I just can't get over that they want Galadriel to be a Warrior Princess, yet they make her incredibly stupid. She was hunting down a being that is practically godlike with NINE elves who couldn't handle ONE Troll. WTF was their plan for her after finding him?
@Todd Taylor She was going to demand to see his manager. And, since Morgoth is off floating in the void, that means Sauron would have to get lost in space trying to find him.
we've also seen how it took all of Galadriel's power. Nenya. AND The Star of Eärendil to push Sauron back at his WEAKEST. and she was brought to her knees after that. how in the fuck she's supposed to go up against him at full strength is beyond me. especially when Gil-Galad AND Elendil couldn't beat him TOGETHER.
*"Why didn't they write their own story?"* _“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made”_ ― JRR Tolkien
If Galadriel is that angry that her elder brother is dead, imagine how pissed off she's going to be when she remembers that her other two elder brothers are also dead.
@@oldmanwinter3597 well considering in the Lore she married Celeborn during the First Age. and this show is set in the Second Age. no i don't think they will
Thank you. I'm a black guy as well, and was getting so tired of being called racist, when I pointed out that the Harfoots shouldn't be multi-ethnic as a nomadic Isolationist tribe. It meant the writers literally went with agenda over world logic or story logic.
@@redshed2020 The circle-jerking necessary to put modern-day tropes above *actually* representing, and dare I say respecting non-Global-cosmpolitian culture. You can't respect a small grotto village in the middle of Naples, Italy if you're uncomfortable with it being 99.9% old Italian people. You can't respect an 18th century Japanese saga if you are uncomfortable with it being 99.9% Japanese people. The people defending putting random Black people in The Witcher, a story celebrating Polish culture, what White Man were they trying to stick it to?! They are POLES! Pick a century, I guarantee to you that they were oppressed, discriminated against, and taken advantage of by the stronger kingdoms around them. These people have no real respect for disenfranchised cultures if they won't let them have the political right to be themselves, without mainstream culture appropriating from them as costumes.
I don't remember the exact quote, but I remember Tolkien saying of Galadriel something like "She could read peoples' hearts, but she judged them with mercy." She could literally read minds, but she still judged with mercy. She didn't condemn Boromir, even when she knew he would try to take the ring. How could this vicious, self-centered Karen who cares nothing for her troops even be called Galadriel? She's the anti-Galadriel.
Boromir DID try to take the ring, but he also DID regret doing so. So I think Galadriel was right in her assessment of him. That ultimately, he was a good man!
Do not hate this show, do not dwell on it, do not allow it even the smallest of thought. Treat it with Apathy and let it get what it deserves, not even a corpse for the worms and carrion birds of business to feast upon. Let it die, no, let it meet a fate worse than death and fade into forgotten memory. It doesn't deserve hate because that would mean holding some form of _passion_ for this atrocity, I dare not feel any hint of any form of passion for this _thing_ of Corruption.
We may try to be apathetic towards it. But there will be those that will have passionate hate for it. Or worse, passionately positive about watching a mockery of Tolkien's mythology, and devoted to defending it to their last breaths. Amazon doesn't need us, they only need a few people and that's all it takes. Their plan is clearly working
When Lindsey Weber said, "It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien's work would reflect what the world actually looks like," I knew this show was gonna be a trashfire of epic proportions
Well, that's how they view the world. A trashfire of epic proportions, instead of a huge and nuanced world with fires here and there and light and peace in other places.
@@willparker8498 you think the whole show is trash because of hobbits? Okay, that’s fine. Just don’t watch any show every made. I see a common trend among those that dislike the show. They all are full of shit. For one, the only thing said was not the story, not the cinematography, but “Ooh NOo blAck DwArf” and crap about woke. Which was 10 minutes of the show at the most. I dislike woke, but I also dislike those that tear down everything around them just because of how nit picky they are. They aren’t able to find one good thing in it.
@@Zhisaoka no its called sticking to the lore and actually respecting the whole point of the story! Which Amazon has clearly made a point to not do because yes everyone running it is of a woke nature or just wants to get paid either way. They had all the material needed to make a great show that everyone desired but because of personal beliefs and politics they felt they would make more money which is the same as spitting in the face of everyone who actually cared about it. It's a matter of respect and principles! Which they clearly don't have! Bet you never even read all the books that have to do with the Tolkien universe so get to stepping.
I knew this was going to be trash since the moment they announced the premier of this show would be on the DATE OF THE DEATH of Tolkien. What more would we need ?
"You took one of the most kind, powerful and beloved characters from the Lord of the Rings and made her unrecognizable, unlikable and selfish". Out of all criticisms about Galadriel, this line right here is the most accurate, in my opinion. I couldn't have said it better myself. It's truly sad how they've managed to corrupt the mythos, just by this change alone.
I hate how they had to make her all warrior like and manish in an attempt to make her powerful. the thing I loved about the movie and book her is that she's feminine AND powerful...she doesn't need to be all "I'm a warrior, so me strong😤" she was powerful and she knew it and it showed!!!
Elven children beating each other up in Valinor?! When Feanor drew his sword against another elf - just drew it- he was banished wasn't he? Valinor is a kind of heaven. Everyone lived in harmony untill Feanor came along. The children would not be bullying each other and definitely wouldn't be beating each other up!
Wasn't there a massacre because Feanor demanded boats from the shore elves and they denied him, but since he had better weapons they slaughtered everyone?
Just a friendly reminder: Amazon shopped around, hiring and firing Tolkien scholars until they found one willing to sign off on this discount Witcher fanfic. That's a level of dedication to getting it wrong that honestly deserves commendation.
Tolkien scholars 😂Man it sucks to be either a lore nerd or a person who hates people of color, because these people are the only ones too mad to enjoy this beatifully written, paced, shot and acted show.
Having the elves who lived in harmony with nature carve up living trees with whom they could speak and had fellowship to create homages to their dead is the very antithesis of JRR Tolkien's works.
Yeah, AT LEAST the hobbit trilogy got that right, with the elf kind in it having a throne built UPON some roots, not carved in them, also their entire kingdom was built around the trees, not using them
@@michelecastellotti9172 The Elves here come off a little too petty as well - as in too human - like they seem to talk like everything has a hidden meaning or they have to have an emotional response to rejection or have to show disapproval. Its very disjointing when Elves are usually considered distant, ethereal and stoic.
@@rubix4195 well, we had the ones that commited the kinslaying and the noldor elves, also legolas father turning his back on torin, but there were deeper meanings behind this, it wasn't a petty:"uuuh, you meanie, i must kick your ass now!", fucking hell
@@rubix4195 I don't really have a problem necessarily with "human-like" elves because plenty of the stories in Tolkien's works portrayed Elves as being just as flawed as humans can be. Not as frequently, but even Galadriel was said to have been supremely arrogant, wanting to rule over her own kingdom and full of pride. It's among the reasons she was banned from Valinor. Certainly, the elves like to think of themselves as above it all, but that hasn't always been true. That said, I do take issue with the elves in other, more explicitly lore breaking ways such as them carving the visages of their dead into trees.
According to Tolkien, Galadriel was in Valinor learning lore and getting really wise, but according to Bezos, she was being bullied by elf kids, LMAO. Also, Elves in the books do not have long childhoods, they mature pretty quickly and are not prone to feelings of bullying, fighting etc like normal kids. But can't expect the writers to know that.
She had brothers and cousins, but there's no way to know how much time passed between their births or how old any of them are, just the relative ages of each sibling group. It doesn't feel likely or right to me that elf women would have all their children in the space of a few years and then just not have any more. @@christophersmith8316
Haven't we all? If current day shows were good, we'd be watching them. Since they're terrible, we're entertained by youtubers. Either way- the audience wins
I commented in another video that the two creators (J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay) have no previous experience in film. Other than Patrick McKay having a minor writing gig on Star Trek Beyond (which wasn't even credited in the movie according to IMDb - to show how minor a writing gig it was) they two had nothing. It is almost like Amazon approached two people on the street and asked them if they would like an opportunity to spend $1 billion making a TV series on Tolkien's work. There is no indication these two knew of Tolkien, had read Tolkien, or even liked Tolkien. It is like this project started as a three page synopsis of this literary classic and these two went to town creating their own story and stayed within the confines of that three page synopsis and ignored everything else. I wouldn't even label this as fan fiction. Because that assumes the writers are fans to begin with, which in all honesty I doubt. This was just a paying gig with an obscene amount of money which gave them way to much creative liberty with an IP that would give even an experienced Producer time to pause and reflect how to proceed because you know it is going to end badly if you do it poorly. To be fair, Amazon's promotional material on these two indicate a larger history in Hollywood than what IMDb gives them credit for. It claims that these two have been pretty much glued to the hip for 25 years working together and besides working with JJ Abrams, Bad Robot to do the Star Trek Beyond also wrote Disney's Jungle Cruise. I bring up both of these works because both should have raised alarms. It is well publicized that the deal between Bad Robot and WB has soured and WB wants out. Not that I can blame them as JJ Abrams doesn't appear to hold up his end on the deal with much content for WB. The one work that Abrams seems to be putting all his energy into "Deminonde" appears to be too costly for WB to continue to support and the project is likely to be shelved before it is even completed. But the one writing gig these two did for Abrams, Star Trek Beyond under performed. It barely broke even in the US box office with production costs and what revenue was generated internationally mostly stayed in those countries or had to cover advertisement expenses. In short the movie flopped. Badly. And that leaves us to Jungle Cruise. A movie that might as well be call Pirates of the Amazon River because the plot mirrors the main storyline of two of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. One being the idea of undead pirates/conquistadors, the other being the idea of immortality. In Pirates it was the Fountain of Youth. In Jungle Cruise it was the Tree of Live. But my point is that script should have shown Amazon that these two (Payne and McKay) were devoid of their own ideas. Instead of coming up with some other reason to travel up the Amazon River, they literally stole ideas from one of Disney's own franchises. Further, as if history was destined to repeat itself, Jungle Cruise didn't just under perform in the box office, it didn't even break even. So why anybody at Amazon thought Payne and McKay could do Tolkien's work justice is beyond me. This was a train wreck waiting to happen. And the wreck did happen. I have no idea if the management at Amazon who likely got a sneak pre-screening of the series thought it was an abomination or if they had never read Tolkien's work and assumed it had just the right "woke" to give Marvel's MCU a run for its money in that regard. But if somebody on that board had read Tolkien's work I'm sure he/she probably leaned back in the their chair and thought, "somebody is getting fired over this. Heads are going to roll when the fans get a hold of it". We see now Amazon's response. The fans hate it. And with good reason. JSG is not the only fan on TH-cam who has address how badly this series failed at interpreting Tolkien's work. I looked at Rotten Tomatoes right before I typed this response. Fan approval was at 38%. Earlier today it was hovering between 35 - 36%. A two percent raise indicates RT is skewering the numbers by removing negative reviews, but this site has been known for this behavior for quite some time so there really is no surprises there. The slow tick upward just indicates that they are just staying a little ahead of the people posting more bad reviews.
Not to mention it simply felt off for the race of Elves in general. Even if they are elven children, I would imagine them being much more above than simple bullying. The way I would imagine childhood of elven children, especially the ones born in Valinor, is that they would spend their early days venturing into every corner of the woods, interacting with other maiar and valar to hear the stories of the old, and taking their naps or singing under the light of the two trees. (Damn, even when I type these things, I felt like my imagination is too shallow and Tolkien would have come up with something way more beautiful)
The sinking of the paper ship scene is a callback to the Kinslaying. Unfortunately, a lot of what the showrunners created will go over your head, and many others like you.
They did Finrod (Galadriel's brother) real dirty. He was a very, very important character in Tolkien's works. He was the first elf to befriend humans. You know the ring Aragorn wears? Finrod is the guy who gave it to Aragorn's ancestor, Barahir. He was essentially the first bridge between elves and humans. By saving Beren (the ancestor of countless key characters including Aragorn, Elrond and the entire Numenorian race) he made it possible for Morgoth, and by extension, Sauron, to be defeated. He was the first elf to be brought back from the dead as a reward for the great things he accomplished. Now he's literally just a plot mechanism ("i Kn0w Sauwon is still out dewe and I have to f1nD hIm DURRR") there for the single purpose of allowing Galadriel to do things that, well, she never did . . . Utterly ridiculous. Edit: They actually could have made a decent show just from the appendixes- it just would have had to have been about Elendil, Isildur and Anarion, and I think that would've been pretty damn cool. They didn't have the rights to the Silmarillion, and they couldn't reference anything that wasn't mentioned in LOTR and its appendixes SO WHY? Why did they make this dumpster fire? It's so awful.
I don't know why they are ignoring that story. I loved it, still do. the courage of the elves who kept their oaths, including Finrod, is beautiful to behold. At first I wondered if they might tell that story. I'd walk over broken glass to see a well done version of that story as movie or TV.
Right and now gilgalad is stupid and believes Sauron is going and Elrond isn’t worried about him either. Even though they were the most vigilant and turned Sauron away as annatar. Galadriel was skeptical but not to the extent of Elrond. I mean Galadriel is bad ass but she’s bad ass in her own right and they’re trying to make her badass in the right of Elrond and gilgalad. How much you want to bet if it makes it to the end that Galadriel will be the one responsible for giving isidore the opportunity to cut the ring of Sauron instead of gilgalad and his father. And she’ll probably scream for them to destroy the right while Elrond stops her.
It began with the forging of the great films. Threads were given by Tolkien, wisest and fairest of them all. Rights were then given to Jackson; great miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore. And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men, who above all else, desired quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a master flop. And into this show he poured his malice, his greed and his will to dominate all film. One show to ruin them all Edit: stole this from Alexander Mandelin
I’m not surprised. This is Disney’s Star Wars but on a larger scale. Also, other film studio executive boards are watching the reactions to this. Send them to a message by not hate watching this for one second.
Agree. I hope the reviews show other studios that this garbage isn't wanted from the fans. The fans want a fantasy story not a story about gender politics. But speaking of Star Wars it's really interesting and surprising how other studios haven't learned anything from Rey in Star Wars. I mean the backlash Rey got from fans in being super duper uber at everything she did and now they make Galadriel exact the same.
I dare say that we all need to take it a step further; The Hobbit and Lord of the rings movies are streaming on Amazon Prime. Give your views to those, but deny the creators of the series. I think that will send a more obvious message.
Eowyn takes off her helmet and says "I am no man" and proceeds to kill the Witch King. Her character developed over 2 movies, we followed her struggle, and learn her strengths and limitations. It made her and this scene feel so much more impactful. Galadriel on the other hand goes from young bullied elf (what?) to ice climbing, troll slaying, Sauron hunting unstoppable superbeing in a matter of minutes. Eowyn struggled, fought and overcame problems. Galadriel just uses cheats.
Eowyn never fought to prove she was as good as a man, she fought to prove she has a right to fight for those she loves, eowyn written by Tolkien is how strong female characters should be written
Omg its two episodes inn, with about 30 min in total with galadriel, what the problem with her being ice climbing, troll slaying sauron hunting etc, there are a handfull of characters being overpowered, while still being interesting. Having a lot of power does not equal bad character writing…
"One does not simply buy the rights to the Lord of the rings" "Its great lore is guarded by more than just scholars. There is obsession there that does not sleep. The great fan is ever watchful." 📖
From what I've seen, Amazon paid $250 million for the right to put "The Lord of the Rings" above the title to a story that _isn't_ The Lord of the Rings because it's set a thousand years earlier, before any of the rings have been made and before Sauron (the actual Lord of the Rings) becomes the main bad guy. Then they took the Tolkien scraps they'd got and started ignoring chunks of them. If they were willing to spend that much for so little why didn't they call me? I'd have found 249 friends and had One Party to Rule Them All.
I guess they just wanted to play some cool kids games in an already established world, but treating it as mere inspiration. Bad move. Visuals don't save a weak storyline and the destruction of the lore.
I refuse to even hate watch this show. You will get my view as i wholeheartedly see that you know the lore, and i have trust in your dedication to the lore. Not watching is the best thing i can do to honor the original works
Dude, legitimately if all you ever do in life is defend Tolkien's work, it is a life worth spent. You have honest, natural knowledge about it. It's needed. Thank you.
So obviously (and quite rightly) everyone with any integrity has been shitting on this from a great height, but nobody (with very few exceptions) can bring a deep love of the source material like you do. I both appreciate your insights and feel your pain, and I hope (in vain) that it will all be over soon.
I do not think we will get a second season when even mainstream media trash it. But the worst beating came from the piblication knowing the show best entertainment weekly absolutely annihalated it. So since it is a vanity project I think it came crashing down after the first two episodes.
"You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something brilliant and before you even knew what you had you patented it, you packaged it, and now (bam) you're selling it (bam) you're selling it. You were so focused on whether or not you could that you never to stopped to think about whether or not you should."
I just can't believe what they've done to the elves. Like people find fault with the PJ trilogy but dam he got elves right. They felt actually ethereal and that single scene in the fellowship with Galadriel and Frodo is one of the most amazing scenes and shows elves for what they are. They should be angelic spirits walking the earth. They should shine with a light. In ROP they feel like humans with pointy ears. Tolkien seems to make it quite clear that you can tell an elf and a human apart. While elves might not all have been long haired. I feel that beautiful long hair makes sure they're separate from humans. They should be the most beautiful being you've ever seen.
Jackson had the easier job because the elves were not in the those movies very much of the time. Still, that's no excuse for ROP not to do more to make them look ethereal. I think it was beyond their capabilities.
I still cant get over the elven children bullying Galadriel. Thats just not in the nature of elves of Valinor specially in the Years of the Trees. They are literally bathing in divine light. How the hell can they be portrayed as cruel for absolutely no reason.
@@jagatech9345 Lack of actual knowledge of the lore by the writers is the only reasonable explanation. Like most modern "woke" content the creators just didn't care that much beyond the paycheck and following corporate diversity directives and it clearly shows...
@Aung Ramen I would of liked that It felt like that he was interduced as her brother and oh no he dead now so I felt no connection at whole for the whole like 5 minutes he was alive
@@captaingalaxy5265 I like how no one has blamed the estate for not giving the full rights to the silmarillion. They can only hint at first age plot points because of how the Tolkien estate dealt the rights, they won’t receive any criticism though.
@@JPISME91 I think the Tolkien Estate - without Christopher - don't have the same stewardship for the lore and the canon provided the cheques rolling in.
Nott a full pass for Amazon but Sauron was responsible for his death..so it was just a simplified version of what happened, and a very bad one at that.
@@JPISME91 people don't blame tolkien estate for this because it was clear what amazon was allowed to use and what not. Amazon decided to still to it / make the show like this so they are to blame
The fact that Tolkien's life's work, an anti-corporate industrialism recreation of legend, written by a professor of linguistics, that will speak to all ages forever, in the same way that Homer does, will now be repeatedly desecrated by the exact example of the vileness the story was written against, over and over for another 50 more hours for likely the next decade, is truly terrifying. The dark one has finally gathered enough power to corrupt Middle-earth
Remember that not even the strongest of the ainur, vala Melkor, could not defy Eru Ilúvatar's theme, as the theme is all-encompassing and will integrate it for its benefit.
Speaking of Homer: Think how many bad adaptations, movies and TV shows, did not "stick to the lore" as portrayed by Homer. Have the Iliad and the Odyssey suffered or been "destroyed" by poor adaptations and bad copies?
@@pavelvishnevsky6315 why are you quoting me as saying "destroyed" i said "desecrated". Is that a translation thing? Troy was fairly terrible as well but not this bad. Neither will be "destroyed" trust me. This dog shit will be forgotten quick dont worry. Tolkien will endure this I have no doubt. None-the-less I will certainly fight for Tolkien not Besos the current holder of this terrible Ring of Power no matter what. This shit needs to be canceled in the truest sense.
The story wasn't written against. Y'all really think you understand "Tolkien" when he's from a different time and he was against industralization in general. We were fucking born into it, he saw it change and shape his home. don't even think this compares to what Tolkien was writing about and if you do you really don't understand any of it. If Tolkien were alive in this era he would deffo move to the big screen himself and cash a paycheck, it'd just be more accurate to lore, also keep in mind they didn't acquire ALL the rights, what they can use when it comes to Tolkienverse is LIMITED
@@pavelvishnevsky6315 They have suffered indeed. For many people the arbitrary changes of these adaptations are now more well know than the original, this in turn has made popular a whole bunch of miscomseption about Greek and Mediterranean cultures.
I think what bothers me the most is the callous calculation done by Amazon. The writers they hired wanted to show us their fantasy, but nobody would watch that. Nobody would care. Instead, they crawled inside the body of an established and well-loved work, one with a far-reaching fanbase, in order to make use of the name and likeness of Tolkien's work. What they've done is create a cinematic zombie. It looks like Tolkien's works in some respect, but it definitely can't claim to be that anymore. Like a zombie, it is a stilted and shambling creation, a mockery of what once made it vibrant, and it seeks to feast on our brains.
Tolkien's work is timeless! Placing modern nihilistic politics, gender identity and all these ideology is precisely to put an end to this timelessness. This has to be a flop.
Precisely! Tolkien was a traditionalist story teller, not a modernist, and certainly not a postmodernist. Infusing his work with incompatible philosophical elements and approaches to story telling is not adaptation but transformation.
(preface: not a Tolkien reader, just a casual viewer looking for something to watch on a Saturday evening) Haven't caught any of these elements while watching the first two episodes. The only issue I have right now is with Arondir- the actor's quite stale. I'm liking Galadriel, and the idea of hunting down the remnant elements of evil, to a fault- I think her negative attributes are intentional now, and she'll eventually come to learn from that.
The part they left out I missed most, was when Galadriel declines her acceptance into the Vulcan Science Academy, based on her taunting and discrimination she had faced as a child, on account of her human mother....
“So Strong Woman meets with Elrond, and they seem to be smitten with each other.” Aaaaand I just recoiled so hard, my grandkids *and* my ancestors felt it…
@Alex Green There's a picture from the og LOTR trilogy showing Cate Blanchette (Galadriel) and Liv Tyler (Arwen) in Lothlorien. Maybe part of the deleted scenes. I just learned recently that there's a deleted scene of Arwen and Aragorn's first meeting. I need that extended extended cut. 😂
I get a lot of people are not thrilled with this but it’s only been 2 episodes, giving it some time might not be the worst. (3rd episode came out and my hope is lost.)
No one would watch a modern-day "original" woke-penned, epic-fantasy in the kind of numbers they'd need to justify its making.... and they KNOW it. That's why they're desperately trying to get viewer-traction from the established Tolkien brand. They basically want unearned traction and interest to which they can "overlay" what they really want to present. Then, when this bombs because of its utter transparency before an intelligent audience....they then want to blame that audience for rejecting what they've produced....when in truth....nobody really, at any time WANTED the kind of crud they were intent on producing, which...with or without the "Tolkien" branding, was always going to be predictably poor and uninspiring.
Sadly the majority of the fans dont read anything, books included. I can bet my ass there is an army of idiots liking the show just so they can belong to current trending corporate shit. That is the reality of fanbases. They dont like anything - they just want to be accepted.
Honestly the bullying scene with elf kids just rubs me the wrong way because it's just not thematically elvish. Elves are immortal, creatures that persist, who came from undying lands. They would not be quick to destroy. They wouldn't just sink Galadriel's paper boat on a whim, even as kids. My first idea was to do something like what Jarjar Abrams did on the first Star Trek movie he did, where he portrayed the Vulcans bullying kid Spock by making fun of his parentage and making him feel small. Galadriel should have made something beautiful, like a paper swan, only to have other kids redesign it, and then make her feel small as they say they have improved on what she had made crudely. Her mother could then teach her to understand that everyone sees beauty differently, but at the same time Galadriel could defend herself and say that they had no right to pervert her original design. This could then broach mythology and make them consider why Iluvatar made the Elves to begin with, or other creations of Iluvatar. This could then be thematically called back to later on as Morgoth and Sauron twist Elves into Orcs. They could have done something thematic, and instead they made Elves no different than Men. Because they have zero creativity or respect.
"...Galadriel could defend herself and say that they had no right to pervert her original design. This could then broach mythology..." On one hand, you're absolutely right. On the other hand, that could never happen, because the whole thing exists specifically as a function of Saruman the Bald and SJW writers in general not understanding that, or not caring.
I am kinda tired of the bullying trope It's never the kid with friends the one who saves the world, is neither the capable and admired but lonely kid who keep on that line, is neither the kid with rage the one who needs help and support (except for Zuko from ATLA). And somehow, the bullied the most beautiful, nice, charismatic, stroger and talented kid. Yep, totally accurate. Bullied kids deserve support and hope, of course they need it, but they are not the only ones who can change themselves and the society or the only ones who need help. This trope only has encouraged people to look to being a victim and enjoy their own suffering.
Give everyone a few days... JSG does well, as always, and there are others with decent knowledge such as Council of the Rings, European Lore. Disparu does as well, but can be a bit loud. Tolkien Untangled and The One Ring should be along in due course.
@@dw620 He does well unless he is reviewing the Punisher. Had to make a response video to that, as his understanding of the Punisher was as bad or worse as these people's understanding of Tolkein.
Men of the West, who I enjoy for his work on explaining the "lore", have an honest review although he was also trying to be a bit nice because that's his nature.
So let me get this straight, the vision Gladriel had in the lord of the rings when she was about to take the ring and becomes this great queen more terrible than the stars, dressed in warrior armor. This is the character that they chose to run with in rings of power? Curious!
Yes but I thought that that was part of the visions that had not yet come to pass. So that character never existed as she passed the test and remain Galadriel’s she had always been a wise and gentle but strong elf
Amazon could have made an original fantasy story, used the money saved from the licensing costs to get better writers, and even if it turned out to be the same level of trash they at least wouldn't have made lifelong enemies of the Tolkien fanbase. Do a proper adaptation of Tolkien or don't do it at all.
OG Galadriel: possesed actual flaws that she fought to overcome (eg: lust for power/to rule, arrogance etc) and wielded magic powers to banish evil/protect rather than charging onto the battlefield RoP Galadriel: better than everyone else (especially her male counterparts) and uses a sword and elven martial arts Amazon's character upgrade was actually a downgrade.
They had such a good opportunity to actually write a conflicted Galadriel, wanting to rule her own kingdom, being extremely arrogant due to being the lady of light and having bathed in the light of the 2 trees, and being next of kin to the heroes that defeated morgoth. A character arc of her traveling around trying to find a good place to settle and build a kingdom, and dealing with humans and other races, mediating conflicts and occasionally using her magic to defend against a dark threat, and eventually realizing that it would be better to join and help maintain an existing kingdom than building her own due to the growing threat. It would give her inner conflict, a better way to tie her into the larger plot and actually show her prowess as a sorceress and diplomat. With the way the show is going, she is going to fall to Saurons deceptions, while being one of the only people in middle earth that immediately realized he was planning something nefarious in the background.
@@universe.factory It's been a while since I've read the books but I don't recall the Silmarillion or the Appendices ever mentioning that she was a physical warrior. If I am wrong feel free to correct me and let me know which page or chapter you've read that mentions this.
@@suenzhong7891 Tolkien stated that Amazon translates to Gothwin which means "War Women". So I don't think he was just talking about her stature especially when the only other women he describes as amazonian are real warriors (Haleth the warrior queen, Makar's sister the goddess of war) Also he states that "... she fought fiercely against Fëanor in defence of her mother’s kin, she did not turn back" in “The Shibboleth of Fëanor”. In a crisis all elves fight against evil. Even Arondir says in Rings of power he was a grower before the war and not a warrior. It's common for elves to be warriors even if they have a normal "job". Also this whole fighting with magic doesn't really exist. In war nearly everybody uses Weapons, even the Valar, Sauron, and even Gandalf a wizzard always fights with a sword. The only thing thats kinda similar to magic is the singing they sometimes did in Silmarillion but actual battles were always faught with weapons. I don't think it's stated clearly that she was a physical warrior but from what we know about the elves and wars in general and with quotes like the above, it's believable that she fought with a sword before the third age. And to OP's comment about Galadriel being better then anyone else, because she had lived in Valinor with the light of the Trees she is way more powerfull then other elves that didn't live with the valar. She also was trained in a lot of stuff by the Valar so of course she is way stronger then nearly all elves that are left in middle earth. Some Elves could 1v1 Balrogs and Galadriel is always described that she is somewhat on the same level as these elves were.
Galadriel was a child in Valinor during the Years of the Trees. It was a time of miracles. I have a hard time even thinking that in this time in this world elf children were running around teasing each other. It takes away from what you expect Valinor to be.
The best review I've read so far.... It began with the forging of the great films.Threads were given by Tolkien, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Rights were granted to Jackson, great miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore. And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men, who above all else, desire quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a master flop, And into this show he poured his money, his greed and his will to dominate all film. One show to ruin them all......
The thing that bothers me the most is that all of these characters from the books are characters anyone can love and relate to. There’s a reason why so many of us love them. To hear this team and actors say that they didn’t love this work prior to going in and being cast is really heartbreaking.
i watched the super fans video and some of them were saying "they loved lotr" ? but also at the same time they said this was their chance to make it possible for people like them to relate? i wonder how can you love something if you didnt relate to it (the earlier work that was more truthful to lore) but also claim if you cant relate you cant love something? honestly these people are just lying.
That's because it seems no-one in the cast even KNOW what Tolkien is (and isn't making any fuss about it), much less respect it. For them, this is a pay job and participation in a premium production on their resume. They don't care one way or the other WHY people are pissed and their interest is only on where the next paying gig is. One cannot blame the actors because it's only a job for them, but one can blame the showrunners and the writers because it's LITERALLY their job to know what they are writing about. :/
Given that Christopher Tolkien was unhappy about the devotions Peter Jackson took in his films, I dread to think what he'd make of this show which utterly trashes all of Tolkien's lore in terms of characters and the established story. If he was alive and expressed his disgust and I believe he'd seriously not like and be borderline furious with what they'd done he'd probably be called a bigoted toxic racist despite being the literary executor of his father's works.
Man gonna get a heart attack if he ever did saw this.. My god, this show just lowballed characters who are fcking powerful in the books and in the og trilogy. So in short, Galadriel is revenge-driven because his brother got killed by Sauron (which is not true). Back in Valinor, his brother and Mandos are having a drink and laughing about this sht show. 🤣🤣🤣
I think he only agreed to sell them the rights to do this because they had contracted with Shipley. Notice they took the first excuse they could to fire Shipley AFTER Christopher Tolkien died. I had always suspected they contracted with Shipley merely to get Christopher Tolkien to agree to them having any kind of license at all and suspect that the initial production delays were intentional, hoping Christopher would die before details leaked.
It's incredible that they've made this big and this expensive of a show about Lord of the Rings - and yet, it's not meant for fans of Lord of the Rings. I understand Hollywood is either too scared to imagine, unable to imagine, or a bit of both, which is why they have to reimagine quality stories to suit their own purposes, but this takes the cake and lembas bread.
They need a soul to have imagination so it *unable to imagine* can tell entertainment not made with passion like it once was . it more push a Worldly narrative onto people...
But it is not meant for LotR fans, if it was they wouldn't have change, erased or twisted so much of the lore. This is purely a we want strong woman and diversity in Tolkien's work and will change whatever we want to get there.
@@petis1976 sad they just can't make up something original like the first Alien movie with Ripley or the original Terminator 1 and 2 with Sarah Connors... actually now that I think of it weren't 90% of horror movies females were always the main protagonist ? in Freddy and Jason , Halloween movies ? Dafuq at least those ladies had hard fought battle and survivors... no idea why every sci fi entertainment needs so many Mary Sue characters
Thank you for mentioning the Troll scene! A literal hunting party for a powerful Maia can't defeat a Troll? It almost felt like they were sent to die at that point.
Sauron is with Gothmog the most powerful of Morgoth's servants(not a good fighter like Gothmog, but he would be able to easily deal with dozen elves), and they sent this small party of incompetent soldiers. The last aliance needed the greatest army seen since the first age to bring him down, and two kings of Elves and Men died in this endevour...for God's sake this show is stupid.
It wasn't a necessary scene. It was the scriptwriters spitting in the audience collective face. "Haha. She beats a troll. A troll. See what we did there? We're so clever."
They didn’t even check the fallen elves to see if they were still breathing or bury them. They just left them there!! Seems odd that comrades on a quest would just go ‘nah, they’re probably dead, oh well!’ and move on! The writing was awful throughout the 25 mins of the episode that I could actually stand to watch before I switched off.
The World has changed, I feel it in the water, I feel it in the Earth. I smell it in the air. It began with the writing of the great books. Ideas were given to J.R.R Tolkien, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Film rights were granted to Jackson, great director and craftsman of the mountain of lore. And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men, who above all else, desire quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the Land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a massive flop. And into this show he poured his money, his malice and his will to dominate all shows. One show to ruin them all, one show to bind them, in the Land of Amazon where the shadows lie.
One by one the free Series of the World fell to the power of the Show, but there were some who resisted. A last Alliance of Tolkien Fans and Movie Critics marched upon the armies of Amazon and on the slopes of Mount Prime they fought for the freedom pf the free Series of the World!
This fella' truly knows his way around Tolkien's work, and the analysis he presents in this video rips Amazon's tawdry show apart I do wish people who pretend to care about the legendarium would shut up, sit down & listen
He really does. He knows the languages. I looked at the description of the languages and realized I didn't understand it all and didn't even know how to begin to understand. 'Over my head'
I felt really terrible when even Galadriel's father doubted her ever playing football for Notre Dame, told her not to waste her time. Then, in the last game of her eligibility, the coach has her go in the game when the entire stadium chants, "Glad-dy, Glad-dy, Glad-dy..." and she gets a garbage-time sack, and elves, orcs and trolls alike carry her off the field, cut to dad crying and a black guy, her mentor, nodding. In this version, though, they updated the job title of the latter from lowly groundskeeper to Monsignor and President of the University, you know, because the other job seemed...well, you know...
I’ve been seeing non-stop overly positive headlines in the “mainstream” media where I live. Looking forward to hearing from an actual Tolkien fan and lore buff.
The visuals were great, the acting was great and the story was great. Unfortunately it wasn't related to Tolkien but in name only. The producers could have easily created their own series and it would have been a great hit. Instead they corrupted Tolkien's world.
I think it was Nerd Cookies that looked into this. A lot of times these seemingly great reviews actually tear the show apart. But it's oddly after around the 3rd paragraph. Kind of seems like a lot of mainstream critics are booing the show in their articles. Then some editor insists on a few praising opening paragraphs and changes the title to something praising.
@@jonnybgoode7742 the story, timeline and "narrative" is unforgivable. If only amazon chose to produce a smaller creator like Shad their series would have been good.
“The original LoTR”??? The Lord of the Rings is a novel written by JRR Tolkien. The movies are unfaithful adaptations. You are not a LotR fan, and you have a bad taste.
Galadriel being bullied in the lands of Valinor is antithetic. There was absolutely NO conflict in there before the forging of the Simlarils by Fëanor. Thats why its the land of the gods, and not a fucking post war suburb.
A small correction. After the defeat of Morgoth, the Noldor were forgiven by the Valar and they could return to Valinor at any time. Galadriel chose to stay in Middle-Earth because she loved the land.
@@Skabanis all the elves were invited to go to Valinor after the War of the Wrath. Only the 2 surviving sons of Fëanor were subject to judgment from the Valar. From the Silmarillion, "Yet not all the Eldalië were willing to forsake the Hither Lands where they had long suffered and long dwelt; and some lingered many an age in Middle-Earth. Among those where Cirdan the Shipwright, and Celeborn of Doriath, with Galadriel his wife, who alone remained of those who led the Noldor to exile in Beleriand." Galadriel chose to stay. The test mentioned in the Lord of the Rings was nothing formal. Frodo was willing to give her the One Ring, and Galadriel took it as a test of her own strength to resist the call of power.
I would love a film or series on Morgoth and then Sauron's betrayal and rise to power. Either animated like the 1978 film or just hand drawn the original way or live action. I mean Morgoth must have supporters who are not to keen with Sauron. I would just love to see it all play out despite knowing how it ends.
@@ghyslainabel "...Her prayer was granted - but also her personal ban was lifted, in reward for her services against Sauron, and above all for her rejection of the temptation to take the Ring when offered to her." - Tolkien letter 297 "...At the end of the First Age she proudly refused forgiveness or permission to return. She was pardoned because of her resistance to the final and overwhelming temptation to take the Ring for herself." -Tolkien letter 320 "[Things didn't change until] two long ages more had passed, when at last all that she had desired in her youth came to her hand, the Ring of Power and the dominion of Middle-earth of which she had dreamed, that her wisdom was full grown and she rejected it, and passing the last test departed from Middle-earth for ever." - The unfinished Tales Technically, you and Malaka are both correct as you also quote the similarian. The reality is that Tolkien wrote contradictary accounts of when Galadriel was truly pardoned. Christopher Tolkien also talked about how this contradiction existed.
Thank you mate. One thing, 20:50 - he never wrote that elves have olive skin. Just variations on pale, fair, white, etc. It might be something from one of the RPGs that slipped into the wikis.
The new show was so horrible that even I who try not to judge things TOO harshly was very, very underwhelmed and disappointed. Guys, the actors, the story development, the failed portrayal of the plastic and one-dimensional "elves", everything was NOT okay. Even Galadriel seemed so unlikable and superficial. Amazon has won many battles, we can't let them win this one! FIGHT ON, GUYS.
Tolkien wrote her as the pinnacle of feminine power. An unmatched sorceress that was single handedly holding the powers of evil at bay in her lands. They wrote her "more" powerful by acting like any old dude in an 80s action movie swinging her $@%# around. Seriously the scene where she jumps off the boat and is gonna swim a distance that would have taken months on that boat made my eyes roll so hard it hurt.
^^^^ this!! as a feminine woman (who's also a feminist, who would have thought) i am SO TIRED of this trend of making "powerful" female characters just charicatures of buff action hero men. It's sexist af and just bad representation over all. Galadriel is so badass she has never needed anything more than her voice to scare off baddies.
"The fandom was dear to you I see, know that it suffered greatly at the hands of it's host. Who knew one so devoted could endure so much pain. And they did Gandalf, They did." -The mouth of Amazon to Gandalf the white on the show causing suffering to the fandom.
First 15 minutes of episode 1: Galadriel punches (bear fisted) a solid wall of ice and breaks it (!). Then she faces solo a (giant) ice troll and kills it without any issues with preternatural ninja-like abilities, when 7 male elite warrior elves had previously been pulverized by it and swatted like flies against the cave's walls. And it goes on and on ... The show alienates the viewer. We are watching a selfish superwoman, not a plausible elf warrior that sweats and bleeds like in Jackson's trilogy.
I like how Galadriel uses the knife to point at a location on the map she is holding. Like, just point to it with your finger, drawing the knife is just silly.
When I was a little girl my dad use to read the hobbit and the lord of the rings to me at night. when I got older I watched the movies and read the silmarillion. I grew up loving Tolkiens world and some of my favourite memories with my dad are tied to it. I never would have thought that one day there be a tv show "based" on his work and I'd have zero interest in it.
Here's something fun to do with modern writers, especially for TV. Go look them up online, read their interviews, and look for the part where they mention a friend got them their first job. Bonus points if they mention having never considered or studied writing before as if that gives them some unique insight into it.
The writers can make or break a show. My go too for this is the original Star Trek movies. Same cast for all 6 movies, playing the same characters. The difference is the writers and directors. Some of the movies are loved number 2 and 6, others are good, and some are ignored, number 5. Now everyone needs to start somewhere in what ever job they start working in, but most people start out small. I’m going to use Orson Scott Card as an example. Card started out as an assistant editor on a church publication, while doing that he submitted short stories to other publications. One of those was a short story, about 60 to 70 pages, called Ender’s Game. After many more short stories and years later Ender’s Game became a complete full length novel. Card did not start out with a full length novel but did the work to build up too a full length novel. Card grew as a writer putting in the time and work. To many writers today want to jump to the top of their game without putting in the work or the time. I can think of many reasons why this is, but have nothing to seriously back up those assumptions. What I do have is a string of movies and TV series that all all fall short of the original work. Maybe this is hubris on the screen writes part or just the lack of experience but it shows in their work.
Man...remember in the Hobbit when Galadriel shows up to save Gandalf? She looked so graceful, elegant and just radiated pure power... She basically pimp slapped someone out of existence with one hand... And yet here...they couldn't even imitate a fraction of that greatness...
@@bumscum4989 Jacksons interpretation is as close as a screen adaptation will get. And while there are many little things that don't fit into the lore, Galadriel isn't one of them. Her portrayal is pretty faithful. One can argue about wether the Dol Guldur scene in The Hobbit was true to the books plot, but Galadriels characterisation as an anchient and powerful being that didn't need any weapons to fight is true to how Tolkien described her. Compared to what this show did with the character, it's damm near spot on.
@@rockyblacksmith there’s so much wrong with his interpretation to the point that the estate and Christopher were very vocal about their displeasure. Still, they are good adaptions on their own merit. Same thing here, there’s some good things, some okay things and some things that might not work. Either way, it’s fine. It is after all not following a work but rather supposed characters. The backlash is honestly equal parts funny and pathetic.
@@bumscum4989 You honestly want to compare the things Jackson changed to THIS? I'll tell you what is lore-destroying; The idea that Galadriel would go on a revenge quest for her brothers death (which itself is massively misrepresented) when the very nature of elves means she'll see him again. The idea that Gil-Galad is the one giving permission for elves to go back to Valinor, instead of, you know, all Noldor being under a ban by the Valar. The idea that an elf would just casually strike up a romance with a human (an event that, when happening in Tolkiens writings, always had MASSIVE significance) The idea that a Silvan Elf would even have been in Valinor. All of these things are massive contradictions to the events of the first age. Nothing in Jacksons LotR trilogy came close to even ONE of these in terms of it's contradiction to otherwise established lore. And even in the clusterf*ck that was the Hobbit trilogy, hardly anything is THAT egregious. And the worst of them, the elf-dwarf romance, was mandated by the studio against the writers intentions.
@@bumscum4989 You are funny and pathetic. Jacksons portrail didn't significantly change the story. In any case, I don't really think that's the major issue. RoP could still have all of it's chronological problems and be a good show if the actors where good, the characters actually looked what they should look like, the dialog was in character and if the plot was more convincing. The problem is that while Jackson's is LOTR and it positively stands out from other fantasy movies, you could call RoP anything else and nobody would bat an eye. You being incapable of understanding why this is so so much worse that PJ's shows just how ignorant you are. You aren't a fan.
Them Changing the circumstances of Finrods death introduces a whole lot of consistency problems. For example him living to hunt for Sauron implies that he either survived the whole affair with Beren getting the Silmarill (and leaving a question what he was up to after and during all of that, since he is kinda important), or implying that he never went to help Beren (which means that Beren would be, probably, eaten by werewolf and, thus destroying all hope for Middle Earth).
I’m only 3 mins in to video and I’m thinking, “aren’t these elvish children? Wouldn’t they be beyond bullying and fisticuffs, even as children?” I’m no Tolkien expert or purest but it seems like ANY version of High Elf in any story would be above this type of brutish behavior even as children
It was similar in Bad Reboots Star Trek, Spock getting bullied by other Vulcan children. It doesn't make sense for Vulcans (or Elves for that matter) to act like humans.
@@Mike_Spilligan No, they can be far worse than simple bullies, they murdered thousands of their kin when stealing the Teleri's swan vessels, the Teleri had no weapons, they were hacked and butchered to pieces. The kinslaying showed how dark they can be when driven by that lust for vengeance, even to their own kind. And that is no invention, it comes straight from the Silmarillion.
@@Deverud Well, there was at least some kind of "Spock got bullied" backstory in the Animated Series, as well as some implication in "Amok Time" and our meeting with Spock's parents. But "got bullied" basically was "all the other Vulcan kids didn't want to play with Spock," IIRC. Nothing violent happened, because it was Vulcan.
You're absolutely right! They are doing exactly what every other Hollywood studio is doing: burning through billions of dollars to peddle propaganda to the masses. That is what this Amazon garbage is.
Some people don't actually "watch" (ie, intelligently process) a show or film. They just let the imagery and sound sort of "wash" over them without any thought.
My mom doesn't care for the lore or anything at all, she's said she enjoys shows/movies for what they are and if they entertain her at the moment, regardless if there are things wrong with it. I've given up on trying to convince her on anything.
In the Peter Jackson trilogy, we see Galadriel in her weakest moment, falling for the power of the ring. And even then, she look stronger and terrifying.
IIRC Galadriel was allowed to return to Valinor after refusing the Ring from Frodo. "I passed the test..." she said, in reference to finally choosing the path of wisdom over her own ambition. The Ring would have finally given her all she ever wanted, though condemning her to darkness.
Galadriel's emotional development was obviously stunted by her being bullied as a child-elf by other child-elves in Valinor ... hence the lashing out. At least we were spared (so far, anyway -- flashback?) further bullying when she was slightly older in an environment emotionally indistinguishable from the US high school of TV and film.
The actors and actresses in Peter Jackson’s films, became those characters they were portraying. For instance, the last scene Viggo filmed as Aragorn, Elessar II, was him turning around at the Black Gate, and saying “For Frodo”. To capture the actors real emotion of it being his last scene, and to capture that he was still holding to his oath to the ring bearer. These fucking clowns will never understand what makes a film or show good, and what separates the good from the great.
You're just clinging on to an idealized version of your childhood memories because you never learned to emotionally acknowledge the negative things about growing up. People were crying about Jackson's films while they were being made. You just didn't see it because outrage culture wasn't as prominent at the time.
@@kongspeaks4778 because of certain plot holes rightfully so back then. Today in current climate, we have to see politics of today in a mythological fictional world and not be allowed to criticize it with censorship on IMDb and screech of racism
@@patrik3450 why is it considered "political" only when minorities are on screen? If Tolkien really is all about grander philosophical themes (like decay, hope, love, faith, friendship, and a return to nature), why do people complain so much about "woke politics"? Tolkien himself was considered a "woke" dude in his time.
Homogenous characters can be diverse and inclusive. Ideas can be that. Even understanding the lore and respecting the fans is being diverse and inclusive.
Yea man. We can't let them coopt nice words like diversity and inclusion - which are, if you can get past the politics, really warm and nice ideas. These ideologues corrupt the very ideas of goodness and turn them to their evil purposes, like Morgoth in Eldamar.
Stop using the enemies' words. Diversity is not good. Variety is. The Fellowship is not homogeneous, but it is also not diverse. There's a bunch of races but they're all white. It is the variety that makes for good differences. Diversity means excluding people on the basis of sex and color, on the belief that color and sex is all there is. And that if you merely replace and glorify one race and sex over another, that it can seamlessly replace them. This is the lie that liberals believe that led to this travesty. Satan was cast out. It is he who demands inclusion. Then he demands equal standing without merit, then he demands subservience. The liberal morality was written by the devil.
@@JakesFavorites Well said. Diversity as it's used nowadays has become synonymous with racism for me. Because we include or exclude people on the exact same basis as Hitler did with jews. How come it seems we go backward in our evolution....
I laughed when they said "it's for elf lords only." That's such a modern entitled person thing to say, the dialogue is wildly out of place. IMO they would have said something like, "you are not permitted to attend the conclave, it is limited to high council only" or something similar but maybe a bit more to the point.
Which still wouldn't make sense, because, if I recall correctly, Elrond Halfelven, son of Earendil, was Gil-galad's (high king) right hand man for quite a while. Pretty sure that sort of position would be included in a high council.
@@bananskal1921, imagine white Wakandans, and then realize that LOTR is older, more deeply culturally entrenched/influential, and that there's been an ongoing trend of race-swapping figures of not just European myth and legend, but actual historical figures. Then realize that if this was happening to literally any ethnic group besides white people, you'd already be screaming that it's cultural genocide.
@@bananskal1921 Because it completely breaks the immersion of the series. Tossing in black elves literally adds nothing to the show and makes no sense in relation to the lore. It's just a way for Amazon to virtue signal about diversity. Really almost all the actors they selected to portray elves we're just terrible.
Re: that troll scene, it's actually worse ! That elven unit should have been specifically trained how to work as a unit to fight difficult foes like that troll. They should also have been the best of the best elites....
I imagine the writers assumed they needed to force some tension into this scene because that’s just how it’s supposed to go. They think it won’t be entertaining to see elite soldiers efficiently deal with a troll, so they make these soldiers incompetent to artificially raise the stakes (and then girl boss shows those filthy men how it’s done)
@@billy-the-butcher That's the thing, they could have done that by portraying her as a respected and venerated leader of her squad who spent centuries with them hunting Sauron and killing orcs. They could have given them backstory of each member having his family or loved one lost to Saurons plotting and so on. Instead we got the great commander of northern armies whose personal bodyguards are unable to deal with one troll without her presence.
I enjoy your videos, as you are extremely bright and insightful and you use the higher vocabulary and Logic you have actually EARNED from reading the great works of Western Literature. Keep up the great work.
I’m not sure what “Western” has to do with anything. Given that he’s speaking English, he probably didn’t get any of that vocabulary from reading Der Nibelungenlied
I liked the bit where Galadriel said "I'm gonna fight Sauron alone! and then went home instead. And then she said "I'm never going to give up fighting Sauron!" but then decided to go on holiday. But just before she got on holiday she decided to drown herself instead because her brother said something sad to her when she was a child and it reminded her she hates slow-motion holidays where everything is too bright and you don't get to fight Sauron forever.
I feel guilty for not watching this with my parents because they really were looking forward to more LotR works, but I also refuse to waste my lifespan seeing an iconic lore get tarnished by...you know what? You said it already.
I'm flabbergasted that this is the best that ROP could produce with their massive budget. The show is absolute crap!!! It totally dishonored and disrespected Tolkien's beloved works. It's a complete travesty, much, much worse than anything I could ever have imagined.
@@matthewlachs6265 Honestly though. The people hating this show are the Tolkien fanboys and it is getting really toxic. The Tolkien fandom is starting to look like the Star Wars fandom which is a very bad thing.
@@matthewlachs6265 Actually no. The writing is bad. What about all those conversations that look so deep but are actually completely empty? What about that talk about ships and stones? The characters are not well written either. They act very weird. And combine that with your knowledge of these characters from Tolkien and it just doesn´t make sense.
I really am convinced that a lot of big entertainment companies are under the impression an IP's success is like intrinsic to the brand, and are inherently entitled to a success if they can only make something with that IP's name and likeness on it. Any complaints about its quality or adherence to canon lore, setting, plot, or character art is immediately dismissed as not coming from real fans because in their eyes a "real fan" likes it automatically because "it's that thing they like".
its simply disdain for their customers. they think people get attached to brands, and will buy whatever product is released with that brand slapped on it. and arguably, this applies to a lot of things. Anything with a Supreme logo slapped on it sells like hot cakes, even it its ridiculously overpriced and completely useless. However, they dont understand that people that read LOTR every year, are a different category of customers than people who buy brand clothing. What amazon did here is the equivalent of buying the Rolex brand and then selling cheap chinese knockoffs that cant tell time correctly.
IDK that much about the lore, but I heard that the name "Galadriel" came from either her husband, Celeborn, or her lover Teleporno, so her name should still be Artanis. I'm not a lore stickler per se, but getting your main character's name right seems important. Like, if Jor-el was calling his baby boy "Clark" that would be ridiculous, right?
I was looking forward to your assessment of this drivel because I knew that your breakdown would be accurate and to the point. I am not disappointed. I had and have no intention of watching this insult to Tolkien's memory, so it's kind of you to suffer for me to be sure that I made the right call. Thanks Guy.
I busted a gut laughing. Every single prediction I made for this show turned out absolutely right. Every. Last. One. The writing is grade-school level shit, the effects are lackluster at best, the plot is non-existent, the music is entirely forgettable, the actors can't act their way out of a paper bag, and when the characters aren't sinfully boring, they're unbelievably obnoxious and irritating. If you were to take a shot every time this all-together wretched show breaks the established Tolkien cannon, you'd die of alcohol poisoning before the first episode was even over. Congratulations, Amazon. You've managed to make a piece that I will now count among Dragon Ball Evolution and The Last Airbender as one of the worst adaptations ever made, and a piece that is both a terrible adaptation, and a terrible piece in its own right.
one thing i have to say is, its not as bad as the trailers suggested. the trailers were 1/10. i would give this a 2 or 3/10. some of the CGI in the establishing shots is pretty good and i liked a whole 2 scenes in the first 2 episodes. the acting is awful, but not as absolutely brainmelting horrible as it was in the trailers. you can see the actors are trying. its just that the dialogue is so cringe that they cant do anything with it, and its too obvious theyre just standing in front of greenscreens the whole time.
@@TheSuperappelflap agreed on this, got in after five pints on Friday night to watch it and scored it 3.5/10. It isn’t apocalyptically dreadful. But it is essentially utter trash and I’m still open to anyone explaining how the Galadriel they’ve fabricated for this show is meant to be inspirational, likeable or relatable in any way…?
Guy-Ladriel. All the power of SuperMAN, all the compassion of Thanos, all the toxic masculinity of Citizen Kane, and all the emotion of Mr. Spock. Nothing even remotely feminine, likeable, or interesting about this one-dimensional Mary Sue. Yep, that's the Galadriel we all know and love.
"All the power of SuperMAN, all the compassion of Thanos, all the toxic masculinity of Citizen Kane, and all the emotion of Mr. Spock." LMFAO. Well said.
Have you noticed something interesting? When Hollywood shows us a "strong woman" she has all the characteristics described as "toxic" in men. Extreme aggression, violence, lust for power, ruthlessness, sexual entitlement, blatant sexism. All the things they say men should not display. Its almost as if......the women behind these movies are secretly jealous of men and wish to BECOME men through fantasy. Its almost like watching a mary sue fanfiction story written by a loser imagining herself in the position of the cool fighter guy. And because it is written by a loser the behaviour of the protagonist is an exaggerated caricature of what a real cool guy is like.
men and women have their own weaknesses... the thing is to bring a balance ... one should complement the other... this is not a competition... uwu life is not a competition ...
Do not worry, once they delete all the negative reviews from Imdb and Tomatoes, everything will be well and people will see the depth of the show. Yes. It will be glorious. I'm sure.
To add to your casting / age comments: I found it off-putting that there is zero acknowledgment of the relation between key Noldor characters. Galadriel is a generation older than Gil-galad and Celebrimbor, yet she looks to be in her 20s, while they appear middle-aged. She is portrayed as a peer to Elrond, who is 3 generations younger, and would likely view her with reverence as a matriarch of the line of Finarfin. And they are all cousins, to varying degrees of separation, yet there is no familiarity or kinship portrayed between them. Seems like they needlessly discarded the richness of these character interactions just so that they could give Galadriel some kind of underdog story. And one last thing - I guess Celeborn was just tossed away? You know, Galadriel's husband? I am pretty sure they married at the end of the First Age.
Husband is baggage, can't have a strong woman reliant on a man in any kind of way these days. Missed opportunity for free drama though, instead of Gil-Galad stupidly just deciding he doesn't want to fight a known evil it could have been Celeborn holding her back since as her husband he has a vested interest in her not being hurt.
To to show how messed up the time line is. Galadriel and Celeborn's daughter Celebrian was born in the second age 300. No sign of either of them. Elrond's brother Elros is still king of Numenor at this point and will be for another 142 years. However Ar-Pharazôn seems to be the king of Numenor is the series. He's the 25th king and crowned in the year SA3255, almost 3,000 years later. Given that Galadriel was born in the Year of Trees 1362, Celebrian is already older than her mother was when she was born during the show's setting and yet Galadriel still acts like a child. A random extra :Elrond was already in love with Celebrian by the year SA1701
And honestly, even as a fan of the lore, I would be fine with many of these details being altered or omitted in the show... if there was a good reason for it. But cutting out all that rich history for no purpose is either laziness or vanity. Probably both.
@@Rogue_4 Yeah I'd be ok with alterations to make it fit like they did in the trilogy. But like you say (vanity or laziness) it comes across as if either they haven't read any of it or they think they can do better.
Lets sum it up: lore: shat on good writing: still to be found good cinematographie: debatale at best budget: huge but seems to have disappeared into the pockets of unrelated people. They wanted to launder money and make some new one while they're at it.
12:18 Actually, no. The Harfoots were one of the three groups of people that made up the Halflings. They were named thus by the ancestors of the Rohirrim, who found them, because of their size. Part of the Halflings migrated west in three groups, one of them being the Harfoots, while some of them stayed behind in the Vales of Anduin - Sméagol being a descendant of them. The ones travelling westwards eventually settled in the region later known as the Shire, and those were then known as Hobbits. That term isn't used anywhere else, which is why neither Gollum nor Treebeard (who is ancient!) know it. All Hobbits are Halflings, but not all Halflings are Hobbits.
I would be perfectly ready for a new story set in Middle-Earth. But it would have to be small in scale, with unknown characters, who weren't going to determine the fate of the universe. An epic saga that explains the origins of the most powerful beings in Lord of the Rings was just bound to fail.
I wouldn't have a problem with a series on the Silmarillion. But I agree, if you want to tell your own stories in the second age with a diverse cast, then do so. Like for example how Sauron corrupted the Easterlings and Southerlings. Make them less of a stereotype than they were in the books.
It wasn't bound to fail just because it was an epic saga, by that reasoning lotr should've failed too. No, the rings of power failed because of the people who made it, because it was made by people who have it contempt or at least not much respect for the source material.
a story about a small town stucked in a land where sauron sent through his army against Gondor. The show is about to escape/sabotage/survive. Small scale. Unimportant event. Still would be great. Plenty of room for action, drama, feminism whatever. They don’t mess up with the lore and not enrage the fandom.
Some time ago, when trailer came out, I tried to explain all this elven biology and origins to someone on FB who was saying it needs to reflect real world demographic. How it ended? Well, of course with: "Its a fiction, do not bring real world evolution into it!" And I am like, seriously man?
I hate that argument. You know what you're right! So it is fantasy! Episode three galadriel shouts "it's morbin time!" And turns into morbius from the greatest movie ever and flies around shooting lasers from her eyes then after she turns sauron into a MLP figure and stuffs him into a jar says "this is my swamp now!" And the credits roll
Tell this person, if black people want to be in fantasy, they need to get off their butts and write their own. LotR is NOT about Black people or some mix of people, it a fantasy based on the myths of the people of the British Isles and Ireland.
Possible argument for that is to ask why, if it reflects the real world, there aren't any east Asians in it, since China alone makes up something like almost a fifth of the planet. Or why despite having a large amount of Latinos both in and below the US (In Mexico and Central and South America), there is one Latino who they're styling as black (Ismael Cruz Cordova, the "black elf"). Or there's just "Why does it need to reflect the real world? Wakanda Forever doesn't." lol.
I just can't get over that they want Galadriel to be a Warrior Princess, yet they make her incredibly stupid. She was hunting down a being that is practically godlike with NINE elves who couldn't handle ONE Troll. WTF was their plan for her after finding him?
@Todd Taylor She was going to demand to see his manager. And, since Morgoth is off floating in the void, that means Sauron would have to get lost in space trying to find him.
Also it doesn’t make sense since it took nine people, one almost dying to take out a centuries old cave troll in Moria.
We've not seen what she's seen...
we've also seen how it took all of Galadriel's power. Nenya. AND The Star of Eärendil to push Sauron back at his WEAKEST. and she was brought to her knees after that. how in the fuck she's supposed to go up against him at full strength is beyond me. especially when Gil-Galad AND Elendil couldn't beat him TOGETHER.
die? or suddenly pull out a god-killing weapon from her arse that she had since her entire journey and realized it only works for her the"chosen one"
*"Why didn't they write their own story?"*
_“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made”_ ― JRR Tolkien
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
so true
@James Cheddar Funny you say that since Tolkien got much of his education from the Bible as a devout Catholic.
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If Galadriel is that angry that her elder brother is dead, imagine how pissed off she's going to be when she remembers that her other two elder brothers are also dead.
Is she married in this.. Probably not right?
@@oldmanwinter3597 not yet if it's planned anyways.
@@oldmanwinter3597 well considering in the Lore she married Celeborn during the First Age. and this show is set in the Second Age. no i don't think they will
@@oldmanwinter3597 Since they're setting her up for a romantic fling with fucking Sauron, no.
@@oldmanwinter3597 Actually Galadriel is Elrond's Mother in Law.
Thank you. I'm a black guy as well, and was getting so tired of being called racist, when I pointed out that the Harfoots shouldn't be multi-ethnic as a nomadic Isolationist tribe. It meant the writers literally went with agenda over world logic or story logic.
Well said my friend.
That's exactly it. It doesn't use race as it's reflected in the world. It uses race like it's a giant Los Angeles.
Exactly. Native American here and I pointed out the same stuff, same result.
@@redshed2020 The circle-jerking necessary to put modern-day tropes above *actually* representing, and dare I say respecting non-Global-cosmpolitian culture. You can't respect a small grotto village in the middle of Naples, Italy if you're uncomfortable with it being 99.9% old Italian people. You can't respect an 18th century Japanese saga if you are uncomfortable with it being 99.9% Japanese people. The people defending putting random Black people in The Witcher, a story celebrating Polish culture, what White Man were they trying to stick it to?! They are POLES! Pick a century, I guarantee to you that they were oppressed, discriminated against, and taken advantage of by the stronger kingdoms around them.
These people have no real respect for disenfranchised cultures if they won't let them have the political right to be themselves, without mainstream culture appropriating from them as costumes.
I don't remember the exact quote, but I remember Tolkien saying of Galadriel something like "She could read peoples' hearts, but she judged them with mercy." She could literally read minds, but she still judged with mercy. She didn't condemn Boromir, even when she knew he would try to take the ring. How could this vicious, self-centered Karen who cares nothing for her troops even be called Galadriel? She's the anti-Galadriel.
Boromir DID try to take the ring, but he also DID regret doing so.
So I think Galadriel was right in her assessment of him. That ultimately, he was a good man!
She's more of an Empath than a Telepath.
She has a ring of power at that time which gives her those gifts. You're welcomr
Probably its a parallel universe where Galadriel later takes the ring from frodo when offered!!!! It's the only way to make sense...
@@GO-jh9gn Galadriel's power did not solely come from Nenya. Elves could work magic before the rings were forged.
Do not hate this show, do not dwell on it, do not allow it even the smallest of thought. Treat it with Apathy and let it get what it deserves, not even a corpse for the worms and carrion birds of business to feast upon. Let it die, no, let it meet a fate worse than death and fade into forgotten memory. It doesn't deserve hate because that would mean holding some form of _passion_ for this atrocity, I dare not feel any hint of any form of passion for this _thing_ of Corruption.
Very Tolkien-esk.
Beautifully said. The opposite of love is not hate, it's apathy.
We may try to be apathetic towards it. But there will be those that will have passionate hate for it. Or worse, passionately positive about watching a mockery of Tolkien's mythology, and devoted to defending it to their last breaths. Amazon doesn't need us, they only need a few people and that's all it takes. Their plan is clearly working
please go outside man
@@mukaburrah292 how bout him ☝️
Can we hate him
When Lindsey Weber said, "It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien's work would reflect what the world actually looks like," I knew this show was gonna be a trashfire of epic proportions
Well, that's how they view the world. A trashfire of epic proportions, instead of a huge and nuanced world with fires here and there and light and peace in other places.
It’s so sad that they don’t realize that’s the entire point - that this *isnt* the real world because it’s FANTASY.
@@willparker8498 you think the whole show is trash because of hobbits? Okay, that’s fine. Just don’t watch any show every made.
I see a common trend among those that dislike the show. They all are full of shit. For one, the only thing said was not the story, not the cinematography,
but “Ooh NOo blAck DwArf” and crap about woke. Which was 10 minutes of the show at the most.
I dislike woke, but I also dislike those that tear down everything around them just because of how nit picky they are. They aren’t able to find one good thing in it.
@@Zhisaoka no its called sticking to the lore and actually respecting the whole point of the story! Which Amazon has clearly made a point to not do because yes everyone running it is of a woke nature or just wants to get paid either way. They had all the material needed to make a great show that everyone desired but because of personal beliefs and politics they felt they would make more money which is the same as spitting in the face of everyone who actually cared about it. It's a matter of respect and principles! Which they clearly don't have! Bet you never even read all the books that have to do with the Tolkien universe so get to stepping.
I knew this was going to be trash since the moment they announced the premier of this show would be on the DATE OF THE DEATH of Tolkien. What more would we need ?
"You took one of the most kind, powerful and beloved characters from the Lord of the Rings and made her unrecognizable, unlikable and selfish". Out of all criticisms about Galadriel, this line right here is the most accurate, in my opinion. I couldn't have said it better myself. It's truly sad how they've managed to corrupt the mythos, just by this change alone.
You don’t like Galadriel in the show?
@@reek4062 nobody likes her
@@reek4062 If you do, you need therapy.
I hate how they had to make her all warrior like and manish in an attempt to make her powerful. the thing I loved about the movie and book her is that she's feminine AND powerful...she doesn't need to be all "I'm a warrior, so me strong😤" she was powerful and she knew it and it showed!!!
Elven children beating each other up in Valinor?! When Feanor drew his sword against another elf - just drew it- he was banished wasn't he? Valinor is a kind of heaven. Everyone lived in harmony untill Feanor came along. The children would not be bullying each other and definitely wouldn't be beating each other up!
Granted, drawing a sword is a bit more than fists, but still, yes. Everyone was happy, except for Fëanor, the only elf so far to have lost a mother.
Best message is to give 1 on imdb.
And even without that, beating someone up over a paper boat? Really?
Wasn't there a massacre because Feanor demanded boats from the shore elves and they denied him, but since he had better weapons they slaughtered everyone?
ya but women are oppressed even in Valinor brah...don't ya know?
coming from a royal line is really oppressive and hard
Just a friendly reminder: Amazon shopped around, hiring and firing Tolkien scholars until they found one willing to sign off on this discount Witcher fanfic. That's a level of dedication to getting it wrong that honestly deserves commendation.
Tolkien scholars 😂Man it sucks to be either a lore nerd or a person who hates people of color, because these people are the only ones too mad to enjoy this beatifully written, paced, shot and acted show.
@@devon5807 Praying for all the people unable to enjoy good tv/cinema 🙏
@@FatRussianGamer Next time, go meddle with your own thing, "Non-Nerd". Let people who can actually read make the arguments.
@@FatRussianGamer You have an iq of about 45, probably bc where u came from
I'm new to LOTR lore, and i dont care that some of the characters are black. I just watched it as a show... and its still a steaming pile of shit.
Having the elves who lived in harmony with nature carve up living trees with whom they could speak and had fellowship to create homages to their dead is the very antithesis of JRR Tolkien's works.
That’s so true, something was off about that whole scene, thank you for putting what I felt into words.
Yeah, AT LEAST the hobbit trilogy got that right, with the elf kind in it having a throne built UPON some roots, not carved in them, also their entire kingdom was built around the trees, not using them
@@michelecastellotti9172 The Elves here come off a little too petty as well - as in too human - like they seem to talk like everything has a hidden meaning or they have to have an emotional response to rejection or have to show disapproval. Its very disjointing when Elves are usually considered distant, ethereal and stoic.
@@rubix4195 well, we had the ones that commited the kinslaying and the noldor elves, also legolas father turning his back on torin, but there were deeper meanings behind this, it wasn't a petty:"uuuh, you meanie, i must kick your ass now!", fucking hell
@@rubix4195 I don't really have a problem necessarily with "human-like" elves because plenty of the stories in Tolkien's works portrayed Elves as being just as flawed as humans can be. Not as frequently, but even Galadriel was said to have been supremely arrogant, wanting to rule over her own kingdom and full of pride. It's among the reasons she was banned from Valinor. Certainly, the elves like to think of themselves as above it all, but that hasn't always been true. That said, I do take issue with the elves in other, more explicitly lore breaking ways such as them carving the visages of their dead into trees.
According to Tolkien, Galadriel was in Valinor learning lore and getting really wise, but according to Bezos, she was being bullied by elf kids, LMAO. Also, Elves in the books do not have long childhoods, they mature pretty quickly and are not prone to feelings of bullying, fighting etc like normal kids. But can't expect the writers to know that.
She got wise in Doriath under Melian’s guidance.
Given the low elf birth rate (since the elves never filled middle earth edge to edge three deep) likely Galadriel as a child never met another child.
She had brothers and cousins, but there's no way to know how much time passed between their births or how old any of them are, just the relative ages of each sibling group. It doesn't feel likely or right to me that elf women would have all their children in the space of a few years and then just not have any more. @@christophersmith8316
Legit was looking more forward to this than the show itself. Which I will not watch as a lifetime Tolkien fan
Smart choice
Haven't we all? If current day shows were good, we'd be watching them. Since they're terrible, we're entertained by youtubers. Either way- the audience wins
Ever played the Elder scrolls
I'm only watching it because I can watch it for free^^ and I'm apparently a big masochist^^
I commented in another video that the two creators (J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay) have no previous experience in film. Other than Patrick McKay having a minor writing gig on Star Trek Beyond (which wasn't even credited in the movie according to IMDb - to show how minor a writing gig it was) they two had nothing. It is almost like Amazon approached two people on the street and asked them if they would like an opportunity to spend $1 billion making a TV series on Tolkien's work.
There is no indication these two knew of Tolkien, had read Tolkien, or even liked Tolkien. It is like this project started as a three page synopsis of this literary classic and these two went to town creating their own story and stayed within the confines of that three page synopsis and ignored everything else.
I wouldn't even label this as fan fiction. Because that assumes the writers are fans to begin with, which in all honesty I doubt. This was just a paying gig with an obscene amount of money which gave them way to much creative liberty with an IP that would give even an experienced Producer time to pause and reflect how to proceed because you know it is going to end badly if you do it poorly.
To be fair, Amazon's promotional material on these two indicate a larger history in Hollywood than what IMDb gives them credit for. It claims that these two have been pretty much glued to the hip for 25 years working together and besides working with JJ Abrams, Bad Robot to do the Star Trek Beyond also wrote Disney's Jungle Cruise.
I bring up both of these works because both should have raised alarms. It is well publicized that the deal between Bad Robot and WB has soured and WB wants out. Not that I can blame them as JJ Abrams doesn't appear to hold up his end on the deal with much content for WB. The one work that Abrams seems to be putting all his energy into "Deminonde" appears to be too costly for WB to continue to support and the project is likely to be shelved before it is even completed. But the one writing gig these two did for Abrams, Star Trek Beyond under performed. It barely broke even in the US box office with production costs and what revenue was generated internationally mostly stayed in those countries or had to cover advertisement expenses. In short the movie flopped. Badly.
And that leaves us to Jungle Cruise. A movie that might as well be call Pirates of the Amazon River because the plot mirrors the main storyline of two of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. One being the idea of undead pirates/conquistadors, the other being the idea of immortality. In Pirates it was the Fountain of Youth. In Jungle Cruise it was the Tree of Live. But my point is that script should have shown Amazon that these two (Payne and McKay) were devoid of their own ideas. Instead of coming up with some other reason to travel up the Amazon River, they literally stole ideas from one of Disney's own franchises. Further, as if history was destined to repeat itself, Jungle Cruise didn't just under perform in the box office, it didn't even break even.
So why anybody at Amazon thought Payne and McKay could do Tolkien's work justice is beyond me. This was a train wreck waiting to happen. And the wreck did happen.
I have no idea if the management at Amazon who likely got a sneak pre-screening of the series thought it was an abomination or if they had never read Tolkien's work and assumed it had just the right "woke" to give Marvel's MCU a run for its money in that regard. But if somebody on that board had read Tolkien's work I'm sure he/she probably leaned back in the their chair and thought, "somebody is getting fired over this. Heads are going to roll when the fans get a hold of it".
We see now Amazon's response. The fans hate it. And with good reason. JSG is not the only fan on TH-cam who has address how badly this series failed at interpreting Tolkien's work. I looked at Rotten Tomatoes right before I typed this response. Fan approval was at 38%. Earlier today it was hovering between 35 - 36%. A two percent raise indicates RT is skewering the numbers by removing negative reviews, but this site has been known for this behavior for quite some time so there really is no surprises there. The slow tick upward just indicates that they are just staying a little ahead of the people posting more bad reviews.
I still can't believe they actually did the "boys bully little girl to make her stronger" cliche
Not to mention it simply felt off for the race of Elves in general. Even if they are elven children, I would imagine them being much more above than simple bullying. The way I would imagine childhood of elven children, especially the ones born in Valinor, is that they would spend their early days venturing into every corner of the woods, interacting with other maiar and valar to hear the stories of the old, and taking their naps or singing under the light of the two trees. (Damn, even when I type these things, I felt like my imagination is too shallow and Tolkien would have come up with something way more beautiful)
stones look down, boats look up. Oscar winning script writing right there too eh?
The sinking of the paper ship scene is a callback to the Kinslaying. Unfortunately, a lot of what the showrunners created will go over your head, and many others like you.
@@jesseeli5295 Except... There was no Kingslaying in this timeline. Did you even watch the video??
@@Halfort57 ? there was a kinslaying in the timeline of the events in the prologue. did you?
They did Finrod (Galadriel's brother) real dirty. He was a very, very important character in Tolkien's works. He was the first elf to befriend humans. You know the ring Aragorn wears? Finrod is the guy who gave it to Aragorn's ancestor, Barahir. He was essentially the first bridge between elves and humans. By saving Beren (the ancestor of countless key characters including Aragorn, Elrond and the entire Numenorian race) he made it possible for Morgoth, and by extension, Sauron, to be defeated. He was the first elf to be brought back from the dead as a reward for the great things he accomplished.
Now he's literally just a plot mechanism ("i Kn0w Sauwon is still out dewe and I have to f1nD hIm DURRR") there for the single purpose of allowing Galadriel to do things that, well, she never did . . . Utterly ridiculous.
Edit: They actually could have made a decent show just from the appendixes- it just would have had to have been about Elendil, Isildur and Anarion, and I think that would've been pretty damn cool. They didn't have the rights to the Silmarillion, and they couldn't reference anything that wasn't mentioned in LOTR and its appendixes SO WHY? Why did they make this dumpster fire? It's so awful.
They wanted their own GoT and wheel of time flopped. So, this happened.
They did all the characters dirty.
I don't know why they are ignoring that story. I loved it, still do. the courage of the elves who kept their oaths, including Finrod, is beautiful to behold. At first I wondered if they might tell that story. I'd walk over broken glass to see a well done version of that story as movie or TV.
Right and now gilgalad is stupid and believes Sauron is going and Elrond isn’t worried about him either. Even though they were the most vigilant and turned Sauron away as annatar. Galadriel was skeptical but not to the extent of Elrond. I mean Galadriel is bad ass but she’s bad ass in her own right and they’re trying to make her badass in the right of Elrond and gilgalad. How much you want to bet if it makes it to the end that Galadriel will be the one responsible for giving isidore the opportunity to cut the ring of Sauron instead of gilgalad and his father. And she’ll probably scream for them to destroy the right while Elrond stops her.
What they did to Galariel and FInrod's characters was disgraceful...not t mention the rest of the portrayal of Tolkien's vision.
It began with the forging of the great films. Threads were given by Tolkien, wisest and fairest of them all. Rights were then given to Jackson; great miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore. And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men, who above all else, desired quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a master flop. And into this show he poured his malice, his greed and his will to dominate all film. One show to ruin them all
Edit: stole this from Alexander Mandelin
Fans: Bezos! Destroy it! Cast the script into the fire!
Bezos *smiling evilly and putting horrible script in his briefcase*: No.
Fans: BEZOOOOSSS!!!!
If it wasn't so grimly true I would be laughing.
This shit is so funnnnnnnny goddamit 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that is just so cool
One by one, LOTR fan channels fell to the power of Lord Bezos. But there were some who resisted!
That was fucking spectacular
I’m not surprised.
This is Disney’s Star Wars but on a larger scale.
Also, other film studio executive boards are watching the reactions to this.
Send them to a message by not hate watching this for one second.
Yep. Can't agree more.
@@TheMediaStriker I tend to make good points when half asleep
Disney star wars didn't look cheap
Agree. I hope the reviews show other studios that this garbage isn't wanted from the fans. The fans want a fantasy story not a story about gender politics.
But speaking of Star Wars it's really interesting and surprising how other studios haven't learned anything from Rey in Star Wars. I mean the backlash Rey got from fans in being super duper uber at everything she did and now they make Galadriel exact the same.
I dare say that we all need to take it a step further;
The Hobbit and Lord of the rings movies are streaming on Amazon Prime.
Give your views to those, but deny the creators of the series.
I think that will send a more obvious message.
Eowyn takes off her helmet and says "I am no man" and proceeds to kill the Witch King. Her character developed over 2 movies, we followed her struggle, and learn her strengths and limitations. It made her and this scene feel so much more impactful.
Galadriel on the other hand goes from young bullied elf (what?) to ice climbing, troll slaying, Sauron hunting unstoppable superbeing in a matter of minutes.
Eowyn struggled, fought and overcame problems. Galadriel just uses cheats.
And even all of that , she almost died from her wounds. This Galadriel let 7 of her soldiers died bedore owning the troll like it was a puppy... Lmao
That Eowyn scene was always a bit silly, and in German it just doesn't really make sense.
Eowyn never fought to prove she was as good as a man, she fought to prove she has a right to fight for those she loves, eowyn written by Tolkien is how strong female characters should be written
Omg its two episodes inn, with about 30 min in total with galadriel, what the problem with her being ice climbing, troll slaying sauron hunting etc, there are a handfull of characters being overpowered, while still being interesting. Having a lot of power does not equal bad character writing…
@@klumpersuper basically: yes, it is. That's what we call a Mary Sue.
"One does not simply buy the rights to the Lord of the rings" "Its great lore is guarded by more than just scholars. There is obsession there that does not sleep. The great fan is ever watchful." 📖
From what I've seen, Amazon paid $250 million for the right to put "The Lord of the Rings" above the title to a story that _isn't_ The Lord of the Rings because it's set a thousand years earlier, before any of the rings have been made and before Sauron (the actual Lord of the Rings) becomes the main bad guy.
Then they took the Tolkien scraps they'd got and started ignoring chunks of them. If they were willing to spend that much for so little why didn't they call me? I'd have found 249 friends and had One Party to Rule Them All.
I guess they just wanted to play some cool kids games in an already established world, but treating it as mere inspiration. Bad move. Visuals don't save a weak storyline and the destruction of the lore.
Best message is to give 1 on imdb.
@@mutlu8655 They'll delete it.
@@DavidTMSN better than doing nothing
I refuse to even hate watch this show.
You will get my view as i wholeheartedly see that you know the lore, and i have trust in your dedication to the lore.
Not watching is the best thing i can do to honor the original works
yes yes yes do not give them traffic. I am not even intrigued to watch the mess.
This turd of a show inspired me to re-read the Silmarillion as a form of protest.
I'll do the same, decision was Made when i realized how they depict Elves as weak and stupid..........and as i saw elronds haircut.....
@@richardnick2216 I would say that same thing but I think I read ten times. lol This show is so bastardized that I can't watch another second of it.
Just pirate it
Dude, legitimately if all you ever do in life is defend Tolkien's work, it is a life worth spent. You have honest, natural knowledge about it. It's needed. Thank you.
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Indeed.
Doing God’s work
My old gaffer said “if you can’t say something nice, STFU”. Well, the scenery was nice…
Ditto!
If that's the best you get out of life, I pity you.
So obviously (and quite rightly) everyone with any integrity has been shitting on this from a great height, but nobody (with very few exceptions) can bring a deep love of the source material like you do.
I both appreciate your insights and feel your pain, and I hope (in vain) that it will all be over soon.
I do not think we will get a second season when even mainstream media trash it. But the worst beating came from the piblication knowing the show best entertainment weekly absolutely annihalated it. So since it is a vanity project I think it came crashing down after the first two episodes.
Best message is to give 1 on imdb.
Finrod killed a werewolf with his bare hands, that's how he died. By god how cool would it have been to see that?
It would have been really cool, but some things Amazon didn't have the rights to portray.
@@jesseeli5295 thats still not a reason to change the story
no male elf or man can be cooler than Galadriel, thanks to this idiots
Oh, I would have liked to see that!
@@jesseeli5295 could Amazon really not have bought the rights to the Silmarillion?
It's not like they don't have the money
"You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something brilliant and before you even knew what you had you patented it, you packaged it, and now (bam) you're selling it (bam) you're selling it. You were so focused on whether or not you could that you never to stopped to think about whether or not you should."
I just can't believe what they've done to the elves. Like people find fault with the PJ trilogy but dam he got elves right. They felt actually ethereal and that single scene in the fellowship with Galadriel and Frodo is one of the most amazing scenes and shows elves for what they are. They should be angelic spirits walking the earth. They should shine with a light. In ROP they feel like humans with pointy ears. Tolkien seems to make it quite clear that you can tell an elf and a human apart. While elves might not all have been long haired. I feel that beautiful long hair makes sure they're separate from humans. They should be the most beautiful being you've ever seen.
elves in pj trilogy felt thousands of years old meanwhile rop elves feel like highschoolers at best
That's how they're described in the books, beautiful with long hair
Jackson had the easier job because the elves were not in the those movies very much of the time. Still, that's no excuse for ROP not to do more to make them look ethereal. I think it was beyond their capabilities.
I still cant get over the elven children bullying Galadriel. Thats just not in the nature of elves of Valinor specially in the Years of the Trees. They are literally bathing in divine light. How the hell can they be portrayed as cruel for absolutely no reason.
@@jagatech9345 Lack of actual knowledge of the lore by the writers is the only reasonable explanation. Like most modern "woke" content the creators just didn't care that much beyond the paycheck and following corporate diversity directives and it clearly shows...
The butchery of Finrod is absolutely unforgivable.
@Aung Ramen I would of liked that
It felt like that he was interduced as her brother and oh no he dead now so I felt no connection at whole for the whole like 5 minutes he was alive
@@captaingalaxy5265 I like how no one has blamed the estate for not giving the full rights to the silmarillion. They can only hint at first age plot points because of how the Tolkien estate dealt the rights, they won’t receive any criticism though.
@@JPISME91 I think the Tolkien Estate - without Christopher - don't have the same stewardship for the lore and the canon provided the cheques rolling in.
Nott a full pass for Amazon but Sauron was responsible for his death..so it was just a simplified version of what happened, and a very bad one at that.
@@JPISME91 people don't blame tolkien estate for this because it was clear what amazon was allowed to use and what not. Amazon decided to still to it / make the show like this so they are to blame
The fact that Tolkien's life's work, an anti-corporate industrialism recreation of legend, written by a professor of linguistics, that will speak to all ages forever, in the same way that Homer does, will now be repeatedly desecrated by the exact example of the vileness the story was written against, over and over for another 50 more hours for likely the next decade, is truly terrifying. The dark one has finally gathered enough power to corrupt Middle-earth
Remember that not even the strongest of the ainur, vala Melkor, could not defy Eru Ilúvatar's theme, as the theme is all-encompassing and will integrate it for its benefit.
Speaking of Homer: Think how many bad adaptations, movies and TV shows, did not "stick to the lore" as portrayed by Homer. Have the Iliad and the Odyssey suffered or been "destroyed" by poor adaptations and bad copies?
@@pavelvishnevsky6315 why are you quoting me as saying "destroyed" i said "desecrated". Is that a translation thing? Troy was fairly terrible as well but not this bad. Neither will be "destroyed" trust me. This dog shit will be forgotten quick dont worry. Tolkien will endure this I have no doubt. None-the-less I will certainly fight for Tolkien not Besos the current holder of this terrible Ring of Power no matter what. This shit needs to be canceled in the truest sense.
The story wasn't written against. Y'all really think you understand "Tolkien" when he's from a different time and he was against industralization in general. We were fucking born into it, he saw it change and shape his home. don't even think this compares to what Tolkien was writing about and if you do you really don't understand any of it.
If Tolkien were alive in this era he would deffo move to the big screen himself and cash a paycheck, it'd just be more accurate to lore, also keep in mind they didn't acquire ALL the rights, what they can use when it comes to Tolkienverse is LIMITED
@@pavelvishnevsky6315 They have suffered indeed. For many people the arbitrary changes of these adaptations are now more well know than the original, this in turn has made popular a whole bunch of miscomseption about Greek and Mediterranean cultures.
I think what bothers me the most is the callous calculation done by Amazon. The writers they hired wanted to show us their fantasy, but nobody would watch that. Nobody would care. Instead, they crawled inside the body of an established and well-loved work, one with a far-reaching fanbase, in order to make use of the name and likeness of Tolkien's work.
What they've done is create a cinematic zombie. It looks like Tolkien's works in some respect, but it definitely can't claim to be that anymore. Like a zombie, it is a stilted and shambling creation, a mockery of what once made it vibrant, and it seeks to feast on our brains.
More like Frankenstein's monster, spliced together from various parts and with quite a few unrelated ones introduced.
Tolkien's work is timeless! Placing modern nihilistic politics, gender identity and all these ideology is precisely to put an end to this timelessness. This has to be a flop.
Precisely! Tolkien was a traditionalist story teller, not a modernist, and certainly not a postmodernist. Infusing his work with incompatible philosophical elements and approaches to story telling is not adaptation but transformation.
It WILL
We got front row Sea s to the desperate cover-up!
XD
(preface: not a Tolkien reader, just a casual viewer looking for something to watch on a Saturday evening)
Haven't caught any of these elements while watching the first two episodes. The only issue I have right now is with Arondir- the actor's quite stale. I'm liking Galadriel, and the idea of hunting down the remnant elements of evil, to a fault- I think her negative attributes are intentional now, and she'll eventually come to learn from that.
Flop? You all talking about it 24/7. It's gonna be big af. Like it or not.
Do you have an example of any of these themes being in the show itself?
The part they left out I missed most, was when Galadriel declines her acceptance into the Vulcan Science Academy, based on her taunting and discrimination she had faced as a child, on account of her human mother....
Vulcan Science Academy should be more inclusive of BIPOC trans Vulcans.
It s a shame that a fantasy driven story is more compatiple to a scifi universe.
🤣🤣🤣
“So Strong Woman meets with Elrond, and they seem to be smitten with each other.”
Aaaaand I just recoiled so hard, my grandkids *and* my ancestors felt it…
Lmao Galadriel snaking her own future son in law😂😂
It’s vagina !!
Let me remind that Galadriel is mother of Elrond's future wife...
@Alex Green
There's a picture from the og LOTR trilogy showing Cate Blanchette (Galadriel) and Liv Tyler (Arwen) in Lothlorien. Maybe part of the deleted scenes. I just learned recently that there's a deleted scene of Arwen and Aragorn's first meeting. I need that extended extended cut. 😂
I get a lot of people are not thrilled with this but it’s only been 2 episodes, giving it some time might not be the worst.
(3rd episode came out and my hope is lost.)
"Why didn't they write their own story?" They don't want to write their own. They want to destroy our stories. That's the goal.
No one would watch a modern-day "original" woke-penned, epic-fantasy in the kind of numbers they'd need to justify its making.... and they KNOW it. That's why they're desperately trying to get viewer-traction from the established Tolkien brand. They basically want unearned traction and interest to which they can "overlay" what they really want to present. Then, when this bombs because of its utter transparency before an intelligent audience....they then want to blame that audience for rejecting what they've produced....when in truth....nobody really, at any time WANTED the kind of crud they were intent on producing, which...with or without the "Tolkien" branding, was always going to be predictably poor and uninspiring.
Sadly the majority of the fans dont read anything, books included. I can bet my ass there is an army of idiots liking the show just so they can belong to current trending corporate shit.
That is the reality of fanbases. They dont like anything - they just want to be accepted.
no one destroyed any stories. Try again crybaby
Absolutely agree.
If the Amazon writers could write as well as Tolkien they would do it and write their own books and become worth multi millions.
Honestly the bullying scene with elf kids just rubs me the wrong way because it's just not thematically elvish. Elves are immortal, creatures that persist, who came from undying lands. They would not be quick to destroy. They wouldn't just sink Galadriel's paper boat on a whim, even as kids.
My first idea was to do something like what Jarjar Abrams did on the first Star Trek movie he did, where he portrayed the Vulcans bullying kid Spock by making fun of his parentage and making him feel small. Galadriel should have made something beautiful, like a paper swan, only to have other kids redesign it, and then make her feel small as they say they have improved on what she had made crudely. Her mother could then teach her to understand that everyone sees beauty differently, but at the same time Galadriel could defend herself and say that they had no right to pervert her original design. This could then broach mythology and make them consider why Iluvatar made the Elves to begin with, or other creations of Iluvatar. This could then be thematically called back to later on as Morgoth and Sauron twist Elves into Orcs. They could have done something thematic, and instead they made Elves no different than Men. Because they have zero creativity or respect.
It felt like a scene from a Victorian to Interwar period piece about gentry or middle-class kids.
This was a fantastic comparison analysis. Well done!
"...Galadriel could defend herself and say that they had no right to pervert her original design. This could then broach mythology..."
On one hand, you're absolutely right.
On the other hand, that could never happen, because the whole thing exists specifically as a function of Saruman the Bald and SJW writers in general not understanding that, or not caring.
Writing is dead.
I am kinda tired of the bullying trope It's never the kid with friends the one who saves the world, is neither the capable and admired but lonely kid who keep on that line, is neither the kid with rage the one who needs help and support (except for Zuko from ATLA). And somehow, the bullied the most beautiful, nice, charismatic, stroger and talented kid. Yep, totally accurate.
Bullied kids deserve support and hope, of course they need it, but they are not the only ones who can change themselves and the society or the only ones who need help. This trope only has encouraged people to look to being a victim and enjoy their own suffering.
Finally a review calling out all of the broken lore in depth by a real Tolkien fan.
Give everyone a few days... JSG does well, as always, and there are others with decent knowledge such as Council of the Rings, European Lore. Disparu does as well, but can be a bit loud. Tolkien Untangled and The One Ring should be along in due course.
@@dw620 He does well unless he is reviewing the Punisher. Had to make a response video to that, as his understanding of the Punisher was as bad or worse as these people's understanding of Tolkein.
@@V-RADIO Well, hello! Good to see you here... ; )
Yes, to clarify, I was definitely meaning reviews about TOLKIEN, thanks!
@@dw620 Disparu admits he's not a lore guy. He just happens to know more than Amazon haha
Men of the West, who I enjoy for his work on explaining the "lore", have an honest review although he was also trying to be a bit nice because that's his nature.
So let me get this straight, the vision Gladriel had in the lord of the rings when she was about to take the ring and becomes this great queen more terrible than the stars, dressed in warrior armor. This is the character that they chose to run with in rings of power? Curious!
Yes but I thought that that was part of the visions that had not yet come to pass. So that character never existed as she passed the test and remain Galadriel’s she had always been a wise and gentle but strong elf
well no because even this great queen would have "all would love me and dispair!". Nobody loves ROP Galadriel
I like the part when Galadriel said "I'm strong and independent woman and don't need no man", that was compelling and powerful it gives me goosebumps.
Then she went it's women time and beat everyone.
At what time please ?
@@fiole666 its a joke
Amazon could have made an original fantasy story, used the money saved from the licensing costs to get better writers, and even if it turned out to be the same level of trash they at least wouldn't have made lifelong enemies of the Tolkien fanbase. Do a proper adaptation of Tolkien or don't do it at all.
I think most people still order their stuff from Amazon.
$250m for better writers?
Can you imagine.
OG Galadriel: possesed actual flaws that she fought to overcome (eg: lust for power/to rule, arrogance etc) and wielded magic powers to banish
evil/protect rather than charging onto the battlefield
RoP Galadriel: better than everyone else (especially her male counterparts) and uses a sword and elven martial arts
Amazon's character upgrade was actually a downgrade.
They had such a good opportunity to actually write a conflicted Galadriel, wanting to rule her own kingdom, being extremely arrogant due to being the lady of light and having bathed in the light of the 2 trees, and being next of kin to the heroes that defeated morgoth.
A character arc of her traveling around trying to find a good place to settle and build a kingdom, and dealing with humans and other races, mediating conflicts and occasionally using her magic to defend against a dark threat, and eventually realizing that it would be better to join and help maintain an existing kingdom than building her own due to the growing threat.
It would give her inner conflict, a better way to tie her into the larger plot and actually show her prowess as a sorceress and diplomat.
With the way the show is going, she is going to fall to Saurons deceptions, while being one of the only people in middle earth that immediately realized he was planning something nefarious in the background.
Naw, but good try??
@@SS-rr7byDo you mind elaborating on your comment?
@@universe.factory It's been a while since I've read the books but I don't recall the Silmarillion or the Appendices ever mentioning that she was a physical warrior. If I am wrong feel free to correct me and let me know which page or chapter you've read that mentions this.
@@suenzhong7891 Tolkien stated that Amazon translates to Gothwin which means "War Women". So I don't think he was just talking about her stature especially when the only other women he describes as amazonian are real warriors (Haleth the warrior queen, Makar's sister the goddess of war)
Also he states that "... she fought fiercely against Fëanor in defence of her mother’s kin, she did not turn back" in “The Shibboleth of Fëanor”.
In a crisis all elves fight against evil. Even Arondir says in Rings of power he was a grower before the war and not a warrior. It's common for elves to be warriors even if they have a normal "job".
Also this whole fighting with magic doesn't really exist. In war nearly everybody uses Weapons, even the Valar, Sauron, and even Gandalf a wizzard always fights with a sword. The only thing thats kinda similar to magic is the singing they sometimes did in Silmarillion but actual battles were always faught with weapons.
I don't think it's stated clearly that she was a physical warrior but from what we know about the elves and wars in general and with quotes like the above, it's believable that she fought with a sword before the third age.
And to OP's comment about Galadriel being better then anyone else, because she had lived in Valinor with the light of the Trees she is way more powerfull then other elves that didn't live with the valar. She also was trained in a lot of stuff by the Valar so of course she is way stronger then nearly all elves that are left in middle earth.
Some Elves could 1v1 Balrogs and Galadriel is always described that she is somewhat on the same level as these elves were.
Galadriel was a child in Valinor during the Years of the Trees. It was a time of miracles. I have a hard time even thinking that in this time in this world elf children were running around teasing each other. It takes away from what you expect Valinor to be.
The best review I've read so far....
It began with the forging of the great films.Threads were given by Tolkien, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Rights were granted to Jackson, great miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore. And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men, who above all else, desire quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a master flop, And into this show he poured his money, his greed and his will to dominate all film. One show to ruin them all......
Ruin? Nah I doubt it. Ghostbusters 2016 didn't ruin the previous films
Peter Jackson fans pretending to be Tolkien fans make me sick.
@@reek4062 and which are you?
@@reek4062 Peter Jackson’s films were masterpieces
@@georgechapman9688 I'm just an asshole on the internet who likes to bait PJ fans and Star Wars fans
The thing that bothers me the most is that all of these characters from the books are characters anyone can love and relate to. There’s a reason why so many of us love them. To hear this team and actors say that they didn’t love this work prior to going in and being cast is really heartbreaking.
i watched the super fans video and some of them were saying "they loved lotr" ? but also at the same time they said this was their chance to make it possible for people like them to relate? i wonder how can you love something if you didnt relate to it (the earlier work that was more truthful to lore) but also claim if you cant relate you cant love something? honestly these people are just lying.
That's because it seems no-one in the cast even KNOW what Tolkien is (and isn't making any fuss about it), much less respect it. For them, this is a pay job and participation in a premium production on their resume. They don't care one way or the other WHY people are pissed and their interest is only on where the next paying gig is. One cannot blame the actors because it's only a job for them, but one can blame the showrunners and the writers because it's LITERALLY their job to know what they are writing about. :/
@@_whitewizard the super fans was actors, because the script was same in the foreign versions.
@@Garry_Combine I recall they had a guy pissing in the background for the British version of that train wreck.
Given that Christopher Tolkien was unhappy about the devotions Peter Jackson took in his films, I dread to think what he'd make of this show which utterly trashes all of Tolkien's lore in terms of characters and the established story. If he was alive and expressed his disgust and I believe he'd seriously not like and be borderline furious with what they'd done he'd probably be called a bigoted toxic racist despite being the literary executor of his father's works.
man spinning in his grave
Man gonna get a heart attack if he ever did saw this.. My god, this show just lowballed characters who are fcking powerful in the books and in the og trilogy.
So in short, Galadriel is revenge-driven because his brother got killed by Sauron (which is not true).
Back in Valinor, his brother and Mandos are having a drink and laughing about this sht show. 🤣🤣🤣
These people have proven time and time again that they'll gladly insult the dead.
I think he only agreed to sell them the rights to do this because they had contracted with Shipley. Notice they took the first excuse they could to fire Shipley AFTER Christopher Tolkien died. I had always suspected they contracted with Shipley merely to get Christopher Tolkien to agree to them having any kind of license at all and suspect that the initial production delays were intentional, hoping Christopher would die before details leaked.
Tolkien didn't like the Peter Jackson films? So should it get the same praise?
It's incredible that they've made this big and this expensive of a show about Lord of the Rings - and yet, it's not meant for fans of Lord of the Rings. I understand Hollywood is either too scared to imagine, unable to imagine, or a bit of both, which is why they have to reimagine quality stories to suit their own purposes, but this takes the cake and lembas bread.
They need a soul to have imagination so it *unable to imagine* can tell entertainment not made with passion like it once was . it more push a Worldly narrative onto people...
But it is not meant for LotR fans, if it was they wouldn't have change, erased or twisted so much of the lore. This is purely a we want strong woman and diversity in Tolkien's work and will change whatever we want to get there.
@@petis1976 sad they just can't make up something original like the first Alien movie with Ripley or the original Terminator 1 and 2 with Sarah Connors... actually now that I think of it weren't 90% of horror movies females were always the main protagonist ? in Freddy and Jason , Halloween movies ? Dafuq at least those ladies had hard fought battle and survivors... no idea why every sci fi entertainment needs so many Mary Sue characters
HotD has major Black characters. They made Lord Corlys black and it looks good. I think TROP's story is the one that is not that great
Thank you for mentioning the Troll scene!
A literal hunting party for a powerful Maia can't defeat a Troll? It almost felt like they were sent to die at that point.
Don't worry. Galadriel will always save the day.
Sauron is with Gothmog the most powerful of Morgoth's servants(not a good fighter like Gothmog, but he would be able to easily deal with dozen elves), and they sent this small party of incompetent soldiers. The last aliance needed the greatest army seen since the first age to bring him down, and two kings of Elves and Men died in this endevour...for God's sake this show is stupid.
It wasn't a necessary scene. It was the scriptwriters spitting in the audience collective face.
"Haha. She beats a troll. A troll. See what we did there? We're so clever."
They didn’t even check the fallen elves to see if they were still breathing or bury them. They just left them there!! Seems odd that comrades on a quest would just go ‘nah, they’re probably dead, oh well!’ and move on! The writing was awful throughout the 25 mins of the episode that I could actually stand to watch before I switched off.
It's good that yall are in support of the show.
Keep crying about the show but watch it anyway.
That'll show em! 😄 🤣 😂
The World has changed, I feel it in the water, I feel it in the Earth. I smell it in the air.
It began with the writing of the great books. Ideas were given to J.R.R Tolkien, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Film rights were granted to Jackson, great director and craftsman of the mountain of lore. And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men, who above all else, desire quality.
But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the Land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a massive flop. And into this show he poured his money, his malice and his will to dominate all shows. One show to ruin them all, one show to bind them, in the Land of Amazon where the shadows lie.
One by one the free Series of the World fell to the power of the Show, but there were some who resisted.
A last Alliance of Tolkien Fans and Movie Critics marched upon the armies of Amazon and on the slopes of Mount Prime they fought for the freedom pf the free Series of the World!
I give you points for the drama, but still a fail. Grow up and stop making up hyperboles that aren't even close to true.
LMAO. Just perfect. 😂😂
Haha. You have talent, my friend.
@@donquijote6030 naw they're just parroting the same whiny nonsense I've seen posted by pathetic crybabies for months now
This fella' truly knows his way around Tolkien's work, and the analysis he presents in this video rips Amazon's tawdry show apart
I do wish people who pretend to care about the legendarium would shut up, sit down & listen
Well young isn’t exactly true
@@Loco0089 black don’t crack
He really does. He knows the languages. I looked at the description of the languages and realized I didn't understand it all and didn't even know how to begin to understand.
'Over my head'
@digifalc0087 There's also "Hello Future Me".
@@Loco0089 I've edited my comment to reflect that. However, considering I'm 52, he's still a young bloke compared to me 😄
It's so nice hearing the perspective of somebody so knowledgable on the actual Lore itself.
Series so far is an absolut Dumpsterfire.
I felt really terrible when even Galadriel's father doubted her ever playing football for Notre Dame, told her not to waste her time. Then, in the last game of her eligibility, the coach has her go in the game when the entire stadium chants, "Glad-dy, Glad-dy, Glad-dy..." and she gets a garbage-time sack, and elves, orcs and trolls alike carry her off the field, cut to dad crying and a black guy, her mentor, nodding. In this version, though, they updated the job title of the latter from lowly groundskeeper to Monsignor and President of the University, you know, because the other job seemed...well, you know...
LOL! That was funny.
I can't carry the football for you, Galadrial, but I can carry you!
@@Flufferz626 Win one for the Gally!
I’ve been seeing non-stop overly positive headlines in the “mainstream” media where I live. Looking forward to hearing from an actual Tolkien fan and lore buff.
MSM doesn't look any deeper than how pretty the CGI landscapes look. And they do look great but that doesn't fix the terrible writing and acting.
The visuals were great, the acting was great and the story was great. Unfortunately it wasn't related to Tolkien but in name only. The producers could have easily created their own series and it would have been a great hit. Instead they corrupted Tolkien's world.
@@anthonyoer4778 lol it's terrible... absolutely terrible.
I think it was Nerd Cookies that looked into this. A lot of times these seemingly great reviews actually tear the show apart. But it's oddly after around the 3rd paragraph. Kind of seems like a lot of mainstream critics are booing the show in their articles. Then some editor insists on a few praising opening paragraphs and changes the title to something praising.
@@jonnybgoode7742 the story, timeline and "narrative" is unforgivable. If only amazon chose to produce a smaller creator like Shad their series would have been good.
The characters in RoP just feel like actors in costumes, the original LoTR felt like real, connectable characters who were real!
I haven't felt that way, though Arondir seemed to have lost his soul ^^'
Exactly how I feel it’s like watching middle school theater everything was overly cheesy
inappropriate actors too, poor/misguided/Woke casting.
it's actually worst, it feels like Romulans from star trek playing cosplay of Elfs , with wooden acting & no emotions in facial expressions
“The original LoTR”???
The Lord of the Rings is a novel written by JRR Tolkien. The movies are unfaithful adaptations. You are not a LotR fan, and you have a bad taste.
Galadriel being bullied in the lands of Valinor is antithetic. There was absolutely NO conflict in there before the forging of the Simlarils by Fëanor. Thats why its the land of the gods, and not a fucking post war suburb.
A small correction. After the defeat of Morgoth, the Noldor were forgiven by the Valar and they could return to Valinor at any time. Galadriel chose to stay in Middle-Earth because she loved the land.
Wrong she was not forgiven until she refused the ring. She even says I passed the test blah blah I remain Galadriel.
@@Skabanis all the elves were invited to go to Valinor after the War of the Wrath. Only the 2 surviving sons of Fëanor were subject to judgment from the Valar. From the Silmarillion, "Yet not all the Eldalië were willing to forsake the Hither Lands where they had long suffered and long dwelt; and some lingered many an age in Middle-Earth. Among those where Cirdan the Shipwright, and Celeborn of Doriath, with Galadriel his wife, who alone remained of those who led the Noldor to exile in Beleriand." Galadriel chose to stay.
The test mentioned in the Lord of the Rings was nothing formal. Frodo was willing to give her the One Ring, and Galadriel took it as a test of her own strength to resist the call of power.
@@Skabanis i thought that test was just a personal one she set for herself? I don't recall if she was under external scrutiny
I would love a film or series on Morgoth and then Sauron's betrayal and rise to power. Either animated like the 1978 film or just hand drawn the original way or live action. I mean Morgoth must have supporters who are not to keen with Sauron. I would just love to see it all play out despite knowing how it ends.
@@ghyslainabel
"...Her prayer was granted - but also her personal ban was lifted, in reward for her services against Sauron, and above all for her rejection of the temptation to take the Ring when offered to her." - Tolkien letter 297
"...At the end of the First Age she proudly refused forgiveness or permission to return. She was pardoned because of her resistance to the final and overwhelming temptation to take the Ring for herself." -Tolkien letter 320
"[Things didn't change until] two long ages more had passed, when at last all that she had desired in her youth came to her hand, the Ring of Power and the dominion of Middle-earth of which she had dreamed, that her wisdom was full grown and she rejected it, and passing the last test departed from Middle-earth for ever." - The unfinished Tales
Technically, you and Malaka are both correct as you also quote the similarian. The reality is that Tolkien wrote contradictary accounts of when Galadriel was truly pardoned. Christopher Tolkien also talked about how this contradiction existed.
Thank you mate. One thing, 20:50 - he never wrote that elves have olive skin. Just variations on pale, fair, white, etc. It might be something from one of the RPGs that slipped into the wikis.
yeah I mean I consider anything less than porcelain to be towards olive anyway, as long as its not via tan
The new show was so horrible that even I who try not to judge things TOO harshly was very, very underwhelmed and disappointed. Guys, the actors, the story development, the failed portrayal of the plastic and one-dimensional "elves", everything was NOT okay. Even Galadriel seemed so unlikable and superficial. Amazon has won many battles, we can't let them win this one! FIGHT ON, GUYS.
Tolkien wrote her as the pinnacle of feminine power. An unmatched sorceress that was single handedly holding the powers of evil at bay in her lands.
They wrote her "more" powerful by acting like any old dude in an 80s action movie swinging her $@%# around.
Seriously the scene where she jumps off the boat and is gonna swim a distance that would have taken months on that boat made my eyes roll so hard it hurt.
^^^^ this!! as a feminine woman (who's also a feminist, who would have thought) i am SO TIRED of this trend of making "powerful" female characters just charicatures of buff action hero men. It's sexist af and just bad representation over all. Galadriel is so badass she has never needed anything more than her voice to scare off baddies.
"The fandom was dear to you I see, know that it suffered greatly at the hands of it's host. Who knew one so devoted could endure so much pain. And they did Gandalf, They did." -The mouth of Amazon to Gandalf the white on the show causing suffering to the fandom.
It amazes me how just some guy can do more research than a multi-BILLION dollar studio.
Oh, they know. They just don’t care. It is malicious intent from the start.
First 15 minutes of episode 1: Galadriel punches (bear fisted) a solid wall of ice and breaks it (!). Then she faces solo a (giant) ice troll and kills it without any issues with preternatural ninja-like abilities, when 7 male elite warrior elves had previously been pulverized by it and swatted like flies against the cave's walls.
And it goes on and on ...
The show alienates the viewer. We are watching a selfish superwoman, not a plausible elf warrior that sweats and bleeds like in Jackson's trilogy.
But... grrrl power.
*political Agenda
Don't hate, just breathe in the goodness you have learned is possible.
How do women not cringe with this endless girl power crap? It's so patronizing.
@@markmooroolbark252 they do. Only a small minority likes that stuff
I like how Galadriel uses the knife to point at a location on the map she is holding. Like, just point to it with your finger, drawing the knife is just silly.
When I was a little girl my dad use to read the hobbit and the lord of the rings to me at night. when I got older I watched the movies and read the silmarillion. I grew up loving Tolkiens world and some of my favourite memories with my dad are tied to it. I never would have thought that one day there be a tv show "based" on his work and I'd have zero interest in it.
Here's something fun to do with modern writers, especially for TV. Go look them up online, read their interviews, and look for the part where they mention a friend got them their first job. Bonus points if they mention having never considered or studied writing before as if that gives them some unique insight into it.
The writers can make or break a show. My go too for this is the original Star Trek movies. Same cast for all 6 movies, playing the same characters. The difference is the writers and directors. Some of the movies are loved number 2 and 6, others are good, and some are ignored, number 5.
Now everyone needs to start somewhere in what ever job they start working in, but most people start out small. I’m going to use Orson Scott Card as an example. Card started out as an assistant editor on a church publication, while doing that he submitted short stories to other publications. One of those was a short story, about 60 to 70 pages, called Ender’s Game. After many more short stories and years later Ender’s Game became a complete full length novel. Card did not start out with a full length novel but did the work to build up too a full length novel. Card grew as a writer putting in the time and work.
To many writers today want to jump to the top of their game without putting in the work or the time. I can think of many reasons why this is, but have nothing to seriously back up those assumptions. What I do have is a string of movies and TV series that all all fall short of the original work. Maybe this is hubris on the screen writes part or just the lack of experience but it shows in their work.
Man...remember in the Hobbit when Galadriel shows up to save Gandalf?
She looked so graceful, elegant and just radiated pure power...
She basically pimp slapped someone out of existence with one hand...
And yet here...they couldn't even imitate a fraction of that greatness...
The Tolkien estate didn’t approve of Jackson’s interpretation of the works. Why do you think it’s fine? It’s lore destroying.
@@bumscum4989 Jacksons interpretation is as close as a screen adaptation will get. And while there are many little things that don't fit into the lore, Galadriel isn't one of them. Her portrayal is pretty faithful. One can argue about wether the Dol Guldur scene in The Hobbit was true to the books plot, but Galadriels characterisation as an anchient and powerful being that didn't need any weapons to fight is true to how Tolkien described her.
Compared to what this show did with the character, it's damm near spot on.
@@rockyblacksmith there’s so much wrong with his interpretation to the point that the estate and Christopher were very vocal about their displeasure. Still, they are good adaptions on their own merit.
Same thing here, there’s some good things, some okay things and some things that might not work. Either way, it’s fine. It is after all not following a work but rather supposed characters.
The backlash is honestly equal parts funny and pathetic.
@@bumscum4989 You honestly want to compare the things Jackson changed to THIS?
I'll tell you what is lore-destroying;
The idea that Galadriel would go on a revenge quest for her brothers death (which itself is massively misrepresented) when the very nature of elves means she'll see him again.
The idea that Gil-Galad is the one giving permission for elves to go back to Valinor, instead of, you know, all Noldor being under a ban by the Valar.
The idea that an elf would just casually strike up a romance with a human (an event that, when happening in Tolkiens writings, always had MASSIVE significance)
The idea that a Silvan Elf would even have been in Valinor.
All of these things are massive contradictions to the events of the first age.
Nothing in Jacksons LotR trilogy came close to even ONE of these in terms of it's contradiction to otherwise established lore. And even in the clusterf*ck that was the Hobbit trilogy, hardly anything is THAT egregious. And the worst of them, the elf-dwarf romance, was mandated by the studio against the writers intentions.
@@bumscum4989 You are funny and pathetic. Jacksons portrail didn't significantly change the story. In any case, I don't really think that's the major issue. RoP could still have all of it's chronological problems and be a good show if the actors where good, the characters actually looked what they should look like, the dialog was in character and if the plot was more convincing.
The problem is that while Jackson's is LOTR and it positively stands out from other fantasy movies, you could call RoP anything else and nobody would bat an eye. You being incapable of understanding why this is so so much worse that PJ's shows just how ignorant you are. You aren't a fan.
Them Changing the circumstances of Finrods death introduces a whole lot of consistency problems. For example him living to hunt for Sauron implies that he either survived the whole affair with Beren getting the Silmarill (and leaving a question what he was up to after and during all of that, since he is kinda important), or implying that he never went to help Beren (which means that Beren would be, probably, eaten by werewolf and, thus destroying all hope for Middle Earth).
I’m only 3 mins in to video and I’m thinking, “aren’t these elvish children? Wouldn’t they be beyond bullying and fisticuffs, even as children?”
I’m no Tolkien expert or purest but it seems like ANY version of High Elf in any story would be above this type of brutish behavior even as children
It was similar in Bad Reboots Star Trek, Spock getting bullied by other Vulcan children. It doesn't make sense for Vulcans (or Elves for that matter) to act like humans.
@@Mike_Spilligan No, they can be far worse than simple bullies, they murdered thousands of their kin when stealing the Teleri's swan vessels, the Teleri had no weapons, they were hacked and butchered to pieces. The kinslaying showed how dark they can be when driven by that lust for vengeance, even to their own kind. And that is no invention, it comes straight from the Silmarillion.
@@Deverud Well, there was at least some kind of "Spock got bullied" backstory in the Animated Series, as well as some implication in "Amok Time" and our meeting with Spock's parents. But "got bullied" basically was "all the other Vulcan kids didn't want to play with Spock," IIRC. Nothing violent happened, because it was Vulcan.
It would never have happened.
@JR What kind "lust for vengeance" was in the case of this stereotypical booking scene? Looked very unnatural, just lazy screen writers
"Why not make their own story?"
Because then they couldn't shit over everything their political enemies once loved and own them. Pathetic? Absolutely.
no cause then they don't have brand recognition in their favor.
You're absolutely right! They are doing exactly what every other Hollywood studio is doing: burning through billions of dollars to peddle propaganda to the masses. That is what this Amazon garbage is.
My family is gleefully watching this series rn and I’ve never wanted to be disowned more in my life.
Some people don't actually "watch" (ie, intelligently process) a show or film. They just let the imagery and sound sort of "wash" over them without any thought.
@@adaeptzulander2928 that’s exactly what they do. As long as it isn’t a musical or an animation they will watch it and probably like it.
Well at least it’s not love island! That would be worth disowning your family over!
Overdramatic crybaby. Grow up
My mom doesn't care for the lore or anything at all, she's said she enjoys shows/movies for what they are and if they entertain her at the moment, regardless if there are things wrong with it. I've given up on trying to convince her on anything.
In the Peter Jackson trilogy, we see Galadriel in her weakest moment, falling for the power of the ring. And even then, she look stronger and terrifying.
IIRC Galadriel was allowed to return to Valinor after refusing the Ring from Frodo. "I passed the test..." she said, in reference to finally choosing the path of wisdom over her own ambition. The Ring would have finally given her all she ever wanted, though condemning her to darkness.
Galadriel's emotional development was obviously stunted by her being bullied as a child-elf by other child-elves in Valinor ... hence the lashing out. At least we were spared (so far, anyway -- flashback?) further bullying when she was slightly older in an environment emotionally indistinguishable from the US high school of TV and film.
The actors and actresses in Peter Jackson’s films, became those characters they were portraying.
For instance, the last scene Viggo filmed as Aragorn, Elessar II, was him turning around at the Black Gate, and saying “For Frodo”. To capture the actors real emotion of it being his last scene, and to capture that he was still holding to his oath to the ring bearer.
These fucking clowns will never understand what makes a film or show good, and what separates the good from the great.
And this isn’t even good
You're just clinging on to an idealized version of your childhood memories because you never learned to emotionally acknowledge the negative things about growing up. People were crying about Jackson's films while they were being made. You just didn't see it because outrage culture wasn't as prominent at the time.
@@kongspeaks4778 because of certain plot holes rightfully so back then. Today in current climate, we have to see politics of today in a mythological fictional world and not be allowed to criticize it with censorship on IMDb and screech of racism
@@patrik3450 why is it considered "political" only when minorities are on screen? If Tolkien really is all about grander philosophical themes (like decay, hope, love, faith, friendship, and a return to nature), why do people complain so much about "woke politics"? Tolkien himself was considered a "woke" dude in his time.
@@kongspeaks4778 is that what I’m doing? You know me personally and understand my psyche?
Homogenous characters can be diverse and inclusive. Ideas can be that. Even understanding the lore and respecting the fans is being diverse and inclusive.
Yea man. We can't let them coopt nice words like diversity and inclusion - which are, if you can get past the politics, really warm and nice ideas. These ideologues corrupt the very ideas of goodness and turn them to their evil purposes, like Morgoth in Eldamar.
People forget that the White people are the most diverse people of all
@@manoz6194 Most diverse and the smallest % of the population!
Stop using the enemies' words. Diversity is not good. Variety is.
The Fellowship is not homogeneous, but it is also not diverse. There's a bunch of races but they're all white. It is the variety that makes for good differences.
Diversity means excluding people on the basis of sex and color, on the belief that color and sex is all there is. And that if you merely replace and glorify one race and sex over another, that it can seamlessly replace them. This is the lie that liberals believe that led to this travesty.
Satan was cast out. It is he who demands inclusion. Then he demands equal standing without merit, then he demands subservience. The liberal morality was written by the devil.
@@JakesFavorites Well said. Diversity as it's used nowadays has become synonymous with racism for me. Because we include or exclude people on the exact same basis as Hitler did with jews. How come it seems we go backward in our evolution....
I laughed when they said "it's for elf lords only." That's such a modern entitled person thing to say, the dialogue is wildly out of place. IMO they would have said something like, "you are not permitted to attend the conclave, it is limited to high council only" or something similar but maybe a bit more to the point.
Which still wouldn't make sense, because, if I recall correctly, Elrond Halfelven, son of Earendil, was Gil-galad's (high king) right hand man for quite a while. Pretty sure that sort of position would be included in a high council.
You just explained scientifically why elves can't be dark skinned, tolkienwise, I love you man
Ok but who cares tho? Why are you people this pressed over black characters?💀💀
@@bananskal1921 who cares? O_o
@@bananskal1921, imagine white Wakandans, and then realize that LOTR is older, more deeply culturally entrenched/influential, and that there's been an ongoing trend of race-swapping figures of not just European myth and legend, but actual historical figures. Then realize that if this was happening to literally any ethnic group besides white people, you'd already be screaming that it's cultural genocide.
@@bananskal1921 Because it completely breaks the immersion of the series. Tossing in black elves literally adds nothing to the show and makes no sense in relation to the lore. It's just a way for Amazon to virtue signal about diversity. Really almost all the actors they selected to portray elves we're just terrible.
@@atraitor8892 who, cares it is a show.if ur immersion is that weak maybe read to gain an imagination
Re: that troll scene, it's actually worse ! That elven unit should have been specifically trained how to work as a unit to fight difficult foes like that troll. They should also have been the best of the best elites....
Aren't they also meant to be basically gods with bows and great with swords?
@@captaingalaxy5265 veterans with centuries of experience and training
I imagine the writers assumed they needed to force some tension into this scene because that’s just how it’s supposed to go. They think it won’t be entertaining to see elite soldiers efficiently deal with a troll, so they make these soldiers incompetent to artificially raise the stakes (and then girl boss shows those filthy men how it’s done)
@@billy-the-butcher That's the thing, they could have done that by portraying her as a respected and venerated leader of her squad who spent centuries with them hunting Sauron and killing orcs. They could have given them backstory of each member having his family or loved one lost to Saurons plotting and so on. Instead we got the great commander of northern armies whose personal bodyguards are unable to deal with one troll without her presence.
@@killianmiller6107 would be more exciting then watch them fail just to have some strong women one shot it
My 74yr irish mum is a huge fan of Tolkien. She's fuming bc as she says
"I paid to watch that feckin shite"
Funny.
😂😂😂 Poor mum❤
Been waiting for you to release this. Thank you.
I enjoy your videos, as you are extremely bright and insightful and you use the higher vocabulary and Logic you have actually EARNED from reading the great works of Western Literature. Keep up the great work.
I’m not sure what “Western” has to do with anything. Given that he’s speaking English, he probably didn’t get any of that vocabulary from reading Der Nibelungenlied
I liked the bit where Galadriel said "I'm gonna fight Sauron alone! and then went home instead. And then she said "I'm never going to give up fighting Sauron!" but then decided to go on holiday. But just before she got on holiday she decided to drown herself instead because her brother said something sad to her when she was a child and it reminded her she hates slow-motion holidays where everything is too bright and you don't get to fight Sauron forever.
She seems a century years old true sage. Definitely.
I feel guilty for not watching this with my parents because they really were looking forward to more LotR works, but I also refuse to waste my lifespan seeing an iconic lore get tarnished by...you know what? You said it already.
Nice job! You are a light to me in a dark place when so many other lights have gone out. Great work I love your knowledge on the lore
I'm flabbergasted that this is the best that ROP could produce with their massive budget. The show is absolute crap!!! It totally dishonored and disrespected Tolkien's beloved works. It's a complete travesty, much, much worse than anything I could ever have imagined.
No it has not
It could have been even worse, Disney could have been the ones doing the show.
@@matthewlachs6265 why do you think so?
@@matthewlachs6265 Honestly though. The people hating this show are the Tolkien fanboys and it is getting really toxic. The Tolkien fandom is starting to look like the Star Wars fandom which is a very bad thing.
@@matthewlachs6265 Actually no. The writing is bad. What about all those conversations that look so deep but are actually completely empty? What about that talk about ships and stones? The characters are not well written either. They act very weird. And combine that with your knowledge of these characters from Tolkien and it just doesn´t make sense.
This was brilliant. Keep up with each episode PLEASE. This is how I'm watching the show and I am no doubt going to be far more entertained.
I really am convinced that a lot of big entertainment companies are under the impression an IP's success is like intrinsic to the brand, and are inherently entitled to a success if they can only make something with that IP's name and likeness on it. Any complaints about its quality or adherence to canon lore, setting, plot, or character art is immediately dismissed as not coming from real fans because in their eyes a "real fan" likes it automatically because "it's that thing they like".
Like putting a Mercedes star on a Beetle.
its simply disdain for their customers. they think people get attached to brands, and will buy whatever product is released with that brand slapped on it. and arguably, this applies to a lot of things. Anything with a Supreme logo slapped on it sells like hot cakes, even it its ridiculously overpriced and completely useless. However, they dont understand that people that read LOTR every year, are a different category of customers than people who buy brand clothing. What amazon did here is the equivalent of buying the Rolex brand and then selling cheap chinese knockoffs that cant tell time correctly.
You are actually so spot on with this. Basic corporate thinking.
IDK that much about the lore, but I heard that the name "Galadriel" came from either her husband, Celeborn, or her lover Teleporno, so her name should still be Artanis.
I'm not a lore stickler per se, but getting your main character's name right seems important.
Like, if Jor-el was calling his baby boy "Clark" that would be ridiculous, right?
I was looking forward to your assessment of this drivel because I knew that your breakdown would be accurate and to the point. I am not disappointed. I had and have no intention of watching this insult to Tolkien's memory, so it's kind of you to suffer for me to be sure that I made the right call. Thanks Guy.
I busted a gut laughing. Every single prediction I made for this show turned out absolutely right. Every. Last. One. The writing is grade-school level shit, the effects are lackluster at best, the plot is non-existent, the music is entirely forgettable, the actors can't act their way out of a paper bag, and when the characters aren't sinfully boring, they're unbelievably obnoxious and irritating. If you were to take a shot every time this all-together wretched show breaks the established Tolkien cannon, you'd die of alcohol poisoning before the first episode was even over. Congratulations, Amazon. You've managed to make a piece that I will now count among Dragon Ball Evolution and The Last Airbender as one of the worst adaptations ever made, and a piece that is both a terrible adaptation, and a terrible piece in its own right.
Right 💯 it's complete bastardization of Tolkien's work
Amen
one thing i have to say is, its not as bad as the trailers suggested. the trailers were 1/10. i would give this a 2 or 3/10. some of the CGI in the establishing shots is pretty good and i liked a whole 2 scenes in the first 2 episodes. the acting is awful, but not as absolutely brainmelting horrible as it was in the trailers. you can see the actors are trying. its just that the dialogue is so cringe that they cant do anything with it, and its too obvious theyre just standing in front of greenscreens the whole time.
@@TheSuperappelflap agreed on this, got in after five pints on Friday night to watch it and scored it 3.5/10. It isn’t apocalyptically dreadful. But it is essentially utter trash and I’m still open to anyone explaining how the Galadriel they’ve fabricated for this show is meant to be inspirational, likeable or relatable in any way…?
@@thomasdavies5415 shes likeable to modern feminists. go strong woman!
Guy-Ladriel.
All the power of SuperMAN, all the compassion of Thanos, all the toxic masculinity of Citizen Kane, and all the emotion of Mr. Spock.
Nothing even remotely feminine, likeable, or interesting about this one-dimensional Mary Sue.
Yep, that's the Galadriel we all know and love.
"All the power of SuperMAN, all the compassion of Thanos, all the toxic masculinity of Citizen Kane, and all the emotion of Mr. Spock."
LMFAO. Well said.
Galadriel is basically Andrew Tate.
I'm loving the blunt honesty and the exasperated but still humorous tone to your reviews. Keep them up! ✨👌🏼
Have you noticed something interesting? When Hollywood shows us a "strong woman" she has all the characteristics described as "toxic" in men. Extreme aggression, violence, lust for power, ruthlessness, sexual entitlement, blatant sexism. All the things they say men should not display. Its almost as if......the women behind these movies are secretly jealous of men and wish to BECOME men through fantasy. Its almost like watching a mary sue fanfiction story written by a loser imagining herself in the position of the cool fighter guy. And because it is written by a loser the behaviour of the protagonist is an exaggerated caricature of what a real cool guy is like.
I never thought of it like that, and it rely is eye opening, well said
men and women have their own weaknesses... the thing is to bring a balance ... one should complement the other... this is not a competition... uwu life is not a competition ...
Do not worry, once they delete all the negative reviews from Imdb and Tomatoes, everything will be well and people will see the depth of the show. Yes. It will be glorious. I'm sure.
Amazon = fascists?
The firing soree and show cancellation will be quite glorious
Any idea why the replies aren't showing?
Hopefully it is only a quick solution over the weekend, until they can take time to review the comments?
@@sebastianwittmeier1274 won't help unless they delete all the negative reviews like rotten tomatoes have been caught doing.
Celeborn was totally erased by the show, and at the time him and Galadriel had been married for at least 1,500 years...
So far the only youtuber who really knows the lore
He knows Tolkiengateway
Elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo, JSG.
I love your insightful content as well as deep knowledge of Tolkien lore as usual.
Love from a fellow Tolkien fan.
To add to your casting / age comments: I found it off-putting that there is zero acknowledgment of the relation between key Noldor characters. Galadriel is a generation older than Gil-galad and Celebrimbor, yet she looks to be in her 20s, while they appear middle-aged. She is portrayed as a peer to Elrond, who is 3 generations younger, and would likely view her with reverence as a matriarch of the line of Finarfin. And they are all cousins, to varying degrees of separation, yet there is no familiarity or kinship portrayed between them. Seems like they needlessly discarded the richness of these character interactions just so that they could give Galadriel some kind of underdog story. And one last thing - I guess Celeborn was just tossed away? You know, Galadriel's husband? I am pretty sure they married at the end of the First Age.
Husband is baggage, can't have a strong woman reliant on a man in any kind of way these days. Missed opportunity for free drama though, instead of Gil-Galad stupidly just deciding he doesn't want to fight a known evil it could have been Celeborn holding her back since as her husband he has a vested interest in her not being hurt.
Yes, I seem to recall the fact that Elronds wife is a daughter of Galadriel and Celeborn.
To to show how messed up the time line is. Galadriel and Celeborn's daughter Celebrian was born in the second age 300. No sign of either of them. Elrond's brother Elros is still king of Numenor at this point and will be for another 142 years. However Ar-Pharazôn seems to be the king of Numenor is the series. He's the 25th king and crowned in the year SA3255, almost 3,000 years later. Given that Galadriel was born in the Year of Trees 1362, Celebrian is already older than her mother was when she was born during the show's setting and yet Galadriel still acts like a child.
A random extra :Elrond was already in love with Celebrian by the year SA1701
And honestly, even as a fan of the lore, I would be fine with many of these details being altered or omitted in the show... if there was a good reason for it. But cutting out all that rich history for no purpose is either laziness or vanity. Probably both.
@@Rogue_4 Yeah I'd be ok with alterations to make it fit like they did in the trilogy. But like you say (vanity or laziness) it comes across as if either they haven't read any of it or they think they can do better.
Lets sum it up:
lore: shat on
good writing: still to be found
good cinematographie: debatale at best
budget: huge but seems to have disappeared into the pockets of unrelated people.
They wanted to launder money and make some new one while they're at it.
This^
12:18 Actually, no. The Harfoots were one of the three groups of people that made up the Halflings. They were named thus by the ancestors of the Rohirrim, who found them, because of their size. Part of the Halflings migrated west in three groups, one of them being the Harfoots, while some of them stayed behind in the Vales of Anduin - Sméagol being a descendant of them. The ones travelling westwards eventually settled in the region later known as the Shire, and those were then known as Hobbits. That term isn't used anywhere else, which is why neither Gollum nor Treebeard (who is ancient!) know it. All Hobbits are Halflings, but not all Halflings are Hobbits.
I would be perfectly ready for a new story set in Middle-Earth. But it would have to be small in scale, with unknown characters, who weren't going to determine the fate of the universe. An epic saga that explains the origins of the most powerful beings in Lord of the Rings was just bound to fail.
I wouldn't have a problem with a series on the Silmarillion. But I agree, if you want to tell your own stories in the second age with a diverse cast, then do so. Like for example how Sauron corrupted the Easterlings and Southerlings. Make them less of a stereotype than they were in the books.
Indeed. They could have written a story set in the early forth age, for example.
It wasn't bound to fail just because it was an epic saga, by that reasoning lotr should've failed too. No, the rings of power failed because of the people who made it, because it was made by people who have it contempt or at least not much respect for the source material.
Imagine a story about the blue wizards in the east. They would have had so much creative freedom, because Tolkien never wrote much about them.
a story about a small town stucked in a land where sauron sent through his army against Gondor. The show is about to escape/sabotage/survive. Small scale. Unimportant event. Still would be great. Plenty of room for action, drama, feminism whatever. They don’t mess up with the lore and not enrage the fandom.
I love when the ring goes “its lordin time” and lords all over the place
Very powerful indeed
Cringe
Very original.
@@doodlenoi wasnt supposed to be
Sauron going "it's saurin time" was better ngl
Well I still laughed at this so, nice 😂
Some time ago, when trailer came out, I tried to explain all this elven biology and origins to someone on FB who was saying it needs to reflect real world demographic. How it ended? Well, of course with: "Its a fiction, do not bring real world evolution into it!" And I am like, seriously man?
I hate that argument. You know what you're right! So it is fantasy! Episode three galadriel shouts "it's morbin time!" And turns into morbius from the greatest movie ever and flies around shooting lasers from her eyes then after she turns sauron into a MLP figure and stuffs him into a jar says "this is my swamp now!" And the credits roll
@@CodeeXD and that would be better than whatever crap the show got in store for us next.
Tell this person, if black people want to be in fantasy, they need to get off their butts and write their own. LotR is NOT about Black people or some mix of people, it a fantasy based on the myths of the people of the British Isles and Ireland.
@@CodeeXD I need this show to exist
Possible argument for that is to ask why, if it reflects the real world, there aren't any east Asians in it, since China alone makes up something like almost a fifth of the planet. Or why despite having a large amount of Latinos both in and below the US (In Mexico and Central and South America), there is one Latino who they're styling as black (Ismael Cruz Cordova, the "black elf"). Or there's just "Why does it need to reflect the real world? Wakanda Forever doesn't." lol.
Point by Point, you rocked this, Just Some Guy. Thank you!