Rust-Oleum Enamel Paint- How Long to Outgas? SHOCKING!!

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  • @Jonathan-jo2xu
    @Jonathan-jo2xu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    That's like expecting the can of paint to off gas while it's sealed up, you gotta take off the plastic

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The cabinet is not sealed in the plastic. The plastic is open in several places and there was a free flow/exchange of air. Even if the outgassing process should have taken longer due to the cabinet not being fully exposed, there's no way it's ideal, or practical to have the Rust-Oleum enamel paint take that many months to stop smelling. Furthermore, there are many others who have experienced the same problem, sans plastic.

  • @Painmaster212
    @Painmaster212 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The smell isn't toxic and won't bother you after a few days of running a fan or opening a window, unless you have a sensitive nose, so for most people, it's fine because they'll go nose blind to it. Next time use a Urethane product, which is just as good as the oil stuff and won't off gas as much or as long.

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a helpful tip/suggestion, so thank you. With regard to the Rust-Oleum smell and toxicity, I believe you're mistaken. The odor from the outgassing is easily/extremely noticeable and the vapors that the paint gives off are absolutely harmful to the human body. VOC paint is paint that contains Volatile Organic Compounds (VOC for short). VOCs are harmful chemicals carbon-containing substances that vaporize at room temperature and enter the atmosphere. Over time, these chemicals are released into the air through off-gassing. Eye, nose and throat irritation, headaches, nosebleeds, fatigue (tiredness), nausea, and dizziness are just some common symptoms from exposure to VOCs. Some people may experience an allergic skin reaction, such as itching, rashes or hives. Long-term exposure to high levels of VOC can cause liver and kidney damage, respiratory and cardiovascular diseases, and cancer. If children breath in these vapors it can cause real damage. I read an article that described how parents often paint the nursery or baby's room right before they are born. They don't allow enough time for the vapors to dissipate before bringing the child home from the hospital. It's a terrible thought, but it happens. Even when there's trace amounts left that are hard to smell, they are still VOC's nonetheless. So whenever possible, leave the furniture outside to outgas. If not, then as you say, keep windows open for 24 hours at a time if you are living in the same area that has been painted. It less than ideal to leave the windows open in the day and then close them at night. This information is readily available and it's not even controversial. I urge anyone interested or concerned to look it up. This is not fear mongering. This is best practice.

    • @Painmaster212
      @Painmaster212 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@efficientway Off Gases from oil paint could cause some side effects like dizziness, headaches, nausea, or other similar effects but those aren't severe and only if you stay in the said area with limited air flow for extended periods of time. Any time you use it as long as you don't stay in the room and have a fan and or a window opened to provide air circulation, it's not an issue if your not sensitive to it. You're thinking too much into it, this isn't lead paint or old fashioned oil paint, new oil paints have been severely modified to alleviate the dangers, which is good but has also made the product not preform as well as older ones did. All that being said, you do you and what you feel comfortable with.

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Painmaster212 👍

  • @nocandopdx
    @nocandopdx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Where is it suppose to out gas to? You contained the gas around everything and basically marinated it making it smell worse because you prevented it from curing. The smell goes away in like a week if you don't trap it around the surface

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The cabinet was not sealed in. The plastic was not taped all the way around... most of it was open to the elements and the Rust-Oleum had ample ability to outgas. I agree, not as well as if I had no plastic at all, but think about what your wrote above. If it should normally outgas in one week, surely within all of the months that past, with that loose/open plastic, there should not have been any smell. Yet there was, each time I tried to take in. The reality is that Rust-Oleum enamel paint will not fully outgas and stop smelling after one week. It takes way longer. There are plenty of people across the internet that have shared similar experiences and the problems it caused (i.e. when they need their furniture right away and can't wait months like I did). Additionally, everyone's sense of smell is different and if you left your painted item outside and kept it there permanently, it would be difficult for you to smell the various states of off gassing. Outside in the open air the smell is easily diluted by the surrounding, moving air. Bring your enamel painted item indoors after a week and see if you notice a difference. I'm confident you will.

  • @heyb6268
    @heyb6268 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The plastic was the killer. That slowed down the process big time. I just painted the inside of our metal kitchen cabinets with this exact paint and it only took a couple days with the cabinets doors left open. The more air volume you can get passing over it the quicker it will go

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm sure the process of outgassing would have been quicker without any plastic at all, but would it make a difference of months? Others who have not used plastic with Rust-Oleum enamel paint have had similar experiences to mine. Depending upon how much air flow you have going through your kitchen and house, my guess is that you were eliminating the smells vs. the Rust-Oleum paint not outgassing or smelling for more than two days.

  • @danielsmith7534
    @danielsmith7534 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    also one thing I have found out is everybody has a different smell capability, I can smell something like paint fumes or whatever thats pretty strong and the person next to me smells nothing, and that happens like 95% of the time, so you might be similar to me, it can be a curse and sometimes it can be a good thing

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are absolutely correct as far as everyone having a different ability to smell and sensitivity to different smells. There are so many reasons people can lose their sense of smell either partially or entirely. In the case of Rust-Oleum enamel paint, I think we'd be in the majority in terms of the ability to smell the off-gas or outgas. It is not a faint smell and depending upon how much air flow a room receives and where it is located in a house or apartment (or even outdoors), the degree of the smell will vary. However, given how many people have complained about the same problem on the internet, I know you don't need a heightened sense of smell to become aware of Rust-Oleum enamel paint. Most of the complaints are on forums and in written reviews. Since so many people use TH-cam as a search engine or their primary source for info, I thought it would be helpful to make this video. But my experience is not unique.

  • @jonathansuarez9990
    @jonathansuarez9990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    It needs air to release those fumes why is this wrapped in plastic outside

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mentioned in the video, the plastic was loosely placed (with large openings/gaps) over the cabinet unit to protect it from the elements- dirt, insects, rain, etc. This cabinet was not made with treated wood and is meant for indoor use. Because of the large openings between the plastic, I did end up having to clean off some dirt, etc., but it was much less than I would have had to without the plastic. Thankfully nothing made a home in there over the course of several months! Additionally as you could see in the video, the unit was exposed to considerable wind which would have helped air travel between the plastic openings and also with the outgassing process overall. Between the time allotted, the ample air exposure/wind, the Rust-Oleum enamel took way too long to outgas to an acceptable/safe level.

    • @valdeleioliveira356
      @valdeleioliveira356 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@efficientway wrapped or not it doesn't matter because i use the same paint even the color was the same and after 3 months it still stinking, I just ruined my project with rust-oleum paint ,never again.

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@valdeleioliveira356 I'm very sorry to hear about your project. I know and understand the same frustration all too well in terms of the smell from Rust-Oleum paint outgassing. That is why I made this video- to warn others. With your added comments/experience, hopefully others will truly get a sense of the problem, so thank you for writing the comment. I hope all is not lost for you. It may take many more months, but eventually the smell from Rust-Oleum enamel paint will start to dissipate. Perhaps then you can re-purpose or use the original project. Just don't make the same mistake(s) I did and take it in too early LOL!! Thanks again!

    • @rickgold6664
      @rickgold6664 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've used it for different projects in the kitchen, shelves, craft type stuff, it's literally
      NO PROBLEM!
      I don't get this 2-6 weeks thing! 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rickgold6664 Two to six weeks would be generous. The Rust-Oleum enamel paint will off-gas for months. Do you live alone? If your projects were small enough and left in a large, well ventilated part of your house, it's theoretically possible you would not notice the smell from the Rust-Oleum paint, but if you were using the same exact enamel paint, it's hard to understand how more than one person would not smell the paint, especially after only a couple of weeks passed. If you read reviews across any forum, you would be considered the exception. Now if you did smell it, but it simply didn't bother you, that is a different matter as everyone has different levels of ability to smell. If you didn't smell it at all, especially in the first week, and you were in regular contact with the painted items, I would consider further tests. Whether you can smell it or not, and whether it bothers you or not, the fact is that the outgassing produces harmful vapors and you should consider this when accounting for pets, children, and adults.

  • @moonlightfordf1005
    @moonlightfordf1005 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Make your own chalk paint, 40% paint, 30% plaster of Paris, 30% water. Dries overnight, no smell! Sand or leave it as is.

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for the suggestion. What brand or type of paint do we use for the 40% "paint" component. Also, what brand plaster of Paris? Thank you in advance.

  • @samross1590
    @samross1590 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It may have out gassed a little quicker if it wasn’t wrapped in plastic the whole time! Lol it looks great dude.

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  ปีที่แล้ว

      To be clear, the cabinet has plastic around it, but it is not sealed in. On the contrary, it is more than just ventilated, it is open and exposed to the outside air. There is a definite exchange of airflow. If there were no plastic at all, yes you are correct, it would have outgassed quicker for sure. But given we are talking months, not weeks, taking into account there was plastic (with openings) on top, it should still IDEALLY have outgassed much quicker. Those who want to use Rust-Oleum Enamel paint should be aware it takes a long time, regardless. The paint does look good and holds up well. Thank you for the comment.

  • @Jonathan-jo2xu
    @Jonathan-jo2xu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I don't think I can off gas if you have it wrapped in plastic

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The cabinet is not sealed in the plastic. The plastic is open in several places and there was a free flow/exchange of air. Even if the outgassing process should have taken longer due to the cabinet not being fully exposed, there's no way it's ideal, or practical to have the Rust-Oleum enamel paint take that many months to stop smelling. Furthermore, there are many others who have experienced the same problem, sans plastic.

  • @giantsoftheskysrc
    @giantsoftheskysrc 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Japan dryer would have gotten you done in 4 to 5 days. Napha would have worked also.

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm not familiar with Japan dryer or "napha". What are those? How do they work to speed up the off-gas process? Thanks!

    • @hangten1904
      @hangten1904 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@efficientway They're additives to speed up the drying time of oil based enamel and dries to a hard glossy finish. Personally I haven't used it yet, but I bet the off gassing smell would still be there. There's another product called "Majic 0.5 pt. Catalyst Hardener, Clear" it works like the Japan Dryer.

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for answering that question. Those tricks to speed up the drying time of oil based enamel paints will be helpful to many viewers.

    • @greghight954
      @greghight954 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Japan Drier makes it dry way faster and gives a harder finish.

  • @soarerfilms9843
    @soarerfilms9843 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's good for exterior.

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolutely- Rust-Oleum Enamel paint is very good as far as paints go. The finish on mine came out well- a nice shine, but not too glossy. My reasoning for making the video was to warn others about how long it takes for Rust-Oleum enamel paint to outgas. Of the many reasons and uses for this paint, lots of people re-do "baby rooms" right before the child is born. They paint the walls of the room and often furniture (sometimes the furniture is second hand or from an older child). Many people (including myself until I studied it) don't realize how long even "low VOC paints" continue to outgas. It's months! The same is true for new carpet. A baby's room is the most extreme situation, but the reality is, no one should be breathing in the vapors from paints like this. So to your point, Rust-Oleum Enamel paint is ideal and great for exterior jobs like fences, and any objects that will remain outdoors.

    • @soarerfilms9843
      @soarerfilms9843 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@efficientway I painted a basement ceiling with it in silver and after a week or 2 it is fine as far as fumes go. For the first week it was bad but I was able to leave the house for most of time now it's not bad. I have used white brown black outside with great results too.

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If I had left this piece in after two weeks, my wife would have made me leave the house permanently! And she wouldn't be wrong... this thing stunk. Week after week I would check it. I doubt the white pigment had anything to do with it, but maybe. I know some people are more sensitive to the smell than others. With Rust-Oleum enamel paint, the length of the outgassing smell is a common complaint amongst internet reviews.

  • @007JakeD
    @007JakeD 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It’s oil based… it’s dry, it just has oils in it… it’ll smell for a long time.

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, that definitely seems to be the case. Do you think Rust-Oleum enamel paint will/does outgas longer than other oil based paints or is this just standard for all enamel paint? I don't seem to be the only one who's used it on items meant to be stored indoors (as opposed to outdoor projects only). I guess this video might be more relevant in terms of letting others who intend to use Rust-Oleum enamel paint for indoor projects know that it really shouldn't be. Thank you for the verification and taking time to comment. Given there's a bit of debate about the outgassing, others will find your comments helpful.

  • @scummy73dude64
    @scummy73dude64 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You should have left it 24 hrs before redcoat. And never wrap it in plastic. Even with holes it would have cured a lot faster if not wrapped

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No doubt it would have outgassed a bit quicker, but the difference in the rates doesn't account for the months that it took. There's something particular about Rust-Oleum Enamel paint. I've had no issues with the paint itself, i.e. how it cured or the finish. It's actually a nice glossy white.

  • @grouchisk3783
    @grouchisk3783 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Who doesn't like the smell of paint?

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Righhhht. "I love the smell of paint in the morning"

  • @nomad7653
    @nomad7653 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it takes a long time to cure

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Indeed! Rust-Oleum Enamel paint is good paint, but just as you said, it does take a long time to cure and the smell from the out-gassing lasts a very long time.

  • @thecriticatnumberonegringo5322
    @thecriticatnumberonegringo5322 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Take or out of the plastic and put it in the sun.

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea the heat definitely helps speed up the off-gassing process and it did get natural heat from the sun and air. The plastic was on loose, with ample ventilation. It was necessary because it was outside for so long and needed protection from dirt and insects. Even without the plastic, Rust-Oleum Enamel paint will take a considerable amount of time to outgas. So depending upon where the object you are painting will end up, the overall time required for the smells and hazardous fumes to dissipate should be taken into consideration. Thanks for bringing up the heat though. It's a good tip.

    • @thecriticatnumberonegringo5322
      @thecriticatnumberonegringo5322 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@efficientway I paint with rust oleum all the time. Painted a truck Monday with it. Smell is usually gone after a day. Truck is in the garage now with no smell. I also thin the paint with acetone. Maybe it drys on wood differently🤷🏻‍♂️ I remember buying furniture from pier 1 imports after collage and the fumes on that being horrible. It had to have been months after it was made and shipped from China.

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thecriticatnumberonegringo5322 Thinning the paint with acetone could have something to do with the better results. Maybe the wood too. Also, if your garage is not completely sealed, there could be an air exchange that's helping to mask the outgassing smell, etc. If you've used the exact same paint indoors, or brought an object indoors a day later (without opening windows, etc.) it's hard to believe you wouldn't smell it after 1 day. Outside, that's a different topic. Btw- it's not all Rust-oleum. I have used the metallic spray paint without issues. Just a handful of days outside was sufficient.

  • @Otis728
    @Otis728 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I used this stuff on the inside of a shipping container. It’s been 6 years and it still ruins everything I put in there because the odor is so strong.

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Others would doubt you, but if that container is normally shut (to prevent ruining the inside) and never got to air properly, I have no problem believing the Rust-Oleum Enamel paint still smells! I appreciate you posting this data point because people doubt just how much, and for how long, Rust-Oleum Enamel paint off-gasses. Thank you!

  • @856Dropout
    @856Dropout 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wrap yourself in plastic and tell me how much its breathes. Put it outside in the sun with a fan blowing on it.

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The sun/heat should have sped up the outgassing / off-gassing process. The cabinet was still open to the air and there was plenty of air transference. With the plastic on, how much longer should the process have taken? An extra 1 month, 2 months, 3 months? Other users of Rust-Oleum enamel paint report the same issues of a lingering smell without any plastic. It's a characteristic of this particular paint. It doesn't speak to the quality of the paint. I think it's a nice finish. But those using this paint for indoor projects should be aware.

  • @angeldavila4669
    @angeldavila4669 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    so its still farting?

    • @efficientway
      @efficientway  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Rust-Oleum Enamel Paint eventually stopped outgassing, but it was MANY MANY months later. As long as you know what to expect, and can thus plan accordingly (i.e. not move it into living quarters for a while), you should be fine. The smell of the Rust-Oleum paint and the health hazards associated with it will eventually go away.

    • @shawnm3839
      @shawnm3839 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@efficientwaygrow a dick dude. Light a candle and move on.