Kernel-level anti-cheats = spyware. Don't allow it on your computers. A game requires a kernel-level anti-cheat = no thought was put in designing that game's architecture. Don't waste your money on it on any platform, don't encourage poor design choices and negligent attitude to work.
The code for the kernel level anti cheat is often terrible. This adds serious security and stability concerns. Meanwhile it doesn’t even prevent cheating in a fair or reasonable way. Case in point is the memory scanner that caused people to be permanently banned for certain keywords that could have been put in chat in game. This caused trolls to drop the keywords into chat and get everyone banned for simply having the text appear.
not bs, considering that all free cheats were for linux, and on windows you have to spend hundreds of dollars on dma hardware/firmware and cheat software, check any cheat forum and you will realize how easy it was to log in and in 2 clicks start to rage hack
@@kokkoro.networkbro what do you mean most free cheating forums always had only windows, on linux i never seen a free cheat other than csgo with 1 linux cheat and all other 50000 cheats for windows. I needed 5 minutes to check that i think you are just bad googler.
Such a Microsoft back hander over a coffee I bet. Just like Winidows gimps AMD product because Nvidia force on proprietary API based of windows, while AMD doesn't and uses mostly open API's. Also it only a game does it matter if the odd one cheats.
@@DJgregBrown The way Nvidia chooses to support linux compared to it's competitors Intel and AMD simply suck so yes I rather buy one of AMD's or Intel's products over Nvidia's! What are you trying to say I should suffer Nvidia's crappy support? Indeed it's only a game so why does EA force kernel level access on there customers? Cheating is not the reason it's an excuse to install there Trojan! Goodbye EA and good riddance and to all other publishers who claim they need kernel level access for a "cheat free experience"! There all lairs! Never allow anybody kernel level access to your system no matter what OS you run!
This needs some anti competition lawsuit - they discriminating against linux users and therefore giving business advantage to windows by making one more reason why some people cant switch to linux.
That would only be a case if they could find somehow Microsoft influenced the decision in some way... and they cover their tracks so much I doubt it could be found if it exists.
EA is rolling in money every year they don't need to do this. The reality is that the number of people using Linux for gaming (I am a Linux gamer) is very small and literally not worth bothering with. It just easier to say "you can't run this" then spend the dev resources on it.
@@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece Spicy Horse. American McGee -- The brainchild behind Alice Madness was 100% committed to making a new game, this was his baby. He even crowd funded and made some progress in development. EA holds the IP and would not let them make the game and the developer gave up and retired from the game industry. Don't publish your games on EA. EA needs to go out like THQ.
No evidence means I call BS. A smaller platform, with an even smaller user base, doesn't equal a disproportional amount of cheaters compared to a much larger platform, with a much larger user base. At best, a few hundred may play Apex on Linux, and at least 130k play on Windows, through Steam, daily. Either EA don't knows how to math, or they're just petty enough to block Linux just because. It also wouldn't surprise me if they have a back-ally deal with Microsoft for their anti-cheat nonsense, and blocking Linux was apart of the deal.
It's BS, they have had massive problems with false positives on Linux from day one. They can't possibly have accurate statistics, so instead they're using their flawed statistics that they know are wrong to scapegoat Linux users, and turn what should be bad press - EA are too dumb to make a working anticheat for Linux - into a positive - We've banned a platform that was used by cheaters, now the game will be better. - at the expense of Linux users and the reputation of Linux as a whole.
"There is currently no reliable way for us to differentiate between a legitimate Steam Deck from a malicious cheat claiming to be a Steam Deck" Seems like they're publicy announcing their skill issues to me!
@@Wkaelx are you actually "malicious" if what you are doing is simply playing on a non-steamOS device? Let's just be real here. The problem is the reliance on the client, not the operating system. No one in their right mind authenticates on the client unless the use case requires it. A game does not require it. The only way to respond to a cheating on the client is to detect it on the server. We have been continuously sold a lie that these anticheats are actually effective. They are not and never have been. The future is server-side for games when it comes to stopping trouble. Relying on the client is begging for far more expense.
@@akam9919 are you actually "malicious" if what you are doing is simply playing on a non-steamOS device? Yes, from the point of view of large actors in this industry. Relationships between hardware vendors and publishers are an opportunity to control users and make a lot of money. Linux advocates who aren't thinking about why the GPL was created are interesting. I get it, what publishers are selling is fun. But you can't carve up users if there's no one to bargain with, which is the case with Linux. The industry-Valve dynamic is different but related. It's still a matter of making sure the industry is locked down between entities that can bargain with eachother, and Valve can do that to some extent. But the goals that inspired the license will always create a hole that is unacceptable to some actor in our system.
the reason behind this is people like Microsoft and Nintendo do not want competition in there area steam is making a lot of progress in recent years and big players don't like it
I'm not going install rootkit to prove I don't cheat... Most people don't cheat. The only good anticheat is people response and ai trained to analyze match based on p previous responses.
@@stavratum It runs NOT in a Container ... Proton translates the Windows Instructions so that Linux can understand it and that Kernel Level Anti Cheat will not have any Access to the Linux Kernel
No it isn't. Windows runs for the most part flawlessly. If it didn't have the BS spyware, AI and ads inserted in the OS and I had a better Windows 7 I would still be using Windows.
True If Windows "didn't have the BS spyware, AI and ADS inserted" it would have been the best for my usage because: - I am working with Adobe programs (I don't need alternatives, Adobe programs for professional graphic work are just better than the alternatives, period.). - I am also using Clip Studio Paint, ArtRage, XPpen software for my drawing tablet... 3DSmax + V-ray, Google SketchUp and more for my work... - I am enjoying my HDR monitor with "AutoHDR" that works great... - I am modding my games... - I play Apex Legends with my friends and I love it (except for the vile neo-liberal gender propaganda + the cheaters), but still as a FPS game is great and I don't want to just go for alternatives right now... If I could do all of that in Linux distros without problems I would GLADLY ditch Windows...
Sad reality is Linux based systems require a lot of extra work. Enable this, disable that, oh hi nvidia drivers also why firefox always crashin also why .mkv videos desync on seek oh it's because of free-ffmpeg... and so on
Walling off an entire community from playing their game will reveal how few cheaters used Linux, as they will have just as many cheaters without Linux players. What will their excuse be when their scapegoat Linux is not an option to blame for the plague of cheaters in the game later? Will they reverse their decision later if Linux is not to blame?
Nothing, and they won't. They're fully aware that removing 4% of potential players in order to remove an even smaller percentage of cheaters isn't doing anything but save them work. You're coming at this from the angle that they actually believe the crap they spew, but they're not stupid. They just believe you are.
Its not GNU/Linux the OS, but those Remote Desktop game streaming devices that evade all anticheat detection. Botting and AI are going wild with steamlink and playstation remote play. They won't be banned and continue to ruin everything.
In related news, EA has been added (again) to my permanent "never, under any circumstance, purchase or compliment any product from" list. I wish this list didn't grow so quickly, but frankly I didn't expect better from EA of all people.
@@L1vv4n From my (rather confused) notes, seems like EA was on my list without a reason put in (like "it's EA, duh") since I started writing down my list of vendettas, but it quickly grew to the point where I need actual organization for it. Now I put the same company on multiple times with a date and a reference (or at least a short description of what they did) by each incident that would lead me to blacklist them, so even if I someday decide to forgive everything happening in a certain decade or whatever, later crimes still get picked up. I don't play a lot of games in EA's wheelhouse, though, so I haven't been keeping up with a lot of their recent sins.
They don't need to show data. I don't think this is about data. It seems more like this is about partnerships, those who have control over specific platforms and those who want to maintain control over said platforms.
The official reply already literally states that issue is "The openness of the Linux operating systems". On Linux the end user does have the final word on anything and we can't have that, now can we?
Even getting mods working in single player games is harder in proton. You have to explicitly set .dll overrides with environment variables, something that isn't required in Windows.
@@aldude999 wine or proton tricks dotnet48, corefonts, (all fonts if you're feeling frisky) dvxk, d3d, etc et al. depending on the game. Not all games, and depending if you go through steam, lutris, or bottles, the experience can be different.
@@aldude999 So... tweaking some settings? That's it? That's why people say modding in Linux is hard? TWEAKING CONFIGS!!!??? YOU'RE ALL BITCHING JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO TWEAK SOME F-ING CONFIG FILES!!!!???? YOU LAZY FUC-.. *commercial break*
I don't play competitive FPS games online anymore, but My goodness just fix the real, actual problem at hand. All this does is prevent genuine legitimate players from playing.
companies usually barely even try. they just use these anti cheat programs to make people think they are. best example being; gta 5 modded/cheat clients are a million dollar industry. and i'm not even kidding. watched a video on it a while ago and it's actually insane. rockstar games are just so infested with cheaters its nuts, i don't even want to talk about the state of red dead online... and all rockstar has done done for multiple years was toss out an anti-cheat that also banned linux players too recently lmao
Valve should refuse to host all EA content until Linux users are treated fairly and not called 'cheaters' just because of the host OS. Yet again, we are treated as peasants. 🤬
Valve should give an extra 1% revenue share for any game that fully supports Linux. This would save work for Valve by getting more developers involved into the ecosystem and support their steam deck. It would also place financial pressure on any company to avoid disingenuous shenanigans or have to explain themselves to their shareholders.
Valve doesn't want to get into potential legal issues themselves. It would be better if they put big disclaimer warnings on the games that flash up and have like 3 levels of EXTREME WARNING THREAT pop ups explaining to buyers what kernel level anti-cheat means and how horrible it is, the risks... to scare off buyers.
I'm surely not happy about the AC situation of devs and linux, but this not the way, get this.. Valve will start to need to rework things abit, starting with the verified program.
Most gamers on Linux do not cheat at all as cheats are harder to get for Linux. Unlike Windows has cheats for everything, like Trainers and lots of other cheat tools and hacks. There are less cheaters on Linux that there are on Windows OS and higher player base that cheat on Windows. I use both OS's. It is about the WINE and Proton layers and the work involved to check this. I find Linux plays games faster and better than Windows mostly now. Anti cheat is about spyware and bloatware now.
Yes the much simpler fix would be to properly detect OS. If a cracked copy of Windows is detected, that is more likely to be a cheater. This is as simple as asking MS for verification. MS is aware of which copies are legit or not.
I can't understand the these companies. On one hand, they don't support Linux natively because of small market share. But then they block or restrict anti-cheat functionality on Linux, citing the desire to "reduce cheating".
splitgate is much better game than apex legends imo. wait time for a match is much shorter. most importantly, it's Linux native. I hope splitgate 2 will be the same
EA trying to stay ahead of the curve, as more people look into moving to linux since win 10 is near end of life, and Microsoft bringing in features no one wants like recall and co-pilot.
That's not how it works, even if true. It might be. We have no way of saying for sure. What's more powerful is the status quo, in which all of these companies have legal agreements with each other. Linux, under the GPL 2.0, doesn't fit into that world. Valve has created an interesting place for itself by becoming a hardware vendor, but it doesn't change the fact that it can't be pay-to-play if there's no one to pay. (Btw, my views are antithetical to Microsoft's, and I know their misdeeds going back to the "Letter to Hobbyists". You could say they created this reality back then, and case law and a lack of government action has kept it alive.)
EA is a trashy company. Their big cash cow is Sims 4. It is a very old game and they overcharge for expansion packs that have no substance to them. EA has a terrible reputation with players and their customers. This doesn't surprise me that they would once again miss the plot, and do the crappiest thing they could to people who don't owe EA a living in the first place.
What... That makes zero sense... Microsoft is heavily invested in Linux. SQL Server, Visual Studio Code, .Net, PowerShell, Azure, WSL2 and other items, Microsoft pushes a ton of money and resources at Linux, if they truly hated Linux, why make all these products and services run on and work with Linux? Why would Microsoft shell out money to a vendor to stop Linux development on some games, when they themselves invest millions into Linux development?
What they mean by "Cheats for Windows get emulated as if it's on Linux" is that cheats makes the game think it's running in Proton and not native Windows. What _doesn't_ make sense about that part (aside from the badly worded sentence) is that on Windows, EAC is kernel level and should absolutely be able to detect that kind of modification.
Yes, the cheats are typically done using Windows. EA is just bad at detecting the OS. If they wanted to actually ban the most cheaters they should ban Windows users. But that would of course mean banning the vast majority of legitimate players too. If the goal is to make systems that are truly trustworthy for competition however then perhaps pushing players onto Linux only for tournaments would make sense.
Wait for EA inevitably banning any Windows users with WSL2 activated. Which is automatically activated on Windows 11 when a number of Microsoft's AI centric softwares are installed because the ML libraries must run on a POSIX like system, such needing the WSL2 Linux VM. (Like Windows AI Studio.) You know the softwares Microsoft is to force as default.
Are they not saying "when running on Linux" - Having WSL installed and running a game on Windows with WSL installed is not the same as running the game on Linux.
This is EA. The real real reason is "Linux gamers do not make enough in game purchases (micro transactions). Money talks at EA and game development and story take a back seat.
Funny. Last time I checked, just about every cheat/hack known to man is windows-exclusive. Check inside, you'll find a .exe file joined by a couple .dll files. Here's the thing: Linux don't use those... 😉
Devil's advocate: their idea is that there are people on Windows pretending to be in Linux to turn off the kernel-level anticheat. No idea if even one person is actually doing that though.
They are just trying to remove the ability to pretend to be using Linux. Which will mean that cheaters will have to use cracked copies of Windows instead to avoid the kernel level anti cheat. It really has very little to do with Linux users.
it hurts both when EA don't need steam platform when already on EA platform and microsoft gamepass. But question, will valve have it in them to hurt there owned customers as well including steam deck to remove it ??
@@JuanPerez-jg1qk Yeah EA doesn't need Steam, but I'm guessing most users aren't using EAs crappy launcher directly. But yeah, Gamepass is a good point and removing the game from the store wouldn't make a huge difference I guess, since most players on Windows would just find a different way. But the few hundred Linux players are not going to install Windows to play Apex... Highly doubt it. It would be fun if Gaben did remove Apex though... Like a "f*ck you" to EA for removing support for the Steam Deck.
What's funny for me is Apex was on my short list of games to get into after I cleared some space by completing Res 7 and Res 8 specifically because it worked on Linux (which I migrated to 100% at the office and at home last year). Wanted to see what the hype is for looter shooters (old boomer shooter and CS guy). Guess I'm sticking with good ole CS for my online shooter fun.
they can't install a kernel level spyware, so they don't allow the game. makes sense (not). I hope the linux players somehow get a refund as they are denied usage on a BS basis
it's a sad loss for apex legends but not for ea, screw them, so many years with shity decisions against consumers only for charging more on dlcs of the sims 4? nah, fuck ea.
They just want deep access to the OS to insert anti cheat software. Windows is starting to kick out 3rd parties from deep access now too. It has nothing to do with user behavior. Just how much control they have over the user system.
Fully cracked builds of windows are widely used by cheaters. Cracked as in allowing unsigned kernal drivers and loading before kernal anti-cheat drivers.
That's not "cracked" - It's a simple command, "bcdedit /set nointegritychecks off", no "cracking" or hacking of the kernel etc. It's a built-in feature of Windows lol.
I think what they trying to claim with "small amount of useres, but many cheaters" is thst from their point of view every linux player is a cheater. So 100% of those on Linux are cheaters. That this is a very dumb claim is obvious but you can't reason with stupid.
Horrible emotional driven take overall. Its dellusional. Ofc there is a possibility having just a few Linux player but a high count of Linux cheaters. Their effort to get rid of them is clicking a checkbox. The take about not provide is valid. That said, ofc anticheat sucks. So do cheaters and Windows too.
There aren’t many cheating toolkits on Linux anyway because they all terminal based and to cumbersome for the typical gamer that is lame enough to cheat. Calling proton bugs cheating is hardly a explanation for such a stupid standing.
I have to laugh. The stupidity of these developers is hard to beat. They don't manage to secure their crap properly and point the finger at Linux. Well done.
You mean bean counters or suits... Developers are just doing what they are told. Some suit looked at the numbers and went shit... why are we paying xxx dollars for development on this platform when we are only making x dollars in return and then presented the data in a meeting where all the other suits agreed and said pull the plug. Ultimately, I dont see the issue here. Does it suck, sure... but EA is a Company, Companies make money, money is what runs their world. If a product isnt performing or is causing more headaches than they deem worth it and they pull it, it is what it is.
This is purely a marketing stunt. Apex has had an issue with cheaters for as long as I can remember. LONG before the Steam Deck was a thing. They've managed to convince their userbase that Linux and no kernel level anticheat is the problem now, and by disabling it they're "fixing the problem". Their audience will cheer for now... and in a week when everything is exactly the same they'll start cursing out Respawn again.
Whatever EA still relies on Steam for most of their sales and Valve isn’t about to drop Linux. If anything Linux will become a lot more central to gaming very soon.
It's never NOT about money in the long run, and maybe this is a strangle move to prevent players moving to linux because they don't want to develop for Linux, but it could be so many more corporate minded things.
The simple fact of the matter is that most gamers are on Windows, so most cheat makers target Windows with their cheats. Ergo, almost all cheats/cheaters end up being on Windows. Turns out, even with kernel level anticheat, it's not actually all that hard to cheat if you know what you're doing.
Windows has made the decision to be a privacy and security nightmare... I don't feel that I have any other choice but to abandon Windows because of it... If Apex is going to then slam the door in my face, I don't have a path back... Sayounara, Apex... and EA... and any other dev team that decides to be this dense... If I have to choose between my privacy and security, and your game, I'm choosing privacy and security. Linux has been nothing but good to me, and it's really opened my eyes to how abusive Windows really is. Apex has overesitmated it's own importances.
The update from Steam doesn't help in all cases... you can still buy a game, play it for a long time, then they add it later and screw you over after they get your money.
It worked guys! There's no more cheaters in Aplex Legions anymore! Just like every time AAA devs actively blocked the Linux community from playing their games by putting in code that specifically targets WINE! They never had cheaters ever again!
I'm glad Steam forced all games that utilize kernel-level "anti-cheat" to have to display so on their store pages. Hopefully more potential gamers realize that's a bad idea (not holding my breath, they're mostly using Windows). How is it Valve can effectively wield the ban hammer as well? I think the bean counters thought this was the best idea, and since making money is the name of the game…
I won't not be surprised if in a few years we learn that MS pays big game dev owners to lock their games to windows or to integrate such idiotic policies. Otherwise I don't understand what is a motivation for such moves. And we can't say that they just don't want to put more resources to support linux. They already NOT supporting it officially and are not responsible to any errors. It is a Valve's thing now, but they explicitly put MORE resources to NOT support linux. This is just insane. If you invest resources, means you got outcome or profits from this. What are those possibly? Potentially there are 2 possible ways to profit on such moves. 1. Being paid by market players whose political interests in monopoly are on stake, for instance, Microsoft. 2. Trying to force a company who is porting games for you to pay you, like if EA or any other company would like to cut from Valve or better terms from Valve on selling their games.
its much more complex... there is tons of brainwashing funded by MS in thousands of ways that doesn't have to be direct for this case... and also tons of really bad programmers who just want to get their job done and not have to do new things and get a paycheck... and people who don't know any better inside the company taking tech advice from these people
As a gamer that has recently moved from Windows to Linux these sorts of reports concern me. I hope this isn't a trend that gains traction in the gaming market.
It's just mind blowing how incapable they are in removing cheaters form the game, now they come whit this? WTF is wrong with the devs? The crack they are smoking must be really bad quality
As for 'cheating', this is part of the history of games, dating back to the spectrum and c64, in the 1980s.. This is just anti Linux.. the industry does not like it.. and bias due to I think they do I not understand the concept..
I'd also like to point out, what stops people from running some of these same cheats and exploits in WSL, to get around the anticheat, because WSL has an actual Linux Kernel. By the same logic EA is using, they shouldn't support Windows, either, only game consoles - which can just be jail broken. If you want to stop cheaters, stop making games, like you cannot completely eradicate it.
1:42 Exactly what I'm saying! If not many Linux users are playing, then even less are cheating (probably not all Linux players are cheating), then how is it that they are the cause of the cheating Problem in the game? Bad argumentation. I played Apex Legends a few years ago. Game is really cool and fun to play. This taking game away from Linux really hurts me on a personal level. 😞
I neither game, nor use Linux exclusively (yet), and this makes me upset. What a load of bullshit. It smells of Microsoft's or Steam competitors' bribery.
EA is a crab because the problem is not Linux! The problem is because it is not ported native to Linux. Natively Linux games is more difficult to cheat as the crab of Windows!!!
In several years, there will be deep regret as people play the games that DO allow Linux use. Apex and GTA online won’t make me go back to windows, and I’ll remember the lies have heard from comedy publishers.
I don't play EA games but I wonder if you stream Steam games from a Windows 11 machine to a Linux machine, as I do, whether that would be work around for some.
There are open source Apex Legends cheats for Linux that you can download right now. It is a real problem, anti-cheat on Linux is ridiculously easy to bypass (because it lacks Kernel level access) - which is why more and more companies are backing away from supporting Linux in multiplayer games.
Imagine you bought a fair amount of cosmetics or battle passes during the "Linux days". You have to switch the OS, just to play that one game. What a bummer.
I actually used gta online cheats that were made for windows on linux, but this just because the economy of gta online is broken, so I was rigging slots, also the cheat was in userspace, their anticheat was just bad, the cheat was open source and had the ability to detect other cheaters on the server and protect the client from their cheats
I don’t cheat in multiplayer games, but I do cheat in single player games and it’s a total pain in the ass on Linux. I basically only use trainers and cheats on Windows. I think there’s so many people moving over to Linux that they don’t wanna support it and by blocking it they don’t have to. It really has nothing to do with cheating.
Playstation Remote Play and SteamLink both allow aimbots a screen peek and evade anticheat system checks. And the Nintendo Switch has so much aim assist it don't even matter.
For all we know what probably happened is that as the market share of Linux in gaming increased, so did the proportion of Linux users playing their game. At the same time the longer a game is out the more people are able to discover and/or share methods for cheating or modding a game. Then someone plotted both things as trends on the same graph and decided there was a correlation (and I think we know the phrase that follows from that). Yes, I know nothing about their internal development so the above is whatever I made up. But equally we don't know if this is just a justification invented after the fact of decided they can't be bothered to make platform agnostic games.
I also suspect that modern multiplayer game servers perform few checks such as on which players can see each other, whether a player can move directly from A to B without passing through a wall, whether a ground-based player is in the air too long, who has access to what weapons, rate of weapon fire. To speed up game responsiveness I bet the server just shares game state on all players within a set range and trusts the client provide truthful updates on player location, speed, direction, and to calculate walls, determine inter-player visibility, provide inventory and weapon selection status and allow the client to calculate movement predictions on all non static game objects.
On the topic of cheats and cheating in computer games, many people LIKE that because it gives you a chance to finish the game in a rather pleasant way - PERSONALLY SPEAKING! And that should certainly be - ALLOWED! It's a personal choice of the person who legitimately BUYS & OWNS the game in question!
Most people use Windows to play games not Linux so it stands to reason to any intelligent person that more cheats would be using Windows not Linux.All of these game making companies that slate Linux are mentally impaired fools or licking the backside of Microsoft.
I expect it to get awkward when Microsoft closes the kernel-access route. "We won't support Windows because we can't differentiate it from Steam Deck" ;-)
I cannae understand why Sony releases Windows builds for their games. A Linux build of God of War and released on Steam would mock Windows and Microsoft by excluding them from the PC gaming crowd.
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EA doesn't stand for Electronic Arts anymore. it now stands for Ending Access...
Kernel-level anti-cheats = spyware. Don't allow it on your computers. A game requires a kernel-level anti-cheat = no thought was put in designing that game's architecture. Don't waste your money on it on any platform, don't encourage poor design choices and negligent attitude to work.
No worries, Steam now brightly displays if a game has kernel anti-cheat apparently.
for ranked games, you need it, your complain doesnt apply there
here we are talking about money
The code for the kernel level anti cheat is often terrible. This adds serious security and stability concerns. Meanwhile it doesn’t even prevent cheating in a fair or reasonable way. Case in point is the memory scanner that caused people to be permanently banned for certain keywords that could have been put in chat in game. This caused trolls to drop the keywords into chat and get everyone banned for simply having the text appear.
I spoof my tpm and hwid.
@@betag24cnNope. Wrong. Valve has competitive games that runs just fine without kernel anti-cheat. TF2 is the exception.
Such BS, most cheaters use Windows.
Linux is to hard for script kiddies.
you misspelled "all" as "most"
not bs, considering that all free cheats were for linux, and on windows you have to spend hundreds of dollars on dma hardware/firmware and cheat software, check any cheat forum and you will realize how easy it was to log in and in 2 clicks start to rage hack
@@kokkoro.networkbro what do you mean most free cheating forums always had only windows, on linux i never seen a free cheat other than csgo with 1 linux cheat and all other 50000 cheats for windows. I needed 5 minutes to check that i think you are just bad googler.
Only because most people use Windows. Percentage wise many more cheaters use Linux.
This is an effort to gatekeep windows marketshare against valve and the growing number of new linux users.
Such a Microsoft back hander over a coffee I bet. Just like Winidows gimps AMD product because Nvidia force on proprietary API based of windows, while AMD doesn't and uses mostly open API's. Also it only a game does it matter if the odd one cheats.
@@DJgregBrown Yes! Thats why I'm using AMD(GPU), even tough Nvidia has better perfomance it's not worth the price.
@@DJgregBrown The way Nvidia chooses to support linux compared to it's competitors Intel and AMD simply suck so yes I rather buy one of AMD's or Intel's products over Nvidia's! What are you trying to say I should suffer Nvidia's crappy support?
Indeed it's only a game so why does EA force kernel level access on there customers? Cheating is not the reason it's an excuse to install there Trojan! Goodbye EA and good riddance and to all other publishers who claim they need kernel level access for a "cheat free experience"! There all lairs! Never allow anybody kernel level access to your system no matter what OS you run!
No... this was probably a decision from EAs suits, Microsoft had nothing to do with gatekeeping marketshare.
Ooh a conspiracy I love conspiracies.
I'm lying, I hate them!
This needs some anti competition lawsuit - they discriminating against linux users and therefore giving business advantage to windows by making one more reason why some people cant switch to linux.
That would only be a case if they could find somehow Microsoft influenced the decision in some way... and they cover their tracks so much I doubt it could be found if it exists.
Just don't buy there games
Okay, I am going to call it. They got a big check from Microsoft...
Quite likely… good call!
The same Microsoft that has enabled anti cheat to work on Linux in Halo? Ya, I somehow doubt it.
No, I'm a software dev and this train of reasoning belongs to retarded ignorant managers who know nothing about code.
EA is rolling in money every year they don't need to do this. The reality is that the number of people using Linux for gaming (I am a Linux gamer) is very small and literally not worth bothering with. It just easier to say "you can't run this" then spend the dev resources on it.
i dont think is that, but is totally possible
i just think they are lazy and cheap and dont want to pay for support on other platforms
EA is where games go to Die.
Unravel is published by EA 😢 I think it takes two as well 😢
Unlucky to have this horrible Publisher
And their studios, RIP
Bulfrog
Lionhead
Visceral
Maxis
Westwood
Just to name a few I personally loved.
@@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece Westwood 😢
EA: The Graveyard of Game Developers.
@@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece Spicy Horse. American McGee -- The brainchild behind Alice Madness was 100% committed to making a new game, this was his baby. He even crowd funded and made some progress in development. EA holds the IP and would not let them make the game and the developer gave up and retired from the game industry. Don't publish your games on EA. EA needs to go out like THQ.
No evidence means I call BS.
A smaller platform, with an even smaller user base, doesn't equal a disproportional amount of cheaters compared to a much larger platform, with a much larger user base. At best, a few hundred may play Apex on Linux, and at least 130k play on Windows, through Steam, daily.
Either EA don't knows how to math, or they're just petty enough to block Linux just because. It also wouldn't surprise me if they have a back-ally deal with Microsoft for their anti-cheat nonsense, and blocking Linux was apart of the deal.
It's BS, they have had massive problems with false positives on Linux from day one. They can't possibly have accurate statistics, so instead they're using their flawed statistics that they know are wrong to scapegoat Linux users, and turn what should be bad press - EA are too dumb to make a working anticheat for Linux - into a positive - We've banned a platform that was used by cheaters, now the game will be better. - at the expense of Linux users and the reputation of Linux as a whole.
"There is currently no reliable way for us to differentiate between a legitimate Steam Deck from a malicious cheat claiming to be a Steam Deck" Seems like they're publicy announcing their skill issues to me!
Yeah, SteamOS is unique distro most linux users use Ubuntu, Fedora or Arch.
It's really easy to differ "real deck users" from "malicous linux users".
@@Wkaelx are you actually "malicious" if what you are doing is simply playing on a non-steamOS device? Let's just be real here. The problem is the reliance on the client, not the operating system. No one in their right mind authenticates on the client unless the use case requires it. A game does not require it. The only way to respond to a cheating on the client is to detect it on the server. We have been continuously sold a lie that these anticheats are actually effective. They are not and never have been. The future is server-side for games when it comes to stopping trouble. Relying on the client is begging for far more expense.
@@akam9919 Stupid corporate decisions that in the end just harm players, devs and the community.
@@akam9919 are you actually "malicious" if what you are doing is simply playing on a non-steamOS device?
Yes, from the point of view of large actors in this industry. Relationships between hardware vendors and publishers are an opportunity to control users and make a lot of money.
Linux advocates who aren't thinking about why the GPL was created are interesting. I get it, what publishers are selling is fun. But you can't carve up users if there's no one to bargain with, which is the case with Linux.
The industry-Valve dynamic is different but related. It's still a matter of making sure the industry is locked down between entities that can bargain with eachother, and Valve can do that to some extent. But the goals that inspired the license will always create a hole that is unacceptable to some actor in our system.
@@Wkaelx they're absolutely not stupid. They want to be able to access your computer at will. They're evil.
the reason behind this is people like Microsoft and Nintendo do not want competition in there area steam is making a lot of progress in recent years and big players don't like it
Also, kernel level anticheat is not really a thing on Linux.
the reason behind this is that anti-cheat does nothing on Linux because it's built for windows so it runs inside a container
I'm not going install rootkit to prove I don't cheat... Most people don't cheat. The only good anticheat is people response and ai trained to analyze match based on p
previous responses.
@@stavratum It runs NOT in a Container ... Proton translates the Windows Instructions so that Linux can understand it and that Kernel Level Anti Cheat will not have any Access to the Linux Kernel
@@Chris-fx5sw yeah it has no access to the kernel which means its isolated thats why i said its inside a container
They’re Microsoft poppet. The only reason why people are still using windows is gaming.
No it isn't. Windows runs for the most part flawlessly. If it didn't have the BS spyware, AI and ads inserted in the OS and I had a better Windows 7 I would still be using Windows.
True If Windows "didn't have the BS spyware, AI and ADS inserted" it would have been the best for my usage because:
- I am working with Adobe programs (I don't need alternatives, Adobe programs for professional graphic work are just better than the alternatives, period.).
- I am also using Clip Studio Paint, ArtRage, XPpen software for my drawing tablet... 3DSmax + V-ray, Google SketchUp and more for my work...
- I am enjoying my HDR monitor with "AutoHDR" that works great...
- I am modding my games...
- I play Apex Legends with my friends and I love it (except for the vile neo-liberal gender propaganda + the cheaters), but still as a FPS game is great and I don't want to just go for alternatives right now...
If I could do all of that in Linux distros without problems I would GLADLY ditch Windows...
@@dave7244 GhostSpectre 11 iso (at least the most barebone installation) comes with recall and all the M$ crap removed
Sad reality is Linux based systems require a lot of extra work. Enable this, disable that, oh hi nvidia drivers also why firefox always crashin also why .mkv videos desync on seek oh it's because of free-ffmpeg... and so on
@@steinbauge4591 I don't trust those ISOs.
Walling off an entire community from playing their game will reveal how few cheaters used Linux, as they will have just as many cheaters without Linux players. What will their excuse be when their scapegoat Linux is not an option to blame for the plague of cheaters in the game later? Will they reverse their decision later if Linux is not to blame?
i hope not, fuck ea.
They won't reverse their decision. I have no doubt about that, unless something significant happens, like a better anti cheat on Linux only.
There won't be any change to cheater count after this. They either lying or delulu.
Nothing, and they won't. They're fully aware that removing 4% of potential players in order to remove an even smaller percentage of cheaters isn't doing anything but save them work. You're coming at this from the angle that they actually believe the crap they spew, but they're not stupid. They just believe you are.
Its not GNU/Linux the OS, but those Remote Desktop game streaming devices that evade all anticheat detection. Botting and AI are going wild with steamlink and playstation remote play. They won't be banned and continue to ruin everything.
In related news, EA has been added (again) to my permanent "never, under any circumstance, purchase or compliment any product from" list. I wish this list didn't grow so quickly, but frankly I didn't expect better from EA of all people.
Why did it ever come off that list for you? It's been on my list for that since like 2008
@@martenkahr3365 I meant I'm making multiple entries in case I ever decide "stuff more than 30 years old can be ignored" or whatever.
I made the mistake of financially supporting Nintendo, EA, Rockstar, 2k, Ubisoft and Microsoft. NEVER AGAIN.
Did it ever left it since ME3?
@@L1vv4n From my (rather confused) notes, seems like EA was on my list without a reason put in (like "it's EA, duh") since I started writing down my list of vendettas, but it quickly grew to the point where I need actual organization for it.
Now I put the same company on multiple times with a date and a reference (or at least a short description of what they did) by each incident that would lead me to blacklist them, so even if I someday decide to forgive everything happening in a certain decade or whatever, later crimes still get picked up. I don't play a lot of games in EA's wheelhouse, though, so I haven't been keeping up with a lot of their recent sins.
They don't need to show data. I don't think this is about data. It seems more like this is about partnerships, those who have control over specific platforms and those who want to maintain control over said platforms.
This. It's not about Linux, it's about Steam - who happen to have their own Linux-based OS.
The official reply already literally states that issue is "The openness of the Linux operating systems". On Linux the end user does have the final word on anything and we can't have that, now can we?
Wow, yes, I had to reply just to agree with you. Your comment was the first correct one and I had to scroll down a ways.
Total Nonsense.
The only time I ever paid for software/gaming was only when using Linux/Steam.
Hahaha so recognizable, thanks for your honesty.
EA, they definitely got tired of seeing Ubisoft getting all the negative attention and decided to get back on top.
you can't tell me it's easier to make cheats in wine/proton, than native windows. how stupid do they think people are?
Even getting mods working in single player games is harder in proton. You have to explicitly set .dll overrides with environment variables, something that isn't required in Windows.
@@aldude999 wine or proton tricks dotnet48, corefonts, (all fonts if you're feeling frisky) dvxk, d3d, etc et al. depending on the game. Not all games, and depending if you go through steam, lutris, or bottles, the experience can be different.
@@aldude999 So... tweaking some settings? That's it? That's why people say modding in Linux is hard? TWEAKING CONFIGS!!!??? YOU'RE ALL BITCHING JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO TWEAK SOME F-ING CONFIG FILES!!!!???? YOU LAZY FUC-..
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I don't play competitive FPS games online anymore, but
My goodness just fix the real, actual problem at hand. All this does is prevent genuine legitimate players from playing.
companies usually barely even try. they just use these anti cheat programs to make people think they are.
best example being; gta 5 modded/cheat clients are a million dollar industry.
and i'm not even kidding. watched a video on it a while ago and it's actually insane. rockstar games are just so infested with cheaters its nuts, i don't even want to talk about the state of red dead online...
and all rockstar has done done for multiple years was toss out an anti-cheat that also banned linux players too recently lmao
Valve should refuse to host all EA content until Linux users are treated fairly and not called 'cheaters' just because of the host OS. Yet again, we are treated as peasants. 🤬
Valve should give an extra 1% revenue share for any game that fully supports Linux. This would save work for Valve by getting more developers involved into the ecosystem and support their steam deck. It would also place financial pressure on any company to avoid disingenuous shenanigans or have to explain themselves to their shareholders.
Valve doesn't want to get into potential legal issues themselves. It would be better if they put big disclaimer warnings on the games that flash up and have like 3 levels of EXTREME WARNING THREAT pop ups explaining to buyers what kernel level anti-cheat means and how horrible it is, the risks... to scare off buyers.
What would that do to EA? Nothing?
I'm surely not happy about the AC situation of devs and linux, but this not the way, get this..
Valve will start to need to rework things abit, starting with the verified program.
Most gamers on Linux do not cheat at all as cheats are harder to get for Linux. Unlike Windows has cheats for everything, like Trainers and lots of other cheat tools and hacks. There are less cheaters on Linux that there are on Windows OS and higher player base that cheat on Windows. I use both OS's. It is about the WINE and Proton layers and the work involved to check this. I find Linux plays games faster and better than Windows mostly now. Anti cheat is about spyware and bloatware now.
Yes the much simpler fix would be to properly detect OS. If a cracked copy of Windows is detected, that is more likely to be a cheater. This is as simple as asking MS for verification. MS is aware of which copies are legit or not.
I can't understand the these companies. On one hand, they don't support Linux natively because of small market share. But then they block or restrict anti-cheat functionality on Linux, citing the desire to "reduce cheating".
Just bought X4 on Gog for Linux.. so nice to install the game locally. Screw you EA.
splitgate is much better game than apex legends imo. wait time for a match is much shorter. most importantly, it's Linux native. I hope splitgate 2 will be the same
Thanks EA for confirming to my decision a few years back to never buy a single game from you ever again, no matter how great it is.
EA trying to stay ahead of the curve, as more people look into moving to linux since win 10 is near end of life, and Microsoft bringing in features no one wants like recall and co-pilot.
They did the same with Battlefield 1 and Battlefield 5 and Battlefield 2042 recently :(
Does Microsoft pay all those companies?
YES
That's not how it works, even if true. It might be. We have no way of saying for sure.
What's more powerful is the status quo, in which all of these companies have legal agreements with each other. Linux, under the GPL 2.0, doesn't fit into that world. Valve has created an interesting place for itself by becoming a hardware vendor, but it doesn't change the fact that it can't be pay-to-play if there's no one to pay.
(Btw, my views are antithetical to Microsoft's, and I know their misdeeds going back to the "Letter to Hobbyists". You could say they created this reality back then, and case law and a lack of government action has kept it alive.)
I think it sounds like a cop out more than anything
Except it’s not.
EA is a trashy company. Their big cash cow is Sims 4. It is a very old game and they overcharge for expansion packs that have no substance to them. EA has a terrible reputation with players and their customers. This doesn't surprise me that they would once again miss the plot, and do the crappiest thing they could to people who don't owe EA a living in the first place.
Your car ran over my dog so we must ban all Spoons.
you must accept that there is no spoon and it is you who bends 😂
@@guitaripod I don''t bend for anyone.
I think that Microsoft is scared of Linux gaming and is incentivizing game vendors somehow to block Linux usage.
What... That makes zero sense... Microsoft is heavily invested in Linux. SQL Server, Visual Studio Code, .Net, PowerShell, Azure, WSL2 and other items, Microsoft pushes a ton of money and resources at Linux, if they truly hated Linux, why make all these products and services run on and work with Linux? Why would Microsoft shell out money to a vendor to stop Linux development on some games, when they themselves invest millions into Linux development?
@kickassamd you're confusing server development with desktop market share
@ regardless of where the development is. Microsoft has a vested interest in Linux.
@kickassamd not in loosing the desktop
@@esra_erimez they aren’t losing the desktop market.
What they mean by "Cheats for Windows get emulated as if it's on Linux" is that cheats makes the game think it's running in Proton and not native Windows.
What _doesn't_ make sense about that part (aside from the badly worded sentence) is that on Windows, EAC is kernel level and should absolutely be able to detect that kind of modification.
It has been already proven that this kernel-level sack of shiet does not work at all, and that proves it even more.
Yes, the cheats are typically done using Windows. EA is just bad at detecting the OS. If they wanted to actually ban the most cheaters they should ban Windows users. But that would of course mean banning the vast majority of legitimate players too. If the goal is to make systems that are truly trustworthy for competition however then perhaps pushing players onto Linux only for tournaments would make sense.
The whole post was gaslighting... there are technical people inside EA gaslighting their own bosses, and gaslighting their customers.
Wait for EA inevitably banning any Windows users with WSL2 activated. Which is automatically activated on Windows 11 when a number of Microsoft's AI centric softwares are installed because the ML libraries must run on a POSIX like system, such needing the WSL2 Linux VM. (Like Windows AI Studio.)
You know the softwares Microsoft is to force as default.
Are they not saying "when running on Linux" - Having WSL installed and running a game on Windows with WSL installed is not the same as running the game on Linux.
This is EA. The real real reason is "Linux gamers do not make enough in game purchases (micro transactions). Money talks at EA and game development and story take a back seat.
Hitchens's razor: "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."
Funny. Last time I checked, just about every cheat/hack known to man is windows-exclusive.
Check inside, you'll find a .exe file joined by a couple .dll files.
Here's the thing: Linux don't use those... 😉
Devil's advocate: their idea is that there are people on Windows pretending to be in Linux to turn off the kernel-level anticheat. No idea if even one person is actually doing that though.
They are just trying to remove the ability to pretend to be using Linux. Which will mean that cheaters will have to use cracked copies of Windows instead to avoid the kernel level anti cheat. It really has very little to do with Linux users.
I don't even know the procedure how to install pirate game on Linux, and that was one of the first things I learned on Windows.
I thought I had subbed before. Glad I found your channel again.
EA removes support for the Steam Deck(and Linux), but what if Valve removes Apex Legends from Steam?
it hurts both when EA don't need steam platform when already on EA platform and microsoft gamepass. But question, will valve have it in them to hurt there owned customers as well including steam deck to remove it ??
@@JuanPerez-jg1qk Yeah EA doesn't need Steam, but I'm guessing most users aren't using EAs crappy launcher directly.
But yeah, Gamepass is a good point and removing the game from the store wouldn't make a huge difference I guess, since most players on Windows would just find a different way.
But the few hundred Linux players are not going to install Windows to play Apex... Highly doubt it.
It would be fun if Gaben did remove Apex though... Like a "f*ck you" to EA for removing support for the Steam Deck.
And what lol... EA has their own launcher (while it is trash) as well as gamepass, they wont even notice the tiny blip lol.
Companies ought ro forbid inatalling any kernel anti cheat on a computer that connects to their network. Even for remote work.
What's funny for me is Apex was on my short list of games to get into after I cleared some space by completing Res 7 and Res 8 specifically because it worked on Linux (which I migrated to 100% at the office and at home last year). Wanted to see what the hype is for looter shooters (old boomer shooter and CS guy). Guess I'm sticking with good ole CS for my online shooter fun.
they can't install a kernel level spyware, so they don't allow the game. makes sense (not).
I hope the linux players somehow get a refund as they are denied usage on a BS basis
Isnt it a F2P game?
it's a sad loss for apex legends but not for ea, screw them, so many years with shity decisions against consumers only for charging more on dlcs of the sims 4? nah, fuck ea.
They say the Linux audience is low for gaming. They say Linux has the most cheaters.
Tell me which OS has more audience?
They just want deep access to the OS to insert anti cheat software. Windows is starting to kick out 3rd parties from deep access now too. It has nothing to do with user behavior. Just how much control they have over the user system.
Fully cracked builds of windows are widely used by cheaters. Cracked as in allowing unsigned kernal drivers and loading before kernal anti-cheat drivers.
That's not "cracked" - It's a simple command, "bcdedit /set nointegritychecks off", no "cracking" or hacking of the kernel etc. It's a built-in feature of Windows lol.
I think what they trying to claim with "small amount of useres, but many cheaters" is thst from their point of view every linux player is a cheater. So 100% of those on Linux are cheaters.
That this is a very dumb claim is obvious but you can't reason with stupid.
How long do you think it will be before EA releases its own protable game device with WIndows as the OS. I'm curious.
Horrible emotional driven take overall. Its dellusional. Ofc there is a possibility having just a few Linux player but a high count of Linux cheaters.
Their effort to get rid of them is clicking a checkbox.
The take about not provide is valid.
That said, ofc anticheat sucks. So do cheaters and Windows too.
"We fired our one linux developer and you're going to have to deal with it." - Company #4877
There aren’t many cheating toolkits on Linux anyway because they all terminal based and to cumbersome for the typical gamer that is lame enough to cheat.
Calling proton bugs cheating is hardly a explanation for such a stupid standing.
I literally installed apex on a new Linux laptop yesterday and woke up to find it banned before I had even run it once 🤦♂️
Demand a refund if it was paid for?
@ It’s a F2P game 😂
@@DylanTIhe meant the laptop
Me as well. Getting out of windows. Was able to play few rounds of Apex and boom today it is gone 😢
first gta now apex, damn i hope this trend doesn't develop
sudo pacman -S dank cheats
this assumes that dank and cheats are separate packages
what does dank do?
@@eskeletor dependency for "cheats" to work
@@eskeletor mods the cheats to make them dank.
I have to laugh. The stupidity of these developers is hard to beat. They don't manage to secure their crap properly and point the finger at Linux. Well done.
publishers*
This is 100% a decision made by suits; not developers.
You mean bean counters or suits... Developers are just doing what they are told. Some suit looked at the numbers and went shit... why are we paying xxx dollars for development on this platform when we are only making x dollars in return and then presented the data in a meeting where all the other suits agreed and said pull the plug.
Ultimately, I dont see the issue here. Does it suck, sure... but EA is a Company, Companies make money, money is what runs their world. If a product isnt performing or is causing more headaches than they deem worth it and they pull it, it is what it is.
Why didn't I expect corpo-fascism not to also translate to OS war.
Blaming minorities for your shortcomings is Fascism 101.
This is purely a marketing stunt. Apex has had an issue with cheaters for as long as I can remember. LONG before the Steam Deck was a thing. They've managed to convince their userbase that Linux and no kernel level anticheat is the problem now, and by disabling it they're "fixing the problem". Their audience will cheer for now... and in a week when everything is exactly the same they'll start cursing out Respawn again.
I won't be surprised if Microsoft has a hand in EA banning Linux and Steamdecks
>Ea: competitive integrity is a top priority
>Apex: nothing but script kiddies, hackers and bots.
Uh huh about that.
These blocks are PREEMPTIVE, not pro active. It's because they don't understand it and so they block it.
Whatever EA still relies on Steam for most of their sales and Valve isn’t about to drop Linux. If anything Linux will become a lot more central to gaming very soon.
It's never NOT about money in the long run, and maybe this is a strangle move to prevent players moving to linux because they don't want to develop for Linux, but it could be so many more corporate minded things.
That's okay, I don't play any of the games that don't work on Linux. - Fedora 41 user.
The simple fact of the matter is that most gamers are on Windows, so most cheat makers target Windows with their cheats. Ergo, almost all cheats/cheaters end up being on Windows. Turns out, even with kernel level anticheat, it's not actually all that hard to cheat if you know what you're doing.
"being open makes Linux more easy for cheaters..." Like, that's the comment that means to me that Microsoft paid them off
Windows has made the decision to be a privacy and security nightmare... I don't feel that I have any other choice but to abandon Windows because of it... If Apex is going to then slam the door in my face, I don't have a path back...
Sayounara, Apex... and EA... and any other dev team that decides to be this dense... If I have to choose between my privacy and security, and your game, I'm choosing privacy and security. Linux has been nothing but good to me, and it's really opened my eyes to how abusive Windows really is.
Apex has overesitmated it's own importances.
when do they block windows?
The update from Steam doesn't help in all cases... you can still buy a game, play it for a long time, then they add it later and screw you over after they get your money.
It worked guys! There's no more cheaters in Aplex Legions anymore! Just like every time AAA devs actively blocked the Linux community from playing their games by putting in code that specifically targets WINE! They never had cheaters ever again!
I'm glad Steam forced all games that utilize kernel-level "anti-cheat" to have to display so on their store pages. Hopefully more potential gamers realize that's a bad idea (not holding my breath, they're mostly using Windows). How is it Valve can effectively wield the ban hammer as well? I think the bean counters thought this was the best idea, and since making money is the name of the game…
I won't not be surprised if in a few years we learn that MS pays big game dev owners to lock their games to windows or to integrate such idiotic policies. Otherwise I don't understand what is a motivation for such moves. And we can't say that they just don't want to put more resources to support linux. They already NOT supporting it officially and are not responsible to any errors. It is a Valve's thing now, but they explicitly put MORE resources to NOT support linux. This is just insane. If you invest resources, means you got outcome or profits from this. What are those possibly? Potentially there are 2 possible ways to profit on such moves. 1. Being paid by market players whose political interests in monopoly are on stake, for instance, Microsoft. 2. Trying to force a company who is porting games for you to pay you, like if EA or any other company would like to cut from Valve or better terms from Valve on selling their games.
its much more complex... there is tons of brainwashing funded by MS in thousands of ways that doesn't have to be direct for this case... and also tons of really bad programmers who just want to get their job done and not have to do new things and get a paycheck... and people who don't know any better inside the company taking tech advice from these people
There is something happen behind our back. I am sure there is many interesting actors who don't want that Linux turn in a viable game platform
Remote kernel level access is a powerful drug.
I think they are feeling the threat of Valve. No one cared before Steam Deck OS and Valve support for it took off. My 2 cents. 🙏
As a gamer that has recently moved from Windows to Linux these sorts of reports concern me. I hope this isn't a trend that gains traction in the gaming market.
It's just mind blowing how incapable they are in removing cheaters form the game, now they come whit this? WTF is wrong with the devs? The crack they are smoking must be really bad quality
As for 'cheating', this is part of the history of games, dating back to the spectrum and c64, in the 1980s..
This is just anti Linux.. the industry does not like it.. and bias due to I think they do I not understand the concept..
As far as I'm concerned their bias against Linux users is reason enough to leave their game or any company's game.
Such BS, they don't have any data because games running under proton are showing that people are playing on windows 10
While it reports os as windows 10(by default but you can change it) you CAN still detect proton/wine environment
@VitisCZ yes that's true but by default it's windows 10 and windows users also can change that with regedit.
hey did u guys find the anticheat workaround certificate?
I'd also like to point out, what stops people from running some of these same cheats and exploits in WSL, to get around the anticheat, because WSL has an actual Linux Kernel. By the same logic EA is using, they shouldn't support Windows, either, only game consoles - which can just be jail broken. If you want to stop cheaters, stop making games, like you cannot completely eradicate it.
1:42 Exactly what I'm saying! If not many Linux users are playing, then even less are cheating (probably not all Linux players are cheating), then how is it that they are the cause of the cheating Problem in the game? Bad argumentation.
I played Apex Legends a few years ago. Game is really cool and fun to play. This taking game away from Linux really hurts me on a personal level. 😞
5:47 cheater can ruin the entire lobby. they are not contradicting
I neither game, nor use Linux exclusively (yet), and this makes me upset. What a load of bullshit. It smells of Microsoft's or Steam competitors' bribery.
I am now afraid of paying ea any money
EA is a crab because the problem is not Linux! The problem is because it is not ported native to Linux. Natively Linux games is more difficult to cheat as the crab of Windows!!!
Most cheaters use Windows, but catching Linux cheaters might be very challenging/impossible for Apex Legend's devs.
In several years, there will be deep regret as people play the games that DO allow Linux use. Apex and GTA online won’t make me go back to windows, and I’ll remember the lies have heard from comedy publishers.
I don't play EA games but I wonder if you stream Steam games from a Windows 11 machine to a Linux machine, as I do, whether that would be work around for some.
The game would be running on Windows so yea that would work
There are open source Apex Legends cheats for Linux that you can download right now. It is a real problem, anti-cheat on Linux is ridiculously easy to bypass (because it lacks Kernel level access) - which is why more and more companies are backing away from supporting Linux in multiplayer games.
They are saying all Linux Apex gamers are cheaters.
How do they detect Linux and is it possilbe to work around that?
Imagine you bought a fair amount of cosmetics or battle passes during the "Linux days". You have to switch the OS, just to play that one game. What a bummer.
I actually used gta online cheats that were made for windows on linux, but this just because the economy of gta online is broken, so I was rigging slots, also the cheat was in userspace, their anticheat was just bad, the cheat was open source and had the ability to detect other cheaters on the server and protect the client from their cheats
I don’t cheat in multiplayer games, but I do cheat in single player games and it’s a total pain in the ass on Linux. I basically only use trainers and cheats on Windows. I think there’s so many people moving over to Linux that they don’t wanna support it and by blocking it they don’t have to. It really has nothing to do with cheating.
yeah, its an excuse that sounds good to try to cover themselves. They just look at cost for support vs profit and they see no motivation.
Playstation Remote Play and SteamLink both allow aimbots a screen peek and evade anticheat system checks. And the Nintendo Switch has so much aim assist it don't even matter.
For all we know what probably happened is that as the market share of Linux in gaming increased, so did the proportion of Linux users playing their game.
At the same time the longer a game is out the more people are able to discover and/or share methods for cheating or modding a game.
Then someone plotted both things as trends on the same graph and decided there was a correlation (and I think we know the phrase that follows from that).
Yes, I know nothing about their internal development so the above is whatever I made up.
But equally we don't know if this is just a justification invented after the fact of decided they can't be bothered to make platform agnostic games.
I also suspect that modern multiplayer game servers perform few checks such as on which players can see each other, whether a player can move directly from A to B without passing through a wall, whether a ground-based player is in the air too long, who has access to what weapons, rate of weapon fire.
To speed up game responsiveness I bet the server just shares game state on all players within a set range and trusts the client provide truthful updates on player location, speed, direction, and to calculate walls, determine inter-player visibility, provide inventory and weapon selection status and allow the client to calculate movement predictions on all non static game objects.
On the topic of cheats and cheating in computer games, many people LIKE that because it gives you a chance to finish the game in a rather pleasant way - PERSONALLY SPEAKING!
And that should certainly be - ALLOWED! It's a personal choice of the person who legitimately BUYS & OWNS the game in question!
Most people use Windows to play games not Linux so it stands to reason to any intelligent person that more cheats would be using Windows not Linux.All of these game making companies that slate Linux are mentally impaired fools or licking the backside of Microsoft.
I expect it to get awkward when Microsoft closes the kernel-access route. "We won't support Windows because we can't differentiate it from Steam Deck" ;-)
I cannae understand why Sony releases Windows builds for their games. A Linux build of God of War and released on Steam would mock Windows and Microsoft by excluding them from the PC gaming crowd.