Thanks for the video. I’ll need to look closer at this unit. We’re planning on doing the Northern, CA BAR all the way up to Canada and using just my phone seems unrealistic but budget wise this unit fits.
If you're doing a BDR, this is a great unit. The Tread maps the forest roads as if you're riding on roadways. The Tread also maps may of the unmarked trails making it easy to venture off the beaten path. Thanks for watching.
this is great. i need to dive in deeper. question, will this mount to an xt mount and harness? i run the xt on a few bikes. i need to keep the same hardware if possible
The mount is the same as the XT. Not sure if the pin configuration is the same. Good question. If yes, could save re-wiring, etc. I’ll do some digging and get back to you.
Directly from the Garmin site … Upgrading from a Compatible Tread or zūmo XT to a zūmo XT2 Existing mount and power cables (including Group Ride Radio) from the following GPS Navigators are compatible and can be used when upgrading to a zūmo® XT2 GPS Navigator. Tread® (5.5") Tread® - Base Edition (5.5") zūmo® XT (5.5") While Garmin recommends installing the mount and power cables provided with the zūmo XT2 for peak performance, backwards compatibility was designed to aid in customer experience with pre-installed cables and mounts for the above devices. NOTE: You cannot use an original zūmo XT device with a zūmo XT2 mount due to the differences in configuration.
Thank you for the video. I agree that this unit may perform better for off-roading compared to the XT2. However, as an adventure rider, I would appreciate it if you could provide a comparison between this unit and the Zumo XT2, focusing on features relevant to adventure riders.
I like the Tread from what i read but how about international travel like Central and South America? GPS Satellite signal or cell signal is hard so I am wondering if this will help me navigate outside where there is NO signal for Google maps. Let me know if ya know.
I've heard of satellites losing their course over the equator perhaps causing loss of GPS satellite signal. However, I don't know the answer to your question. Good luck to you
I use OnX for hunting in the Northeast (US). In my opinion, the maps on both the Tread & OnX are equally detailed with forest roads, hiking trails, and general topography. From my experience, both do a great job of laying down your tracks. However, the Tread is better suited for navigation in the wilderness, like riding a BDR - the Tread shines in this application. Hope this helps
Nice review, I'm considering replacing my Zumo XT (original version) with a Tread. Can you provide a bit more detail on what is required to enable the group ride functionality? I.E. do the other riders have to be on XT2's or Treads and is the group ride initiated through the phone app? Also, any idea on the range for tracking other riders in the group? I've used this function on a Trailtech - worked fairly well although the range was somewhat limited.
Apologies for the delayed response. With the Tread Base unit, you'll need the Group Ride radio kit. With the larger Treads, too big for a motorcycle, the Group Ride function is built in. When you mount the group ride kit, it adds 3/4" of depth from the mount to the face of the Tread GPS - I'm not a fan of how bulky it looks. Also, if you run the Tread in portrait mode, the antenna sticks straight out to the side, perpendicular to the unit. I'm looking for a hinged antenna to run it parallel to the GPS. The other riders will also have to have the group ride function for communication. If you're only doing tracking, you'll be able to see the other riders on your screen even if they don't have group ride radio. We've experienced somewhat better talk-reception compared to our Sena headsets. Tracking riders seems to work up to about 1.5 miles when not in heavily wooded areas. Honestly, I wouldn't invest in the group ride function for offroad motorcycling. The manner is which you initiate the talk-function is clunky compared to just talking a Sena or similar headset. Hope this helps. Feel free to reach out if you have more questions.
Does Garmin update the MVUM maps like GAIA does? How does the Garmin TOPO maps compare to the Garmin 24k TOPO's? I ran a OG Garmin Montana and BaseCamp for many years on my motorcycles. Then I got into 4x4ing and eventually went away from the Montana to using GAIA exclusively. Now getting back into the motorcycling world, I am trying to find a solution that works for me.
Hey, thanks for reaching out. I don't have experience with the GAIA app. The 24K TOPO provides much better clarity than the typical Garmin TOPO. From my experience, the map clarity on the Tread is excellent for off road riding. And it's certainly much better than the Montana I had which was a 2020 release. Another note, the Tread touchscreen sensitivity is great with gloves on. I move the Tread back and forth between enduro bikes, an 890 Adventure and ATVs. Great in all scenarios. Good luck
I've been running(motorcycle) a Tread Basic for about 6-8 months. It works fine, but what you really need to go with is what all your riding buddies have. I cannot communicate with the XT/XT2 crowd, and NONE of my friends have the Tread. Plus, it is $100 more than the XT. Also, the feature to see your other buddies on screen only works if you have a data signal.
Yes, you're right on having compatible units with your buddies. For me, having access to the USFS maps is most important given we're riding forest roads and trails 90% of the time. The ability to communicate is a close second.
@@MichauxOutdoors Just a follow up - I just did a trip to Canada, and one of my riding buddies figured out how he can send a route/track from his XT to my Tread Basic. We did it twice successfully.
I'm not an expert on this topic, but from my research, the Garmin Overlander runs on an older OS while the Tread runs on the newer Tread platform. For me, we ride 90%+ off-road and the Tread series offers mapping of the USFS (forest service) roads which is a game changer. If the USFS roads aren't a priority for you, the Overlander is also a good choice. BTW, I also like the group-ride functionality of the Tread. The ability to talk with other riders is enhanced and your able to track where other riders are located.
The USFS map should display automatically. We're out on vacation. I'll look at the gps next when back and share with you how the map profile is configured. Stay tuned ...
I got a tread for Christmas and I am working on picking a mount for the 890. Which mount did you go with? I was looking at the vanesche or the Cnc . Thanks for any advice
I use the Vanasche mount - works great! and excellent quality. No issues with the Vanasche mount after 4000 miles of riding off-road. Plus, I like the way the Vanasche mount positions the GPS in relation to the TFT. Let me know what you decide.
I like my Tread for the most part, but there is one feature that is probably going to make me sell it for a Trail Tech..... No screen lock, so water on the screen really messes with my map, waypoints, sets random waypoints on its own, etc, etc.
From a pure GPS perspective, I agree with you. I purchased the 66i first, primarily for hunting and hiking. Intentionally bought the "i" for the InReach capability. I run the 66i along with the Tread when ADV riding for two reasons. First, I want the InReach capability out on the forest roads and single track. Many times I'm riding alone so the "i" provides some peace of mind. Secondly, I like the GPS redundancy. When exploring in the mountains, I rely heavily on the GPS. A compass would also work, but I appreciate the gps redundancy. Thanks for reaching out
It really isn’t very good. It’s still just a Garmin. I got one and honestly, I would much rather run a mix of calimoto, google maps and Gaia. Recently, the Tread kept trying to make me go “off-road” into the forest basically. No visible roads, just outdated routing. It’s also extremely slow to recalculate route. I can’t understand how terrible these devices are with all the space they have to add half decent hardware. The only good thing about these devices is that they’re glove friendly and I like the Point of Interest feature while riding. Helps me identify where gas, food, camp sites are etc.
Are you running those apps on your phone? Also, if I’m not mistaken, that cluster of apps will cost you over $400 annually for lesser map coverage than the Tread. If I’m mistaken, please help me out. Last I looked, Calimoto and Gaia don’t include the USFS roads and trails maps. Appreciate you chiming in. If an equal or better solution exist, I think we’d all like to know about it.
Help me understand ... are you referencing BaseCamp or the UI on the device. I agree that base camp is very difficult to use, I struggle with it. Sounds like I didn't make it clear in the video, what I like about the Tread unit is that BaseCamp isn't needed in many cases given the breadth of pre-loaded maps.
@@MichauxOutdoors No mate your vid is great. I am referring to the Zumo XT and Base Camp and Garmin Express and Garmin in general. It is like they have no idea what their customers want or need. They have been doing it for long enough you would think they have got it by now. I just wouldn't buy anymore of their stuff based on the experiences I have had with the XT and other Garmin GPS units I have used. Look at all the vids on TH-cam and other sites explaining how to use the units - it should not be that complicated. The problem we have now is that they are moving away from dedicated GPS units and going to all this wearable stuff.
Got it. Wearables don't work for ADV riding. I definitely want a screen I can reference by glancing down into the dash area. And BTW, I refuse to use basecamp. It's so complicated and the output once you've figured it out is still not intuitive. For my purposes, riding lots of forest roads, the Tread being pre-mapped with the forest roads virtually eliminates my need to use basecamp.
Are you suggesting to use the Tread platform for mapping routes instead of basecamp? I see this post is a month old. Have you had a chance to try mapping with Tread?
I love my xt2, as I'm adv. Riding internationally. Thanks , another great video Mike!
Many really like the XT2. Do you find the XT2 capable when you're off-road?
Thanks for the video. I’ll need to look closer at this unit. We’re planning on doing the Northern, CA BAR all the way up to Canada and using just my phone seems unrealistic but budget wise this unit fits.
If you're doing a BDR, this is a great unit. The Tread maps the forest roads as if you're riding on roadways. The Tread also maps may of the unmarked trails making it easy to venture off the beaten path. Thanks for watching.
this is great. i need to dive in deeper. question, will this mount to an xt mount and harness? i run the xt on a few bikes. i need to keep the same hardware if possible
The mount is the same as the XT. Not sure if the pin configuration is the same. Good question. If yes, could save re-wiring, etc. I’ll do some digging and get back to you.
Directly from the Garmin site … Upgrading from a Compatible Tread or zūmo XT to a zūmo XT2
Existing mount and power cables (including Group Ride Radio) from the following GPS Navigators are compatible and can be used when upgrading to a zūmo® XT2 GPS Navigator.
Tread® (5.5")
Tread® - Base Edition (5.5")
zūmo® XT (5.5")
While Garmin recommends installing the mount and power cables provided with the zūmo XT2 for peak performance, backwards compatibility was designed to aid in customer experience with pre-installed cables and mounts for the above devices.
NOTE:
You cannot use an original zūmo XT device with a zūmo XT2 mount due to the differences in configuration.
It's a great looking product, gotta get one. Thanks for the heads up!
No problem 👍
Thank you for the video. I agree that this unit may perform better for off-roading compared to the XT2. However, as an adventure rider, I would appreciate it if you could provide a comparison between this unit and the Zumo XT2, focusing on features relevant to adventure riders.
The ZumoXT2 is a 6" screen
You're right, thanks for the correction
I like the Tread from what i read but how about international travel like Central and South America? GPS Satellite signal or cell signal is hard so I am wondering if this will help me navigate outside where there is NO signal for Google maps. Let me know if ya know.
I've heard of satellites losing their course over the equator perhaps causing loss of GPS satellite signal. However, I don't know the answer to your question. Good luck to you
@@MichauxOutdoors I would buy it after confirming it works around the world not relying on cell phone signal but TRUE satellite signal :)
Any idea if there's a notable difference between the Treads' maps and those offered by OnX?
I use OnX for hunting in the Northeast (US). In my opinion, the maps on both the Tread & OnX are equally detailed with forest roads, hiking trails, and general topography. From my experience, both do a great job of laying down your tracks. However, the Tread is better suited for navigation in the wilderness, like riding a BDR - the Tread shines in this application. Hope this helps
Nice review, I'm considering replacing my Zumo XT (original version) with a Tread. Can you provide a bit more detail on what is required to enable the group ride functionality? I.E. do the other riders have to be on XT2's or Treads and is the group ride initiated through the phone app? Also, any idea on the range for tracking other riders in the group? I've used this function on a Trailtech - worked fairly well although the range was somewhat limited.
Apologies for the delayed response. With the Tread Base unit, you'll need the Group Ride radio kit. With the larger Treads, too big for a motorcycle, the Group Ride function is built in. When you mount the group ride kit, it adds 3/4" of depth from the mount to the face of the Tread GPS - I'm not a fan of how bulky it looks. Also, if you run the Tread in portrait mode, the antenna sticks straight out to the side, perpendicular to the unit. I'm looking for a hinged antenna to run it parallel to the GPS. The other riders will also have to have the group ride function for communication. If you're only doing tracking, you'll be able to see the other riders on your screen even if they don't have group ride radio. We've experienced somewhat better talk-reception compared to our Sena headsets. Tracking riders seems to work up to about 1.5 miles when not in heavily wooded areas. Honestly, I wouldn't invest in the group ride function for offroad motorcycling. The manner is which you initiate the talk-function is clunky compared to just talking a Sena or similar headset. Hope this helps. Feel free to reach out if you have more questions.
Why do you cary 2gps units?
Can you use it just on highways and does it need cell service? Thx
Does Garmin update the MVUM maps like GAIA does? How does the Garmin TOPO maps compare to the Garmin 24k TOPO's? I ran a OG Garmin Montana and BaseCamp for many years on my motorcycles. Then I got into 4x4ing and eventually went away from the Montana to using GAIA exclusively. Now getting back into the motorcycling world, I am trying to find a solution that works for me.
Hey, thanks for reaching out. I don't have experience with the GAIA app. The 24K TOPO provides much better clarity than the typical Garmin TOPO. From my experience, the map clarity on the Tread is excellent for off road riding. And it's certainly much better than the Montana I had which was a 2020 release. Another note, the Tread touchscreen sensitivity is great with gloves on. I move the Tread back and forth between enduro bikes, an 890 Adventure and ATVs. Great in all scenarios. Good luck
@@MichauxOutdoors thanks!
I've been running(motorcycle) a Tread Basic for about 6-8 months. It works fine, but what you really need to go with is what all your riding buddies have. I cannot communicate with the XT/XT2 crowd, and NONE of my friends have the Tread. Plus, it is $100 more than the XT. Also, the feature to see your other buddies on screen only works if you have a data signal.
Yes, you're right on having compatible units with your buddies. For me, having access to the USFS maps is most important given we're riding forest roads and trails 90% of the time. The ability to communicate is a close second.
@@MichauxOutdoors Just a follow up - I just did a trip to Canada, and one of my riding buddies figured out how he can send a route/track from his XT to my Tread Basic. We did it twice successfully.
What do you think for motorcycle off-road the garmin overland not the tread overland just the garmin overland
I'm not an expert on this topic, but from my research, the Garmin Overlander runs on an older OS while the Tread runs on the newer Tread platform. For me, we ride 90%+ off-road and the Tread series offers mapping of the USFS (forest service) roads which is a game changer. If the USFS roads aren't a priority for you, the Overlander is also a good choice. BTW, I also like the group-ride functionality of the Tread. The ability to talk with other riders is enhanced and your able to track where other riders are located.
@@MichauxOutdoors thanks my friend
What settings or map profile are you using? You showed a picture of the map at 57 seconds into the video. I cant seem to get that usfs map display
The USFS map should display automatically. We're out on vacation. I'll look at the gps next when back and share with you how the map profile is configured. Stay tuned ...
@@MichauxOutdoors thank you, i appreciate that
I got a tread for Christmas and I am working on picking a mount for the 890. Which mount did you go with? I was looking at the vanesche or the Cnc . Thanks for any advice
I use the Vanasche mount - works great! and excellent quality. No issues with the Vanasche mount after 4000 miles of riding off-road. Plus, I like the way the Vanasche mount positions the GPS in relation to the TFT. Let me know what you decide.
@@MichauxOutdoors thanks for getting back with me. I’ll let ya know what I decide to go with.
I like my Tread for the most part, but there is one feature that is probably going to make me sell it for a Trail Tech..... No screen lock, so water on the screen really messes with my map, waypoints, sets random waypoints on its own, etc, etc.
No screen lock can be a problem. Just experienced that issue recently in the snow when riding ATVs. Which Trail Tech are you considering?
If you have the 66i, you don’t need the tread an vice versa
From a pure GPS perspective, I agree with you. I purchased the 66i first, primarily for hunting and hiking. Intentionally bought the "i" for the InReach capability. I run the 66i along with the Tread when ADV riding for two reasons. First, I want the InReach capability out on the forest roads and single track. Many times I'm riding alone so the "i" provides some peace of mind. Secondly, I like the GPS redundancy. When exploring in the mountains, I rely heavily on the GPS. A compass would also work, but I appreciate the gps redundancy. Thanks for reaching out
It really isn’t very good. It’s still just a Garmin. I got one and honestly, I would much rather run a mix of calimoto, google maps and Gaia.
Recently, the Tread kept trying to make me go “off-road” into the forest basically. No visible roads, just outdated routing. It’s also extremely slow to recalculate route. I can’t understand how terrible these devices are with all the space they have to add half decent hardware. The only good thing about these devices is that they’re glove friendly and I like the Point of Interest feature while riding. Helps me identify where gas, food, camp sites are etc.
Are you running those apps on your phone? Also, if I’m not mistaken, that cluster of apps will cost you over $400 annually for lesser map coverage than the Tread. If I’m mistaken, please help me out. Last I looked, Calimoto and Gaia don’t include the USFS roads and trails maps. Appreciate you chiming in. If an equal or better solution exist, I think we’d all like to know about it.
I will NEVER buy another Garmin - their website and UI is just absolutely painful and rubbish
Help me understand ... are you referencing BaseCamp or the UI on the device. I agree that base camp is very difficult to use, I struggle with it. Sounds like I didn't make it clear in the video, what I like about the Tread unit is that BaseCamp isn't needed in many cases given the breadth of pre-loaded maps.
@@MichauxOutdoors No mate your vid is great. I am referring to the Zumo XT and Base Camp and Garmin Express and Garmin in general. It is like they have no idea what their customers want or need. They have been doing it for long enough you would think they have got it by now.
I just wouldn't buy anymore of their stuff based on the experiences I have had with the XT and other Garmin GPS units I have used. Look at all the vids on TH-cam and other sites explaining how to use the units - it should not be that complicated. The problem we have now is that they are moving away from dedicated GPS units and going to all this wearable stuff.
Got it. Wearables don't work for ADV riding. I definitely want a screen I can reference by glancing down into the dash area. And BTW, I refuse to use basecamp. It's so complicated and the output once you've figured it out is still not intuitive. For my purposes, riding lots of forest roads, the Tread being pre-mapped with the forest roads virtually eliminates my need to use basecamp.
Are you suggesting to use the Tread platform for mapping routes instead of basecamp? I see this post is a month old. Have you had a chance to try mapping with Tread?