hi! i'm from Brazil, and was searching for something about hte latin use in the mass. Thanks God i've foud your video! thanks for sharing this knowlege... god bless you
I'm Brazilian and American and entered the church not too long ago. Portuguese is my native language and the one closest to Latin, of all the romance languages. I've been very interested in learning to pray in Latin and have in my plans also to attend a TLM Mass. This is a great resource here of history and the importance of the Latin language in our beautiful church.
I would have to say yes to pray in Latin, for myself, I pray the little office of the Blessed Virgin Mary mostly in Latin, but I like to say it in English as well, or in French and to add to that I do attend a traditional Latin mass. But yes, Latin seems to fill the soul for me. Our new parish priest reads the Latin fluently besides his own language, and he speaks four languages. So I highly recommend it. I hope others will. Agree on this the more you learn in languages, especially in Latin your capacity in broadening your intellect or your spiritual life becomes a tremendous help. Enjoy your program. I’ve been a busy for a while and haven’t had a chance. God bless.
I'm part of a beautiful Novus Ordo parish where the Priest is traditional. We worship with the Latin in the mass. Our priest has his back to us during the celebration. We have an altar rail separating heaven and earth for when we receive our Blessed Lord upon the tongue. I could go on about the traditional aspects in our Mass but this would be long. I feel how we celebrate the new rite is how Vatican ll was originally intended to be. Mind you I also have access to the Traditional Old Rite as well which I attend on occasion for it is the greatest and most beautiful of all Christian worship. Glory to Jesus Christ glory to Him forever
Vatican II never received Imprimatur. It’s not about our preference, and it’s not a “celebration” The Mass is a sacrifice. I could continue but that’s enough to give you for understanding why they shouldn’t keep changing worship.
Hey brother, love your channel. I am interested in the topics you cover as a layman, but you seem to be an expert. Would love to have a talk with you some time. May Christ and His angels watch over you.
This is very sensible advice. English, as a Germanic language, is best for Polytheistic purposes, especially Early Medieval Old English. Even translating into English, or Dutch, or any other Germanic language, doesn't work as well as would fit a devout believer. Even using the word 'God' (instead of 'deus' or 'Yahweh' etc) is problematic as this term etymologically carries neither a positive or negative connotation, nor is it anything but quite the umbrella term that in and of itself really doesn't even fit Monolatry, let alone Monotheism.
Some excellent information here. Solid work. Your treatment of the Roman Empire as a 'tool of the Devil' is misleading and theologically presumptuous, however. Proclaiming this or that State to be either an instrument of God or Satan has led to some of the most embarrassing, propagandistic performances in history. Since the topic of this video is the Latin language, one would expect a more balanced treatment of the civilization that refined and universalized the tongue. It was Rome who produced Cicero, Cato, Gracchus, etc., as well as Augustine. Rhetoric in the Republic was perhaps at its greatest height in all of human history. This is, of course, to set aside the scores of ways in which the Empire paved the way for the Church and indeed made it possible for Her to flourish by Her fourth century conversion. Along with Latin, Rome civilized the world with her order, technology, laws, and (relatively) beneficent style of local governance. While it may be more dramatic and self-satisfying to portray Rome as a cartoonish Saturday-morning villain (most Christians do this), it is historically ridiculous. Why would you need to do this, by the way? Latin is perhaps the most systematically beautiful and ordered language ever to exist. Why does it also need to have magical powers against Satan? (By the way, if the Devil 'hates' it so much, why do possessions so frequently manifest with the speaking of Latin?)
I don't want to be rude, so please excuse me, but even your "In nomine Patris..." is wrong in almost every video. It is "... Spiritus Sancti" not "Spiritui". Also, your pronunciation is way off. It's just not a good look to argue praying in a language you don't understand and cannot even pronounce. :-( Again, no offence, but please brush up on your Latin.
Very well, but your pronunciation of Latin is (no offence) pretty bad, be it with accenting the wrong parts of the word, not pronouncing diphthongs properly, reading one letter as another, etc
1) No it isn't. 2) There is a pronunciation difference between ecclesiastical and secular Latin. 3) Nobody truly knows how Latin should be pronounced, as there always were and still are variances in local dialects. 4) You dumb-dumb.
@@joeschulz5350 I do agree, the points in the video are fair, but it does just set the video off on the wrong foot; that, and confusing the cases of the Gloria Patri with the sign of the cross.
@@lizhalpin8610 What I said wasn’t an insult, and this isn’t my opinion lol. There are rules for Latin in the ecclesiastical pronunciation and he broke very many of them. I could give examples if you like Also, do you know Latin and the rules for pronouncing it? Your comment makes it seem like you don’t
Prayer isn’t saying magic incantations. “A broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.” Ps 51:17 This narrative about certain wordings being superior is completely antithetical to the way God uses people in the Bible.
It’s not, but it is clear that having a Sacred language that is set apart can help the mind raise itself to God, which is the purpose of prayer. It also provides a universal language for prayer that the Universal Church can share in common. And none of this contradicts the verse you quoted, you can still acknowledge what I said and believe it is what is in the heart that really matters, and Catholics don’t deny that. And we would also deny that it is some magical language that magically makes your prayers more effective. That’s just a strawman.
No. You shouldn't pray in Latin. Unless you're completely fluent in latin, you don't understand each and every word with you are uttering which is very important in prayer.
It's not that hard though. We memorize prayers when we are children without understanding what we are saying, and understanding comes later. Learning just the prayers that we are already saying is not difficult, and it enriches our understanding of language. It's also usually word for word: pater noster, qui es in caelis= father ours, who is in heaven, I mean come on. Better to pray like all our ancestors in faith and in actuality, like a ton of saints did, than to insist on not improving oneself in even a small way.
Why tf I gotta learn another language to speak to God? Does he not speak english? Language is a human construct but salvation happens, wordlessly, entirely within the soul. The mute can pray and God will hear them.
I believe what it means here is mainly for Mass, how we celebrate in Sacred language , but personally we should have no worries about praying in our own language.
It's worth considering that praying in the language of the Church, even if we aren't fluent in it, shows Him that we take the extra effort to please Him in our prayers. I've heard it argued that either in private prayer or in the liturgy (more so in the liturgy) insisting that our own language being used when there is a reasonable means to use the language of the Church communicates to God that we expect Him to condescend to us, rather than making an effort to go towards Him.
hi! i'm from Brazil, and was searching for something about hte latin use in the mass. Thanks God i've foud your video! thanks for sharing this knowlege... god bless you
Brasileira aqui também e acabo de descobrir esse canal, como você. Estou começando a aprender algumas de nossas preces em latim.
I'm Brazilian and American and entered the church not too long ago. Portuguese is my native language and the one closest to Latin, of all the romance languages. I've been very interested in learning to pray in Latin and have in my plans also to attend a TLM Mass. This is a great resource here of history and the importance of the Latin language in our beautiful church.
Love this! Saving it for later.
Latin mass as a child , as Frankie said , as you pray so believe.
I believed as a child , i believe now.
I would have to say yes to pray in Latin, for myself, I pray the little office of the Blessed Virgin Mary mostly in Latin, but I like to say it in English as well, or in French and to add to that I do attend a traditional Latin mass. But yes, Latin seems to fill the soul for me. Our new parish priest reads the Latin fluently besides his own language, and he speaks four languages. So I highly recommend it. I hope others will. Agree on this the more you learn in languages, especially in Latin your capacity in broadening your intellect or your spiritual life becomes a tremendous help. Enjoy your program. I’ve been a busy for a while and haven’t had a chance. God bless.
I'm part of a beautiful Novus Ordo parish where the Priest is traditional. We worship with the Latin in the mass. Our priest has his back to us during the celebration. We have an altar rail separating heaven and earth for when we receive our Blessed Lord upon the tongue. I could go on about the traditional aspects in our Mass but this would be long. I feel how we celebrate the new rite is how Vatican ll was originally intended to be. Mind you I also have access to the Traditional Old Rite as well which I attend on occasion for it is the greatest and most beautiful of all Christian worship. Glory to Jesus Christ glory to Him forever
Vatican II never received Imprimatur. It’s not about our preference, and it’s not a “celebration” The Mass is a sacrifice. I could continue but that’s enough to give you for understanding why they shouldn’t keep changing worship.
Hey brother, love your channel. I am interested in the topics you cover as a layman, but you seem to be an expert. Would love to have a talk with you some time. May Christ and His angels watch over you.
Devil hates Latin and I’m praying the same way St Gregory did 😄
Good stuff but your Latin pronunciation has many mistakes
This is very sensible advice. English, as a Germanic language, is best for Polytheistic purposes, especially Early Medieval Old English.
Even translating into English, or Dutch, or any other Germanic language, doesn't work as well as would fit a devout believer.
Even using the word 'God' (instead of 'deus' or 'Yahweh' etc) is problematic as this term etymologically carries neither a positive or negative connotation, nor is it anything but quite the umbrella term that in and of itself really doesn't even fit Monolatry, let alone Monotheism.
Love the content. Is it possible for u to add Chapters to your videos?
You should do a video on the difference between Hollywood demons vs real demons
Some excellent information here. Solid work. Your treatment of the Roman Empire as a 'tool of the Devil' is misleading and theologically presumptuous, however. Proclaiming this or that State to be either an instrument of God or Satan has led to some of the most embarrassing, propagandistic performances in history.
Since the topic of this video is the Latin language, one would expect a more balanced treatment of the civilization that refined and universalized the tongue. It was Rome who produced Cicero, Cato, Gracchus, etc., as well as Augustine. Rhetoric in the Republic was perhaps at its greatest height in all of human history.
This is, of course, to set aside the scores of ways in which the Empire paved the way for the Church and indeed made it possible for Her to flourish by Her fourth century conversion. Along with Latin, Rome civilized the world with her order, technology, laws, and (relatively) beneficent style of local governance.
While it may be more dramatic and self-satisfying to portray Rome as a cartoonish Saturday-morning villain (most Christians do this), it is historically ridiculous. Why would you need to do this, by the way? Latin is perhaps the most systematically beautiful and ordered language ever to exist. Why does it also need to have magical powers against Satan?
(By the way, if the Devil 'hates' it so much, why do possessions so frequently manifest with the speaking of Latin?)
Liturgical Latin is different than the vernacular Latin.
I don't want to be rude, so please excuse me, but even your "In nomine Patris..." is wrong in almost every video. It is "... Spiritus Sancti" not "Spiritui". Also, your pronunciation is way off.
It's just not a good look to argue praying in a language you don't understand and cannot even pronounce. :-(
Again, no offence, but please brush up on your Latin.
Your heart is in the right place but your pronunciation of Latin is execrable. The stress marks are in place but you failed to recognise them.
Very well, but your pronunciation of Latin is (no offence) pretty bad, be it with accenting the wrong parts of the word, not pronouncing diphthongs properly, reading one letter as another, etc
Again, no offence, but it just really isn’t a good look to argue that we should pray in Latin while pronouncing it noticeably badly
1) No it isn't.
2) There is a pronunciation difference between ecclesiastical and secular Latin.
3) Nobody truly knows how Latin should be pronounced, as there always were and still are variances in local dialects.
4) You dumb-dumb.
That is your opinion, and not very kind. In my opinion it was very good, and I go to the Latin Mass.
@@joeschulz5350 I do agree, the points in the video are fair, but it does just set the video off on the wrong foot; that, and confusing the cases of the Gloria Patri with the sign of the cross.
@@lizhalpin8610 What I said wasn’t an insult, and this isn’t my opinion lol. There are rules for Latin in the ecclesiastical pronunciation and he broke very many of them. I could give examples if you like
Also, do you know Latin and the rules for pronouncing it? Your comment makes it seem like you don’t
Prayer isn’t saying magic incantations. “A broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.” Ps 51:17
This narrative about certain wordings being superior is completely antithetical to the way God uses people in the Bible.
It’s not, but it is clear that having a Sacred language that is set apart can help the mind raise itself to God, which is the purpose of prayer. It also provides a universal language for prayer that the Universal Church can share in common. And none of this contradicts the verse you quoted, you can still acknowledge what I said and believe it is what is in the heart that really matters, and Catholics don’t deny that. And we would also deny that it is some magical language that magically makes your prayers more effective. That’s just a strawman.
This is missing the point of the whole video.
No. You shouldn't pray in Latin. Unless you're completely fluent in latin, you don't understand each and every word with you are uttering which is very important in prayer.
It's not that hard though. We memorize prayers when we are children without understanding what we are saying, and understanding comes later. Learning just the prayers that we are already saying is not difficult, and it enriches our understanding of language. It's also usually word for word: pater noster, qui es in caelis= father ours, who is in heaven, I mean come on. Better to pray like all our ancestors in faith and in actuality, like a ton of saints did, than to insist on not improving oneself in even a small way.
Language have religion now ? 😂😂😂😂
Why tf I gotta learn another language to speak to God? Does he not speak english? Language is a human construct but salvation happens, wordlessly, entirely within the soul. The mute can pray and God will hear them.
Great question. The video provides 7 answers.
Maybe watch the video to find out 🙄
@@historiaecclesiastica Great response XD
I believe what it means here is mainly for Mass, how we celebrate in Sacred language , but personally we should have no worries about praying in our own language.
It's worth considering that praying in the language of the Church, even if we aren't fluent in it, shows Him that we take the extra effort to please Him in our prayers. I've heard it argued that either in private prayer or in the liturgy (more so in the liturgy) insisting that our own language being used when there is a reasonable means to use the language of the Church communicates to God that we expect Him to condescend to us, rather than making an effort to go towards Him.
Just as effective as German and Swahili.