with a suitcase full of vibrators and a paper bag stuffed with hundred dollar bills- a guy who insisted everybody else pay for his suits, his dinner, his women- but who loaned or invested money in a slapdash, cavalier manner, often forgetting where it went. He's a screenwriter's dream.
*Quotes from Jersey Joe Walcott about Cassius Clay:*
*“Cassius Clay is the best heavyweight champion of them all. He could beat Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott.”*
Walcott was asked if he realized what he was saying. He nodded and repeated:
*“Clay could beat Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott. Clay is too big and punches too fast and moves too quickly for all of us old timers. This kid has speed in his hands and feet like a welterweight.”*
Asked to explain in more detail why he rates Clay a sure winner over Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and himself, Jersey Joe lit up a cigarette and said:
*“Dempsey and Louis and the rest of us would be too small to beat this big, rangy kid. All of us old-timers needed room to punch. But not Clay. He can hit you from any position and hurt you. He can do this even when he is off balance.”*
*“I fought Louis, Charles and Marciano. I know none of these men, or me, could box with Clay. And I know none of us could punch as fast as Cassius. When one punch can take a big man like Liston off his feet, people should realize the agility, coordination and power Clay can put into each and every punch.”*
*RING, SEPT. 1965 WALCOTT INSIST ALI WOULD BEAT DEMPSEY, LOUIS, ROCKY, ETC. BY ED BRENNAN*
In summary Jersey Joe has been around boxing for a long time and should know what he is talking about...should i believe you, a biased casual, or Jersey Joe ?
There used to be a diner on Mt Ephraim Avenue at the border of Camden NJ and Collingswood. I think it was called the Empire. I was in my early twenties in the early 1970's and all of the old boxers and wrestlers would hang there. Jersey Joe, Joey Giardello, Nature Boy Buddy Graham. There were dozens of them. I would go there for breakfast and always sit as close to them as I could ,just to listen to some of their stories.
Joe Louis said no way Ali could beat him. So? Wasn't Louis a better fight than Walcott?
@@gianca60 According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength. - Rocky Marciano, Mike Stanton, Johnathan Eig and Fight City
*"Marciano admitted he could not beat a prime Louis, Ali and Liston."* - Monte D. Cox Boxing Historian
This information is HUGE and settles any debate as to who could beat who!
@@gianca60 *Louis, Walcott, Charles, Moore already had "'409"' fights (Louis 68 Walcott 68 Charles 95 Moore 178) and they'd already been fighting pro for "'74"' years (Louis 17 Walcott 22 Charles 15 Moore 20) before they faced Rocky. There's nothing honorable here. Little Rocky never fought One Prime Topnotch Genuine 200+lbs Heavyweight.*
@@gianca60 *Rocky Marciano ducked Marty Marshall, Harold Johnson, Joey Maxim, Yolande Pompey, Jimmy Bivins, Bob Satterfield, Nino Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Willie Pastrano, Tommy Jackson, Dan Bucceroni, Bob Baker, Cleveland Williams and Ingemar Johansson just to name a few. Don't fight any that could beat us then leave before the young exposes us.*
According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength. - Rocky Marciano, Mike Stanton, Johnathan Eig and Fight City
*"Marciano admitted he could not beat a prime Louis, Ali and Liston."* - Monte D. Cox Boxing Historian
This information is HUGE and settles any debate as to who could beat who!
Settles any debate?!! Hardly. Any HW fight is one really good shot on the tip of the jaw away from its ending. Marciano had a Helluva punch. Whether he could've landed it in these 3 guys is arguable. But if he does, fight is over. Cooper would've KOd Clay in '63 if Dundee didn't cheat. Liston didn't have a great chin. His best defense was his offense. An older Louis was KOd by Rocky. Would a younger Louis fare better? Probably. But if he got hit with the same shot as a younger guy, result would be the same. Your chin doesn't age. If it did, Foreman would've been KOd by Holyfield....
*It's easy for Rocky fans to discuss Ali's (5) losses and Lennox' (2) losses etcetera but why not discuss the (94) losses Walcott Charles Moore Layne LaStarza had? As a matter of FACT all of Rocky's opponents Combined Lost an Astonishing (753) Times but all's we ever hear is crickets about that.*
*Louis, Walcott, Charles, Moore already had "'409"' fights (Louis 68 Walcott 68 Charles 95 Moore 178) and they'd already been fighting pro for "'74"' years (Louis 17 Walcott 22 Charles 15 Moore 20) before they faced Rocky. There's nothing honorable here. Little Rocky never fought One Prime Topnotch Genuine 200+lbs Heavyweight.*
Ali speculated Marciano to be the one fighter of the past that would have defeated him. But your point remains he came to age with many of the top names past their prime.
@@schmittyhanrahan8126 Ali never respected Rocky. The truth is Ali severely disrespects Rocky and even challenges him to fight but Rocky declines *@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."*
"Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs."
"By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"*
"Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem."
*@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco Chapter 10* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano?"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
@@Grizzlied2525
With these sources you are starting to persuade me toward your side of the argument. I will be sure to read them - thx for the info.
OF COURSE THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT ROCKY WAS AFFILIATED WITH THE MOB. It's all right here *@ THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Aug 23, 1993*
Affiliate doesn't mean controlled. Just means he knew some of them,
It's like me saying. Joe Louis. Sonny Liston and Henry cooper was affiliated with the kray twins. So that is proof the krays controlled their careers,
There is absolutely zero proof till this day rocks career has any involvement with the mob. Zero
@@Dempsey1873 Read the article, there's plenty of proof hater
Anyone who knows boxing knows Marciano's fights were on the level. Just watch and see for yourself.
Marciano boarded a small Cessna 172 with pilot Glenn Belz, and Frank Farrell, the son of Louis Thomas Fratto, born Luigi Tommaso Giuseppe Fratto, also known as "Lew Farrell" and "Cock-eyed", an American labor racketeer and organized crime figure in Chicago, Illinois, and Des Moines, Iowa, from the 1930s to his death in 1967. A massive storm system challenged Belz's relative inexperience (231 hours of total flight time) as the plane flew west from Chicago over Iowa. Trying to land at a small airfield outside Newton, Belz crashed the plane into a tree about two miles short of the intended runway. On August 31, 1969, all aboard, including Marciano, died on impact. It was all Rocky's fault, he pressured the amateur pilot into flying even though he knew they were headed towards severe thunderstorms. Why? What was so important in Des Moines? His business was loansharking and he was in a hurry to collect 35K which is equivalent to 293K today. He was in a hurry because he didn't want to be late to his birthday (Sept. 1st) party the next day in Florida.
Ali never respected Rocky. The truth is Ali severely disrespects Rocky and even challenges him to fight but Rocky declines @ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco - *OR ONLINE @ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano"* - once there, just press on the yellow paragraph inorder to read the entire article.
All fighters were
There's absolutely zero proof till this day he has any involvement throughout his career
@Dempsey1873 that's stupid they controlled all of boxing
@@Dempsey1873 The Mob, Sleeping with Thousands of different People, Psychosis and other symptoms Marciano suffered. - *@ THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Aug 23, 1993*
I agree, a top 10 heavyweight. Boxing Scene, Ring Magazine and RingRec all have Rocky at #6 among the greats. Sports Illustrated has him at #8. I think either one is about right.
I agree also, @ 1:00 the guy says, *"Rocky was only about 180 or 185 lbs. If you wanted to match Rocky today he'd have to be matched up against a guy like Bob Foster or Michael Spinks."* He's talking about little light heavyweights, Not Heavyweights.
Depends on where one looks. Cox's Corner has Rocky ranked 14th. There's a hundred different rankings out there. Look for the 2024 rankings and you'll see some places even has Usyk ranked higher than Rocky.
He was a good fighter in his time
He died in a plane crash with Louis Fratto’s son Frank. Maybe not a red flag.
What about MOB involvement in the WWE or as it was back then the WWWF OR WWF .I e heard something about maybe Chin had some interest ..
Look..Rocky fought more tomato cans than Campbell's Soup. Was Marciano mobbed up? the mob had influence but the time Rocky fought the division was not at it's height.
I can't stop laughing 😆. "Look...Rocky fought more tomato cans than Campbell's Soup." best comment here.....little Rocky is so overrated that it's laughable and the Marciano family knows it....But they DESPERATELY keep trying to keep him relative.
@@dylonmc1733 Rocky had the best record but..he certainly was not the best heavyweight champion.
@@nagone11 Anyone that knows boxing knows his 49-0 was against has-beens and Horseshirt competition. 49-0 against who? Little middleweights and little light heavyweights masquerading as 186 lb Heavyweights lmfao. Today's Heavyweights average 250 lbs. Get a grip on reality dumarse.
@@nagone11 *If you can answer this question about Rocky then I'll give you an opportunity to debate me. My question is why did little 5' 9" Rocky with tiny flyweight reach only weigh 184 lbs when he won his Super Heavyweight title? Please explain why he was so tiny? Answer the question!!! Why so tiny???*
@@dylonmc1733 What I want you to do, is to go over all of Rocky's opponents, look at their records and their overall sizes, and then I'll give you an opportunity to debate me if you've done the proper study.
If he was he sure had hard fights
It's not about how hard his fights were, it's about all the fighters he ducked. Marciano ducked Marty Marshall, Harold Johnson, Joey Maxim, Yolande Pompey, Jimmy Bivins, Bob Satterfield, Nino Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Willie Pastrano, Tommy Jackson, Dan Bucceroni, Bob Baker, Cleveland Williams and Ingemar Johansson just to name a few. Don't fight any that could beat us then leave before the young exposes us.
Since when did evidence matter to squash a good conspiracy theory, sheesh!
He didn't fight anyone important in their primes
Ezzard Charles twice. Also rocky haters always every time without fail leave out the fact he himself started at 23 pro at almost 25. U may make the argument "but Ezzard wasn't a real heavyweight" but was rocky?
@Dempsey1873 who?
@@Dempsey1873*Moore only weighed 175 when he won his Huge Light Heavyweight title and low-power Charles only weighed 181 when he won his Huge Super Heavyweight title and overrated Rocky only weighed 184 when he won his Huge Super Heavyweight title. Little Rocky never fought One Prime Topnotch Genuine 200+lbs Heavyweight.*
@@Dempsey1873*Louis, Walcott, Charles, Moore already had "'409"' fights (Louis 68 Walcott 68 Charles 95 Moore 178) and they'd already been fighting pro for "'74"' years (Louis 17 Walcott 22 Charles 15 Moore 20) before they faced Rocky. There's nothing honorable here. Little Rocky never fought One Prime Topnotch Genuine 200+lbs Heavyweight.*
"It's hard to say, it's very inconclusive" ... says it all. This is just another BS video end of story.
The Mob, Sleeping with Thousands of different People, Psychosis and other symptoms Marciano suffered. - *@ THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Aug 23, 1993*
Marciano had been married to the same woman, the former Barbara Cousins, the daughter of a Brockton cop, since Dec. 31, 1950, but the union unraveled long before the decade was done *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* Rocky's tastes ran more to svelte, statuesque blondes, that single glass of wine and smokeless rooms. "He couldn't stand his married life" says Saccone "There was nothing compatible between them." So the mesh included people, such as the late Lindy Ciardelli on the West Coast and Paterniti on the East Coast, whose job was to help feed Marciano's prodigious sexual appetite. "Rock liked girls, know what I mean?" Paterniti says. "Nobody wants me to tell you about it, but Rock was insane about girls; that's all he wanted to do, all the time. He constantly had or-geees night and day. A friend of mine in New York got me and Rocky thousands of girls. Honestly, literally a thousand girls. We had girls every single day and night. I carried a suitcase full of electric massagers and emotion lotion and all kinds of creams and oils." "That a woman be waiting for Rocky was as requisite for his appearance as the folded $100 bills." "If he ever went to some place and there was not a girl waiting for him, he'd never come back," says Santarelli, his underworld pal.
While stationed in England, Marciano and a fellow soldier named James Murphy robbed two Englishmen, brutally beating them up in the process *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug 23 1993.* They were Court-martialed and convicted. Marciano was sentenced to 7 years of hard labour and Murphy 10 years. Marciano was released after 22 months.
For two decades the Marciano's have been trying to remove this article *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug 23 1993* but cannot because it's factual. Many defamation lawsuits have been filed but all failed. Rocky caused his own demise.
Afro-Italians total population 1,096,089. Regions with significant populations Rome, Milan, Turin, Palermo, Bologna, Brescia, Bergamo and Florence. Long long ago African Moors ruled over medieval Italians. I can attest to this from my own DNA. My mother did one of those ancestry DNA tests, and her family is entirely from Sicily. So I, as a descendent of that same Sicilian DNA strand, have a bit of Rocky's bloodline in me as well. He's my second cousin. I am Sicilian Blackamoor Afroitaliani, born and raised in Italy, a citizen of African descent. Rocco Francis Marchegiano is definitely Afro-Italian.
During his retirement speech and during his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show Rocky said, *"I want to spend more time with my family."* Instead, he immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands and left them penniless *@ THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Aug 23 1993*
"His derelictions have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell
July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England
Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2.
Rocco, along with another solider named James Murphy robbed two Englishmen and assaulted them. When questioned, Rocco and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they changed their story.
Marchegiano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Rocco however ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Rocco received a dishonorable discharge but was allowed to re-join the army for a fixed 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge.
*(What stands out is Rocco's ability to go from Dishonorable to Honorable. I served in the USAF and in all my years I've Never Ever heard of that happening before!!!)*
Marciano would break a payphone clean off the wall just to retrieve his 10 cents even though he had 30K in his pocket...obsessive compulsive personality disorder *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug 23 1993*
There was no mafia, just rules. That's it ! I'm clamming up !
Was he any more under Mob control than than Sonny Liaton or anybody else?
There's a huge difference. Sonny Liston owed the Mob lots of money and didn't do what they told him to do. Sonny was supposed to take a dive against Chuck Wepner but obviously refused. On The Other Hand Rocky Marciano Was The Mob!!