Occitan vs French vs Italian vs Catalan | Can they understand each other? | feat.
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In this video, Gabriel speaks the Lengadocian dialect of the Occitan language. Also known as Languedocian, Lengadocian or Lenga d'òc. Due to its central position among the dialects of Occitan, it is often used as a basis for a Standard Occitan.
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Clearly Catalan is closely related to Occitan, apart from the historical relations between both regions for centuries.
I speak catalan, and sometimes, I hardly understand it without reading subs. I think it's similar to the intelligibility between spanish and brasilian portuguese: you can get the global sense of the message, but you have to focus not to get lost.
I'm Catalan and understand it without subtitles fairly well. I would say 90% in the case of speakers as good as Gabriel here, that speak in a very impressive "academic Occitan" way without much French influence in tone and phonetics.
Maybe a more "frenchisied" Occitan or northern dialects of Occitan would be harder to understand IDK. I think that Occitan and Catalan are in fundamentally the same language, clearly part of the same "sprachbund" or dialect continuum. It just takes like 1 minute to figure out the particularities of the pronunciation of certain sounds and the choosing of certain words and you have it completely all figured out.
Both are much more closely related to each other than to their national counterparts.
Actually in Catalonia still speak Occitan and it is is an official idiome.
@@HartiaKozu En realitat no és una llengua homogènia, és un gran grup de dialectes que forman part d'un tronc comú. És a dir, n'hi ha dialectes que són més propers al català i n'hi ha d'altres que són més llunyants.
It is so sad that France is not recognising this as a co-official language in southern France...
😢
I think France fears independence movements like in Catalonia, Basque country or Scotland. Though the regional languages are part of their culture and should be protected
It is the language of southern france.
It's sad, but maybe that's what saved us from independence movements. And that goes back a long time, under François 1er that started, when he decided that French would be the official language of the country, in order to unify it, while French was in the minority.
@@hieratics Don't they already have separatist movements in Brittany, Alsace, Corsica, and French Basque Country?
As an Irish speaker I love how Occitan and Catalan are still alive.. We need these wonderful languages in Europe to flourish.
You're right! I'm Lombard and I'm learning my ethnic language, hope Irish will arise.
I am a Neapolitan speaker and i live in Ireland, it is hard to explain people in Italy we don’t speak just italian
Useless "languages" (dialects), it's better to learn a real inter-national tongues like English, French, Spanish etc...
@nifelheirn We have been mentally colonised through English, Spanish and French.
@@gordonchild273 that's a stupid thing to say, there is no "useless" language, all languages are useful and are an important part of the culture and identity of their native speakers.
I am Italian from Milan and I have never heard of Occitan before. I'm shocked I could understand almost everything he was saying! it's such a beautiful language
Stessa esperienza e sensazione. La forma scritta è incredibilmente comprensibile.
same! it sounds so similar to lombard dialects, if i heard an occitan speaker on the streets i wouldn't be able to tell him apart from the locals 😂
Anche io che sono ligure ho capito tutto, anche senza leggere.
I'm french and can understand him pretty good too!
Et pourtant, l’occitan est plus parlé en Italie qu’en France, comme dans la vallée de Comboscuro par exemple ! La, même les petits enfants qui jouent dans la rue parlent occitan (provençal).
As a Catalan I also feel emocional when I hear someone speaking Occitan.
Como en 1907 dijo el padre del pompeufabrés..."el catalán se convertirá en una variante más de la Lengua Occitana reencontrada."
Why catalan people hate other spanish people or think they are superior to them?
Porque quieren crear un supranación gobernada desde Barcelona con sus límites desde Murcia al río Loira en Francia, incluyendo Valencia y las islas Baleares, de nombre la Gran Occicatalunya.🎗🤣
@@Chaiserzose que esperen sentados a algo que no ocurrirá nunca, no sé lo vamos a permitir, ni son mayoría ni se puede construir algo basado en mentiras y engaños desde el colegio, stop al envenenamiento sectario del independentismo
El valenciano, el catalán, occitano y provenzal son muy parecidos.
As a Catalan myself, I share Pati's tenderness towards Occitan. It feels like it is our little/big brother/sister we will always love no matter what.
Catalan is the sister language of Occitan. In fact in the past catalan was a regional dialect of occitan but evolved into its own language. Occitan is literally the big sister language of catalan. You can find them under Gallo-romance subgroup called Occitano-romance languages. The history of the catalans and southern french occitans is deep and interconnected.
Why catalan people hate other spanish people or think they are superior to them?
@@Chaiserzose They don't. We don't.
Not according to Pompeyo Gener.....🎗
@@Chaiserzose we don't hate spanish people, only the government because they don't allow us to decide what we want to be
It’s the first time I hear Occitan without the French accent (the guttural R, and the strong accent at the end of the syllable), and it sounds very real and beautiful.
Exactly, I hate it when native french speakers speak the regional languages with a heavy accent
It is such a pity, so many romance languages lost because of the national countries which imposed their national languages. I imagine the current south of France speaking Occitan as first language, it would have been so cool.
Of course I am not talking about history and politics, I'm only dreaming of an alternate linguistic history.
Actually it was the language of the Nobles
@@norabickfordhill7978 which one?
french probably became the language of the nobility earlier than of the whole people, but it was not always the language of the nobles, given many early occitan authors were from the nobility too
In the North there was gallo and breton, picard, the lorrain dialects, etc... In Québec, Canada, the picard language has influenced a lot the way we talk in French nowadays.
suena como un español mal hablado, ;)
If the capital city has been in Toulouse, Occitan would be the official language of France today. The same thing could be said with Provençal, etc.
As a French myself, I didn't know some people in Southern France are still speaking Occitan. That's cool.
Tbh not a lot of people do. Growing up in the south I just had an hour a month or so of Occitan for the last two years of primary school and then nothing at all. Also You won't find anyone who can only speak Occitan and not French. It's unfortunate but It's dying.
Occitan is spoken also in Italy and Spain. It covers a geographical zone. Not many speakers unfortunately.
You have a job to finish.
Bien sur qu’on le parle encore ! Visca Occitania e visca la Provença !
Occità is quite easy to understand. I'm Spanish, català speaker. Italian it's also very easy.. French it's harder to get it..
Gabrieu is an excellent Occitan speaker, very neutral accent and little influence from French (which if Im not wrong is in fact his mother tongue). I personally would also suggest people to go across his channel Parpalhon Blau if you are interested in learning Lengadocian. As a Catalan speaker I had long desired to find Occitan content, but had a real hard time coming across it. It's people like Gabrieu that keep the language alive!
thx a lot.
I believe there isn't any native or monolingual speaker of Occitan dialects.
Oh, wow! I thought he was a native speaker. I was assuming he was from somewhere like Val De Aran.
Eu também penso assim.
@@fabiolimadasilva3398 Its still some, but not a lot. I know 2 of them for example ^^ I cross them cause i do a lot of balèti dance, and i sing in occitan. So if you go in some spectific activity, maybe you will cross it, but, yeah i admit is not often :(
Italian and Catalan : That's easy
French: Well shit
French?? 🤔
in most videos french speakers, find it difficult even to slightly dissolve their mother tongue....
loosen up les gars!
Fun fact: most French people have a hard time understanding people from northern France when they speak with their regional accent (Ch’ti), even though they are still speaking French lol
@@basedkaiser5352 well, that happens in every country more or less, right?
Of course! In other words: French is the hard way to speak romanic lenguages!
The francs people (germanic) were late and less romaniced, in front of the peoples from Hispania or the Prevence: we are the best Latin speakers today, after the macarroni, of course.
I'd love to see something like this with Breton, Welsh and Cornish speakers
Depending on the words that would be chosen, in the 3 languages the words could be either almost identical, or completely different...
Eg. "dog":
Welsh ci, Breton ki, Cornish ky
"how?"
Welsh sut, Breton penaos, Cornish fatel...
@@gerald4013 true, I speak Breton myself so I know that they can be very similar yet so different
Cornish is a "revived" language. In Breton, true speakers are mostly older people 60+. The younger people who parade themselves around as Breton speakers have learned a bookish, fake and artificial version. They sound French because they haven't learned traditional Breton. That being said, I have spoken with Cornish speakers and while avoiding certain words, it can be almost mutually intelligible. They are both South Western Brythonic languages. Welsh has another grammar and older vocabulary but the concrete words are similar or even the same.
@@yannschonfeld5847 There are young speakers that still speak "real" breton. It's not their falt if their parent or grandparents didn't bother teaching them the language.
As a Catalan I understood:
99,9% Occitan (it's even easier to understand than some Catalan dialects like alguerès)
90% Italian
80% French
Most of Catalans speakers do not understand the Aran language. And the Aran language is Occitan. Esquías poco tú por ahí.
@@alfonsohshk8998 I find it strange... I find it really easy to understand just some few words might not understand but its a small minority of them (maybe just the 5% or less)
@@Elkarus Arán Occitan? I went there to ski with a friend, and she understood still less than me. She speaks Catalan (Barceloní) but not French. I speak French, it helps but not much. As far as Occitan is concerned, in France there is a different Patois in every corner of the Midi where they have often troubles to understand each other, and they even need to switch to official French at a certain point. I know because I have relatives in different Midi villages.
In any case in Aran, a wonderful ski area, you hear mainly Spanish, so no problem.
@@alfonsohshk8998 I see. Vall d'Aran is the place where spanish people go to ski. It has not its own identity out of this.
@@Elkarus very strange
Adding to what Pati was saying at the end of the video, it's true that Occitan at some points sounds exactly like Catalan. Like, taking certain words or even sentences out of context it would sound like it's straight up Catalan (or the other way around). Also, interesting (albeit anecdotical) how the French speaker was the one having more trouble understanding the Occitan speaker, even though he is the only person sharing the country with him. Goes to show you, huh.
Also, in some parts of Catalunya you still say "oh", as an equivalent of "yes", or in very common expressions like "Oh, i tant!" (yes, of course!)
I thought Italian would've had the most trouble considering that Occitan, Catalan and French are considered Gallo-Romance languages, while Italian falls under a different branch. But I guess that's only on paper. When you put it to practice, French struggles the most due to its more distinct phonology.
@@lissandrafreljord7913 occitan and catalan almost sound like dialects from the north of Italy. For me they are even easier than spanish.
@@carlociarrocchi2793 That makes total sense. Languages follow a geographic continuum. Occitan is in the middle of it all. It used to be the language of Southern France. Italy and Spain are not geographically connected, so despite people think both languages sound superficially similar, there are significant differences too. And the North Italian dialects also belong to the Gallo-Romance branch.
@@lissandrafreljord7913 You have to keep in mind that Andrea is from Northern Italy and speaks a dialect that is much closer to Occitan than Standard Italian is. My guess is that a monolingual Italian speaker or somebody from Southern Italy would have a harder time understanding than Andrea.
It’s crazy I love it, I’m from Piedmont, in north-western Italy, and our dialect isn’t that different from Occitan, a lot of places here still use it as daily dialect/language
I would love to hear Piedmontese in comparison like this!
My grandmothers family is from vercelli (santhia and cigliano) provence this sounds like her dialect when she talks Piemonteis. I was thinking the same thing. How intelligible are the dialects of Occitan in Piemonte to Piemonteis, and when does it transfer to Lombardo?
Language not dialect
This is because Occitania originally extended all the way to northern Italy (Piedmont, Ligurie and Calabre)
@@crocodudedundee9523 united occitania never existed until centralist in the late 19th made all globalistic.
Tongues of Si, Ahì, and Sci are not Oc.
As a Portuguese speaker who also happens to know French, this video is extremely interesting to me, as I've discovered I'm able to understand most of what is said in all these languages. And it's the first time I've heard occitan in my life and I just love it :) it's one of the most beautiful romance languages, it's a shame that so few people speak it
Occitan is beautiful, no wonder it was the most famous language for songs in the medieval era! Interestingly, that's the reason why Portugal adopted NH, LH, CH and other occitan spelling conventions.
In Iberia, Galaico-português in the 12th and 13th centurys was aparently the prefered language for "songs". I suposed that the same happend in the French territory to the Occitan. But many scholars refer the important influence of the Occitan and Provençal "literature" in Portuguese poetry.
@@fmadeiralopes exactly. The time of the "trovadores". I guess the ç was another feature portuguese borrowed from occitan.
@@fabiozatara "Ç" comes from old Spanish
@@fabiozatara Ç comes from visigothic spelling and galician/portuguese, spanish, catalan and occitan borrowed it. Spanish lost the sound for ç and so the letter fell in desuse
@@unanec I don't think spanish lost the sound, modern spanish j, s, z stand for the voiceless sounds of old spanish x, ss, ç, while the old spanish j, s, z were voiced sounds
It sounds a lot like Catalan with even more Latin/Italic sounds. Really nice to listen to, as are all these languages. It’s so good to hear rare languages being spoken on this channel, long may they remain
Do you hear the Valencian variant of catalan?
Both are Occitano-Romance languages from the Gallo-Romance branch. Even more, Occitan and Catalan were considered variants of the same language until the XIX-XX century.
It sounds a bit like the Lombard language
Would be interesting to have an episode where Pati and Gabriel just have a conversation with each other.
Imagine if they wedded and had a kid. And only spoke Occitan and Catalan with each other? The child would learn both perfectly, and would hardly know the difference
They've done it! On Gabrièu's channel (Parpalhon blau) ;-)
O an fach! Sul cadena de Gabrièu ;-)
I am valencian speaker, a variant of catalan, and I understand the occitan language perfectly! I hope they keep conserving the language, it would be amazing to travel to the areas where is spoken and understand each other that well. Good job on showing us other “sister” languages!
Variant of catalán 😂😂😂😂
@@MyYogurth it is
@@motosgamer change drug dealer 😉
Així és, sinó explica d'on ix el valencià... Eixe debat està més que superat.
ME TOOOOOO
I love how the Italian/Trentin speaker was confused at the way he said object in occitan, just like everyone was confused at the Trentin word for object lol
MISTÉRIO... kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Hahaha true
Yeah ! Mister as "object" seems really strange to other Romance language speakers
In veneto there is the word "mistiero". It's quite archaic and rarely heard.
StormKidification Yes, quite curious actually, since we say "oggetto" in italian, so a very similar word; however he answered correctly even using the other word (utensile/tool), because is (almost) a synonym (a tool is always also an object in the italian language).
Sorry for "eng", I hope you understand.
La veritat és que parlant català i francès és bastant fàcil entendre l'occità. Quina llengua tan maca! 😍
Del vejaire occitan, parlant occitan e espanhòl, es aisit per comprene lo catalan ;-) las doas lengas se semblan fòrça, e al valencian atanben!
@@maignialfrancois8170 El valencià i el català són la mateixa llengua, simplement a cada lloc se l'anomena diferent.
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷 Sou brasileiro e dizem que temos uma certa facilidade para entender quase todos os idiomas latinos, nesta ordem, Galego 99%,Espanhol 95%, Italiano 90%, Catalão 85%, Occitan 80%, Francês, Romêno e outros 60%, um abraço
@@catalannationalist9847 Es la mateixa llengua, sí, però amb diferències tan marcats en fonologia, lèxic i gramàtica que a vegades semblen dues llengües distintes relacionades entre si mateixes.
@@serfin01 És que el català no és una parla en concret. A Tortosa no parlen com a Girona
As a french man from the south where occitan used to be the primary language it makes me happy to see that people are recognising this language online and spreading it. Assimil has some very good occitan courses you can purchase if you want to learn the language. it is very similar to catalan. In fact Catalan, Occitan and French are all gallo-romance languages but occitan and catalan are in a subgroup called occitano-romance. if you love history, occitan and catalan have a very deep interconnected history. in fact catalan used to be a dialect of occitan but evolved into its own language. Viva Occitania! Vive la France!
I lived in Barcelona to learn Spanish and ended up learning quite a bit of Catalan as well. This seems very, very similar to Catalan.
Bah pourquoi tu parles pas en Français ?
I wonder how much content there is published in Occitan, I mean both online, but also books. It is alive language in that regard or just content that's intended to preserve the language and heritage.
As a native american who speaks Lakotiyapi (sioux) I found this very similar to hearing languages related to our own language (Siouan)
e.g. Bthaska(flat) Omaha/Ponca.
Blaska/Bdaska/Mnaska(flat)
Lakota/Dakota/Nakoda.
I've always been fascinated by the relation between our language dialects and why the changed.
This is impressive, I speak Spanish and French, but was able to understand Occitan, Catalan and Italian perfectly, and understood the 4 conversations 😂
Ya pretty much the same. I am from the south of france and the cultural area of occitan so ive been exposed to the language but knowing french and spanish makes this overall converstion very easy to understand
@@lukethomeret-duran5273 True, still impressive, love latin
i also speak spanish and french but wasn’t able to understand the Occitan:(
I was able to understand too ! It's kinda crazy I'm french and learned italian in high school, I was actually surprise to understand it perfectly in this video although I'm unable to speak it
Yo también y soy asturiano 😂
It would be much easier if the french adopted Occitan, then it wouldn’t be so difficult in french class 😂
In fact French is a ´weird cousin´ - sorry francophones! - in the romance languages familly.
@@fabiolimadasilva3398 English is also the weird cousin in the family of Germanic languages
@@fabiolimadasilva3398 And Romanian is a very very remote cousin 😂
@@prueba1999 romanian is this cousin you better undestand each other when you get drunk together
Indeed and "Oïl" Language was chosen, which is also relative to many northern french dialects (Norman, Saintongeais, Gallo, Picard/"Ch'ti) plus Walloon...
La chica catalana creo que no ha tenido mucho problema en entender el occitano es casi la misma lengua.
Por cierto es la primera vez que veo un hablante de occitano sin acento francés.
Yo creo que el que menos se ha enterado es el gabacho, aunque todos se han entendido bastante bien por lo general. Eso sí, habría molado alguno más hablando portugués o español.
io sono italiano e ho capito il 100% del tuo commento, nonché quasi tutto l'occitano nel video e il catalano. Il francese è quello che si distanzia di più
@@gior987 que legal gente! Eu falo portugues e espanhol, tambem entendo o seu comentario e as pessoas do video, exceto ao frances. El frances es un idioma jodido y lo detesto, pero me encantaria esudiar occitano en un futuro
@@gior987 Mais je vous ai compris tous les deux à 100% sans traducteur, toi et Raul... Donc, malgré la distance, le français n'est pas si loin. Il faudrait que je donne quelques trucs pour que les locuteurs des autres langues romanes comprennent le français plus facilement...
@Stefaña Gavriélez non diserí pas que gabrièu aja ua pronóncia Espanhòla. Mei corrèctament, la fonologia dau lengadocian es un pauc mei pròcha de la de l'espanhòu.
As a Southern Spaniard, I find it very exotic how Occitan sounds!
Omg as a Catalan and French person this is a huge trip, I literally understand everything!
Edit: When he says “completament” and “començar” it’s EXACTLY the same pronunciation as in Catalan it’s fascinating!
Well Occitan is part of French and Catalan heritage. If you are from the south of France Occitan is suposed to be your mother language.
Grandmercé a totes per aqueste moment, èra genial d'o far amb vosautres ! 😇💪
Thank you, Gabriel! 🤗
You have a very soothing and consolidating ASMR-ish voice. You'll make a great teacher with your positive vibes. Hopefully we see the resurgence of the endangered Occitan language in France. They should enforce it as a curriculum in school. Such treasures should not be lost.
És increïble escoltar com parles l'occità! M'ha encantat escoltar-lo tal com el parles. Enhorabona per el vídeo i salutacions des de Barcelona, d'un germà Català! 😉 Tant de bo tornis a aparèixer en més vídeos d'aquest canal! M'encanta tota la història i la cultura occitana i m'alegra saber que no s'està perdent.
Gràcies Gabriel, ja tens un nou seguidor per al teu canal : )
Foi um privilégio te escutar, Gabriel! Continue a defender a tua língua que foi tão importante na Idade Média para a poesia trovadoresca. Nós da LUSOFONIA também usamos o "lh" e o "nh". Ao que parece, tiveram origem no occitânico.
Non avevo mai sentito l'occitano prima; non sapevo neanche che esistesse. È incantevole da ascoltare! Davvero bellissimo.
Bellissimo sentire tutte queste lingue parlate tutte assieme e poterle capire ! Il vostro è un lavoro meraviglioso che fa capire che non ci sono barriere linguistiche quando facciamo il minimo sforzo per capirci! Un' abbraccio e un saluto a tutti dalla Sardegna!
Entrai in un supermercato Corte ingles a Maiorca. Davanti a me due donne parlavano il locale dialetto catalano (catalan salà). Sulle prime ho pensato che fossero due donne milanesi.
I dialetti della pianura Padana, l'occitano e il catalano appartengono certo allo stesso gruppo linguistico.
dovevi far loro la prova de la cadrega ahaha
@@casomai 😂😂😂
Gruppo linguistico Gallo-romanzo
@@1977VENEZIA Certo, anche se forse c'è dietro la comunità linguistica che univa i liguri e gli iberi. Da Huesca (in aragonese Uesca, Osca in latino) alle località in -asco/a della valle del Po.
Che curioso! Io sono catalana e una volta ero in vacanze in Grecia e stavo parlando in catalano con i miei, e una famiglia italiana ci chiese se siamo italiani. Forse anche loro hanno pensato fossimo milanesi
As Portuguese I could understand Occitan fairly well, although the phonetics is quite difficult. I had never heard Occitan before and it really seemed close to Catalan. Nice video.
Yes, better than expected. But I'd say it gets much easier thanks to the subtitles.
I'm Brazilian. for me, it was VERY hard. I had to read the subtitles almost the entire time
Achei dificílimo (sem as legendas), devido à fonetica. Entendo razoavelmente bem o catalão, então imaginava que seria mais fácil... As outras línguas ajudaram muito a compreender e adivinhar as palavras.
Lendo as legendas, porém, facilita bastante.
im portuguese as well and i had almost no trouble understanding what he was saying. its incredible how their pronounciation is so different from french and closer to iberian languages too. At least for me though, i see that brazilians are having a lot more trouble.
I found hard to grasp. I speak Portuguese.
I can't express how much I enjoyed that! I'm a Romanian speaker myself, although I studied French throughout school. Everyone spoke so clearly and beautifully, it's remarkable how much I could understand!
Jealous to not be a native romance language speaker. The fact they can basically all understand each other is amazing.
This is essentially like listening to Roman citizens having a chat in vulgar latin. Poor French though. It had to be the fancy different one of the siblings. Italian sounds like the fun loving sibling while Occitan and Catalan are the twins.
I’m from Mexico and I didn’t need subtitles… 😊
Yeah, I speak Spanish and French and could understand about 90%. Too easy.
I'm a native french speaker and I must say the written form of each language is easy to understand, when they speak however I've gotta listen VERY carefully to get the general premise of what they're trying to say
não, não podemos, não entendi quase nada
As a Spanish and Catalan speaker, Occitan is very close to Catalan, almost the same written. Reminds me Portuguese/ Spanish closeness.
Creo que tal vez la comparacion mas justa seria con el gallego, porque el portugues tiene una pronunciacion bastante distinta,
@@W.Gaster bueno algunos acentos brasileños son muy parecidos al gallego
@@DavidAlvarez-he6sd tambien como soy asturiano, el acento gallego se parece al nuestro, y dentro de lo que cabe para mi la pronunciacion en gallego no cambia
Eu que sou português consegui entender algumas coisas com relativa facilidade. A mim soa a uma mistura de francês + italiano com um sotaque espanhol
Catalan evolved from Occitan thats why. Historicaly Catalan used to be an Occitan dialect but over time evolved. Thats why many still class Catalan as a Gallo-Romance language, even though it has had much iberian influence it still has its roots in the Lengadòc (Occitan)
I'm Northern Italian and I could pretty much understand 90% of what He was saying.. I think that from Barcelona, Catalunia to Milan, Northern Italy you can see this continuom in the language
200 years ago there was a continuum. Nowadays with the increasing strength of the nation-states and the mass media, the linguistic frontiers are real.
true, and the continuum can be followed until portuguese through aragonese, althrough sadly it just has 20k speakers or so and a century ago it probably would be possible to follow it until sicilianu
Milan region is not "Northern Italy", but Lombardia. If you say Milan is Northern Italy then say Barcelona is Northeastern Spain
I speak Catalan and I’ve never heard Occitan before. When I first started watching the video I was super confused because the guy speaking it sounded like he was speaking Catalan but some weird dialect
You dont seem to know your origins. Catalan language originates from Occitan. Search it up.
@@lukethomeret-duran5273 They were talking about what they felt, not the history. I'm Catalan myself and I had the same feeling that I was hearing another dialect. Probably the occitan speaker feels that we talk a weird dialect of occitan.
Dialecte barceloni, el mes impur de tots.~J. M.a Guinot.🎗
@@joselugo4536 Soy de Barcelona y confirmo jaja. Aquí tendemos a hacer muchas castellanizaciones y tal. Supongo que es porque viene muchísima gente de todo tipo de hablas (Y sobre todo castellanos que no saben catalán o que solo lo entienden pero no lo hablan). Por ejemplo en pueblos o en zonas menos accesibles como las Islas Baleares es un catalán no tan castellanizado por eso mismo creo yo.
@@usuarioerrante153 es un fenómeno que viene ocurriendo desde el siglo XIII.
The host's voice is so relaxing. 😌
Nice, finally Lenga d'òc!
Yes! My mother tongue, which is Catalan is derived from it.
A língua do sim! :P
I've never really full-on heard Occitan and knew it was very close to Catalan, but now that I hear it, it truly sounds SO similar to Catalan. I've always heard that there are languages (Such as Piedmontese or Lombard) that have high mutual intelligibility with Catalan, but they don't completely 'sound like' Catalan, if you know what I mean...the pronunciation and words differ. Occitan sounded just like Catalan with some vowel differences. It truly amazed me, just like Pati said. It even shocked me more when he pronounced volar almost exactly (or exactly, not sure if he pronounced the r) how Central Catalan speakers say it, /buˈla/. His dialect and Central Catalan don't have that distinction between b /b/ and v /v/. It's always /b/.
I wouldn't say Lombard has *high mutual intelligibility with Catalan. I perfectly understand Lombard because I grew up hearing it in my family (though I've never really spoken it), but I can't understand Catalan that well. Yes, they're both considered Gallo-Romance languages, but I think the intelligibility between Lombard and Catalan is the same there is between Lombard and French.
The sad thing is these languages will cease to be used without the right action going forward. The northern Italian languages/dialects definitely have quite a bit in common with Gallo Romance but it's speakers are mainly grandparents now sadly.
Occitan was a very important language historically and has had an impact on a lot of modern romance languages due to the Trobadors etc. I would love for it to be officially recognised as a language somewhere other than Val d'Aran, like France.
@@SR-kh6yq Yeah, high is too strong of a word. My bad.
@@ObvsCam93 With the standardization of Italian and French, local languages were and still are slowly dying, sadly. I also wish that their governments would step in and help preserve these beautiful languages. 👍
I am brazilian..and it was so so easy to understand😍😍😍
The language of the trobadours... it was great to hear how it sounds in regular conversation for the first time.
Gabriel's voice is so soft and soothing
That was just magical. So utterly fascinating. I speak Italian, French, Spanish and Portuguese. Occitan and Catalan sounded like welcome family members to me. Brilliant. Thanks!
You’re an amazing polyglot!
@@estellemelodimitchell8259 no he or she is a modern Latin speaker that can travel throughout all romance speaking territory without communications problems
I'm from Catalonia, and the similarities between catalan and occitan are surprising, it's almost the same language, especially in the accent and phonetics. To me occitan sounds a bit like a catalan trying to speak italian. I love it!
Also, occitan writting it's almost the same as catalan, there are sentences that are wrote exactly the same.
As an Italian speaker, I found Occitan sounding remarkably similar to Catalan with some words and their pronunciations sounding Italian, Portuguese and French. Occitan is truly most interesting!
This guy is not a native speaker, his accent is fake. Watch some videos with old people speaking "occitan", it will give you a better idea.
I didn’t realize how beautiful Occitan language sounds .
Interessantissimo scoltar l'ositan!! In veneto: orto, bandiera, zenziva, sigogna, eletrisità
Flag is “bendera” in Indonesian. I think it was borrowed from Portuguese or Spanish.
Probably, it is "Bandera" in Spanish and "Bandeira" in Portuguese
@@judna1 But many Portuguese words lost letters during the process to be incorporated to Malay/Indonesian.
It came from the Portuguese word Bandeira as Portugal was the first european country to get in touch and commercialize goods with Indonesia
@@fabiolimadasilva3398 Muito interesante
@@rodrigofernandesgoncalves9564 They still speak Portuguese in East Timor, which is a country found in the island of Timor. The other half of the island, known as West Timor, belongs to Indonesia.
Occitan sounds incredibly familiar if you are a native catalan speaker. And very emotional.
With Spanish and Catalan, Italian is almost immediate. French, however lexically similar to Catalan, is very hard to understand when spoken. I live just 120 km away from the French border and I can speak French myself, but I always struggle in conversations with natives, to the point it stresses the hell out of me.
As spaniard (bilingual in french) I can clearly understand the whole conversation. Beautiful these four languages.
Molto divertente! È la prima volta che sento l’occitano. Siete stati tutti simpaticissimi.
Saluti dall’Italia.
en italia se habla occitano, aunque es una minoria
Eu gostei muito desse vídeo também! Me senti quadrilíngue. Um abraço do Brasil, amigo italiano!
@@kame9 no in italy there is a little provenzale on northen italy
I feel like Occitan is the perfect middle language between all major Western Romance languages. North to it is French, southwest to it are Catalan (its closest relative) and the Ibero-Romance languages like Spanish and Portuguese, southeast to it are the Italo-Dalmatian languages like Italian and Neapolitan, and east to it are the Franco-Provencal, Gallo-Italic, and Rhaeto-Romance languages. It's too bad the French chose to standardize Lang d'Oil as their country's official language. Had it been Lang d'Oc, it would've made communication among the French and their southern neighbors a thousand times easier.
Omg yes! What a great analysis!
@@JM-nb9ci If they ever revive the Roman Empire, then this should be its official language. It's a perfect middle ground. Easy for all Romance language speakers to pick up and learn.
Exactly my experience, it's a middle-romance language, and since I've learnt it, I've followed along this series of videos without problems, and gotten really good at understanding all written romance.
The Parisian French Standards may seem more complicated for the Latin neighbors today, but I think the Old French was more understandable. Knowing that they also rolled the "Rrs" and that the pronunciation was a little more "Nasal". Like French Canadian or Cajun in Louisiana.
Poor Romanian always being left out 😢
Eu achei a língua occitana linda, muitas palavras são escritas como no português, mas com a pronúncia diferente, porém teve umas palavras com pronúncia muito parecida com a nossa, por exemplo "trabalhar".
Eu estou amando todos os vídeos, a ideia de Eco (sistema) de línguas é genial! Agradeço a todos que participaram desses vídeos incríveis!
I know it’s kinda non-related but Gabriel’s voice is so beautiful… Like, I could listen to him speaking for hours and I’d never get tired of it.
Also, as a Portuguese speaker this was easier to understand than I thought it would be hahah
E visca l'amor e la fraternitat occitano-catalana !
visca! sempre!
I've waited for this video for a long time and who better than Gabrieu for the Occitan speaker, his videos are amazing and clear for people wanting to learn Lengadocian!
Thanks to everyone who was involved in this video 👏👏
Yes! You and me both, especially because my mother tongue, which is Catalan is derived from it.
Incroyable, merci beaucoup d'avoir fait une vidéo sur l'occitan, je parle moi même l'occitan provençal est c'est une langue en péril malheureusement
Super vidéo ! C'est génial ! Merci beaucoup 👍
You can easily confuse Catalan with Occitan. They are really similar both phonetically and in terms of vocabulary. I don't speak Catalan, but as I Spanish speaker, I am familiar with this language.
one easy way to tell them apart is that occitan has front rounded vowels, though some parts of catalan share them
Same here, I was able to understand Gabriel since I speak Spanish, as well as the Italian guy and the Catalonian girl, french however, meh I don't fuck with that 😂
@@isaac4273 it seems you hate French a lot. 😂
@@Danny-mh3vt oh I do, I honestly like to bitch about it all the time 🤣 but still like, come on it's just a mess of a language
Os dígrafos portugueses "lh" e "nh" vieram do occitânico.
Dígrafo LH também tem em catalão
@@maryocecilyo3372 No hay "LH" en catalán. pero sí que hay la letra "LL"
@@justsomeguy335 sim, o som são iguais mesma que seja diferente em escrever
@@maryocecilyo3372 sí. En mi dialecto de castellano también hay este sonido. Pero la mayoría de hispanoparlantes ha perdido la pronunciación y se ha vuelto yeísta
@@justsomeguy335 em minha língua nativa tem esse LL que vem da língua portuguesa LH
As Spanish speaking I would have difficulties to discern if someone is speaking Catalan or Occitan, they both sounds very close to me. On the other hand I can understand a little more easier Catalan than Occitan but it could be because I'm a bit more familiarized with the first one. I love this videos, they are an opportunity to get in contact with such a variety of languages. Thank you very much.
Thank you so much for finally showcasing Occitan into you videos, I was expecting it since such a long time ! I hope there will be more videos where Occitan -or even its dialects- are included. Hope to see Arpitan here someday :)
I loved this video! I see Catalan, I click haha. Amazing how similar Occitan is - I had no idea it was this close to Catalan. Thanks for doing this 💪👏
In 1904, Frederic Mistral received a Nobel Prize in Literature for his poems in Occitan. Therefore, it was a highly respected language until the 20th century.
Catalan also has beautiful poetry from the middle ages and the first known European novel: Tirant lo Blanc.
What a great experience, thanks as always!
This was fascinating and a wonderful idea!
I was reading about the wonderful Old Occitan language yesterday and now the modern one pops up in my feed. Awesome!!!
Adieussiatz Ecolinguist e Gabrièu ! Grandmercés per quela video sus l'occitan, fuguèt ben simpatica
I love what you do, to put different people together and show how much they are similar, is inspiring. We are simply a single big family.
Occitan is so pleasant to my ears. It's such a pretty language
The similarity between Catalan and Occitan is astonishing!
I liked the video a lot.
Em português: horta, bandeira, gengiva, cegonha, eletricidade.
Na realidade todas as palavras são de origem grega ou latina. Por isso se assemelhavam.
En español: huerto, bandera, encías, cigueña, electricidad.
Portuguese sounds like drunk Russian try to speak Spanish
@@mr.strongmind23reborn71 Que os russos bebam sempre hahaha
@@fabiolimadasilva3398 Todas as línguas são de origem Latina, no caso, ne ?
Amazing video!!! Thank you for gave us this delicious insight to these spectacular and beautiful languages!
The easiest is probably French for an Italian, but it “scares” you at first because of the different sounds
On the opposite Occitan sound like you understanding immediately, while you’re not really understanding
Yes, but we have to consider that the source language of many northern Italians, such as the boy in the video, may not be standard Italian, but a dialect that is sometimes even closer to Occitan than to Italian itself...
i can only understand if i'm reading while listening, so interesting!
The same happens to me.
Same because I speak none of these languages
I’m a French speaker and I understood Occitan better when I wasn’t reading the captions
The same thing happened for me, I started recognizing words when I closed my eyes and only listened
Tu trouves? Moi c'est le contraire. La prononciation sonnait souvent différemment à comment c'était écrit.
J'avoue que l'Italien et l'espagnol m'ont aidés à comprendre aussi.
Well as a frenchman Occitan is part of your cultural heritage, especially if you are from the south. Bona Jordana e merces l'amic
I found this quite interesting!
@@ricois3Moi pareil, si ça avait pas été écrit, j’aurais rien compris
I'm a Walloon and thus speak French natively so I came here thinking I would understand quite a lot of Occitan but I was surprised that I understood pretty much everything he said (funnily enough, I understood him better when I wasn't reading the text). I think the main reason people who speak another Romance language than French have such a hard time understanding it is because of it's pronounciation and Occitan seems to perfectly illustrate that. Occitan, to me at least, seems like French but if it was pronounced more like the other Romance languages. It sounds awesome and I might learn it after I'm done with Spanish.
Wow, I have never heard Occitan spoken, it's so beautiful. Speaking Spanish, French, and Italian, it was quite interesting how much I could understand.
I speak French, but my mother tongue is Spanish and I can confirm a person who is Spanish can understand better Occitan than French without learning Occitan.
La pronunciación del Occitano es mucho más amigable y audible para nosotros.
Yeah me too!! Es increíble como se puede entender
Yes pronounciation i agree. However do not forget occitan and catalan are actually closer to French as they are all Gallo-Romance languages, in the subgroup Occitano-Romance. Occitan has kept its pronounciation and vocab while catalan has been heavily iberianised especally when you look at the Occitano-Romance word for yes, Oc, which has been killed out in catalan by the Spanish Si
As a Piedmontese speaker, I found really strange that I can understand better Occitan when Gabriel speaks faster :D
I would love to hear Piedmontese in comparison with other neighbouring Romance languages!
The best, most entertaining, heartwarming program on the whole youtube.
Un excellent concept ! Vraiment génial !
Wow, really loved this video... I'm brazilian, have lived for 9 years in Argentina and, having being in Catalonia (my mother-in-law lives there), I could understand pretty much everything everyone said! It's really amazing, and occitan and catalan really feel like closer then portuguese and spanish, really really close... Love your videos!
Occitan sounds musical to me
Curious that you think that because people across Europe thought the same thing in the middle ages.
that's what all of europe said in middle ages
Je suis originaire de Béziers en Occitanie. Je ne parle pas occitan, personne ne le parle non plus dans mon entourage malheureusement. De nos jours des écoles occitanes existent dans la region, ce sont les Calandretos. Il faudrait davantage de locuteurs occitans, afin que cette langue ne disparaisse pas comme le latin. Bravo à Gabriel pour cette vidéo et sa maîtrise parfaite de l'occitan. Je l'ai étudié en classe de terminale et je l'ai passé au bac, mon professeur était Marie Rouanet.
Pas "comme le latin", le latin n'a jamais disparu. Il a juste évolué.
Je suis aussi originaire de Béziers mais moi je parle occitan car j'ai fait de ma PS à ma 5ème en Calendreta et j'ai pris jusqu'à la 2nde l'option Occitan. Mes professeures étaient Fabienne Forcioli et Caroline Lechêne. J'ai appris une certaine prononciation du languedocien donc la prononciation de Gabriel m'a un peu surpris mais elle reste compréhensive pour ma part. Bravo !
Sem comentários!!!Vídeo sensacional como sempre!!!Extremamente interessante!!!Parabéns pelo excelente trabalho pessoal!!!
This was awesome! Thank you so much! My mother tongue is Catalan and Occitan is the closest of them all, in fact as Pati mention, old Catalan was soooo similar. Catalan is derived from Occitan.
I was able to understand a lot, I guessed every single word.
Now, what would be quite interesting would be seeing the evolution, Latin and Occitan speakers guessing Catalan words for instance, that way we would see how it changed over time.
I've loved this video!
Best regards from Barcelona!
My mother language is Portuguese. It is interesting that in Occitan letter "a" is spoken as /o/, like in lenga (lengo). For this reason I have some trouble to understand without the text in Occitan.
@@fabiolimadasilva3398 Well, not all dialects change the final /a/ to /o/.
In the village I was born, it is somewhere between a schwa and a plain /a/.
Where I live actually, they tend be replaced with schwas only.
Because of this, I have some troubles, not a big deal though, understanding people from other areas, mainly from the Languedoc/Provençal areas.
@@fabiolimadasilva3398 Eu falo português também, a minha lingua nativa é o catalão mas falo também: espanhol, inglês, italiano (da quando morei dois meses em Roma no ano 2016) e português (da quando morei dois meses em Lisboa no ano 2018). E há algunas coisas do português que são parecidas ao occitano. Eu sabia pronunciar isto "lh" porque há uma cidade, a capital do "Aran" que se escreve assim por o occitano, a cidade e "Vielha" se fosse escrita en catalão, seria "Viella", mas a gente usa a escritura do occitano no nome da cidade. Nós usamos sempre "Vielha".
@@DoraEmon-xf8br I'm able to understand it. Especially the dialect spoken back in Catalonia, the "Aranès".
Catalan is a dialect from Occitan and the Mozarabic Romance spoken just bellow the Hispanic Marches.
For the future: Piedmontese! We have an amazing speaker on youtube (simon)
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come sempre bellissimi video! è stata una scoperta sentire parlare l'occitano , che ho studiato all'università come lingua medievale. non sapevo fosse ancora parlato. grazie Ecolinguistic !!!
C'était vraiment le-fonne! Très intéressant! Pas facile toujours à comprendre mais avec l'aide des autres, ça marche! Merci pour la vidéo!
Thank you I've been wanting an Occitan and Catalan one for so long!
Parpalhon Blau !!!!!!!
I'm so happy he participates, I'm learning Occitan thanks to him wow
Hearing this it's one of the most beautiful languages I've ever heard. Thank you ^^
(drapeau, drapèl, drappo, drap) Oh in Spanish we have "trapo" = piece of fabric usually intended to clean, or to be used in any other way, usually less honorable uses than for the fabric you may buy at the store. It can be used in a derogatory manner to reffer to clothes. In my country, Costa Rica, we use the word "limpión" for the fabric towels used in the kitchen for different purposes.
I governi francesi hanno proibito l'uso dell'occitano che viene disprezzato col termine "patois" o dialetto. Occitano è la Lingua dei Troubadour, degli antichi cantori e viene studiato nelle Università come antica Lingua Romanza, Bertrand de Born, Cabestany, cantavano le canzoni per le donne amate...
I francesi hanno anche soffocato la lingua corsa che è molto simile all'italiano, quando hanno imposto il francese in Corsica.
Gracias, Norbert. Este programa fue realmente estupendo . Occitan is a fascinating language. Your efforts to make "family" meet are highly appreciated.
I've just fallen in love with Occitan! I had no idea it is so extremely beautiful 😍❤
Incroyable, vous articulez tous tellement bien que sans connaître la langue on la comprends … cette vidéo est un cours de pédagogie linguistique… du moins entre langues cousines.