Morgan love, even if he did it once, consent can be revoked. Feels kinda wrong to just say "suck it up" and overlook his consent on the matter. Also, it is his sibling and it is kinda weird. Everyone can have an opinion but absolutely not to just saying suck it up. His body, his choice. Consent can be revoked at any point. I think it would be way worse if he donated the sperm because he was pressured and it potentially ruins family dynamics and relationships. Also, is no one going to stop to think how the kid will feel to learn that his uncle is actually his biological dad? There are just layers to the situation and I think the brother is justified in his feelings. EDIT: I love Morgan and definitely think she wasn't coming from a bad place. The way she said it just made it seem insensitive. I do think it made for a good discourse but also don't think that Morgan needs to be crucified for making a joke even if a lot of us felt like it either wasn't a joke or just a poor one.There are nice ways to get our points across.
I think she meant if the only reason is the fact that the sister will be the one carrying the child, he should try to get past it. But it is his choice in the end. I think he didn’t really understand the difference between a donor and a father/dad. The donor is just that a donor. If he did see the difference he would see the kids calling him their uncle and the donor in the future. This is why people should have some type of therapy before making this kinds of decisions in the family circle🤦🏾♀️ Now their relationship is ruined whether he likes it or not
@@naliyah9415 I agree with you with the therapy part of it. I feel like if you're going to do it with siblings, it should be a well-thought-out decision with either therapy or a good long talk. I think his sister carrying is a little weird, not gonna lie but that's just me. But at the same time, when I think about if it were me, I kinda get it. I have had friends use sperm donors and they always have long convos about what that entails and some donors back out after realizing that a donor is just a donor. They realize that they wouldn't be able to put personal feelings aside, etc. I deff think Morgan came from a good place, just the way she said it made it seem like consent was being overlooked. At the end of the day, if he's just not comfortable with it, it's better to just accept that.
no, you put everything i was thinking into words. the way this was being discussed was so off putting to me. consent matters for everyone & everything.
I feel bad for the guy who fell in love with his twin sister. He handled it as best he could, but damn that must be so hard to deal with. He must be dealing with a lot of guilt and shame and unrequited love.
Honestly, me too. What makes it worse is that there are people that look at situations like that and will automatically deem him as a very bad person and a disgusting individual. I hate that that's a thing, And unfortunately those people who ridicule him are probably the exact same people who like to say things like "The heart wants what it wants" when they are in a tough situation like that, But very quick to ridicule everyone else when it isn't their problem.
@@rileyrhea7766 Bodily autonomy is vital and if that’s not something he’s comfortable doing, then that’s perfectly valid and he shouldn’t be pestered for that. Even if he’s not carrying the child, having offspring is a big deal and is a very personal decision.
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With the the twin story, “No” is a complete sentence, he doesn’t need a reason to withdraw his consent. He doesn’t need to give his sperm again, if he is uncomfortable with the idea, he shouldn’t be forced to consent.
@@betwixttales You are right, forced consent isn’t consent because as soon as you have to be forced, it isn’t consensual, I thought that was a given, but there really wasn’t another word I could think of, you can search up the term “forced consent” though if you want to read more about this topic
@@betwixttales It’s kinda a thing, more like a manipulated consent Some people with threaten the victim into saying yes, so that way victim will think they consented. This can be physically, emotionally, etc
@@betwixttales a better (and the legal term, at least in my area) is coerced consent (which is not consent as coercion is a crime). It means someone forced you to say yes, either with physical or emotional means, or by wearing you down until you had no choice but to say yes.
I find myself disagreeing with Morgan in regards to the sperm donation one, and I think the fact that the two men in the discussion have such a visceral and seemingly innate aversion to the concept says a lot. I as a cis woman can’t put myself in the shoes of a cis man and tell him how he should be feeling about his speed. The concept of an egg that OP’s sperm fertilized being put into his biological sister disturbs him and he has a right to feel that way about his own sperm, and he has a right to say, “No, you don’t have a right to my sperm and I don’t owe you my sperm.” To flippantly say that just because he already did it once when the circumstances were different, he should do it again when it makes him feel uncomfortable, is an attempt to tear down a boundary that he placed, that he has a right to make. It also attacks his sense of reasoning and his perception of his body and sperm. Just because someone agreed to do something once does not mean that they cannot say, “No,” the next time.
This. I completely agree with you and very much disagree with Morgan. It’s not fair to tell someone to “suck it up”, be it man or woman. Consent has to be given always and if he’s not comfortable with it then it’s a no.
I 100% agree as well, imagine if the roles were reversed and it was a brother demanding his sister's egg. Would the sister be told to just 'suck it up', I know extracting a female egg is harder but it's still apart of you and if you say no, respect consent
🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 completely agree Morgan saying such it up is disgusting!! Like so many people including myself struggled to have a child and most people are happy to have one happy and healthy baby some people are so greedy Maybe the sister should save up her own money
Agreed. Also, this whole conversation overlooks the children's perspective: how are they gonna feel about having a Dad-Uncle? I don't know, I don't feel this is fair to the children and certainly it isn't fair to disrespect anybody's boundary.
The wife that recorded her husband and sent it to her sister SHE DID NOT GET HIS CONSENT FOR ANY OF THIS. if the roles were reversed people would be so mad and he would be getting into legal trouble
Exactly! The main issue here is consent. It is so inappropriate. If my SO was taking pictures of me and distributing them to anyone for any reason that relationship would be over because that is a huge breach of trust.
I agree completly ,because if this was a women then everyone would be in a panic seeing as we females know how dangerous sending explicit things like that could be and how life shattering this would be if those pics got leaked .The consent is a large issue here and i think this is one of the examples of men not understanding that what happened to them was a total violation instead of something to be swept under the rug .For me this would be a relationship ender and i would get the lawyers ready if they decided to leak it as revenge.
His body, his choice. There's no "sucking it up" as much as it may suck for his sister & disappointing he has no obligation to do so. It's that simple. Another thing that concerns me about that one is, if they decide to go another route how would effie treat the child if they're not "full blooded siblings".
Agreed, no need to tell him to suck it up. People aren't entitled to kids. It couldve been the exact same situation as before and he could still say no because he doesnt want to and no one can say shit. His body his choice period.
@@DiMagnolia doesn’t matter if you think it’s okay, if he feels uncomfortable/feels weird about it then he’s entitled to it. He shouldn’t be told to “suck it up” because of yours or hers opinion. It’s invaliding his choice and feelings.
Ok, no. Sperm donor brother has EVERY right to say no. It's manipulative of his sister to call him selfish (especially after he already donated). My biggest problem with this is why the children HAVE to be geneticly related to both women? It's weirding me out. Like is her love conditional to genetics only? Could it be conditional to anything else? And is that kind of parenting really the best place to raise a child?
I think maybe it stems from the fact that as (cis women, I’m guessing) lesbians, they cannot have a natural born child any other way, and they want to have everything that a het couple would be able to have. But where it crossed the line is when they talk about having the “perfect family” and how not having a biological kid would be ruining that. That’s messed up and is treating adopted children as less than biological children.
My logic jumps to potential health risks in the future. Like, with using a sibling or other family member, they are more aware of the medical history of the donor whereas you might not fully know with a donor (if I'm wrong lemme know of course; never been through that myself so personally wouldn't know!) I see what you're saying though and I also agree that if it's not based on like medical history, then it's super weird.
@@MamaGoblinxx hi! Yes, with anonymous donors you know the full history. Donors have to go through extensive background checks, blood tests, drug tests, diets, etc. I did some research on it a few years ago and everything I found says donors have to list all medical history or it would be a violation etc. If their family medical history is bad enough, some donors can be rejected. Most companies do what they can to make sure the receivers have a healthy child. Also, the receivers are allowed to look at the description of the donors, medical history, family medical history, etc.
Just because the twin brother agreed to donate his sperm once doesn’t automatically mean he should feel obligated to do so again. He gave his sister and sister in law an amazing gift and they should be grateful. Take his no and stop guilting him. It does not matter why he has decided to not donate again.
That’s a great addition-he doesn’t need to explain his, “No.” Consent is consent and he doesn’t need to detail all the psychological reasons he is saying “No.”
Right??? And It’s not like his no stops them to have another baby Just use another donor For a lesbian couple they are oddly concerned about bio babies
He said yes both times until he found out his sister was carrying the baby. He has the right to change his mind. I'm just saying he did say yes to the second baby at first.
It doesn't make sense to me at all....he needs to view his sister as a surrogate. I think it's cruel. I can't see it from his side. It makes no sense to me at all. I feel bad for his sister but she can't be mad at him at the same time. It's his choice at the end of the day.
I think the thing that bothers me the most about the "suck it up" comment is how she saw how uncomfortable the men got and reinforced it with "I think the people are going to be with me on this one." Men don't get an opinion on the consent/control women have over their bodies so I don't think we should comment on men's. It makes him uncomfortable at the end of the day, the sister is allowed to be upset over her kids not being related by blood,but he's allowed to say no over something you need to use his body for, he can avoid his sister for 9 months but it's never going to remove the discomfort and issues that come with your bodily consent being taken away or coerced out of you
🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 100% agree with you ! I think the sister is being a stuck up spoiled brat they should be great full he did it once as many people would say no to this The fact that men don’t have any say in pregnancy I’m the first place and now women are trying to control what they do with there body’s makes me sick
Yeah I agree they should only move forward with it if he enthusiastically consents - whether anyone else sees it as weird or not really doesn’t matter - at the end of the day he gets to choose. The twin being upset is incredibly disrespectful unjustifiable and honestly I think is even reason enough for him to not move forward with it even if he got over the feelings about the situation as a whole. Consent regarding men is equally as important and needs to be treated with the same light as women’s consent.
Agreed; I didn’t like how she treated their discomfort like it was silly. When I was listening (I heard the podcast before the video) I could tell how uncomfortable they were and that it was a very visceral feeling. But she kept saying things that belittled that.
They way she was saying it was like my assaulter. It never matters if it’s been done before, if they don’t want to do it again, leave it alone. Doesn’t matter if everything’s similar, if he didn’t want to do it, leave it.
Didn’t the sister call her sister’s fiancé’s parents stupid, selfish, and reckless for not using protection? Bold of her to cry about him calling her names when she did it first lol
I can't understand people who stick up for their family members who are obviously I'm the wrong. I would've called kicked out my sister the minute she called my fiancee parents stupid. Especially after first meeting
I’ve already commented once, but I wanna say in a separate comment that I’m very relieved and happy to see that I’m not alone in regards to the sperm donor one. I don’t think it was at all appropriate or respectful for Morgan to tell him to just “suck it up” and try to belittle his right to consent and place a boundary, and I’m glad I’m seeing other comments saying the same thing.
hearing her say that made me kind of sick because it's the type of thing she'd call out a man for saying if the roles were reversed or in a different story.. that term in general has just always made me feel disgusted. very disappointed, especially the way it seemed like she tried to flaunt it with her intern or whoever behind the cameras.. love her and the podcast but i can't get past it.
@@samdesoto3211"her intern" lmfao. It's her brothers wife. Her SIL. And saying "suck it up" is just a more blunt way of saying she doesn't agree with his feeling BUT she also said MULTIPLE times that his feelings are valid, just that she doesn't agree with them. As long as the sister isn't guilt tripping the dude into it, she's allowed to think it sucks and his feelings are wrong IN HER EYES. But nothing more can done about it because he took back consent.
Morgan only responding to the comments that support her and continuously explaining that people took what she said the wrong way isn’t making her look good imo. If everyone took it that way you can admit you didn’t communicate your point properly which I’m sure could easily happen after countless podcasts. You either stand by your suck it up comment or you were wrong. Maybe suck it up and realise your mistake instead of implying everyone else is mistaken?
exactly. and it isn't the just interacting with fans and their opinions, its specifically only liking and replying to comments that defend her entirely. if you're going to be a public figure, you gotta be willing to accept all critism, or you're just not going to make it.
She had already said it's his body his choice two or more times during the discussion. I think her ending point was that if he can get past the weird feeling then he could just do it. She acknowledges that it's totally his choice, she just thinks that should he make the choice to donate his sperm, it wouldn't actually be that weird. I think she's liking the comments that portray her point better because it seems like a lot of people misinterpreted her ending stance.
it really disturbs me that Morgan doesn’t care about the mans feelings in the sperm story, theres two men beside her telling her he isn’t obligated, but again, it concerns me she thinks his consent isnt necessary in this
@@erisusus I agree, I think she was just thinking logically about the situation in general. Although there probably was another way to go about it, anyway.
I'm not sure what else the twin in love with his sister was supposed to do. He's realized that he was having abnormal, unhealthy thoughts of incest, so he removed himself from the situation and sought therapy. What else are you supposed to do in a situation like that?
Of course and That’s what Morgan said but at the same time the only issue is that he’d have to see his sister pregnant with “his” baby, it’s the wife’s egg, not hers, she’s just a vessel, the baby would only be her wife’s and her brother’s just like last time with a different vessel, it costs around 100,000 to $150,000 to hire someone to do what their basically trying to do for about $11,000 to $12,000
@@notaperson6646 which is correct and I agree that they should respect his boundaries and not shame him for it, but if I was him I would do it and then not see my sister until after the baby is born, the main thing is that the opinion is that it isn’t a big deal but regardless they are they asshole for not respecting his boundaries, everyone should agree on that but personally we are reserved to think whether or not it’s a big deal
Sorry but if someone doesn’t feel comfortable sorry but end of conversation if I was in that situation and someone said no …no means no If you can’t afford it there’s always adoption so many kids are born without loving parents ? All this they want a perfect family why can’t it be through another way
I'm surprised the the photo/video sharing story didn't provoke a stronger reaction. Depending on where the OP lives and in particular with new legislation being brought in to prevent sharing of revenge p*rn, by sharing explicit material of her partner without his consent the wife may be committing a crime. If it was brothers sharing explicit material of a female intimate partner we would (rightfully) be horrified and advocate for them leaving the relationship/pressing charges, and this shouldn't be overlooked or downplayed because OP is a man
a lot of survivers of abuse came forward and said they didn't even realise it was SA until someone else told them that what happened to them is wrong.Its because women are s**t shamed when men are praised for these thing so OP probably thought it wasn't a big deal and was an achievement based on how people usually react to things like this.Because OP is a guy we cant assume he will react the same way a women would seeing as these situations have very different responses,like for a women she would be fired and s**l shamed and her life would be destroyed ,whereas a man would Probably get a Payed leave and warning ,plus cheers from male co-workers saying he wouldn't be punished if the issue wasn't escalated .
The "suck it up" comment really got my blood boiling. Consent is consent, that's it. Just because you were nice once doesn't mean saying no should be disregarded. If it were a female on her body choices you would have a completely different view.
Pretty sure I said its obviously his choice however, he was all on board until she was the surrogate which gives the vibe he's sexualizing his sister. Its just goofy thinking
@@TwoHotTakes NO!!! It's not him sexualizing her, it's him being uncomfortable by the fact that his sister would carry his child for 9 month and push it out, even if it's someone else's egg. No one cares, who's egg this is, she is still going to be the mom, who gives life to the child and the brother will be the kids father. This is just way too awkward. And the "suck it up" comment was just plain rude. The brother's feelings shouldn't be invalidated by saying "suck it up", just because he already gave sperm once. You are the big preacher of "your body your choice" thing, what happened about it in this case?! He was alright with the sister's wife being the surrogate, but he is not fine with her own sister being one. That's all to it! And even if the reason behind this is the awfully choosen colours of the Teletubbies, the sister and the wifey should just, as you say, "suck it up" and accept his decision. Even if it hurts the sister's little perfect world of raising the "perfect" bloodline.
There's definitely a very big difference between acknowledging someone is objectively attractive, and pursuing sexual attraction. I really feel so bad for the sister, because she doesn't realize, or doesn't want to truly realize how bad this really is. She needs therapy, and is gonna need so much more if/when she understands.
my younger sisters are twins, started to conjoin in the womb and had to be born pre-maturely to stop it from happening. ive never seen anything like it. i grew up sharing a room with them and the bond they have is unbelievable. they dont get tired of being around one another, they are best friends. they never bicker or fight like siblings do. one of them gets hurt, the other one cries. twin bond is so much more than sibling bond. the relationship they have together is so much more than any relationship i have with any of my 4 siblings, its plain as day that twins operate on a different wavelength.
Although I think he’s being immature as technically it isn’t incest and the only difference from the previous time is who’s incubating the damn thing. You’re right. It’s his body, his choice. If he wants to be weird about it and it’s making him uncomfortable, then there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
Completely disagree with you in the sperm donation one Morgan. And frankly I feel you were very disregarding of the guys’ feelings about this. It’s not fair for you to tell someone to “suck it up” just because they decided something once. If the situation was with a woman and she didn’t feel comfortable with it you would definitely say “don’t do it if you don’t feel comfortable with it.” There’s so many more options and if they really want a child, they’ll love it if it is or isn’t biological.
Exactly, no is no, we say this all the time. And aside from just the disgusting "suck it up" comment, why are the moms so insistent on it being biologically related? It sounds like their kids have to be bio kids for them to love them. All three women in this situation are weirding me out
I find it so appalling that Morgan is saying “suck it up” and still preaching the his body his choice. He has a choice and if I were the guy, hell no I wouldn’t want to share with my sibling. She has no right to his sperm
Dude, uh no don't "suck it up". The creepiness factor is subjective thing but "NO." is an entire sentence. It's his body and DNA. Also it's an odd request that they need to be bio siblings. As someone who's adopted I'm always baffled at the lengths people will go to keep the "family blood". I can empathize as a person with fertility issues because other methods are cheaper. I also understand wanting it to be related to the family in case of a medical emergency and monitoring genetic illnesses...but I dunno. Also, that's so entitled of the sister. You can be bummed out but let it go. In the end, it's OP's choice but I hope his family stops pressuring him. No means no. EDIT: I'm not fully disagreeing with Morgan, she's not arguing the guys body autonomy. She's just saying he's overthinking the whole procedure. That being said, I was born with female parts. And 5-6 men I've shown this to hesitated. Not being okay with this turn of events is also fine.
For the second story, I have a hypothesis just based on why men fall in love in friendships (I feel like it might apply here). Men often seem to understand kindness from women as romantic love because they lack that in their men-men relationships. Stereotypically, men-men relationships are action based (drinking beer, pushing, shoving etc. can all classify as bonding) bc that is what is acceptable in our society. Men are not “allowed” or at least don’t feel comfortable with emotional vulnerability. So when someone treats them with kindness or they care a lot about a particular person, they confuse it with attraction. Btw this is my own personal theory based on a year of research as a Communications major.
@@Thebiggerbox that’s how I feel. His body his choice cool. Doesn’t make his choice not a little selfish and juvenile. He said yes the second time until he realized his sister was carrying it then took back the yes. I get both sides just don’t agree with him.
@@Thebiggerbox as a sister with a brother to me she'd be carrying his baby and that's gross. Yes technically no incest involved but I've never been a fan of diving into technicalities. Technically step siblings aren't related but that's gross to me too. Blood dosent make a family so those technically scenarios are big no nonsense to me 🤷♀️
Nah, even in friends they pointed out how weird it was. It was the butt of the joke every time they made it. “My sisters going to have my baby!” It was Phoebe, girl would do anything except eat meat and she even did that. Just because it wasn’t weird on a TV show doesn’t mean it should be the baseline. No means no.
Funny how the dude in the middle looks just like Giovanni Ribisi, eh? I guess that's not really relevant, but I thought about Phoebe's case because of him looking basically the exact same.
so my parents have 10 kids - 7 girls, 3 boys... my mom had her oldest when she had just turned 17 & her youngest at 42...i am SO grateful to have all my siblings & i couldn’t imagine it any other way...i feel like judging people for having a large amount of children is like judging people who don’t want any kids...it’s just not okay? people assume my parents don’t believe in birth control etc. but my mom was very proactive in getting me & my sisters on birth control as soon as we had a boyfriend/went off to college bc she understands how this stuff works lol
For the sister that stayed with her sister for a year: why would her first conclusion be to go to the BIL? Why not her parents? If her sister threatened to go to her parents about the car, make sure you and your parents are in the same page, then get yourself situated. I may be reading too much into it, but it kind of seems like she is romanticizing her BIL, and enjoys her sisters frustration and doesn’t appreciate her sister at all. A year is a long time, and she makes it seem like they should be grateful she helped out “in her free time”. Umm no, that should be expected. And comment like her sister “worked maybe 5 hours a day and handled the kids in between”. Maybe her sister wanted to actually commit to her job, that would have been full time if not for the pandemic, but someone had to handle the kids in the home? And it fell on her because she is the mom, and maybe makes less than her husband so her career is less valuable? The girl seems like a brat. Your sister is under no obligation to let you stay with her for a year. Parents choose to have kids, and have a lifelong obligation to support their kids when they are in need if they can. She chose to be a burden in her sister and doesn’t appreciate her sisters help.
I agree with you. I have a feeling OP has omitted important details about her feelings/relationship with her BIL. She’s definitely painting herself as very innocent. my instincts are telling me not to trust that sister.
I'm sorry Morgan, I usually love your stance on things, but your reaction to the brother sperm donation genuinely bothered me to my core. That's HIS body fluids that he has every right to decide how they are used. It doesn't matter what his reasoning or excuse is, he doesn't need to even have a reason, if he is uncomfortable then NO MEANS NO. She and no one else are entitled to his sperm. It doesn't matter how many times he's done it before, every person has a RIGHT to give and take consent when they are no longer comfortable with a situation. Maybe it's just me overthinking and being overly sensitive and reaching but hearing you say "suck it up you did it before" reminded me of men who believe they are entitled to sex from their wives whenever they please and when the wife declines they get upset.. Men are entitled to their own body and bodily fluids and just the fact that the sister is trying to guilt him into something he's clearly expressed he's uncomfortable with is WRONG. HonestlyI have to ask, if the roles were switched and it was a woman being asked to donate her eggs or be a surrogate, would you have the same energy? And if she's done it before would you really tell her "suck it up"?
Morgan: it’s his body, his autonomy! Also Morgan: you did it once, stuck it up. *just because you did it once doesn’t mean you should be forced into doing anything you don’t wanna do with your body. Thats like telling a women she should suck up being a mother since she already had one.
But the sister did ask the second time. The brother said yes. Then, he took it back because his sister would have to carry the baby. It should've matter who carries it.
It's so clear the guys do not agree on the surrogate thing at all, and this sounds like you want to convince them it's okay, but it's not if OP does not agree. I know they do not share DNA but the whole being the biological dad of your nieces is weird. It was weird the first time, it's okay to back off the second time.
I’m so glad people disagree with what Morgan said. I hate that she said he needs to suck it up. If he’s uncomfortable, his feelings are valid. Even if he has no reason for saying no, he has every right to say no. He agreed when he thought it was on different terms. He changed his mind.
Someone can withdraw their consent at any time. It’s not permanent. I think this also applies to the twin sperm donation. Just because he agreed to it once doesn’t mean he has to or should “suck it up” and do it again. He is allowed to change his mind, and he is allowed to say no.
“If he knew my own sister was charging me, he’d look at their marriage differently “ self important mich? You really think a husband is going to change his WHOLE OPINION on his wife over a petty fight between sisters? I think this gives a little of insight on the OP and how they’ve been inserting themselves into their relationship, intentionally or not.
EXACTLY Op isnt giving me a good vibe on this one. Shes portraying her sister (WHOM GAVE HER SHELTER FOR A YEAR) as a bitch deliberately, and including the "kids dont cry as much" comment turned my ears on fire. Ofc theyre not going to cry with the aunt who DOES NOT discipline them
100% And the sister never offered to pay what she could? Just was okay freeloading for a year?! And then thought it would be okay to accept furniture for free? Oh and her parents pay for her car. The ENTITLEMENT 😳
Too many details missing on their friendship. Sister knows what she’s doing going BIL and not her sister. If she needed help with furniture she could ask her parents, literally anyone but she went to him knowing he would accommodate. There’s something going between them and wife knows. She not get that mad that easily unless she suspected something.
Uhhhh the one about the sperm is something I disagree with. Firstly, the brother agreed the first time knowing it was his sister’s WIFE that was going to carry the baby, not his SISTER. Sure, he said yes the second time, but that was before he knew that it wasn’t going to be his sister’s wife carrying the baby. Let’s not forget that consent can also be revoked anytime. Second, him being uncomfortable about that is clearly a boundary for him. Yes, he may have agreed to his sister’s WIFE carrying his sperm, but not his sister. Even if it isn’t technically her DNA being used, that’s where he’s drawing the line and that’s okay. Everyone has a boundary and that should always be respected. Lastly, sure, if Morgan was in that situation she’d be fine with it, but not everyone shares the same perspective as her. Someone else, like her brother may not be fine with doing that even though she is. Heck, I personally couldn’t imagine doing that with my brother even if I was in that position.
He said yes the second time also. Then, he found out his sister would carry the baby and took it back. He didn't care about them having another baby. He only cared about his his carrying the baby.
His body, his choice was listened to and respected and he agree. Then when it came to "her body, her choice" about CARRYING said kid, his mind was changed and it took away her right to choose for herself. It's just selfish to put your own feelings in the way when NOTHING ABOUT it is incestal or gross. But that's opinion and I'm allowed to disagree with his feelings without advocating for forcing it to happen against his wishes. He said no, it sucks, move on. But I'm allowed to think it's crap 🤷♀️😂
It's crazy to me that the sister and her wife are so obsessed with the baby being biologically theirs, but when the brothers issue is that the baby is biologically his and is uncomfortable with his biological sister carrying he/she.. He should just get over it??? I think if he's uncomfortable that's the end of the discussion.. There are other ways to have children..
I’m in the process of becoming a surrogate and that middle story is exactly why I would not do it for family… it gets too personal. I want to help a family from an objective standpoint without being emotionally attached for life to the parents or baby.
Lol them talking about a twin bond, and like… as a twin, naaaaah bro. My sister is awesome, but we’re just siblings. When my ten-year relationship ended, she asked why I was crying.
I also want to say, I do see where Morgan is coming from. She clearly stated that he has the right to say no (his body his choice), but all she was saying is she feels he’s over thinking something that’s not that weird. Obviously to each their own. He has the right to feel how he feels, but this situation isn’t abnormal. It’s not uncommon for a sister or even mother to be a surrogate for their sister or daughter. It’s s the same situation, only difference is it’s an egg that’s the commonality. Because of this, it makes me wonder if the weirdness stems more from the idea of sperm? It doesn’t seem people feel weird about women’s eggs and implanting eggs into family surrogates but when it comes to sperm in the situation that was mentioned, it seems like people can get weird about it. Not sure if that’s the case, but if it is, then it seems more discussion should be had about surrogacy.
Thank you. Definitely said it's obviously his choice. You make such an interesting point that people have an easier time with women eggs being implanted. So much to unpack with why that is but such an interesting take!
Nah i think same siblings/family members carrying babies for direct family is weird regardless aha. A mother carrying her daughters baby, that’s a lot to process. Sisters being surrogates with their siblings egg, a lot to process
The one about the twins I do kinda understand where they are coming from, one of my mums close friends is also lesbian and wanted to have kids, and used a family friend (basically their uncle) as the donor so that the dad would be close, however the kids have no idea. But if the dad said they weren’t comfortable then that’s that and it’s time to move on
The story regarding sperm donation to twin sister: I think his feelings are valid and he is entitled to revoke consent considering the situation he originally agreed to has changed. I personally don’t find it weird, as I donated eggs to my sister in order for her to have IVF. She is a single person & wanted kids for a very long time (we also have a big age gap between us). I have ZERO weird feelings about my niece & nephew being biologically my kids, and have never thought of them as mine. I also never had any weird feelings about my sister being pregnant with my egg being a part of the embryo/child. That doesn’t mean that he is not entitled to his feelings about it. It depends on the person, the familial situation, and the knowledge of the medical procedures happening.
He was okay doing it, once doesn’t mean he has to do it again. It’s weird to some people to know that your sister is carrying your technically child even if she’s not the biological mother. Sometimes is not more than they are just simply uncomfortable, it doesn’t have to be this big side problem as why he’s weird out by it. He just simply is and that’s it.
Kids typically show their worst behavior to their parent because that's their comfort person. My two kids will give me the hardest time but be angels when my sister watches them. I've seen it over and over again.
There is some new data I read somewhere awhile ago about surrogacy and they actually have found that the surrogate parent does contribute some dna to the fetus, not as much as the egg and sperm, however because of that data I read I would not feel comfy with siblings carrying each other’s genetic children. Maybe I’m biased, Like I always thought it was really weird in Friends when Pheobe carried her brothers kids lol
For the brother donation story, can't the first child also still say the odd "my mummy's brother is also my dad" thing though? Either way, if he feels uncomfy he shouldn't do it.
In reference to the second story.The brother has no obligation to donate his sperm just because he did it before.Its his body and he can do what he wants.Morgan"s disregard for his not wanting to do it again by her saying that he should just suck it up since he did it before is truly stunning.If a woman goes out with a man and has sex with him and then chooses to go on a second date but refuses to have sex with him,he proceeds to rape her and uses the excuse that they had sex before so she should have sucked it up and done it again.Morgan would have a different opinion as she should.No one should control anyone's body, whether man or woman.
The pictures story…that couples communication cannot be good. She took private photos of him without his expressed consent beforehand! This is horrible.
The IBF situation is messed up in the sense that half siblings and adoption sounds like it's out of the question. His female twin sounds like she is reducing him as a sperm donor as opposed to being fortunate enough to have a strong bond with him in the first place to agree with this situation. I feel like even though he gave up his parental rights, Layla and Effie could potentially guilt him to doing anything simply because he did it once before. I wouldn't want someone to use the baby against me in later situations. He has a clear boundary he's not willing to cross and no one should make him feel bad about it. Layla has the right to carry a baby, but I wouldn't want to have any amount of risk for any mistakes just to avoid mixing the wrong DNA. I also wouldn't want to have to explain at length how any of the kids are related to me and expect a third party to fully understand the first time I explain.
My step dad used to watch my cousin a lot and she would hear his kids call him Daddy, so at like 3 years old would call him “uncle Daddy” instead of “Uncle Terry”. Even in public and wouldn’t stop 😂
My sister and I have a 5 year age gap. Sometimes there’s not a lot of overlap in the things we talk about but your show gives us plenty of material and I am grateful because it really has made us closer in a way. 💕
Morgan! I love how on the twin one you brought up intrusive thoughts and connected it to twin bonds/a normal sibling connection! I was thinking that the whole time you were reading it because of the way he removed himself from the situation (which is similar to avoidant compulsions with ocd) and I know how anxiety can make people fear the worst. I just don’t believe that siblings raised together from birth can or would develop an attraction to each other; there’s a biological mechanism in place that prevents that from happening. It’s more than just a social taboo, our brains are wired to be repulsed by the scent of genetically similar siblings that we were raised with from early childhood. But yeah, the way he isolated himself from his family sounds of a lot like anxiety.
yes i totally agree with this we are genetically wired to seek out partners tht would create strong and healthy offspring !! inbreeding in humans and all life forms cause deformities and severe mental and health issues. an abomination to human life honestly
There are exceptions to all kinds of genetics. Odd attractions happen in various ways, and in a world of LGBTQIA+++ and a million fetishes including incest, there's no way you should logically entertain the thought that a biological mechanism will apply to 100% of the population.
I feel like everyone is getting Morgan’s words wrong, she said very clearly consent should be involved. She’s just saying the fact that it’s his sister carrying the baby, shouldn’t discourage him. Of course consent should be involved. I see the situation as the sister being the “surrogate” and him just helping out her wife.
It didn’t come off that way if everyone in the comments is misinterpreting. This is creating good discourse and it could be a learning experience for her to be more careful with her words when she says to “suck it up” just because the OP is a man.
Except when you said “well you’ve done it before, why won’t you do it again”? That’s literally coercion and trying to take someone’s consent away, but in a more “gentle” manner. Even though, it’s a “jOkE”, if you’re going to put yourself out there on a podcast and explicitly be very pro choice, etc, then you have to be on both sides of that and also, willing to take criticism. Quite honestly, I find it strange that she not only said it originally, but also thought it was still fine when she went back to listen and edit it before posting it. One of the most important men in her life (her boyfriend) was sitting 10 feet from her and had a pretty uncomfortable look on his face. That would make me pretty upset to feel like her supportive words are only going to be there for herself and other women, but men aren’t allowed to have that as well. Also, there’s a HUGE difference between taking/giving criticism, and getting shit on/bullied for something she said on the internet..
@@sarahwiater6835 except she has no real impact on what op chooses to do, the only people he’s looking for input from is the people that comment on his og post. So I think her joke is quite literally a joke.
The sister who lived with her sis & BIL, if there was no contract written up when she moved in as to what she would have to pay them then she owes them nothing. Don’t offer to let someone live with you if you’re gonna surprise them with all the charges when they move out because of your emotions at the time. Also children cry way more with their parents because it’s where they feel the safest. It’s nothing to do with the sister being ‘better’ at taking care of them
I've noticed a trend where Morgan tells the male OP to basically suck it up but if the roles were reversed and the female OP was writing in the consensus would have been different.
Whats funny is Jerry isn't related to any of us actually. He adopted us all/we adopted him rather 😂 but I love hearing that I look like him or have his mannerisms.
Nah. Being okay with doing something once doesn't mean you automatically have to be okay with doing it again. *Especially* if the situation is different. Even if it were the exact same, he has a right to change his mind.
I’m so glad so many of these comments disagree with Morgan...usually I agree with her but it’s more about consent with the sperm story. You can revoke consent at any point. That’s like saying if you had s*x with a person once then they can do it again even if you don’t want to. Sounds messed up right? You wouldn’t tell that person to “suck it up” would you? Ick
Nah, Morgan, you can’t be gaslighting this. “Suck it up” but all the comments hearted are defending your stance on it with “she said it was still his body his choice” but I had to skip the last half of the discussion because it was just to weird. It doesn’t matter if he’s done it before, it matters if he wants to give his own bodily fluids away. And ignoring the actual men in the conversation, just feels like we’re going down the femnazi road instead of equality. Edit: “getting lost in my poor humour” no, we’re getting lost in the fact you sound like a boomer man telling me what to do with my body because I’ve already done it once before. We’re trying to get rid of that mindset
It cringed me so much to see the guys so uncomfortable at Morgan's "suck it up , you already did it once " 😆 . Yeah but last time was the wife carrying the baby , not his actual SISTER. It's weird, it's not the same thing. And he is clearly not comfortable (why would he) with it, therefore he can ,and should , just say no.
Completely disagree with Morgan for the sperm donor one. Telling someone they have the right to their body and then turning around and saying they need to suck it up because they already did it once seems hypocritical. The brother is not obligated to donate again just because he did it once, especially when you are dismissing his feelings. His sperm his choice to where he wants to put it and what he wants to do with it.
I've had a rough relationship with my older sister(11 year difference) but she would NEVER expect me to pay any bills or any supplies, even food. I've stayed with my sister for 3 months once for my auto school(getting my driver's license) and she never even mentioned money to me or my mom. She would even pay for my food or the supplies I needed. For me, the sister in the story is def in the wrong. Her husband was being a nice brother-in-law who probably bonded with the girl more since she lived with them for a year. I understand it's a long time but you grew up with your sibling and lived with them for years. If she was just being lazy and didn't help at all and was causing problems then yeah I understand the payment. But since she helped around the house and with the kids she doesn't owe her anything. I would have done the same for my sister who has now 3 kids and a husband. I don't care if I live on the floor for a year. Family is family. Just my opinion.
Yes! There's definitely something off with the sister. It's not like OP was lazy and didn't want to get back to work. In one of the comments OP states that while she was there she was actively trying to find a job. How is it her fault that she didn't find one (especially in this economy)? If it was my sister I would let her stay forever if she needed my help. Besides they didn't arrange for payment before she came tolive with them, sister can't now change the tune after a year and say "you owe me thousands of dollars" that's not how contracts work.
Exactly. I can see that some people might think it’s not weird but saying suck it up is pretty insensitive imo. I would also be uncomfortable to be in this position if my siblings asked
Believe people when they tell you something. The twin who 'fell in love' with his sister was obviously sexualizing the relationship in his head. To the point that he was super afraid of doing something horrible so probably rape or assault. He sought help from a therapist and moved out of the country. So he must have been super afraid of what he might do. He is still protecting his sister but from himself. His decision should be respected.
Bro what? I think the “ rape or assault” part of this comment is so out of pocket. Rape isn’t ever about desire or love, it’s about power. I seriously doubt her brother was worried about him assaulting her, especially if he truly loves her. Contrary to popular belief, men can control themselves and not act on sexual thoughts. I think it was more that any feelings or thoughts of incest is deeply disturbing for both of the parties involved in the story and he just needed to remove himself.
That twin one made me a bit emotional because I lost my twin brother. I think it was very smart of him to own up to what he went through and how he's going to therapy. Very uncomfortable, but good on him.
My wombmate is my best friend now and we have a bond that is unbreakable. When she moved I felt like a part of me was missing and when she moved back to my state, I felt whole again. It really is almost like when my husband is gone, I feel incomplete. It is weird, but she is apart of me.
The story about the sisters and the videos is very strange. There is definitely some manipulation and people pleasing going on. She's probably so used to giving in to her sister that even if she hesitated in the beginning she still gave in just to stop her from begging. I don't know, that just seems super toxic, the husband needs to bring it up and she should 100% go to therapy and learn how to set healthy boundaries with her sister.
I have identical twins, their bond is very different from a sibling bond. Connected to the point they get the same injuries within in days and same place! The bond between them is magical ❤
Ok so I have a theory on why SIL wanted tapes of her sister and her BIL doing the deed. As they are sisters they probably look alike, so I think she likes to think it is her (in place of her sister) with her BIL doing the deed. I honestly hope it's just me thinking too deeply about it because otherwise,it is pretty f*cked up.
Sorry Morgan. I don’t agree. Our body, our choice. He was ok with it once, he is allowed to change his mind. He is allowed to say no. Just because he did it once, doesn’t mean he should be guilt tripped into doing it again. Would we tell anyone to have sex with a someone they don’t want to have sex with anymore? “You did it once. It’ll make (him or her) happy. Just do it one more time and not talk to them for 9 months while you get over it.”
It’s really interesting to see different perspectives in the comments since usually everyone agree with what Morgan says. But it’s called “Two Hot Takes” anyway so it’s nice to see people respecting each other’s opinion.
Morgan love, even if he did it once, consent can be revoked. Feels kinda wrong to just say "suck it up" and overlook his consent on the matter. Also, it is his sibling and it is kinda weird. Everyone can have an opinion but absolutely not to just saying suck it up. His body, his choice. Consent can be revoked at any point. I think it would be way worse if he donated the sperm because he was pressured and it potentially ruins family dynamics and relationships. Also, is no one going to stop to think how the kid will feel to learn that his uncle is actually his biological dad? There are just layers to the situation and I think the brother is justified in his feelings.
EDIT: I love Morgan and definitely think she wasn't coming from a bad place. The way she said it just made it seem insensitive. I do think it made for a good discourse but also don't think that Morgan needs to be crucified for making a joke even if a lot of us felt like it either wasn't a joke or just a poor one.There are nice ways to get our points across.
I think she meant if the only reason is the fact that the sister will be the one carrying the child, he should try to get past it. But it is his choice in the end.
I think he didn’t really understand the difference between a donor and a father/dad. The donor is just that a donor. If he did see the difference he would see the kids calling him their uncle and the donor in the future. This is why people should have some type of therapy before making this kinds of decisions in the family circle🤦🏾♀️
Now their relationship is ruined whether he likes it or not
@@naliyah9415 I agree with you with the therapy part of it. I feel like if you're going to do it with siblings, it should be a well-thought-out decision with either therapy or a good long talk. I think his sister carrying is a little weird, not gonna lie but that's just me. But at the same time, when I think about if it were me, I kinda get it. I have had friends use sperm donors and they always have long convos about what that entails and some donors back out after realizing that a donor is just a donor. They realize that they wouldn't be able to put personal feelings aside, etc.
I deff think Morgan came from a good place, just the way she said it made it seem like consent was being overlooked. At the end of the day, if he's just not comfortable with it, it's better to just accept that.
Same. The way she was saying it made me feel icky.
no, you put everything i was thinking into words. the way this was being discussed was so off putting to me. consent matters for everyone & everything.
@@nicolemerced425 Yes, them being siblings is more than weird to me!
I feel bad for the guy who fell in love with his twin sister. He handled it as best he could, but damn that must be so hard to deal with. He must be dealing with a lot of guilt and shame and unrequited love.
Honestly, me too. What makes it worse is that there are people that look at situations like that and will automatically deem him as a very bad person and a disgusting individual. I hate that that's a thing, And unfortunately those people who ridicule him are probably the exact same people who like to say things like "The heart wants what it wants" when they are in a tough situation like that, But very quick to ridicule everyone else when it isn't their problem.
See I️ feel horrible because I️ don’t get it at ALL. It’s incest and nothing can change that. That relationship can never function again like holy cow
He's not a bad person and took himself out of the situation. I hope he gets the help he needs.
@@happytimz3 no?
@@happytimz3 I’m sorry you’re in love w your twin but seek therapy bc it should NOT be normalized
Don’t suck it up, don’t agree with Morgan. Your body your choice. If it makes you uncomfortable DON’T DO IT.
i think she meant to question the reason he didn’t want it, and not disrespect his choice🥰
Which one is this one?
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@@prihaps You’ll know because they explicitly say
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Lol I love how Morgan says “I think people will agree with me on this one” and half the comments are just roasting her for this take
Lol which one was that?
@@prihaps the twin sperm donation story and her take that the guy should “suck it up” and do it
Idk I feel like he should get over the icky feeling for his sister, I also understand that it is like what?!! Situation idk weird either way
@@rileyrhea7766 Bodily autonomy is vital and if that’s not something he’s comfortable doing, then that’s perfectly valid and he shouldn’t be pestered for that. Even if he’s not carrying the child, having offspring is a big deal and is a very personal decision.
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With the the twin story, “No” is a complete sentence, he doesn’t need a reason to withdraw his consent. He doesn’t need to give his sperm again, if he is uncomfortable with the idea, he shouldn’t be forced to consent.
I'm sorry, but there's no such thing as forced consent. Your word are contradicting.
@@betwixttales So, if a guy is holding a gun to your head to force you to consent to giving him sex, it’s consensual right?
@@betwixttales You are right, forced consent isn’t consent because as soon as you have to be forced, it isn’t consensual, I thought that was a given, but there really wasn’t another word I could think of, you can search up the term “forced consent” though if you want to read more about this topic
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It’s kinda a thing, more like a manipulated consent
Some people with threaten the victim into saying yes, so that way victim will think they consented. This can be physically, emotionally, etc
@@betwixttales a better (and the legal term, at least in my area) is coerced consent (which is not consent as coercion is a crime). It means someone forced you to say yes, either with physical or emotional means, or by wearing you down until you had no choice but to say yes.
I find myself disagreeing with Morgan in regards to the sperm donation one, and I think the fact that the two men in the discussion have such a visceral and seemingly innate aversion to the concept says a lot. I as a cis woman can’t put myself in the shoes of a cis man and tell him how he should be feeling about his speed. The concept of an egg that OP’s sperm fertilized being put into his biological sister disturbs him and he has a right to feel that way about his own sperm, and he has a right to say, “No, you don’t have a right to my sperm and I don’t owe you my sperm.” To flippantly say that just because he already did it once when the circumstances were different, he should do it again when it makes him feel uncomfortable, is an attempt to tear down a boundary that he placed, that he has a right to make. It also attacks his sense of reasoning and his perception of his body and sperm.
Just because someone agreed to do something once does not mean that they cannot say, “No,” the next time.
This. I completely agree with you and very much disagree with Morgan. It’s not fair to tell someone to “suck it up”, be it man or woman.
Consent has to be given always and if he’s not comfortable with it then it’s a no.
I 100% agree as well, imagine if the roles were reversed and it was a brother demanding his sister's egg. Would the sister be told to just 'suck it up', I know extracting a female egg is harder but it's still apart of you and if you say no, respect consent
Exactly. And for consent to be truly respected it has to be able to be given AND withdrawn.
🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 completely agree Morgan saying such it up is disgusting!!
Like so many people including myself struggled to have a child and most people are happy to have one happy and healthy baby some people are so greedy
Maybe the sister should save up her own money
Agreed. Also, this whole conversation overlooks the children's perspective: how are they gonna feel about having a Dad-Uncle? I don't know, I don't feel this is fair to the children and certainly it isn't fair to disrespect anybody's boundary.
The wife that recorded her husband and sent it to her sister SHE DID NOT GET HIS CONSENT FOR ANY OF THIS. if the roles were reversed people would be so mad and he would be getting into legal trouble
I know that story made me so mad
Exactly! The main issue here is consent. It is so inappropriate. If my SO was taking pictures of me and distributing them to anyone for any reason that relationship would be over because that is a huge breach of trust.
I agree completly ,because if this was a women
then everyone would be in a panic seeing as we females know how dangerous sending explicit things like that could be and how life shattering this would be if those pics got leaked
.The consent is a large issue here and i think this is one of the examples of men not understanding that what happened to them was a total violation instead of something to be swept under the rug .For me this would be a relationship ender and i would get the lawyers ready if they decided to leak it as revenge.
It's absolutely disgusting. Extra disgusting since the sister is getting turned on from the sister
I 100% agree with you!!
His body, his choice. There's no "sucking it up" as much as it may suck for his sister & disappointing he has no obligation to do so. It's that simple.
Another thing that concerns me about that one is, if they decide to go another route how would effie treat the child if they're not "full blooded siblings".
yeah that’s a good point
Agreed
Morgan you are so very wrong on the lesbian issue. Every party should have enthusiastic consent to participate in that kind situation.
Agreed, no need to tell him to suck it up. People aren't entitled to kids. It couldve been the exact same situation as before and he could still say no because he doesnt want to and no one can say shit. His body his choice period.
I agree about the consent, but I agree with her that it’s not weird.
I agree!!
She agrees with the consent! She even said it! She just doesn't see an issue with it.
@@DiMagnolia doesn’t matter if you think it’s okay, if he feels uncomfortable/feels weird about it then he’s entitled to it. He shouldn’t be told to “suck it up” because of yours or hers opinion. It’s invaliding his choice and feelings.
Ok, no. Sperm donor brother has EVERY right to say no. It's manipulative of his sister to call him selfish (especially after he already donated). My biggest problem with this is why the children HAVE to be geneticly related to both women? It's weirding me out. Like is her love conditional to genetics only? Could it be conditional to anything else? And is that kind of parenting really the best place to raise a child?
I think maybe it stems from the fact that as (cis women, I’m guessing) lesbians, they cannot have a natural born child any other way, and they want to have everything that a het couple would be able to have. But where it crossed the line is when they talk about having the “perfect family” and how not having a biological kid would be ruining that. That’s messed up and is treating adopted children as less than biological children.
@@thylionheart That's the thing. The fact that adopted children would make her family "imperfect" gives me the absolute creeps
My logic jumps to potential health risks in the future. Like, with using a sibling or other family member, they are more aware of the medical history of the donor whereas you might not fully know with a donor (if I'm wrong lemme know of course; never been through that myself so personally wouldn't know!)
I see what you're saying though and I also agree that if it's not based on like medical history, then it's super weird.
@@MamaGoblinxx hi! Yes, with anonymous donors you know the full history. Donors have to go through extensive background checks, blood tests, drug tests, diets, etc. I did some research on it a few years ago and everything I found says donors have to list all medical history or it would be a violation etc. If their family medical history is bad enough, some donors can be rejected. Most companies do what they can to make sure the receivers have a healthy child. Also, the receivers are allowed to look at the description of the donors, medical history, family medical history, etc.
Morgan had an awful take here yikes
Turns on disappearing messages... "I hope you keep this to yourself"
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"Dear Everyone in the world"
Well, she couldn’t know it would end up on TH-cam. And she deleted it relatively quickly.
I didn’t even think of that. 😵💫
And what about it? She left this anonymous
Just because the twin brother agreed to donate his sperm once doesn’t automatically mean he should feel obligated to do so again. He gave his sister and sister in law an amazing gift and they should be grateful. Take his no and stop guilting him. It does not matter why he has decided to not donate again.
That’s a great addition-he doesn’t need to explain his, “No.” Consent is consent and he doesn’t need to detail all the psychological reasons he is saying “No.”
“No” is a complete sentence, he doesn’t need a reason to withdraw his consent, I completely agree.
Right??? And It’s not like his no stops them to have another baby
Just use another donor
For a lesbian couple they are oddly concerned about bio babies
Right, the same way having sex with someone once isn't future consent
He said yes both times until he found out his sister was carrying the baby. He has the right to change his mind. I'm just saying he did say yes to the second baby at first.
I can see why the brother feels iffy about donating the second time.
Yea ewie
Eh it's weird but like.... If he consented it'd be fine though?
Its the consent that matters
It doesn't make sense to me at all....he needs to view his sister as a surrogate. I think it's cruel. I can't see it from his side. It makes no sense to me at all. I feel bad for his sister but she can't be mad at him at the same time. It's his choice at the end of the day.
Exactly it’s his body his decision
@@janetperez3372 yup!
I think the thing that bothers me the most about the "suck it up" comment is how she saw how uncomfortable the men got and reinforced it with "I think the people are going to be with me on this one." Men don't get an opinion on the consent/control women have over their bodies so I don't think we should comment on men's. It makes him uncomfortable at the end of the day, the sister is allowed to be upset over her kids not being related by blood,but he's allowed to say no over something you need to use his body for, he can avoid his sister for 9 months but it's never going to remove the discomfort and issues that come with your bodily consent being taken away or coerced out of you
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100% agree with you !
I think the sister is being a stuck up spoiled brat they should be great full he did it once as many people would say no to this
The fact that men don’t have any say in pregnancy I’m the first place and now women are trying to control what they do with there body’s makes me sick
Yeah I agree they should only move forward with it if he enthusiastically consents - whether anyone else sees it as weird or not really doesn’t matter - at the end of the day he gets to choose. The twin being upset is incredibly disrespectful unjustifiable and honestly I think is even reason enough for him to not move forward with it even if he got over the feelings about the situation as a whole. Consent regarding men is equally as important and needs to be treated with the same light as women’s consent.
Agreed; I didn’t like how she treated their discomfort like it was silly. When I was listening (I heard the podcast before the video) I could tell how uncomfortable they were and that it was a very visceral feeling. But she kept saying things that belittled that.
It was a joke. Insensitive, sure. Bad taste, sure, but they all agreed the consent is consent. No one is arguing against that
They way she was saying it was like my assaulter. It never matters if it’s been done before, if they don’t want to do it again, leave it alone. Doesn’t matter if everything’s similar, if he didn’t want to do it, leave it.
Didn’t the sister call her sister’s fiancé’s parents stupid, selfish, and reckless for not using protection? Bold of her to cry about him calling her names when she did it first lol
Omg Right?!
This is something you just don’t say aloud. I would be thinking about overpopulation tho
I can't understand people who stick up for their family members who are obviously I'm the wrong. I would've called kicked out my sister the minute she called my fiancee parents stupid. Especially after first meeting
I’ve already commented once, but I wanna say in a separate comment that I’m very relieved and happy to see that I’m not alone in regards to the sperm donor one. I don’t think it was at all appropriate or respectful for Morgan to tell him to just “suck it up” and try to belittle his right to consent and place a boundary, and I’m glad I’m seeing other comments saying the same thing.
I said the same thing in a comment, too. Strangely mine has been deleted, though… 🤔
hearing her say that made me kind of sick because it's the type of thing she'd call out a man for saying if the roles were reversed or in a different story.. that term in general has just always made me feel disgusted. very disappointed, especially the way it seemed like she tried to flaunt it with her intern or whoever behind the cameras.. love her and the podcast but i can't get past it.
@@samdesoto3211"her intern" lmfao. It's her brothers wife. Her SIL. And saying "suck it up" is just a more blunt way of saying she doesn't agree with his feeling BUT she also said MULTIPLE times that his feelings are valid, just that she doesn't agree with them. As long as the sister isn't guilt tripping the dude into it, she's allowed to think it sucks and his feelings are wrong IN HER EYES. But nothing more can done about it because he took back consent.
Morgan : yes it’s completely his choice!
Also Morgan: hE sHoULD jUsT sUcK iT uP” yeah I don’t think anyone’s agreeing
I mean. I agree with her. Lol
Morgan only responding to the comments that support her and continuously explaining that people took what she said the wrong way isn’t making her look good imo. If everyone took it that way you can admit you didn’t communicate your point properly which I’m sure could easily happen after countless podcasts.
You either stand by your suck it up comment or you were wrong. Maybe suck it up and realise your mistake instead of implying everyone else is mistaken?
exactly. and it isn't the just interacting with fans and their opinions, its specifically only liking and replying to comments that defend her entirely. if you're going to be a public figure, you gotta be willing to accept all critism, or you're just not going to make it.
She had already said it's his body his choice two or more times during the discussion. I think her ending point was that if he can get past the weird feeling then he could just do it. She acknowledges that it's totally his choice, she just thinks that should he make the choice to donate his sperm, it wouldn't actually be that weird. I think she's liking the comments that portray her point better because it seems like a lot of people misinterpreted her ending stance.
it really disturbs me that Morgan doesn’t care about the mans feelings in the sperm story, theres two men beside her telling her he isn’t obligated, but again, it concerns me she thinks his consent isnt necessary in this
At the end of the discussion she explicitly said “it’s his body and his choice in the end”
Maybe pay more attention, she is only saying is not weird, not to kidnap the man and force him to do it.
She seems to not care about men in a lot of the reddit stories she reads sadly
@@AmboRox360 exactly. So sad to see that how dismissive she always is when it comes to mens feelings and rights…
@@erisusus I agree, I think she was just thinking logically about the situation in general. Although there probably was another way to go about it, anyway.
I'm not sure what else the twin in love with his sister was supposed to do. He's realized that he was having abnormal, unhealthy thoughts of incest, so he removed himself from the situation and sought therapy. What else are you supposed to do in a situation like that?
Sounds like a good reaction.
I’m sorry but consent for a everything he is aloud to feel uncomfortable he shouldn’t have to suck it up he was nice enough the first one
Of course and That’s what Morgan said but at the same time the only issue is that he’d have to see his sister pregnant with “his” baby, it’s the wife’s egg, not hers, she’s just a vessel, the baby would only be her wife’s and her brother’s just like last time with a different vessel, it costs around 100,000 to $150,000 to hire someone to do what their basically trying to do for about $11,000 to $12,000
@@lpsmadgirl23 just because it’s hard for them doesn’t mean he should . He drew the line they need to respect his boundaries
@@notaperson6646 which is correct and I agree that they should respect his boundaries and not shame him for it, but if I was him I would do it and then not see my sister until after the baby is born, the main thing is that the opinion is that it isn’t a big deal but regardless they are they asshole for not respecting his boundaries, everyone should agree on that but personally we are reserved to think whether or not it’s a big deal
Sorry but if someone doesn’t feel comfortable sorry but end of conversation if I was in that situation and someone said no …no means no
If you can’t afford it there’s always adoption so many kids are born without loving parents ? All this they want a perfect family why can’t it be through another way
I'm surprised the the photo/video sharing story didn't provoke a stronger reaction. Depending on where the OP lives and in particular with new legislation being brought in to prevent sharing of revenge p*rn, by sharing explicit material of her partner without his consent the wife may be committing a crime. If it was brothers sharing explicit material of a female intimate partner we would (rightfully) be horrified and advocate for them leaving the relationship/pressing charges, and this shouldn't be overlooked or downplayed because OP is a man
a lot of survivers of abuse came forward and said they didn't even realise it was SA until someone else told them that what happened to them is wrong.Its because women are s**t shamed when men are praised for these thing so OP probably thought it wasn't a big deal and was an achievement based on how people usually react to things like this.Because OP is a guy we cant assume he will react the same way a women would seeing as these situations have very different responses,like for a women she would be fired and s**l shamed and her life would be destroyed ,whereas a man would Probably get a Payed leave and warning ,plus cheers from male co-workers saying he wouldn't be punished if the issue wasn't escalated .
Agree with this 100 percent
It was overlooked because the host Morgan is never on the side of the man regardless of the story
The "suck it up" comment really got my blood boiling. Consent is consent, that's it. Just because you were nice once doesn't mean saying no should be disregarded. If it were a female on her body choices you would have a completely different view.
Pretty sure I said its obviously his choice however, he was all on board until she was the surrogate which gives the vibe he's sexualizing his sister. Its just goofy thinking
@@TwoHotTakes NO!!! It's not him sexualizing her, it's him being uncomfortable by the fact that his sister would carry his child for 9 month and push it out, even if it's someone else's egg. No one cares, who's egg this is, she is still going to be the mom, who gives life to the child and the brother will be the kids father. This is just way too awkward.
And the "suck it up" comment was just plain rude. The brother's feelings shouldn't be invalidated by saying "suck it up", just because he already gave sperm once. You are the big preacher of "your body your choice" thing, what happened about it in this case?! He was alright with the sister's wife being the surrogate, but he is not fine with her own sister being one. That's all to it! And even if the reason behind this is the awfully choosen colours of the Teletubbies, the sister and the wifey should just, as you say, "suck it up" and accept his decision. Even if it hurts the sister's little perfect world of raising the "perfect" bloodline.
@@TwoHotTakes Btw I love you and your podcast and I am still gonna watch all of your videos, but no "suck it up" comments pls ♥
at the end of the story you literally said suck it up
@@alyssabennett2547 cool
If they can’t afford another they shouldn’t have another child. It’s HIS choice. The twin is very selfish.
There's definitely a very big difference between acknowledging someone is objectively attractive, and pursuing sexual attraction. I really feel so bad for the sister, because she doesn't realize, or doesn't want to truly realize how bad this really is. She needs therapy, and is gonna need so much more if/when she understands.
my younger sisters are twins, started to conjoin in the womb and had to be born pre-maturely to stop it from happening. ive never seen anything like it. i grew up sharing a room with them and the bond they have is unbelievable. they dont get tired of being around one another, they are best friends. they never bicker or fight like siblings do. one of them gets hurt, the other one cries. twin bond is so much more than sibling bond. the relationship they have together is so much more than any relationship i have with any of my 4 siblings, its plain as day that twins operate on a different wavelength.
Disagree with Morgan saying ‘suck it up’. His body, his choice.
Although I think he’s being immature as technically it isn’t incest and the only difference from the previous time is who’s incubating the damn thing. You’re right. It’s his body, his choice. If he wants to be weird about it and it’s making him uncomfortable, then there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
She said that multiple times but she just doesn’t think it’s a big deal, so her actual verdict is his body, his choice
I think they already have a verdict for that and Morgan just threw it as a joke. Its obviously his choice that comes first.
@@giulia1361 exactly! ❤️
@@lpsmadgirl23 ❤️
Completely disagree with you in the sperm donation one Morgan. And frankly I feel you were very disregarding of the guys’ feelings about this. It’s not fair for you to tell someone to “suck it up” just because they decided something once. If the situation was with a woman and she didn’t feel comfortable with it you would definitely say “don’t do it if you don’t feel comfortable with it.”
There’s so many more options and if they really want a child, they’ll love it if it is or isn’t biological.
🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 this really changed my opinion of morgan as she is completely different when it comes to women
Exactly! “No” is a complete sentence, he doesn’t need a reason to withdraw his consent.
Exactly, no is no, we say this all the time. And aside from just the disgusting "suck it up" comment, why are the moms so insistent on it being biologically related? It sounds like their kids have to be bio kids for them to love them. All three women in this situation are weirding me out
I find it so appalling that Morgan is saying “suck it up” and still preaching the his body his choice. He has a choice and if I were the guy, hell no I wouldn’t want to share with my sibling. She has no right to his sperm
I will love an episode about cousins, I just have a sister but a lot of cousins and some wild stories with them. Btw this episode was a roller-coaster
I second this!! I have some crazzzyyyy shit my cousin has done to me
@@megan4845 ppppp
It would be so fun with “pick me girl or boy” Reddit stories
Dude, uh no don't "suck it up". The creepiness factor is subjective thing but "NO." is an entire sentence. It's his body and DNA. Also it's an odd request that they need to be bio siblings. As someone who's adopted I'm always baffled at the lengths people will go to keep the "family blood". I can empathize as a person with fertility issues because other methods are cheaper. I also understand wanting it to be related to the family in case of a medical emergency and monitoring genetic illnesses...but I dunno.
Also, that's so entitled of the sister. You can be bummed out but let it go. In the end, it's OP's choice but I hope his family stops pressuring him. No means no.
EDIT: I'm not fully disagreeing with Morgan, she's not arguing the guys body autonomy. She's just saying he's overthinking the whole procedure. That being said, I was born with female parts. And 5-6 men I've shown this to hesitated.
Not being okay with this turn of events is also fine.
For the second story, I have a hypothesis just based on why men fall in love in friendships (I feel like it might apply here). Men often seem to understand kindness from women as romantic love because they lack that in their men-men relationships. Stereotypically, men-men relationships are action based (drinking beer, pushing, shoving etc. can all classify as bonding) bc that is what is acceptable in our society. Men are not “allowed” or at least don’t feel comfortable with emotional vulnerability. So when someone treats them with kindness or they care a lot about a particular person, they confuse it with attraction.
Btw this is my own personal theory based on a year of research as a Communications major.
The twin story reminds me of friends where Phoebe carried her brother triplets with his wife’s eggs.
Me too! She is just the surrogate for the baby, why is the brother making it weird?
@@Thebiggerbox that’s how I feel. His body his choice cool. Doesn’t make his choice not a little selfish and juvenile. He said yes the second time until he realized his sister was carrying it then took back the yes. I get both sides just don’t agree with him.
@@Thebiggerbox as a sister with a brother to me she'd be carrying his baby and that's gross. Yes technically no incest involved but I've never been a fan of diving into technicalities. Technically step siblings aren't related but that's gross to me too. Blood dosent make a family so those technically scenarios are big no nonsense to me 🤷♀️
Nah, even in friends they pointed out how weird it was. It was the butt of the joke every time they made it. “My sisters going to have my baby!”
It was Phoebe, girl would do anything except eat meat and she even did that. Just because it wasn’t weird on a TV show doesn’t mean it should be the baseline. No means no.
Funny how the dude in the middle looks just like Giovanni Ribisi, eh? I guess that's not really relevant, but I thought about Phoebe's case because of him looking basically the exact same.
so my parents have 10 kids - 7 girls, 3 boys... my mom had her oldest when she had just turned 17 & her youngest at 42...i am SO grateful to have all my siblings & i couldn’t imagine it any other way...i feel like judging people for having a large amount of children is like judging people who don’t want any kids...it’s just not okay? people assume my parents don’t believe in birth control etc. but my mom was very proactive in getting me & my sisters on birth control as soon as we had a boyfriend/went off to college bc she understands how this stuff works lol
For the sister that stayed with her sister for a year: why would her first conclusion be to go to the BIL? Why not her parents? If her sister threatened to go to her parents about the car, make sure you and your parents are in the same page, then get yourself situated.
I may be reading too much into it, but it kind of seems like she is romanticizing her BIL, and enjoys her sisters frustration and doesn’t appreciate her sister at all. A year is a long time, and she makes it seem like they should be grateful she helped out “in her free time”. Umm no, that should be expected. And comment like her sister “worked maybe 5 hours a day and handled the kids in between”. Maybe her sister wanted to actually commit to her job, that would have been full time if not for the pandemic, but someone had to handle the kids in the home? And it fell on her because she is the mom, and maybe makes less than her husband so her career is less valuable?
The girl seems like a brat. Your sister is under no obligation to let you stay with her for a year. Parents choose to have kids, and have a lifelong obligation to support their kids when they are in need if they can. She chose to be a burden in her sister and doesn’t appreciate her sisters help.
Yeah and why are her parents paying her bills still? Seems fishy.
I agree with you. I have a feeling OP has omitted important details about her feelings/relationship with her BIL. She’s definitely painting herself as very innocent. my instincts are telling me not to trust that sister.
@@bunnyrabbitshavehatsright? Living with the sister, parents paying her bills. Now she wants free furniture, Grow up already.
I'm sorry Morgan, I usually love your stance on things, but your reaction to the brother sperm donation genuinely bothered me to my core. That's HIS body fluids that he has every right to decide how they are used. It doesn't matter what his reasoning or excuse is, he doesn't need to even have a reason, if he is uncomfortable then NO MEANS NO. She and no one else are entitled to his sperm. It doesn't matter how many times he's done it before, every person has a RIGHT to give and take consent when they are no longer comfortable with a situation. Maybe it's just me overthinking and being overly sensitive and reaching but hearing you say "suck it up you did it before" reminded me of men who believe they are entitled to sex from their wives whenever they please and when the wife declines they get upset.. Men are entitled to their own body and bodily fluids and just the fact that the sister is trying to guilt him into something he's clearly expressed he's uncomfortable with is WRONG.
HonestlyI have to ask, if the roles were switched and it was a woman being asked to donate her eggs or be a surrogate, would you have the same energy? And if she's done it before would you really tell her "suck it up"?
This whole podcast is just such a wild ride
Morgan: it’s his body, his autonomy!
Also Morgan: you did it once, stuck it up.
*just because you did it once doesn’t mean you should be forced into doing anything you don’t wanna do with your body. Thats like telling a women she should suck up being a mother since she already had one.
Yeah such a weird take
@@shuhao2817 Morgan or me?
@@cactuswitch631 Morgan ofcourse
But the sister did ask the second time. The brother said yes. Then, he took it back because his sister would have to carry the baby. It should've matter who carries it.
@@lori.bielasz it's a big difference between getting someone else pregnant and your sister. He has every right to change his mind at any given time.
Completely disagree with Morgan
‘Suck it up’ is a disgusting sentiment when it comes to ANYONE’s body autonomy 🤢
It's so clear the guys do not agree on the surrogate thing at all, and this sounds like you want to convince them it's okay, but it's not if OP does not agree. I know they do not share DNA but the whole being the biological dad of your nieces is weird. It was weird the first time, it's okay to back off the second time.
I’m so glad people disagree with what Morgan said. I hate that she said he needs to suck it up. If he’s uncomfortable, his feelings are valid. Even if he has no reason for saying no, he has every right to say no. He agreed when he thought it was on different terms. He changed his mind.
Someone can withdraw their consent at any time. It’s not permanent. I think this also applies to the twin sperm donation. Just because he agreed to it once doesn’t mean he has to or should “suck it up” and do it again. He is allowed to change his mind, and he is allowed to say no.
“If he knew my own sister was charging me, he’d look at their marriage differently “ self important mich? You really think a husband is going to change his WHOLE OPINION on his wife over a petty fight between sisters? I think this gives a little of insight on the OP and how they’ve been inserting themselves into their relationship, intentionally or not.
EXACTLY Op isnt giving me a good vibe on this one. Shes portraying her sister (WHOM GAVE HER SHELTER FOR A YEAR) as a bitch deliberately, and including the "kids dont cry as much" comment turned my ears on fire. Ofc theyre not going to cry with the aunt who DOES NOT discipline them
100% And the sister never offered to pay what she could? Just was okay freeloading for a year?! And then thought it would be okay to accept furniture for free? Oh and her parents pay for her car. The ENTITLEMENT 😳
Too many details missing on their friendship. Sister knows what she’s doing going BIL and not her sister. If she needed help with furniture she could ask her parents, literally anyone but she went to him knowing he would accommodate. There’s something going between them and wife knows. She not get that mad that easily unless she suspected something.
Uhhhh the one about the sperm is something I disagree with.
Firstly, the brother agreed the first time knowing it was his sister’s WIFE that was going to carry the baby, not his SISTER. Sure, he said yes the second time, but that was before he knew that it wasn’t going to be his sister’s wife carrying the baby. Let’s not forget that consent can also be revoked anytime.
Second, him being uncomfortable about that is clearly a boundary for him. Yes, he may have agreed to his sister’s WIFE carrying his sperm, but not his sister. Even if it isn’t technically her DNA being used, that’s where he’s drawing the line and that’s okay. Everyone has a boundary and that should always be respected.
Lastly, sure, if Morgan was in that situation she’d be fine with it, but not everyone shares the same perspective as her. Someone else, like her brother may not be fine with doing that even though she is. Heck, I personally couldn’t imagine doing that with my brother even if I was in that position.
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"My body my choice" not only applies to women but to men as well. Just cause he did it the first time doesn't mean he has to do it the second.
He said yes the second time also. Then, he found out his sister would carry the baby and took it back. He didn't care about them having another baby. He only cared about his his carrying the baby.
His body, his choice was listened to and respected and he agree. Then when it came to "her body, her choice" about CARRYING said kid, his mind was changed and it took away her right to choose for herself. It's just selfish to put your own feelings in the way when NOTHING ABOUT it is incestal or gross. But that's opinion and I'm allowed to disagree with his feelings without advocating for forcing it to happen against his wishes. He said no, it sucks, move on. But I'm allowed to think it's crap 🤷♀️😂
It's crazy to me that the sister and her wife are so obsessed with the baby being biologically theirs, but when the brothers issue is that the baby is biologically his and is uncomfortable with his biological sister carrying he/she.. He should just get over it??? I think if he's uncomfortable that's the end of the discussion.. There are other ways to have children..
I’m in the process of becoming a surrogate and that middle story is exactly why I would not do it for family… it gets too personal. I want to help a family from an objective standpoint without being emotionally attached for life to the parents or baby.
Lol them talking about a twin bond, and like… as a twin, naaaaah bro. My sister is awesome, but we’re just siblings. When my ten-year relationship ended, she asked why I was crying.
I also want to say, I do see where Morgan is coming from. She clearly stated that he has the right to say no (his body his choice), but all she was saying is she feels he’s over thinking something that’s not that weird. Obviously to each their own. He has the right to feel how he feels, but this situation isn’t abnormal. It’s not uncommon for a sister or even mother to be a surrogate for their sister or daughter. It’s s the same situation, only difference is it’s an egg that’s the commonality. Because of this, it makes me wonder if the weirdness stems more from the idea of sperm? It doesn’t seem people feel weird about women’s eggs and implanting eggs into family surrogates but when it comes to sperm in the situation that was mentioned, it seems like people can get weird about it. Not sure if that’s the case, but if it is, then it seems more discussion should be had about surrogacy.
Thank you. Definitely said it's obviously his choice. You make such an interesting point that people have an easier time with women eggs being implanted. So much to unpack with why that is but such an interesting take!
Nah i think same siblings/family members carrying babies for direct family is weird regardless aha.
A mother carrying her daughters baby, that’s a lot to process.
Sisters being surrogates with their siblings egg, a lot to process
The one about the twins I do kinda understand where they are coming from, one of my mums close friends is also lesbian and wanted to have kids, and used a family friend (basically their uncle) as the donor so that the dad would be close, however the kids have no idea. But if the dad said they weren’t comfortable then that’s that and it’s time to move on
I will never comprehend how people ask for major “favours” and call others selfish when they don’t get what they want ?!
The story regarding sperm donation to twin sister:
I think his feelings are valid and he is entitled to revoke consent considering the situation he originally agreed to has changed.
I personally don’t find it weird, as I donated eggs to my sister in order for her to have IVF. She is a single person & wanted kids for a very long time (we also have a big age gap between us). I have ZERO weird feelings about my niece & nephew being biologically my kids, and have never thought of them as mine.
I also never had any weird feelings about my sister being pregnant with my egg being a part of the embryo/child.
That doesn’t mean that he is not entitled to his feelings about it. It depends on the person, the familial situation, and the knowledge of the medical procedures happening.
He was okay doing it, once doesn’t mean he has to do it again. It’s weird to some people to know that your sister is carrying your technically child even if she’s not the biological mother. Sometimes is not more than they are just simply uncomfortable, it doesn’t have to be this big side problem as why he’s weird out by it. He just simply is and that’s it.
Kids typically show their worst behavior to their parent because that's their comfort person. My two kids will give me the hardest time but be angels when my sister watches them. I've seen it over and over again.
The way your brother says bag, that’s all I needed from this episode. I love it
There is some new data I read somewhere awhile ago about surrogacy and they actually have found that the surrogate parent does contribute some dna to the fetus, not as much as the egg and sperm, however because of that data I read I would not feel comfy with siblings carrying each other’s genetic children. Maybe I’m biased, Like I always thought it was really weird in Friends when Pheobe carried her brothers kids lol
For the brother donation story, can't the first child also still say the odd "my mummy's brother is also my dad" thing though? Either way, if he feels uncomfy he shouldn't do it.
Suck it up ??? His body his choice! No means no! If roles were reverse Morgan would not be agreeing with this at all !
In reference to the second story.The brother has no obligation to donate his sperm just because he did it before.Its his body and he can do what he wants.Morgan"s disregard for his not wanting to do it again by her saying that he should just suck it up since he did it before is truly stunning.If a woman goes out with a man and has sex with him and then chooses to go on a second date but refuses to have sex with him,he proceeds to rape her and uses the excuse that they had sex before so she should have sucked it up and done it again.Morgan would have a different opinion as she should.No one should control anyone's body, whether man or woman.
The pictures story…that couples communication cannot be good. She took private photos of him without his expressed consent beforehand! This is horrible.
SIL actually moved in with them recently too. Thats the only update so far. This will be messy for sure.
No Morgan he should not suck it up, the terms were completely different and if that’s making him uncomfortable then he should not “suck it up”
When you ask someone for their sperm, you’re agreeing to THEIR terms.
The stepsiblings dating…my goodness
The IBF situation is messed up in the sense that half siblings and adoption sounds like it's out of the question. His female twin sounds like she is reducing him as a sperm donor as opposed to being fortunate enough to have a strong bond with him in the first place to agree with this situation. I feel like even though he gave up his parental rights, Layla and Effie could potentially guilt him to doing anything simply because he did it once before. I wouldn't want someone to use the baby against me in later situations. He has a clear boundary he's not willing to cross and no one should make him feel bad about it. Layla has the right to carry a baby, but I wouldn't want to have any amount of risk for any mistakes just to avoid mixing the wrong DNA. I also wouldn't want to have to explain at length how any of the kids are related to me and expect a third party to fully understand the first time I explain.
I laughed for days when he said "maybe she got stuck in the washer" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Consent can be withdrawn at any time. If he doesn’t want to, he doesn’t have to
“suck it up” god damn no !
My step dad used to watch my cousin a lot and she would hear his kids call him Daddy, so at like 3 years old would call him “uncle Daddy” instead of “Uncle Terry”. Even in public and wouldn’t stop 😂
I can’t imagine the looks he got with those comments 😂😂
My sister and I have a 5 year age gap. Sometimes there’s not a lot of overlap in the things we talk about but your show gives us plenty of material and I am grateful because it really has made us closer in a way. 💕
Morgan! I love how on the twin one you brought up intrusive thoughts and connected it to twin bonds/a normal sibling connection! I was thinking that the whole time you were reading it because of the way he removed himself from the situation (which is similar to avoidant compulsions with ocd) and I know how anxiety can make people fear the worst. I just don’t believe that siblings raised together from birth can or would develop an attraction to each other; there’s a biological mechanism in place that prevents that from happening. It’s more than just a social taboo, our brains are wired to be repulsed by the scent of genetically similar siblings that we were raised with from early childhood. But yeah, the way he isolated himself from his family sounds of a lot like anxiety.
yes i totally agree with this we are genetically wired to seek out partners tht would create strong and healthy offspring !! inbreeding in humans and all life forms cause deformities and severe mental and health issues. an abomination to human life honestly
There are exceptions to all kinds of genetics. Odd attractions happen in various ways, and in a world of LGBTQIA+++ and a million fetishes including incest, there's no way you should logically entertain the thought that a biological mechanism will apply to 100% of the population.
I feel like everyone is getting Morgan’s words wrong, she said very clearly consent should be involved. She’s just saying the fact that it’s his sister carrying the baby, shouldn’t discourage him. Of course consent should be involved. I see the situation as the sister being the “surrogate” and him just helping out her wife.
Thank you! Exactly what I meant!!
It didn’t come off that way if everyone in the comments is misinterpreting. This is creating good discourse and it could be a learning experience for her to be more careful with her words when she says to “suck it up” just because the OP is a man.
Still nope. It is still borderline incest. It's riding that line still.
Except when you said “well you’ve done it before, why won’t you do it again”? That’s literally coercion and trying to take someone’s consent away, but in a more “gentle” manner. Even though, it’s a “jOkE”, if you’re going to put yourself out there on a podcast and explicitly be very pro choice, etc, then you have to be on both sides of that and also, willing to take criticism. Quite honestly, I find it strange that she not only said it originally, but also thought it was still fine when she went back to listen and edit it before posting it. One of the most important men in her life (her boyfriend) was sitting 10 feet from her and had a pretty uncomfortable look on his face. That would make me pretty upset to feel like her supportive words are only going to be there for herself and other women, but men aren’t allowed to have that as well. Also, there’s a HUGE difference between taking/giving criticism, and getting shit on/bullied for something she said on the internet..
@@sarahwiater6835 except she has no real impact on what op chooses to do, the only people he’s looking for input from is the people that comment on his og post. So I think her joke is quite literally a joke.
The sister who lived with her sis & BIL, if there was no contract written up when she moved in as to what she would have to pay them then she owes them nothing.
Don’t offer to let someone live with you if you’re gonna surprise them with all the charges when they move out because of your emotions at the time.
Also children cry way more with their parents because it’s where they feel the safest. It’s nothing to do with the sister being ‘better’ at taking care of them
I've noticed a trend where Morgan tells the male OP to basically suck it up but if the roles were reversed and the female OP was writing in the consensus would have been different.
It’s crazy how much her brother looks and sounds like her dad. Even the way he moves and speaks.
Whats funny is Jerry isn't related to any of us actually. He adopted us all/we adopted him rather 😂 but I love hearing that I look like him or have his mannerisms.
@@TwoHotTakes no way!! I never would have guessed that in a million years. I need to see a DNA test I don’t believe you. Lol
Nah. Being okay with doing something once doesn't mean you automatically have to be okay with doing it again. *Especially* if the situation is different. Even if it were the exact same, he has a right to change his mind.
I’m so glad so many of these comments disagree with Morgan...usually I agree with her but it’s more about consent with the sperm story. You can revoke consent at any point. That’s like saying if you had s*x with a person once then they can do it again even if you don’t want to. Sounds messed up right? You wouldn’t tell that person to “suck it up” would you? Ick
I find myself looking for these videos and getting upset when they aren't published exactly a week later!!! Very cool episode.
Nah, Morgan, you can’t be gaslighting this. “Suck it up” but all the comments hearted are defending your stance on it with “she said it was still his body his choice” but I had to skip the last half of the discussion because it was just to weird. It doesn’t matter if he’s done it before, it matters if he wants to give his own bodily fluids away. And ignoring the actual men in the conversation, just feels like we’re going down the femnazi road instead of equality.
Edit: “getting lost in my poor humour” no, we’re getting lost in the fact you sound like a boomer man telling me what to do with my body because I’ve already done it once before. We’re trying to get rid of that mindset
Why does Morgan never remember sayings correctly 😂😂😂😂
Has anyone ever noticed that?
"Put their shoe in their mouth " lmao
This episode was so crazy!!!! More like this. I love the crazy stories lol. Good job on the video
The look on Matt's face when the realization hit of where story 1 was going 🤣🤣
I also have/had half siblings. But I never felt the need to make the distinction. They're my family.. that's all that matters
Just FYI the only reason I said "have/had"is because my oldest brother passed. RIP you amazing dude
It cringed me so much to see the guys so uncomfortable at Morgan's "suck it up , you already did it once " 😆 . Yeah but last time was the wife carrying the baby , not his actual SISTER. It's weird, it's not the same thing. And he is clearly not comfortable (why would he) with it, therefore he can ,and should , just say no.
The silence after "suck it up" speaks volumes.
Will never be sad or confused why Justin is included ✨ he is welcome here
Completely disagree with Morgan for the sperm donor one. Telling someone they have the right to their body and then turning around and saying they need to suck it up because they already did it once seems hypocritical. The brother is not obligated to donate again just because he did it once, especially when you are dismissing his feelings. His sperm his choice to where he wants to put it and what he wants to do with it.
It’s my DUNCLE 😂
I've had a rough relationship with my older sister(11 year difference) but she would NEVER expect me to pay any bills or any supplies, even food. I've stayed with my sister for 3 months once for my auto school(getting my driver's license) and she never even mentioned money to me or my mom. She would even pay for my food or the supplies I needed. For me, the sister in the story is def in the wrong. Her husband was being a nice brother-in-law who probably bonded with the girl more since she lived with them for a year. I understand it's a long time but you grew up with your sibling and lived with them for years. If she was just being lazy and didn't help at all and was causing problems then yeah I understand the payment. But since she helped around the house and with the kids she doesn't owe her anything. I would have done the same for my sister who has now 3 kids and a husband. I don't care if I live on the floor for a year. Family is family. Just my opinion.
Yes! There's definitely something off with the sister. It's not like OP was lazy and didn't want to get back to work. In one of the comments OP states that while she was there she was actively trying to find a job. How is it her fault that she didn't find one (especially in this economy)? If it was my sister I would let her stay forever if she needed my help. Besides they didn't arrange for payment before she came tolive with them, sister can't now change the tune after a year and say "you owe me thousands of dollars" that's not how contracts work.
I’m sorry Morgan, you’re so wrong on the sperm/surrogate one. Do not agree.
Exactly. I can see that some people might think it’s not weird but saying suck it up is pretty insensitive imo. I would also be uncomfortable to be in this position if my siblings asked
Believe people when they tell you something. The twin who 'fell in love' with his sister was obviously sexualizing the relationship in his head. To the point that he was super afraid of doing something horrible so probably rape or assault. He sought help from a therapist and moved out of the country. So he must have been super afraid of what he might do. He is still protecting his sister but from himself. His decision should be respected.
Bro what? I think the “ rape or assault” part of this comment is so out of pocket. Rape isn’t ever about desire or love, it’s about power. I seriously doubt her brother was worried about him assaulting her, especially if he truly loves her. Contrary to popular belief, men can control themselves and not act on sexual thoughts. I think it was more that any feelings or thoughts of incest is deeply disturbing for both of the parties involved in the story and he just needed to remove himself.
That twin one made me a bit emotional because I lost my twin brother. I think it was very smart of him to own up to what he went through and how he's going to therapy. Very uncomfortable, but good on him.
I looovve your podcast, one hour feels like 20 minute😂😂😂😂
My wombmate is my best friend now and we have a bond that is unbreakable. When she moved I felt like a part of me was missing and when she moved back to my state, I felt whole again. It really is almost like when my husband is gone, I feel incomplete. It is weird, but she is apart of me.
The story about the sisters and the videos is very strange. There is definitely some manipulation and people pleasing going on. She's probably so used to giving in to her sister that even if she hesitated in the beginning she still gave in just to stop her from begging. I don't know, that just seems super toxic, the husband needs to bring it up and she should 100% go to therapy and learn how to set healthy boundaries with her sister.
I have identical twins, their bond is very different from a sibling bond. Connected to the point they get the same injuries within in days and same place! The bond between them is magical ❤
Ok … it’s still a SIBLING bond not a romantic one
Ok so I have a theory on why SIL wanted tapes of her sister and her BIL doing the deed. As they are sisters they probably look alike, so I think she likes to think it is her (in place of her sister) with her BIL doing the deed. I honestly hope it's just me thinking too deeply about it because otherwise,it is pretty f*cked up.
I know this video just came out but this needs more views! This stuff is crazy!!! 😂 I love this segment, there were great stories and great takes ❤️
Sorry Morgan. I don’t agree. Our body, our choice. He was ok with it once, he is allowed to change his mind. He is allowed to say no. Just because he did it once, doesn’t mean he should be guilt tripped into doing it again. Would we tell anyone to have sex with a someone they don’t want to have sex with anymore? “You did it once. It’ll make (him or her) happy. Just do it one more time and not talk to them for 9 months while you get over it.”
It’s really interesting to see different perspectives in the comments since usually everyone agree with what Morgan says. But it’s called “Two Hot Takes” anyway so it’s nice to see people respecting each other’s opinion.
Twin surrogacy story: I would 1000% carry a baby for my brother and his wife if asked. But they shouldn't peer pressure him into helping.