I have the exact same set Al. Mine even has the tender with the backup lights. My automatic dump car is black. Many of my viewers do not believe the backup lights are factory installed. I have confirmed they are 100% original. They have even said that tender does not belong with the 671 turbine. This is such a great video and topic! Congratulations on finding yours! 👍
Very cool to find an original one! I have had many say that it is not original, but after reviewing references, the Lionel 1948 lamp chart, and the fact that the person that I bought it from took this from a basement cleanout of the original owner points me to the fact that they did exist. I also talked with an older knowledgeable friend of mine with more than 60 years of collecting and actually owning an authorized Lionel service station who also confirmed that it was original. Finding an original one does not necessarily mean that it is very valuable tender, but I really like fining items that are very unusual and cool, and this one fits that category very well. It also sparks lots of discussion on either side which is also a good thing, because it made me do a little digging and research on it which I enjoy doing. Nice to hear someone else that has the same set, coming up with the same conclusion. Thanks!
@@alsvintagetoytrains7042What color is your keystone on the front of the boiler plate? My Keystone is black! After doing some digging, I discovered that it was the very first production run. It would be truly amazing if your keystone was black as well. This is my favorite turbine out of all 20 that I own.
@@alsvintagetoytrains7042If you google “671 with black Keystone” you’ll find the information that I discovered. The website is tandem or something I can’t remember.
This is outstanding Al! What a great find. Why would anyone not believe Lionel originally did this on a limited production run when it is clearly documented, is beyond me. You have a true gem in your collection! I wish you many years of fun with this unique set. Tom
@TomzTrainzandAccessories Thank you! I made a video talking about this train a few years ago and had a couple of comments saying that Lionel never made a backup light tender and that Lionel never used that light bracket in the postwar period. So I figured I would add references and comparisons this time. Thanks for watching!
Another great video with some Lionel history. Interesting in 1948 they changed the wheels to black, as apposed to the bright metal rims. I have the 1947 version which my dad got for Christmas that year. Lionel did provide them with different tenders over the years. I'm sure the backup lights were dropped due to the added extra cost. They probably saved a lot by removing that addition. Thanks for sharing, Al!
@jrmeindl I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Lionel sold thousands of turbines, and the extra cost of the lamp, lamp bracket, wiring, and extra labor did not justify the little play value. The light is always on, even though it was supposed to be a backup light. It was a fun project for me to bring this set back to life.
Hello Al, I also have that same 2671W tender but the backup light strip is all clear plastic, without the red dye for the center. Some of these that I have seen have the two outer clear lenses dyed red (I assume as red marker lights) with the center lens left clear; others as yours is, with the center lens dyed red. However, my tender appears that the light bulb stanchion is a more current socket, so I think mine may be a repro (the tender is stamped 2671W on mine, but the shell is a repro). Whatever the case, I still love the fact that it glows. And I agree, Lionel should've produced more of these. Great video, A+++
@joesattler2773 Thank you for your information and feedback. It was definitely fun researching the backup light tender. I posted a video on this tender several years ago, without any of the documentation, and several people chimed is saying Lionel never produced these, or Lionel did not have lamp socket brackets like this in postwar period. So I dug up as much information as I could. The 3 different references and the Lionel 1948 lamp chart confirmed it for me. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Fantastic PW layout and trains! Interesting that one of the consists that you're running has the same rolling stock that came with one of the early 50s Santa Fe 2343 Sets.
Really nice Al. I’ve been doing this a long time and based on what you’ve shown in this video, I concur that is a 2671W with an original backup light. Anyone who says that it’s not should not be trusted. I have beautifully boxed 1946 2020, 1948, 671 and a 1950 681 but unfortunately, don’t have the space that you have but one day I will
@goldenmanuever1176 Thanks! Always look forward to your comments and feedback. I have several turbines, some with boxes, but none in a set box. It sounds like you have quite the collection, based on your past comments, and I really hope you get to build that dream wide radius layout.
Such a comprehensive video! Now I'll keep my eye on these tenders to try to figure out which has the light. I doubt that sellers will allow me to disassemble it before buying.
@78Rudys It was only done for the first run of the 2671W tender in 1948, and this outfit was referenced as having some show up in the set. I believe the 2140WS set from 1948 (Same 671 Turbine with the green passenger cars) had some show up there as well. There are probably more fake ones than real ones as you can purchase a kit for the tenders that you can install yourself. Madison Hardware also installed the backup lights in some. Originals have a red lens in the center light and are rounded. The reproduction ones are typically flat and all clear or sometimes red on ends. Best of luck finding one.
That is a good possibility. I have also seen the kits being sold on eBay, so it is possible someone added that feature on their own. The plastic insert in most cases is all clear with flat top vs rounded and red in the center, some have red on the outside. Lionel did not see the play value vs cost to install a bracket, add wiring, and a lamp, extra time for installation, etc. so it was quickly dropped from the production line.
I knew about the Madison Hardware 'kits' for adding illumination to the 2671, didn't know they sold fully furnished tenders but I believe it. I forget if I knew for sure about there being some original tenders with the backup light, but it seems pretty well documented. Definitely good to be careful when buying, but it looks to me like you have an authentic tender. The thing that especially sells it for me is a mix of the red paint/coloring for the middle light being present, and the fact that it's history is pretty well locked in- one owner, who wasn't a train collector. If it came out of a train collection, it'd be less easy to have perfect confidence that everything went together and was original. That's my 2 cents at least!
@leverettrailfan5414 All good points! I posted a video a few years ago of the set, and several people chimed in, saying that Lionel never produced these backup light tenders from the factory. So I considered many of your points, like not coming from a collector. The three references and the 1948 Lionel lamp chart sold me on the fact that Lionel actually produced them. Thanks for the feedback.
@genemanno1533 It was a fun project to bring the set back to life. I probably have 10 hours or more, Sevicing, cleaning, rewiring, and repairing the set. But it gives me satisfaction to see it run, and it is kind of cool to find an original backup light tender. This one was definitely played with, and I'm glad to see it running again.
@@alsvintagetoytrains7042 Me as well, I focused on cabooses initially-there's lots of variations on the 2257 and 2357 cabooses...while hunting those, I bumbled on to a few nice early locos... like the early 2020 for example
@@ken0272 Very cool. I happened upon a nice 1946 turbine set with the 2020/2020W turbine/tender. The smoke bulb and double worm drive are kind of cool.
@@alsvintagetoytrains7042 Exactly! I had no idea it was an early 2020, until I took the front end apart and puzzled over the bulb/headlight assembly...just had to research it.They certainly weren't cutting corners in those days, uneccessarily complex design (but really cool)
@ken0272 There is always something new to learn. I actually like to research what I have when I pick up something new for the collection. I remember making a video on the various 224 engines and being able to see some of the modifications from prewar to postwar. I try to make many of my videos informational and hopefully entertaining.
REALLY NICE. would you be kind enough to answer a question for me? I seem to have a problem replacing the shell on my Turbines. The e-unit lever doesn't protrude all the way after I replace the shell. I've tried everything, and just can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
It is always tough to give a straight answer without seeing what is going on in person. The turbine shell is pretty straight forward in that it is primarily 3 screws from the frame that hold it in place. Questions come to mind like: Is something inside preventing that from happening like pressing against wires? If the wires are not laying in the right area when closing up the shell this could potentially be the issue. Is the shell tight against the frame with the three screws tightened or is there a gap between the frame and the shell? Was the e-unit removed and improperly placed back in the same position? Is the smoke unit/felt seated correctly with the smoke stake? Is the e-unit lever broken or loose? These are just some suggestions for you to check.
@richardsobieck9660 I bought the set in 2018, and believe I ordered the new boom through "The Train Tender." It helps to know the part number as you can go to the website and order it, or you can call Jeff Kane and explain what you need based on the craine car you have. Good luck. Thanks for watching.
Marx guy here, I was fascinated with your remarks about the two-piece transformer mixed colors. Making do with leftover previous year`s parts as did Marx. Are the autos parked nearby 1/64 scale? I`ve been doing the something with Marx from E-bay. " Don`t Overlook the Junk"
Marx guy, I was not sure, but checked and many are pretty much marked as 1:43 scale. Yes the two piece transformer was very interesting when I opened it up to replace the broken insulators with one molded in red and the other being black pained over a clear plastic. They were in business of making toys, so they did not waste much. Thanks for watching.
For me it was more of a labor of love to bring this set back to life than for the monetary value. I have about 10 hours of labor and some parts, so I could never recoup the time and cost, but the enjoyment of bringing back to life is the part that is very enjoyable for me. Thanks for watching!
I have the exact same set Al. Mine even has the tender with the backup lights. My automatic dump car is black. Many of my viewers do not believe the backup lights are factory installed. I have confirmed they are 100% original. They have even said that tender does not belong with the 671 turbine. This is such a great video and topic! Congratulations on finding yours! 👍
Very cool to find an original one! I have had many say that it is not original, but after reviewing references, the Lionel 1948 lamp chart, and the fact that the person that I bought it from took this from a basement cleanout of the original owner points me to the fact that they did exist. I also talked with an older knowledgeable friend of mine with more than 60 years of collecting and actually owning an authorized Lionel service station who also confirmed that it was original. Finding an original one does not necessarily mean that it is very valuable tender, but I really like fining items that are very unusual and cool, and this one fits that category very well. It also sparks lots of discussion on either side which is also a good thing, because it made me do a little digging and research on it which I enjoy doing. Nice to hear someone else that has the same set, coming up with the same conclusion. Thanks!
@@alsvintagetoytrains7042What color is your keystone on the front of the boiler plate? My Keystone is black! After doing some digging, I discovered that it was the very first production run. It would be truly amazing if your keystone was black as well. This is my favorite turbine out of all 20 that I own.
@@TwistedMacGyversTrains Very interesting! Mine has the red background with gold 6200 and perimeter trim. I just learned something new.....
@@alsvintagetoytrains7042If you google “671 with black Keystone” you’ll find the information that I discovered. The website is tandem or something I can’t remember.
Awesome set and very cool tender. Thanks for showing the internal components. 😎👍
That is a solid set. It is cleaned up nicely and looks great.
@stevenbills217 It started out as a basket case, but I enjoyed bringing it back to life.
This is outstanding Al! What a great find. Why would anyone not believe Lionel originally did this on a limited production run when it is clearly documented, is beyond me. You have a true gem in your collection! I wish you many years of fun with this unique set. Tom
@TomzTrainzandAccessories Thank you! I made a video talking about this train a few years ago and had a couple of comments saying that Lionel never made a backup light tender and that Lionel never used that light bracket in the postwar period. So I figured I would add references and comparisons this time. Thanks for watching!
Beautiful engine and they pull great
Outstanding Set. I really enjoy your post war train set videos. Thank You🙏🙏👍❤️
@RABSTRAINS Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the videos. As you can see, I primarily collect postwar and prewar Lionel. Thanks for watching.
Another great video with some Lionel history. Interesting in 1948 they changed the wheels to black, as apposed to the bright metal rims. I have the 1947 version which my dad got for Christmas that year. Lionel did provide them with different tenders over the years. I'm sure the backup lights were dropped due to the added extra cost. They probably saved a lot by removing that addition. Thanks for sharing, Al!
@jrmeindl I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Lionel sold thousands of turbines, and the extra cost of the lamp, lamp bracket, wiring, and extra labor did not justify the little play value. The light is always on, even though it was supposed to be a backup light. It was a fun project for me to bring this set back to life.
Cool find
Great information 👍
@@donaldwiller9238 Thanks!
Hello Al, I also have that same 2671W tender but the backup light strip is all clear plastic, without the red dye for the center. Some of these that I have seen have the two outer clear lenses dyed red (I assume as red marker lights) with the center lens left clear; others as yours is, with the center lens dyed red. However, my tender appears that the light bulb stanchion is a more current socket, so I think mine may be a repro (the tender is stamped 2671W on mine, but the shell is a repro). Whatever the case, I still love the fact that it glows. And I agree, Lionel should've produced more of these. Great video, A+++
@joesattler2773 Thank you for your information and feedback. It was definitely fun researching the backup light tender. I posted a video on this tender several years ago, without any of the documentation, and several people chimed is saying Lionel never produced these, or Lionel did not have lamp socket brackets like this in postwar period. So I dug up as much information as I could. The 3 different references and the Lionel 1948 lamp chart confirmed it for me.
Glad you enjoyed the video.
Fantastic PW layout and trains! Interesting that one of the consists that you're running has the same rolling stock that came with one of the early 50s Santa Fe 2343 Sets.
Really nice Al. I’ve been doing this a long time and based on what you’ve shown in this video, I concur that is a 2671W with an original backup light. Anyone who says that it’s not should not be trusted. I have beautifully boxed 1946 2020, 1948, 671 and a 1950 681 but unfortunately, don’t have the space that you have but one day I will
@goldenmanuever1176 Thanks! Always look forward to your comments and feedback. I have several turbines, some with boxes, but none in a set box. It sounds like you have quite the collection, based on your past comments, and I really hope you get to build that dream wide radius layout.
Such a comprehensive video! Now I'll keep my eye on these tenders to try to figure out which has the light. I doubt that sellers will allow me to disassemble it before buying.
@78Rudys It was only done for the first run of the 2671W tender in 1948, and this outfit was referenced as having some show up in the set. I believe the 2140WS set from 1948 (Same 671 Turbine with the green passenger cars) had some show up there as well. There are probably more fake ones than real ones as you can purchase a kit for the tenders that you can install yourself. Madison Hardware also installed the backup lights in some. Originals have a red lens in the center light and are rounded. The reproduction ones are typically flat and all clear or sometimes red on ends. Best of luck finding one.
@ your explanation makes sense. I will remember it when I attend the next train show in the LA area.
Great information! I have one of these but the lights are all clear/green I assume this is a Madison hardware variation then. I never knew!
That is a good possibility. I have also seen the kits being sold on eBay, so it is possible someone added that feature on their own. The plastic insert in most cases is all clear with flat top vs rounded and red in the center, some have red on the outside. Lionel did not see the play value vs cost to install a bracket, add wiring, and a lamp, extra time for installation, etc. so it was quickly dropped from the production line.
I knew about the Madison Hardware 'kits' for adding illumination to the 2671, didn't know they sold fully furnished tenders but I believe it. I forget if I knew for sure about there being some original tenders with the backup light, but it seems pretty well documented.
Definitely good to be careful when buying, but it looks to me like you have an authentic tender. The thing that especially sells it for me is a mix of the red paint/coloring for the middle light being present, and the fact that it's history is pretty well locked in- one owner, who wasn't a train collector. If it came out of a train collection, it'd be less easy to have perfect confidence that everything went together and was original.
That's my 2 cents at least!
@leverettrailfan5414 All good points! I posted a video a few years ago of the set, and several people chimed in, saying that Lionel never produced these backup light tenders from the factory. So I considered many of your points, like not coming from a collector. The three references and the 1948 Lionel lamp chart sold me on the fact that Lionel actually produced them. Thanks for the feedback.
Neat to see post war Lionel that appears it was played with a lot. After all these toys were intended to be played with not just sit on a shelf.😊
@genemanno1533 It was a fun project to bring the set back to life. I probably have 10 hours or more, Sevicing, cleaning, rewiring, and repairing the set. But it gives me satisfaction to see it run, and it is kind of cool to find an original backup light tender. This one was definitely played with, and I'm glad to see it running again.
Good job. Agree 100pct on it being a 1948 lamp, I have the same passenger cars with the same bracket
@ken0272 Thanks! Early postwar Lionel are some of my favorite trains.
@@alsvintagetoytrains7042 Me as well, I focused on cabooses initially-there's lots of variations on the 2257 and 2357 cabooses...while hunting those, I bumbled on to a few nice early locos... like the early 2020 for example
@@ken0272 Very cool. I happened upon a nice 1946 turbine set with the 2020/2020W turbine/tender. The smoke bulb and double worm drive are kind of cool.
@@alsvintagetoytrains7042 Exactly! I had no idea it was an early 2020, until I took the front end apart and puzzled over the bulb/headlight assembly...just had to research it.They certainly weren't cutting corners in those days, uneccessarily complex design (but really cool)
@ken0272 There is always something new to learn. I actually like to research what I have when I pick up something new for the collection. I remember making a video on the various 224 engines and being able to see some of the modifications from prewar to postwar. I try to make many of my videos informational and hopefully entertaining.
REALLY NICE. would you be kind enough to answer a question for me? I seem to have a problem replacing the shell on my Turbines. The e-unit lever doesn't protrude all the way after I replace the shell. I've tried everything, and just can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
It is always tough to give a straight answer without seeing what is going on in person. The turbine shell is pretty straight forward in that it is primarily 3 screws from the frame that hold it in place. Questions come to mind like: Is something inside preventing that from happening like pressing against wires? If the wires are not laying in the right area when closing up the shell this could potentially be the issue. Is the shell tight against the frame with the three screws tightened or is there a gap between the frame and the shell? Was the e-unit removed and improperly placed back in the same position? Is the smoke unit/felt seated correctly with the smoke stake? Is the e-unit lever broken or loose? These are just some suggestions for you to check.
@@alsvintagetoytrains7042
I've checked all of the above. E-unit was never removed. I've checked the wiring.
Nice set! I have a similar crane car with a broken boom. Where did you get your replacement? Mine has the part that raises and lowers it broken.
@richardsobieck9660 I bought the set in 2018, and believe I ordered the new boom through "The Train Tender." It helps to know the part number as you can go to the website and order it, or you can call Jeff Kane and explain what you need based on the craine car you have. Good luck. Thanks for watching.
@ thanks. I have the k line repair book so I can find the number. I appreciate the help
Marx guy here, I was fascinated with your remarks about the two-piece transformer mixed colors. Making do with leftover previous year`s parts as did Marx. Are the autos parked nearby 1/64 scale? I`ve been doing the something with Marx from E-bay. " Don`t Overlook the Junk"
Marx guy, I was not sure, but checked and many are pretty much marked as 1:43 scale. Yes the two piece transformer was very interesting when I opened it up to replace the broken insulators with one molded in red and the other being black pained over a clear plastic. They were in business of making toys, so they did not waste much. Thanks for watching.
Love that bad boy
For me it was more of a labor of love to bring this set back to life than for the monetary value. I have about 10 hours of labor and some parts, so I could never recoup the time and cost, but the enjoyment of bringing back to life is the part that is very enjoyable for me. Thanks for watching!