A well meaning bloke..with a great shirt...lub da certina...my goodness..sound is spiritual..as are we amazing curious human beings..thankyou for your expressing your God given talents and a common sense..thankyou
An excellent look inside a concertina. If I ever have to open up mine (an anglo, but I'm sure it shares some things in common with the English) I won't be quite so queasy about the process. I know the tips about the screws will come in handy. Thank you!
Wouldn’t think it’s a student model. I have a 5 and half octave model with three rows of white keys and they also have the red Cs. Yours also looks like a top quality instrument.
@@daddylongles The buzzy low pitched sound that you had was almost certainly due to a faulty valve. Sometimes they can look OK but can vibrate in resonance with the main note, instead of lying flat to seal the slot in the reed pan. Also, if a valve has been replaced without completely scraping off all the old glue down to bare wood, the new valve does not sit flush on the reed pan surface but is slightly proud due to the old glue. This can cause air to leak and make a buzzy sound. You can clean off the old glue with a sharp blade, e.g. a scalpel blade; or a very narrow, very sharp chisel held parallel to the reed pan surface. But be very careful not to make a depression in the wood when doing this. PVA, animal/hide glue or gum arabic are the best glues to use to stick valves on. I prefer the latter. Easily available, easy to remove if necessary, and non-toxic.
@@daddylongles Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. My wife asked me to try to fix her a Wheatstone English with the same issues, and I had followed the same problem thought process as you with same end result other than then having nobody locally to take it to. Out of curiosity (having previously gently twanged the affected reed and cleaned with compressed air and sheet of paper to no effect) I took the reed pans out (without touching the clamping screws). Qualitatively the reeds sounded slightly different but identically pitched when sucking on them with my mouth. I swapped the inhale and exhale reed/ reedpan units over (noticing that the slot for the bad sounding reed had a looser fit to the pan) then reassembled the instrument and the problem immediately resolved. I cant explain this with certainty but speculate that the the pan wasn't sealing properly at its margins ( perhaps it had vibrated slightly towards outer edge) thereby creating some undesirable air turbulence disturbing the sound waves. Hope this addition info may be helpful to others searching similar holy grails :).
The smallest reeds don't normally have valves. They are not needed because the gap around the side of the reed tongues is so small that the air leakage is minimal. Fitting valves to these tiny reeds would (a) impede the desired air flow and (b) mute the sound somewhat.
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A well meaning bloke..with a great shirt...lub da certina...my goodness..sound is spiritual..as are we amazing curious human beings..thankyou for your expressing your God given talents and a common sense..thankyou
Don't put yourself down Excellent thank you
An excellent look inside a concertina. If I ever have to open up mine (an anglo, but I'm sure it shares some things in common with the English) I won't be quite so queasy about the process. I know the tips about the screws will come in handy. Thank you!
Thanks--this helped! Once again, I have an F natural on Both the press & the draw.
Glad it helped!
Nicely done.
Sounds like the valve to me
Thanks for such an informative video.
Wouldn’t think it’s a student model. I have a 5 and half octave model with three rows of white keys and they also have the red Cs. Yours also looks like a top quality instrument.
Thanks for posting this video. Very informative. Did you ever find what the problem was and how to fix it? Thanks
Hi,
No, I had to give it to my fettler, Martyn White to fix. Sorry, I can't remember what the fault was!!
@@daddylongles The buzzy low pitched sound that you had was almost certainly due to a faulty valve. Sometimes they can look OK but can vibrate in resonance with the main note, instead of lying flat to seal the slot in the reed pan. Also, if a valve has been replaced without completely scraping off all the old glue down to bare wood, the new valve does not sit flush on the reed pan surface but is slightly proud due to the old glue. This can cause air to leak and make a buzzy sound. You can clean off the old glue with a sharp blade, e.g. a scalpel blade; or a very narrow, very sharp chisel held parallel to the reed pan surface. But be very careful not to make a depression in the wood when doing this.
PVA, animal/hide glue or gum arabic are the best glues to use to stick valves on. I prefer the latter. Easily available, easy to remove if necessary, and non-toxic.
@@daddylongles Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. My wife asked me to try to fix her a Wheatstone English with the same issues, and I had followed the same problem thought process as you with same end result other than then having nobody locally to take it to. Out of curiosity (having previously gently twanged the affected reed and cleaned with compressed air and sheet of paper to no effect) I took the reed pans out (without touching the clamping screws). Qualitatively the reeds sounded slightly different but identically pitched when sucking on them with my mouth. I swapped the inhale and exhale reed/ reedpan units over (noticing that the slot for the bad sounding reed had a looser fit to the pan) then reassembled the instrument and the problem immediately resolved. I cant explain this with certainty but speculate that the the pan wasn't sealing properly at its margins ( perhaps it had vibrated slightly towards outer edge) thereby creating some undesirable air turbulence disturbing the sound waves. Hope this addition info may be helpful to others searching similar holy grails :).
Are you missing a couple of valves on the smaller side. Hard to tell maybe it’s meant to be like that but it looks like they’re missing.
The smallest reeds don't normally have valves. They are not needed because the gap around the side of the reed tongues is so small that the air leakage is minimal. Fitting valves to these tiny reeds would (a) impede the desired air flow and (b) mute the sound somewhat.
I think the valves need to be fixed