You missed the point of what Cenk is doing. Republicans have been supporting guys like Bush and Cheney for a long time. Even after 911, what they did in Iraq and Afghanistan and the 2008 crisis. Republicans are finally booing their own establishment. It literally doesn't matter why, only that they move in the right direction. Away from establishment. It sucks they moved from Bush establishment and now there's a Trump establishment, but at least they have moved. Now Democrats need to do the same thing, except show Republicans how to do it right and honestly. And then those non establishment Dems and help fix the mess in their own party. Long way to go, but he is trying to at least take a step in the right direction, even though it's a little step and even if it feels like a back step
This is what you and Pisco are failing to understand. Even after all this time you still don't get it. Republicans are out of control. They are way over board with everything. And now they have full power for 4 years. If we don't cross the bridge to get in good with them, then we have literally no say and not only that, there is no voice a reason in their ear. It doesn't matter what reasons the Republicans are against the establishment. It doesn't even matter if they are trading in one establishment (Cheney and Bush) for Trump - because we all know he is a part of the establishment ... and not only that.. worse than the establishment. That is not important. The important thing is to learn how to fool Maga - just like Trump and Elon do. You need to learn how to side with them, manipulate them and to control them at least to some degree, in order to get better results. You being angry at them, and making them look like fools (which you do a very good job at) doesn't get anywhere. Can't you actually see this? What you're doing is funny... it may make you money, it may show the truth... but lets be honest... THE TRUTH doesnt matter. What matters is, that the right people are in power, that know the facts. And When Republicans are divorced from facts, when they vote for a Felon instead of a prosecutor and when they believe that Trump isn't the establishment... when he's basically worse than the establishment, then you literally spin your wheels for years. Take a step back and realize that these people are nuts... lol and the only way to make them do normal things, is to manipulating them into believing that they are choosing it... lol You need to study the mystery method. Because they same techniques that work on conservative women, can work on conservative guys.
Tbf everyone has forgotten about Palestine, I haven’t seen a single person crying for them go and help them or sending them every paycheck they get towards them.
It is sad yet almost satisfying to watch Cenk literally lick the boot of MAGA in hopes of finding a common ground and when he brings up a single point of "can't we at least agree on this?" they don't give a single god damn inch lol.
>Lambasts Dave Rubin on Piers Morgan's show for being a grifter with no principles >Proceeds to have a cordial conversation with Charlie Kirk and gets uproarious applause at a TurningPoint event one week later You can't make this stuff up
bro destiny was eating chicken and waffles with Nick Fuentes. His conversation with Candace Owens had very little pushback and she was completely lying and arguing in bad faith. Why the double standard when cenk talks to the right?
Also, destiny went from acting buddy buddy with many right-wing to far-right content creators , even sucking one off to saying they are the most evil people in the world . Who is really grifting ?
@@mmafyasco Is that why we have countless hours of them clashing their arguments? Cenk chokes on the guys that he's been criticizing for years all of a sudden, and you're out here trying to characterize someone solely based on the fact that they had lunch together? Gtfo
Why? The left made the cost of living absurd and they are trying to change our children’s genders and teach them about sex in elementary school and we got rid of the party responsible for that and you’re upset? Why? This is an epic win against the pedo party.
can you point out a specific thing that cenk has said that his right wing? also, I find it quite rich that the people who watch destiny have chicken and waffles with a hateful disgusting person like Nick Fuentes. And speak all cordial to him, get mad when cenk talks to Charlie Kirk. 🤦♂️
@@lotanowo no that’s a good question. I don’t even like Cenk. I was the person who didn’t gaf about Nick and I don’t care about this either. Answer that or tell us why the comparison is invalid and you shouldn’t even acknowledge the question?
@@lotanowo that’s the kind of answer you have to give when you don’t have something specific to point out, or else that would’ve been your reply. now go watch destiny have chicken and waffles with that disgusting racist bigot Nick Fuentes. 👍
@@Kloutkulture Since the post went over your head and you don't want to run and catch it I'll explain. The one thing Cenk crowed and crowed and crowed about more than anything, why kamala and joe are so horrible and why they're indistinguishable from the worst neocons is because they didn't do enough for palestine. No cenk is signal boosting, doing marketing for and playing pattycake with people who who basically don't want palestine to exist at all. Who basically don't want muslims to exist at all, who proudly voted for the guy who tried to ban them from the united states entirely. It's showing he's cast off all his supposed principles and he does not care about anything. He's cozying up to people who would be his ideological enemies because they won and the money is on their side.
Gaza hasn't been "solved". Isreal has it's attention spent attacking Iran and Syria, Netenyahoo got hard because he found he can colonize part of Syria faster than Gaza. They attacked, then announced they're going to use part of Syria to build what he wants so Israel will be able to double it's population. He's not done totally destroying everything in Gaza, and there's still Palestinians still living (suffering at the hands of Israel, Jews, a lot like they suffered under Hitler). They want to totally doze Gaza and all lands Palestinians lived on, to build a new development for Israel, Jews. So until everything has been bombed, all infrastructure is totally destroyed, and all Palestinians are gone (from migrating anywhere except where they've lived for longer than Israels colonization, or from being totally wiped out from genocide, so they can build more mud buildings for Jews to live, The Gaza thing isn't over. And it's not anything to do with that orange diaper crapping old dinosaur
This epidemic has spread across maga, they are against democracy and the constitution and they pretend they are hating America because of all their patriotism. 🤷🏽♀️
@@adamgates1142 Well you see, Kamala has the right to run for POTUS if she so chooses, and the Democratic party has the right to endorse her if it so desires, and from there people were presented with a choice between her and a few other candidates. What exactly are you not understanding?
@@falconeshieldmaybe I dreamt it but didn’t Ana or someone else “question” the Armenian genocide on air? Let’s assume I’m misremembering that but maybe someone can correct me.
I think it’s important to acknowledge what happened at the moment when Cenk talked about trans having a right to the constitution. People cheered, not as many but a lot, then Charlie pushed back about the housing. It’s not the majority republicans that are extreme it’s the pundits that are unreasonable and extreme that manipulate the followers to be extreme.
Cenk is actually correct about the reality of it all. We do disagree with each other on things but we still shake hands at the end of the day. Political pundits however DO NOT.
Cenk just was crapping on Rubin on piers Morgan too. Calling him a grifter. Lest we forget, cenk had this moment a few years ago when he debated Tucker Carlson at politicon. All of a sudden Tucker wasn't a vile human and his enemy because of some surface level hatred for corporations and the usual run of the mill yapping points. Tucker didn't even hate the corporations for the same reason cenk does 😂. Cenk is slow, garbage human being, and I checked out from tyt like a decade ago because of how much brained everyone there was/is.
Pisco is such a drama queen bro. I get that things are worth talking about and watching closely, but he is actually the crybaby steven says republicans are. Him and steven get together and its basically gossip girls. I like pisco, so im not trying to be an asshole, but man he should chill a bit. It actually seems like he is hoping some crazy shit happens just so he can feel pumped about hoping in stream and further catastrophizing it. All the slanted comparisons are wild when they dont need to be made to get his point across. Where is this energy when some crazy shit happens in the other side?
So anyone calls Cenk out in this for being on a right wing tour to "unite on common grounds" while bashing Harris for campaigning with Liz Cheney? I'm only 10 minutes in.
@@laurentbergeronmusic Trump is literally hanging out with the richest people in the world. Trump is literally threatening Panama over giving the US the canal back. Trump is literally threatening Panama with war over this issue. So yes Cenk is a hypocrite.
Liz and Kamala "uniting" was against Trump and he is a bigger threat than Liz Cheney. Cenk "uniting" with MAGA against the corporate democrats means he thinks the establishment are a bigger threat than MAGA, even though Trump's cabinet is the definition of establishment and MAGA supports them. It's a joke.
5 minutes in and I'm giving up. Destiny just sounds like someone looking for an argument. He definitely doesn't sound like someone who understands politics in the U.S.
The thing people have to realize is that you shouldn't allow people to add qualifications for collaborating on a single issue. If the goal is to work with people to get money out of politics, why the fuck should you care about anything else? The point is to reach out, not reach around. If people qualify that you must also do this and that or be something else just for us to work on this one issue, their focus is to undermine and destroy you.
Am I the only one who finds the term 'populism' troubling? Being a populist isn't a positive to me. They're offering overly simplistic solutions to complex issues.
Maybe cause mainstream media has been demonising the term for ages. Populism: "a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups" It doesn't mean simplistic solutions. Although "it only offers unrealistic, simplistic solutions" is one of the common attacks mainstream media uses against populism. So I can't fault you for thinking it's actually inherent to populism.
@@Garrett_Bear_Stap Verbalize what's actually wrong with taxing the wealthy. I'll help though, the wealthy/business tax flight has literally NEVER been shown to happen, so that's dead in the water. Trickle down economics have been PROVEN to be bullshit, so that's dead in the water as well. Good luck.
@@criticalcandor The masses currently believe that our economy is performing poorly despite the fact that we're outperforming every other G7 country in the world by 3x the average directly due to bidenomics. The masses currently know literally nothing about J6, nothing about basically anything. You wouldn't apply this belief to literally ANY other field of life, ever. If you were on a raft that was sinking in the ocean, you had eight people who were just random people who had never ever seen a raft before, and then you had two people who were DESGINATED RAFT REPAIRMEN, you would literally NEVER opt for a vote to decide what should be done, you would appeal to the raft repairmen. But also, populism is not appealing to the masses, you're being disingenuous, literally every politician "appeals to the masses" that's what campaigning even is in the first place. Populism is creating a cartoonish idea of "common people" who are good, vs an evil "elite" and then pretending like there's any actual evidence of any harm committed by this mythical elite. Populism is scapegoatism where you create a boogeyman (immigrants, donor class, the swamp, whatever you guys think up on the drop of a hat) that magically explain every problem you ever have in a neat way, and then suggest that the answer to fixing that problem isn't actually any specific policy or anything like that, it's just getting rid of that one mythical boogeyman and then magically the world will be a utopia. It's r*tarded. You are r*tarded.
@@JB-vq3yl huh? so it’s not about destroying the establishment but just changing it to a different one? then why all the talk about politicians being inherently bad and the need to switch them… with some nondisclosed whatever?
@@wittywolk yes. whether a person thinks politicians are inherently bad or not, pretty irrelevant. its about shifting political and institutional paradigms away from the structural status quos of the social, political, economic - really simple. i guess their vision for the future could account for some inherent drive for a person to 'sin' or use their power inappropriately. like, perhaps changing public officers law. left, right, doesn't matter because the libs have lost. destiny wants to wait it out, wait out the political cycle, but that's not where my money is moving forward.
I called this out so long ago I did a write up on it. It's crazy that he's sitting there Sing off the biggest establishment, corporatist shills on the planet.
He thinks these people are anti establishment/anti donor class, they are not. These people are pro trump sycophants. He is trying to ride their wave and hope that he can swoop in these people but he just looks like a lap dog.
He’s actually the same as he’s been. Just attuned to the actual political reality of getting his ideas heard For the record I think many of his ideas suck.
@@TillThenPlease He's focusing on trying to form a coalition just for getting money out of politics. That's not the same as becoming a maggot. The problem with people like you is that you're an all or nothing kind of weasel. If your opinions had any real value, the country would have swept blue, but as we saw what happened, it wasn't worth anything. If you and your kind of people say home on election day, my case was made.
The reason people are more comfortable with elon using his influence to change the status quoue and not people like george soros, is because A) elon is very public about his goals, likely the most public in human history. B) he does not espouse anti american values or shit in capitalism the way people like george does. C) he has not done anything to warrant the kind of distrust steven and pisco have towards him. What do you think elon is going to do that is going to be bad for the country? How would you even come to that assessment with no prior actions of his to base it off of? You really think he is just doing this to make more money? I hate when people nail others to the cross before theyve even done anything.
1:26 the young Turks are baffling. This energy was socially acceptable and profitable back in 2016. It wasn’t correct but you could still pass yourself off as a liberal while being MAGA curious. Now Trump IS the establishment for the Republican Party.
What a bunch of losers. Cenk says let’s take the win and work towards government reform, take the money out of politics- the number one thing he’s ever wanted. But the destiny crew says let’s love our donors cause they claim to be blue.
This is like when Mirene from Fresh n Fit was trying to buddy up with Nick Fluententas against blacks being completely oblivious to how Nick hated him just as much XD
Destiny is taking huge issue with this "wrapped around Dick Cheney" statement from Cenk about Kamala but is missing the forest for the trees. Kamala did not appear together, sure. However, she did thank him for his support multiple times and made it a big deal in a public speech. There were hundreds of articles written about this and it was covered for days if not weeks by mainstream media. Let's not pretend like it wasn't important.
5:13 I don’t know that democrats cared. Was anyone like “I’m not voting for her” because of that? I mean it’s ironic that the architect of unitary executive theory Dick Cheney himself is arguing against the fruits of his own labor. He’s also a big cause of the Iraq war because he stove piped the bad intel to justify it. She could’ve approached it differently sure but she doesn’t control his endorsement.
Do you think its normal that mainstream media made a big fuss about the Cheney endorsement but completely downplayed the fact that multiples former Trump staff and even his former military commander John Kelly came out publicly to say that Trump has fascistic tendency? The democrat were and still are the media (mainstream and alternative) little bitch. Let's be honest, if Dick Cheney came out in support of Trump, do you think we would be talking about it right now?
People here be coping hard with being sellouts. 2000s liberals should be shocked. But media lying about Trump being a dictator is all they needed to justify their acquiescence
34:50 doge isn't a real government agency and cannot be an agency unless Congress creates it. So anyone leading these agencies when these yahoo's show up can tell them all to leave. Elon should be nowhere near congress either. The guy has government contracts, he has no business being involved with government trying to regulate things and stop bills. Like wtf is happening.....
It's frustrating no one's even talking about a good faith perspective on what Chenk is trying to do, which is unite the populist/anti-establishment left and right. In a million ways, Chenk consistently states his desire for populist policies. Policies that 70%+ of Americans agree on across both parties. He has always consistently shit on every democratic president and congressperson as letting down the country and not being truly for the the progressive populist policies they campaigned on. Nothing he's saying is against that. He is however, threading a fine needle to present as maleable as possible to this maga crowd. Its nuance, but he has not supported Elon or Trump. He is really doing the same thing he's done to left wing politicians that promise populist policy. Saying "we'll see". He doesn't really think they'll make good decisions or that any positive outcomes that align with populist policy will be for the right reasons, he's just acknowledging what things they're saying are populist. Chenk's current objective is to change the image the right has of him as "left-wing" (which to them means democrat) and redefine himself as "populist" (which he'll hope to point out to them the particular beliefs they hold that aren't actually right-wing (all the statistically popular policies Chenk always highlights.) Once Cenk gets these brainless, mind rot, cultlike tribal followers that are republican voters (not just MAGA) to cheer him on and declare him as a trustworthy authoritative voice to listen to, he's counting on the Psychological principle of Commitment and Consistency. Cenk, like all of us, are aware none of these Republicans are genuinely anti-establishment. Or that if they are, they're the low-informaruon types that have shallow and aesthetical anti-establishment sentiments, but are ignorant and lazy enough to believe Trump and Republican's lies. But just like Destiny can't believe how all these Republicans of days gone are now supporting policies that are anti-republican and anti-american, these people can be tricked into going anti-republican and anti-trump with the same tactic that has them against their own values now: Commitment and Consistency. Once they support Cenk and believe he's good faith and a trustworthy source, they'll be more likely to respect what he says when he points out how Elon and Trump aren't keeping their promises or make bad policy. By pretending to be open to Trump and Elon now, the MAGA crowd will be more likely to trust him when he calls them out for letting "us" down (Cenk/Populist and the unknowingly grifting as populist MAGA folk). Pisco and Destiny are acting like every negative thing Cenk says about Democrats is an endorsement for the right. Its not. Cenk has always been against Establishment democrats and does not believe they represent his views despite of course, having to vote Democrat over the filth that is the republican party. He's just carefully saying things he genuinely believes that will gain good favor with this crowd. But he hasn't actually said Trump is great or Elon is great or the rights policies are great. He wouldn't say that. The furthest he'll go is highlighting the things they "say" that are populist and pretending to be open to the potential that Trump and Elon will follow through, because it's in the future and is speculative. The moment around 60:13 sums it all up. Cenk is mainly, as he always has, pushed for populist policies, not progressive but populist. Policies he defines as supported by 70%+ of Americans across the political spectrum. And that it's pointless to fight over the fringe issues that the left and right are not going to come together on. We're not going to agree on gun control, abortion, trans issues, etc. But let's unite to vote for the things we do agree on. And its ashame this panel didn't give Cenk his credit right after that. He admitted he's for trans people. He admitted he's for gun control. And you guys sat their and said he wasn't going to. And you gave him no props. You didn't eat your words at all. And somehow you didn't find the awareness to realize what Cenk has really been saying and what he's really trying to do. TLDR, Cenk is leaning on his populist over views over his progressive views to expand the Populist and TYT base to include right-wing "populists" instead of being mis-seen as left-wing. Here's my comment to Luke Beasley watching this same video. Luke, I don't think Cenk is unaware of MAGA's reasons and motivations for grifting that they're anti-establishment. The Right's anti-establishment narrative is the flipside of the coin that birthed the Left's disproportionate media coverage of Trump. Where the left-wing media overcompensates to avoid being seen as having Trump Derangement Syndrome, the Right grifts as anti-establishment to avoid being seen as low-information cult members. Cenk is attempting to leverage their anti-establishment statements and behaviors, which Trump has fostered, to align them with the actual populist progressive movement. By pointing out their anti-establishment stance, he's using the psychological principle of 'Commitment and Consistency:' once someone verbally or publicly commits to a belief, even if it’s not deeply held, subconsciously they feel compelled to maintain it to avoid cognitive dissonance. He's grifting their grift. Cenk doesn't believe in a million years that Donald Trump or Elon Musk will be net positives. Instead, he's grifting to reshape their narrative of himself and TYT so that they see them as anti-establishment instead of left-wing. By engaging with MAGA and pretending to be open to Trump's potential, Cenk is taking advantage of their sheepish ways that follow and parrot anyone on thier side", Then, he lays stronger Commitment and Consistency foundations in MAGA to the anti-estabsentiment sentiment by repeatedly emphasizing their grift back to them. He's not aligning with them; he's aligning them with him. And as a leader and representative in the anti-establishment space, he's been providing their fox brainwashing with the assumptions and expectations that populist progressives have. Cenk is trying to set himself up for a win/win/win scenario. Either: 'A,' MAGA demands true populist outcomes, and Trump does it because he cares most about appealing to his base (least likely). 'B,' MAGA is aware and upset when Trump fails or lacks to even attempt populist policy (more plausible). Or 'C,' Trump eventually fades away, and the Commitment and Consistency effect leaves a populist identity in the wake of a fading MAGA cult. TLDR: Cenk sees an opportunity to bring in more people from the Right and grow the populist party by getting them to double down on their populist grift and see that Trump isn't actually anti-establishment or for the little guy.
Let's test this content section... I see a comment section full of insults, but... no grounded arguments against any of the points he made. He spoke for about 30 min, and most of it is reiterating things he'd said years ago. Don't be a coward and cherrypick one little thing you disagree with. He gave you lots of material to disagree with, and all of it appears to be grounded. But if you really disagree that much with everything he said, And can't actually deliver any arguments against them, then you don't actually disagree. And you're watching Destiny less for information and more for instruction about how you should feel.
I guess you are self snitching with your last sentence. Healthy people watch youtubers for content, not truth. But I guess a populist would not understand that, cuz apes together strong being the ideology.
The issue is that there ISN'T anything to disagree with. Cenk abandoned all his principals and morals to buddy up with the winning side. He won't say anything even lightly bad about MAGA because it will get him boo'd. Did you even watch the video?
You did not make a single argument. Not one. You are the moron that points at other people's arguments and say "That is what I mean." I can not say it that good but that there. There were no arguments. Just populism good. Test yourself some of us are not really fans of Destiny. We are also not seeking attention in his channel all while showing that you yourself have not a single argument. Cenk has parroted Bernie for years. All Cenk does is cry about MSM and the elites. The deep state. he is very vague on purpose.
we lost the popular vote to trump of all people and a lot of people that were on the left went independent. he is trying to get the people that left back. saying and dointg the same thing is just getting more people to leave. odds are his plan will not work but its better then doing nothing let him try
This reminds me of why no one on the right will ever listen to Destiny. He's so hostile and petty to everyone who disagrees with him. I miss when he would talk with people and actually try to understand their views. Now he screams
There are 2 parts to this. I agree his hate of all thing conservative is just dumb af. His hate of populism however is something that makes sense. Influencers like Cenk that believe that Trump with do any of the policies that he wants is ridiculous. People that say donor class, elites, deep state are not people to listen to. They don't have specifics so they generalize everything. Nobody on the right listens to anyone that doesn't just agree with them. Same on the left. Kirk is listening to Cenk because he just continues to pander to them.
It was like… one statement? And stating a fact isn’t ‘bragging’. God you people are so stupid. I wish you could see how everything looks from my perspective; from the perspective of an intelligent person.
@@matsab7930there were hundreds of articles written about her bragging about her Cheney endorsement. Wake up and get from under the big old rock you're stuck under
One of the most annoying things in politics is how pundits constantly accuse every one of being insincere/grifters etc. 45:05 the way Cenk here just labels the entire DNC establishment of literally only caring about money, as if he and TYT have a complete monopoly on principle and integrity. Politicians are hateable indeed and of course money has a pervasive influence on politics, but "they only serve the donors" thing is so reductionist. Does he think X Republican politician would flip on their pro-second amendment beliefs if an anti-gun org. donated a couple million to their campaign funds? I can see why he likes Bernie Sanders because both of them engage in so much demagoguery. Their entire movement has for 20 years been a movement of anger and demonizing your political opponents as bad people.
Sort of how destiny is doing right now during this commentary? Vowing to always hating his fellow Americans that are maga? That's really all about uniting huh?
@@paulmoore3280 I agree tbh. I enjoy Destiny's content but he's never been harder to watch than he is now. It's funny how he'll steelman both sides of Israel-Palestine and explain how brainrotted perspectives on both sides came to exist, but with Conservatives he just calls them evil, mentally-ill sub-humanoids. It makes one wonder what the purpose of watching Destiny even is.
@@DezsoLochsabre He clearly doesn't possess the fortitude to keep his commentary balanced and fair because of his bias. There's bias on both sides. Let me let me just be clear and but if you can't recognize the bias on your side then you're captured by your own conscience.
@@DezsoLochsabre literal consciously sticking your head voluntarily in the sand and screaming at the top of your lungs, so you can't hear what's being said until you hear something that you agree with
So "destiny's" channel has 862k subs right? He has 167k views on this vid which do the math on that...yet hasONLY 3K "likes". Destiny is seing his DESTINY fade away... I STILL wonder why all you people go to GOOGLE for your inforation but it makes sense that you want left leaning information instead of going to DUCK DUCK GO...who is becoming more popular for equivalent content.
Ive liked maybe a dozen videos across everything I've ever subscribed to since TH-cam became a thing in 2005. Lots of people just don't engage in that way. Doesn't mean they don't like the content.
I have only ever liked something that I felt. Politics is something that i would almost never like unless it was funny. What you just said is an argumentum ad populum fallacy and it shows a lot about you. You seek attention on Destiny's videos all while being WAY TOO OLD to seek attention from strangers on the internet. You also like videos that validate your own opinions. If you are not being paid to make comments like that then you are a loser of the most epic proportion. Create an actual argument. You can not because you are not clever enough. You used a logical fallacy about likes instead. Populism in a nut shell. You would have been in Hitlers army in a second because populism.
@@evanwestendorf9667 I get that but these content providers CONSTANTLY remind you to like, comment and subscribe because its sometimes, their livelihood. I'm the same way normally but the people I DO subscribe to that I have commonality with, I normally at least like unless I disagree with that particular content to which then I normally comment.
It’s stupid to argue Kamala didn’t try to associate herself with Liz Cheney. Cheney did a whole media tour supporting her. The campaign team was in coordination with her
@ ya but the implication is both of them support her and Kamala was trying to use them as a bridge to republican voters. Just seems dumb to try and say that’s not what was happening
Harris' biggest mistake was wasting her time on trying to win Nikki Haley's "never trump" base sadly. Nobody seems to be considering why this was a realistic goal though. I thought Harris was wise to fight for center votes...but sadly it seems like Haley's supporters ended up voting for Trump. I never once thought that she actually supported Dick Cheney's legacy by campaigning w/Liz.
@@AndyFromBeavertondestiny literally was willing to sacrifice his viewership to joke about the people who died in the trump assassination attempt that’s not disingenuous or playing to the crowd
@@lanceschulz1182The usage of straw-man arguments these days, leaves the impression we're in the twilight zone now. Ascribing intent to complete strangers that disagree with you, with the least charitable straw-man arguments, is not a substantive, or engaging response. It's rather juvenile, and a self-fulfilling contradiction. Especially, after referring to the OP as silly, for intentions you ascribed to them..
Cenk Uyghur is a Turk, Cenk is a Turkish name. Turkish has two letters C and Ç, C is equal to the English J and Ç is equal to the English Ch. Cenk thusly is pronounced like Jenk is in English phonotactic rules. Thank me later.
Am I the only one who can't stand Pisco? Whenever he comes onto Destiny's stream, he speaks like 75% of the time. I want to hear what Destiny thinks, not you bro. Especially in this video where he shouts half the points he makes and is super emotional and annoying.
Can you ban mfers that use the words "slurp/slurping" more than 58 times in one hour during your streams....? Might up the listenability of your videos.
@11:55 pisco jumbled this terribly. Cenk isn’t saying he prefers trump over Kamala, he spent the entire election cycle wanting Kamala over trump and before that Biden over trump. He’s saying he want the left to revolt (rhetorically) against the leaders of the party the same way the right did that ended up with trump in charge. And going on a republican space and not yelling and screaming doesn’t mean someone is on that side now. I understand not agreeing with the methods cenk is using to bring both sides together, but your bias has you closed minded. Do you even watch tyt in its entirety? Or just clips on twitter?
Let's recap, little buddy, cause you're struggling and it's pathetic. Cenk gets on stage, congratulates MAGA on their "revolution," outright states that MAGA IS NEEDED, condemns Kamala Harris and Joe Biden BY NAME (again, after praising Trump and his MAGAts), yaps about the DONOR CLASS and FAKE NEWS while IGNORING the multiple billionaires that have managed to literally buy their way into power within the US Government thanks to Donald Trump, and then says that the left NEEDS to do a SIMILAR REVOLUTION against people like KAMALA HARRIS AND JOE BIDEN SPECIFICALLY. You are an actual MOUTHBREATHER if you can look at all of that and think "Oh I think he's neutral on both Kamala Harris and Trump there, he's just bringing both sides together" HE IS ONLY CONDEMNING ONE SIDE! HE IS LITERALLY *ACTIVELY PRAISING* THE OTHER SIDE!! Reminder that Cenk is now making videos about people like Gaetz where he tries REALLY hard not to condemn him. Cenk is a SELL OUT. Cenk is a populist MAGAt. You need to be ashamed of what you just wrote, delete your comment and do better. There is no such thing as left vs. right in America anymore. There is only establishment vs. anti-establishment. Cenk is anti-establishment. MAGAts are anti-establishment. Do the fucking math. This is the same exact argument that all the disgusting MAGAts give for why the mainstream media was biased against Trump. They point to the most SURFACE LEVEL CRITICISMS offered by the media environment, while the media ACTIVELY ignores all of the ACTUAL bad things MAGA is doing (This is what Cenk is doing on TYT RIGHT NOW, as we speak. He is copying left mainstream media verbatim at this point, just point to hollow "orange man bad" statements while ignoring the billionaires in the cabinet etc etc.) and they pretend that that means they're actually against him. No, they're helping him, MASSIVELY. Going "ur mean actually" does not constitute a hard hitting journalism.
So you think when someone carries extreme levels of water for one side only, praising that side, calling what they did a successful revolution against an evil establishment, saying that MAGA is NEEDED, calling out Kamala Harris and Joe Biden SPECIFICALLY by name and saying that WE need to do EXACTLY what TRUMP did (remember that ALL implies Trump is a HERO who hsa done GOOD THINGS. That is what he is telling you, he is saying MODEL OURSELVES AFTER DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP DESTROYED THE ESTABLISHMENT even though that is literally the exact opposite of what Trump did and Cenk KNOWS that.) means that he feels equally bad about both Kamala and Trump? Okay. You don't know what you're talking about. It's time for you to do some soul searching and stop coping about your favorite far leftist turned leftist maga grifter.
I think it's hysterics and standard tribalism, Cenk is trying to get help from outside the tribe so now he's a legitimate target and doesn't have to be treated like a person.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Charlie Kirk looks like a live action Beavis with his exposed gums and popadore, give this man a blue AC/DC shirt and tell me I'm wrong. MF sounds like him too
No saying it to burn him don't really care much to what they are talking about just saying, if after watching this, if the algorithm spits y'all out at that live action peter Griffin guy don't be surprised.
I have been watching TYT for a while, and it was pretty painful to watch Cenk up there with Charlie Kirk basically being played. However, I do believe that Cenk will eventually wake up soon into the new presidency that it is nothing but smoke and mirrors. I am not so sure about Ana, but Cenk is not fully lost in my opinion.
Charlie Kirk made Cenk his little play thing just like Trump is being owned and controlled by Elon Musk. I miss when Trump used to at least pretend to be tough. 😢
At 11:45 when Pisco remarks on Cenk saying we need to do a revolution against Kamala, Biden etc any of us on the left with a brain know that doesn't mean he prefers Trump over Kamala. You and I both know he means we need to get rid of the "establishment" democrats and vote in people like AOC. I would rather have heard your real opinion on that stance rather than a strawman argument. I've stopped watching most progressive platforms in favor of yours because you are always on point, so please stay that way.
4:50 WHY DOES HE HAVE TO PLAY CONTRAIRIAN ON EVERY LITTLE THING. she was boasting about his endorsement multiple times and that move had 0 upsides. cmon man its not that hard
@@pauliePwalnutsSure, Trump's never been in the jet set limelight. Billionaires are finally getting their place at the table they've been so long been denied 😂😂😂
@@StinkCabbage Billionaires have had their place at the table for as long as we've been alive, it's only an issue now because before all those billionaires had the correct political leaning and their funding helped to prop up the establishment. Now other billionaires with opposing political beliefs are coming to the table and using their funding to topple said establishment, and suddenly it's now an issue that billionaires can influence politics, it's all so transparent.
Destiny thinks he knows everything and it's so cringe, can't stand him. Cenk has been doing politics significantly longer than destiny, I think he knows a thing or two.
I'm baffled. If Cenk would turn any conservative heads with this speech it would be some woodo sh*t. To blame the establishment as such is a problem. Any new government will be an "establishment" progressive or not. Better to focus on the corporate donations that get political benefits. The Nordic countries has tax money for this purposes, equal for all parties.
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Tyt is a joke/clown now.
Let maga support tyt now.
Joke is on him- both sides disliked this buffoon now.
I was between this and rewatching Destiny slip into meth depression while he watched the election night results come in
Have you decided on how ur ganna end it all? I hope it’s on live stream. It’s ok ur a communist u guys need to go away.
You missed the point of what Cenk is doing. Republicans have been supporting guys like Bush and Cheney for a long time. Even after 911, what they did in Iraq and Afghanistan and the 2008 crisis. Republicans are finally booing their own establishment.
It literally doesn't matter why, only that they move in the right direction. Away from establishment. It sucks they moved from Bush establishment and now there's a Trump establishment, but at least they have moved.
Now Democrats need to do the same thing, except show Republicans how to do it right and honestly. And then those non establishment Dems and help fix the mess in their own party. Long way to go, but he is trying to at least take a step in the right direction, even though it's a little step and even if it feels like a back step
This is what you and Pisco are failing to understand. Even after all this time you still don't get it. Republicans are out of control. They are way over board with everything. And now they have full power for 4 years. If we don't cross the bridge to get in good with them, then we have literally no say and not only that, there is no voice a reason in their ear. It doesn't matter what reasons the Republicans are against the establishment. It doesn't even matter if they are trading in one establishment (Cheney and Bush) for Trump - because we all know he is a part of the establishment ... and not only that.. worse than the establishment. That is not important.
The important thing is to learn how to fool Maga - just like Trump and Elon do. You need to learn how to side with them, manipulate them and to control them at least to some degree, in order to get better results.
You being angry at them, and making them look like fools (which you do a very good job at) doesn't get anywhere. Can't you actually see this?
What you're doing is funny... it may make you money, it may show the truth... but lets be honest...
THE TRUTH doesnt matter.
What matters is, that the right people are in power, that know the facts. And When Republicans are divorced from facts, when they vote for a Felon instead of a prosecutor and when they believe that Trump isn't the establishment... when he's basically worse than the establishment, then you literally spin your wheels for years.
Take a step back and realize that these people are nuts... lol and the only way to make them do normal things, is to manipulating them into believing that they are choosing it... lol
You need to study the mystery method. Because they same techniques that work on conservative women, can work on conservative guys.
>Leaves Destiny speechless
>Thumbnail shows him saying “wow…”
Which is it August?
we were lied to
Destiny speechless is not possible between the narcissism and the drogas
@@glowindark64found the butthurt trumpanzee 😂
I thought it was December
You claim Destiny to be speechless yet he says wow… curious
I’m very smart
"He crossed the Dave Rubincon" is a great line
He crossed into the common sense side
@@TurtleChad1 that's the same side that gets hefty paychecks to push Russian Propaganda, you know like yourself?
Literally read this as he said it
He walked through the "Jimmy Door"
I spat my tea out when i heard it
I love how Cenk forgot all about the Palestinians he cried so much about and is now hugging the people who would condemn them to destitution.
Tbf everyone has forgotten about Palestine, I haven’t seen a single person crying for them go and help them or sending them every paycheck they get towards them.
Even Hasan son of Palestine has stopped talking about that right? @@future.endeavors
The money well dried up, they no longer have to perform
just goes to show they dgaf abt the palestenians, they just wanted a cudgel to hit biden with
@@future.endeavors Even arabs and muslims don't keep the same energy they had during the first few months
The thing he doesn't get about the reception he's getting is that it's a victory lap, it's a victory lap around him
Halarious. Thats so true.
and to show that the left and dems are utterly divided, which cenk is falling right into. what a dumb media personality
Nope, it’s Americans finding common ground, and not just seeking power through media manipulation as the Democrats have done for a while
It is sad yet almost satisfying to watch Cenk literally lick the boot of MAGA in hopes of finding a common ground and when he brings up a single point of "can't we at least agree on this?" they don't give a single god damn inch lol.
The last cry of the fearful with zero principals
Meanwhile a bunch of maga had this take away from Cenk’s visit.
- Dems want to take away our guns, but they won’t admit it during an election.
“We should be fighting for the stuff we do agree on”
Oh really, Cenk? What, exactly, does Maga and the left agree on?
@@nkliviothat’s the left
No way would the left stop the encroaching government and state. MAGA wants to be left alone
"He's crossed the Dave Rubicon," I don't know if that was an original thought, but that was such a killer phrase from Pisco.
>Lambasts Dave Rubin on Piers Morgan's show for being a grifter with no principles
>Proceeds to have a cordial conversation with Charlie Kirk and gets uproarious applause at a TurningPoint event one week later
You can't make this stuff up
bro destiny was eating chicken and waffles with Nick Fuentes. His conversation with Candace Owens had very little pushback and she was completely lying and arguing in bad faith. Why the double standard when cenk talks to the right?
@@mmafyasco was he ever praising the things fuentes or owens believe in? not pushing back hard enough is a world of difference from praising
Also, destiny went from acting buddy buddy with many right-wing to far-right content creators , even sucking one off to saying they are the most evil people in the world . Who is really grifting ?
@@mmafyasco Is that why we have countless hours of them clashing their arguments? Cenk chokes on the guys that he's been criticizing for years all of a sudden, and you're out here trying to characterize someone solely based on the fact that they had lunch together? Gtfo
LMAO
I hate this timeline
It’s been fucking wild 😂
Why? The left made the cost of living absurd and they are trying to change our children’s genders and teach them about sex in elementary school and we got rid of the party responsible for that and you’re upset? Why? This is an epic win against the pedo party.
No you're just brainwashed and need to wake up.
@@Sam_Slick I'm ready
🎀 tied up with a pretty 🙇♂️ 😮
The right wing paycheck gotta be life changing!
can you point out a specific thing that cenk has said that his right wing?
also, I find it quite rich that the people who watch destiny have chicken and waffles with a hateful disgusting person like Nick Fuentes. And speak all cordial to him, get mad when cenk talks to Charlie Kirk. 🤦♂️
Dave Rubin lives in A mansion
@@mmafyasco You gotta try harder than this.
@@lotanowo no that’s a good question. I don’t even like Cenk. I was the person who didn’t gaf about Nick and I don’t care about this either.
Answer that or tell us why the comparison is invalid and you shouldn’t even acknowledge the question?
@@lotanowo
that’s the kind of answer you have to give when you don’t have something specific to point out, or else that would’ve been your reply.
now go watch destiny have chicken and waffles with that disgusting racist bigot Nick Fuentes. 👍
I’m sure Charlie Kirk will care about Palestinian’s.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Destiny didn’t either sooooo
That's so far from the point it's hard to tell if you're stupid on purpose or not@@Kloutkulture
@@rtreyk you got to be regarded but it’s okay
@@Kloutkulture Since the post went over your head and you don't want to run and catch it I'll explain.
The one thing Cenk crowed and crowed and crowed about more than anything, why kamala and joe are so horrible and why they're indistinguishable from the worst neocons is because they didn't do enough for palestine.
No cenk is signal boosting, doing marketing for and playing pattycake with people who who basically don't want palestine to exist at all. Who basically don't want muslims to exist at all, who proudly voted for the guy who tried to ban them from the united states entirely.
It's showing he's cast off all his supposed principles and he does not care about anything. He's cozying up to people who would be his ideological enemies because they won and the money is on their side.
I am glad Gaza somehow get solved when Trump was elected. Truly is the Trumpfactor
Gaza hasn't been "solved". Isreal has it's attention spent attacking Iran and Syria, Netenyahoo got hard because he found he can colonize part of Syria faster than Gaza. They attacked, then announced they're going to use part of Syria to build what he wants so Israel will be able to double it's population. He's not done totally destroying everything in Gaza, and there's still Palestinians still living (suffering at the hands of Israel, Jews, a lot like they suffered under Hitler). They want to totally doze Gaza and all lands Palestinians lived on, to build a new development for Israel, Jews. So until everything has been bombed, all infrastructure is totally destroyed, and all Palestinians are gone (from migrating anywhere except where they've lived for longer than Israels colonization, or from being totally wiped out from genocide, so they can build more mud buildings for Jews to live, The Gaza thing isn't over. And it's not anything to do with that orange diaper crapping old dinosaur
Tankies be like “We did it Patrick! We saved Gaza!”
The only one pushing for peace all along is President Biden, trump is a war and hate munger.
There's a reason Cenk has had a show for so long. He knows how to stay relevant. He goes wherever the wind blows.
Its a big club and he ain't in it
Bec hes a plant and got money to be there and say the things he says. 😅
“Chenk” is confusing “establishment” with “democracy” lol… what a fn tomato
This epidemic has spread across maga, they are against democracy and the constitution and they pretend they are hating America because of all their patriotism. 🤷🏽♀️
Uh huh. Who wanted Kamala to run again? Was there a vote?
Yeah they voted for her on bidens ticket dummy@@adamgates1142
@@adamgates1142 Well you see, Kamala has the right to run for POTUS if she so chooses, and the Democratic party has the right to endorse her if it so desires, and from there people were presented with a choice between her and a few other candidates. What exactly are you not understanding?
@@patricksikhrangkur8814 She didn't run in '24, she was appointed
As a long time subscriber... this is pretty much it for me. Just unsubscribed to TYT.
The name wasn't enough?
Google TYT on Wikipedia the ones the program is named after
@@falconeshieldmaybe I dreamt it but didn’t Ana or someone else “question” the Armenian genocide on air? Let’s assume I’m misremembering that but maybe someone can correct me.
@falconeshield Wikipedia shouldn't be the go to. I'm sure there's top universities with lots of information on it available.
If Joe Rogan can do it why not Cnek
You should have never listened to them in the first place.
Elon Musk is about to make Halliburton look like a lemonade stand and Cenk is out here comparing Kamala Harris to Dick Cheney. Unreal.
Agreed.
This
Most these guys here too young to remember Hali
@@Kloutkulture Cenk most certainly isn't. Such a shameless grift.
@@shoeby9273 I miss the bush days tbh. When the most deranged person was a tea partyer lol
Seeing the red brown alliance form in real time is wild
God is having a wee giggle at our expense.
Where is the red? Cenk is a liberal. this is the liberal brown alliance, as happened literally every other time we saw a far right rise.
TYT's subs and views are plummeting. It's not an alliance, Cenk's just a turncoat
whats brown and whats red ? where im from red is associated with socialism/social democracy and blue the populist capitalists that benefit rich people
This reaction sums up why democrats are cooked.
I think it’s important to acknowledge what happened at the moment when Cenk talked about trans having a right to the constitution. People cheered, not as many but a lot, then Charlie pushed back about the housing. It’s not the majority republicans that are extreme it’s the pundits that are unreasonable and extreme that manipulate the followers to be extreme.
Cenk is actually correct about the reality of it all. We do disagree with each other on things but we still shake hands at the end of the day. Political pundits however DO NOT.
All those year of TYT making fun of Dave Rubin for what? Do they not even feel slightly embarrassed? Very rare Dave Rubin W
Huge win in the battle of ideas
Cenk just was crapping on Rubin on piers Morgan too. Calling him a grifter. Lest we forget, cenk had this moment a few years ago when he debated Tucker Carlson at politicon. All of a sudden Tucker wasn't a vile human and his enemy because of some surface level hatred for corporations and the usual run of the mill yapping points. Tucker didn't even hate the corporations for the same reason cenk does 😂.
Cenk is slow, garbage human being, and I checked out from tyt like a decade ago because of how much brained everyone there was/is.
Pisco is such a drama queen bro. I get that things are worth talking about and watching closely, but he is actually the crybaby steven says republicans are. Him and steven get together and its basically gossip girls. I like pisco, so im not trying to be an asshole, but man he should chill a bit. It actually seems like he is hoping some crazy shit happens just so he can feel pumped about hoping in stream and further catastrophizing it. All the slanted comparisons are wild when they dont need to be made to get his point across. Where is this energy when some crazy shit happens in the other side?
So anyone calls Cenk out in this for being on a right wing tour to "unite on common grounds" while bashing Harris for campaigning with Liz Cheney? I'm only 10 minutes in.
Liz Cheney is establishment. Cenk's thesis is that the voters are completely fed up with the establishment.
@@laurentbergeronmusic Cenk's thesis is i am against the establishment at any cost.
@@grandgibbon2071 You can disagree with him, but you can't say he's being hypocritical.
@@laurentbergeronmusic Trump is literally hanging out with the richest people in the world. Trump is literally threatening Panama over giving the US the canal back. Trump is literally threatening Panama with war over this issue.
So yes Cenk is a hypocrite.
Liz and Kamala "uniting" was against Trump and he is a bigger threat than Liz Cheney. Cenk "uniting" with MAGA against the corporate democrats means he thinks the establishment are a bigger threat than MAGA, even though Trump's cabinet is the definition of establishment and MAGA supports them. It's a joke.
Cenk is the new Dave Rubin 🤷🏽♀️
@captainradio5894 care to elaborate on what ideas?
@captainradio5894 thanks for elaborating. I'm not really convinced that Cenk believes what he was spouting but I can see what you mean.
Such a dumb take.
5 minutes in and I'm giving up. Destiny just sounds like someone looking for an argument. He definitely doesn't sound like someone who understands politics in the U.S.
The thing people have to realize is that you shouldn't allow people to add qualifications for collaborating on a single issue. If the goal is to work with people to get money out of politics, why the fuck should you care about anything else? The point is to reach out, not reach around. If people qualify that you must also do this and that or be something else just for us to work on this one issue, their focus is to undermine and destroy you.
Cenk looks cheap he looks desperate, and he looks like he has zero integrity. I un subscribed from TYT just yesterday.
Turning Point is not Hitler youth. All destiny does is spurg and talk fast.
Am I the only one who finds the term 'populism' troubling? Being a populist isn't a positive to me. They're offering overly simplistic solutions to complex issues.
Maybe cause mainstream media has been demonising the term for ages.
Populism: "a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups"
It doesn't mean simplistic solutions. Although "it only offers unrealistic, simplistic solutions" is one of the common attacks mainstream media uses against populism. So I can't fault you for thinking it's actually inherent to populism.
Yes why would politicians or governments appeal to the masses? Especially in a democracy. That must mean simple and fascist solutions right? Hur dur.
Thats the same issue I have with "democratic socialism" and just taxing the wealthy. 😅
@@Garrett_Bear_Stap Verbalize what's actually wrong with taxing the wealthy.
I'll help though, the wealthy/business tax flight has literally NEVER been shown to happen, so that's dead in the water.
Trickle down economics have been PROVEN to be bullshit, so that's dead in the water as well.
Good luck.
@@criticalcandor The masses currently believe that our economy is performing poorly despite the fact that we're outperforming every other G7 country in the world by 3x the average directly due to bidenomics. The masses currently know literally nothing about J6, nothing about basically anything.
You wouldn't apply this belief to literally ANY other field of life, ever. If you were on a raft that was sinking in the ocean, you had eight people who were just random people who had never ever seen a raft before, and then you had two people who were DESGINATED RAFT REPAIRMEN, you would literally NEVER opt for a vote to decide what should be done, you would appeal to the raft repairmen.
But also, populism is not appealing to the masses, you're being disingenuous, literally every politician "appeals to the masses" that's what campaigning even is in the first place. Populism is creating a cartoonish idea of "common people" who are good, vs an evil "elite" and then pretending like there's any actual evidence of any harm committed by this mythical elite. Populism is scapegoatism where you create a boogeyman (immigrants, donor class, the swamp, whatever you guys think up on the drop of a hat) that magically explain every problem you ever have in a neat way, and then suggest that the answer to fixing that problem isn't actually any specific policy or anything like that, it's just getting rid of that one mythical boogeyman and then magically the world will be a utopia. It's r*tarded. You are r*tarded.
"Cenk has crossed the Dave Rubicon." Lmao
>replaces one establishment with another
>wow you guys defeated the establishment woow you're so awesome wooow
thats literally how it works yes. no one is an anarchist here.
@@JB-vq3yl huh? so it’s not about destroying the establishment but just changing it to a different one? then why all the talk about politicians being inherently bad and the need to switch them… with some nondisclosed whatever?
@@wittywolk yes. whether a person thinks politicians are inherently bad or not, pretty irrelevant. its about shifting political and institutional paradigms away from the structural status quos of the social, political, economic - really simple. i guess their vision for the future could account for some inherent drive for a person to 'sin' or use their power inappropriately. like, perhaps changing public officers law.
left, right, doesn't matter because the libs have lost. destiny wants to wait it out, wait out the political cycle, but that's not where my money is moving forward.
@@JB-vq3yl bunch of empty words
@@wittywolk if that makes you feel better about where your support lies
Jesus.... Cenk... WTF????? He's gone way further than I realized.
I called this out so long ago I did a write up on it. It's crazy that he's sitting there Sing off the biggest establishment, corporatist shills on the planet.
He thinks these people are anti establishment/anti donor class, they are not. These people are pro trump sycophants. He is trying to ride their wave and hope that he can swoop in these people but he just looks like a lap dog.
He’s actually the same as he’s been. Just attuned to the actual political reality of getting his ideas heard
For the record I think many of his ideas suck.
@@TillThenPlease He's focusing on trying to form a coalition just for getting money out of politics. That's not the same as becoming a maggot. The problem with people like you is that you're an all or nothing kind of weasel. If your opinions had any real value, the country would have swept blue, but as we saw what happened, it wasn't worth anything. If you and your kind of people say home on election day, my case was made.
Idiotic to cheer for trumpets that boo old school republicans for the wrong reasons. Zero to do with policies
@@droptableaccount1820 Your psychotic caricature could've at least been humorous, but you refuse to even grant us that relief.
@@droptableaccount1820Low-effort troll account.
@@droptableaccount1820 To be fair Trumpers support the big country invading the weak country.
The reason people are more comfortable with elon using his influence to change the status quoue and not people like george soros, is because A) elon is very public about his goals, likely the most public in human history. B) he does not espouse anti american values or shit in capitalism the way people like george does. C) he has not done anything to warrant the kind of distrust steven and pisco have towards him. What do you think elon is going to do that is going to be bad for the country? How would you even come to that assessment with no prior actions of his to base it off of? You really think he is just doing this to make more money? I hate when people nail others to the cross before theyve even done anything.
It's almost painful to see a grown man humiliate himself that much.
Destiny isnt a grown man
@blacktara123 ??? Stop using drugs friend.
Imagine Charlie Kirk identifying as a populist representative 😂😂😂 and up next we have Kenneth Copeland the renowned Marxist Leninist
Almost the entire right Wing are populist
“Crossed the Dave Rubincon”
Holy crap, Destiny and his guest have terminal TDS
1:26 the young Turks are baffling. This energy was socially acceptable and profitable back in 2016. It wasn’t correct but you could still pass yourself off as a liberal while being MAGA curious. Now Trump IS the establishment for the Republican Party.
8:39 - 9:00 holy... this really is that bad. How do you even fix this?
This is how I talk to right wing uber drivers so they don't fuck up my 5 star rating out of spite.
thank you Destiny!
Elon Musk 1 billionaire on the right and they freak out. Y’all have all the billionaires but are against the establishment 😂😂😂😂
What a bunch of losers. Cenk says let’s take the win and work towards government reform, take the money out of politics- the number one thing he’s ever wanted. But the destiny crew says let’s love our donors cause they claim to be blue.
Cenk upset that America will never make him president so now flip, dip and skip with this mess. Wow
This is like when Mirene from Fresh n Fit was trying to buddy up with Nick Fluententas against blacks being completely oblivious to how Nick hated him just as much XD
On Tyranny....... Obeying in advance 😢
Destiny is taking huge issue with this "wrapped around Dick Cheney" statement from Cenk about Kamala but is missing the forest for the trees.
Kamala did not appear together, sure. However, she did thank him for his support multiple times and made it a big deal in a public speech. There were hundreds of articles written about this and it was covered for days if not weeks by mainstream media. Let's not pretend like it wasn't important.
5:13 I don’t know that democrats cared. Was anyone like “I’m not voting for her” because of that?
I mean it’s ironic that the architect of unitary executive theory Dick Cheney himself is arguing against the fruits of his own labor. He’s also a big cause of the Iraq war because he stove piped the bad intel to justify it.
She could’ve approached it differently sure but she doesn’t control his endorsement.
Do you think its normal that mainstream media made a big fuss about the Cheney endorsement but completely downplayed the fact that multiples former Trump staff and even his former military commander John Kelly came out publicly to say that Trump has fascistic tendency? The democrat were and still are the media (mainstream and alternative) little bitch.
Let's be honest, if Dick Cheney came out in support of Trump, do you think we would be talking about it right now?
People here be coping hard with being sellouts. 2000s liberals should be shocked. But media lying about Trump being a dictator is all they needed to justify their acquiescence
She didn't praise him because she liked his policies. Jesus .
@@jackdupp2047 Never said she did. Jesus.
All this anger towards tyt is wild
He power in dark side grows.
34:50 doge isn't a real government agency and cannot be an agency unless Congress creates it. So anyone leading these agencies when these yahoo's show up can tell them all to leave. Elon should be nowhere near congress either. The guy has government contracts, he has no business being involved with government trying to regulate things and stop bills. Like wtf is happening.....
When the democrats get in all his government contracts should be cancelled
It's frustrating no one's even talking about a good faith perspective on what Chenk is trying to do, which is unite the populist/anti-establishment left and right. In a million ways, Chenk consistently states his desire for populist policies. Policies that 70%+ of Americans agree on across both parties. He has always consistently shit on every democratic president and congressperson as letting down the country and not being truly for the the progressive populist policies they campaigned on. Nothing he's saying is against that. He is however, threading a fine needle to present as maleable as possible to this maga crowd. Its nuance, but he has not supported Elon or Trump. He is really doing the same thing he's done to left wing politicians that promise populist policy. Saying "we'll see". He doesn't really think they'll make good decisions or that any positive outcomes that align with populist policy will be for the right reasons, he's just acknowledging what things they're saying are populist. Chenk's current objective is to change the image the right has of him as "left-wing" (which to them means democrat) and redefine himself as "populist" (which he'll hope to point out to them the particular beliefs they hold that aren't actually right-wing (all the statistically popular policies Chenk always highlights.) Once Cenk gets these brainless, mind rot, cultlike tribal followers that are republican voters (not just MAGA) to cheer him on and declare him as a trustworthy authoritative voice to listen to, he's counting on the Psychological principle of Commitment and Consistency. Cenk, like all of us, are aware none of these Republicans are genuinely anti-establishment. Or that if they are, they're the low-informaruon types that have shallow and aesthetical anti-establishment sentiments, but are ignorant and lazy enough to believe Trump and Republican's lies. But just like Destiny can't believe how all these Republicans of days gone are now supporting policies that are anti-republican and anti-american, these people can be tricked into going anti-republican and anti-trump with the same tactic that has them against their own values now: Commitment and Consistency. Once they support Cenk and believe he's good faith and a trustworthy source, they'll be more likely to respect what he says when he points out how Elon and Trump aren't keeping their promises or make bad policy. By pretending to be open to Trump and Elon now, the MAGA crowd will be more likely to trust him when he calls them out for letting "us" down (Cenk/Populist and the unknowingly grifting as populist MAGA folk).
Pisco and Destiny are acting like every negative thing Cenk says about Democrats is an endorsement for the right. Its not. Cenk has always been against Establishment democrats and does not believe they represent his views despite of course, having to vote Democrat over the filth that is the republican party. He's just carefully saying things he genuinely believes that will gain good favor with this crowd. But he hasn't actually said Trump is great or Elon is great or the rights policies are great. He wouldn't say that. The furthest he'll go is highlighting the things they "say" that are populist and pretending to be open to the potential that Trump and Elon will follow through, because it's in the future and is speculative.
The moment around 60:13 sums it all up. Cenk is mainly, as he always has, pushed for populist policies, not progressive but populist. Policies he defines as supported by 70%+ of Americans across the political spectrum. And that it's pointless to fight over the fringe issues that the left and right are not going to come together on. We're not going to agree on gun control, abortion, trans issues, etc. But let's unite to vote for the things we do agree on.
And its ashame this panel didn't give Cenk his credit right after that. He admitted he's for trans people. He admitted he's for gun control. And you guys sat their and said he wasn't going to. And you gave him no props. You didn't eat your words at all. And somehow you didn't find the awareness to realize what Cenk has really been saying and what he's really trying to do.
TLDR, Cenk is leaning on his populist over views over his progressive views to expand the Populist and TYT base to include right-wing "populists" instead of being mis-seen as left-wing.
Here's my comment to Luke Beasley watching this same video.
Luke, I don't think Cenk is unaware of MAGA's reasons and motivations for grifting that they're anti-establishment. The Right's anti-establishment narrative is the flipside of the coin that birthed the Left's disproportionate media coverage of Trump. Where the left-wing media overcompensates to avoid being seen as having Trump Derangement Syndrome, the Right grifts as anti-establishment to avoid being seen as low-information cult members. Cenk is attempting to leverage their anti-establishment statements and behaviors, which Trump has fostered, to align them with the actual populist progressive movement.
By pointing out their anti-establishment stance, he's using the psychological principle of 'Commitment and Consistency:' once someone verbally or publicly commits to a belief, even if it’s not deeply held, subconsciously they feel compelled to maintain it to avoid cognitive dissonance. He's grifting their grift. Cenk doesn't believe in a million years that Donald Trump or Elon Musk will be net positives. Instead, he's grifting to reshape their narrative of himself and TYT so that they see them as anti-establishment instead of left-wing. By engaging with MAGA and pretending to be open to Trump's potential, Cenk is taking advantage of their sheepish ways that follow and parrot anyone on thier side",
Then, he lays stronger Commitment and Consistency foundations in MAGA to the anti-estabsentiment sentiment by repeatedly emphasizing their grift back to them.
He's not aligning with them; he's aligning them with him.
And as a leader and representative in the anti-establishment space, he's been providing their fox brainwashing with the assumptions and expectations that populist progressives have. Cenk is trying to set himself up for a win/win/win scenario.
Either:
'A,' MAGA demands true populist outcomes, and Trump does it because he cares most about appealing to his base (least likely).
'B,' MAGA is aware and upset when Trump fails or lacks to even attempt populist policy (more plausible).
Or 'C,' Trump eventually fades away, and the Commitment and Consistency effect leaves a populist identity in the wake of a fading MAGA cult.
TLDR: Cenk sees an opportunity to bring in more people from the Right and grow the populist party by getting them to double down on their populist grift and see that Trump isn't actually anti-establishment or for the little guy.
Let's test this content section...
I see a comment section full of insults, but... no grounded arguments against any of the points he made. He spoke for about 30 min, and most of it is reiterating things he'd said years ago.
Don't be a coward and cherrypick one little thing you disagree with. He gave you lots of material to disagree with, and all of it appears to be grounded. But if you really disagree that much with everything he said, And can't actually deliver any arguments against them, then you don't actually disagree. And you're watching Destiny less for information and more for instruction about how you should feel.
I guess you are self snitching with your last sentence. Healthy people watch youtubers for content, not truth. But I guess a populist would not understand that, cuz apes together strong being the ideology.
The issue is that there ISN'T anything to disagree with.
Cenk abandoned all his principals and morals to buddy up with the winning side.
He won't say anything even lightly bad about MAGA because it will get him boo'd.
Did you even watch the video?
You did not make a single argument. Not one. You are the moron that points at other people's arguments and say "That is what I mean." I can not say it that good but that there. There were no arguments. Just populism good. Test yourself some of us are not really fans of Destiny. We are also not seeking attention in his channel all while showing that you yourself have not a single argument. Cenk has parroted Bernie for years. All Cenk does is cry about MSM and the elites. The deep state. he is very vague on purpose.
we lost the popular vote to trump of all people and a lot of people that were on the left went independent. he is trying to get the people that left back. saying and dointg the same thing is just getting more people to leave. odds are his plan will not work but its better then doing nothing let him try
This reminds me of why no one on the right will ever listen to Destiny. He's so hostile and petty to everyone who disagrees with him. I miss when he would talk with people and actually try to understand their views. Now he screams
There are 2 parts to this. I agree his hate of all thing conservative is just dumb af. His hate of populism however is something that makes sense. Influencers like Cenk that believe that Trump with do any of the policies that he wants is ridiculous. People that say donor class, elites, deep state are not people to listen to. They don't have specifics so they generalize everything. Nobody on the right listens to anyone that doesn't just agree with them. Same on the left. Kirk is listening to Cenk because he just continues to pander to them.
Her campaign bragged about Chenney endorsing her.....
It was like… one statement? And stating a fact isn’t ‘bragging’.
God you people are so stupid. I wish you could see how everything looks from my perspective; from the perspective of an intelligent person.
@@matsab7930there were hundreds of articles written about her bragging about her Cheney endorsement. Wake up and get from under the big old rock you're stuck under
One of the most annoying things in politics is how pundits constantly accuse every one of being insincere/grifters etc.
45:05 the way Cenk here just labels the entire DNC establishment of literally only caring about money, as if he and TYT have a complete monopoly on principle and integrity. Politicians are hateable indeed and of course money has a pervasive influence on politics, but "they only serve the donors" thing is so reductionist. Does he think X Republican politician would flip on their pro-second amendment beliefs if an anti-gun org. donated a couple million to their campaign funds? I can see why he likes Bernie Sanders because both of them engage in so much demagoguery. Their entire movement has for 20 years been a movement of anger and demonizing your political opponents as bad people.
Sort of how destiny is doing right now during this commentary? Vowing to always hating his fellow Americans that are maga? That's really all about uniting huh?
@@paulmoore3280 I agree tbh. I enjoy Destiny's content but he's never been harder to watch than he is now.
It's funny how he'll steelman both sides of Israel-Palestine and explain how brainrotted perspectives on both sides came to exist, but with Conservatives he just calls them evil, mentally-ill sub-humanoids. It makes one wonder what the purpose of watching Destiny even is.
@@DezsoLochsabre He clearly doesn't possess the fortitude to keep his commentary balanced and fair because of his bias. There's bias on both sides. Let me let me just be clear and but if you can't recognize the bias on your side then you're captured by your own conscience.
@@DezsoLochsabre literal consciously sticking your head voluntarily in the sand and screaming at the top of your lungs, so you can't hear what's being said until you hear something that you agree with
“The donor class”… 😂
You mean:
Elon Musk
Donald Trump
Peter Thiel
Vivek The Clown
🎪🎟️
Interesting to call the only brown guy as the clown.
If you think they are clowns, enjoy the circus sore libs
Nah the democrat party which kills them at it every time yet still somehow end up in debt😂
@
Nope. 8/10 biggest donors in the 24’ election supported Trump. You have no clue what you’re talking about. 🤣
Data for marketing purposes:
I would have clicked this video sooner if I knew Pisco would be in it
Cant tell if Cenk has become a useful idiot or if hes legit grifting
Destiny is seeething so hard it’s beautiful comment for the algorithm so more right wing chads see this
13:10 THE DAVE RUBICON lmfaooooo
Oh god hahaha, that is SO good. Totally stealing that.
Destiny has been so trash lately. You lost buddy get over it
He's trash because he calls out Cenk Uygur for making factually wrong claims?
So "destiny's" channel has 862k subs right? He has 167k views on this vid which do the math on that...yet hasONLY 3K "likes". Destiny is seing his DESTINY fade away...
I STILL wonder why all you people go to GOOGLE for your inforation but it makes sense that you want left leaning information instead of going to DUCK DUCK GO...who is becoming more popular for equivalent content.
Ive liked maybe a dozen videos across everything I've ever subscribed to since TH-cam became a thing in 2005. Lots of people just don't engage in that way. Doesn't mean they don't like the content.
I have only ever liked something that I felt. Politics is something that i would almost never like unless it was funny. What you just said is an argumentum ad populum fallacy and it shows a lot about you. You seek attention on Destiny's videos all while being WAY TOO OLD to seek attention from strangers on the internet. You also like videos that validate your own opinions. If you are not being paid to make comments like that then you are a loser of the most epic proportion. Create an actual argument. You can not because you are not clever enough. You used a logical fallacy about likes instead. Populism in a nut shell. You would have been in Hitlers army in a second because populism.
@@evanwestendorf9667 I get that but these content providers CONSTANTLY remind you to like, comment and subscribe because its sometimes, their livelihood.
I'm the same way normally but the people I DO subscribe to that I have commonality with, I normally at least like unless I disagree with that particular content to which then I normally comment.
Is destiny just gonna reeee forever? So sad 😢😢😢😢😢
Its all he knows how to do.
@@droptableaccount1820like ~40% of the country agree with Steven. The election was close.
When the "home of progressives" snugs up to maga, yes, we will reeeeee.
@@matsab7930Not everyone who voted against Trump worships Harris and co..
The state of the Democratic party, not the Democratic party
It’s stupid to argue Kamala didn’t try to associate herself with Liz Cheney. Cheney did a whole media tour supporting her. The campaign team was in coordination with her
They said Dick Cheney.
@ ya but the implication is both of them support her and Kamala was trying to use them as a bridge to republican voters. Just seems dumb to try and say that’s not what was happening
Harris' biggest mistake was wasting her time on trying to win Nikki Haley's "never trump" base sadly. Nobody seems to be considering why this was a realistic goal though. I thought Harris was wise to fight for center votes...but sadly it seems like Haley's supporters ended up voting for Trump. I never once thought that she actually supported Dick Cheney's legacy by campaigning w/Liz.
Kamala's only mistake was not just treating the voter like children, and just ride the vibes.
I notice Destiny tends to contradict himself sometimes.
Cenk is a professional wrestler of political commentators. Disingenuous and playing to the crowd. Disgusting.
You described Destiny.
@@AndyFromBeavertonHow bro
@@AndyFromBeaverton ?
@@AndyFromBeavertondestiny literally was willing to sacrifice his viewership to joke about the people who died in the trump assassination attempt that’s not disingenuous or playing to the crowd
This video makes me ashamed that I was ever in the TYT ecosphere
Cenk should just downsize TYT. This is pathetic
for doing what being on a show you dont like stop being silly
@@lanceschulz1182The usage of straw-man arguments these days, leaves the impression we're in the twilight zone now. Ascribing intent to complete strangers that disagree with you, with the least charitable straw-man arguments, is not a substantive, or engaging response. It's rather juvenile, and a self-fulfilling contradiction. Especially, after referring to the OP as silly, for intentions you ascribed to them..
"He's crossed the dave rubicon" had me CACKLING
I discovered tyt a while ago and quickly stopped watching them. I don't remember why exactly, my feeling is I just didn't like them.
Didn't really ask bozo
Same
They're Blue Fox News that helps?
@falconeshield but where they always blue fox news? I'm talking I discovered them when it was Hilary vs Trump
@@jason10184no one asked you either bozo
It’s pronounced sink
Cenk Uyghur is a Turk, Cenk is a Turkish name. Turkish has two letters C and Ç, C is equal to the English J and Ç is equal to the English Ch. Cenk thusly is pronounced like Jenk is in English phonotactic rules. Thank me later.
Is Cenk pronounced in English differently than in Turkish?
Am I the only one who can't stand Pisco? Whenever he comes onto Destiny's stream, he speaks like 75% of the time. I want to hear what Destiny thinks, not you bro. Especially in this video where he shouts half the points he makes and is super emotional and annoying.
Nah, he's cool. He keeps Destiny human.
Hold on let me go get a red bull
Can you ban mfers that use the words "slurp/slurping" more than 58 times in one hour during your streams....? Might up the listenability of your videos.
@11:55 pisco jumbled this terribly. Cenk isn’t saying he prefers trump over Kamala, he spent the entire election cycle wanting Kamala over trump and before that Biden over trump. He’s saying he want the left to revolt (rhetorically) against the leaders of the party the same way the right did that ended up with trump in charge. And going on a republican space and not yelling and screaming doesn’t mean someone is on that side now. I understand not agreeing with the methods cenk is using to bring both sides together, but your bias has you closed minded. Do you even watch tyt in its entirety? Or just clips on twitter?
Pisco has lost his mind a bit post election. I thought I took it hard but he's driving off a cliff. Hopefully he chills out a bit
Let's recap, little buddy, cause you're struggling and it's pathetic.
Cenk gets on stage, congratulates MAGA on their "revolution," outright states that MAGA IS NEEDED, condemns Kamala Harris and Joe Biden BY NAME (again, after praising Trump and his MAGAts), yaps about the DONOR CLASS and FAKE NEWS while IGNORING the multiple billionaires that have managed to literally buy their way into power within the US Government thanks to Donald Trump, and then says that the left NEEDS to do a SIMILAR REVOLUTION against people like KAMALA HARRIS AND JOE BIDEN SPECIFICALLY.
You are an actual MOUTHBREATHER if you can look at all of that and think "Oh I think he's neutral on both Kamala Harris and Trump there, he's just bringing both sides together"
HE IS ONLY CONDEMNING ONE SIDE! HE IS LITERALLY *ACTIVELY PRAISING* THE OTHER SIDE!!
Reminder that Cenk is now making videos about people like Gaetz where he tries REALLY hard not to condemn him. Cenk is a SELL OUT. Cenk is a populist MAGAt.
You need to be ashamed of what you just wrote, delete your comment and do better.
There is no such thing as left vs. right in America anymore. There is only establishment vs. anti-establishment. Cenk is anti-establishment. MAGAts are anti-establishment. Do the fucking math.
This is the same exact argument that all the disgusting MAGAts give for why the mainstream media was biased against Trump. They point to the most SURFACE LEVEL CRITICISMS offered by the media environment, while the media ACTIVELY ignores all of the ACTUAL bad things MAGA is doing (This is what Cenk is doing on TYT RIGHT NOW, as we speak. He is copying left mainstream media verbatim at this point, just point to hollow "orange man bad" statements while ignoring the billionaires in the cabinet etc etc.) and they pretend that that means they're actually against him. No, they're helping him, MASSIVELY. Going "ur mean actually" does not constitute a hard hitting journalism.
So you think when someone carries extreme levels of water for one side only, praising that side, calling what they did a successful revolution against an evil establishment, saying that MAGA is NEEDED, calling out Kamala Harris and Joe Biden SPECIFICALLY by name and saying that WE need to do EXACTLY what TRUMP did (remember that ALL implies Trump is a HERO who hsa done GOOD THINGS. That is what he is telling you, he is saying MODEL OURSELVES AFTER DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP DESTROYED THE ESTABLISHMENT even though that is literally the exact opposite of what Trump did and Cenk KNOWS that.) means that he feels equally bad about both Kamala and Trump?
Okay. You don't know what you're talking about. It's time for you to do some soul searching and stop coping about your favorite far leftist turned leftist maga grifter.
I think it's hysterics and standard tribalism, Cenk is trying to get help from outside the tribe so now he's a legitimate target and doesn't have to be treated like a person.
Holy fuck his ONE ask was "we should give trans people the same rights as other people" and he couldn't get them to all agree on that.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Charlie Kirk looks like a live action Beavis with his exposed gums and popadore, give this man a blue AC/DC shirt and tell me I'm wrong. MF sounds like him too
No saying it to burn him don't really care much to what they are talking about just saying, if after watching this, if the algorithm spits y'all out at that live action peter Griffin guy don't be surprised.
Destiny is a failure
Love this type of intro!
The left be melting 🫠
Crossing the Daverubicon. Bravo, Pisco 👏
I have been watching TYT for a while, and it was pretty painful to watch Cenk up there with Charlie Kirk basically being played. However, I do believe that Cenk will eventually wake up soon into the new presidency that it is nothing but smoke and mirrors. I am not so sure about Ana, but Cenk is not fully lost in my opinion.
I’m pretty sure TYT has been going under the last few years I think cenk’s looking for a new lane to keep the company afloat
Charlie Kirk made Cenk his little play thing just like Trump is being owned and controlled by Elon Musk. I miss when Trump used to at least pretend to be tough. 😢
Cenk started out making fun of Bush Jr in the 2000s. He has always gone with the wind goes.
Ana is GIONE
Cenk knows how bad Trump will be. This is a very cynical, premeditated move on his part.
Odd how Cenk will take a yes from MAGA but refuses a yes from Democrats.
Democrat party doesn't exist anymore
At 11:45 when Pisco remarks on Cenk saying we need to do a revolution against Kamala, Biden etc any of us on the left with a brain know that doesn't mean he prefers Trump over Kamala. You and I both know he means we need to get rid of the "establishment" democrats and vote in people like AOC. I would rather have heard your real opinion on that stance rather than a strawman argument. I've stopped watching most progressive platforms in favor of yours because you are always on point, so please stay that way.
TYT trying hard for new memberships. Saw this coming about two years ago. Sad.
4:50 WHY DOES HE HAVE TO PLAY CONTRAIRIAN ON EVERY LITTLE THING. she was boasting about his endorsement multiple times and that move had 0 upsides. cmon man its not that hard
He should have said, Let’s say what do you think of Trump 😂😂
Unironic horseshoe theory being realized
Not really. Cenk is not extreme left
Idk he’s just a populist and has been forever.
Wow cenk, that was a sad and embarrassing display. Truly shameful.
Isn't DonOld Dumb the epitome of 'establishment' though?... 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆 Unbelievable
you think thats the epitome of the establishment? you can say a lot of things about trump but thats not a true one.
I don't think you know what the establishment is. The establishment has always hated him.
@@DJeffvegas1 establishment doesn't mean the people you don't like
@@pauliePwalnutsSure, Trump's never been in the jet set limelight. Billionaires are finally getting their place at the table they've been so long been denied 😂😂😂
@@StinkCabbage Billionaires have had their place at the table for as long as we've been alive, it's only an issue now because before all those billionaires had the correct political leaning and their funding helped to prop up the establishment. Now other billionaires with opposing political beliefs are coming to the table and using their funding to topple said establishment, and suddenly it's now an issue that billionaires can influence politics, it's all so transparent.
PISCO IS SO AUTISTIC LMFAOO
It’s aggravating
Destiny is more captured than he thinks.
He's been spiraling for a few months now. It's heartbreaking to watch him lose it.
I've finally know what Pisco looks like, today is a big day.
He’s literally dumbing it down for the whole crowd Trump good democrat bad ! Applause woo hooo 👏🙌🎉🎉
Destiny thinks he knows everything and it's so cringe, can't stand him. Cenk has been doing politics significantly longer than destiny, I think he knows a thing or two.
I'm baffled. If Cenk would turn any conservative heads with this speech it would be some woodo sh*t.
To blame the establishment as such is a problem. Any new government will be an "establishment" progressive or not. Better to focus on the corporate donations that get political benefits. The Nordic countries has tax money for this purposes, equal for all parties.
THE DONOR CLASS!!!!
I have a donor class A drivers license!