The Double Life Of Chris Kanyon (Dark Side of the Ring Review)
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- Solomonster reviews the Dark Side of the Ring episode on "The Double Life of Chris Kanyon", the sad story of a man who loved pro wrestling and was quite good at it, but severe mental health issues, along with his struggles to keep his sexuality a secret, made life hell for him and eventually led to his early demise. He also discusses the Mortis character in WCW that almost made its way to WWE television... the infamous Boy George segment with The Undertaker on Smackdown... the comments John Cena and Ric Flair made about him on The Howard Stern Show... his letter to Stephanie McMahon in 2006 and lots of other details not included in the episode.
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“He was so well liked. The one person who did not like him was himself.” Chills.
He was so afraid that people were going to shun him for being gay and he didn't even realize that no one cared, he killed himself for no reason
That's Depression for you.
@@edalder2000 that's why professional help exists, the fact of the matter is, it's been years since anybody really cared if someone came out as gay, when he was freaking out about this in 2006, it had been 15 years since coming out was a big deal, on top of that, he let John Cena and Ric flair, two overrated wrestlers who couldn't lace his boots up on their best days embarrass him on a national platform, if I were Chris canyon I would have cussed Ric Flair and John Cena out and I would have put a 9 mm to The undertaker's throat and told him if he ever beat me with a chair like that again WWE would be paying tribute to him, he knew how to beat up on James Vandenberg but he didn't know how to beat up on the people who were actually against him and took liberties with him
@@brickcitybikeman3108 not only that he spent decades suffering from depression and bipolar disorder which wasn’t even properly diagnosed until like 2004 or 2005 and even when he came out as gay to his friends like the Young Bucks and Brian Cage and Luke Hawx they all basically said they didn’t care and they still loved him anyway but even when it seemed like he had turned a corner in his personal or professional life something would come and blow it all to hell and he just couldn’t take it anymore in fact James Mitchell (his long time friend and former manager) said that about 3 weeks before he died that Kanyon tried to kill himself by throwing himself in front of a car I think one time back in September of 2003 he tried to kill himself by intentionally overdosing on sleeping pills so it wasn’t a matter of if Kanyon was gonna die it was a matter of when and how
As someone who has been suicidal since the age of 4, I felt that.
My takeaway from this episode is that somewhere out there, there's a tape of Father James Mitchell having sex with a woman wearing a Mortis mask.
LOL
I’m sure James has that tape buried in his house somewhere
I did not need this mental image
@@TheSolomonster Well said Solomonster. Also just thought you may like to know that in his book Kanyon Claimed that the Boy George angle was his idea. It’s interesting that they didn’t mention that in the episode.
😂
Kanyon was definitely an innovator.
It felt like in every match, he would do a new move.
Especially on Velocity, every Saturday I would hope he would be on the show when I would watch late at night in the US.
Revisionist history
The Howard Stern interviews remind me a lot of the Dana Plato incident on the Howard Stern Show a few years beforehand. If you suffer from mental illness, the last thing you need to be on is the Howard Stern show.
Depression is not when you feel blue, like when you break up with your girlfriend... Depression is your body's inability to process your negative emotions like sadness and anger and frustration. Take for example when a relative or close friend dies, usually people go through the seven stages of grief before going back to normal. When you're depressed it's actually where you're permanently stuck in stage 2 or stage 3. and you carry this like a weight on you for years.
If you've ever taken x-rays and they make you carry this lead-filled covering, imagine that you're carrying this constantly for years.
I've suffered from depression for 90% of my life and it's literally a weight on your shoulders.
What's horrible in a way is about 20 years ago I found a psychologist who used a method to help expel all of your negative emotions, and it was amazing how light I felt after it was all over. What I hadn't realized is that you need to realize why you became incapable of processing these emotions normally, or else you're right back where you were before...
Damn...I felt for Chris. Can definitely relate to a LOT of his story in terms of struggling with acceptance of self. RIP Chris🙏🏾🔥🙌🏿
That's the biggest point too me
Mortis and Wrath both looked amazing.
so does your mom
I remember Kanyon credited Bischoff with coming up with Mortis thinking they could capitalize on the popularity of Mortal Kombat.
And Chris Kanyon was definitely an innovator... I wish he was alive today because he would be crying tears of joy with the new generation of wrestlers he inspired.
Not only that but the fact that 20 or 25 years ago when Kanyon was still wrestling ppl may not have accepted an openly gay man in the wrestling business but nowadays you’ve got gay lesbian bisexual and transgender ppl finding success in the wrestling industry I think he would be proud to see ppl not giving a shit about a wrestlers sexual orientation anymore
Mortis was a cross between Reptile and Skeletor
What stood out to me was how, in this episode and the Plane Ride episode, was how much of an asshole Flair really comes off as
I’m confident that Kanyon would be an agent or a veteran talent in AEW right now if he was alive
Hell yeah especially with his connection to Jericho, the bucks and Brian Cage. I’m sure Tony Khan was a huge kanyon fan.
After seeing that documentary I reckon he would have done a Benoit or something along those lines. He seemed crazy trying to choke his friend to death. That is not normal behaviour.
@@finbarobruadair2761 right? I love how Dreamer is an asshole for a stupid take but Kanyon choking his friend is glossed over
Adam Bomb AKA Wrath in WCW also wasn’t interviewed even though he was his tag team partner. There’s a nice 30 minute interview of Wrath on Hannibal TV where he talks about Chris.
I watched all DSOTR episodes and I noticed that they limit the number of talking heads to a minimum (in contrast to AE Biography which has hundreds). They seem to select one or two persons to cover an aspect of the subject's life. Between Vandenberg and Wrath, the former has a better insight into Kanyon's career. To get the latter would've been redundant.
Adam Clark is busy fighting jail time I believe
@@nowtheworld138 wrong. They dropped all charges
@@johnfalcetta5431 there you go thanks sir
The fact WWE didn't even give him a lousy "remembering Chris Kanyon" graphic when he passed away
No one watched anyway
@@renerocha6334 except us
@@troy801 you perhaps. I gave up on dubya dubya back in 2014.
@@renerocha6334 cool story bro. Now, how will you loose that extra two hundred pounds?
@@sldsnak4 cool story bro? What are you 10? I only weigh 175 half-wit.
Kanyon helping Raven & Saturn win the WCW Tag Team titles at Slamboree 99 in an amazing triple threat tag team match is one of my favorite WCW matches. Kanyon had "it" shame his depression ultimately became too much
That Undertaker chair shot to Mr. Kennedy is absolutely brutal.
Oh yeah
so brutal that crowd was hushed not the oh my reaction but oh is he okay?
Watching Him when i was a kid, seeing him perform the Flatliner was the coolest finisher i've seen. When i played the WcW games i always gave my CAW the flatliner as my finisher.
Hearing you read that email out loud was heartbreaking. Love the show and appreciate your review of DSOTR.
Kanyon was absolutely awesome in the ring. Very innovative, always doing something unique. He and Perry Saturn would've been an incredible tag team, I think. He was also one my favorite wrestlers to use on the WCW/NWO Revenge game. I'm sorry that he went through all of the things that he did. RIP and thank you, Kanyon. 🙏
I grew up a wrestling fan in the 80s and 90s, stopped watching in the mid 2000s and I was a huge undertaker fan. I’m not going to lie I’ve heard some stuff this year about the undertaker that makes me feel kind of let down by him. The way undertaker treated so many WCW guys that came over and the way he treated some of the rookies, I don’t doubt he was trying to actually hurt Chris with that chair shot just like I don’t doubt he and Vince McMahon had a good laugh about how they totally ruined DDP‘s career. I heard an interview with Tracy smothers two days ago and they were asking him about his time in WWF. And he was telling a story of when they had brought him back for the ECW stuff and there was someone that had just signed with the company a new wrestler and he hadn’t been on TV yet. In his dark match he broke his arm. Well they were all in a meeting one day and this guy with the broken arm his cell phone went off in his pocket. Because his arm was in a cast in a sling he was having a hard time reaching across his body with his other arm to turn it off. Supposedly undertaker cussed the guy out in front of everybody and then the next day the guy was fired.
You also forgetting about Peter Avalon who was also in those car shield commercials
This Season of DSOTR has Wreaked Havoc in Professional Wrestling & even John Cena is under the Microscope again so soon after his China Debacle … 👀
@@badmartian320 be careful with what your saying cause yea that's not really true wwe did him dirty
He was an average wrestler with an over catch phrase.
I think people really overreacted with what Cena said. It wasn't insulting to Chris, because he didn't talk about Chris as a person, just as a wrestler.
Did they forget ric flair saying cena was right and his time in wwe was over?????
U would think yall know these people personally 😂😂😂😂😂
DSOTR deserves an award for this series.
Kanyon was a cousin of my good friend from high school. He was a nice guy. We didn’t believe my buddy at first when he told us his cousin was in WCW. I met him on Christmas one year. He was with that guy Glacier.
I'll take a WCW Kanyon match over a Cena or Flair match. Oh yeah, I said it
@@starbreaker269 It's really good, Buttercup
congrats mark no one cares
@@BigBadWolf30 You clearly do, sweetie
Your show is great like this episode was, because it always teaches me something I didn't know. That's cool that the Mortis costume appeared in WWE magazine. I watched some of his WCW matches the other day. Great stuff and moves I'd never seen (or forgotten about).
James Mitchell is Sinister Minister in kayfabe. But in real life, he is a true baby face and good human.
So many stuck with Kanyon and understood something was wrong. That Kanyon had mental health issues and that many tried to help.
Kanyon was an unmedicated Bipolar and that explains Kanyon's extreme mood swings. Unmedicated Bipolars are scary as all Hell.
Chris Kanyon reminded me of the Dynamite Kid, in terms of wrestling innovation. His influence is been seen in especially in AEW with the Buck and Cage. An like some artist, they work is never appreciated until they are gone. I know that I didn't appreciate him a much when I saw those Velocity matches. RIP Chris "WHO BETTA THAN" Kaynon.
Kanyon was the Innovator Of Offense before Seth Rollins
This Episode Was Very shocking and I Find Undertaker's Chair shot to Kanyon Very disturbing and hard to watch.
@@badmartian320 it's not just the chairshot that whole Kanyon Segment was a dick move.
Mr. Kennedy would like to have a word with you
@@watersandblue6001 ppl are acting like it was Taker’s idea for the angle when it was Vince who put him on the spot and included Undertaker in the segment. Taker has given and received similar chair shots to the head. Guess we gotta cancel every wrestler from the attitude and ruthless aggression era for being stiff
@@yeezus4950 Taker could have said no
@@yeezus4950 Yep and it is ridiculous for people to Cancel one of [if not] the greatest legend in wrestling history the Undertaker
That Undertaker chairshot to Kanyon was BRUTAL as hell. I've always said the baseball bat to Big Show's head back in 1999 was vicious
that was around the same time, they went for that gun shot sound as Jim Ross would call it.
yes!
He use to be rude and disrespectful to Big show too always cussing at him and made of the FUN OF underwear he wore.
@@niaedmonds3342 i think you are referring to when Big Show had his own name on his tights and Undertaker was like really? you need The Big Show like everyone doesn't already know who the Big Show is.
@@tw475 That doesn't excuse what he did. Triple H had his name on his tights. His ring name
I thought Mortis was supposed to be more a reference to Shao Khan with the skull mask than Reptile.
People, look back at the 2001-2005 WWF/E roster. One of the most stacked rosters ever, kanyon just was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Even though he had a decent run being double champion.
I’m not buying it, imagine him tearing it up with guys like Eddie Guerrero, Chris Jericho, Edge and RVD in the midcard. I think he would’ve fit perfectly we just never got the chance to see it.
More like that he got hurt at the wrong time.
@@samsational168 What a load of BS. He wasn’t that great. You forgot another 7 guys who were better than him.
@@heyyo7431 you must not have actually seen him wrestle that much, the guy was a great worker and bust out a new move you’ve never seen every match. Ironically enough he was so much of an over the top character and “entertainer” that it actually overshadowed his wrestling ability. Btw I never said he was better than any of those guys, I said he could have great matches with all of them and wouldn’t have felt out of place.
@@samsational168 Characters are more important than in ring talent. What don’t you guys understand? That’s why the business is down.
So no one knew about Rick Flair’s past before last week? I’m confused.
I know, right! Everyone still likes to pretend Stone Cold is an honorable man dispite beating up Debra in 2002. I guess when that DSOTR episode eventually airs, everyone will "get mad" at Austin for like a year & go right back to praising the guy.
Truth be told I really didn't know the details about Flair.
@@atticus5106 Who is thinking Austin is an honorable man? Most everyone who was a fan at the time knew about Austin's domestic issues and he's talked about them a little on his podcast. People know what Austin did and the reason why no one brings it up is because it was a dark period in Austin's life and he's moved on from it.
The episode will probably be hard to watch but Austin's owned up to his demons in the past
I always liked Chris Kanyon and thought he should have gotten a lot more.
But of course, if he had a tendency to choke out people out of the ring, I get why he wasn't consistently pushed.
A sad tale.
I bet WWE are happy that the next episode of DSOTR is about FMW and nothing to do with them
@@badmartian320 How so?
@@badmartian320 How is it biased?
@@cwell510 They’re definitely biased
@@badmartian320 Who did Owen Hart ever bully? Everyone has always said nice things about him. Hennig, JBL, and the Kilq on the other hand not so much.
@@badmartian320 why because your boy Naitch got put in his place! Scott Steiner was right along including a friend of mine who was working for the Boston Airport when Flair acted like a child in 2016!
Glad he was able to come out before he died. It seemed to be a big weight off his shoulders before he passed
The kicker is when you look at what the WWE did with Darren Young and essentially made him an ambassador all the while he got all of this attention and awards from GLADD and other LGBT groups you have to think how much Kanyon could have benefitted from one more run with his sexuality out in the open.
Does anyone look back on Flair release as blessing in disguise for WWe or do you think they had early access to DSOTR episode and got rid before backlash came out
Hmm, that's an interesting theory in fairness. However not sure if WWE are anything to do with VICE behind the scenes so not sure if they would get any sort of pre-warning? Totally a possibility of course
They will forgive him and accept him back by end of next year if he's still.alive.
Vince playing some 4-D chess hoping Flair would then find his was to AEW just in time for the bad publicity. This wouldn't surprise me at all lol.
About not being on Howard Stern with issues like these, I also think of Dana Plato from Diff'rent Strokes when she went on the day before she died, she was on the show and callers, some, not all, but most were insulting her and things, she lied a bit too which didn't help but she had all kinds of drug issues, alcohol, substances, attempted suicide, all that. My point is I agree Kanyon of course shouldn't have been on Stern. R.I.P. Kanyon.
@Ultra Instinct 94 I just think so cuz I thought she OD’d in that RV
Kanyon deserve so much better even as a young kid I knew he was amazing in the ring
I’ll be honest, my first exposure of Kanyon was quite interesting. I’ll even say I loved his Flatliner finishing maneuver (which is used by various wrestlers even to this day). One of my favorite matches with him was him vs Glacier on an episode of Nitro after Wrath took both of them out. Seeing him succeed in various parts of WCW and even as a double champion during the Invasion angle made me happy for him.
After seeing this episode, I truly felt bad for him and to hear Flair and even Cena told him he wasn’t good (on National TV no less) was disingenuous and not tasteless. Kanyon was truly underrated and deep down a low-key great guy. This is a testament to say that to never judge a book by its cover, especially when one is dealing with internal struggles. RIP Chris Kanyon.
Kanyon, Rude and Gordy never made it past the number 40. So sad.
A lot of them didn’t make it to 40
Flair as went from being a legend to being one step or maybe at the same level as hogan.
He’s always been a piece of garbage, just ask Scott Steiner 😂
@@Junketsuadidas yep, ask Teddy Long. When he was riding on the Crockett private jet, flair said something along the lines of “why is that n***** riding on this plane. Flair’s reputation at this point is almost unsalvageable.
Unless there’s some Thanos like snap in real life, and somehow Chris Benoit’s existence gets erased. Hogan and Flair would have to do a LOT more to ever lose “legend” status despite their behaviors outside the ring….
@@r.josedefraga1205 their in ring stuff can’t be diminished, but the stuff they have been doing outside the ring (racist remarks, sexual assault, blaming the literal victim in nick name hogan’s dui accident) makes them like radiation, everything they are apart of becomes contaminated. Yes both flair and hogan are pieces of shit, but Benoit is so far below that if he was just a piece of shit that would be a compliment for him.
@@r.josedefraga1205 Despite all of us fans kinda knowing how they are, dark side has proven that they can easily ruin any of those guys if they just include any of those stories in an hour long episode. I bet a lot of those older legends are shaking in their boots knowing they can show up on a future season
That Chris Kanyon vs Shark Boy match was really good just finished watching it R.I.P Chris Kanyon
I think this is the first time in 30 Years that The Undertaker gets real heat from some fans!
but he liked Kanyon. Shane Helms even said that on Jericho's podcast. they got so many talking heads backstage like now, it takes one guy in power to not like them.
@@tw475 That chair shot was horrible. Taker was an asshole for doing that.
@@tw475 any link of that Podcast? He didn't like him when give him this chairshot
We need LA Knight to be the new face of CarShield.
That sounds great but wouldn't Vince get envious of the additional money Knight would be earning even more from it as the face and demand a cut?
@@hugoalynstephens9166 Possibly
This has to be one of if not the best episodes
I couldn't understand why guys like Adam Bomb were interviewed yet the Young Bucks and Brian Cage were included
They had good stories to be fair and bring the perspective of Kanyon post wwe, Matt Jackson spent 45 minutes trying to talk him out of killing himself at 19 years old.
I mean, I know AEW doesn’t have any big controversy yet, but for the most part it does seem that Dark Side is favouring them.
Brian Cage was one of the people Kanyon inspired the most, and was even trained by Kanyon
Dude was a blast to watch wrestle. Sold moves almost comically at times, but still believable. His spoof of DDP was classic.
I can't really blame Chris for hiding the fact that he was gay because at that time in the wrestling business, gay wrestlers wasn't really treated with respect.
Pat Patterson would have helped him out
@@daburglar Maybe. But the problem is, when people who were discriminated against get in a position of power, they run the risk of developing a "fuck you, got mine" mindset. Thinking that because they had to suffer certain things, people like them also should, or thinking that their difference in status makes the discrimination of the "lower" person justified.
@@tafua_a I was being sarcastic. Guess it got lost in translation
@@daburglar This kind of sarcasm is hard to convey on the internet
A true fan understands Kanyon and then Mortis would pop you every match with innovative moves. No rest holds.😎
I was fully entranced at 8 years old in 2003 when Kanyon came out of the box in the segment with Taker. I lived and breathed wrestling then, but had no idea who Chris Kanyon was. The internet was a thing, but I was a kid and we didn't have dial up until 2006 or so. But back then, video rental stores were a thing, and one tape my parents bought me was WCW Starrcade 1997, where he and Jim Mitchell were sitting in the crowd. Didn't connect the dots in my child mind. Around 17 or 18, with the blessing of TH-cam, and "top moves of" compilations, I realized what an originator Kanyon was. Holy hell, this dude was on a different level. If he would have been able to grasp acceptable levels of promo and charisma, gosh, who knows? Especially in these days. Kanyon in say, 2017 height on the indie scene Battle of Los Angeles. Solid upper mid carder anywhere.
The funniest thing to me was Cena saying he sucked. Whole time I'm thinking "He was a better wrestler than u". Lol
I can’t believe guys haven’t stolen MORE of his shit, the sit out Alabama slam is awesome
John Cena, Ric Flair, and Undertaker don’t look very good coming out of this episode.
To smarks who are reaching yes, but to people who actually have sense knows they didn’t do nothing wrong.
@@heyyo7431 do you know any of these people personally
@@BePatientSeeLove No but I seen what the outrage is about and there shouldn’t be outrage. Also do you know Triple h? Cena, hogan, Shawn Michaels? The same guys who’ve been shitted on for the past 20 years by the same people who watch this show.
Taker gets a free pass
Explain to me how?
Another awesome review of dark side solomonster 🔥 Chris would've fit perfect in today's landscape of pro wrestling
Certainly would’ve been a better place for him mentally,
Was Kanyon checked for CTE?
Chris is one of those souls who were born a decade or two early cause this man probably would be a main eventer or upper midcard
Had he lived no doubt he would be in AEW as a trainer/management
In a lot of ways, Chris Kanyon walked so that many of this current generation can run.
I am a bisexual guy. I have been fortunate enough to have been accepted by many people. In this day and age, people are a lot less homophobic and biphobic than they once were. Although I'm only 19 years old and have only been out for 4 years, I have not experienced a lot of prejudice against me (at least not in person). Still, I have experienced occasional remarks that I have found quite hurtful. I shouldn't let them bother me as much, but I have struggled with depression for years, and sometimes something like that can really send you into a spiral.
So for me to imagine what it was like for Chris Kanyon is impossible. Even I, a bisexual teen who has been lucky enough to be generally accepted, has experienced prejudice and let it get the better of me. So imagine what it was like for him, a gay man, in that day and age. I really wish things could have gone differently for him. May he Rest In Peace.
I'm a look at this one! get ready to have Ric flair buried some more in this doc coming up.
Thank you Jason
I've grown really fond of Cena over the years, but his burial of Kanyon was truly awful and repulsive
one of Chris kanyon`s best matches was when he was part of the jersey triad vs Chris benoit and perry saturn
Shit was 🔥
Cena said you needed to be able to wrestle and entertain the fans, and Chris wasn't good enough at the later for the WWE back then. So did Ric Flair. If people are pissed at people for having that opinion they need to get over themselves.
People need to look back at that 2001-2005 roster. That’s one of the greatest rosters ever, kanyon just wasn’t that great or ahead of 10 guys.
@@heyyo7431 clearly you didn't watch Kanyon if you actually believe that.
@@MrDp115 Answer this, was kanyon better than Kurt angle, Brock lesnar, Eddie Guerrero, Undertaker, Steve Austin, Jericho, Benoit, RVD, Edge, The rock, The Hardy’s. That’s names off of the top of my head. Was he better than those guys?
@@MrDp115 the problem is alot of us did watch him and he was a middle card guy. Just because his friends hyped him up doesn't change the facts
@@heyyo7431 let me ask you a question first, when was he ever able to prove himself? In the ring and/or on the mic?
Who's better than Kanyon?? NOBODY RIP Chris 💔
If you ever thought you had it bad in life...then just take a look @ the hand poor Kanyon was dealt (if only he was born ten or 15 years sooner than he was, he probably would have felt more accepted...poor guy was born in the wrong era)
I've always heard rumors that Kanyon committed suicide due to Orlando Jordan's gimmick in TNA (Surprised they didn't bring that up). Though if I were a gay man wanting to be a positive role model for kids like me only to see someone within the same community as me not only take my spot (Even if it's in another company) but portray his character in a matter that arguably did more harm than help tot he community you want to help, I wouldn't exactly feel peachy, either. They've kinda touched upon the "Triple H, ask Vince why he fired me"/"Shawn, pray for my gay soul!" incident if only slightly. Kinda wished we had a Kanyon/Nova match. Anyway... *hold peace sign* Rest in Peace.
My mom always said he was gay or bi before anyone new .
Anyone thinks this might be the last season of Dark Side of the Ring? After all of these episodes and how these wrestlers are getting attacked, I’m not sure if there will be another season.
“The match is only about 9-10min”.
The Weekenders taught me that skulls are always cool.
Lol people really be defending people they dont know I dont know any of these people even Kanyon and HES DEAD
I'm with Solo, i thought he was just some guy, I didnt realize what a reportoire he had. He was an innovator. I didn't about all his issues. Man he could flip out, but I get it, he wasnt right mentally. He was gay and always felt out of place. By the way what Flair and Cena did to thos mentally ill guy makes me sick. Flair we know has character issues, but I've lost a measure of respect for Cena too.
Such a loss when Chris left this world. I so wished he had come out as gay so much earlier and maybe such a great guy would still be with us. I hope you are at peace dear friend . Love you always.❤️
This was a very sobering episode of Dark Side of the Ring. Chris Kanyon had a difficult life and it is a tragic tale. That being said, it is hard to sympathize with someone who goes from being kind to wanting to choke you to death.
Furthermore, I find it funny yet ludicrous how some fans are actually trying to Cancel The Undertaker as well as John Cena for their thoughts on Kanyon. As if given a harsh opinion is worth removing someone from their legacy in the business? Smh these crackheads will always find something to complain about.
Also, I agree with Solomonster that Howard Stern is known for stirring the pot and trying to start crap. What's ironic is the Howard Stern today is a shell of his former self.
My friend still listens to Howard. He's more upset than he takes random vacations for months at a time without telling anyone.
@@TheSolomonster I can understand why he is frustrated then LOL 😅
How many fans and who *exactly* is trying to “cancel” the Undertaker?
If people are voicing their reaction to his involvement with the Kanyon/Boy George angle by voicing their disappointment or disproval or whatever, honestly…who gives a fuck? It’s free speech. Ditto the Cena and Flair Howard Stern stuff.
I guarantee you none of those dudes careers are destroyed because, what, a few *hundred* to maybe a few *thousand* people voiced a negative reaction to the controversy online out of millions?
In a roundabout way you’re boogeymanning and demonizing what essentially amounts to *other* people just expressing their disavowal/disproval and disagreeing with you. Not everybody has to agree and have the same reaction to things as you do.
@@cjaquilino When did I do that? Demonizing for expressing an opinion? You are aware that I never said anyone has to agree with me right? And I agree with you on the free speech part so I don't know why you sound like I'm doing something wrong.
No need to get defensive my man.
@@cjaquilino Pretty much this. I think what this boils down to is Cena & Taker being more beloved by the fans & so when they get called out on past shitty behaviour, people tend to engage in a bit of mental gymnastics to defend them. People who use nonsense terms like "cancelled" sound like a fucking adolescent, it's called being held to account & taking responsibility for your past actions. I love Steve Austin for example, but I can acknowledge that he was P.O.S to Debra.
Mortise mask reminds me of gravedigger
I never liked Ric Flair. I thought he was overrated. Though his matches with Ricky steamboat would have to be my favorite matches of Ric Flair. John Cena on the other hand. I don't really understand how he can make any comments or judge Chris Kanyon. Chris was wrestling way before anyone even knew who John Cena was. So, the fact that Chris Kanyon was only in WWE for a few years. How can Cena even make any comments about Chris Kanyon not being good enough. I did not think John Cena was all that great either. Personally, i think he was a rip off of the rock. Though the Rock is way better at his promos than John Cena and a better entertainer by far. Not saying that John Cena did not have any good matches, but he was not nearly as good as he is made out to be. John Cena was another one of Vince Mcmahon's Stooges.
Mortis was supposed to be a mix of Reptile and Scorpion.
The whole Canceling crap has been so bastardized.
That's the only problem I have
There's no "canceling" You only fall victim to it, if you feed into. Ironically sometimes the ones that complain most about "canceling " are the ones who keep the controversy alive
@@mrx2089 I would just go by what Mike Muir from the Legendary Suicidal Tendencies would say "And if I offended you
Oh, I'm sorry but maybe you need to be offended
But here's my apology and one more thing, fuck you!"
Simple and effective 😊
My fave thing about Kanyon is he'd wear a Mets or rangers hat to the ring....
I was glad they covered this. I just felt it was rushed. Enjoyed it overall though. That boy George piece, with context now is just distasteful and crude.
Does John Cena really thinks that he got his status because he is "any good" or because he got overpushed to the moon since WWE was deprived of superstars after Rock, Austin, Lesnar, Goldberg and Hogan all left? Never been a more overrated guy in the business that tanked the ratings and still gets treated as he was a big deal
Who betta than Kanyon?
I’m actually not even going to blame flair for this and I’m glad he did come forward and apologize. This was all Vince McMahon. Ric Flair was Vince McMahon‘s messenger and I think it’s because Vince McMahon is a homophobic person who also hates Southerners. I actually don’t know where understand why Vince actually treated Ric Flair with respect because that’s the only person that was a WCW legend that Vince McMahon ever treated with any respect. This is another reason why I don’t respect today’s WWE fans. No one says anything good about the company or events but every Monday night they are in front of a live audience. The WWE fans are actually the ones that can bring the castle crumbling down if they would all just stop supporting that bullshit.
he wants to come and say sorry after the man is dead it's too late.
This is so sad
Take care of yourself guys
Mortis vs Undertaker!
good review
Not entertaining? The whole Positively Kanyon run kills that statement.
If he didn't get fired for not being entertaining or being gay, then why did he get fired???? Cena/Flair were right, dumbass WWE releases talented guys all the time, claiming they weren't "Over".
Asked Vince that question
Backstage politics can ruin the careers of perfectly fine wrestlers.
You have people like Orlando Jordan (one of the most mediocre WWE wrestlers) win the US title the same year Kanyon, Ultimo Dragon and Rhyno got fired.
There are really weird backstage unwritten rules that decide your career, even when you're good at your job and try your best. And being a WCW guy who got hurt at the worst possible time, gets jobbers over and got hurt again while recovering from an injury won't get you far in WWE.
WHO BETTA
Man, do I wish Kanyon would have hung on just a little bit longer. Just long enough to get proper help for his mental illness. But also more importantly just to see how much society has changed and how being gay is waaaaaaay more accepted today than it was back then. Sure, it still has some work to do. But it has improved by leaps and bounds compared to back then. Nobody should have to suffer or take their life over mental health or self acceptance. I wonder if Chris just didn't really have anyone to talk to that he could confide in over his issues.
I remember that DDP said in the episode the last time he saw Kanyon (roughly a week and a half before he died) he looked at him and he could tell he wasn’t gonna be around for much longer and James Mitchell said he started calling Chris multiple times a day for around two weeks and he just wouldn’t answer his phone and the reason they found his body that day was that Chris’s younger brother Ken became concerned because apparently Chris had stopped answering his phone calls about a day or so before and given his history of suicide attempts went over to his apartment to check on him and found him dead (not only did he have a mix of antidepressants and bipolar medication in his system) but the medical examiner said that he had been dead at least 12 hours prior to his body being found on April 2nd around 6:00 a.m. local time so as much as it sucks that he’s gone I don’t think anything short of locking him in a mental hospital would’ve stopped him from killing himself and even then I’m sure he would’ve found some way to do it
John Cena was on Howard Stern talking about how kanyon there was no good don't talk crazy amount of shit about him
No, Mortis is supposed to be Scorpion due to the skull/Skeleton deal (despite him wearing green).
Ummm...the company that employed David Flair,Tom McGhee and frickin' Terry Taylor is going to have someone call in and tell someone they aren't "entertaining"? Cut me a break!
Or I don't know Jason maybe he just didn't fit in with what the company was looking for at the time... Steve Austin didn't fit in WCW....
This episode was just his friends hyping him up to the point DDP calling mortis a great gimmick lol. Here is a guy that was violent and abusive while according to his friends he used being gay as a cover to blame others and even lied about why he was fired from wwe. At one point they said no one has anything bad to say about Kanyon then telling us how he almost killed his "best friend". We all watched him live and he was an OK low middle card guy but never was going to be more then that. If he wasn't gay Kanyon would of been the bad guy of the episode
@@lew115 how?
@@mramos1126 Somebody must have been offended by your comment. Welcome to the Internet
Ric Flair is just a snake. That's another reason Bret Hart is better than him. John Cena and Ric Flair are just company men. They weren't saying anything homophobic or antigay, but they're company men.
He gave an opinion simple like holy shhhh cant have an opinion anymore
I liked Kanyon, but I thought he was a mid carder... some of my favorite wrestlers though I always thought would be a mid carder. I was a HUGE CM Punk fan when I first saw him in ECW but also thought he'd be a mid carder.
The episode didn't really make Kanyon a sympathetic figure. He seemed like another in a long line of wrestling assholes with drug issues. Except that they try to use him being gay as a sympathetic thing as if it covers. Then you got DDP and friends overblowing how great he was. Like saying Mortis was the coolest mask gimmicks ever. Dude just came off as a normal wrestling asshole, but they wrapped it up in a isn't it sad he's gay.
Bro, Kanyan could’ve been one of the best faces ever bro.
@@Eagles2020 I don’t know about that but hey that’s your opinion and I respect it.
@@beengreat8014 you don’t watch a lot solomonster I take it?
What a shallow interpretation. Like they aren't tryin to use him being gay as if it was unrelated to what was happening. Him being gay plus his bipolar disorder plus his cte (which isn't discussed in this dsotr episode but I imagine wasn't helping) all feed into his mood swings and bad behavior. Does it absolve him of sin or something? No. But his actions after getting help for his bipolar and coming out of the closet aren't like violent so maybe that means that its a bit more complex than just another "wrestling asshole with drug issues." Also the only consistent drugs I'm seeing talked about in this episode and else were shit like Antidepressants or Sleeping pills aka things he took when he committed suicide and tried to commit suicide
@@codybennett6420 He blamed others for his own failures. People call Cena a Phony but kanyon Is a saint? Yea ok.