The FBI's New Cyber Super-Weapon Is The Dark Web's Worst Nightmare | Andy Greenberg
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- Andy Greenberg is an award-winning writer & journalist covering security, privacy, information freedom, and darknet hacker culture. He's the author of the new book Tracers in the Dark: The Global Hunt for the Crime Lords of Cryptocurrency.
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OUTLINE
0:00 - Introduction
6:13 - Hunting down Satoshi Nakamoto
14:00 - Interviewing Dread Pirate Roberts (Ross Ulbricht)
19:55 - Ross Ulbricht’s trial
22:55 - The Silk Road
39:24 - Chainalysis: The super-weapon against bitcoin
42:41 - IRS special agent Tigran Gambaryan
45:39 - DEA Agent who faked a murder and stole bitcoin from Silk Road
52:21 - Cryptography expert who cracked Bitcoin
59:47 - Mt. Gox heist
1:07:37 - Hackers & scammers in Ukraine
1:10:21 - AlphaBay darknet market
1:20:50 - The Kingpin behind AlphaBay: Alexandre Cazes
1:28:34 - The DEA sting that hijacked the entire dark web drug market
1:38:49 - Mysterious death of Alpha02 in a Thai jail
1:52:28 - How Hansa was hijacked by Dutch police
1:56:30 - The current state of the dark web
2:05:20 - Andy’s approach to journalism
2:14:15 - Interviewing Julian Assange
2:27:00 - State sponsored hacking & cyber war
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OUTLINE
0:00 - Introduction
6:13 - Hunting down Satoshi Nakamoto
14:00 - Interviewing Dread Pirate Roberts (Ross Ulbricht)
19:55 - Ross Ulbricht’s trial
22:55 - The Silk Road
39:24 - Chainalysis: The super-weapon against bitcoin
42:41 - IRS special agent Tigran Gambaryan
45:39 - DEA Agent who faked a murder and stole bitcoin from Silk Road
52:21 - Cryptography expert who cracked Bitcoin
59:47 - Mt. Gox heist
1:07:37 - Hackers & scammers in Ukraine
1:10:21 - AlphaBay darknet market
1:20:50 - The Kingpin behind AlphaBay: Alexandre Cazes
1:28:34 - The DEA sting that hijacked the entire dark web drug market
1:38:49 - Mysterious death of Alpha02 in a Thai jail
1:52:28 - How Hansa was hijacked by Dutch police
1:56:30 - The current state of the dark web
2:05:20 - Andy’s approach to journalism
2:14:15 - Interviewing Julian Assange
2:27:00 - State sponsored hacking & cyber war
If you figure out who is Satoshi, then two things are true, BTC=0, and Satoshi is a fool.
Satoshi = Kryptonite
Gold > Krypto
@@youKnowWho3311 Why is that? What if they are dead and no one has access to those coins?
What about physical bitcoin? There is a guy who made devices that allow for bitcoin to be spent in the physical form, where it is stored on a device that can be verified to have whatever is claimed on it, but only transferred once a specific piece is broken off. I know you still have it coming from an address and into another, but you can always make a new wallet and retain the ability to stay anonymous more or less. Either way I assume there are operations washing BTC through exchanges to monero and lost, though I am sure this has to come with suspicion of new wallets with BTC from that was originally Monero when traced back as far as it can.
@aaronwoodard8142 I am a tech guy by trade..... I can let you do the rest of the math, or you can know that your BTC is correlated to your network traffic and physical location with just a few tools. This statement is true for MOST people, but not all. Same for Gold. The difference is how you get it and what you do afterwards. There's a reson they will ban cash. There is also a reason the newer generations will gladly accept digital...... their bondage will be soo convenient.
@@youKnowWho3311 I don't think you understand that with a fully transparent system they cannot have a black market/budget. I am almost certain will prefer to retain anonymity for themselves while demanding you IDentify yourself, like it is some 2 way street. They are basically already like that, and have been pushing for it for over a century. Why will the newer generations gladly accept digital? I assume you do not qualify under that?
The kid from "Shiney Flakes" website that sold cocaine/Drugs did exactly what DPR did minus the "Attempted hit" but got nowhere near that kind of sentence like 18months in Germany. America is wild with time they give out
Ross' sort of crime is what the US prosecutes and penalizes HARD. Spies and traitors get less if they didn't expose something important (money-related).
US has highest incarceration rate per capita in the world. It's just sad.
It’s Super Hypocritical
judges in america think every person needs to be made a example of
like some mafia shit its horrible tbh.
They made an example out of him because it was something brand new
Maybe the intelligence agencies don't know who Satoshi is because they ARE Satoshi.. Imagine if the FIRST blockchain network created was actually run by 80% NSA nodes, all the while doing the MOST to appear as a bastion for incontrovertible privacy. Like Andy said, even if they don't possess a majority share of the processing power supporting the blockchain then there's still the ledgers
Exactly, the department of defense created both the internet that we know & also the dark web so wouldn't be shocked if the block chain was also a government/intelligence operation
Don’t you think they would have cashed out to fund their operations? $25b would build quite a few new NSA data centers
Don't forget about when the US government got the chemist to make them 1 Tonn of MDMA which went missing. Because who do you think is the world's biggest drug dealer? USA.
@@MrCraigtastic Who's gonna buy 25b worth? Especially if the Americans own the network
Exactly
definitely gonna need a part 2. great work.
Drug users received incomparable customer service from the Silk Road ecosystem. When something from SR put me in the psych hospital, I was able to warn other users in my feedback. I still gave five stars, because the vendor gave me what I ordered, but I made it clear to other users that I had decided to flush it. The vendor responded rapidly, apologized for my experience, and warned others himself.
What did you order?
Did he refund your money? That is the true customer service test. If he didn't refund your money, then he really didn't give an F if his customers loved or died as long as he got to keep the money. So, did he refund your money?
@@kimberlywalker_ why would he refund the money if he already bought it? he got what he ordered just couldnt handle it.
@@montaewilliams9174 Don't be daft. Willful ignorance is not a good look on anyone.
@@J-Mac8 5F-PB-22.
Brian Posehn is full of talents
^good content
William Leonard Pickard was in prison with Ross for a while and probably knows him better than most people. Leonard only got out from two life sentences for being the largest LSD manufacturer ever (aside from Eli Lilly I guess) because of the fentanyl crisis, the papers he wrote on fentanyl becoming a crisis back in the late 90s, and COVID sympathy (old man dies in jail from the flu type sentiment.)
You should interview Leonard, there's tons and tons of material there, and he knows a lot about whatever Ross was doing since they were best budz for several recent years.
YES!
Yes! Woah!
Nice tip
WOW thanks for that info. Knew of Pickards story and obviously Ulbrichts story but never knew they were in the same prison.
In this really good interview with William Leonard Pickard, he talks quite a bit about being in prison and knowing Ross well. th-cam.com/video/hg88J_B6wBc/w-d-xo.html
Loved this interview. I love hearing dudes who know what is going on and bring clarity to skepticism and conspiracy.
Koncrete has the greatest intro in the history of podcast !!!
This interview is amazing, such a well versed and very interesting guest to have on the pod!
This is my favorite Koncrete episode. Fascinating information 🤘
Koncrete is what JRE used to be.
Fact
Love it. JRE is getting worse and worse unfortunately. Danny has our back and knows what we want!
🤣🤣🤣so wrong
Nah ya just the jre fans that indulge in conspiracy theories and the underbelly of society
@@vicekingryu mainstream is lit yo
This was amazing! This pod is heavily underrated
Insanely good podcast. Definitely have this guy back on .
I find it incredibly hard to believe that technically minded folks like Ross didn't understand the blockchain. It's a PUBLIC LEDGER.
I think it was possibly the belief of "not gonna happen to me."
Ross didn't create the site he just directed the people he contacted for help. He was a philosophical mind, not a technical mind by any means.
Ross wasn’t caught because they traced his Bitcoin address back to his real identity
Ross got caught by an IRS accountant because he had posted his personal email address on a forum under his “DreadPirateRoberts” username when he was looking for people to work with him on the SilkRoad
I hear ya. I just feel like some people just feel like they will never get caught it's strange but it happens
The crypto scene is full of people who choose to believe the things they like. Smart and educated people who should know a lot better, but nope. Most are blind to a simple fact that the costs that go into designing, manufacturing, servicing, running and fueling the ASIC mining network massively outweighs the gains it brings into the economy in solving practical problems.
Especially because bitcoin proof-of-work problem that the ASICs are solving shouldn't exist anymore in the first place, since first proof-of-stake solution was created 10 years ago, that still works just as well as proof-of-work but with MUCH lesser costs.
Crypto is madness of current times that is fueled by greed and stupidity. People with weak ideals and those who manipulate them for personal gain. History will look back at crypto with a big WTF.
" Who has the restraint to sit on tens of billions of dollars "?? Government's! Who has the ability to make something on the web completely untraceable?? The NSA. Maybe nakamoto is the NSA?
ita russia
100 percent it was intelligence . To fool us into the coming digital CBDC programmable money age . Totally agree . NSA CIAor even MI6 or Mossad
Who can sit on a moldy sofa in mom's basement...
The cia is capable and sold drugs in the past
I disagree with the judge's argument of increasing violence internationally. It should not be the legal fault of anyone in a country, by that country, for crimes committed outside that country. Who cares if my actions indirectly cause violence in a foreign nation? I'm not being charged in that foreign nation, nor am I a citizen of that foreign nation, so why should there be domestic legal action taken against me due to events in a foreign nation?
Now, if said foreign nation wants to take action, that's fine, but a judge in the U.S. should not be legally allowed to sentence someone based on the actions committed (or for that matter, assumed actions, since there probably wasn't any evidence given to back the claim) in a foreign nation.
I watch all his interviews they're so interesting
Best podcast yet well done great guest
Satoshi is probably a govt entity or govt agent who wanted to create a traceable currency which appeared untraceable to everyone else
Pretty clear it was a way of tracking criminal funny money and a gateway to digital currency.
Facts. Test run for CBDC’s.
yes, obvi
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Interesting theory but if the government tried to create a blockchain currency they’d still be fielding bids on it and holding meetings. If you’ve been as unfortunate as I have to work a gubment job, I think you might have a different perspective
I'm shocked that "law enforcement" local or federal from Baltimore were involved in corruption 😂🤣
YOUR A BEAST ANDY, I just found you and your work is absolutely riveting !! Thank you for all that you do brother!
Do more of these kinds!
Excellent interview. I hope Andy DOES come back.
very good danny! I love your channel man~ you do the best podcasts....
Aww man i love Andy Greenberg
History is being written !!!!!!!! What a time to be alive !!!!!!
Facts, Monero XMR
Amazing episode!
one of best episodes ever, awesome
It never made sense to me why people thought you could have anonymity while having all transactions on a public ledger .
Monero XMR, thank me later King
When the FBI comes up immediately people think corruption.
No denying that.
Lmao
You could not be more accurate
How about, when anything gobmint comes up. Corrupt
If you can’t beat ‘em join em 😎 🇺🇸
Wow, this was interesting and a great summary of all those crazy things
His reference to Hamsterdam made him a real one in my book
💯
The Koncrete / Greenberg Collab is here 🤌
andy is a living legend love this guy
This has quickly become one of my favorite podcast’s.
Great podcast, thanks😊
Rip Silk Road and alpha bay. 2 of the best websites ever made 😢
Too good. Have him back soon!
Excellent interview.
Danny always coming with the heat
Seriously great work, killing it with these guests. I’m clueless in the world of crypto currencies for the most part and technical/computer stuff like hacking but this dude speaks well and does a great job explaining how it works. Great interview again and it’s a bit off topic but please interview Doug Tallamy!! Such an important subject with little to no acknowledgment.
Douglas Tuman a better interview imo
Andy knows the darknet and can write a great story. I loved this book! Andy, your buddy DeSnake went dark, and the market has been offline since February. There are rumors some other admin might take it over, but who knows. DeSnake just stopped updating the canary, so half the people couldn't log in due to 2fa.
I read this one too. Also read "Sandworm" Which inspired me to try and read Dune again. .
Ngl tempted to get back on the net been so long but I remember back in the day getting the best drugs and I didn't have to worry about any bs fent and all this other deadly shit going around
Fantastic guest.
I used to frequent alpha bay. Was apart of the exit scam from Grow More
Already knew about Ross but the takedown of the Alpha guy in Thailand was one of the most interesting things i ever heard.
One of my best friends got raided in 2014 for drug dealing during our sophomore year of college. He never understood exactly how he got caught it must have been through the block-analysis
He sold or was told on to a cop
Just kike he said he used online exchange and linked bank to it. There are cold wallets and I suppose offshore exchanges.. like he said maybe now Russia is offshore now.
Because Bitcoin is fully traceable.
I learned a long time ago that the “Hackers” are way ahead of the feds.
Hackers use Monero
This was great.
Never change your intro 🙌
As an ex user it's no one fault but mine for my drug use. If I died that was my fault no one else. I almost did more than 5 times
SHOUT OUT TO KONCRETE PODCAST! DANNY & AUSTIN KEEP DOING YOUR THING, YOU GUYS ARE HIGHLY UNDERRATED! 💯🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
This is a very interesting and educational podcast….. thank you
I wanna read this book!!!
Hes a Retard, Buy Monero XMR the successor to Bitcoin on the Dark Nets
So who tf actually killed Epstien. To get someone in there it would seem like the guards on duty would know at least something suspicious happened.
He isnt dead. Trump smuggled him to israel. Prob got facial reconstruction
His clients
There are fail safe systems built into jails. If the cameras weren’t working, the warden would have been notified at home.
Money and threats
Holy shit what an interview. Thank You!
I agree. best I've seen in a long time
The first thing a permanent, virtual transaction record should suggest is eventual trackability.
its’ almost implied !
Monero XMR, thank me later anonymissed
These "reporters' are not being honest
Dude kept smashing the whole podcast
An agent of Homeland security said that they met with Satoshi in the beginning and it was 4 people. Why is this still not known?
Those four were authorized to act in concert as needed.
@@jerrylouis8930 Explain your comment please?
@@boomcrypto8347 The value of the product is in the miners, right? Any action which protects them would have to be paramount.
The notion of a website for illicit affairs precludes the mechanisms by which those things (guns/drugs/etc.) already existed. Running an operation to undermine the miners with devices on hand cannot be underestimated.
@@jerrylouis8930 Thanks. One could have taken what you said earlier more than one way. Thanks for taking the time to explain. I had not looked at it that way.
source?
Awesome podcast bro
Bitcoin reminds me of the time cops used Superbowl tickets to catch wanted criminals!
This guy was a great guest. Really well spoken and able to sum up this complex narrative really succinctly.
Edit: just finished, get this guy back asap
Excellent podcast!! ✌🏻
Great take
Lol, that's why hackers and scammers use monero and pirate chain to stay anonymous. Allegedly, hahaha!
hey guys this is V sauce's cousin here
This was so good
Great show
Seems like you answered your own question in regards to who Satoshi is. Why couldn't the government have created it, told everyone that is it anonymous, then busted all the criminals that used it?
Because bitcoin isn't illegal
thaz what i'm sayin
because thats some shadey as corrupt shit for the govt to pull on people for 1 ...
I think that's exactly what happened. What better way to track criminals than to create a currency that only criminals would use in large parts
And because crypto being introduced to soften the population up for the coming CBDCs that are being rolled out around the world
If there is going to be a dark web where individuals gravitate. It makes sense to me that perhaps the world of surveillance would create an ideal dark world to trap them.
The alphabet agencies are the ones selling the stuff
Sounds like they already did
Monero XMR, thank me later bros
What a great intro. It goes y’all’s, than on the opposite side of the coin bein ian with Jordan’s intro. Lmao
the super air leak @1:23:26 is my ringtone for the next week - attaboi.
Amazing episode as usual!
Any chance of getting a guest talking about HAARP and the real behind the scenes of these earthquakes in Turkey?
th-cam.com/video/T501LHx0R_Q/w-d-xo.html
You might find that one interesting the topic of haarp is discussed here
@@xaviergrave5187 wow hey thank you for being so thoughtful. I'd already seen this one, one of my favs
Yea.that whole haarp situation is crazy shot. I have known about it for years n to control some natural disasters that could cause so many deaths with that one powerful machine but they can control them alright called cloud seeding program
@@xaviergrave5187 Yeah you’re right. It takes time and research for the mind to properly compartmentalise what’s really out there.
With recent global events, the US, Turkey and NATO. I’d be curious to get more info on what’s really happening with these earthquakes
remember Pakistan ? /Bam ? /Thailand-environs?/FookooShimahh?/see joe vials if you can find his stuff
This was a great pod 👏
" Half the DEA is CIA . " Charles Bowden
many of these are their own [joint task EnForcers] ?
I'm addicted to this podcast. good thing? Or a problem
Does anyone have a link to the leak about chainalysis telling the Italian police theh had compromised Monero?
also interested
Its not, Keep stacking, Dark nets are operating business as usual
I remember watching Silk road documentary and Ross's last were something "now that you taking my youth days away from me,kindly spare me my old age years for I am paying for my sins with my entire youth day"after being sentence to life without parole..it's sad to know he could have been killed in prison 💔
Bro he's in no physical danger In prison. When you're a big kingpin like him you get a lot of respect in the prison system 🤪
The guy Ross is in USP Tuscon Arizona max penitentiary and he's not considered a big timer or anything USPS are very dangerouse places to be his life is in danger just as anyone else who is there
Maybe he gets a lot of love on his books and can have spread and pruno errrrday
The silk road at least for drugs was awesome. Clean and pure not mixed with fentanyl
PLEASE DO ANOTHER WITH ANDY
Just legalize all drugs
Just include immediate execution for lesser crimes. Like dopeheads/dealers.
Worked great for Duterte. Dread Punk Roberts, meet Judge Dredd.
This is the way
Saying that violence higher up the chain increased is the worst argument I've ever heard. We are all dumber for you quoting a corrupt judge that was lying to justify a ridiculous sentence
@25:30 RIP to my Brother Jordan Mettee... Love you man. You are never forgotten.
Plot Twist: This guy is actually "D-Snake" and this interview is a brilliant catfishing / advertising campaign for the new AlphaBay...
🙀
Get ready boys!!!!
Ever heard of mixers and monero?
Based Chad
Chainalysis means nothing if you wash your crypto and convert it into Monero...then back to your coin of choice. Don't use a regulated exchange to conduct any cryptocurrency transactions.
Being in the ALS world, many of the old school patients with very slow progression know it was Finney. He has said it to them.
Straight dope.
Are you positive the FBI didn't have a hand in creating Bitcoin? They had a role in creating a "surveillance-proof" phone....
This was a really really good episode. Especially the fact - about "no one can hack/trace" cryptos. Knew it all along like because it was a marketing scheme. What comes to the identity of Satoshi, guessing the developer was really intelligence community. Only community that can keep 'secrets' like that closed this long. Only community/person, who would not need to use his coins. At all.
Satoshi’s identity isn’t in doubt. There’s even a TH-cam video with millions of views that names him. He isn’t affiliated with an intelligence agency in any way lol
perhaps it is one of those ‘subrosa’ un’tell agencys’lol
@@compromisedssh bs. Satoshi’s identity is 100% still in doubt. If his identity was proven it wouldn’t reside on just a single TH-cam video 😂
@@compromisedssh Why did you have to lie? I guess we all know the answer.
@@Jaroningo what are you talking about? Guess no one knows the answer.
Your intro is so great
I'd like to know how the authorities keep their infiltration underwraps when they take over as the admins? Every one of those admins prob talked to many other people, not necessarily about super secret stuff. Like do the original admins continue to send out messages or relay what to say to the agents? Would think it is pretty noticeable to see a difference in somebody especially in that type of environment.
Rip mcafee !! he told us about tracking Crypto already !
He didn’t tell us anything that other ppl told us years ago.
there are only 2 options as to who satoshi nakamoto is.its either the US government or china.
collaberation if you have any pieces.....
Paul Calder LeRoux aka Solotshi
i saw the thumbnail and thought "woah vsauce, but after finding out this man is not michael im still impresssed"
If you sell drugs on the street the start up takes a lot longer but if you move right it can last much longer than the 2 yr length of the average dnm
This guy's been writing about Bitcoin since 2012 and he still doesn't know the plural of bitcoin is bitcoin? Also, if you didn't know that every transaction has always been traceable, that's on you. It means you never bothered to learn what the word blockchain means. And if you're that intellectually lazy, you get what you get. Everyone I've known in the crypto world since 2009 has understood this basic stuff. It's the whole reason that blockchain would be perfect for government spending and voting. It's traceable and transparent, the two things the government doesn't want applied to them, but desperately want for the people.
That’s right, it’s also called a Public Ledger, which says it all.
Monero XMR for the People, BTC for Governments
The NSA created Bitcoin
Had my attention for 2 1/2 hours.
A half hour gap … right after playing with the “towel” , common tampering in the case of mxrder by law enforcement
Gnarliest intro of all podcast intros sir. Well done. Also, good interviews too 😊