Pro Photographer Reacts To The The Sepia Bride | Wedding Photographers Beware Of Bridezillas
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- Bridezillas are so common these days. In this video I will be going over the Sepia Bride or Sepia Photographer in what has been trending on Tik Tok. It is being called Sepia Gate
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I actually went through the photogs Instagram BEFORE I watched this video. One of the things I noticed is she applies that same look to A LOT of her photos. You can see it in the bushes and trees and other green foliage. So when the bride showed the image she was given by the photog and the "Natural" edit that she (the bride) did, I felt at that moment that she clearly hired the wrong photographer but got the images she paid for if she indeed looked at the photogs Instagram and loved her style, because that is exactly what she got.
@@ricb4195 Agreed…she actually showed her hand when she gave up the RAW files, it was clear that little to no editing was done outside of the presets, that’s why she had the edits that had her with Racoon 🦝 eyes 👀. She was suppose to lift the shadows in that edit, but when all you’re doing is applying a preset, that’s what you’ll get every time…
I put this exact clause in my contracts! That states the client viewed my style and is very satisfied
The client not only saw her photos on Instagram, but she was also sent a gallery of photos by the photographer; so that she could see the style.
spot on.
@@russellwright9961 She delivered 2000 photos! If I delivered that many photos, I would also apply a preset and do little to no editing except for a few select shots.
I am a advanced non-pro wildlife/bird/landscape photographer. I've had people ask me to do weddings b/c I take really nice photos of birds/animals/landscapes. I did one b/c the bride literally had no money. I helped w/one when I showed up in Tanzania for a destination wedding w/my photogear for wildlife in tow. The bride asked me spur of the moment if I could also take some photos at the wedding. I explained to her that I didn't have the best lenses with me & that people photographer isn't something I do well. She was fine w/me just adding to the photos available from the day. She was happy to have them. The wedding venue was a lighting nightmare - dark sanctuary w/amber glass. The 3rd and last time was for a wedding that was spur of the moment. The setting was in a tent in a backyard, in early Feb, during a driving rainstorm. I live 5 hours away. Again dire lighting circumstances. I don't do flash, and I explained I didn't have those tools when I agreed to help with this. I do have the 24-70mm f/2.8 L/70-200mm f/2.8 L-series lenses. I opted for shallow depth of field, high ISO (as high as 25000) to at least get a shutter speed to achieve one of the brides in focus at any given time - which I succeeded in doing. Not to mention I had such limited space to work with (8x10' area for the ceremony space, the rest packed w/chairs, so lots of heads, legs etc in the way). Nightmare. I didn't charge them of course, b/c I'm not a pro - I was doing them a favor on short notice. They basically cut off the friendship b/c they were not happy with the results. A friend who is a wedding photographer said I should have said NO. The circumstances I was presented w/was impossible to shoot, and that I had solved the problems the best I could have with my choices at the time. She said that she has restaged 'weddings' in such scenarios. I will never ever ever do another wedding 'as a favor' or paid. Ever. Moral of the story - just say no.
I've done weddings few times as a last moment favor to family members/friends as their bookend one cancelled last minute due to illness, so it was either phone photos or at least something - couples were happy with the photos, I was not. I'm an event/concert photographer, I prefer documentary approach where I don't have to pose anyone and go with the flow. Recently I had a person asking me to do 'not so ordinary wedding' shoot and I told them no straight away, not that I don't have the right gear or fast primes, but because it will be in some dark and poorly lit area, with dark clothing, awkward to light even with multiple flashes (which would annoy everyone) and chances of things going very sideways very high - not worth it
@@NTKJ909 I wasn't local to the wedding so I didn't have an opportunity to see the venue until I arrived. I was like...Yikes! when I saw the conditions & the confined space. Live and learn.
Bride left out alot....
*She paid 8k because it was a multi-day-destination wedding
*She received 2000 photos for that 8k...how can the photographer individually edit 2000 images?! Of course you need a preset.
*Bride got 7-10 raws for free
*Bride said she wouldn't share raws... She shared it during this think tok
*Bride threatened to blast photographer social media if she didn't give the raws.
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Well, if you get paid 8k for 2000 photos, as you say, then she should have done it individually. If you use preset and don’t even check photos after then you should not get paid that much wtf
@@Karinavas.lyubit May by 300-500 photos, but not 2000
As a photographer, I do a couple quick edits and let the client see the editing style that I am going to use for the set. I ask them for their input and if they want anything adjusted before I edit the entire lot. By doing that, I have avoided having any issues with clients and the edits. Being dynamic and flexible in editing styles is what I consider being a “professional photographer.” If you are a one trick pony, or a preset warrior I don’t believe you should be charging premium rates 🤷🏽. I know a lot of self entitled ppl will not agree.
@@visionz_n_media Yep, this is my exact reason for doing quick edits…
@@visionz_n_media Couldn’t have said it better myself 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
That wouldn’t have mattered in this case because it took the bride 30 days after initially liking the photos to decide she didn’t like them. 30 days!
Also, someone not agreeing with you doesn’t mean they’re self entitled. For me, it’s up to everyone to run their business how they see fit. There are certain ways I believe things should be done, but that’s for me. To each their own.
Being flexible in a style means that a client looks at your website and there's no consistency, how professional.
@@box4lioyou’re making an assumption she was happy for 30 days and then all of a sudden on day 31 she wasn’t happy. Often people are trying to decide if they can live with it, which is why most stores give a return window. So I think you’re reaching here. But your second point
You’re right on it’s her business and she’s entitled to handle it how she wants. However, it’s also the clients
Right to be unhappy with the product and how the photographer handled it. At the end the photographer must have thought it was worth it to handle it how
She did and is willing to deal with the consequences. I hope it works out for
Her in the end.
lol. It only took me doing one wedding photography job a decade ago to know I will never do a wedding photography job in my life ever again.
Same!!! The stress isn’t worth it!!
Same here.
I've said this for years... And whats crazy is i just did a wedding yesterday... and although it is a lot of stress.. that moneyyyyyyyy.... the moneyyyyyyyyy makes it worth it lol im about to turn into a wedding photographer lol probably take 10 years off my life but the money!!! lol
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@@RyanTroy 😂😂😂It can be stressful, but at the end of the day, I’ve been able to handle it, and the moneyyyyyy💰 like you mentioned. During wedding season, you can easily make $50K or more…
Whenever I shoot weddings I do very minimal color grading. I aim to keep it as natural as possible
I do as well. i like to make colors have a little pop thats already there but i dont like changing natural colors or over saturating
and that's fine. But this photographer has her own style. Clients choose her based on her style. If these whining clients want a natural look, why the fuck are they choosing this photography style? I mean, like, WTF?
@@davepasternyes agree!👏🏽👏🏽
Little did this bride know, her computer was in "night" mode, changing all the colors. wa-ha-ha-ha....
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My Mom was a wedding photographer in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s, and you're absolutely right that prints were always ordered from the photographer. She would provide a book of photos they could order from and never gave them the negatives. We're spoiled now in the digital era.The photographer owns the photos, they aren't being held hostage. I do think the photographer did some poor editing though. It's a 70/30 situation (bride more in the wrong), in my opinion. Expecting raw photos for $1000 is insane. Giving your client photos with super dark eyes and yellow teeth (when their teeth are white) is also insane.
I don't think 30 days after a wedding is a long time, especially since you're still tying up loose ends, coming back from the honeymoon, going back to work, going through gifts, and just settling back into normal life. I moved right after my wedding and it took me a month or two to really feel normal again. Plus, I was going through the huge hassle of doing a name change.
absolutely i don't think 30 days is that much, yes the bride was mostly in the wrong but the racoon eyes and teeth... come on
30 days then crying lost me 😂
@@DPhotos righttttt lol
@@RyanTroy Ryan as you mentioned, I think someone pointed it out to her, otherwise she was loving ‘em on that ‘Just Got Married’ high…
Yup
trying to dodge paying the photographer no doubt.
For me, I think both parties handled this the wrong way. The bride should have known she wasn't going to get a true to color edit. It's clear from the photographer's page that the photos are going to be color graded to be heavy on the warm tones. So she shouldn't be outraged that her photos weren't true to life. But I do think the edits are slightly off. I get having your own personal style, but your presets aren't going to work on every lighting situation. A few tweaks would have made these much better while keeping true to her style. I personally would also pay close attention to the formal bride and groom portraits, because those really need to be top notch. I'm not going to do much work on family portraits amd other candids because those really only go into the wesding book to never be seen again. But the bridal portraits are probably going to get printed and hung on a wall. I do agree with the bride that the one image had raccoon eyes going on, which is a pretty easy fix that should have been done for that kind of photo. Again, I'm not doing that for all the hundreds of candids. But that was a bridal portrait, so it should have been fixed. However, this whole situation should have been handled privately. Putting someone on blast because they more or less did exactly as expected is ridiculous. Like, just admit that you changed your mind on the style you wanted, pay for the raws, and edit away.
agreed! do you think the photographer should sue the client for how big they made this situation?
@@susanb.8285 Whole-heartedly agree! The Racoon 🦝 eyes edit was ridiculous! There is no way you deliver that photo to your client!
@@RyanTroy I don’t think so, the photog has so much wrong in this, there’s a huge lesson to be learned for her, IMO…
Both have something to learn from this going forward. While if it were me I would not offer the raws but I would at least try to edit the couples portraits and since portraits that she delivered and re-edit to a closer balance and have the bride sign off on that’s what she wanted. And charge the couple to make those changes as she hired that photographer based on her style. So she should pay for those select re edits and remove any comments she made. Lots of missed communication and now I’m wondering if there was a contract. You were spot on with your thoughts my friend. 30 days!!! Plz.
@@RyanTroyThat’ll depend of the contract they signed.
Because if the contract states that the client is familiar with the photographer style, that understands that the edits are not subject to modification or change of style etc.. then yes, I would say that the photographer could sue the bride.
I wonder if this whole situation has damaged her sales or increase them for the exposure.
This was clearly a case of buyers remorse after the bride did not do her research. She very clearly wanted a true to life type of edit and instead she saw something trendy or popular and thought it looked nice but she signed the contract I'm going to assume without reading it. I think the photographer went above and beyond because personally I would never give the raws out. The bride should have just left a bad review even though I think its unwarranted because again she did that to herself by not doing her research and getting a photographer who's style was what she wanted.
agreed!
why should the photographer get a bad review? They did their job. They had an established style. If the client didn't like that style, why the hell did they hire this photographer?
I think you have a very level-headed assessment. It’s scary-too scary-to be a wedding photographer. There are some clients out there who will be impossible to please. On the flip side, I will feel terrible if I don’t do a stellar job of it. Clients should be careful choosing their photographer. Get references. And if you’re a photographer batch processing with a preset and nothing more, do BETTER!
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As a wedding photographer, I understand both sides of this, but what really bothers me is the post editing that the photographer chose. It looks like the White Balance was changed to Cloudy or Shade during post because all of the edits have a warm tint to them when using those White Balances. The SOOC RAW files actually looked really good, however, as this video implies, a preset was applied and does not depict true skin tone and environment colors. Early in my days I used presets and the like to help my editing, but I grew to not like it and really honed on editing with a style that is true to life. If this photographer want to do weddings long term, then her choice of editing will need to change because this won’t be the last unhappy bride!
Yeah they do that "boho" editing style but i hate the way that looks. it is a very lazy way of editing
yes the lack of whites in the dress and in her teeth is something that I understand why the bride would be unsatified with the look, plus she's a MUA so her eye is as good as ours in terms of picking up color tones and being particular in how she looks
@@iunderstanphotography2780 Exactly! As a photographer, it’s your choice if you use presets, but you have to have common sense after editing and realize the teeth aren’t white and the white dress has a tint, etc.. Editing weddings is no cake walk, but this is the result when you try to make it one…IMO…
She's charging 8k+ per wedding. Not at all the style I'd use or like, but she's doing plenty fine for herself. If you're really in the industry, you should understand that there's a huge range of niches in wedding photo/video, and it's much, much better to excel or be consistent in one area than being vanilla or trying to please everyone. That's the difference between someone who dabbles for 1-2 years and someone that's made it a career. People ripping on the sepia/boho grading don't get it or don't really have experience in the industry-we can hate it, but some brides love it and want that precise look. The most important thing is being consistent, with a clearly defined style.
In this case, the bride looked at the photographer's IG, saw full galleries, and should have known exactly what she was getting. It'd be like hiring a cinematic wedding film maker for your wedding and then getting mad that they were directing or asking for redo's. If you support this bride as a vendor, then I hope that karma is returned to you in-kind 100x :)
The issue is simply miscommunication on both sides
How did the photographer miscommunicate? She showed the bride full galleries of other weddings she photographed and the Bride booked her and she received what she ordered which was golden color graded photos from a Wedding photographer in which that is their style.
Problem with lots of photographers these days I think is that they are more artist than entrepreneurs. To me I don’t think the bride’s requests are unreasonable it’s always good to meet them half way or try to do your best you’d actually learn a thing or two based on customer feedback and don’t take criticism too personally. Basically the photographer is just too stuck up or stubborn to even do anything to help the bride be less emotional than she needs to be. Just learn how to edit better and move on to the next client. To me at least.
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That, that's what's wrong.
The bride was not a bridezilla here. She paid a lot of money for the service, the photographer obviously takes photos in a specific style, but let's agree that specific colors look better or worse depending on the surroundings, lighting and clothes. The couple asked the photographer to re-edit some of their photos and they paid extra for it (which is understandable), but the photographer didn't even ask if they would be happy with the colors she was currently doing. So the couple ended up having to spend more money on more photos they don't like. It would be enough to take one photo in 2/3 versions and ask them what they like better - there would be no problem and no drama.
Additionally, you can see on the photographer's IG that different colors are visible - blue, green, pink. Everything about the bride is orange. The photographer's other photos, if you look at people's smiles, people have white teeth and this bride... well, everything is orange.
disagree, the bride should have done her research. Its very clear she wanted a true to life edit but saw something trendy on instagram and was like "ohh I want that" the takeaway here is do your research and find the photographer that works best for you and not because they are popular
Can't go to McDonalds and ask for an In & Burger, just like you can't go to a Wolfgang Puck restaurant and ask for Gordan Ramsey menu. Not only did this bride get what she paid for, but she also described most of the photos as beautiful. One pays for a photographer's time and expertise, more than they pay for anything else.
@@zachmleczek but the bride did research, the photos from the engagement session looked different in terms of colors than those from the wedding. You can make warm tones, orange shadows and still have other colors in your photos. This was missing in the wedding photos. The photos on this photographer's social media are warm, some of them look orange (but not all), but in each of them you can see the colors despite the fact that they are so warm - in this particular pair, everything was orange. The photographer caught beautiful shots, but post-production failed and then communication failed.
EVEN IF the photographer actually did exactly what she shows in the portfolio, she still agreed to take the extra money to edit the photos differently.
@@anthonyk27 Your analogy is bad. It's like going to MC Donald's, ordering a sandwich and expecting to get what's on the menu, but what you get is with extra onion that you didn't ask for. You supposedly knew there was onion in this sandwich, but you didn't expect to only smell onions.
The photographer's photos are warm, she has a beautiful portfolio, but you can also see other colors in them, her teeth are not orange. You can see blue, green (not green turned into orange), purple, pink. Wedding dresses are white, not orange.
If I were that bride, I would be very unhappy if I received photos like this after seeing a portfolio like this.
I will also add that I am a professional photographer myself ;) so as not to say that I don't know anything.
@@AmadeAmaya The reason the tones are more one-note is precisely because it's overcast--but the editing is 100% consistent to her style, which clearly starts from a preset. You can argue that she should tweak from that, which she probably did, but once you deviate from it too much, it becomes not at all what she was originally hired to do. The fact the bride came back with an edit in a COMPLETELY different style is wild and purely insulting. You have no idea how insane that really is unless you're in the industry. If you actually care to research it, watch the photographer's side on the Vendor's Table pod, not this plastic, clout-seeking, awful bride-zilla that's going to be divorced in a couple years. Also, if you know anything about that market, let's just say there's more than a couple vendors that passed on working with this bride.
Not a fan at all of sepia-grading, but this photographer is clearly well-established, and people pay her PRECISELY for what shes does. I can almost guarantee you that anyone ripping the photographer hasn't achieved near the kind of wedding photography success to be charging 8k+ per wedding. You only reach that level by being consistent in your work and product. She 1000% fulfilled the terms of her contract and should sue the hell out of that bride for defamation. Hello 2017 precedent.
My contract has an Artistic Expression clause and (I understand this is a personal choice but) I also have the cost and stipulations if a client wants to purchase RAWs. I’d much rather sell the RAWs than go viral for this 😩
lol photographer said 4k for the raws.. do you feel like that was wrong?
@@RyanTroyno because that’s her price and what she thinks her worth are. Who’s anyone to say otherwise
@@HawkiiPhotography Right!
@@RyanTroy 4k is a little steep 😅… but at the same time that’s what I love about art - the artist decides the value
@@RyanTroygood price!
1. the bride knew what she was getting. She selected this photographer because of their style. I have no sympathy for her. Sorry, not sorry.
2. photographer should NEVER share a RAW file with a client. EVER. Your reputation is on the line. This client's "edits" and bad mouthing prove this shit. No thank you.
3. $10 that she's divorced within 3 years and was a nightmare to be married to. Can spot this type of woman from a mile away and I run like fucking hell from shit like this.
3. Is completely unnecessary and nasty.
@@pearlosibu don’t really give a shit what you think
@@davepastern good thing your parasitic skepticism doesn't matter in her life either. get a fucking life.
I actually agree with the bride. All the photographer had to do was setup a in person session and go over a few pictures. Ask her what she is looking for. Once she nails down the edits, process them and deliver a killer wedding album/pictures. All of this insanity didn’t have to happen. At the end of the day, the woman paid $8000 and the photographer had balls to ask for $4000 more. That’s sad.
i think its crazy that she paid 8000.. maybe i need to get into weddings! i could go for 8000 right now
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Sorry, you have no idea how working with a client like this actually goes. There's a direct account of this on the Vendor's Table podcast from the photographer herself. She did a follow-up session with them. You''re kidding yourself if you think that it's going to be some smooth process instead of hours upon hours of back and forth. The photog delivered 2000 photos. Two. Thousand. You think this bride was going to stop at a few pictures? Sure you'd feel differently doing hours of work for free. The photographer 100% fulfilled the terms of the contract.
In regard to cost--this is totally relative to the market and not really exorbitant at all. If she's able to charge 8k+, then she must be getting work consistently, and she's not hiding the cost. There are people who charge double that. If you think it's outlandish, I'd just say it's no different than people who pay 10k for jewelry, or 3k for concert tickets, or 1k for a bottle of wine. The 4k charge for raws was present in the contract before signing, and it's there mostly because wedding photographers generally do not give them out as a rule. The biggest thing I see is that the photographer could have just given those out at a much lower cost to smooth the situation over, but some people choose to fall back on agreed-upon terms in the contract once things turn hostile.
As a photographer, I think the photos that she got is what she paid for. She saw the style of the photographer prior and the client didn't give them any different direction prior to the wedding. You can't expect a different look from a photographer that uses mostly pre-sets on their page. I believe in giving the client 10 days after delivering photos to let me know if they want anything changed or adjusted but 30 days after the fact isn't acceptable. Plus, I don't sell Raws to any client simply because they will do their own edits or ask someone they know to edit my Raws and claim they are better. That kind of input doesn't change the service or photos that was paid for. I think $4000 for very fair because the photographer was most likely working on another wedding around this time so to back step for a client is costly.
What's the fuss about giving out raws? I always give clients raws if they requested me, provided they won't post re edited photos anywhere (With contract). RAWs are just version of the file that has the most dynamic and color range it's just a safety net if you are on a harsh lighting environment or messed up your exposure during the shoot. The only result I get when I give out raws are
1. They can't open it
2. They realized how hard it is to edit those kinds of files
3. They appreciate more my color grading skills
4. I get extra money, if they are willing to pay.
I don't understand the logic of hogging raws.
Because on top of them potentially being able to figure out, eventually, how to open and edit them and then claim you edited them that way (could be a misrepresentation of your style/brand), RAW’s also contain metadata that JPEG’s don’t, enabling you to prove that you took the image and that it’s your intellectual property.
@@Mark_R_Tho again, you can just state in the contract that they cannot post it anywhere and it is still your intellectual property. Most wedding photos are for private use of the couple and family, and fighting for whose intellectual property the photos are, is just a waste of time unless they are selling their wedding photos to I don't know who are interested in buying wedding photos of other people lol maybe stock websites? Or maybe you guys only shoot high profile weddings of celebrities or politicians.
@@redrosscoversU are a amateur
@@alfonsosolorzano4747 you are scared of the client
She has a point with the darkness of the eyes. But she does lose a lot of ground with admitting she found her from her instagram, and admitting that the brown look was a prominent factor in why she picked her.
She liked the brown look and she got the brown look. She may like it on screen but not on print. Which might be the change of heart. If she first viewed them on screen, and then began to change her mind after seeing it on the wall, then I see where that came from.
I think it's more to do with self assessment. When you see an image with a stranger, you can appreciate the whole image, with its artistic style. But when it's you, you are hyper aware of how you looked and how you want to look, as you spend more time analysing images, flaws and perceived faults start to become more evident.
@@edenakasha7574 Well in her own words and in an interview of the photographer, that hyper awareness didn't seem to be around when she looked at the pictures in an online gallery and in previews that the photographer texted to her.
And her main gripe with the photos was that her makeup, her hair, and things like that didn't look in the photos how they look in real life.
Which takes her right back to the very reason she picked the photographer was because she edited photos with a tint that is not real life colors.
It's fine that she can change her mind later on. But it's another to add extra work in for redoing all the photos she wanted that goes far beyond slight adjustments for a few images, and once she decides to not want to pay for the time it takes to redo the edits, get upset when the photographer charges what the photographer considers a fair amount for giving her all the RAW files.
The vendor table has interviews with the photographer
im off the watch that now! thank you
Firts time i saw a raw better than the edited image😅
lmao 😂
The hate on presets is actually insane in all the comment sections I’ve been reading.
There are endless styles of presets. Endless. Some are super clean…or light and airy…while others are moody and cinematic…or lean towards trends. But using a preset doesn’t really indicate anything, at all. You could bump up the exposure, contrast and sharpness in LR and nothing else, and make that a preset.
It would be an issue if you copied and pasted one preset on 2,000 images and didn’t review each image and make adjustments. That’s totally different. But that’s not a reason to say that wedding photogs shouldn’t use presets, because the vast majority DO. In fact, some of the most well-known and sought after photographers in the industry SELL their own presets and actions!!!!
I think people just think of IG filters at 100% opacity, where it like turns the entire image purple or something. They associate that with a preset, so they go nuts imagining a photographer using that on wedding photos.
I dunno, I just think if you’re a photographer who shoots weddings and you’re shitting on presets just like the general public seems to be, you must not be very booked. Because editing a wedding is NO joke. And if you’re editing 1,000 plus images completely manually, you have too much time on your hands.
i agree. I have produced my own presets and i use them as starting points for every photo i take and adjust things accordingly which i guess gives me my "style" of editing but i still always adjust things. it is only a starting point. and once i fine tune it then i copy it and paste it to the rest and go through them and make more smaller adjustments if needed. and i feel thats something everyone does hopefully.
I did one wedding photography gig, and that was it for me. I'm not cut out for wedding photography.
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Let's be honest, will it really be the last time she'll get married
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@@MetalMeltdown1995 Bruh!!🤣🤣🤣
Let's just say there were a couple vendors that passed on working with this bride, and the husband seems like a real gem himself on social media. So really a pot of gold all around
Bottom line is that the photographer delivered sub par editing. Yes the bride took 30 days to notice but that’s not her area of expertise. The photos she showed were clearly BAD.
lol they were horrible lol. That Boho style of editing is so bad to me
@@RyanTroyyea I hated the edit. But my thing is, Is why she took 30 days and why did she hire her? It’s her style 🤷♀️
Bottom line is she delivered her exact style. Anyone that sides with the bride doesn't understand that. It's not as if the bride is just asking for a handful of photos to be redone. She's basically ranting about how she hates sepia-tone/boho editing after the fact when that's EXACTLY what the photographer was hired to do. It melts my brain that people don't understand that. You don't get to go to an ice cream shop and then lose your mind when you find out you're getting a frozen yogurt instead. You can hate the editing style, but her images are completely in-line with her previous work. Now this poor photographer that's spent thousands of hours building her business has to deal with this crap because of a bridezilla clout-chasing on Tik Tok. You think this situation takes 18+ videos for it to be addressed? 100% harassment and I hope to God the photographer takes the bride to court for defamation.
Great video Ryan, my first time on your channel. I could see when you looked up the first time at the camera and smiled, I was going to enjoy this. Thanks mate!
😂😂😂😂 thank you! 🙏🏽
All photographers are not great editors. Most of this is so opinionated. As a whole people who dabble into photography / editing these people are the hardest they have a strong opinion of what they want. A makeup artist is also hard to work with they work with so many other photographers. Weddings are the worst.
This is why you charge your value and don’t do $500 weddings.
Ok! i like this point of view
@@jamesdavis9987 All photographers have weaknesses and it’s your job to strengthen that weakness. I’m still trying to strengthen and master posing…
As a photographer also who does weddings sometimes 😂 I feel this photographer did a bad job editing.. with preset they shouldve made small corrections on the eyes and teeth but especially the eyes. Now if all her portfolio wedding work looks like that then wow.. Ryan on that natural light section outdoor that definitely couodve been done better saving highlights if they used a ND filter or combo UV and ND filter/ VND to keep all the colors. 30 days isnt that long for wedding photos to be looked over hmmm
@@XtremeLinkProduction Yep, an all around bad editing job! There’s no way you deliver an edit of a bride with Racoon 🦝 eyes 👀
@@russellwright9961 Also it does feel like Ryan said that someone put thoughts in her head considering how long she had them and she started coming up with all these suggesstions to rework to select X images and reedit which in my limited wedding experience wouldve been discussed in your prior consultations when talking price so it sounds like that was never discussed. $4000 for RAWS is crazy if you already got paid $8000 for the gig
She took 2000 photos as I hear. I would never....
My wedding photos were a gift from a family friend, he didn't edit any and they were all the raws... had no idea the blessing that was until 10 years later and I'm so glad... trends come and go.
By raws im assuming you mean edited Jpegs. Raw Files are different than unedited Jpegs and thats the biggest thing that people are getting caught up on
@RyanTroy I don't believe so? He didn't edit anything, he took a bunch and then picked the best 5,000 and put them on a drive for us. He also did our maternity photos, he took them, we went to his house- he put all the photos on a drive and handed it to us. But I realize this is NOT normal.
And that’s why i read the contract with the client! To make sure I’m covered from all sides, cuz this kind of thing happens, and we need to be prepared
I couldn’t agree more.
I hand edit 90% of my photos. Occasionally I may do a few presets but always tweak that too. For weddings I do a good but basic edits to all (as it’s mostly spot on in camera) and ask them what 25-50 or 100 images if buying an album that they want full editing done on. Ones they will share and post, Print or Put on walls.
I don’t like same presets for all images. I find it boring. I can do all sorts of different styles and techniques for images. Light and airy, dark and moody, bold colors, soft colors. Etc. No one is one size fits all. And I want to work with my clients. Why limit my pool of options.
The trend needs to go.
In a couple of years she will discover that her husband was not what she thought and she will get divorced. That thread is going to be legendary.
You know it's coming
She charged 8000.
She then wanted another 4000 for the raws. Unexceptable!
For that amount of money, she has 2 options.
Work with the bride, so she was happy.
Or give her the raws.
She got her money, the bride is entitled to photos shes happy with.
This photograph created a problem, where there was an easy fix.
You are missing a lot of context. This wasn't a one day shoot, it was a multiday destination shoot...she had no problem paying that 8K for that service. She got what she paid for and by her own admission was happy with the photos when she received them. $4000 was for her to get the raw and copyright for the all for 2000+ photos which is generous. The bride is a bridezilla karen who threw a tantrum when the photographer already gave her 10 raws for free on the agreement that she would not post anywhere...which she violated with this whole saga. I hope the photographer sues her.
No. And please use spell check.
Ryan Bro, LOL - when I first started photography I was asked if I wanted to shoot weddings. I always said NO Fkn way! 99% of the time you have all this drama! What a mess LMFAO
Lol its a lottt of drama. call me crazy but i want to go into being a wedding photographer lol
@@stkuj Somebody has to do it!
The edits were terrible. I don't think it represented the "warm glow" of the photographers other photos well at all. They were just... yellow and dull. And I even understand the 30 days it took her to realize how much she disliked it. I painted my office and loved it the first day and a month later f'n hated it lol. I doubt the slander lawsuit will go anywhere. She's not saying anything that can be considered slander by showing the photos and why she hates them.
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The problem was the photographer should have never delivered 2,000 photos. Too much room for client to pick out 100 photos she didn't LOVE. You're not going to LOVE all 2,000 photos ever.
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The most I deliver for an 8hr wedding is 450, if that. Usually I try to cap it at 350. And around 150 for elopements/civil ceremony weddings.
Update to the story. 30 days after sepia-gate she is now filing for divorce. She is unhappy with how she is unable to edit her new husband to be the way she saw husbands portrayed on Television.
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The bride wouldn’t necessarily know this. But those trendy edits get old fast. True to life will last longer.
Most Definitely!
With this kind of editing. When you reduce the saturation of yellow it boosts the orange and makes the skin look more orange than it really is.
I don't understand the bride. The photog's IG clearly shows what feel and style she edits in. Any reasonable person would look at that and tell themselves, do I want this for my wedding, yes or no? If no, then you move on to the next wedding photog. There's a ton of wedding photogs that do the bright and airy, which is clearly what she wanted.
I do make it clear with my clients before booking if they're familiar with my editing style and understand that that's primarily how I will edit their photos. I let them know I can't guarantee it will look exactly like previous photos because of weather, lighting, color casts, ect. We're in the people business. You need to clearly lay out expectations so that at the end these types of things don't come back to bite you in the end.
I will be kind....Love the video Bro, great job breaking it down. I will say this...when you contract with a photographer, you sign into their artistic approach, and the fact that they own your images. The bride was on one lol
😂😂😂 thank you!
Wedding photography is one genre I know I will never get into, not because I can't do it, but because of the stress and detailed human interaction. People can be very mean guys😭😭🤧. The way some people treat wedding photographers is just not encouraging.
I have not seen a ton of this photographers IG, what I did see was fair skinned blondes. This bride is not a fair skinned blonde. I appears as if she used her preset but did not adjust for the difference in hair and skin tone. Presets are fine, but adjustments are usually needed when environment/subject are different.
You have the best take on this situation I've heard so far. The 30 day wait after approval is ridiculous but so is slapping pressets on bridal portraits without adjusting them later. Both parties are at fault, the bride is insufferable, and the photographer sounds unreasonable/unskilled.
Adding some things to my wedding contract after watching this... 💅🏻
The amount of portrait photographers these days that lean on preset packs, editing everything into yellow-brown-green tones… I’m sorry, but it’s horrendous. All in the name of having a “style”. These are the same folks that make posts like “Guys, omg I have my first wedding tomorrow, hey what are the best settings for flash…?” 😳
For sure I’m on the side of the bride here, ok minus the “holding our photos” part. She’s not wrong, at least her observations are absolutely accurate.
And ya no one uses “raw” correctly, they just mean unedited jpg exports. They have no clue what a true RAW file is.
I should stop here 🤐😆
😂😂😂 keep going!
Bride is all wrong. If this is what the photog delivers consistently, and she delivered again, this was a bad match, and the hiring came from the client, it always does.
That story got me adding new things to my clients contract lol…
This woman will do this every time she gets married, and she'll get married a lot I suspect as she seems extremely high maintenance. Needs to be a bride blacklist maintained somewhere.
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That's why I stick with my street and landscape. Dealing with people actually takes away your creativity unless wedding is all you shoot
How about photographers edit the picture to real life. Not changing the color and applying crazy layers. What did it look like when the moment was captured.
The 30 day delay? I think after she got married, went on the honeymoon, came home went back to work and then started to assemble the photos for her photo book, thats when she began to see all the sepia toned photos and started to complain
AS a photographer, I can't have non-photogs with photoshop editing better than me!
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Loved this video -- and love that your a strobist - , definitely a bridzill makeup artist
When it gets to "part two" that's the point that the photog offers the client to show a photo of their ideal outcome for the images, finds an external editor that can edit to that style, gets a quote from said external editor and tells the client this is how much that editor would charge for the re-edit and give the client the opportunity to pay that fee. That way the raws are protected and it's the outcome the client is after. Either that or just pop them through imagin and it would cost the photog like $50.
I think what the client wanted was what you have going on in your video. Your background is quite warm/golden without being too off... but when you focus on the foreground and you specifically, it becomes a bit cooler, more 'true-tone', so important features like the eyes and teeth aren't yellowed and the skin looks more realistic. I personally like all-over sepia photos, but as accent photos only - NOT the whole collection. I don't think the bride initially wanted sepia per se, but a light vintage vibe. Both parties in this situation do not seem to know how to communicate effectively and the photographer definitely made some bad decisions ie: offering too many photos from the start, making edits to all the photos before confirming it's what the bride wanted, releasing RAWs without an additional contract, etc. The bride should have expressed concerns earlier and maybe give explicit details and provide examples of what she wanted as soon as she figured she wasn't happy. I'm not really sure either side really took the time to come to some mutual understanding and I think the photographer got burnt out editing a huge number of photos without getting the customer's feedback/approval DURING the process, hence the, 'Well, this is my editing style - take it or leave it.'
She's completely correct, those photos were sh*t, even if she didn't realize it right away, it takes time to dicern what constitutes a good photo. Besides, a lot of presets diguise the conditions under which they were taken - so you really can't go by Instagram. I think the photographer could've been more accommodating.
The only thing I agree with is after applying a preset you have to go in and fix all imperfections stop being lazy, but bridezilla waited 30 days to realize she didn’t like the images and hired a photographer and then doesn’t like the editing that’s all over her page 🤦🏾♂️
Right.. it just dont make sense lol
This... Photography is art...I can't see how you wait a month and then get mad.
This is all on the bride...
A large percentage of these photographers do not know how to get the photos right in camera daily soleil on edits. The only thing I see what was wrong is. She picked a below average photographer.
Think the problem was how missmatched the editing style of the videographer and the photographer was.
I definitely feel that the photographer should have given samples edited versions before editing. She also should have never sent the Raws. Just edit it the way the client wants because at the end of the day, shes the client and they are the one’s spending thousands of dollars. Also I don’t think she should not have sent 2000 images. It’s all about quality over quantity. Overall I feel for the bride but the fact that she took it to social media was really bad. For me, that puts her in the wrong
Ive had my share of picky wedding customers but my biggest learning is There are some issues that cannot be resolved on the phone. This has all the hallmarks of such a situation. You got to sit the customer down and walk them back from their freakout
really great breakdown of both sides. It's an unfortunate situation for both parties. Sounds like they both needed to do a little more in a meeting prior to wedding to make sure they were fully compatible.
I agree!
As a photographer, I work for the client and if it’s not outrageous, I always try to give them what they want & I always give the client the raw photos, especially if they asked
did you say you always give the client the raw photos? do you mean unedited jpegs or do you mean the actual raw file?
The client "always have the reason" because they are paying for this service. This photographer worked awful the color grading edit, delivery is too late and poor quality for a expensive cost.
This situation has a terrible effect to this photographer and can be affect her carrier.
I will send this video to clients that are being impossible for raws
I lean towards the client. A feedback loop. Usually one would send a decent selection of proofs, get client feedback to confirm they’re happy with the editing style then process the remainder accordingly. I often photograph events in very intimate warm lighting and they look ‘orange’ which is how the venue and guests actually looked on the night, however, one has to apply some adjustment because the skin tones that looked ‘alright on the night’ are unflattering when looking at photos after the event. Surely the whole point of shooting is raw is to give one much more latitude in post…however the client subjectively wants it.
As a wedding photographer I would have re-edited the pics to protect my integrity.
It's obvious that those pictures were badly edited for an $8000 wedding.
I think this photographer could do much better or pay someone to edit the pics to a much better standard.
I would not under any circumstance give out raw pictures.
Certain Makeup artists possess editing skills like colour grading and dodge and burning.
Agreed!
@@shadyninja1 Wait, I missed that!! $8K for this???
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2000 photos for any event is too much. No client needs that many. I give 200-300 at the most.
Yes!!!! Thank you for saying what you said. I own the photo as soon as i press click. They are not yours at any time. I own the rights and the copyright till the end of time.
@@Shakeitupcreationsmia that’s right!!!!
That's not always the case. Specifically in the advertising, fashion and editorial realms.
@@thedrunkweddingphotographeryes that is possibly true but for everyday photography we own our images.
@@catherinem.lanuezsavethete4649 it's not possibly true. it is true.
I think those photos will look great in black and white.
Some people go to the camera store, buy a camera, watch a few TH-cam videos and setup a wedding photography business. Some are good, some are bad... you roll the dice in the wild west 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Yeah. I had a friend just tell me they saw someone get booked with a Rebel for a wedding and charged 3k
@@photo2000 I freaking despise those that do that!!!! It took me some time before I started accepting money for my work, but the Microwave generation thinkers are blind to that concept!
@@RyanTroy Bruh, you gotta be lying!!!!!
@@RyanTroy Wow!
Btw, which Rebel? 90D is still a good camera if you can get off the auto setting.
@@russellwright9961 I’m serious lol
I’m wondering if she checked ONLY the photographer’s instagram account. Professionals tend to have galleries on their website. Anybody can pick up a camera, take some photos and claim to be photographers.
If you got look at the photographers' side of the story on The Vendor Table the first question (about the four minute mark) she's asked is if the client saw full galleries.
BRAH! By how she answered, I bet you $1M dollars she sent the client a gallery of "best of" photos and not a full wedding gallery. And even then, it's better to send clients the home page of your full galleries so they can best judge your work. Which clearly, the photographer did not do.
This woman is why I've avoided this industry. She better hope that no one remembers this mess when her second wedding comes around.
Feels like the photographer uses someone else to edit their images and on this job do it herself? All in all these edited images are garbage and not like what anyone would consider good!
lol but there are sooooo many people out there that edit photos like this in my city and I dont understand how they have returning clients
@@RyanTroy people are colorblind?!? I hate it too!
There’s nothing wrong with outsourcing the edits.
At first I was on the bride side, because tbh I do not like the photographer’s edit version, in my opinion it looks like the sepia presets of Instagram, but now I understand that the photographer did her job as they both agree and the bride knew and liked the photographer style of editing, so it’s not the photographer fault that the bride started to disliked the photos after a month of receiving the photos but that bride hired the wrong photographer for her wedding.
Appreciate your take
Love the vid.
Honestly this is my perspective. If i’m paying a photographer for my wedding i’m paying for the photos, their time and their edit but make no mistake i AM paying for the PHOTOS. Now of course the photographer owns the copyright to those images but i paid for photos and i want the photos edited in natural light and as a customer she is entitled to that.
This is what i think happened. She saw the photographers style and liked it in other peoples wedding however didn’t like it at her wedding once she saw them and got to sit with it. It’s like liking a outfit on someone then you try it on and realize you don’t like it on you. I think she saw the videographers videos and saw wow my photos can look this way and wanted them in a natural light which the photographer can do.
She already psid $8000!!! Get off your high horse or you'll be out of work! This is why my friend did photography at my wedding and they were perfect! People don't wanr to hire you!
Also when you are shooting with a very warm white balance or even boosting the warmth in post it does cause the yellow or orange teeth.
Well said, I felt that the photographers edits def came across as lazy as hell, Bride was not wrong in pointing out things like her portraits having no real retouching, I know some people nickel and dime every last thing down to retouching services but for weddings I have certain standards for myself.
Especially where Bride and Groom portraits are concerned.
Bride was wrong for blasting this for multiple weeks but i can understand being emotional cause you feel like its not an unreasonable request to say please make this less piss tone, and feeling like the person is not understanding or willing to edit a more true to live yet still warm look, tells me the photographer might not have that much experience in editing.
Overall, they def could both have handled this better, communication is a key skill that I think we need to spend more time teaching people entering into Photography. Like yes Bride hired her off instagram style but in that style I do see a lot of images with color and vibrance thats not hollywood poor country filter lol
She refused to show the actual raws, in order to show how the photographer had edited (& presumably improved them) to her advertised style. Instead she only showed another edited photo and then complained that she had actually wanted edit style #2, not edit style #1 which she hired that photographer for.
I keep getting the sense that she loved the photos initially then decided that she wanted a different style, thought online photo editing is easy/cheap enough to learn so then "why did i spend $8k on this photographer? when i can do it to my tastes myself..." and is now wanting the raws to do that exact thing, while also trying to get some sort of monetary return from the photographer to make her go away and stop spreading bad word of mouth about her business on social media, which is the location that she uses to her get clients.
There is no color dynamics on those photos. I don't care about style if it's a bad style. Everything is yellow, so the photos became bi-color actually. And they don't look like sepia actually. The saturation is also off.
Wedding photographers are walking away from it. WPPI reflects the shortage weddings booths.
Bride is in the wrong 95% honestly. Photographer didn't do anything wrong. her style & her opnion is the pictures are nice. You booked for this and got this
Honestly what was the photographer thinking to make her dress and teeth yellow😬
Vibes
Aesthetics
But for cereal, I think she uses her clients photos to push her preset packs.
Thank you for a well balanced analysis! I agree with your thought that someone else influenced her to be unhappy. I wonder if she really got RAWs or unedited Jpegs? RAWs usually look more unfinished. I personally don't like the brown presets-my son's wedding photographer used them. They are going to look very dated in a few years. I'm glad I don't shoot weddings any more!!
Thank you.. I keep looking at the money in wedding photography and it makes me want to go towards it lol maybe next wedding season i will be more prepared
I try to keep the skin tones natural. I don’t like high yellow, orange, purple, or red
Finally, someone mentions how easy shooting in cloudy situations is. Realistically, the colors would have popped if they weren't edited in the "muddy look" (which is what I call it). It's cool if that's your style but that's what it looks like honestly.
right!!
Read the fine print before you sign the contract.
THANK YOU! People slap a "preset" from someone "famous" and it is done... Please EDIT your own pictures... Nowadays anyone is a "photographer"... I try to deliver as natural as possible and customer add their "TOUCH" or "IG preset".
I hate when people say “I spoke ‘my’ truth”….. it implies the scenario they made up in their head of how they want to be perceived or perceived it to happen. It’s THE truth. That’s why they say there are 3 sides to every story. The middle side is THE truth. Idk it irritates me.
I have been shooting since circa 1997 and have been working to go full time since 2010, so I personally hate how we use the word “professional photographer” because I can deliver better images than that photog. So with that being said, I see issues on both sides. But in the end, this is the issue with “natural light photographers”. And lazy quick time turn around editing photogs. That edit was very lazy, but the couple has no rights to the images and forever edits. BTW, all these bridezillas are the reason I stopped doing weddings.
I did some (very little photography) but I totally see the clients POV, especially if she is still saying she liked composition and all it was the coloring, just let your client be happy, she is the one that will look at the pictures years from now.
Your comments are so spot on. I agree, there are times you have to use OCF. Particularly an overcast day as the contrast will be flat. I’d bet my last dollar that this photographer is all natural when outside.
I wouldn't have sent the RAW photos. I would have sent a selection of variations for the client to choose between.
Her POV is different than the photographer’s POV. She doesn’t have copy-write to any pictures. She hired a photographer that she loved her “style” which was sepia tones. She got pictures in that style and loved it for 30 days. She looked at her video which was in natural tones then she hated her pictures. You should have picked a photographer with natural tone styles!! And she got 2,000 pictures which is insane! Read your contract people!🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
13:20 Photographer could have given the client the RAW pictures and call it a day... Its not like the client was going to hire this photographer again anyways... She even says it at 14:05.... It,s time to get with the times... Give the lady the RAW make her happy and call it a day...
I did quit photography this year because it does crazy brides. Last year, i did a couple of pictures to save the date. And she starts point how i should edit a pictures.... so i say here is your money and sorry for the inconvenience. Good luck and walk away . And the end she decides to do the photos with her friend with the phone!!! 😅
this is why i just too product photography lmao
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On this case the photographer should have released the RAW files the client wanted. Photohraphers need to relax with the holding the RAW files...Its 2024 not 2010!.... things evolve and some brides will want to make their own filters or color schemes.... Make the bride happy and call it a day.... Photohraphers think that RAW files are like gold... come on it just a file...