Either City treble, United treble, or Chelsea 04\05 the Arsenal invincible is the most overrated team in history(AC Milan, Juventus and Bayer Leverkusen this season could very well end up Invincible) So Invincible seasons aren`t special nor are their all that rare. if you wanna argue that the PL is the best league in the world, fair that is true in the modern day, but it wasn`t when Arsenal where Invincible. the iconic argument is weird, because it`s purely based on nostalgia, obviously United`s 99 team, or the Invinicble team will benefit from having players who are now considered icons of the league in their teams. But like i don`t want it to happen, but if the current Arsenal team wins the CL, then that is more significant then the Invincible team as it`s a feat the Invincible team never managed and they would be doing it in the current day, but like Rice or Saliba or something wouldn`t be considered icons of football if they won one CL with Arsenal.
@thetruth4654 Your argument has a few holes. 1. How many teams have been unbeaten vs. how many teams have done the treble? In the top 5 leagues, more teams have done the treble, so technically, being invincible is more special based on stats, not feelings, even if Leverkusen join them this season. 2. An argument can be made that the Premier league from 2002-2009 was the best league in the world alongside Serie A. While Serie A had Milan and Inter, the Prem had United, Chelsea, Arsenal all fighting it out and making deep runs in the Champions league. So, the Invincibles shouldn't be discredited there. 3. Arsenal winning the Champions League this year would be as significant as the Invincibles (coming from an Arsenal fan) since it's the first, but this team won't be considered better than the Invincibles. Why? That's easy. Do you consider Chelsea's 2021 Champions league winning team better than the Invincibles or Man City's Centurions? Or do you consider Real Madrid 22 CL winning side better than Jose's 100-point Madrid team. Team success is one thing, but football isn't just stats. We watch it ourselves and see the stuff that stats don't show. Ask a Madrid fan, which side they would say was better Jose's vs 22 they would laugh and say Jose's no hesitation because they were just better. The personnel was better, they played better football etc. Same with the Invincibles If I had to make a combined squad of Arsenal today(assuming the win the CL) vs the Invincibles, the Invincible would dominate no questions asked. So, back to your original point of which Prem team is the best, it's more than just the points total and trophy haul. Thr treble City winning side didn't play in a strong European Cup. Madrid was the only decent side they beat. PL wasn't as good with Liverpool crumbling, hell, they even lost to Brentford TWICE. All I'm saying is that it's not clear cut, and the Invincibles deserve to be up there in the discussion as the best team the Prem ever saw.
The greatest PL team of all time is the City team of 18/19. (The season after they did the centurions) That team won all 3 domestic Cups and won the league with 98 points. They lost in the CL vs Spurs due to VAR ruling out a sterling last minute goal in the CL. That team had 2 XI's that could genuinely win the league, ive never seen anything like it. Ederson Cancelo Stones Laporte Zinchenko David Silva Fernandinho KDB Foden Aguero Sterling Steffan Walker Kompany Otamendi Mendy Gundogan Delph Bernardo Silva Mahrez Gabriel Jesus Leroy Sane
Yes, this is the best City team and arguably the best team in PL history. They had too much depth and too many ways of hurting the opposition. Control, x factor, elite quality and depth, and everybody at their arguable best, all in this team. Also, its kinda funny that nobody mentions 07/08 United, who are also very high on the best PL teams list. I think the teams shouldn't just be judged on trophies, because it doesn't always reflect on quality, and its a boring conversation anyway. 18/19 City team is way more scary than the treble winning City team, despite not winning the Champions League.
@@AravindNair-gq7fj Couldn't have said it better. For me the 07/08 team is superior to the United treble winning team. Not as big of an achievement, but there were a much better team. City Formidables 18/19 Liverpool 18/19 United 07/08 Arsenal Invincibles Chelsea 04/05
@@lionelsheja6381 good list. 18/19 Pool is heavily underrated. That whole year they had 103 points off a possible 105. I think that is one of the most incredible achievements ever. Salah, Mane, VVD, Alisson, Robertson, Trent all at their peak. Henderson having his best season, Wijnaldum very promising and Fabinho arguably the best DM in the world at that time. They were outstandingly consistent and literally unbeatable.
@@AravindNair-gq7fj I think you're talking about 19/20. Which is really underrated, and they were phenomenal. And I agree that trophies shouldn't be the only measure to judge these teams. Like City winning the treble, the level of European football had fell a level. In 18/19, the level at which Liverpool and other clubs were playing was phenomenal. Them missing out narrowly vs Spurs shouldn't exclude them from this list.
The way how they are downplaying and trivializing City's treble, you would never think it was only done once in 25 years since Man Utd's. And Turkish's idea that Utd's one is better because they had more trouble facing teams is silly because you are basically holding city's superiority against them. The fact that Man Utd won the league then with 79 points is not because the other teams in the league were so good.
@@Sproles11 Everyone talks about Man United beating the mighty Juventus as if they didn't finish 7th in Serie A that year and drew 5 of their games in the ucl group stage
@@martinzaya7678 As an Arsenal fan who really dislikes Manchester United, United 99 did beat amazing teams to win their treble in EVERY competition. When you are up against a team with players like Zidane, Edgar Davids, Conte, Deschamps, Inzaghi,etc... and managed by Carlo Ancelotti in a CL semi final in a total knife-edge of a tie that could have gone either way, you best believe it was epic stuff.
@@martinzaya7678 so true. Someone else in these comments was talking about the iconic teams they beat and included juve and inter milan. They finished 7th and 8th
It's not superiority, it's others inferiority. City had basically had it easy for the past five years as bar Liverpool (and Arsenal this year), all the other major contenders have been in disarray.
Poor Real Madrid? Poor Bayern team? City beat the champions league holding Madrid. A Bayern team that won the treble a few seasons ago. They also didn’t just beat them they absolutely demolished them. The 4-0 against Real is one of the best performances in European history.
@@menelikkwhite2087 so its not the best Real team of all time, it was still the champions league holders it still had the balondor winner in benzema and world class players like vinicius courtois modric kroos
Have u seen any of the opponents that man united faced at champoins league in that treble go watch it Italian giants like juventus and more with world class players spanish giants like real madrid, bayern munchen and as roma with deadly players ac milan
@@matrixmdog its laughable making the Real Madrid argument. that team was aging and crap at that point. It was on in a rebuild stage. Even that team wasn't even better than the real Madrid 1998/99
These guys are traumatized by City. You talk about not losing a game or least goals conceded, City's centurions literally rewrote the record book. Most points ever, most goals scored, goal difference and almost every attacking record broken.
Always funny to me how Chelsea get so much love for having the best defensive record in PL history but City never get any love for having the best attacking record in PL history
@@woah4288 City are gonna beat those 115 charges and sue those responsible for these allegations. What then are you gonna say when your club can't keep up? Food for thought buddy. I have one that's Liverpool's and Klopp's favorite. 'We've Burned Out'. ☠️
Icons are made overtime, so it’s an unfair point for both Liverpool and Man City sides. They’ll be immortalised overtime when those players have retired. These guys are also all in their 30/40’s so the rose-tinted glasses and nostalgia runs their takes as well.
@@Dean-vn8tn this era of football would thrash that era. Man Utd could win the league with 75 points and Arsenal's invincible won the league with 90 points whereas Liverpool couldn't win the league with 92 points and 97 points.
@@arush8133 that's cause the teams back then were much better so you had to have less teams thia era just has pace and power that era had mad tech and would beat most teams
@@Dean-vn8tn discipline of today's football will always beat tech. Football has not stopped producing aesthetically pleasing footballers but they've been neutralised by coach's tactics. If nani were to play today he'd be exactly where Doku is, good against Bournemouth and nothing against big organised teams
@@aufwiederzane and City 3-peat and TREBLE didnt have any pressure either in similar manner as Man UTD 99..City was doing things other teams have done. So, no pressure. The entire British football was looking at Man uTD to do the unthinkable in an era of real football. In fact, City didnt win EPL, Arsenal lost it. And who did City actually beat in the TREBLE run? Worst Madrid, Bayern etc. Man UTD was going into UEFA games as underdogs, while City was the team to beat in each round of UEFA. Its clearly Man UTD of 99 that did the unthinkable.
City's centurion team would have been a stronger shout than the treble team, to be honest. In terms of assigning a unique achievement to each team, 100 points should have been City's one.
City's team that won the 3 domestic cups and won the league with 98 points in 18/19 season was better than the Centurions. I'm a City fan but don't forget City were battered by a pre Alison and VVD Liverpool in the CL quarter finals in the centurion year, and lost in the 4th round Vs Wigan in FA Cup.
@@mrhussain9008Perception often weighs more than reality in these types of discussions. For example, as an Arsenal fan, I think the 97/98 double-winning team was better than the Invincibles. However, the Invincibles achieved something that hasn’t been done till this day and for this reason, they are the ones that get mentioned. I hear the argument about the City team that won 3 domestic cups, but we know the wider public (besides City fans) would only acknowledge the treble-winning team and centurions due to the weight of their achievement. My argument here is there’s only one 100-point team, and that would have made the conversation more interesting. Makes sense?
@@Amedu_1 both of them did something that no one's ever done aka winning 3 domestic trophies and 100 points. The centurions Got battered 3-0 in a CL quarter finals against Karius Liverpool is not good they even lost in the return leg at Etihad and were dominated in both games. I genuinely can't remember a single big game in 18/19 season where City didnt dominate. Also, don't forget City's back four was walker Otamendi Stones Delph for the centurions. Kompany was injured the whole season. In a hypothetical alternative world The 18/19 team would beat that City team imo.
Now I see why they pick themselves and no city fan….. these man are so entitled and never wanted other teams to come up 😂😂😂 making city treble like it’s nothing
Mad to think that City treble, City Formidables (Never been done like the Invincibles but with 4 trophies) and City Centurions are 3 different teams... Lol!! At some point you got just have to accept they are the best ever PL side we have seen, or at least the most dominant. If they get 4 in a row what are we gonna say then? ooh 115? lol, it's done...
People always clap back to 115 to mask the failures of their clubs coz they couldn't keep up😂😂😂. Pretty pathetic. They don't even know the meaning of charges.😂
@@AGE_97 Let every team have 115 charges with all the financial doping then with all of City's advantages vanishing and then we will see who ''couldn't keep up'' with all things being equal. Man is talking like a doping Lance Armstrong taunting his competition over how they cannot keep up. No shit dude, you are cheating to stay ahead.
@@Dualshock911 Facts aren't salty. They just say it how it is. And 115 FC have cheated massively to stay ahead of the competition. Whilst Pep had a world class squad to win with and rotate with to keep his key men fresh without a drop off inquality, man like Klopp had to make do James Milner and Jordan Henderson in his midfield for years and years, even now he is trying to win trophies with a bunch of kids in his starting XI because of all the injuries. Pep could never as shown by his team falling to pieces whenever Rodri is not playing.
@@ciaranoconnell4783 Until the are proven guilty you're literally just being salty. Coz you factually don't know they have cheated, you hope they have so you can spout this kind of nonsense. It's sad.
Let’s be real, city have about 3 teams better than everyone else. Centurions, Fourmidables and the treble winning team. No team would have beat city over two legs last year
@@Lucky-ll2cv that's isn't what he said tho, u putting words on his mouth. Obviously [ klopp Liverpool ] is one best Liverpool side ever but its fair to say the invincible was better.
The reason City Treble is better than UTD is coz we all knew how good a team City were. Expected it and they achieved it. Utd was a surprise. The team expected is obviously better. Just logic...
Well the manager that did it by graduating 7 academy players into the first team did a better job, and played against prime Juve, Barcelona and Bayern Munich. Your fabricated club did it by beating a dead Munich and octogenarian Real Madrid with 37 year old starters in their team. Congratulations though.
I think the biggest black mark against Manchester City's treble is that there wasn't a WOW factor, more like a cold inevitability about it with an underlying feeling of what took you so long? Vincent Kompany was talking about achieving a treble 10 years. Trebles aren't supposed to be expected. That was hurts/kills City's treble the most for fans everywhere, chuck around money at it, hire the best manager in the world and eventually it will happen.
@@ciaranoconnell4783 You're talking about how it feels, that's subjective. The best team is not a feeling, it's just the best team. If you're talking about which achievement made you feel a certain way then it becomes subjective. If you watched that City game against Real Madrid and didn't think "Wow", regardless of how you feel about City then there is something wrong... The F.A cup final was historic against a derby rival, they were invincible in the CL??? C'mon...
United get a better call in the 2008 FA Cup and Fergie has 2 trebles. But you don’t hear United fans weep about it every week about an “almost treble”.
You can’t compare eras. Football has changed so much. 2 up top to 1 up top. Fullbacks changed. CB roles changed. Even away goals & the UEFA competitions changed. VAR. How can you compare eras? One team plays with away goals, one without. One with flying fullbacks, one without etc. etc.
One thing history will tell us in 20 25 years is that one team got 100 points won all four domestic trophies same team won the treble and won 5 league trophies n six years
Rivals will never acknowledge this but those Liverpool and Man city teams are the greatest English teams ever. They'll come with bias tho just wait till someone replies you'll see
This is a real fact. I admit that I have not been watching football since 1990 or 2000. But in the past 15 years which EPL team has been this consistent in the Champions League before the Klopp-Pep era. Just to give you facts Real Madrid has won 14 times and all EPL teams combined have won 15 times in the Champions League.
😅😅😅😅well they put city treble second what's wrong with that? Everyone kinda expected city to win it unlike united where they started the seoson poorly till December 98 that's when everything clicked and became good so I don't see why it should be that difficult
@samkelorashuza5949 The "cheating" has nothing to do with the teams performance, just about sponsorship deals. There are teams who have spent more in the same time but since they have more fans in Shanghai it's okay. This isn't a good system
You say that but Liverpool were one point off only two seasons later. If not for the COVID 4 month break ruining momentum they may have actually broken it. It definitely could happen again.
@@hsiang7 But the same thing can be said of two teams who only lost 1 game in Chelsea and Liverpool. Liverpool probably even more impressive if you factor in that they lost to possibly the greatest English team of all time in Man city. If you look at it that way the invincibles can be done again as well
@@hsiang7 and that was a damn near perfect Liverpool that also had the ‘Invincible’ run till it collapsed right at the end but i do understand your sentiment
if its so easy now because there is so much money please can a team do it?? I think we never appreciate this city team for what ever reason but posterity will definitely respect them !!!!!!!
I'm an arsenal fan and I understand it may be a bit biased..... But, winning the premier League and not losing a single game, in the best league in the world. I understand the treble is the best accomplishment, but, when it comes to the premier League. It has to be the best. They are invincible. I know everyone will mention the draws, but, invincible. It's madness. I know there will be replies, but, zero loses. It's mad to say. Just my opinion and I understand all the treble calls, but, it's crazy to think of 38 game and 0 loses. 😲 Loving the content. Keep it coming.
As a united fan ,I would say the greatest united side was the 2008 team who won the double and Sir Alex also agrees with that.The greatest city team is the 100 points team and the 98 points team and not the treble winning team
disagree...tht team lacked versatality.....especially in the UCL.....they failed to adapt to different situations...played one way and got outdone by a lotta teams....the league they dominated...but id say tht they r better now....coz they don t hve to exert themselves too much in every game....but in the major ones....they will take a 1-0 win....in comparison to just blasting opponents every time...if it means winning....they r more effective and efficient.....thn playing the beautiful football....city at times in different seasons would blast opps away but lose at anfield and old trafford even at their pomp....they now fend better thn they dd in previous years......
@@cloudyjdiketso8750 City never got outplayed in the CL. They went out on away goals against Spurs after Llorente scored with his hand. They went out to Liverpool after Salah scored from an offside, Jesus scored and it was given offside when it wasn't, clear penalty on Sterling by Robertson, clear handball in the box from Milner, and Sane given offside for a goal he scored when he wasn't offside at all. They were better in 17-19
Covid is the only thing that stopped 19/20 Liverpool from getting about 105 points and becoming the undisputed best ever Prem team. Record of 27-1-1 prior to a 3 month long break that killed momentum; 5-2-2 record after. Unpresedented terms that should be taken into account.
The problem with going with points tally is that treble winners have to balance Europe up until the final so naturally, they won’t always have the highest points tally
Turkish...who did City get through in the UCL? Umm, Bayern and Real Madrid...the two favorites of the entire tournament outside of City. The invincible season was not that great....you drew what, like 12 games? Arsenal failed to win nearly 1/3 of their games that season. How is that so impressive?
centurions not only broke the record for most wins (100), they also broke the record for most goals in a season (106) and also the largest goal differential ever (79) and also the largest winning point margin ever (19 points ahead of 2nd place). the centurions are the greatest ever premier league side.
"City's treble was on the cards" Imao. This is exactly why City 22/23 is the best team PL has ever seen. Nobody could match us. We destroyed everyone that came to the Etihad. 6-3 Man United 4-1 Arsenal 4-1 Liverpool 4-0 Chelsea 4-2 Spurs 7-0 Leipzig 3-0 Bayern 4-0 Madrid And top of that beating only English treble winning team utd at the fa cup final
Liverpool were also what, two games away from winning the quadruple two seasons ago? Got 99 points to win the league one season, and also lost one game the entire season and got 97 points I believe? They were close to topping THREE of these iconic teams. Almost got more points than the Centurions, almost topped the Treble winning sides, and almost went invincible with more points than the Arsenal side. The only thing separating them is the word "almost". Just like how they lost the league twice by one point, these achievements were only JUST out of reach. But I wouldn't say there was a clear gap between then and ANY of these listed teams and they could definitely beat any of them in a one off game. If it weren't for City beating them to the league twice by one point, that Liverpool team would be considered one of the greatest in Premier League history. It's finishing just short on multiple occasions that puts them down the list unfortunately.
Liverpool 19-20 isn’t even Liverpool’s best team. The 18-19 team was better. The only team to accumulate 90+ points and win the UCL in the same season.
@@aymanhaque6936 that team gets heavily overlooked cause they didn't won the quadruple I was there man as an Arsenal fan and Liverpool were absolutely fucking vicious that season
That Liverpool team took 106 out of 108 points across the end of 18/19 season and covid. Thats 35 wins and one draw. Also winning the Champions league, super cup and club world cup in That time. Have we ever seen anyone come close to this? Thats two record win streaks with a draw at old trafford inbetween. Done in the ERA of «the greatest team of all time» and beat Barcelona and messi 4-0 at Anfield. For me will always be number one
That conversation is too difficult for rivals. They have too much bias to accept that those Liverpool and Man city sides are the greatest English teams of all time. They'll say this era is weak. The greatest era in terms tactics is the weakest era btw. We Liverpool fans will always know@@bri1085
Madness putting Invincible about Chelsea above a treble 😂 Arsenal fans holding this invincibles too high! Yeah, it’s not been done since but the level of football in the league is harder… the fact they throw 6 teams out each year as potential title contenders… they won the prem that’s it!
Have to love the Chelsea, Arsenal and United fans in these reminiscing about the good old days of their favorite era of when they were actually relevant and claiming that was peak English football while simultaneously limiting every discussion to "in the premier league era" to make themselves more relevant.😂
As an Arsenal fan Liverpool winning the league was massive because it been so long. For a massive legendary club to win after 30 years is huge. The pressure was huge. Still last on the list but dont downplay it
The United treble side was the best English side. What they overcame against absolute quality opposition was insane. The European sides they had to beat in the champions league was sick
I have been watching football for more than 15-20 years. Obviously, as Flex told at the end trophies count but in the year 2021-22 for any English club in the year they can play a possible 63 games. Liverpool played all 63 games winning the FA Cup and Carabao Cup, reaching the Champions League final with 14 times Champions League winner playing their best game till now in finals losing 1-0 and just losing by 1 point to the Premier League champions Manchester City (Stronger both financially and squad value). This is as close as the English team had ever reached so as a Liverpool fan that was my golden time but the result of those games, the 2022-23 season an injury-hit, fatigued, aging midfield and did not even qualify for Champions League 23/24 since 2015-16.
For me: 1 - Chelsea 2 - Arsenal 3 - City 4 - United 5 - Liverpool Although I think that Liverpool side beats everyone of those teams in a one off game.
Could argue United 08 is better than 99. Could argue City Centurians better than their treble. Could argue Arsenal double winners 98 better than Invincibles. And Could argue Liverpool 18/19 better than 19/20.
Liverpool 2019-2024 3 UCL Finals 3 PL title races till last Matchday 1 Europa Final Multiple Domestic cup finals 21/22 season- 2 goals away from a Quadruple Massively disrespected
United treble the greatest team in English football no doubt about that invincibles is a very good achievement also Chelsea's 15 goal Liverpool 19/20 was also one the great team very quick counter attacks with the atmosphere they have got it was electric before the lockdown city's treble is just a tainted one
Honestly, Its Man City number. I mean it has to be. We had everything: Size, technical ability, Tactical fluidity, squad depth... we had the best defence in Europe and the best attack in Europe. We could come from behind in games too but we hardly needed to because we dominated every game in the run in. We should be number 1 because we simply were the best at everything
City and Liverpool are one and two because they got the most points 100 for City and 99 for Liverpool. Invincibles means nothing and Mourinhos Chelsea team means nothing, the only thing that matters is how much you dominated the league and that’s based on how many points each team gets at the end of a season.
Facts bro. Like what excuse do they have except their opinion of this being the weakest era? Just wait and see. You'll hear them say the current era (the greatest era in terms of knowledge and tactics btw) is the weakest era. Those Liverpool and Man city teams annihilate any previous English teams. Arsenal ain't going invincible with the centurions in the league
You guys got confused between ranking the quality of the teams, and ranking the esteem in which you hold the landmark achievement of each team. Those aren't the same thing.
Winning a treble when you are expected to actually arguably is more difficult because of all the pressure and expectations. And to do it while winning the toughest league where every point counts. Don’t discount pressure and expectations effect, look at what it did to Arsenal last season.
Well I'll say winning a treble while being dog shit from the start of the season (98) till December that year then everything clicks and you start playing good is great achievement while facing some tough teams
United’s treble in 99 is the greatest. The most trophies. Yes they did not go Invincibles but maybe that is because they had to balance Europe with the League?. 3 Trophies > 1
Funny this channel isn’t it? They are having this conversation without a City who would argue that there are 3 great City sides with a one league Liverpool fan. THE CENTURIONS & FOURMIDABLES WOULD RUN RINGS ON ANY TEAM ON THIS LIST
they could run ring on any team except European giants. You cant be a local champ and claim you are a great side. The others are both local champs and European champs. In other words, Fourmidables and centurions did a great job in proving they cant run rings on European giants, but local Huddersfield and Watford.
The centurions might be the greatest English team of all time but they already lost to Liverpool tho. They did run riot at the Etihad not saying you are wrong but even that great team lost at Anfield
@@Sproles11 sure they didnt. And thats why I said in my other post that UTD and City treble winners and Man UTD 08 are the top 3 in any conversation. If they want a top5.. they can select the other two from the rest based on other arguments. Invincibles is a must have given the fact that they didnt lose to no one. The remaining one spot should go to either. Y'all can decide whats more impressive between 100 points (Centurions), 15 goals conceded with 95 points (Chelsea)..99 points with one game lost (Liverpool) or domestic quadruple (City)
The fact that the Liverpool team that finished second behind city is better than the Liverpool side that won the league brings that down to the bottom of the list.(atleast in my opinion)
It’s always good to remember that the invincibles actually lost more games in all comps in that season than Man Utd did in the treble season. They also couldn’t back it up and retain the league
@@tris87don16 49 games unbeaten yet couldn’t defend their title, and as I said lost more games that season than Man Utd’s treble team. Man Utd won the treble then won the league again and again. Arsenal won 1 trophy then couldn’t back it up
I think LFC don't get enough credit with budget they had to build that squad. All the other teams on that list bought World Class players to win their leagues, where Klopps LFC had average players that turned into great players.
Wtf🤣🤣🤣”who did city beat and their games won’t be remembered” they literally annihilated the defending champions of the champions league. They destroyed and caught up to arsenal who were certain of winning. The fucking beat their local rivals in the fa cup in 13 SECONDS!! Stop the hate and accept they are the best
As I was watching, I said the same too. The only thing memorable in City treble is embarrassing Madrid at Etihad. Other than that, I cant even recall the final. Arsenal was certain of winning, what??🤣🤣🤣Nobody was buying that Arsenal would win EPL. A team of kids with no names and man city rejects and a manager with no resume. Regardless of how much gap was there, nobody was buying Arsenal would win the league. There were literally memes everywhere mocking their lead. Team hasnt won the prem in 20 years and yet you claim they were certain to win it. Where did the certainity come from? About man utd, which 13 seconds are you talking about? Didnt Gundogan score the winner in the 50th minute against the worst Man utd team? Part of the reason some people don't rate City's success is the lack of opposition. There is no legendary team competing with Man City..
@@Sproles11 are you for real? The group stage alone was called "the group of death" with Barca and Bayern... Inter Milan Juventus Bayern Inter - R.Baggio, Ronaldo, Zanetti, Zamorano Barcelona - Figo, Rivaldo, Enrqiue Juventus - Zidane, Davids, F.Inzaghi, Deschamps UTD playing final without scholes and captain keane.. All games were all-time classics....
@@benedictadeya8370 dumb dumb it was 10 games to go and arsenal had an 8 point lead. In other seasons that team would have been claimed to be certain of winning it despite who they are. Lol the question was what memorable thing came out of city’s treble. I mean fucking scoring in 13 SECONDS is memorable bro. Didn’t they beat Bayern Munich? Then the defending champions. The fact they even clawed their way back to their 5th prem in 6 years after arsenals start is worth noting bro. Apart from solskesrs moment I can’t recall another memorable moment from United’s treble and it goes without saying man city would destroy that team
Man these lot must hate city the bias here is through the roof , city won the domestic treble the treble only team to 100 points and they could be the only team to win 4 in a row
its not the same team mate. the Balon DOR contender in the treble winning team was never there in the domestic treble or centurion or the 4 titles in a row.
@@benedictadeya8370 You’re saying it won’t count as City winning 4 in a row because some of their players have changed over the 4 year period? ….you slow?
@@TP-pq9xx I dont even get your stand here. The entire discussion is about legendary teams in specific single seasons. For example, they were talking of Man UTD treble winning team in 1998/99 season only. What they did before or after doesnt really count in this argument or rankings. My point is that, somebody cant bring the argument of 4 -peat which is won in 4 different seasons in this discussion. Winning a 4-peat definitely counts for Man City as a club..but doesnt count for the treble-winning team..some of the players like Haaland werent there entirely for the 4-peat. Simple..you slow?
Rory saying liverpools title win is "just another title win like Leicesters" is genuinely brain dead. Leicesters will never ever be beaten as the greatest sporting achievement ever...liverpool won a title, whoopedy-do
Between utd treble and city treble Who scored the most? Who conceded the least? Who had the more points? Beating arsenal Chelsea and united in that fa cup campaign. Scoring 4 and 5 against bayern and RM (defending champions and kings of europe) respectively to our way to final. But nostalgia merchants will tell you utd was better. This man city team will score at least 4 on that utd team.
United in 1999 won the league with 79 points and won the CL because a certain Bayern player was too stupid to hit the ball out of his team's box properly. Last season's City side would annihilated that United team. Don't be silly!
City has two of the most dominant and entertaining epl sides winning every single domestic trophy and yet they aren't even considered?? These people just sit and conspire to take city out of these discussions time and time again
All those City teams are nothing without the 115 charges…. And if they are soooooo great, then what is Liverpool? They finished twice only 1 point behind them. One goal changes history and we all know everyone would still shit on Liverpool and not rank them high.
lost a europa league final but got top 4, lost a ucl final finish in top 4, won a ucl and 1 point off, win the prem. legendary run, 1 step further every season.
I’m a Man Utd fan… but the slander on Liverpools 19/20 is an embarrassment. Rory always bangs on about “European silverware” when arguing with Arsenal fans about who the biggest club in London is, and yet forgets Liverpool won 2 pieces of it that same season they also won a premier league title that was wrapped up by January. As for the 04/05 Chelsea team and 19/20 Liverpool team… Liverpool won 1 more trophy BECAUSE OF EUROPEAN SUCCESS. Liverpool had more wins more points more goals scored, and won it in a record amount of time. People don’t pay money to watch Chelsea keep clean sheets all the time. They pay money to be entertained, and Liverpool were far more entertaining in their title winning campaign than Chelsea EVER were. Rory just talks pish, and makes himself sound more and more sillier each and every single time.
This whole conversation was waste of time tbh. The way you guys discredited City's achievements, it's ridiculous. City did the treble on the back of 3 peat. Invincibles in ucl compaign. Beaten mighty bayern, humiliated Real madrid who are the kings of this competition. Defeated united in FA cup final to rewrite this greatest achievement in prem history. And you guys are talking that conceding few goals and being invincibles means more. Absolutely horrific take.
I hate how teams have to have a novel achievement to be in this conversation. I'd say the Man City 18/19 was better than the treble and the Utd 07/08 double team was better than the treble winners
It think all this guys did was just try to ignore that man city won the league with 100points, won the all domestic trophies in another season but of course it doesn't matter because its city
@@FrozenArcher against City. City being a fantastic team doesn’t mean Arsenal did not bottle it. City were extremely underwhelming for a large chunk of the season. Arsenal were on track to be centurions. Then they choked
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Who is the greatest team in Premier League history? Tell us in the comments!
Leicester premier league no doubt about it
Centurions
Either City treble, United treble, or Chelsea 04\05
the Arsenal invincible is the most overrated team in history(AC Milan, Juventus and Bayer Leverkusen this season could very well end up Invincible) So Invincible seasons aren`t special nor are their all that rare.
if you wanna argue that the PL is the best league in the world, fair that is true in the modern day, but it wasn`t when Arsenal where Invincible.
the iconic argument is weird, because it`s purely based on nostalgia, obviously United`s 99 team, or the Invinicble team will benefit from having players who are now considered icons of the league in their teams.
But like i don`t want it to happen, but if the current Arsenal team wins the CL, then that is more significant then the Invincible team as it`s a feat the Invincible team never managed and they would be doing it in the current day, but like Rice or Saliba or something wouldn`t be considered icons of football if they won one CL with Arsenal.
Leicester aside it’s the invincibles
@thetruth4654 Your argument has a few holes.
1. How many teams have been unbeaten vs. how many teams have done the treble? In the top 5 leagues, more teams have done the treble, so technically, being invincible is more special based on stats, not feelings, even if Leverkusen join them this season.
2. An argument can be made that the Premier league from 2002-2009 was the best league in the world alongside Serie A. While Serie A had Milan and Inter, the Prem had United, Chelsea, Arsenal all fighting it out and making deep runs in the Champions league. So, the Invincibles shouldn't be discredited there.
3. Arsenal winning the Champions League this year would be as significant as the Invincibles (coming from an Arsenal fan) since it's the first, but this team won't be considered better than the Invincibles. Why? That's easy. Do you consider Chelsea's 2021 Champions league winning team better than the Invincibles or Man City's Centurions? Or do you consider Real Madrid 22 CL winning side better than Jose's 100-point Madrid team. Team success is one thing, but football isn't just stats. We watch it ourselves and see the stuff that stats don't show. Ask a Madrid fan, which side they would say was better Jose's vs 22 they would laugh and say Jose's no hesitation because they were just better. The personnel was better, they played better football etc. Same with the Invincibles
If I had to make a combined squad of Arsenal today(assuming the win the CL) vs the Invincibles, the Invincible would dominate no questions asked.
So, back to your original point of which Prem team is the best, it's more than just the points total and trophy haul. Thr treble City winning side didn't play in a strong European Cup. Madrid was the only decent side they beat. PL wasn't as good with Liverpool crumbling, hell, they even lost to Brentford TWICE. All I'm saying is that it's not clear cut, and the Invincibles deserve to be up there in the discussion as the best team the Prem ever saw.
The greatest PL team of all time is the City team of 18/19. (The season after they did the centurions)
That team won all 3 domestic Cups and won the league with 98 points.
They lost in the CL vs Spurs due to VAR ruling out a sterling last minute goal in the CL.
That team had 2 XI's that could genuinely win the league, ive never seen anything like it.
Ederson
Cancelo
Stones
Laporte
Zinchenko
David Silva
Fernandinho
KDB
Foden
Aguero
Sterling
Steffan
Walker
Kompany
Otamendi
Mendy
Gundogan
Delph
Bernardo Silva
Mahrez
Gabriel Jesus
Leroy Sane
THANK YOUUUUU
I hated losing to that team by 1 point, but getting 97 points, there's so much you can do.
Yes, this is the best City team and arguably the best team in PL history. They had too much depth and too many ways of hurting the opposition. Control, x factor, elite quality and depth, and everybody at their arguable best, all in this team.
Also, its kinda funny that nobody mentions 07/08 United, who are also very high on the best PL teams list.
I think the teams shouldn't just be judged on trophies, because it doesn't always reflect on quality, and its a boring conversation anyway.
18/19 City team is way more scary than the treble winning City team, despite not winning the Champions League.
@@AravindNair-gq7fj Couldn't have said it better. For me the 07/08 team is superior to the United treble winning team. Not as big of an achievement, but there were a much better team.
City Formidables 18/19
Liverpool 18/19
United 07/08
Arsenal Invincibles
Chelsea 04/05
@@lionelsheja6381 good list. 18/19 Pool is heavily underrated. That whole year they had 103 points off a possible 105. I think that is one of the most incredible achievements ever. Salah, Mane, VVD, Alisson, Robertson, Trent all at their peak. Henderson having his best season, Wijnaldum very promising and Fabinho arguably the best DM in the world at that time. They were outstandingly consistent and literally unbeatable.
@@AravindNair-gq7fj I think you're talking about 19/20. Which is really underrated, and they were phenomenal. And I agree that trophies shouldn't be the only measure to judge these teams. Like City winning the treble, the level of European football had fell a level. In 18/19, the level at which Liverpool and other clubs were playing was phenomenal. Them missing out narrowly vs Spurs shouldn't exclude them from this list.
The way how they are downplaying and trivializing City's treble, you would never think it was only done once in 25 years since Man Utd's. And Turkish's idea that Utd's one is better because they had more trouble facing teams is silly because you are basically holding city's superiority against them. The fact that Man Utd won the league then with 79 points is not because the other teams in the league were so good.
Exactly. And they are acting as if United beat a bunch of amazing teams to win their treble too.
@@Sproles11 Everyone talks about Man United beating the mighty Juventus as if they didn't finish 7th in Serie A that year and drew 5 of their games in the ucl group stage
@@martinzaya7678 As an Arsenal fan who really dislikes Manchester United, United 99 did beat amazing teams to win their treble in EVERY competition. When you are up against a team with players like Zidane, Edgar Davids, Conte, Deschamps, Inzaghi,etc... and managed by Carlo Ancelotti in a CL semi final in a total knife-edge of a tie that could have gone either way, you best believe it was epic stuff.
@@martinzaya7678 so true. Someone else in these comments was talking about the iconic teams they beat and included juve and inter milan. They finished 7th and 8th
It's not superiority, it's others inferiority. City had basically had it easy for the past five years as bar Liverpool (and Arsenal this year), all the other major contenders have been in disarray.
Poor Real Madrid? Poor Bayern team? City beat the champions league holding Madrid. A Bayern team that won the treble a few seasons ago. They also didn’t just beat them they absolutely demolished them. The 4-0 against Real is one of the best performances in European history.
It's not the CR7 level Madrid, but you know this already.
@@menelikkwhite2087 so its not the best Real team of all time, it was still the champions league holders it still had the balondor winner in benzema and world class players like vinicius courtois modric kroos
Have u seen any of the opponents that man united faced at champoins league in that treble go watch it
Italian giants like juventus and more with world class players spanish giants like real madrid, bayern munchen and as roma with deadly players ac milan
Dude they Bayern team literally sacked their manager a week before playing City and they had no Lewandowski. Real Madrid was a good team tbf.
@@matrixmdog its laughable making the Real Madrid argument. that team was aging and crap at that point. It was on in a rebuild stage. Even that team wasn't even better than the real Madrid 1998/99
These guys are traumatized by City. You talk about not losing a game or least goals conceded, City's centurions literally rewrote the record book. Most points ever, most goals scored, goal difference and almost every attacking record broken.
Always funny to me how Chelsea get so much love for having the best defensive record in PL history but City never get any love for having the best attacking record in PL history
But you cheated 😂😂
@woah4288 you were there when City cheated or what?☠️
@@AGE_97 come off it, you don't get accused of 115 different charges if you are completely innocent how naive can you be 💀
@@woah4288 City are gonna beat those 115 charges and sue those responsible for these allegations.
What then are you gonna say when your club can't keep up?
Food for thought buddy.
I have one that's Liverpool's and Klopp's favorite.
'We've Burned Out'. ☠️
Icons are made overtime, so it’s an unfair point for both Liverpool and Man City sides.
They’ll be immortalised overtime when those players have retired.
These guys are also all in their 30/40’s so the rose-tinted glasses and nostalgia runs their takes as well.
Definitely nostalgia is strong with Chelsea, Arsenal and United fans in these debates.
but that's cause this era of football is trash compared to then
@@Dean-vn8tn this era of football would thrash that era. Man Utd could win the league with 75 points and Arsenal's invincible won the league with 90 points whereas Liverpool couldn't win the league with 92 points and 97 points.
@@arush8133 that's cause the teams back then were much better so you had to have less teams thia era just has pace and power that era had mad tech and would beat most teams
@@Dean-vn8tn discipline of today's football will always beat tech. Football has not stopped producing aesthetically pleasing footballers but they've been neutralised by coach's tactics. If nani were to play today he'd be exactly where Doku is, good against Bournemouth and nothing against big organised teams
city's treble side isnt just a treble side, the league win also capped off a three-peat
So did Man Utd in 1999 -2001 they one the three peat after the treble
@@Kamva-nm8bt united in 99 werent thinking about a threepeat, different pressure when its in the same season
@@aufwiederzane and City 3-peat and TREBLE didnt have any pressure either in similar manner as Man UTD 99..City was doing things other teams have done. So, no pressure. The entire British football was looking at Man uTD to do the unthinkable in an era of real football. In fact, City didnt win EPL, Arsenal lost it. And who did City actually beat in the TREBLE run? Worst Madrid, Bayern etc. Man UTD was going into UEFA games as underdogs, while City was the team to beat in each round of UEFA. Its clearly Man UTD of 99 that did the unthinkable.
115 charges though
@@Kamva-nm8bt 1999 started what would BECOME a threepeat, 2001 is when it became a threepeat. City's treble marked off what BECAME a threepeat.
City's centurion team would have been a stronger shout than the treble team, to be honest. In terms of assigning a unique achievement to each team, 100 points should have been City's one.
City's team that won the 3 domestic cups and won the league with 98 points in 18/19 season was better than the Centurions. I'm a City fan but don't forget City were battered by a pre Alison and VVD Liverpool in the CL quarter finals in the centurion year, and lost in the 4th round Vs Wigan in FA Cup.
@@mrhussain9008Perception often weighs more than reality in these types of discussions. For example, as an Arsenal fan, I think the 97/98 double-winning team was better than the Invincibles. However, the Invincibles achieved something that hasn’t been done till this day and for this reason, they are the ones that get mentioned.
I hear the argument about the City team that won 3 domestic cups, but we know the wider public (besides City fans) would only acknowledge the treble-winning team and centurions due to the weight of their achievement. My argument here is there’s only one 100-point team, and that would have made the conversation more interesting.
Makes sense?
@@Amedu_1 both of them did something that no one's ever done aka winning 3 domestic trophies and 100 points. The centurions Got battered 3-0 in a CL quarter finals against Karius Liverpool is not good they even lost in the return leg at Etihad and were dominated in both games. I genuinely can't remember a single big game in 18/19 season where City didnt dominate. Also, don't forget City's back four was walker Otamendi Stones Delph for the centurions. Kompany was injured the whole season. In a hypothetical alternative world The 18/19 team would beat that City team imo.
Now I see why they pick themselves and no city fan….. these man are so entitled and never wanted other teams to come up 😂😂😂 making city treble like it’s nothing
Mad to think that City treble, City Formidables (Never been done like the Invincibles but with 4 trophies) and City Centurions are 3 different teams... Lol!! At some point you got just have to accept they are the best ever PL side we have seen, or at least the most dominant. If they get 4 in a row what are we gonna say then? ooh 115? lol, it's done...
People always clap back to 115 to mask the failures of their clubs coz they couldn't keep up😂😂😂.
Pretty pathetic.
They don't even know the meaning of charges.😂
@@AGE_97 Let every team have 115 charges with all the financial doping then with all of City's advantages vanishing and then we will see who ''couldn't keep up'' with all things being equal.
Man is talking like a doping Lance Armstrong taunting his competition over how they cannot keep up. No shit dude, you are cheating to stay ahead.
@@ciaranoconnell4783you sound salty dude. It’s embarrassing
@@Dualshock911 Facts aren't salty. They just say it how it is. And 115 FC have cheated massively to stay ahead of the competition. Whilst Pep had a world class squad to win with and rotate with to keep his key men fresh without a drop off inquality, man like Klopp had to make do James Milner and Jordan Henderson in his midfield for years and years, even now he is trying to win trophies with a bunch of kids in his starting XI because of all the injuries. Pep could never as shown by his team falling to pieces whenever Rodri is not playing.
@@ciaranoconnell4783 Until the are proven guilty you're literally just being salty. Coz you factually don't know they have cheated, you hope they have so you can spout this kind of nonsense. It's sad.
Centurions. Fourmidables. Treble. All three should be on this list.
How on earth aren’t the centurions on here
Your not a big club, your like psg. Growing up I seen Middlesbrough fucking smash you 8-1 😅😅 that's why no one cares
City Centurions should have been on that list.. Remember City also won the Club World Cup, the most trophies in a season EVER!
Did the centurions win a treble?
What’s the purpose of football leagues and tournaments?
115 forever tainted
I’m sorry mate but nah
@@FountainOfYoot DId Liverpool?
The City team that finished on 98 points is the best
That team was baaad.
Spurs did them dirty.
@@AGE_97beat us with a Var ruling and we won 4 trophies that year
@yunodespair2661 I know man.
That team deserved the Quad.
Pisses me off till date what Var did.
City did a treble with a world cup sandwiched in during the season 🎤🔽
Let’s be real, city have about 3 teams better than everyone else. Centurions, Fourmidables and the treble winning team. No team would have beat city over two legs last year
Yet you’ll say Liverpools Klopp team are not one of the best despite being only one point behind them.
Brentford did the double against them last season.
@@Lucky-ll2cv that's isn't what he said tho, u putting words on his mouth. Obviously [ klopp Liverpool ] is one best Liverpool side ever but its fair to say the invincible was better.
Do you believe the 18/19Man city team is better than the invincibles? If so, why?@@vector_vector__
@-franks3734 Yay!
The reason City Treble is better than UTD is coz we all knew how good a team City were. Expected it and they achieved it. Utd was a surprise. The team expected is obviously better. Just logic...
Well the manager that did it by graduating 7 academy players into the first team did a better job, and played against prime Juve, Barcelona and Bayern Munich. Your fabricated club did it by beating a dead Munich and octogenarian Real Madrid with 37 year old starters in their team. Congratulations though.
I think the biggest black mark against Manchester City's treble is that there wasn't a WOW factor, more like a cold inevitability about it with an underlying feeling of what took you so long? Vincent Kompany was talking about achieving a treble 10 years. Trebles aren't supposed to be expected. That was hurts/kills City's treble the most for fans everywhere, chuck around money at it, hire the best manager in the world and eventually it will happen.
@@FountainOfYootJuventus finished 7th that year lol and Barcelona was nowhere near what they were a fee years before or after 99
@@ciaranoconnell4783 You're talking about how it feels, that's subjective. The best team is not a feeling, it's just the best team. If you're talking about which achievement made you feel a certain way then it becomes subjective. If you watched that City game against Real Madrid and didn't think "Wow", regardless of how you feel about City then there is something wrong... The F.A cup final was historic against a derby rival, they were invincible in the CL??? C'mon...
@@TristanSpowjuve only cared about UCL that 99 seoson that's why many of their elite players were rested in league games when cl game come around
the way how they undermine city's treble season with a prem threepeat is just a joke!!!!!!
Rightly so. The prem win was easy, the fa cup was a breeze and the level of CL teams is the worst in history.
I’ve seen 2️⃣ teams win a tremble only seen one 1️⃣ go 49 Unbeaten so I know who I’m going with no bias 🤣
@@tris87don16 100% facts. Embarrassing to compare these teams with the best team in PL history.
Because it will never be respected 😂
We should have a city fan on the show
There's not a lot of them
Go out and find one
Buvey is just there for the bants and that other one that is on sky is the most boring annoying fan
when u find one, let us know
@@Gunnerman49.plenty in Manchester pal
That Liverpool team get one more point and get 100 and it changes everyone’s perception of it I guarantee
We should have won that on 101 points. Salahs weak shot vs burnley still pisses me off.
Womp Womp
United get a better call in the 2008 FA Cup and Fergie has 2 trebles. But you don’t hear United fans weep about it every week about an “almost treble”.
@@FountainOfYoot what is this?🤣 Its like saying Van Nistelrooy scores that penalty, no invincible for Arsenal.
There’s no ifs buts or maybes
You can’t compare eras. Football has changed so much. 2 up top to 1 up top. Fullbacks changed. CB roles changed. Even away goals & the UEFA competitions changed. VAR.
How can you compare eras? One team plays with away goals, one without. One with flying fullbacks, one without etc. etc.
One thing history will tell us in 20 25 years is that one team got 100 points won all four domestic trophies same team won the treble and won 5 league trophies n six years
This is the hate on City channel tbh
Because of the charges. It just seems fake
@@Trudon yeah, City are the most hated "team" in English football history. The rest of the top 6 just hate each other fans.
Nobody hates city its just Nobody respects them
Cheaters are generally hated
Nobody really hates them it's more Nobody cares about them
Klopp and Guardiola's teams moves to any team in English football history.
Rivals will never acknowledge this but those Liverpool and Man city teams are the greatest English teams ever. They'll come with bias tho just wait till someone replies you'll see
@samkelorashuza5949 these clowns are nostalgia merchants.
Rory: Which team has the most icons?
😂😂😂
Bro is bitter
This is a real fact. I admit that I have not been watching football since 1990 or 2000. But in the past 15 years which EPL team has been this consistent in the Champions League before the Klopp-Pep era. Just to give you facts Real Madrid has won 14 times and all EPL teams combined have won 15 times in the Champions League.
@@samkelorashuza5949 Arsenal fan here but your 100% right those dudes made the league better
Might as well as rename this channel, the CITY HATE
😅😅😅😅well they put city treble second what's wrong with that? Everyone kinda expected city to win it unlike united where they started the seoson poorly till December 98 that's when everything clicked and became good so I don't see why it should be that difficult
@@CpTnotif everyone expected them to win it doesn’t that show how dominant they were wtf are we even talking about anymore
@@CpTnota treble not difficult? U hear yourself?
Cmon city have 3 different teams that will clear the rest of the nostalgia teams
They also have 115 charges
@@Gunnerman49.Does it matter if they cheated?
@@Gunnerman49. and they are also the most successful team of the past 15 years so cry with your shit teams🤣🤣🤣🤣
@pulamicalol man city broke ffp which made made for them by arsenal Liverpool and united and their fans want us to give af it lmaoo😂😂😂😂 cry more
@samkelorashuza5949 The "cheating" has nothing to do with the teams performance, just about sponsorship deals. There are teams who have spent more in the same time but since they have more fans in Shanghai it's okay. This isn't a good system
Centurions probably also doesn’t happen again… astonishing accomplishment
You say that but Liverpool were one point off only two seasons later. If not for the COVID 4 month break ruining momentum they may have actually broken it. It definitely could happen again.
@@hsiang7 But the same thing can be said of two teams who only lost 1 game in Chelsea and Liverpool. Liverpool probably even more impressive if you factor in that they lost to possibly the greatest English team of all time in Man city. If you look at it that way the invincibles can be done again as well
@@hsiang7 and that was a damn near perfect Liverpool that also had the ‘Invincible’ run till it collapsed right at the end but i do understand your sentiment
@@hsiang72 teams have been close to centurions. 2 teams have been close to invincibles. City beat both those teams funnily enough
if its so easy now because there is so much money please can a team do it?? I think we never appreciate this city team for what ever reason but posterity will definitely respect them !!!!!!!
Flex has resorted from telling Liverpool fans all you do is talk about your history, to now just talking about, yes you’ve guessed it, it’s history 😉
I'm an arsenal fan and I understand it may be a bit biased..... But, winning the premier League and not losing a single game, in the best league in the world. I understand the treble is the best accomplishment, but, when it comes to the premier League. It has to be the best. They are invincible. I know everyone will mention the draws, but, invincible. It's madness. I know there will be replies, but, zero loses. It's mad to say. Just my opinion and I understand all the treble calls, but, it's crazy to think of 38 game and 0 loses. 😲 Loving the content. Keep it coming.
As a united fan ,I would say the greatest united side was the 2008 team who won the double and Sir Alex also agrees with that.The greatest city team is the 100 points team and the 98 points team and not the treble winning team
disagree...tht team lacked versatality.....especially in the UCL.....they failed to adapt to different situations...played one way and got outdone by a lotta teams....the league they dominated...but id say tht they r better now....coz they don t hve to exert themselves too much in every game....but in the major ones....they will take a 1-0 win....in comparison to just blasting opponents every time...if it means winning....they r more effective and efficient.....thn playing the beautiful football....city at times in different seasons would blast opps away but lose at anfield and old trafford even at their pomp....they now fend better thn they dd in previous years......
@@cloudyjdiketso8750 City never got outplayed in the CL. They went out on away goals against Spurs after Llorente scored with his hand. They went out to Liverpool after Salah scored from an offside, Jesus scored and it was given offside when it wasn't, clear penalty on Sterling by Robertson, clear handball in the box from Milner, and Sane given offside for a goal he scored when he wasn't offside at all. They were better in 17-19
Covid is the only thing that stopped 19/20 Liverpool from getting about 105 points and becoming the undisputed best ever Prem team. Record of 27-1-1 prior to a 3 month long break that killed momentum; 5-2-2 record after.
Unpresedented terms that should be taken into account.
The problem with going with points tally is that treble winners have to balance Europe up until the final so naturally, they won’t always have the highest points tally
Turkish...who did City get through in the UCL? Umm, Bayern and Real Madrid...the two favorites of the entire tournament outside of City. The invincible season was not that great....you drew what, like 12 games? Arsenal failed to win nearly 1/3 of their games that season. How is that so impressive?
Leipzig also not easy
I think the fact that so many Man United fans work so hard to undercut the Invincibles achievement, that should tell you how massive it was.
Nah it's just trolling you know but as a United fan we know that is a unique trophy to win
1. Man United
2. Arsenal
3. Man City
4. Chelsea
5. Liverpool
centurions not only broke the record for most wins (100), they also broke the record for most goals in a season (106) and also the largest goal differential ever (79) and also the largest winning point margin ever (19 points ahead of 2nd place).
the centurions are the greatest ever premier league side.
From the list:
Manchester City
Manchester United
Invincibles
Liverpool
Chelsea
This is based on achievements by the way. I believe Liverpool 19/20 played better football than any of them.
"City's treble was on the cards" Imao. This is exactly why City 22/23 is the best team PL has ever seen. Nobody could match us. We destroyed everyone that came to the Etihad.
6-3 Man United
4-1 Arsenal
4-1 Liverpool
4-0 Chelsea
4-2 Spurs
7-0 Leipzig
3-0 Bayern
4-0 Madrid
And top of that beating only English treble winning team utd at the fa cup final
Liverpool were also what, two games away from winning the quadruple two seasons ago? Got 99 points to win the league one season, and also lost one game the entire season and got 97 points I believe? They were close to topping THREE of these iconic teams. Almost got more points than the Centurions, almost topped the Treble winning sides, and almost went invincible with more points than the Arsenal side. The only thing separating them is the word "almost". Just like how they lost the league twice by one point, these achievements were only JUST out of reach. But I wouldn't say there was a clear gap between then and ANY of these listed teams and they could definitely beat any of them in a one off game. If it weren't for City beating them to the league twice by one point, that Liverpool team would be considered one of the greatest in Premier League history. It's finishing just short on multiple occasions that puts them down the list unfortunately.
It is what it is. Either you win or find excuses.
Liverpool 19-20 isn’t even Liverpool’s best team. The 18-19 team was better. The only team to accumulate 90+ points and win the UCL in the same season.
Liverpool 2021/22 was also great, they were so close to winning a Quadruple
Same with the man city treble
@@aymanhaque6936 that team gets heavily overlooked cause they didn't won the quadruple I was there man as an Arsenal fan and Liverpool were absolutely fucking vicious that season
I’ve been an Arsenal fan for almost 30 years and personally, the ‘98 double winning side was better than The Invincibles!
So is the 01/02 season
And 07/08 United team is better than the treble winners.
@@abhirammsd3728 Yeah I think so too!
That Liverpool team took 106 out of 108 points across the end of 18/19 season and covid. Thats 35 wins and one draw. Also winning the Champions league, super cup and club world cup in That time. Have we ever seen anyone come close to this? Thats two record win streaks with a draw at old trafford inbetween. Done in the ERA of «the greatest team of all time» and beat Barcelona and messi 4-0 at Anfield. For me will always be number one
The real list:
1.utd treble
2.City treble
3.Mourihno Chelsea
4.Invincibles
5.Liverpool
Invincibles second
Liverpool were the most dominate should be top
That conversation is too difficult for rivals. They have too much bias to accept that those Liverpool and Man city sides are the greatest English teams of all time. They'll say this era is weak. The greatest era in terms tactics is the weakest era btw. We Liverpool fans will always know@@bri1085
@@Gunnerman49. arsenal 2004 could of won the treble which would of been better
lol
Madness putting Invincible about Chelsea above a treble 😂 Arsenal fans holding this invincibles too high! Yeah, it’s not been done since but the level of football in the league is harder… the fact they throw 6 teams out each year as potential title contenders… they won the prem that’s it!
Have to love the Chelsea, Arsenal and United fans in these reminiscing about the good old days of their favorite era of when they were actually relevant and claiming that was peak English football while simultaneously limiting every discussion to "in the premier league era" to make themselves more relevant.😂
As an Arsenal fan Liverpool winning the league was massive because it been so long. For a massive legendary club to win after 30 years is huge. The pressure was huge.
Still last on the list but dont downplay it
The United treble side was the best English side. What they overcame against absolute quality opposition was insane. The European sides they had to beat in the champions league was sick
No it wasn’t city turned their treble into a quintuple in a single calendar year there’s levels to this
1. City Treble
2. United 2008
3. City Centurions
4. Invincibles
5. Chelsea Mourinho
How are The Centurions not on this list?
I have been watching football for more than 15-20 years. Obviously, as Flex told at the end trophies count but in the year 2021-22 for any English club in the year they can play a possible 63 games. Liverpool played all 63 games winning the FA Cup and Carabao Cup, reaching the Champions League final with 14 times Champions League winner playing their best game till now in finals losing 1-0 and just losing by 1 point to the Premier League champions Manchester City (Stronger both financially and squad value). This is as close as the English team had ever reached so as a Liverpool fan that was my golden time but the result of those games, the 2022-23 season an injury-hit, fatigued, aging midfield and did not even qualify for Champions League 23/24 since 2015-16.
For me:
1 - Chelsea
2 - Arsenal
3 - City
4 - United
5 - Liverpool
Although I think that Liverpool side beats everyone of those teams in a one off game.
Could argue United 08 is better than 99.
Could argue City Centurians better than their treble.
Could argue Arsenal double winners 98 better than Invincibles.
And Could argue Liverpool 18/19 better than 19/20.
liverpool had something mental like 138 out of 140 points, no other team did that
I really like this show bc it’s not too much banter and they actually use logic
Liverpool 2019-2024
3 UCL Finals
3 PL title races till last Matchday
1 Europa Final
Multiple Domestic cup finals
21/22 season- 2 goals away from a Quadruple
Massively disrespected
I would actually pick Man Utd 07-08 team. Entertaining and full of talent
United treble the greatest team in English football no doubt about that invincibles is a very good achievement also Chelsea's 15 goal Liverpool 19/20 was also one the great team very quick counter attacks with the atmosphere they have got it was electric before the lockdown city's treble is just a tainted one
Honestly, Its Man City number. I mean it has to be. We had everything: Size, technical ability, Tactical fluidity, squad depth... we had the best defence in Europe and the best attack in Europe. We could come from behind in games too but we hardly needed to because we dominated every game in the run in. We should be number 1 because we simply were the best at everything
Jose's Chelsea was honestly better than the Invincibles no doubt about it.
Arsenal played better football
Park the bus negative football. Yeah, I'd pay money to see that 😂
If, and only IF they had went unbeaten, they would’ve been better than The Invincibles
City and Liverpool are one and two because they got the most points 100 for City and 99 for Liverpool. Invincibles means nothing and Mourinhos Chelsea team means nothing, the only thing that matters is how much you dominated the league and that’s based on how many points each team gets at the end of a season.
That’s just not true tho😂
Facts bro. Like what excuse do they have except their opinion of this being the weakest era? Just wait and see. You'll hear them say the current era (the greatest era in terms of knowledge and tactics btw) is the weakest era. Those Liverpool and Man city teams annihilate any previous English teams. Arsenal ain't going invincible with the centurions in the league
@@samkelorashuza5949 as an Arsenal fan fax honestly
The only game Chelsea lost in the 04/05 season was a 1-0 defeat against City. And that was a penalty.
You guys got confused between ranking the quality of the teams, and ranking the esteem in which you hold the landmark achievement of each team. Those aren't the same thing.
Winning a treble when you are expected to actually arguably is more difficult because of all the pressure and expectations. And to do it while winning the toughest league where every point counts. Don’t discount pressure and expectations effect, look at what it did to Arsenal last season.
Well I'll say winning a treble while being dog shit from the start of the season (98) till December that year then everything clicks and you start playing good is great achievement while facing some tough teams
United’s treble in 99 is the greatest. The most trophies. Yes they did not go Invincibles but maybe that is because they had to balance Europe with the League?. 3 Trophies > 1
2️⃣ Teams have done the treble, how many went 49 Unbeaten 🏆?
Paul’s opinion on football makes me sick
Funny this channel isn’t it? They are having this conversation without a City who would argue that there are 3 great City sides with a one league Liverpool fan. THE CENTURIONS & FOURMIDABLES WOULD RUN RINGS ON ANY TEAM ON THIS LIST
they could run ring on any team except European giants. You cant be a local champ and claim you are a great side. The others are both local champs and European champs. In other words, Fourmidables and centurions did a great job in proving they cant run rings on European giants, but local Huddersfield and Watford.
The centurions might be the greatest English team of all time but they already lost to Liverpool tho. They did run riot at the Etihad not saying you are wrong but even that great team lost at Anfield
@@samkelorashuza5949City’s treble winners lost at Anfield. United’s 08 team lost to City twice. None of that is relevant
@@benedictadeya8370sure, they didn’t win the CL those years. Did the Arsenal, Chelsea, or Liverpool teams discussed win the CL?
@@Sproles11 sure they didnt. And thats why I said in my other post that UTD and City treble winners and Man UTD 08 are the top 3 in any conversation. If they want a top5.. they can select the other two from the rest based on other arguments. Invincibles is a must have given the fact that they didnt lose to no one. The remaining one spot should go to either. Y'all can decide whats more impressive between 100 points (Centurions), 15 goals conceded with 95 points (Chelsea)..99 points with one game lost (Liverpool) or domestic quadruple (City)
So because City made it look inevitable, that makes them a worse side?
Surely that makes them the better side…
The fact that the Liverpool team that finished second behind city is better than the Liverpool side that won the league brings that down to the bottom of the list.(atleast in my opinion)
It’s always good to remember that the invincibles actually lost more games in all comps in that season than Man Utd did in the treble season. They also couldn’t back it up and retain the league
It’s always good to remember that 2️⃣ teams have done the treble, whilst only one 1️⃣ team has gone 49 Games Undefeated 🏆
@@tris87don16 49 games unbeaten yet couldn’t defend their title, and as I said lost more games that season than Man Utd’s treble team. Man Utd won the treble then won the league again and again. Arsenal won 1 trophy then couldn’t back it up
@@dansedge4533 A lot of luck involved in that treble win Citeh was more convincing with theirs, anyway 49 49 Undefeated 🎶
@@tris87don16 a lot of luck and cheating by Pires in that invincible season as well. You always need luck in football
I think LFC don't get enough credit with budget they had to build that squad. All the other teams on that list bought World Class players to win their leagues, where Klopps LFC had average players that turned into great players.
Rory is such an 90s Prem encyclopedia.
He can have some shit takes, but he knows EVERYTHING from the 90s premier league😂
Wtf🤣🤣🤣”who did city beat and their games won’t be remembered” they literally annihilated the defending champions of the champions league. They destroyed and caught up to arsenal who were certain of winning. The fucking beat their local rivals in the fa cup in 13 SECONDS!! Stop the hate and accept they are the best
As I was watching, I said the same too. The only thing memorable in City treble is embarrassing Madrid at Etihad. Other than that, I cant even recall the final. Arsenal was certain of winning, what??🤣🤣🤣Nobody was buying that Arsenal would win EPL. A team of kids with no names and man city rejects and a manager with no resume. Regardless of how much gap was there, nobody was buying Arsenal would win the league. There were literally memes everywhere mocking their lead. Team hasnt won the prem in 20 years and yet you claim they were certain to win it. Where did the certainity come from? About man utd, which 13 seconds are you talking about? Didnt Gundogan score the winner in the 50th minute against the worst Man utd team? Part of the reason some people don't rate City's success is the lack of opposition. There is no legendary team competing with Man City..
@@benedictadeya8370what legendary teams did United beat to win the treble?
@@Sproles11 are you for real?
The group stage alone was called "the group of death" with Barca and Bayern...
Inter Milan
Juventus
Bayern
Inter - R.Baggio, Ronaldo, Zanetti, Zamorano
Barcelona - Figo, Rivaldo, Enrqiue
Juventus - Zidane, Davids, F.Inzaghi, Deschamps
UTD playing final without scholes and captain keane..
All games were all-time classics....
@@benedictadeya8370 Inter Milan finished 8th in Serie A that season. Juventus finished 7th. Two BAD teams. Bayern and Barca were good. But that’s it.
@@benedictadeya8370 dumb dumb it was 10 games to go and arsenal had an 8 point lead. In other seasons that team would have been claimed to be certain of winning it despite who they are. Lol the question was what memorable thing came out of city’s treble. I mean fucking scoring in 13 SECONDS is memorable bro. Didn’t they beat Bayern Munich? Then the defending champions. The fact they even clawed their way back to their 5th prem in 6 years after arsenals start is worth noting bro. Apart from solskesrs moment I can’t recall another memorable moment from United’s treble and it goes without saying man city would destroy that team
"ref from the 90" is golden
Man these lot must hate city the bias here is through the roof , city won the domestic treble the treble only team to 100 points and they could be the only team to win 4 in a row
its not the same team mate. the Balon DOR contender in the treble winning team was never there in the domestic treble or centurion or the 4 titles in a row.
@@benedictadeya8370 You’re saying it won’t count as City winning 4 in a row because some of their players have changed over the 4 year period?
….you slow?
@@TP-pq9xx I dont even get your stand here. The entire discussion is about legendary teams in specific single seasons. For example, they were talking of Man UTD treble winning team in 1998/99 season only. What they did before or after doesnt really count in this argument or rankings. My point is that, somebody cant bring the argument of 4 -peat which is won in 4 different seasons in this discussion. Winning a 4-peat definitely counts for Man City as a club..but doesnt count for the treble-winning team..some of the players like Haaland werent there entirely for the 4-peat. Simple..you slow?
Devil's advocate: The rest of the teams should have become the invincibles too. ......
Well, they didn't. Probably never will😂😂😂
Rory saying liverpools title win is "just another title win like Leicesters" is genuinely brain dead. Leicesters will never ever be beaten as the greatest sporting achievement ever...liverpool won a title, whoopedy-do
Between utd treble and city treble
Who scored the most?
Who conceded the least?
Who had the more points?
Beating arsenal Chelsea and united in that fa cup campaign.
Scoring 4 and 5 against bayern and RM (defending champions and kings of europe) respectively to our way to final.
But nostalgia merchants will tell you utd was better.
This man city team will score at least 4 on that utd team.
Klopps liverpool beats all those teams
Facts
This is the best line up 10/10 chemistry
Liverpools team had accumulated the most points whilst going unbeaten in premier league history.
the real answer without big club bias / entitilement / nostalgia
1. CITYS TREBLE
2. CITY FOURMIDABLES
3. CITY CENTURIONS
4. UTD TREBLE
5. INVINCEABLES
United in 1999 won the league with 79 points and won the CL because a certain Bayern player was too stupid to hit the ball out of his team's box properly. Last season's City side would annihilated that United team. Don't be silly!
City has two of the most dominant and entertaining epl sides winning every single domestic trophy and yet they aren't even considered??
These people just sit and conspire to take city out of these discussions time and time again
Liverpool team clear. Won 103 of 105 points across across a season and a half
All those City teams are nothing without the 115 charges…. And if they are soooooo great, then what is Liverpool? They finished twice only 1 point behind them. One goal changes history and we all know everyone would still shit on Liverpool and not rank them high.
lost a europa league final but got top 4, lost a ucl final finish in top 4, won a ucl and 1 point off, win the prem. legendary run, 1 step further every season.
I’m a Man Utd fan… but the slander on Liverpools 19/20 is an embarrassment. Rory always bangs on about “European silverware” when arguing with Arsenal fans about who the biggest club in London is, and yet forgets Liverpool won 2 pieces of it that same season they also won a premier league title that was wrapped up by January. As for the 04/05 Chelsea team and 19/20 Liverpool team… Liverpool won 1 more trophy BECAUSE OF EUROPEAN SUCCESS. Liverpool had more wins more points more goals scored, and won it in a record amount of time. People don’t pay money to watch Chelsea keep clean sheets all the time. They pay money to be entertained, and Liverpool were far more entertaining in their title winning campaign than Chelsea EVER were. Rory just talks pish, and makes himself sound more and more sillier each and every single time.
You can technically be invisible and get relegated with 38 points.
They are invincible CHAMPIONS, you forgot the most important part
@@FrozenArcher Arsenal fans are so fragile. I didn’t mention Arsenal.
@@DarrenBurgess1989it invincible not invisible 🤣🤣🤣
@@DarrenBurgess1989 Why hasn't any team achieved it if it was that simple?
@@AdrienRoner autocorrect. Chill out little man.
This whole conversation was waste of time tbh. The way you guys discredited City's achievements, it's ridiculous. City did the treble on the back of 3 peat. Invincibles in ucl compaign. Beaten mighty bayern, humiliated Real madrid who are the kings of this competition. Defeated united in FA cup final to rewrite this greatest achievement in prem history. And you guys are talking that conceding few goals and being invincibles means more. Absolutely horrific take.
the reason why Arsenal has not done more because the world football was way more competitive
There isn’t a world where Liverpools team should be above Jose’s Chelsea. Pure delusion by Paul.
City’s treble team is the best stop being silly.
I hate how teams have to have a novel achievement to be in this conversation. I'd say the Man City 18/19 was better than the treble and the Utd 07/08 double team was better than the treble winners
Turkish’s argument for city not being second is mindblowingly dumb
It think all this guys did was just try to ignore that man city won the league with 100points, won the all domestic trophies in another season but of course it doesn't matter because its city
If Liverpool are included of one season, then why not shout to Leicester City for the dream season
hes right city team is a cheat code it doesnt feel like that counts
So they put city in the top 2 best teams EVER but they still keep calling arsenal bottlers for some reason. Thanks for the compliment, I guess.
Arsenal bottled it because of how far ahead they were and how long they were on top. You absolutely collapsed
@@Sproles11 against who?
@@FrozenArcher against City. City being a fantastic team doesn’t mean Arsenal did not bottle it. City were extremely underwhelming for a large chunk of the season. Arsenal were on track to be centurions. Then they choked
Leicester 15/16? Prolly the best team I’ve ever watched
United dropped 35 points that year I’m sorry it’s city