The most impressive thing about Xenoblade X is that a HUUUUGE portion of its explorable map design is actually vertical, so if accounted for that it would easily double or triple its explorable size with actual game content (not to mention its water and air are also full is explorable islands).
Yep I totally agree, Mira is super impressive even for todays standards, and it's crazy that the game almost needed two disc just to fit its sheer size!
one of my favorite moments was in Oblivia; being able to avoid a ton of encounters by using the cliffs I could scale to shimmy pass to my objective, it was super fun to actually use the enviourment and vertical space to avoid stuff. Also still chuckle at fighting that one tiny boss bug on a rock off the side of a waterfall lol
I don't actually look at myself as a Xenoblade youtuber despite the majority of my videoes being Xeno related so far, I want to try and branch out to more Nintendo stuff too in the near future, which I am really excited about! :) But I still really appriciate it!
Quite interesting. Well, I recall Monolith stating X is five times bigger than 1, and by your numbers, it is not that far from that, counting only landmass, but bigger by quite a lot if couting water, interesting. Also, it was said 3 is five times bigger than 2, and going by the landmasses you estimated, it more or less checks, it seems.
Ah yes I completely forgot to check how close the numbers got to the estimates made my monolith, so this is super interesting! Thanks for pointing it out :)
I guess my love for the titans completely skewed my view of the size of 2 Vs 3 lol, I thought they were about the same but then preferred Alrest because it's so cooool
Technically you can make any game bigger than Xenoblade X’s reported 400 square kilometers if you make a game about a 1 km tall giant in a room about 400 player giant heights squared.
Xenoblade 2's world-size being the smallest (in land-mass) but also largest (in terms of depicted area) feels pretty on point given the entire plot of the game is a land-crisis.
WTF? How is 2 so small without the cloud sea, and where the hell do all those 674km^2 cloud sea come from? I think that it is fair to include any ammount of cloud sea that is used for traversal in order to get to certain land masses, but this seems absolutely ridiculous...
When assuming sizes you have to take linearity into concideration. XC2 is the only game that lacks a giant circular exlorable area that hugely increases the base size og the game like Eryth/Ertyhia does for XC1/XC3 respectively. XC2 has a lot of implied size, but at the end of the day the explorable areas aren't that huge, and most are pretty linear. Also, I elaborate a bit more at 8:16. But thanks for the feedback :)
Awesome video! If I remember correctly, the OG XC1 on Wii as well as the 3DS port actually does tell you a distance between you and your destination. Anyways, might it be possible for you to share the areas for each in-game area individually? Or did you edit them all into one file and just found the area of the *entire* world?
Thank you, yeah I managed to completely forget about that! Yep I have all the indivdual sizes in a document, so I can just update the description tomorrow to include them :)
I find it kind of silly that Temperantia is the largest titan in XC2, despite the fact that it's just a wasteland and you spend like 30 minutes there in the main story xD
@@crystalcove99 Pretty sure Tantal is bigger, but I copy pasted the estimates directly from my document so the information is a bit messy haha so it's meant to say 2.51km^2 for tantal, due to the massive area at the bottom of the titan :)
Yep XC2 is pretty small comparatively to the other titles since a lot of it's titans explorable areas are mostly pretty linear open worlds, and it's the only game missing that really big circular area that buffs up the number a ton like Eryth/Erythia :)
Wow , i didnt expect that XC2s Cloud Sea would actually add that much explorable area on top of the tiny amount it actually has. This took me by surprise. Now i know XCX has a lot of water surrounding everything too , but there are at least a few small islands with Unique Bosses or Loot to be found , XC2 cloud sea is just ... worthless. Interesting , XC2 is the smallest and biggest , depending on how / what you count. Thanks , great job !
Thank you!! Interestingly enough the dichotomy between XC2 being the smallest yet the biggest seems to coincide really well with the reception of the game haha
Thanks! I would just import the map into geogebra, then measure the area on the map that I knew the distance to in game, then just devide the in game distance with the unit distance in geogrebra, then finally just multiply that ratio with the scale value of the map inside geogebra which would make it 1:1, so I could just import it into photoshop to use a pixel analysis of the explorable area :)
Can you specify more how you calculated cloud sea surface? Did you go from one end to another end of map until you hit the invisible walls in the cloud sea of each titan?
the creator had said the entire map of xenoblade 1 was the size of japan. or was that only for Bionis? also funny sicne the creators said they made xenoblade 2 smaller than X, i guess they meant filesize and not map
Yep I think the real size of Bionis is supposed to be the size of Japan, but it wouldn't really be possible to recreate something that big in a game for various reasons but that's what the world real equivalent is supposed to be, yes. Haha yeah X is bigger than 2 by a lot if we're talking about explorable size, so they were right in that sense :)
Another way you could have done the measurements would be to use the tennis courts in the NLA residential district, assuming that they are the regulation size for American tennis courts anyway.
In your measurements of Xenoblade Definitive Edition, did you include the Bionis shoulder from future connected? Also would you be able to calculate how tall Bionis actually is? I've seen some debate on how tall it is, but I wonder if you could do it. Awesome video by the way!
All the calculations were done purely in the base games, which means I did not include FC or Torna, mainly since i think it's best to just wait until XC3's dlc to group everything together if I end up doing it :) Yeah it's probably possible if you extract Bionis's model and measure Eryth sea & find the ratio between it's width and the bionis's height. Glad you liked it!
@@Sunowaddle This would probably be easiest to do with the Bionis's trophy in Smash 4, as it shows the whole thing and with the ability to rotate the model to see any angle, one would likely be able to see both Eryth Sea and the rest of the titan's body from a good side angle for measurement.
Thanks! I unforutnatly don't have the 1:1 maps anymore since geogebra is very bad when it comes to saving files, so I just have the data I gathered from it and not the actually sized up images :)
I think you should count the cloud sea IN ITS OWN CATEGORY, and then have a second category measuring the map and whatever is explorable by cloud swimming added together But im not map expert
Assuming you run at 10m/s (world record pace) I thought mira was about 45km^2 (excluding water), if its 100km^2 then you run at about 15m/s! Although I probably had a large error in my calculation of area since I just divided each continent onto rectangles, so I'd guess the movement speed is probably "only" about 13m/s (3m/s faster than usain bolt) If you have a more accurate measure of the movement speed please let me know
I didn't calculate the speed for X, but if I recall correctly there was a point in which they mentioned that Mira had a much lower gravitational pull then earth, which would mean they would be able to run much faster then on earth, so comparing earth speed records to Mira probably won't be accurate, assuming the gravity is >9.81m/s^2 :)
I actually did account for a lot of the overlaping stuff which you can see at the screenshots at 3:58, and I decided it was best to wait for XC3's dlc before I do Torna/FC
You probably would have had an easier time measuring Xenoblade 1 using the original game because the Crazy Taxi arrow showed the distance to the target in meters in the original
@@PurpleMonadoBlaze Yeah I have heard most of the story but still need to play it myself, which is why I think XC2 has one of the best villains in any game I've played!
Dislike. Bad methodology and the cloud sea definitely doesn't count as explorable area unless you want to measure the actual explorable part of the cloud sea. One can't just dive into the cloud sea from Melnath and swim in definitely throughout the whole sea; the game stops you going out to far. Therefore, the entire cloud sea isn't actually explorable. Too bad; I was really psyched by the premise of this video.
Read the text at 8:15, it was done as a semi joke and a jab at how a lot of measurements of game world does the exact same thing, I also even provided the "real" cloud sea number :)
The most impressive thing about Xenoblade X is that a HUUUUGE portion of its explorable map design is actually vertical, so if accounted for that it would easily double or triple its explorable size with actual game content (not to mention its water and air are also full is explorable islands).
Yep I totally agree, Mira is super impressive even for todays standards, and it's crazy that the game almost needed two disc just to fit its sheer size!
@@Sunowaddle makes me wish the thumbnail background was Skells
one of my favorite moments was in Oblivia; being able to avoid a ton of encounters by using the cliffs I could scale to shimmy pass to my objective, it was super fun to actually use the enviourment and vertical space to avoid stuff.
Also still chuckle at fighting that one tiny boss bug on a rock off the side of a waterfall lol
They need to port this to Switch already!
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 really wanted to, but they couldn't fit the tb in a natural way
Everyone: Don’t torture yourself by mapping the cloud sea!
Sunowaddle: And then I did!
having sanitiy is overrated anyways!
Huge day for Xenoblade Chronicles 2 fans!
Also for X fans since someone actually remebered their game exists-
That, and X has the largest explorable area by far, not including water or the cloud sea B)
(not a cope I SWEAR)
A new good Xeno TH-camr joins our ranks. Thanks for the quality content!
I don't actually look at myself as a Xenoblade youtuber despite the majority of my videoes being Xeno related so far, I want to try and branch out to more Nintendo stuff too in the near future, which I am really excited about! :) But I still really appriciate it!
@@Sunowaddle That's great! Glad to be here to support you right at the start!
@@fernandosantello3803 That means a lot for me to hear! ^^
Good lord, X looks so good for a WiiU game, man...
Wiiu always looks good the real compliment is that that whole world is not background you walk an fly their
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 that is part of WHY it looks good... it shows great immersion...
@@Blizz3112 theirs a channel that is slowly uploading videos showing off the regions
Quite interesting. Well, I recall Monolith stating X is five times bigger than 1, and by your numbers, it is not that far from that, counting only landmass, but bigger by quite a lot if couting water, interesting. Also, it was said 3 is five times bigger than 2, and going by the landmasses you estimated, it more or less checks, it seems.
Ah yes I completely forgot to check how close the numbers got to the estimates made my monolith, so this is super interesting! Thanks for pointing it out :)
I guess my love for the titans completely skewed my view of the size of 2 Vs 3 lol, I thought they were about the same but then preferred Alrest because it's so cooool
Technically you can make any game bigger than Xenoblade X’s reported 400 square kilometers if you make a game about a 1 km tall giant in a room about 400 player giant heights squared.
For real world reference, Malta (a European microstate) has the land area of 316 km^2.
That's actually really interesting! Awesome to see that Mira is literally bigger than some real world countries haha
Here before the typo in the title was changed. Real shit tho, love to see the consistent uploads! Keep up the good work!
pffft obvious spelling errors? Couldn't be me 🤣🤣
Not only is your dedication to the task incredible, but your editing is top notch too! Loved it!
Thank you, I appriciate it so much!! ^^
I'm surprised you included X, that alone wins you points with me.
Huge day for XCX fans when someone actually remebered their game exists!
@@Sunowaddle including the developer.
But no Skell in thumbnail dammit
Oh man 2023 starting off with some good Xenoblade content
glad ya liked it! Nothing like starting a brand new year by making content for one of the best game series ever
Xenoblade 2's world-size being the smallest (in land-mass) but also largest (in terms of depicted area) feels pretty on point given the entire plot of the game is a land-crisis.
WTF? How is 2 so small without the cloud sea, and where the hell do all those 674km^2 cloud sea come from? I think that it is fair to include any ammount of cloud sea that is used for traversal in order to get to certain land masses, but this seems absolutely ridiculous...
When assuming sizes you have to take linearity into concideration. XC2 is the only game that lacks a giant circular exlorable area that hugely increases the base size og the game like Eryth/Ertyhia does for XC1/XC3 respectively. XC2 has a lot of implied size, but at the end of the day the explorable areas aren't that huge, and most are pretty linear. Also, I elaborate a bit more at 8:16. But thanks for the feedback :)
Awesome video! If I remember correctly, the OG XC1 on Wii as well as the 3DS port actually does tell you a distance between you and your destination. Anyways, might it be possible for you to share the areas for each in-game area individually? Or did you edit them all into one file and just found the area of the *entire* world?
Thank you, yeah I managed to completely forget about that! Yep I have all the indivdual sizes in a document, so I can just update the description tomorrow to include them :)
I find it kind of silly that Temperantia is the largest titan in XC2, despite the fact that it's just a wasteland and you spend like 30 minutes there in the main story xD
@@crystalcove99 Pretty sure Tantal is bigger, but I copy pasted the estimates directly from my document so the information is a bit messy haha so it's meant to say 2.51km^2 for tantal, due to the massive area at the bottom of the titan :)
@@Sunowaddle oh gotcha, that makes a bit more sense now 😆
I’m shocked you only have 700 subscribers, this editing is easily something I’d see for someone with 100k or more. keep it up man!
That's really awesome to hear, thank you so much! Maybe one day :)
wait, xenoblade chronicles 2 without cloud sea is smaller than erith sea???
damn, I am baffled
Yep XC2 is pretty small comparatively to the other titles since a lot of it's titans explorable areas are mostly pretty linear open worlds, and it's the only game missing that really big circular area that buffs up the number a ton like Eryth/Erythia :)
Its also important to note that 2 has more verticality than 1 which isn’t considered in these measurements
Xb1 on the Wii has a quest marker with meters indocator...
Yeah haha I completely forgot about that during the process of this video!
Xeno2's cloud sea is literaly just the size of earth acording to Klaus at the end.
Taking Pyra and Mythra into account on top…XB2 is simply the best in the series. It’s the ‘Empire strikes back* of the series….
XC2 is such a great game!
I hear an off-seer flute for Xenoblade X. Hopefully it'll come back to us one day again.
Hoping for an X port to Switch soon :)
Oh damn
Geez dude. Huge props for all this. Your patience is legit amazing. I'd lose my mind a quarter of a way in
Thank you! And don't worry, I did too : )
Lol the “I couldn’t find Dunban” gag alone is worthy of a sub
glad somebody found my stupid little joke enjoyable haha :D
Wow , i didnt expect that XC2s Cloud Sea would actually add that much explorable area on top of the tiny amount it actually has.
This took me by surprise.
Now i know XCX has a lot of water surrounding everything too , but there are at least a few small islands with Unique Bosses or Loot to be found , XC2 cloud sea is just ... worthless.
Interesting , XC2 is the smallest and biggest , depending on how / what you count.
Thanks , great job !
Thank you!! Interestingly enough the dichotomy between XC2 being the smallest yet the biggest seems to coincide really well with the reception of the game haha
Awesome! Hey, how did you use the geogebra to measure the explorable area?
Thanks! I would just import the map into geogebra, then measure the area on the map that I knew the distance to in game, then just devide the in game distance with the unit distance in geogrebra, then finally just multiply that ratio with the scale value of the map inside geogebra which would make it 1:1, so I could just import it into photoshop to use a pixel analysis of the explorable area :)
I always just thought it was funny that the entire planet Mira would fit inside of a moderately sized city.
Yeah makes sense though concidering hardware and budget limitations haha
@@Sunowaddle yeah it definitely does lol. Only a few open World maps are actually a world.
XCX is simply the best in absolutely every aspect of the game!
I hope Nintendo ports it to Switch soon so more people will get to experience it :)
@@Sunowaddle that would be a dream
Bro you there@@ric8248
Very interesting video!
Thank you!
Can you specify more how you calculated cloud sea surface? Did you go from one end to another end of map until you hit the invisible walls in the cloud sea of each titan?
Yep, but it was mostly an approximation based on the method you mentioned
the creator had said the entire map of xenoblade 1 was the size of japan. or was that only for Bionis?
also funny sicne the creators said they made xenoblade 2 smaller than X, i guess they meant filesize and not map
Yep I think the real size of Bionis is supposed to be the size of Japan, but it wouldn't really be possible to recreate something that big in a game for various reasons but that's what the world real equivalent is supposed to be, yes. Haha yeah X is bigger than 2 by a lot if we're talking about explorable size, so they were right in that sense :)
7:00 i find the way you say this so hilarious also finally x is playable on switch i'll have to try it out
Another way you could have done the measurements would be to use the tennis courts in the NLA residential district, assuming that they are the regulation size for American tennis courts anyway.
In your measurements of Xenoblade Definitive Edition, did you include the Bionis shoulder from future connected? Also would you be able to calculate how tall Bionis actually is? I've seen some debate on how tall it is, but I wonder if you could do it. Awesome video by the way!
same with 2's titans as well
All the calculations were done purely in the base games, which means I did not include FC or Torna, mainly since i think it's best to just wait until XC3's dlc to group everything together if I end up doing it :) Yeah it's probably possible if you extract Bionis's model and measure Eryth sea & find the ratio between it's width and the bionis's height. Glad you liked it!
@@Sunowaddle This would probably be easiest to do with the Bionis's trophy in Smash 4, as it shows the whole thing and with the ability to rotate the model to see any angle, one would likely be able to see both Eryth Sea and the rest of the titan's body from a good side angle for measurement.
@@msgameandcake628 Aah yeah I completely forgot it was a trophy in Smash 4, so that model could work to find out it's size yeah
I adore this franchise
same :)
There are some hiddne caves in gormont you can swim to through the cloud sea if I remember correctly.
The Highly Anticipated Sequel has arrived
Haha thats really awesome to hear!
where does xenoblade 2 rank without the cloud sea?
4th 😔
Hi, nice video, do you mind uploading the maps that are 1 to 1 scale? From Geogebra or the individual maps with 1 km grid
Thanks! I unforutnatly don't have the 1:1 maps anymore since geogebra is very bad when it comes to saving files, so I just have the data I gathered from it and not the actually sized up images :)
@@Sunowaddle Okay, thank you, I'll just try and reverse engineering the results with the area you calculated, and scale them to the correct size
Am hype an freaked out at X combining with other titles gimmicks image 3 cross X or 2 cross X oh god
😎
Did you include the Bionis' Shoulder in XC1, the Tornan Titan in XC2, or the Cent-Omnia region in XC3?
@@cullenhutchison6528 nope, only base games 👍
@@Sunowaddle It would be interesting to know, since those areas are quite large.
Banger video keep it up
Thank you, will do!! :)
what about the ocean of xenoblade x u can go to the edge of the universe in that game
Yep I counted all the water in X's calculations
I think you should count the cloud sea IN ITS OWN CATEGORY, and then have a second category measuring the map and whatever is explorable by cloud swimming added together
But im not map expert
I sorted it all out in the text on screen after the reveal of XC2 size to clearify the other sizes w/o the cloud sea too : )
@@Sunowaddle my b, was watching while commenting and forgot to edit the comment
@@enzoforgets9456 aah gotcha, no worries!
Who's here after they announced XCX coming to Switch finally?
@@mksnesfan8679 me 🙏
Assuming you run at 10m/s (world record pace) I thought mira was about 45km^2 (excluding water), if its 100km^2 then you run at about 15m/s! Although I probably had a large error in my calculation of area since I just divided each continent onto rectangles, so I'd guess the movement speed is probably "only" about 13m/s (3m/s faster than usain bolt)
If you have a more accurate measure of the movement speed please let me know
I didn't calculate the speed for X, but if I recall correctly there was a point in which they mentioned that Mira had a much lower gravitational pull then earth, which would mean they would be able to run much faster then on earth, so comparing earth speed records to Mira probably won't be accurate, assuming the gravity is >9.81m/s^2 :)
you couldve just used the wii version which tells you the distance from you and the next story objective in metres
yeah I figured that out after the fact haha
@@Sunowaddle that said, the idea that you measured xenoblade 1 in units of dunbans velocity per second is funny as hell
@@MakenaForest thats the new SI unit offcially for speed
I feel bad asking this, but did you measure the torna titan too?
Nope, waiting to potentially do the DLC areas until XC3's dlc drops :)
@@Sunowaddle Smart move, yet another reason to be hyped for xenoblade 3 DLC wave 4!
so without the cloud sea its XCX>XC3>XCDE>XC2
great job btw especially with XC1
Yep that's right! The results where pretty predictable, but I still feel its interesting getting a more accurate measurement of them. Thank you! :)
I'd sill say XCX is larger, as you can gain many thousands of feet high, vertically. That should be included too.
You forgot to account for vertical space, Xeno 2 has a lot of overlaping stuff. Also the Torna DLC
I actually did account for a lot of the overlaping stuff which you can see at the screenshots at 3:58, and I decided it was best to wait for XC3's dlc before I do Torna/FC
@@Sunowaddle Ohhh that's completely fair
How is Xenoblade 2 explorable area so tiny? It didn't felt like that at all when I played the game
@@rubenjorge13 Mostly because of implied size 👍
Con razón pase casi 300 horas jugando, el mapa de XC2 es enorme sin contar Torna.
i think the maps are CVERY Big (not TM'ed)
You are correct 😎
You probably would have had an easier time measuring Xenoblade 1 using the original game because the Crazy Taxi arrow showed the distance to the target in meters in the original
yeah I rememered that the original had that function after I was done with the calculations 😥
I think the smallest Xenoblade map is the Torna map
I didn't count the DLC maps because I haven't played Torna yet, but that might be true yeah :)
@@Sunowaddle omg u need to play Torna. Jin’s character will make so much more sense to u after playing it.
@@PurpleMonadoBlaze Yeah I have heard most of the story but still need to play it myself, which is why I think XC2 has one of the best villains in any game I've played!
I think the maps are ______ big
Yep they sure are!
X casually letting you travel to the door towards end game right after intro section
The useless math from school being useful in fhe real world
Glad I finally found a worthy application for it :-)
Dislike. Bad methodology and the cloud sea definitely doesn't count as explorable area unless you want to measure the actual explorable part of the cloud sea. One can't just dive into the cloud sea from Melnath and swim in definitely throughout the whole sea; the game stops you going out to far. Therefore, the entire cloud sea isn't actually explorable.
Too bad; I was really psyched by the premise of this video.
Read the text at 8:15, it was done as a semi joke and a jab at how a lot of measurements of game world does the exact same thing, I also even provided the "real" cloud sea number :)
as always, Xeno 2 is just better ☺️
XC2 is just built different