Yessir! My church purchased the Yamaha Stage Burch (Orange) a year ago. I put some Evans 360 heads on them and they sound amazing! They look good too. Highly recommended set and the most affordable for a church setting. 😎👌🏾🔥
this man has changed my life. i used to be one of those young always wanting to go fast type of drummer lol but now this man has changed my whole perspective. YOURE TO GOAT BEATDOWN BROWN!!
I bought a Yamaha Stage Custom set and donated it to my church. Bought all new hardware, the Zildjian K Gospel cymbal set, and upgraded the heads. Bought myself a DW Collector's snare, DW 9000 foot pedal, and a basic DW throne. Money well spent.
One thing that wasn’t mentioned but is a MUST is a tech/musician BUDGET! As a church installer, I see too many churches that have broken and outdated gear and instrument components. This was a tough discussion for even me at my church. I’ve been to too many churches that are playing on 5 year old drum heads, guitar cabs with buzzy tubes, blown speakers etc. Try to ensure that your church has a MINIMUM budget of $2k a year specifically for your team to use for repair, maintenance, and upgrades. The better your gear performs, the more comfortable your team will be. Your focus then shifts from tech concerns to pure worship without worry of if your gear will make it through the set!
So true. My church has gone through this for years playing on old equipment. It wasn't until a year ago, the church invested in new equipment and recently got a new drumset a few months ago. Boy was I happy since I get to play on it now instead of patching up the old set we had. The drumheads that were replaced on the old set are still relatively new so maybe they can replace the stock heads on the new set once they wear out. The congregation has noticed a huge difference now in how the worship team sounds. I have received many compliments on how great everyone sounds.
Bought a 5 piece Mapex Meridian Birch Bespeckled, almost new. Has Remo heads. Then upgraded the cymbals to Zildjian K 22 inch custom ride, (still will swap for a 20 inch) Zildjian A 18 inch crash and a sweet Sabian AAX 13 inch hi hat. My budget was £500 and I done it via flipping a haul of expensive cymbals, kept the ones we wanted (K ride and 18 inch A custom crash) and also selling off our old Pearl Forum. If you want breakdown, reply to this comment.
A lot of Rob valuable information pertains to more than just Church drums. It extends into other situations as well. I line up with you Rob on all of these things but take issue with the double kick pedal in church period when I played in church I had a double kick. I even asked the pastor if you was okay with double bass. He said sure period double bass triple bass whatever you got LOL. and I was able to work it into some songs very nicely.
Your recommendations are right over home plate for a church kit. What about the mics though? I assumed the $5k would include mics. Ohhhhh, I smell a part 2?
I am getting the 5 piece Yamaha custom birch for $750 which is budget for my church, but they have given me the freedom to buy add on pieces, drum heads, and mics for the kit.
I bought a Sonor Force 2000 for my church about 15 years ago. From memory it cost about $1,000 AUD for a 6-piece kit with hardware. Also got an Istanbul cymbal pack for about $600 AUD and a Tama First Chair throne. Replaced the heads a couple of times but still using that kit 15 years later in a one-up, one-down setup. It’s a Silver Sparkle wrap that’s matured to more of a Champagne Gold. We now play behind a plexiglass screen and use Roland triggers on each batter head and they sound awesome out front and on recordings. Now that I think about it, I’m playing this kit in my profile pic.
PDP is fantastic for a very affordable kit. I’ve played in so many churches that have them, and they always sound way better than their price tag. Throw some Evans UV2s or EC2s on them, and listen to them sing. A PDP Concept Maple kit would be my absolute floor for a drum kit. If your church can’t afford that, you have bigger problems. If you’re wanting to spend a little more, the DW Design Series is really great for the price. If you have a larger budget, Sonor SQ1, Ludwig Classic, or Gretsch Renown are amazing. If money means absolutely nothing to you, Sonar SQ2 and DW Customs are the way to go.
I took my own cymbals when I played for the Church services, 22" ping cymbal, 17" medium crash, 16" thin crash, 16" extra thin and a 12" Sound Control crash, all Sabian cymbals. As far as the drums went, the Church had a Tama kit,7 piece with concert toms.
This if fantastic and very helpful. As a beginner/intermediate player that has played with a very basic and cheap kit, I am now very much wanting to upgrade for my church but have found it hard to know where to begin. Thanks from all the way down in Australia.
rob im loving the new video formats, just the quality is beyond all the other ones! The video quality is finally on par with the content quality. Keep up the good work
Great video. I am a long time (25 years) church music director currently overseeing two churches and this is good advice. For churches concerned with drums being too loud (which is probably most churches), I would advise going with thin crash cymbals. The quietest I've found are the Zildjian K custom fast crashes which just happen to come in the Zildjian worship cymbal pack. Also going for a lower more muffled tuning on the snare can help keep the overall perception of loudness from getting out of hand.
One reason why a church might want to spend the extra $ for a high end kit (like DW) or other nice stage gear is if they are looking to attract good musicians.
Brother robb I don't get to talk to you much I just want to say. You're such a good teacher and master at this kit. Hope you receive more blessing as you are blessing others. Stay safe buddy. And if you ever ever come to the bay area. Kit me up
I have an old set of Yamaha Stage Custom Standards from the mid 90s and I still love them. I also have DW Collecter's series and Mapex Saturn but I'll take the Yamaha's to a gig now and then and they sound fantastic.. For the price, that series is a no brainer.
Hey rob i play a dw design acrylic kit it was 1500 and man let me tell you those drums are phenomenal for all situations. So the "dollars wasted", love it btw, ill agree with but those are worth it. And for cymbals wow i can't begin to tell you how right you are. Cheap cymbals = cheap sound. I play paiste 2002s. But even the pst7 would be great for any application. Ive been playing for 27 years and heads make all the difference in the world. Aquarian force ten coated batter and classic clear reso. Man you nailed it for what makes a good kit sound great. Love the vids man
I have been following you for a little while now. You sir are the bomb! I so enjoy your videos and have learned tons! As a church drummer, I for the most part, am not thrilled with the task at hand. But, that being said, it's nice to learn new grooves and fills that work most awesome in that goofy music environment. Thanks again!
I was tasked with purchasing a full kit for my church maybe 8 years ago. My wife and I had just started going to our local Methodist Church and they had a praise band. They found out that I played drums and asked me if I would join and get a suitable kit. It is only a smallish church and they gave me a budget. A friend of mine owned a drum shop so I went to see him. I ended up with a Ludwig Questlove 4 piece and some budget Paiste cymbals. It is certainly ok for what they need it for. If I brought my own Tama/Zildjian rig it would take up the whole sanctuary and there would be no where for the minister/preacher to go. lol
I just bought a set of Gretsch Catalina Maples new for $999. They sound amazing, and look phenomenal too! And get the real value for your money and buy used cymbals wherever possible.
Rob, can you set everyone straight about acoustic vs electronic in the church? I have my own experience and opinions but yours is the one that matters.
I personally don't feel that electric kits are versatile enough yet. You can't use brushes, you can't sizzle the hats, you can't circle on the cymbals (don't know the name of that technique), you can't hit the sides of the drums, and ghost names are harder to get right with the sensitivity. I know there are kits costing over $10000 (at least where I am) that may have solutions to these, but its beyond most church's budgets. Also got to factor in the sound desk's ability to control the sound, and if the electronic kit takes too much control away from them and just gives them a pre-processed signal. Also image is a factor, acoustic just has an image electric doesn't. As for noise, well its an auditorium about to have a worship set pumped through a PA, nobody is expecting silence.
I will always recommend looking for a good second hand kit to save some money, perhaps allowing for a nicer snare. However, never skimp on the cymbals Most manufacturers offer cymbal packs offering great value for the basic setup. Zildjian even do a dedicated Worship and Gospel packs.
I'm currently playing a Yamaha YD (10 &12 RT, 14 FT 14 x5 Snare & 20 DB) (which bought second hand for less than £300 including some hardware) I recently found a matching 16 FT to make it a six piece. As it stays in the church it made sense to have something that was not too valuable. I sometimes use my Pearl Custom Alloy snare (13 x 5.5). Zildjian A Custom crashes and splash and 13" K/Z hats and 20" K ride, which I have owned for years. If money was no obstacle I would perhaps now change the cymbals to K's, but alas there is no such thing as a church budget for such things.
Hey Rob, saw your video for Paiste earlier! For a brief moment I thought they were announcing the launch of a "Beatdown" Brown signature series... maybe one day soon 😁
I love this guy he throws all the BS in the bin and tells you how it is and he’s telling you the absolute 100 percent truth , I used to own a Dollers wasted kit and although it was ok I was never really happy with it, now I play a cheaper kit I’m happy with it . thanks Rob 🙏
I think this is the best church drum recommendation video - thanks! Love that you didn't suggest thin shells, large bass drums, and really thin and huge Heartbeat cymbals. Nothing against any of those things - but this advice is just much more practical :-)
i ended up with roland td 17kvx i can turn the volume to suit it has the software to reproduce every drum every cymbal ever made including all percussion instruments not to mention its always in tune second hand less than $1000
Buddy I open this video because there was an pearl visión on the cover... I have a pearl visión.. so.. I'm here glad to know some drummer can still talk good about that set.. This video is good still to people whose not in church.. The pearl visión have not super hoops ..just basic hoops... 👉Have to upgrade the hoops of the pearl visión snare?
Super late comment here, but I have specifically requested a double pedal for one reason. I was in the middle of song one of the first set when the screw that connects the chain to the footboard actually broke. I ended up having to kick the beater into the head to get any sound. I now want a double pedal as a backup in case this happens again 😂.....oddly specific, but apparently it can happen!
If anyone wants an extra opinion here’s mine. If your church plays lot of ccm I highly recommend the pdp concept maple classic. Sounds amazing and is affordable. Cymbals can’t be tuned so like Rob said don’t skip on cymbals. Cymbals are often an issue in churches bc of how loud they are due to their high frequencies. I recommend you guys to look into Heartbeat cymbals. They make really good hand made turk cymbals at a great price, with great warranty, and with the church in mind so many of their cymbals are on thinner side and therefore quieter than most cymbals out there. To put it into context their 24” light rides are about 2700g while a 24” zildjian k “light” ride is about 3300g Also a 6.5 brass snare works for everything IMO does that big fat slushy ccm snare sound really good up to being cranked for gospel. A Ludwig black beauty is top but there is many clones like a pork pie BOB.
GREAT video! The two Churches that I play at have REALLY different kits... Church n1 has a set of DW Performance Series, 5 piece (they occasionally use the second floor tom, I wish they would use the second one, I LOVE floor toms) They have Evans heads that are SUPER dry w/ gels and gaff, and a couple of Meinl/Dream pies. Church N2, has “church birch” Yamaha Stage Custom...w/ Evans EC2s and Heartbeat Cymbals! I frequently NEVER use the 10” rack tom, but am contemplating using it as a main rack, and then the 12” as a floor tom... Anyway both kits sound great, and kit n2 I have a LOT of freedom in how I tune it, muffle it, set it up ect!
My own personal drum I use is Yamaha birch custom raven black color. And Sabian cymbals all top of line AA 16”med thin crash ,vault crash 16” , AA medium crash 16” , HH 8” splash , B8 pro china splash 10” , 14” pro china , and 14” B8 china crash on top of 16” B8 pro thin crash use as a stack cymbals. And B8 pro 14” hi-hat Love all my cymbals. Remo coated emperor.. My snare is Lugwig breakbeat black w/ clear dot sound control. My mean snare is a cheap 10” x 6” griffin I customize this snare it’s my favorite. Sounds fabulous. I can get 3 different sounds out of it. I replaced the top hoop was bent put on a 2.3mm hoop w/ coated dot control. I get great response from people on that snare. Double pedal Yamaha and matching hi-hat stand. And Gibraltar rack. Mic I forgot the brand. This is what I play at church. 🥁
One of the churches I play for before they bought a new set i told one lady that a drum kit in the 800 range is good enough they're some tama imperial star and they sound awesome
We had my Ludwig Elements birch 6 piece kit at our church. Now, I never knew what the temperature would be in the church. And the my Ludwigs would sound like garbage if the temperature was 2 degrees off from what it was when I tuned them. We upgraded to DW Collectors ebony stain 4 piece and added a Mapex black panther snare. The DW's will hold tune way way better than the Ludwigs did. Now if I were to do it over, I probably would have gotten a set of PDP concept drums for much much less and sound great. Now I made a mistake and went the wrong direction on cymbals. I got Sabian XS20's we will be upgrading soon. The XS20's are pretty heavy for our church. They get us by. But I do regret getting them.
Things are slightly different over here in Europe ... ;) I'm using my own kit! Mapex Meridian Maple, 13x7 Mapex black panther blaster snare, paiste dark crisp hats, masters dark ride, and various signature crashes and splashes on rotation.
Ours uses Heartbeat Epic 16HH/19/21/24. That 24 is a glorified crash. I’ve swapped my 24 masters deep ride prototype and 24 masters thin for it before and received the sweetest smokiest stick
How about a Kit for beginners or almost OK drummers? Just like golf clubs, expensive clubs won't make you a better player, but really cheap ones will make it more difficult to learn the basics.
Truth! Mid-range kits with good heads is all you need. At my church, I've played the same Pearl set for over 20 years. I bring in my own Zildian Ks, though. We have As, but they're way too bright for my ears. And whoever had the 'bright' idea to get a 13" A custom hat was just wrong. Only Vinnie and Chambers can pull those off. 😳 🤣
@@hiptoalieu Cool! I've made a 16" hat, pairing my K crash and with my church's A crash. It sounds pretty cool, especially if put my shells on top of it. But there's something about the 14"s that I like more.
I have a td17 and a Yamaha stage custom and I love em both. if I had to pick between Es or acoustic it would come down to looks.......sounds weird but it's true.
Love the video! What if you are not mic'ing the drums? How can you get something appropriate for acoustic drum performances that doesn't blow out the room? Is there such a thing? Can do that by adding foam to the heads? What do you do for cymbals? Something that might be for small room gigs....just curious. Thanks, be safe!
I have a Yamaha stage custom and I love it except for one lug on each rack tom which I easily fixed. I put remo clear control dot batters and was amazed. I wonder if changing the resos would be justified? It took a little tinkering-ok it took a lot-but I got the stock kick heads to sound kinda good. I like the tinkering.
I donated my Simmons SD500 electronic drum set to my Church last week and offered to mentor any young drummer that may be interested in playing for the Lord.
Great video! I totally agree with you, the kit at my church is not as nice as my DW performance kit I picked up as my first kit this Christmas. While the DW was more than my skill level requires at this point, it was my dream kit in the Tabacco Satin and I couldn't pass up the deal for the entire kit I put together. Ha ha ha... I love the no double petal comment. Someone asked me if I would play for the church once my skill was at the level to do so, I told them only if they let my play a double petal, probably will not be asked again. I personally love the harder Christian rock and metal groups. Looking foward to really digging in and learning how to play once my schedule opens in a couple of months, and also look foward to learning from your information both past and future.
Hey Rob what's you opinion on getting a 10 inch popcorn/firecracker type snare for the side? Was thinking of getting one to try out on my kit (not for church) but wondering how it will sound or if it's even worth getting it or a waste of time. I like adding to the kit to try new stuff out. I value your opinion bro. Thanks
I dont know how large your church is but $5k is a crazy budget for just the drum kit! I thought that was the budget for the whole band! I’m trying to donate my old kit to the church and buy the DDrum Hybrid kit for home. What do you think about that kit acoustically? I must say aswell that just because you get a double kick doesn’t mean it has to be used. But…I think you should hit ‘em with some kick rolls every now and then for Jesus! Nothing wrong with blowing minds during service!
Even if you are not a church player there is no need to buy a mega expensive high end kit, like Rob said the mics wont notice the difference or the front house engineer. Just buy good heads and tune the drums well.
tbh i think tha best budget/Quality drums at least for a drumset in church, it's a Pearl Decade Maple with Evans drumheads i think it's tha most slept on Drumset even for a church for tha price and i'm stickin' with no less than 5 piece (6 piece if tha 5 piece combo is 10, 12, 16 which i'm not much of a fan of unless it includes a 14 inch toms) however my cymbal of choice, always Zildjian and drum throne always Roc-n-Soc Lunar series however i'd rather have a heavy Ride, because it's called a Ride for a reason not a crash! :P and idc how mad they would get at me for wanting aftermarket heads for Evans G2 Clear on tha toms and Emad on a bass drum because i'm tired of pillows lol
"If your drummer comes and asks for a DW kit, just smack him in the head!" LMAO :D
Lol “If your church drummer has a double pedal kick him off” 😂 😆 🤣. Thanks for the video Rob!
A church shouldn’t even have drums. It should have a piano or an organ or both.
@@ManMan-fv2ko popular concert church😌
@@ManMan-fv2ko why? Drums were in the bibke
@@theraise5243 Church service shouldn’t be a pop or rock concert.
@@ManMan-fv2ko who said it should be? Should it be jazz since jazz includes piano and organ?
Yessir! My church purchased the Yamaha Stage Burch (Orange) a year ago. I put some Evans 360 heads on them and they sound amazing! They look good too. Highly recommended set and the most affordable for a church setting. 😎👌🏾🔥
this man has changed my life. i used to be one of those young always wanting to go fast type of drummer lol but now this man has changed my whole perspective. YOURE TO GOAT BEATDOWN BROWN!!
Thanks man ✌🏽🙂
Haven’t watched the video yet but the Stage Custom has to be mentioned in this. Good ole Church Birch.
'Church Birch'. That's good. lol
Church birch lol
“Church Birch”...I’m SO using that (giving you 100% credit of course).❤️
God bless the birch sets 😁
I bought a Yamaha Stage Custom set and donated it to my church. Bought all new hardware, the Zildjian K Gospel cymbal set, and upgraded the heads. Bought myself a DW Collector's snare, DW 9000 foot pedal, and a basic DW throne. Money well spent.
One thing that wasn’t mentioned but is a MUST is a tech/musician BUDGET! As a church installer, I see too many churches that have broken and outdated gear and instrument components. This was a tough discussion for even me at my church. I’ve been to too many churches that are playing on 5 year old drum heads, guitar cabs with buzzy tubes, blown speakers etc. Try to ensure that your church has a MINIMUM budget of $2k a year specifically for your team to use for repair, maintenance, and upgrades. The better your gear performs, the more comfortable your team will be. Your focus then shifts from tech concerns to pure worship without worry of if your gear will make it through the set!
So true. My church has gone through this for years playing on old equipment. It wasn't until a year ago, the church invested in new equipment and recently got a new drumset a few months ago. Boy was I happy since I get to play on it now instead of patching up the old set we had. The drumheads that were replaced on the old set are still relatively new so maybe they can replace the stock heads on the new set once they wear out. The congregation has noticed a huge difference now in how the worship team sounds. I have received many compliments on how great everyone sounds.
The issue is there’s tons of churches that barely have a budget of 10k a year for a pastor. Mines one of them
Bought a 5 piece Mapex Meridian Birch Bespeckled, almost new. Has Remo heads. Then upgraded the cymbals to Zildjian K 22 inch custom ride, (still will swap for a 20 inch) Zildjian A 18 inch crash and a sweet Sabian AAX 13 inch hi hat.
My budget was £500 and I done it via flipping a haul of expensive cymbals, kept the ones we wanted (K ride and 18 inch A custom crash) and also selling off our old Pearl Forum.
If you want breakdown, reply to this comment.
I have an old broken DW set. The only thing holding it together is prayer and the Holy Spirit.
This video is perfect for not only church players, but the local bar basher needing a kit too.
You’re the master of all things drums knowledge!🤘🏻🔥
Thanks man 🙂🙏🏽
Right! The drums don't know if they're in a church or a strip joint.
Just purchased a Yamaha Stage custom in white for my church, sounds amazing! Added some Zildjian K's/A's couldn't be more happier!
A lot of Rob valuable information pertains to more than just Church drums. It extends into other situations as well. I line up with you Rob on all of these things but take issue with the double kick pedal in church period when I played in church I had a double kick. I even asked the pastor if you was okay with double bass. He said sure period double bass triple bass whatever you got LOL. and I was able to work it into some songs very nicely.
Your recommendations are right over home plate for a church kit. What about the mics though? I assumed the $5k would include mics. Ohhhhh, I smell a part 2?
Your the best drum instructor bro 💯
Thanks, man 👊🏾🙂
I am getting the 5 piece Yamaha custom birch for $750 which is budget for my church, but they have given me the freedom to buy add on pieces, drum heads, and mics for the kit.
I bought a Sonor Force 2000 for my church about 15 years ago. From memory it cost about $1,000 AUD for a 6-piece kit with hardware. Also got an Istanbul cymbal pack for about $600 AUD and a Tama First Chair throne. Replaced the heads a couple of times but still using that kit 15 years later in a one-up, one-down setup. It’s a Silver Sparkle wrap that’s matured to more of a Champagne Gold. We now play behind a plexiglass screen and use Roland triggers on each batter head and they sound awesome out front and on recordings. Now that I think about it, I’m playing this kit in my profile pic.
PDP is fantastic for a very affordable kit. I’ve played in so many churches that have them, and they always sound way better than their price tag. Throw some Evans UV2s or EC2s on them, and listen to them sing. A PDP Concept Maple kit would be my absolute floor for a drum kit. If your church can’t afford that, you have bigger problems.
If you’re wanting to spend a little more, the DW Design Series is really great for the price.
If you have a larger budget, Sonor SQ1, Ludwig Classic, or Gretsch Renown are amazing.
If money means absolutely nothing to you, Sonar SQ2 and DW Customs are the way to go.
Sonor SQ2 And pdp concept maple are both around 1200 dlls...which one you recommend more?
I love you Rob. I've been watching your channel for a while now and you are amazing man. You got fans from Iran. You're the GOAT.
But how am I supposed to play my 200 bpm blast beats during donations Rob? ;)
We have 6 peice oak red pearl.with Evans and Paiste cymbals
I took my own cymbals when I played for the Church services, 22" ping cymbal, 17" medium crash, 16" thin crash, 16" extra thin and a 12" Sound Control crash, all Sabian cymbals. As far as the drums went, the Church had a Tama kit,7 piece with concert toms.
This if fantastic and very helpful. As a beginner/intermediate player that has played with a very basic and cheap kit, I am now very much wanting to upgrade for my church but have found it hard to know where to begin. Thanks from all the way down in Australia.
This has been great information. I now have the Yamaha custom stage birch for my church.
DW does make other kits that aren’t the Collectors Series: Performance and Design Series. Both are great series and are affordable.
Great timing,I just purchased my first acoustic kit. You answered a lot of questions I had. Thank you!
rob im loving the new video formats, just the quality is beyond all the other ones! The video quality is finally on par with the content quality. Keep up the good work
Sweetwater!!!!! I shop from Sweetwater. Great company.
Great video. I am a long time (25 years) church music director currently overseeing two churches and this is good advice. For churches concerned with drums being too loud (which is probably most churches), I would advise going with thin crash cymbals. The quietest I've found are the Zildjian K custom fast crashes which just happen to come in the Zildjian worship cymbal pack. Also going for a lower more muffled tuning on the snare can help keep the overall perception of loudness from getting out of hand.
One reason why a church might want to spend the extra $ for a high end kit (like DW) or other nice stage gear is if they are looking to attract good musicians.
Brother robb I don't get to talk to you much I just want to say. You're such a good teacher and master at this kit. Hope you receive more blessing as you are blessing others. Stay safe buddy. And if you ever ever come to the bay area. Kit me up
I have an old set of Yamaha Stage Custom Standards from the mid 90s and I still love them. I also have DW Collecter's series and Mapex Saturn but I'll take the Yamaha's to a gig now and then and they sound fantastic.. For the price, that series is a no brainer.
Gotta love that subliminal Paiste image blink :D you are awesome Rob. Cheers from Finland.
Hey rob i play a dw design acrylic kit it was 1500 and man let me tell you those drums are phenomenal for all situations. So the "dollars wasted", love it btw, ill agree with but those are worth it. And for cymbals wow i can't begin to tell you how right you are. Cheap cymbals = cheap sound. I play paiste 2002s. But even the pst7 would be great for any application. Ive been playing for 27 years and heads make all the difference in the world. Aquarian force ten coated batter and classic clear reso. Man you nailed it for what makes a good kit sound great. Love the vids man
I have been following you for a little while now. You sir are the bomb! I so enjoy your videos and have learned tons! As a church drummer, I for the most part, am not thrilled with the task at hand. But, that being said, it's nice to learn new grooves and fills that work most awesome in that goofy music environment. Thanks again!
Just bought a 7 piece pdp kit for my son for Christmas. They sound great. The shell pack, hardware, throne, and cymbals cost about $2000.
Those PDP 7s are a nice package
EXCELLENT VIDEO @Rob Brown! My favorite line: "DW = Dollars Wasted".
Ludwig NeuSonic 3pc, 6.5" Black Beauty Snare, Heartbeat Cymbals...BUTTER!
also the one dislike is probably from the double pedal kid haha
Thanks, this video really helped me out for my church
I was tasked with purchasing a full kit for my church maybe 8 years ago. My wife and I had just started going to our local Methodist Church and they had a praise band. They found out that I played drums and asked me if I would join and get a suitable kit. It is only a smallish church and they gave me a budget. A friend of mine owned a drum shop so I went to see him. I ended up with a Ludwig Questlove 4 piece and some budget Paiste cymbals. It is certainly ok for what they need it for. If I brought my own Tama/Zildjian rig it would take up the whole sanctuary and there would be no where for the minister/preacher to go. lol
Just found your channel, instant Sub, great advice/lessons! How does this advice differ for equipping a garage-sized recording studio?
Love yah works beat down brown watching the 4800 love your knowledge you share brother
I just bought a set of Gretsch Catalina Maples new for $999. They sound amazing, and look phenomenal too! And get the real value for your money and buy used cymbals wherever possible.
Rob, can you set everyone straight about acoustic vs electronic in the church? I have my own experience and opinions but yours is the one that matters.
I personally don't feel that electric kits are versatile enough yet. You can't use brushes, you can't sizzle the hats, you can't circle on the cymbals (don't know the name of that technique), you can't hit the sides of the drums, and ghost names are harder to get right with the sensitivity. I know there are kits costing over $10000 (at least where I am) that may have solutions to these, but its beyond most church's budgets. Also got to factor in the sound desk's ability to control the sound, and if the electronic kit takes too much control away from them and just gives them a pre-processed signal. Also image is a factor, acoustic just has an image electric doesn't. As for noise, well its an auditorium about to have a worship set pumped through a PA, nobody is expecting silence.
This is exactly the sort of video needed, Thanks Rob.
Good tips! Thanks for the video!
I will always recommend looking for a good second hand kit to save some money, perhaps allowing for a nicer snare. However, never skimp on the cymbals Most manufacturers offer cymbal packs offering great value for the basic setup. Zildjian even do a dedicated Worship and Gospel packs.
I'm currently playing a Yamaha YD (10 &12 RT, 14 FT 14 x5 Snare & 20 DB) (which bought second hand for less than £300 including some hardware) I recently found a matching 16 FT to make it a six piece. As it stays in the church it made sense to have something that was not too valuable. I sometimes use my Pearl Custom Alloy snare (13 x 5.5). Zildjian A Custom crashes and splash and 13" K/Z hats and 20" K ride, which I have owned for years. If money was no obstacle I would perhaps now change the cymbals to K's, but alas there is no such thing as a church budget for such things.
Great video Rob! I haven't been a church drummer since the 80s but it's great info. Thanks! Nuge
Hey Rob, saw your video for Paiste earlier! For a brief moment I thought they were announcing the launch of a "Beatdown" Brown signature series... maybe one day soon 😁
I love this guy he throws all the BS in the bin and tells you how it is and he’s telling you the absolute 100 percent truth ,
I used to own a Dollers wasted kit and although it was ok I was never really happy with it, now I play a cheaper kit I’m happy with it .
thanks Rob 🙏
I think this is the best church drum recommendation video - thanks! Love that you didn't suggest thin shells, large bass drums, and really thin and huge Heartbeat cymbals. Nothing against any of those things - but this advice is just much more practical :-)
i ended up with roland td 17kvx i can turn the volume to suit it has the software to reproduce every drum every cymbal ever made including all percussion instruments not to mention its always in tune second hand less than $1000
Buddy I open this video because there was an pearl visión on the cover... I have a pearl visión.. so.. I'm here glad to know some drummer can still talk good about that set..
This video is good still to people whose not in church..
The pearl visión have not super hoops ..just basic hoops...
👉Have to upgrade the hoops of the pearl visión snare?
Super late comment here, but I have specifically requested a double pedal for one reason. I was in the middle of song one of the first set when the screw that connects the chain to the footboard actually broke. I ended up having to kick the beater into the head to get any sound. I now want a double pedal as a backup in case this happens again 😂.....oddly specific, but apparently it can happen!
If anyone wants an extra opinion here’s mine.
If your church plays lot of ccm I highly recommend the pdp concept maple classic. Sounds amazing and is affordable.
Cymbals can’t be tuned so like Rob said don’t skip on cymbals. Cymbals are often an issue in churches bc of how loud they are due to their high frequencies.
I recommend you guys to look into Heartbeat cymbals. They make really good hand made turk cymbals at a great price, with great warranty, and with the church in mind so many of their cymbals are on thinner side and therefore quieter than most cymbals out there. To put it into context their 24” light rides are about 2700g while a 24” zildjian k “light” ride is about 3300g
Also a 6.5 brass snare works for everything IMO does that big fat slushy ccm snare sound really good up to being cranked for gospel. A Ludwig black beauty is top but there is many clones like a pork pie BOB.
Solid Guide! Great content!
GREAT video! The two Churches that I play at have REALLY different kits...
Church n1 has a set of DW Performance Series, 5 piece (they occasionally use the second floor tom, I wish they would use the second one, I LOVE floor toms)
They have Evans heads that are SUPER dry w/ gels and gaff, and a
couple of Meinl/Dream pies.
Church N2, has “church birch” Yamaha Stage Custom...w/ Evans EC2s and Heartbeat Cymbals!
I frequently NEVER use the 10” rack tom, but am contemplating using it as a main rack, and then the 12” as a floor tom...
Anyway both kits sound great, and kit n2 I have a LOT of freedom in how I tune it, muffle it, set it up ect!
My own personal drum I use is Yamaha birch custom raven black color. And Sabian cymbals all top of line AA 16”med thin crash ,vault crash 16” , AA medium crash 16” , HH 8” splash , B8 pro china splash 10” , 14” pro china , and 14” B8 china crash on top of 16” B8 pro thin crash use as a stack cymbals. And B8 pro 14” hi-hat Love all my cymbals. Remo coated emperor..
My snare is Lugwig breakbeat black w/ clear dot sound control. My mean snare is a cheap 10” x 6” griffin I customize this snare it’s my favorite. Sounds fabulous. I can get 3 different sounds out of it. I replaced the top hoop was bent put on a 2.3mm hoop w/ coated dot control. I get great response from people on that snare. Double pedal Yamaha and matching hi-hat stand. And Gibraltar rack. Mic I forgot the brand. This is what I play at church. 🥁
One of the churches I play for before they bought a new set i told one lady that a drum kit in the 800 range is good enough they're some tama imperial star and they sound awesome
Played an Imperial Star kit at a church...
Used to dislike it...then they FINALLY changed the heads, sounded great!
We had my Ludwig Elements birch 6 piece kit at our church. Now, I never knew what the temperature would be in the church. And the my Ludwigs would sound like garbage if the temperature was 2 degrees off from what it was when I tuned them. We upgraded to DW Collectors ebony stain 4 piece and added a Mapex black panther snare. The DW's will hold tune way way better than the Ludwigs did. Now if I were to do it over, I probably would have gotten a set of PDP concept drums for much much less and sound great. Now I made a mistake and went the wrong direction on cymbals. I got Sabian XS20's we will be upgrading soon. The XS20's are pretty heavy for our church. They get us by. But I do regret getting them.
GREAT VIDEO..!!
good info for all of us...THANK YOU...!!
Bro! This video was great!
Yes master Jyjy Brown .
Thanks for sharing groove vives. And expériences.
Much love from Australia cuzz
Things are slightly different over here in Europe ... ;) I'm using my own kit! Mapex Meridian Maple, 13x7 Mapex black panther blaster snare, paiste dark crisp hats, masters dark ride, and various signature crashes and splashes on rotation.
D.W. - "Dollars Wasted" .. Genius :)
"Single pedal..." True Dat Rob! Facts!
"DW in this case stands for Dollars Wasted".........LOL.......That is the realest statement in this video
Well done Rob
I’m a Pearl/Zildjian user and even I know you go the Stage Custom/AAX route when you want to save money on a professional sound.
Thank you for this .. I heard about sweetwater do u also do sales
The Paiste link is the wrong item.. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for pointing that out, man. Corrected ✅
I got moved to percussion because I requested a double pedal. Haha! Just kidding! Great video as always, Rob!
Ours uses Heartbeat Epic 16HH/19/21/24. That 24 is a glorified crash. I’ve swapped my 24 masters deep ride prototype and 24 masters thin for it before and received the sweetest smokiest stick
DW = dollars wasted. How true, Rob. Great video.
Beat Down Brown has spoken
Rob...request please. Can you do a video on playing technique for doubles on a single pedal? I'm strugglin' my man !
There’s a detailed video on the channel regarding that topic. Cheggit out
How about a Kit for beginners or almost OK drummers? Just like golf clubs, expensive clubs won't make you a better player, but really cheap ones will make it more difficult to learn the basics.
Paiste PST7 are solid
Truth! Mid-range kits with good heads is all you need. At my church, I've played the same Pearl set for over 20 years. I bring in my own Zildian Ks, though. We have As, but they're way too bright for my ears. And whoever had the 'bright' idea to get a 13" A custom hat was just wrong. Only Vinnie and Chambers can pull those off. 😳 🤣
My church has house hats...they are SIXTEEN INCH!😆👍🏼👍🏼
@@hiptoalieu Cool! I've made a 16" hat, pairing my K crash and with my church's A crash. It sounds pretty cool, especially if put my shells on top of it. But there's something about the 14"s that I like more.
I love E drums just because I can determine the sound level without playing like a "child".
I have a td17 and a Yamaha stage custom and I love em both. if I had to pick between Es or acoustic it would come down to looks.......sounds weird but it's true.
Sounds like you need to have a talk with your drummers about dynamics. But I get where you’re coming from!
Harder to play quietly than loudly. Requires a drummer with more skill.
Love the video! What if you are not mic'ing the drums? How can you get something appropriate for acoustic drum performances that doesn't blow out the room? Is there such a thing? Can do that by adding foam to the heads? What do you do for cymbals? Something that might be for small room gigs....just curious. Thanks, be safe!
I have a Yamaha stage custom and I love it except for one lug on each rack tom which I easily fixed. I put remo clear control dot batters and was amazed. I wonder if changing the resos would be justified? It took a little tinkering-ok it took a lot-but I got the stock kick heads to sound kinda good. I like the tinkering.
what about the plexi shield ?
Dw design series is 950 after sales that’s pro grade for mid grade price!
Thank you
I donated my Simmons SD500 electronic drum set to my Church last week and offered to mentor any young drummer that may be interested in playing for the Lord.
For a low church budget how much money can you spend to get a good zildjian or paiste cymbal package? Our church budget is below $800 i believe.
Great video! I totally agree with you, the kit at my church is not as nice as my DW performance kit I picked up as my first kit this Christmas.
While the DW was more than my skill level requires at this point, it was my dream kit in the Tabacco Satin and I couldn't pass up the deal for the entire kit I put together.
Ha ha ha... I love the no double petal comment. Someone asked me if I would play for the church once my skill was at the level to do so, I told them only if they let my play a double petal, probably will not be asked again. I personally love the harder Christian rock and metal groups.
Looking foward to really digging in and learning how to play once my schedule opens in a couple of months, and also look foward to learning from your information both past and future.
Thanks dude 🙂
Thank you again!!!✌😁👍
My church uses a Yamaha Stage Custom kit with Yamaha Stands and Zildjian A Custom Cymbals. Wait... you’re a Yamaha endorser! Great sounding drums 👊
Same, except I bought Ziljian K's, cuz it was my money and that's what I wanted lol
I really enjoy your channel. Type A Personality ? :)
Hey Rob what's you opinion on getting a 10 inch popcorn/firecracker type snare for the side? Was thinking of getting one to try out on my kit (not for church) but wondering how it will sound or if it's even worth getting it or a waste of time. I like adding to the kit to try new stuff out. I value your opinion bro. Thanks
My sub-$2,000 recommendation:
Yamaha Stage Custom (with hardware)
Wuhan Cymbal Pack (hi-hat, crash, ride)
Remo Pinstripe Drum Head Pack
Kick them off lol 😂 good one, single pedal is the way to go
would you recommend electric drums
In our Catholic Churches of Québec, there is no room for a drum, but I wish it was different.
Rob is killin it on Paiste Instagram! go ROB!!!
I dont know how large your church is but $5k is a crazy budget for just the drum kit!
I thought that was the budget for the whole band!
I’m trying to donate my old kit to the church and buy the DDrum Hybrid kit for home.
What do you think about that kit acoustically?
I must say aswell that just because you get a double kick doesn’t mean it has to be used.
But…I think you should hit ‘em with some kick rolls every now and then for Jesus!
Nothing wrong with blowing minds during service!
I would not recommend the ddrum hybrid if you don't use it with a interface.
Even if you are not a church player there is no need to buy a mega expensive high end kit, like Rob said the mics wont notice the difference or the front house engineer. Just buy good heads and tune the drums well.
Hey Rob, Looks like you're thinning out a bit. You been working on that?
tbh i think tha best budget/Quality drums at least for a drumset in church, it's a Pearl Decade Maple with Evans drumheads i think it's tha most slept on Drumset even for a church for tha price and i'm stickin' with no less than 5 piece (6 piece if tha 5 piece combo is 10, 12, 16 which i'm not much of a fan of unless it includes a 14 inch toms)
however my cymbal of choice, always Zildjian
and drum throne always Roc-n-Soc Lunar series
however i'd rather have a heavy Ride, because it's called a Ride for a reason not a crash! :P
and idc how mad they would get at me for wanting aftermarket heads for Evans G2 Clear on tha toms and Emad on a bass drum because i'm tired of pillows lol