Great Video, honestly that 1.5Ah battery really under powers this jigsaw.. pop on the 3.0 or higher and this comes to life. Also this is a brushed motor as well, surprised that Milwaukee hasn’t released a Fuel version yet as it would keep up with that 20v
Hey there, 25yo lady here who had a handy dad that never really showed me how to use these tools, I didn’t even know how to put the blade in so thank you very much! I just put up some curtains in my kitchen and my dowel was too long :( I spent longer than I’d like to admit trying to find someone who shows how to put in the blade and now I fear I might not be able to stop myself from finding more things to use my tools on :)
Model 2445-21 is not a "newer version" of model 2445-20. The 1 simply indicates it is model "2445-20" in a kit with (1) battery, which adds the 1 at the end of the bare tool model number.
I've owned mines for about 6 yrs now great little 12v jigsaw. Heavly used in a daily maintenance setting & it's still kicking ass lol. Just can't wait for a brushless fuel version . We will see what happens....
I'm just getting into wood-working and I'm leaning towards this jigsaw over the others specifically because it's a little less powerful. Most of the ideas I have for projects are just chopping up plywood so this seems like a nice safe option to learn on.
I use Mafell and Festool but, as you say, at times they are too big. So I'll be getting the Milwaukee M12 exactly because of it's tiny size and the other thing: other brilliant tools in the M12 range that I like. As it's an only an extra and not for everyday or heavy use, I think it will meet with my expectations. If it hadn't been for the other Milwaukee M12 tools, I might well have gone for another brand.
U need to try it with a 5ah high out put battery I run all m12 at work and they all ran a lot better when I got the 5 ah battery plus it’s 12 volts so if u want to get something better than that dewalt you need to get the m18 my boss got it and it’s magnificent
I agree 12 volt versus a 20 volt is ridiculous. Why people say these things is unreal. Then get all 20 volt tools. If you force a tool like the jigsaw to cut hardwood and pushing it even with a 20volt tool you can damage the stroke bar. So being rough doesn't help
3 things: 1.MURDERS batteries. 4.0 or higher for any heavier work 2.The base comes unlocked and goes all sideways on mine constantly. Fail. 3. I don’t know enough about these, but I hate that the air exhaust doesn’t clear the cut line. Like, it’s blowing tons of air, point it at the blade.
DeWalts 20V(and all 20v competitors) is the same as 18v(ie Milwaukee M18 or Ryobi One+ 18V), it's just marketing hype in America, in other countries with tighter marketing regulation the dewalt 20v is called 18v. The change from DeWalt's(and other brands) 18v to 20v came with the shift from NICAD to Lithium and Lithium's battery layout where NiCad had 15 - 1.2V cells in series vs lithium's 5 - 3.7V cells in series also lithium's ability to supply more current meant Dewalt and other brands had to change the battery connections on the batteries and tools to handle the added amperage. people would have been upset to have to buy all new tools just because DeWalt just decided to change the battery style and kept the same 18v name, so saying 20v made people feel they were getting more power, which they were but it was from battery chemistry not by voltage aside from 0.5V nominal, but the transition went a little smoother with the help of creative marketing. In reality comparing an 18v or 20v tool to M12 line is not exactly fair, because they have 18.5 nominal volts, where as M12 line uses 3 battery cells in series to only make 11.1 nominal volts, that's a 40% difference. Also the M12 line only uses 18650 cells(limited by the battery design because the battery's need to fit into the handle of the tool) where as 20v systems can use the larger 21700 and 26650 cells that can put out more amperage.
lol, i can and i will, it's good to see how the 12v holds up to the bigger tools, especially for people who don't necessarily want to spend big bucks on big tools
@@hammerandhome I own 10 different m12 tools and every one is underpowered compared to the m18 or dewalts 20 v. except the M12 fuel multi tool it’s hands down the best multi tool on the market no matter volt or brand
I think the battery was a bit to small for that saw I would use at least a 4.0 with it… also the Fuel is probably the way to go. I have the M18 Fuel D handle and I swear it’s a beast. Good honest review though. I was thinking of getting the barrel handle M12 if they make a Fuel version
I actually ended up getting the M 12 and I put the 4.0 battery on it and I have to say I’m really surprised how underpowered it is… I wasn’t expecting it to be like that
Been using it and bosch for 5 years cutting holes in drywall ceilings, the lightweight overhead is fantastic. The bosch was more comfortable but I got an m12 battery 3-pack on black Friday for 100 bucks so I use the m12 more because I usually have something charged
As a Milwaukee Fanboy, I appreciate your honesty. I dont like buying subpar tools just because i have 9 Milwaukee batteries that need a home. There is always adapters to use milwaukee batteries dewalt or makita tools
I'm getting one tomorrow through amazon. I should have seen this video first before I purchased it but I will be using it with a coping base and designating it for coping pine trim so maybe it will be alright for that. What are your thoughts?
I think it will be great for that. I’ve been using it more lately and it’s starting to grow on me. Just pick the right blade and you’ll be fine I think.
For most projects and even some big projects you could use an M12 fuel impact driver and hammer drill. For big projects going the hybrid route is the best use the M12 fuel impact driver for smaller screws, and the M18 fuel for larger screws and whenever the M12 fuel gets uncomfortably hot. So you have the larger tool for power and the smaller tool for less fatigue.
I have heard from another channel and I also noticed here at 11:15 M12 gets a really clean cut. For this reason, and for home occasional use, I’ll keep mine.
I purchased one of these a long time ago and the base comes loose every time I'm cutting, any reason why this happens? I paid over $100 for this junk. I have lots of Milwaukee tools but this is not compact nor a convenient tool. It only holds T shank blades versus way cheaper brands they hold both types. I own different brand names and that's because of the application I use them for.
Your trying to push the saw to do extra work. Get the oscillator off the tool. I find it perfect for the speed. People complain about under power. I find it perfectly. So why hurry on a 12volt tool. The job will look better if you slow down the cut.
i tried this one and it felt anemic compared to even other 12v saws, which i know arent as powerful as 18v+. I ended up with a skil 12v jigsaw for my small/tight work. Makita also makes a really nice small 12v jigsaw but it was out of my price range. The bosch one is even more anemic than this one so its a hard pass for me.
@@hammerandhome the mount of control on a barrel grip is killer, dewalt makes a 20v barrel grip that is really nice seeing that your already in that battery platform.
The m12 is supposed to be used for small projects, not big construction projects. It works great for what I need it for, if I need to do big jobs I whip out that m18! That's a badass jigsaw
Your 20v tool is a lie because all 18v battery will measure 20v with no load, but actually 18v once the motor kicks in. So don't kid yourself that you have 2 more volts than other 18v systems.
@@edmondwong6117 yah I know. But it's easier than saying "my 18v tool pretending to be 20v because it has a different battery pack." Supposedly that's also why they "renamed it" which may or may not be partially true. Lithium vs the old ni cad stick which performance wise was just as good as Li, but it had some issues like memory effect.
I think some people who dont know anything about saws might want to know what to get, there is a big price difference between the two units. it good to compare every thing, dont you think? then when you buy, you know what your getting, cheers.
Crap, I just ordered this with a battery combo for $78.00 with a hack. It's clear from your video that this saw is way under powered. I will return it when it comes in. I'm a Dewalt guy, but don't want to pay $169.00 for the Dewalt since I don't do enough jig sawing to justify it. Might just try the Ryobi 18V cordless. About $69.00.
Expecting a unbias opinion from someone with a wall full of Dewalt is a nonstarter. Invite a hardcore Milwaukee person to handle the red tools for you. Even better if it's a female friend just because no one I know of is. Saying it's underpowered with a 1.5 amp hour battery is just disingenuous. If more power is needed the M12 4.0 XC battery is the best choice and ups the power substantially.
Are you kidding complaining while literally using the weakest battery ever produced by Milwaukee a jig saw needs a 4.0 at minimum the power difference is immense
You’re also comparing a 20 V tool to a 12 V tool let’s use our brains here
true, but it's good to see how things compare
@@hammerandhome I can respect that!
Wish he would have used a 4.0 battery or maybe a 6.0 would have really brought that little saw to life, the small battery’s are ok for just getting by
12v compete directly with 18/20 volt tools now.
Just another Milwaukee bashing effort.
Great Video, honestly that 1.5Ah battery really under powers this jigsaw.. pop on the 3.0 or higher and this comes to life. Also this is a brushed motor as well, surprised that Milwaukee hasn’t released a Fuel version yet as it would keep up with that 20v
Hey there, 25yo lady here who had a handy dad that never really showed me how to use these tools, I didn’t even know how to put the blade in so thank you very much! I just put up some curtains in my kitchen and my dowel was too long :( I spent longer than I’d like to admit trying to find someone who shows how to put in the blade and now I fear I might not be able to stop myself from finding more things to use my tools on :)
Model 2445-21 is not a "newer version" of model 2445-20. The 1 simply indicates it is model "2445-20" in a kit with (1) battery, which adds the 1 at the end of the bare tool model number.
Yeah…..kind of a fail there lol
I've owned mines for about 6 yrs now great little 12v jigsaw. Heavly used in a daily maintenance setting & it's still kicking ass lol. Just can't wait for a brushless fuel version . We will see what happens....
that's great to hear, I think the fuel version will be alot better
I'm just getting into wood-working and I'm leaning towards this jigsaw over the others specifically because it's a little less powerful. Most of the ideas I have for projects are just chopping up plywood so this seems like a nice safe option to learn on.
I have one and I love it in a tight spot … works great
No orbital action is what slows it down. Works well for fine cuts, not so much for fast rough cuts.
thanks for the info
i just got mine. i have not used it yet. Well i made one cut. i liked the proformance, but it just one cut.
How do you compare 12V against 20v?
I use Mafell and Festool but, as you say, at times they are too big. So I'll be getting the Milwaukee M12 exactly because of it's tiny size and the other thing: other brilliant tools in the M12 range that I like. As it's an only an extra and not for everyday or heavy use, I think it will meet with my expectations. If it hadn't been for the other Milwaukee M12 tools, I might well have gone for another brand.
i feel the same about the m12 line, so many cool tools to chose from, its hard not to get into it. cheers
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U need to try it with a 5ah high out put battery I run all m12 at work and they all ran a lot better when I got the 5 ah battery plus it’s 12 volts so if u want to get something better than that dewalt you need to get the m18 my boss got it and it’s magnificent
I agree 12 volt versus a 20 volt is ridiculous. Why people say these things is unreal. Then get all 20 volt tools. If you force a tool like the jigsaw to cut hardwood and pushing it even with a 20volt tool you can damage the stroke bar. So being rough doesn't help
The base plate lock keeps unlocking due to the vibration of the tool. It makes the tool I bought useless. Returned it right away.
3 things:
1.MURDERS batteries. 4.0 or higher for any heavier work
2.The base comes unlocked and goes all sideways on mine constantly. Fail.
3. I don’t know enough about these, but I hate that the air exhaust doesn’t clear the cut line. Like, it’s blowing tons of air, point it at the blade.
You can't compare a 12v saw to a 20v saw lol The 18v would be a fair comparison to be honest . for 12v brushed tool I can't complain
DeWalts 20V(and all 20v competitors) is the same as 18v(ie Milwaukee M18 or Ryobi One+ 18V), it's just marketing hype in America, in other countries with tighter marketing regulation the dewalt 20v is called 18v. The change from DeWalt's(and other brands) 18v to 20v came with the shift from NICAD to Lithium and Lithium's battery layout where NiCad had 15 - 1.2V cells in series vs lithium's 5 - 3.7V cells in series also lithium's ability to supply more current meant Dewalt and other brands had to change the battery connections on the batteries and tools to handle the added amperage. people would have been upset to have to buy all new tools just because DeWalt just decided to change the battery style and kept the same 18v name, so saying 20v made people feel they were getting more power, which they were but it was from battery chemistry not by voltage aside from 0.5V nominal, but the transition went a little smoother with the help of creative marketing.
In reality comparing an 18v or 20v tool to M12 line is not exactly fair, because they have 18.5 nominal volts, where as M12 line uses 3 battery cells in series to only make 11.1 nominal volts, that's a 40% difference. Also the M12 line only uses 18650 cells(limited by the battery design because the battery's need to fit into the handle of the tool) where as 20v systems can use the larger 21700 and 26650 cells that can put out more amperage.
lol, i can and i will, it's good to see how the 12v holds up to the bigger tools, especially for people who don't necessarily want to spend big bucks on big tools
@@hammerandhome I own 10 different m12 tools and every one is underpowered compared to the m18 or dewalts 20 v. except the M12 fuel multi tool it’s hands down the best multi tool on the market no matter volt or brand
Thanks for the review Brad 😎😍😎😍😎 wondering if you can put a Collins coping foot on it??? I love my DeWalt D handle too!!!
Definitely not good at coping crown or baseboard. I had to use it in a pinch because my Dewalt was at the shop. Ended up doing it by hand.
@@trooperfitclub thanks for the heads up, I have no need for this then😎😒😎
yeah i don't think so, thx for watching Ted
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I think the battery was a bit to small for that saw I would use at least a 4.0 with it… also the Fuel is probably the way to go. I have the M18 Fuel D handle and I swear it’s a beast. Good honest review though. I was thinking of getting the barrel handle M12 if they make a Fuel version
yeah I just picked up a 4.0 so i'll do some back to back tests.
@@hammerandhome have you noticed any differences with big battery?
@@hammerandhome any updates with the 4.0 battery used?
dont think this jig saw comes as a fuel yet, which is why I do not have one
I actually ended up getting the M 12 and I put the 4.0 battery on it and I have to say I’m really surprised how underpowered it is… I wasn’t expecting it to be like that
Been using it and bosch for 5 years cutting holes in drywall ceilings, the lightweight overhead is fantastic. The bosch was more comfortable but I got an m12 battery 3-pack on black Friday for 100 bucks so I use the m12 more because I usually have something charged
It is best for it size..I’m also own the 18v .
As a Milwaukee Fanboy, I appreciate your honesty. I dont like buying subpar tools just because i have 9 Milwaukee batteries that need a home. There is always adapters to use milwaukee batteries dewalt or makita tools
thanks!
I'm getting one tomorrow through amazon. I should have seen this video first before I purchased it but I will be using it with a coping base and designating it for coping pine trim so maybe it will be alright for that. What are your thoughts?
I think it will be great for that. I’ve been using it more lately and it’s starting to grow on me. Just pick the right blade and you’ll be fine I think.
They need to come out with a fuel version it's a very old model Keep it going Waiting for you guys to go live again
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Totally agree! Yeah it’s been pretty busy with work but we are starting to shoot a bunch more and get back onto the lives again 🍻😊
For most projects and even some big projects you could use an M12 fuel impact driver and hammer drill. For big projects going the hybrid route is the best use the M12 fuel impact driver for smaller screws, and the M18 fuel for larger screws and whenever the M12 fuel gets uncomfortably hot. So you have the larger tool for power and the smaller tool for less fatigue.
I have heard from another channel and I also noticed here at 11:15
M12 gets a really clean cut. For this reason, and for home occasional use, I’ll keep mine.
I may be mistaken but I believe you may find the results are better with the 4 amp battery.
I purchased one of these a long time ago and the base comes loose every time I'm cutting, any reason why this happens? I paid over $100 for this junk. I have lots of Milwaukee tools but this is not compact nor a convenient tool. It only holds T shank blades versus way cheaper brands they hold both types. I own different brand names and that's because of the application I use them for.
I have one as I cut it unlocked I am at 0 and it’s goes to 30 it moves any suggestions
Mine did the same until I tightened the foot screws
how do you take off the plastic bit underneath the blade
Your trying to push the saw to do extra work. Get the oscillator off the tool. I find it perfect for the speed. People complain about under power. I find it perfectly. So why hurry on a 12volt tool. The job will look better if you slow down the cut.
Just got this tool in the mail yesterday. Gonna get a set of Diablo blades to go with it. Heard they are a great pairing. Great video.
i'm definitely going to get some of those blades and do another video with them and a bigger battery
An M12 version will be much better especially if they optimize it for the high output batteries.
Have you try the m12 fuel jigsaw?
no not yet, on my list
I don't believe there is an m12 jigsaw. Yet, anyway.
i tried this one and it felt anemic compared to even other 12v saws, which i know arent as powerful as 18v+. I ended up with a skil 12v jigsaw for my small/tight work. Makita also makes a really nice small 12v jigsaw but it was out of my price range. The bosch one is even more anemic than this one so its a hard pass for me.
yeah overall im a bit unimpressed with this thing, I thought it was going to be a winner
@@hammerandhome i took mine back 2 days after i got it. i wish more companies made barrel grip jigsaws.
@@jhippl I have always used the D handle style, but i must say I do like the feel of the barrel grip.
@@hammerandhome the mount of control on a barrel grip is killer, dewalt makes a 20v barrel grip that is really nice seeing that your already in that battery platform.
@@jhippl I definitely have to give that a try. I think I’m on all the platforms 😬😂
Why is there no comparison of this to the Makita 12v jigsaw!?
I was worried about this being brushed and not having enough power. You can pick it up with the current hack for $50, but I think I’ll pass
You need to try it with a larger battery and see if their is a difference
definitely, I just picked up a 4.0
@@hammerandhome will you be doing a comparison video to see the differences in the batteries
@@MultiGamingUniverse i sure will
Imagine using a full size jigsaw then saying an m12 is under powered.
The m12 is supposed to be used for small projects, not big construction projects. It works great for what I need it for, if I need to do big jobs I whip out that m18! That's a badass jigsaw
i definitely have to try the M18, I think this little guy is best for the small jobs for sure, thanks for watching. cheers
This jigsaw is ass it gets bound up even on thin cabinet material I use it on all the time.
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Welp, I've decided I needa stick with my 20v tools. the 12v doesnt have enough power for me either. My dewalt 20v router on the other hand....
Your 20v tool is a lie because all 18v battery will measure 20v with no load, but actually 18v once the motor kicks in. So don't kid yourself that you have 2 more volts than other 18v systems.
@@edmondwong6117 NOOOOO D:
@@edmondwong6117 yah I know. But it's easier than saying "my 18v tool pretending to be 20v because it has a different battery pack." Supposedly that's also why they "renamed it" which may or may not be partially true. Lithium vs the old ni cad stick which performance wise was just as good as Li, but it had some issues like memory effect.
the 4 amp hour or 6 amp hour batteries will make a difference
But the real reason is that its brushed, not going to get one till its brushless
i found it dosn't make a difference, ill keep playing with it
If they haven't yet, they need a fuel version
I believe they do, its an m18.
Thank you for this review! I had this in my cart, but have removed it. Went with DeWalt and haven't looked back.
You’re welcome!
-20 means bare tool, -21 mean with battery. Same tool
This is not a new version. Look at your tool, you will see 2445-20. 2445-21 is the kit but the jigsaw in the kit is still 2445-20
Thank you for the video! There's way too many complainers here 😂
its a 12volt of course its underpowered compared to the dewalt 20 volt
The M18 Milwaukee does destroy the DeWalt, but you're comparing 12v to 20v.... Huge difference.
Try it with a bigger battery it may have more power
i did, doesn't make a difference
The wood bounced because you weren’t holding it tightly enough , nothing to do with the power of the saw 🤷🏼♂️
No blower...sigh Milwaukee...why?
🤔 why exactly
Alot if good those safety glasses are doing on your hat. At least you look the part.
lol I meant to put them on
You have compared a 12v to a 20v tool, that is wrong, you need to compare the 12v with another 12v.
Did you really compare a 20v saw to a 12v saw?
I sure did, never hurts to know
@@hammerandhome haha ok. Did you ever test either of the M18's yet?
@@aquase unfortunately I haven’t. I’m hoping to get my hands on a lot more Milwaukee this year 🤞
Bro it is in the tittle its a compact jig saw of course its not gonna be the same as the full size
Compare m18 milwaukee to that dewalt 20v
I totally agree, but its good to see the difference for people who have know idea and are looking to purchase a saw.
dont use 1.5 battery on a saw...
just picked up a 4.0 and some 3.0, had a feeling the 1.5 was a bit to small
Comparing a Milwaukee M12 versus a Dewalt 18 V is unfair.
Sure is. But it’s worth knowing if they are a close in comparison or not. Some m12 tools like my gen 3 impact destroys some 18 v.
@@hammerandhome You have a very valid point
Dude, your comparing apples to grapefruits…try using an m18 fuel jig saw against that Dewalt.
I think some people who dont know anything about saws might want to know what to get, there is a big price difference between the two units. it good to compare every thing, dont you think? then when you buy, you know what your getting, cheers.
I'm kinda disappointed that your comparing a 12v with a 20v. Match it up with the m18 jigsaw and see the difference lol
i think its good to compare, big price difference and people might think it works like a M18 but it really dosn't.
You do realize you’re comparing a 12v to a 20v? If you want a fair comparison compare it to the Milwaukee 18v
true, but it's always good to see how they all compare to each other,
Crap, I just ordered this with a battery combo for $78.00 with a hack. It's clear from your video that this saw is way under powered. I will return it when it comes in. I'm a Dewalt guy, but don't want to pay $169.00 for the Dewalt since I don't do enough jig sawing to justify it. Might just try the Ryobi 18V cordless. About $69.00.
We are destroying precious rainforests by using batu from Indonesia.
Expecting a unbias opinion from someone with a wall full of Dewalt is a nonstarter. Invite a hardcore Milwaukee person to handle the red tools for you. Even better if it's a female friend just because no one I know of is. Saying it's underpowered with a 1.5 amp hour battery is just disingenuous. If more power is needed the M12 4.0 XC battery is the best choice and ups the power substantially.
lol, i actually did another vid with the larger battery, the tool is just not that great.
put the fkn 6.0 12v on it
Are you kidding complaining while literally using the weakest battery ever produced by Milwaukee a jig saw needs a 4.0 at minimum the power difference is immense
i have used the 4.0 as well. same results
It's 12v man, so obviously a little weaker than 18v. Also the batteries you using aren't great. Stop mourning
Bet now that you got some proper tools(Milwaukee) youll be acquiring some quality viewers. Just kidding, but seriously.
Lol 😂 thanks buddy
Your biased period
IT NEEDS A FUEL VERSIONB