what i hate about this battle so much is that they literally gave everything from mario lore to bowser's side even non-canon stuff while eggman almost only had all of his canon stuff + they once against lowballed eggman and highballed bowser like they did with omni man and bardock and many more examples and before people say: but nintendo said this... . shut up bitch sega also said that everything is canon with sonic if you use that logic then be fair and not unfair like a 1 sided idiot, infact i CAN even mention incosistencies between rpg, paper, kart, paper & canon mario verses but if i would be type them then it would take a veeeeeeeeeeery long time so im not gonna waste precious time, if anyone thinks otherwise about me then type to me through instagram, discord or deviant art
what i hate about this battle so much is that they literally gave everything from mario lore to bowser's side even non-canon stuff while eggman almost only had all of his canon stuff + they once against lowballed eggman and highballed bowser like they did with omni man and bardock and many more examples and before people say: but nintendo said this... . shut up bitch sega also said that everything is canon with sonic if you use that logic then be fair and not unfair like a 1 sided idiot, infact i CAN even mention incosistencies between rpg, paper, kart, paper & canon mario verses but if i would be type them then it would take a veeeeeeeeeeery long time so im not gonna waste precious time, if anyone thinks otherwise about me then type to me through instagram, discord or deviant art
The fact that metal was a better leader than Eggman the entire fight is crazy. Eggman didn’t even do anything himself, not even in his mech did he land a single hit😭
@@hiddenflare6169 I’m talking about in comparison to Bowser. Both were out on the field fighting alongside their armies while Eggman was somewhere else, Metal was helping his army get the phantom ruby. Neither Eggman nor Metal really lead any of their troops, but Metal definitely did more for his team than Eggman who wasn’t even thinking about his team when he fired the death egg, we could see there were still tons of Eggman robots on the field that were even running in fear.
what i hate about this battle so much is that they literally gave everything from mario lore to bowser's side even non-canon stuff while eggman almost only had all of his canon stuff + they once against lowballed eggman and highballed bowser like they did with omni man and bardock and many more examples and before people say: but nintendo said this... . shut up bitch sega also said that everything is canon with sonic if you use that logic then be fair and not unfair like a 1 sided idiot, infact i CAN even mention incosistencies between rpg, paper, kart, paper & canon mario verses but if i would be type them then it would take a veeeeeeeeeeery long time so im not gonna waste precious time, if anyone thinks otherwise about me then type to me through instagram, discord or deviant art. bcs they lowballed eggman a lot, they didnt include lots of his stuff like time eater & nega wisp armor, they didnt even let metal to transform into overlord
what i hate about this battle so much is that they literally gave everything from mario lore to bowser's side even non-canon stuff while eggman almost only had all of his canon stuff + they once against lowballed eggman and highballed bowser like they did with omni man and bardock and many more examples and before people say: but nintendo said this... . shut up bitch sega also said that everything is canon with sonic if you use that logic then be fair and not unfair like a 1 sided idiot, infact i CAN even mention incosistencies between rpg, paper, kart, paper & canon mario verses but if i would be type them then it would take a veeeeeeeeeeery long time so im not gonna waste precious time, if anyone thinks otherwise about me then type to me through instagram, discord or deviant art. he wouldve survived if death battle wouldnt had lowballed eggman's side
@@FrancisL4D i was just worry that people think this voice isn't actually or was his. Anyway if only the vidoe wasn't limited to 20 minutes mabey we could had his dragen form with time manipulation as a scene. Imagine that neo metal overlord as a part of the battle ha.
@@longlivethesecondplaceice2736 Yes the voice is Metal's (Metal Overlord to be specific, its higher pitched then Neo's voice), but I think they meant the "I'll Crush You" line, which was an iconic line from Cooler which was reused by Metalix (Metal Sonic with the other Sonic robo doubles absorbed) in the Super Mario Bros. Z flash animation (not to be confused with Metalix feom the Fleetway comics). Then it got used for Metal Overlord in Sonic Heros, a near full circle, just got to get Cooler to use a Metal Sonic line lol.
what i hate about this battle so much is that they literally gave everything from mario lore to bowser's side even non-canon stuff while eggman almost only had all of his canon stuff + they once against lowballed eggman and highballed bowser like they did with omni man and bardock and many more examples and before people say: but nintendo said this... . shut up bitch sega also said that everything is canon with sonic if you use that logic then be fair and not unfair like a 1 sided idiot, infact i CAN even mention incosistencies between rpg, paper, kart, paper & canon mario verses but if i would be type them then it would take a veeeeeeeeeeery long time so im not gonna waste precious time, if anyone thinks otherwise about me then type to me through instagram, discord or deviant art
Metal Sonic is such a valid crashout imo. It’s no wonder he sought to overthrow Eggman in Sonic Heroes, knowing full well he could lead a robot army AND be at the frontlines in any conflict his people encounter.
@@Vetadelta3892 infinite got lowballed and disrepected to the maximum and sage is more of a support without any thing to posses like a titan she is kinda just their to support or buff allies which she didnt even do
@ truthfully I couldn’t tell you how much power they can hold against Bowser but it doesn’t matter because King Boo exposed Infinite for the fraud that he is. Also keep in mind Sonic defeated him without having to go super at all, so.
I heard the animator state he believes, in purely their opinion, that Metal could potentially beat Bowser on his own. That's why Metal did so well here
what i hate about this battle so much is that they literally gave everything from mario lore to bowser's side even non-canon stuff while eggman almost only had all of his canon stuff + they once against lowballed eggman and highballed bowser like they did with omni man and bardock and many more examples and before people say: but nintendo said this... . shut up bitch sega also said that everything is canon with sonic if you use that logic then be fair and not unfair like a 1 sided idiot, infact i CAN even mention incosistencies between rpg, paper, kart, paper & canon mario verses but if i would be type them then it would take a veeeeeeeeeeery long time so im not gonna waste precious time, if anyone thinks otherwise about me then type to me through instagram, discord or deviant art
Neo Metal was done so well in this fight, it doesn’t even feel like he lost with how much he got done Hell his biggest mistake was trying to get into a battle with a foe that was a universal threat even before he became Fury Bowser. The Grand Star was just straight overkill to make sure he stayed down
Well, don’t forget metal had the chaos emeralds which should be equal if not greater than the grand star so he should’ve overpowered it but because he’s not very well-versed in the chaos emeralds themselves he lost it wasn’t his lack of power. It was his lack of control.
@@jasondobbins9735 Also he MURDERED BOWSERS SON if this beat would literally go to the edge of the galaxy for peach imagine what he would do if Jr ended up dead
I can only imagine the reason why he didn't is because they determined Super Neo to be stronger than Overlord? Or that form would have been too independent/rebellious for Eggman's liking (he's seen how Metal would act as Overlord already).
The only reason he died so fast is because of budget limitations. Bowser would have still won, but Metal Sonic would be even more of a menace if he had enough time.
To give a point of how badly Eggman’s team relied on Metal. Literally Bowser required to be in Fury form, plus a power boost from a Grand Star just to take him out due to the Chaos Emeralds.
I mean, to be fair Jr didn’t really do much in the fight till the very end with Fury Bowser and the whole turning everything into a brick. I’d argue Kamek was the MVP on Bowsers side.
@@cantmakeacreativename2072 revived bowser, blocked the attack from super neo with his paint that could have been a fatal blow, got rid of Eggmans escape vehicle, turned the death egg into a block, and turned Eggmans last ditch weapon into cardboard! He was truly the mvp!
@@MinMin4theWinWin how tf the little thing survived that attack, bc tbh if it wasn't for Jr's magic turning the SpaceShip of Eggman into a block, surely Bowser would have lose'd this battle if it wasn't for him
Bowser's side had all it's team members pull together really well in the fight, but they didn't carry their side *alone* the way Metal did - who was the answer to 90% of the things the Koopa Troop could throw at Eggman that wasn't a goomba or hammer bro. They each fought super well but Metal had to fight practically every major enemy player back to back (King Boo, Kamek, JR), including Bowser himself.
Metal did most of the carrying in this fight. Sage wasn't as much help as she could have been because Bowser's army doesn't lean on tech. Against another army that relies on technology, she could have carried just as much as Metal, if not more. Once Metal got taken out, Eggman was hosed.
@@djaxeman2424She did technically kill Bowser. If it weren’t for the transmutation and Dry Bowser, she likely could’ve kept on firing the death egg or she could’ve pulled out another machine.
Frankly, the way Metal was moving in this fight, if Eggman just gave him the emeralds and told him and Sage to cook, he absolutely could’ve won this war. But Eggman doesn’t trust his creations to do the work without being able to stroke his ego for the world to see.
@@God-xd1wrtbh no They would have had an early advantage at best But it would make bowser use his OP abilities quicker Specially the abilities from wonder and well yeah. Yk the rest too many to list They were cooked anyhow Best they could do is an early lead and at the end they get cooked
@@Shattered_Cat I dunno, bro. Being an entity comparable to Sonic in terms of speed, Metal practically had eons to decide how and when to cut Bowsers army at the neck. And Sage, while having millions of plans to formulate with potentially billions variables, only needs to find a way to eliminate those extra variables from the equation. Once she has that, only one or two plans out of her millions of calculations actually need to be effective. But, while it would be in character for Eggman to take an easy win against Bowser, only really using his more elaborate setups for Sonic due to their rivalry, it wouldn’t make for an engaging narrative or a fun battle between Bowser and Eggman.
Neo Metal has altered my brain chemistry ngl. Brian Drummond's voice work for Neo is top notch, I need him to come back for it if they ever have Neo again
Let's be real. Kamek and Metal Sonic carried the entire team, while Sage and Bowser Junior acted as the Trump Cards. Bowser just acted like any leader should while Eggman cowered in his tank.
i like how every time a sonic cast loses in their superform its cuz of a extremely low time limit which is so not true plus how many of yall think bowser jr head should have come clean off when neo landed the spindash on him
That battle really could've been Bowser vs Metal Sonic as individuals. However, I'm glad that didn't happen because that means we got the glorious image of Infinite bested by a Thwomp.
Yeah throwing your allies is generally not a good idea. But I'll give her the benefit of the doubt so maybe those robots were too damaged to properly fight.
For someone who _could_ have contributed as much as Metal did, they really did not let Sage do much. (A pattern from Eggman's side that, even if the conclusion were ultimately accurate, doesn't actually leave me convinced Bowser wins. Which is just unfair to both of them really.)
Bro they need to bring Neo Metal Sonic back. The concept of Metal Sonic being the main villain is too cool of an idea to leave for one single game, let alone how it was executed in Sonic Heroes
@@treehouseoffun1242 Well sure, but a big reason Bowser took the Army stat is because his Army's more loyal & coordinated. If you're doing that, you may as well give Eggman the minions who were disloyal to show that working against him. As it stands, they kind of filtered out everyone who wasn't perfectly loyal to Eggman and then still docked him marks for having a disloyal army. That seems off to me.
@@GiftOfKnowledge-np9vgthe problem is that the deadly six aren’t allied or like eggman they’d betray his army the first chance they get there actually enemies for eggman if eggman is seen controlling the zeti the conch kamek, king boo, or even bowser would either seal it away in a painting or just outright steal it with magic
@@FatalGod404 Eh maybe; though there's something to be said for making copies with the Phantom Ruby if Infinite had tired to use it for more than...some kind of gravity attack? Dude could've sat back & summoned an army but no, he had to draw attention and waste one of the Eggpire's best resources (which Eggman only brought one of for some reason). Dude deserves all the ridicule. Still though, there were allies who worked willing with with Eggman for a time & were only _ultimately_ disloyal that they could've given him; like Chaos, Shadow, Nack, Trip, the HardBoiled team, etc. I'm just saying, if you're docking points for him having disloyal guys, fill out his team with disloyal guys.
@@GiftOfKnowledge-np9vgI feel like the issue with doing that is that it would just kinda be unfair for both sides and not fun to watch. The fight would go from “bowser vs Eggman” to “a bunch of people fighting to save their own ass.” Probably why they killed off Metal before he became Overlord, besides possible budget and time constraints. He would just be fighting for himself rather than Eggman.
@ yeah … but then again the phantom ruby was … kind of just screwy in general. Like it made no sense in anything. Like one says it creates things, another says it alters perception and it’s not real or something so-
@@yellowhawk01 Same can be said for Mario and Luigi. One second they’re fighting off universal-multiversal forces and the next they struggle fighting against a large caterpillar.
@@treehouseoffun1242 well on the player’s end that is a skill issue … plus there is not canonical scale as to how strong Mario and Luigi are. With or without powerups And with the phantom Ruby it was established as a powerful gem across 2 games (forces and mania) it’s just one is confusing and the other we don’t have scaling for
nah forget all hail shadow they need to be hailing metal for this ten out of ten pristine performance he was practically soloing the entire fight if bowser didn’t use the star it would have been a wrap
They probably wanted to but it probably had to be cut due to time constraints and budget. They wanted to include all of the Koopalings but they had to be cut.
I mean honestly the crazy scaling from Game Sonic is pretty close to the crazy scaling from Archie Sonic, and frankly more impressive than the crazy scaling from Paper Mario anyway. But, even if it wasn't nearly as bad as Mario vs sonic 2, DB did still kind of lowball both series _way_ below either of these crazy scaling highs for this fight. So I'm honestly not really walking away from this fight thinking of it as at all accurate; but just as a fun romp with great animation & fire music. Sometime that's all a Death Battle episode ends up being and you've got to accept that.
the MVP of the whole fight, wasn't even going all out too I think (could've copied Kamek or Bowser's bio data and gone Metal Overlord maybe, though maybe he couldn't since he was too preoccupied wiping the floor with Bowser's army ... wait a minute, where are the Koopalings?)
The animation is incredible and the battle is extremely hype, but its hard to believe. They wanted to make sure to push every potential advantage the Mario universe could have had but completely downplayed Sage who could have been piloting Supreme for this fight. Kamek and JR should have been taken out promptly with their lack of actual feats, but instead they allowed JR to tank a direct hit he should have had no business surviving. Follow that up with Metal dieing in a controversial way and if the bias wasn't obvious theb well... Did you know JR can transmute something in space the size of a moon? Yeah, nobody did. It should have quickly become a triple team against Bowser but they really wanked his allies while downplaying Sage as another exteemely serious threat.
Its still a huge lowball, as Metal can easily negg Bowser and his army, but plot of Death Battle fights won't let him show how powerful he is, so Metal die from cringe...
When I watched it I was wondering why he didnt pull out Metal Maddness or Overlord, but then I remebered those forms needed tons of data from the Sonic cast, which Metal couldnt replicate. Even if he could, I dont think he wouldve won the beam struggle with Bowser.
One thing I didn't understand in the video was that one part where they talk about Eggman destroying stars Because didn't Sonic beat Emerl who copied that amount of power? So that means that machines like the Egg Dragoon and others should scale to that
They did explain how base Bowser was already just as strong, if not stronger, than machines like the egg dragoon through, of all things, Yoshi scaling.
@@treehouseoffun1242 but they ignored stuff like how they are capable of fighting Solaris at mutiple points of time Or how the Chaos Emeralds were going to colide the dimensions in one of the Sonic Rush games Or how Eggman could also steal stuff like Kamek by using chaos control Or how they talk about Yoshi turning a enemy into a star constelation, but don't consider stuff like Sonic restoring time in Generations And these are just some issues I can think on the fly
@ Well I don’t think Eggman or his machines have ever fought Solaris meaning that they likely don’t scale fully to it. The original Japanese version of Mario galaxy apparently says the galaxies are actually entire universes and the black hole Bowser survived destroyed and remade all of them meaning that colliding dimensions isn’t anything new to him. And Sonic only restored time with his speed, not his power, meaning that Eggman likely doesn’t scale to that. Raphael exploded into a constellation because he was hit by Yoshi. And, at least to my knowledge, unlike chaos control, Magikoopas in general could steal Eggman’s items, including the chaos emeralds.
@@treehouseoffun1242 but what about his machines that fought Super Sonic though? Also you said that Sonic restored time with his speed not power, that's true but like, the faster you hit the stronger the hit is And I don't really see why chaos control can't steal stuff like Magikoopas, just teleport something and done, they could even do that on a larger scale, like with the Space Conlony Ark in SA2 Btw, you say the Mario galaxies are like entire universes, even though they look pretty small
@ Super Sonic’s invulnerability makes it hard to tell how strong the robots he’s fighting with are. At least with base Sonic, we have some amount of durability feats to scale their power to, Super Sonic just doesn’t take damage and is, at best, pushed back by their attacks. Bowser could also just transmute them with his magic or wonder flower or decide they don’t exist anymore with the dream stone. Yeah but that doesn’t seem to be the case with Sonic, and most fictional characters in general. There’s numerous times where, if we did use that logic, his attacks would be way stronger than they are or way weaker than they should be. Because Eggman’s emeralds could be stolen from him while you can’t really stop the magikoopas from stealing them. Stealing their wands isn’t going to help since they can just summon them back to their hands and retry their magic. Even if Eggman were to try and kill the magikoopas outright, they could simply teleport away, teleport his attacks away, transmute his attacks, or simply make fake clones to take the hit for them. They look small but, apparently, they’re entire universes. At least, according to the Japanese version.
Metal didn't died due to Bowser's beam, he died due to his back breaking for carrying Eggman's team so hard
I've heard that 3 times already, but it's just true. 😂😭
This DB was more like Bowser vs Metal with help from some other guys.
His back was hurting him too much when he hit the beam clash.
Why else did he win the last time Eggman went into a death battle
very original comment ultssb
Sage was the stratagist and Metal was the DPS.
Once the DPS went down, the fight was over.
yup
Normally it's the DPS who matters the least when they die.
Fury Bowser stopping the Death Egg's cannon must have been a DPS check.
Even Sage knew.
what i hate about this battle so much is that they literally gave everything from mario lore to bowser's side even non-canon stuff while eggman almost only had all of his canon stuff + they once against lowballed eggman and highballed bowser like they did with omni man and bardock and many more examples and before people say: but nintendo said this... . shut up bitch sega also said that everything is canon with sonic if you use that logic then be fair and not unfair like a 1 sided idiot, infact i CAN even mention incosistencies between rpg, paper, kart, paper & canon mario verses but if i would be type them then it would take a veeeeeeeeeeery long time so im not gonna waste precious time, if anyone thinks otherwise about me then type to me through instagram, discord or deviant art
I guess Infinite was the frontline…because he died instantly.
As a comment said in the video
"You doing great metal!"
"IM DOING EVERYTHING!"
That one too tier gold lol
@RandoGrunt it's so good! Had to put it here
Bro crashing out after losing a chance time lmfao
Accurate
Crashing out over a chance time is so real tho
Imagine being in last place with 0 emeralds man that's EMBARASSING!
I’d do the same if I lost chance time and also happened to have the master emerald on standby
what i hate about this battle so much is that they literally gave everything from mario lore to bowser's side even non-canon stuff while eggman almost only had all of his canon stuff + they once against lowballed eggman and highballed bowser like they did with omni man and bardock and many more examples and before people say: but nintendo said this... . shut up bitch sega also said that everything is canon with sonic if you use that logic then be fair and not unfair like a 1 sided idiot, infact i CAN even mention incosistencies between rpg, paper, kart, paper & canon mario verses but if i would be type them then it would take a veeeeeeeeeeery long time so im not gonna waste precious time, if anyone thinks otherwise about me then type to me through instagram, discord or deviant art
The fact that metal was a better leader than Eggman the entire fight is crazy. Eggman didn’t even do anything himself, not even in his mech did he land a single hit😭
That's Eggman for you...
Ehh Metal was a great warrior and deserves to be feared as the monster or weapon he is… But leader? I didn’t see him do much leading here.
What’s funnier was that in IDW Metal was proven to be a decent leader when Eggman was Mr tinker at the time
@@hiddenflare6169 I’m talking about in comparison to Bowser. Both were out on the field fighting alongside their armies while Eggman was somewhere else, Metal was helping his army get the phantom ruby. Neither Eggman nor Metal really lead any of their troops, but Metal definitely did more for his team than Eggman who wasn’t even thinking about his team when he fired the death egg, we could see there were still tons of Eggman robots on the field that were even running in fear.
what i hate about this battle so much is that they literally gave everything from mario lore to bowser's side even non-canon stuff while eggman almost only had all of his canon stuff + they once against lowballed eggman and highballed bowser like they did with omni man and bardock and many more examples and before people say: but nintendo said this... . shut up bitch sega also said that everything is canon with sonic if you use that logic then be fair and not unfair like a 1 sided idiot, infact i CAN even mention incosistencies between rpg, paper, kart, paper & canon mario verses but if i would be type them then it would take a veeeeeeeeeeery long time so im not gonna waste precious time, if anyone thinks otherwise about me then type to me through instagram, discord or deviant art. bcs they lowballed eggman a lot, they didnt include lots of his stuff like time eater & nega wisp armor, they didnt even let metal to transform into overlord
Eggmans units protect their leader because they have to.
Bowsers units protect their leader because they want to.
Bowser protects his own units from a death laser eggman yeets his robots to bowser
Animals actually become living batteries against their will, but the metal shell that encases them, badnicks, has a lot of free will.
Actually no, Sage and Metal genuinely love Eggman as their father.
@@twilightwolf6248only them
@@twilightwolf6248Eggman had to program the rebellious nature out of Neo Metal Sonic.
Metal sonic would have actually survived the death beam if he wasnt tired from carrying his whole team
Mf is a robot I'm pretty sure he doesn't get tired.
@@QuaversYTHe does recharge though
@@foxtrap86flame He recharges but that isn't stamina. That’s just his power.
@@QuaversYT Did you just blow in from Frown Town? Take the joke and laugh.
what i hate about this battle so much is that they literally gave everything from mario lore to bowser's side even non-canon stuff while eggman almost only had all of his canon stuff + they once against lowballed eggman and highballed bowser like they did with omni man and bardock and many more examples and before people say: but nintendo said this... . shut up bitch sega also said that everything is canon with sonic if you use that logic then be fair and not unfair like a 1 sided idiot, infact i CAN even mention incosistencies between rpg, paper, kart, paper & canon mario verses but if i would be type them then it would take a veeeeeeeeeeery long time so im not gonna waste precious time, if anyone thinks otherwise about me then type to me through instagram, discord or deviant art. he wouldve survived if death battle wouldnt had lowballed eggman's side
0:34 I'm glad Eggman at least acknowledged Metal Sonic's work...
Metal was cooking until he got cooked. 🔥😭
He cooked so hard he got himself caught up in the cookage (by hurting Jr)
Metal got cooked because his own team didn't come help 😭
Bro was the mvp atleast he went out with a bang
OMG THEY GAVE HIM THE MARIO BROS Z LINE
Isn't that his actealy voice in the game. You know from sonic heroes.
@@longlivethesecondplaceice2736
Yes, They used voice lines from the games from neo metal, infinite and all the koopa troop.
@@FrancisL4D i was just worry that people think this voice isn't actually or was his.
Anyway if only the vidoe wasn't limited to 20 minutes mabey we could had his dragen form with time manipulation as a scene.
Imagine that neo metal overlord as a part of the battle ha.
@@longlivethesecondplaceice2736
Yes the voice is Metal's (Metal Overlord to be specific, its higher pitched then Neo's voice), but I think they meant the "I'll Crush You" line, which was an iconic line from Cooler which was reused by Metalix (Metal Sonic with the other Sonic robo doubles absorbed) in the Super Mario Bros. Z flash animation (not to be confused with Metalix feom the Fleetway comics).
Then it got used for Metal Overlord in Sonic Heros, a near full circle, just got to get Cooler to use a Metal Sonic line lol.
what i hate about this battle so much is that they literally gave everything from mario lore to bowser's side even non-canon stuff while eggman almost only had all of his canon stuff + they once against lowballed eggman and highballed bowser like they did with omni man and bardock and many more examples and before people say: but nintendo said this... . shut up bitch sega also said that everything is canon with sonic if you use that logic then be fair and not unfair like a 1 sided idiot, infact i CAN even mention incosistencies between rpg, paper, kart, paper & canon mario verses but if i would be type them then it would take a veeeeeeeeeeery long time so im not gonna waste precious time, if anyone thinks otherwise about me then type to me through instagram, discord or deviant art
Metal Sonic is such a valid crashout imo. It’s no wonder he sought to overthrow Eggman in Sonic Heroes, knowing full well he could lead a robot army AND be at the frontlines in any conflict his people encounter.
I think it's hilarious people flatout forgot metal Sonic says I'll crush you in Sonic heroes
Yeah, people treat SMBZ like its a biblical text lol.
@@spider-soniczilla2989To be fair, Ian Flynn had Mecha Sonic say "I'll crush you" in the IDW comics. So it's now, in a sense, canon.
Could've just called the entire fight Metal (and Sage somewhat) carrying the Eggman Empire
I'd say Infinite did okay as well. Yeah he got folded almost instantly but he took a few people out.
@@shotguntony4730one he took like mainly folded
@@shotguntony4730 honestly, of we left King Boo out of the equation, bro could've beaten everyone
Metal sonic was the goat in this death battle pay him respects 🤖🦔🔵
"Its too late"🥶
The chills man oh my god...
Let’s be real. This battle was mostly Bowser vs Metal. Without Metal, it was game over for Eggy.
What about sage and infinite?
@@Vetadelta3892 infinite got lowballed and disrepected to the maximum and sage is more of a support without any thing to posses like a titan she is kinda just their to support or buff allies which she didnt even do
@ truthfully I couldn’t tell you how much power they can hold against Bowser but it doesn’t matter because King Boo exposed Infinite for the fraud that he is.
Also keep in mind Sonic defeated him without having to go super at all, so.
@@strange_editorbro they disrespected infinite so bad 😭. I’m pretty sure he can create clones of other people and they did nothing with that info
@ true true
I heard the animator state he believes, in purely their opinion, that Metal could potentially beat Bowser on his own. That's why Metal did so well here
They’re so valid for glazing him though
I mean, he's more capable of throwing hands whit Sonic than Eggman, i can understand.
@@Amsel_616 Consider Bowser had Paper Mario, only way Metal was winning is with Archie
He was about to carry the battle again just like Dr. Wily
Unfortunately, he decided to target Junior, in front of Bowser, who's in Fury form
@ he messed with his family. That’s when it got personal and bowser entered his second boss phase.
@@joshuabergman3292if only we had the Bowser jr beater no.1 mecha sonic With us
what i hate about this battle so much is that they literally gave everything from mario lore to bowser's side even non-canon stuff while eggman almost only had all of his canon stuff + they once against lowballed eggman and highballed bowser like they did with omni man and bardock and many more examples and before people say: but nintendo said this... . shut up bitch sega also said that everything is canon with sonic if you use that logic then be fair and not unfair like a 1 sided idiot, infact i CAN even mention incosistencies between rpg, paper, kart, paper & canon mario verses but if i would be type them then it would take a veeeeeeeeeeery long time so im not gonna waste precious time, if anyone thinks otherwise about me then type to me through instagram, discord or deviant art
I'd say he less carried the Willy vs Eggman; more he just cleared the board.
Metal carried hard, but he made one fatal mistake: Targeting Bowser Jr.
Neo Metal was done so well in this fight, it doesn’t even feel like he lost with how much he got done
Hell his biggest mistake was trying to get into a battle with a foe that was a universal threat even before he became Fury Bowser. The Grand Star was just straight overkill to make sure he stayed down
metal hurt junior bro was cooked after that
Well, don’t forget metal had the chaos emeralds which should be equal if not greater than the grand star so he should’ve overpowered it but because he’s not very well-versed in the chaos emeralds themselves he lost it wasn’t his lack of power. It was his lack of control.
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@@jasondobbins9735 Also he MURDERED BOWSERS SON if this beat would literally go to the edge of the galaxy for peach imagine what he would do if Jr ended up dead
@@Vince-rh8es Bowser jr. survived though
He was the one that transmuted the egg pod into stone and Death Egg into a ? block
Metal Sonic carried this fight so badly. He may have eventually lost but he put up a good fight
Infinite: But I’m a more recent and cooler Villian!
Metal: Shut up you Shadow OC.
“only one of those is true”
-Metal
The respect Metal is getting is so damn deserved 😭
…i somehow read it as disrespect and i was just thinking “hell did he do to you?”
I'll still say metal not going overlord is a crime
I can only imagine the reason why he didn't is because they determined Super Neo to be stronger than Overlord?
Or that form would have been too independent/rebellious for Eggman's liking (he's seen how Metal would act as Overlord already).
Imagine if death battle pulled super metal overlord out of no where
Shadow:metal overlord is not a he big deal
there is already 2 giant foes fighting to the death we dont need the 3th
@@egg326 yeah but it would be funny seeing two giant mechanical kaiju fight a natural/magical kaiju
The only reason he died so fast is because of budget limitations. Bowser would have still won, but Metal Sonic would be even more of a menace if he had enough time.
Died fast ? Hes in a large gap than Infinite buu Bowser jr kamek or sage
Hé got a perfect time
Nah, Bowser would have lost. Can't exactly stop him from copying your Magic.
@@Spino-hx2mrdidn’t they say Kamek can stop him from doing that.
Actually they said that Kamek CAN disable his bio-coping ability.
@@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch Ik, but to me, it's still fast. He was supposed to survive even longer knowing what he's capable of.
Going to be honest, I kinda knew that if Eggman was to win, it would be due to Metal Sonic. The battle was over the moment he died
I swear the whole just curved into Metal Sonic vs Bowser 💀
Lol when sage said NO when metal sonic died, they knew they already lost
That is no mere robot.
That is an actual *force of nature*
This is why Metal is Sonic’s best rival. A force of nature to match a force of nature.
@@God-xd1wr force of nature dying to a wall 😂
No matter how many times he loses to Sonic, he’ll take as many times as necessary to triumph one day, lol
To give a point of how badly Eggman’s team relied on Metal.
Literally Bowser required to be in Fury form, plus a power boost from a Grand Star just to take him out due to the Chaos Emeralds.
bro was actually aura farming the whole match oml
This is simply proof that we need Perfect Cell vs Metal Sonic ASAP
My man Metal was cooking till Bowser had a justifiable Crashout on him 😭 (Glad Jr was ok after that cuz God damn)
People are saying that Metal Sonic was the MvP...but what about Jr!?
I mean, to be fair Jr didn’t really do much in the fight till the very end with Fury Bowser and the whole turning everything into a brick.
I’d argue Kamek was the MVP on Bowsers side.
Nah it was def kamek kamek is the one who made metal sonic lose his copying ability
@@cantmakeacreativename2072 revived bowser, blocked the attack from super neo with his paint that could have been a fatal blow, got rid of Eggmans escape vehicle, turned the death egg into a block, and turned Eggmans last ditch weapon into cardboard! He was truly the mvp!
@@MinMin4theWinWin how tf the little thing survived that attack, bc tbh if it wasn't for Jr's magic turning the SpaceShip of Eggman into a block, surely Bowser would have lose'd this battle if it wasn't for him
Bowser's side had all it's team members pull together really well in the fight, but they didn't carry their side *alone* the way Metal did - who was the answer to 90% of the things the Koopa Troop could throw at Eggman that wasn't a goomba or hammer bro.
They each fought super well but Metal had to fight practically every major enemy player back to back (King Boo, Kamek, JR), including Bowser himself.
What I imagine Metal saying:
0:15 Wha- what the - ? Where'd you - ? (notices Bowser) *It's too late!*
0:34 (evil chuckle)
1:01 *I'LL **_CRUSH_** YOU!*
1:16 *_Die!_*
1:24 (evil laugh) Too _weak!_
1:40 NO! I'm sorry, Da- - (dies)
I thought: sage! The emeralds chaos control *die*
Bowser had to power up to the utmost max to deal with metal
If that isn’t putting respect on my boy’s name, I don’t know what is.
to be fair metal did also had the 7 emeralds on him
@killerninja4416 he rarely shows up without them
Good point tho
@@killerninja4416however, he was still holding back on using Metal Overlord
0:11
Metal: "That's how easy it is, ghost!"
Yeah Metal Sonic carried the Eggman Empire in this fight and when he died that’s when Eggman started to lose
Metal did most of the carrying in this fight. Sage wasn't as much help as she could have been because Bowser's army doesn't lean on tech. Against another army that relies on technology, she could have carried just as much as Metal, if not more. Once Metal got taken out, Eggman was hosed.
Honestly my thought was if Wily and Eggman or even an Eggman Vs Neo Cortex she would be an absolute menace against the two of them.
Honestly sage had a lot more she could’ve done but the budget probably just wouldn’t allow itb
Sage can command the titans
Sage did operate the Death Egg tho. Heck, I don't doubt she would've operated the Time Eater too. She didn't get much time to shine.
@@djaxeman2424She did technically kill Bowser. If it weren’t for the transmutation and Dry Bowser, she likely could’ve kept on firing the death egg or she could’ve pulled out another machine.
thanks for clipping my favorite death battle bowser VS Metal Sonic
This wouldve been over If Kamek Didnd tdisable Metals Biodata copy thing🙏
Bowser Got the "Caring dad" Power up To defeat him ... litteraly 😅😂
Bowser vs Metal Sonic (ft. Eggman and Sage) was pretty sick!
Metal sonic It's like the typical player in the game who carries his entire team until they manage to kill him and the team is practically lost.
Mans the player on the team thats carrying the game while raging at his team in the chat
They didn't even give him overlord😭
Metal Sonic could've teleported away from the laser via chaos controll....
Or just dodge it
Frankly, the way Metal was moving in this fight, if Eggman just gave him the emeralds and told him and Sage to cook, he absolutely could’ve won this war. But Eggman doesn’t trust his creations to do the work without being able to stroke his ego for the world to see.
@@God-xd1wrtbh no
They would have had an early advantage at best
But it would make bowser use his OP abilities quicker
Specially the abilities from wonder and well yeah. Yk the rest too many to list
They were cooked anyhow
Best they could do is an early lead and at the end they get cooked
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I dunno, bro. Being an entity comparable to Sonic in terms of speed, Metal practically had eons to decide how and when to cut Bowsers army at the neck. And Sage, while having millions of plans to formulate with potentially billions variables, only needs to find a way to eliminate those extra variables from the equation. Once she has that, only one or two plans out of her millions of calculations actually need to be effective.
But, while it would be in character for Eggman to take an easy win against Bowser, only really using his more elaborate setups for Sonic due to their rivalry, it wouldn’t make for an engaging narrative or a fun battle between Bowser and Eggman.
Best character in all of fiction
Eggman was definitely missing a lot of stuff, but even if he had it all, he blew it once Jr got hurt
So far at what I'm seeing, people aren't actually arguing about this. That's how peak this death battle was.
The fact that Metal was more useful than Infinity (probably in the top 5 Sonic strongest villains) is crazy
Neo Metal has altered my brain chemistry ngl. Brian Drummond's voice work for Neo is top notch, I need him to come back for it if they ever have Neo again
The beam didnt kill him, the weight he carried for his team did
As wrong as the verdict is. The song and animation was cool.
Metal should have been there when Orbot Cubot & Sage were joining the Koopa Troop.
Metal has carried eggman twice now. GOAT
R.I.P goat metal😢
Let's be real.
Kamek and Metal Sonic carried the entire team, while Sage and Bowser Junior acted as the Trump Cards.
Bowser just acted like any leader should while Eggman cowered in his tank.
friendly reminder that eggman (in the animation) likely only lost because metal sonic got fucked over by chance time.
that "i hate kids!" was personal
Man its like fighting a team battle with you being the only good player with half the score from your team & then suddenly losing connection.
i like how every time a sonic cast loses in their superform its cuz of a extremely low time limit which is so not true
plus how many of yall think bowser jr head should have come clean off when neo landed the spindash on him
Let's just call this what it really is. Metal Sonic vs. Bowser's army.
He was the best character in this episode to be honest
Neo metal sonic would've obliterated Bowser and his army by his dolo.
Ironically Bowser basically carried his own army. They were running support for him.
I may have rooted for Bowser from the start but METAL ABSOLUTELY COOKED 🔥🙏
I swear this was more of a Bowser vs Metal Sonic fight, than a Bowser vs Eggman fight 😂
That battle really could've been Bowser vs Metal Sonic as individuals. However, I'm glad that didn't happen because that means we got the glorious image of Infinite bested by a Thwomp.
bowsers beam kinda looked like the ones in super smash brothers ultimate world of light opening cutscene.
1:07 sorry sage, but that was a dumb idea
Yeah throwing your allies is generally not a good idea.
But I'll give her the benefit of the doubt so maybe those robots were too damaged to properly fight.
The girl had nothing else to hack.
For someone who _could_ have contributed as much as Metal did, they really did not let Sage do much.
(A pattern from Eggman's side that, even if the conclusion were ultimately accurate, doesn't actually leave me convinced Bowser wins. Which is just unfair to both of them really.)
It isn’t that bad of an idea. She could’ve been trying to distract Bowser with the explosions and smoke long enough for Eggman to do something.
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But fail
Shame he's back gave out at the end.
Bro they need to bring Neo Metal Sonic back. The concept of Metal Sonic being the main villain is too cool of an idea to leave for one single game, let alone how it was executed in Sonic Heroes
Metal sonic was a menace but bowser’s support is just insane 🔥🔥🔥🔥
This is why he’s the metal overlord
They should’ve included Metal Overlord and the Deadly Six.
Didn’t the Deadly Six try and kill Eggman? At least Metal is willing to work with him, they betrayed him the first chance they got.
@@treehouseoffun1242 Well sure, but a big reason Bowser took the Army stat is because his Army's more loyal & coordinated. If you're doing that, you may as well give Eggman the minions who were disloyal to show that working against him.
As it stands, they kind of filtered out everyone who wasn't perfectly loyal to Eggman and then still docked him marks for having a disloyal army. That seems off to me.
@@GiftOfKnowledge-np9vgthe problem is that the deadly six aren’t allied or like eggman they’d betray his army the first chance they get there actually enemies for eggman if eggman is seen controlling the zeti the conch kamek, king boo, or even bowser would either seal it away in a painting or just outright steal it with magic
@@FatalGod404 Eh maybe; though there's something to be said for making copies with the Phantom Ruby if Infinite had tired to use it for more than...some kind of gravity attack? Dude could've sat back & summoned an army but no, he had to draw attention and waste one of the Eggpire's best resources (which Eggman only brought one of for some reason). Dude deserves all the ridicule.
Still though, there were allies who worked willing with with Eggman for a time & were only _ultimately_ disloyal that they could've given him; like Chaos, Shadow, Nack, Trip, the HardBoiled team, etc. I'm just saying, if you're docking points for him having disloyal guys, fill out his team with disloyal guys.
@@GiftOfKnowledge-np9vgI feel like the issue with doing that is that it would just kinda be unfair for both sides and not fun to watch. The fight would go from “bowser vs Eggman” to “a bunch of people fighting to save their own ass.” Probably why they killed off Metal before he became Overlord, besides possible budget and time constraints. He would just be fighting for himself rather than Eggman.
Little upset metal overlord didn’t make an appearance
I need that Neo vs Cell battle now, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccckkkkkk
One thing though. If kamek’s manipulation magic is so powerful, how come he and bowser always lose to two guys that just jump?
Game logic. If Eggman’s phantom ruby could make whatever he wanted, why didn’t he just make a clone of super sonic? Same reason.
@ yeah … but then again the phantom ruby was … kind of just screwy in general. Like it made no sense in anything. Like one says it creates things, another says it alters perception and it’s not real or something so-
@@yellowhawk01 Same can be said for Mario and Luigi. One second they’re fighting off universal-multiversal forces and the next they struggle fighting against a large caterpillar.
@@treehouseoffun1242 well on the player’s end that is a skill issue … plus there is not canonical scale as to how strong Mario and Luigi are. With or without powerups
And with the phantom Ruby it was established as a powerful gem across 2 games (forces and mania) it’s just one is confusing and the other we don’t have scaling for
nah forget all hail shadow they need to be hailing metal for this ten out of ten pristine performance he was practically soloing the entire fight if bowser didn’t use the star it would have been a wrap
Now do infinite carrying absolutely no one for 8 seconds straight
Infinite probably got the most kills on the Eggman Empire even on those 8 seconds
0:39 "Move, -dad- doctor!"
No time eater is crazy
He showed up in the analysis, even if he did get one-shot, or one wished I guess, by Dreamy Bowser.
What sucks is how they didn't bother to give metal sonic his other forms of Metal Overlord and when he turned into a dragon.
They probably wanted to but it probably had to be cut due to time constraints and budget. They wanted to include all of the Koopalings but they had to be cut.
Bowser vs Metal featuring eggman
Me thinking infinite would make me proud and best the weak allegations:
Metal needs a well deserved vacation break
Was hoping he transformed into his Metal Overlord form.
If I remember correctly, Paper Mario is actually canon to the Mario games whereas Archie Comics are it’s own continuity, meaning well why Bowser won
I mean honestly the crazy scaling from Game Sonic is pretty close to the crazy scaling from Archie Sonic, and frankly more impressive than the crazy scaling from Paper Mario anyway. But, even if it wasn't nearly as bad as Mario vs sonic 2, DB did still kind of lowball both series _way_ below either of these crazy scaling highs for this fight.
So I'm honestly not really walking away from this fight thinking of it as at all accurate; but just as a fun romp with great animation & fire music. Sometime that's all a Death Battle episode ends up being and you've got to accept that.
the MVP of the whole fight, wasn't even going all out too I think (could've copied Kamek or Bowser's bio data and gone Metal Overlord maybe, though maybe he couldn't since he was too preoccupied wiping the floor with Bowser's army ... wait a minute, where are the Koopalings?)
The animation is incredible and the battle is extremely hype, but its hard to believe. They wanted to make sure to push every potential advantage the Mario universe could have had but completely downplayed Sage who could have been piloting Supreme for this fight. Kamek and JR should have been taken out promptly with their lack of actual feats, but instead they allowed JR to tank a direct hit he should have had no business surviving. Follow that up with Metal dieing in a controversial way and if the bias wasn't obvious theb well... Did you know JR can transmute something in space the size of a moon? Yeah, nobody did. It should have quickly become a triple team against Bowser but they really wanked his allies while downplaying Sage as another exteemely serious threat.
0:13 valid crashout
If Metal went Overlord Bowser would have been Cooked💀
Hey, that means Metal’s lore accurate.
Super Neo Metal Sonic lost against Fury Bowser because he didn’t mash hard enough for the quick time events from the Sonic Frontiers Titan fights
All of that without Metal either going Overlord or copying Bowser's power with Copycat
Imagine if he did both
Metal is the MVP of this Death Battle
They really nerfed sage in this, and the power of the chaos emeralds. And metal with his ability to copy opponents stats and move like Emerl.
Its still a huge lowball, as Metal can easily negg Bowser and his army, but plot of Death Battle fights won't let him show how powerful he is, so Metal die from cringe...
When I watched it I was wondering why he didnt pull out Metal Maddness or Overlord, but then I remebered those forms needed tons of data from the Sonic cast, which Metal couldnt replicate. Even if he could, I dont think he wouldve won the beam struggle with Bowser.
He had so much aura dude
One thing I didn't understand in the video was that one part where they talk about Eggman destroying stars
Because didn't Sonic beat Emerl who copied that amount of power? So that means that machines like the Egg Dragoon and others should scale to that
They did explain how base Bowser was already just as strong, if not stronger, than machines like the egg dragoon through, of all things, Yoshi scaling.
@@treehouseoffun1242 but they ignored stuff like how they are capable of fighting Solaris at mutiple points of time
Or how the Chaos Emeralds were going to colide the dimensions in one of the Sonic Rush games
Or how Eggman could also steal stuff like Kamek by using chaos control
Or how they talk about Yoshi turning a enemy into a star constelation, but don't consider stuff like Sonic restoring time in Generations
And these are just some issues I can think on the fly
@ Well I don’t think Eggman or his machines have ever fought Solaris meaning that they likely don’t scale fully to it. The original Japanese version of Mario galaxy apparently says the galaxies are actually entire universes and the black hole Bowser survived destroyed and remade all of them meaning that colliding dimensions isn’t anything new to him. And Sonic only restored time with his speed, not his power, meaning that Eggman likely doesn’t scale to that. Raphael exploded into a constellation because he was hit by Yoshi. And, at least to my knowledge, unlike chaos control, Magikoopas in general could steal Eggman’s items, including the chaos emeralds.
@@treehouseoffun1242 but what about his machines that fought Super Sonic though?
Also you said that Sonic restored time with his speed not power, that's true but like, the faster you hit the stronger the hit is
And I don't really see why chaos control can't steal stuff like Magikoopas, just teleport something and done, they could even do that on a larger scale, like with the Space Conlony Ark in SA2
Btw, you say the Mario galaxies are like entire universes, even though they look pretty small
@ Super Sonic’s invulnerability makes it hard to tell how strong the robots he’s fighting with are. At least with base Sonic, we have some amount of durability feats to scale their power to, Super Sonic just doesn’t take damage and is, at best, pushed back by their attacks. Bowser could also just transmute them with his magic or wonder flower or decide they don’t exist anymore with the dream stone.
Yeah but that doesn’t seem to be the case with Sonic, and most fictional characters in general. There’s numerous times where, if we did use that logic, his attacks would be way stronger than they are or way weaker than they should be.
Because Eggman’s emeralds could be stolen from him while you can’t really stop the magikoopas from stealing them. Stealing their wands isn’t going to help since they can just summon them back to their hands and retry their magic. Even if Eggman were to try and kill the magikoopas outright, they could simply teleport away, teleport his attacks away, transmute his attacks, or simply make fake clones to take the hit for them.
They look small but, apparently, they’re entire universes. At least, according to the Japanese version.