Quake Live movement Tutorial: Strafe Jumping
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- Skip my admittedly long introduction: 7:40
Strafe Jumping is the heart of Quake Live movement for everyone who thinks simply walking is too slow. It allows you to gain massive amounts of speed along a straight line. The mouse movement is especially crucial here, so I'm trying to explain in-depth what is going on.
Coming from Counter Strike, I can't seem to shake the habit of letting go of W when strafe jumping lmao
same. and i also cannot get my hand away from that jump button
Coming from TF2, where strafe-jumping is used to turn in mid air, and holding W ruins it, it's not ny problem
Tf2 and same
Only played 2.5 hours of this game back in 2016 and barely got any achievements. I return today and quit after 1.5 hours trying to learn basic movement. Apex Legends movement is fine but trying to learn this is absolute mental torture for me.
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Quake Arena Arcade
i didnt rlly understand i play csgo and i know how to bhop there but in quake live it isnt the same, do i have to hold w becus in cs while bhopping u do not press w
Yes you hold w and the direction key that you're turning the mouse to.
thnx a lot gonna take time to get used to
888 ; ) i can't sorry
Less shit talking
I agree please stop.
LephariaGaming savage
What a save!
Video "starts" around 7:40
thank you.
thank you holy shit this man should be a teacher he is fucking boring
Played Quake for 15 years and still not tired of it :)
still can't strafe from bridge to rail on q3dm6
You absolutely do not need to master the third stage because it is RIDICULOUS and that shit never happens in QL or QC. This is a training platforming level and that's it.
yes strafe jumping is important and does separate a novice from a seasoned player, however there are many other aspects like ROCKET JUMPING for instance that can be used with strafe jumping to fly across the map!
The first two challenges of that stage are more skill checks to see if you got the technique down. You are right in that they will probably never show up like this in a real game of Quake, nevertheless they are very vital to master.
What made me chuckle is that the last challenge is modelled after the bridge-to-rail jump on Campgrounds (dm6), an actual map. Yes this does come up and it's one of the most infamous spots in all of Quake. You ABSOLUTELY need the skills to make that jump.
I agree rocket jumping does exist and is very important too, but keep in mind that rocket jumping 1) damages you 2) takes away valuable ammo and 3) needs a rocket launcher in your arsenal, which might not be there, especially if you just spawned on the bridge on dm6 and need to get to the rail gun. So don't put this challenge of as nonsense just yet.
Just some constructive criticism...you don't start the tutorial until almost 4 minutes in. I did stuck through it because It seems like you know what you're talking about. However, I'm sure there are plenty of other viewers who may not be so patient :)
+canceronyofoot See, I have a simple rule when it comes to my channels. It's not what you say, but how you say it. You're free to criticise me all you want, as long as it's in a respectful fashion. Your comment is the epitome of that. I wish there was a "comment hall of fame" so I could put your comment in there for all to see. Not being sarcastic here, more comments like that would make TH-cam a better place. So thanks :)
Anyway, that line of criticism has been brought up a bunch of times and I can see it, too. To be honest, it's probably due to the video being kind of rushed out when I saw that QL was released on Steam. And the fact that I love to ramble about such things. If I were to make the video again (which I'm not going to cause it's still my most successful one by far :D) I'd try to cut to the chase a lot quicker. As you say people just get turned off otherwise. Well, you live and learn I guess, so I hope I at least remember that in future videos :)
+LephariaGaming I'm not sure if you've done this, but after watching most of your tutorials this seems to be the first in your "Basics" series; so you could arrange them in a playlist and use this one as your intro. You even stated that you were producing it because of the Steam release. Looking at it in that context kind of excuses the long winded introduction.
+LephariaGaming Even your comments are needlessly long-winded.
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The secret to good sustained strafe jumping (i.e. 2000 units+) is to look forward at the next thing that you are approaching, and adjusting your mouse angle etc to compensate. It took me ages to figure this out, because I was focusing on the ground and my timing for the next strafe key and jump sequence. But once I lifted my head up everything changed!
I practice on quakelives, raztrainql_beta3. It has good strafe jumping for beginners to advanced as well as movement maps etc.
!DA
plus explain “mouse angle to compensate“. Compensate for what and how?
The last stafe jump is literally impossible. I tried so many times but keep falling at the third one.
You need Circle jumping for that. I have a video on it as well :)
my mistake was to click jump to early, it is litterally required at the end of mouse circle. also just realised that one dont neet do do it so smoothly, it just needs to be done quick
Dont do the same mistake as I did and hold SPACE whilst jumping. Rebind jump to right mouse and click it instead.
Hello. Thank you for teaching the strafe jumping technique,.. that keyboard pressing display (right up corner), and the speed diameter + your explain helped A LOT !! now i understand a bit more strafejump, and im a bit closer to my goal (making speedruns in doom3). but i still have to practice that strafejump, because im still lame at it :D, im moveing too much to the sides and impacting obstacles :D , my mouse control is bad and i dont know what is the minimum mousemove needed, but i keep practice :D
Comments like that help keep me going :)
practised 3 days 2-3 hrs a day still haven't passed the beam no4 on the third lane... this is so frustrating... Now I using strafe jump practice to replace counting sheeps to help me fall asleep lol. BTW man althogh I jumped to min 7, still i really appreciate your explanations on the history of strafe jump and why it is still here today. You should really play quake champions.
You are a godsend. I just went back to Q3A and forgot a lot that I learned from actual people on servers back in the day. Nobody had videos like this, so you had to just play and hope to run into somebody who will teach you. haha Is this map available for Q3A? I can't buy QL for a while. And what is the name of this map?
Thanks! I'm not familiar with Q3A but you access this map in QL through the training or by /map qzpractice2. Maybe this helps, sorry I can't give you more info.
@@LephariaGaming It's okay, there are some Q3A maps for training. Thanks for the answer.
What program do you use to display your keyboard?
Thanks for posting this, was looking to TH-cam for something like this due to the fact that Quake Live's built in tutorials suck ass, lol. Explained a hell of a lot more clearly here.
I still really wish they had kept actual bunnyhopping from the real Quake in though, it doesn't make any sense at all to remove it, and replace it with strafe jumping as literally the only way to gain speed by junping, I got pretty pissed to find out it's literally impossible to bhop in it.
Just doesn't make sense to remove it as bhopping is a much more efficient way to move for sure, and doesn't feel "sticky." I think I could have fun with Quake Live though if I let myself just get used to it.
I like these tutorials, very helpfull, finaly managed to get past the first part of the third course.
I'm legit confused on how to do the last section of the third part. I can't seem to get enough speed to make it, I always touch the tip that stick out near the railgun :/
mango40000 crouch before landing?
Echo crouching won't help
Just need practice. With time your strafe becomes better and you get more speed that lets you get the jump fairly consistently.
2020 guys i love u now i can be quake live pro maybe
Google: "can't load raztrainql_beta3 since update"
Ah, thank you for the heads up. I'll pop that in. Man that's a shame, that map was great.
LephariaGaming What I meant to say was: Google the words "can't load raztrainql_beta3 since update" and you will find the solution. You can either use the tool "quakelivedec" or download a fixed version of the map.
Oh i see :D Good to know, thanks!
I have trouble sending my cursor the direction i am going... Well i do send it the direction i am going but i never speed up just like you :S.
And 1 more question. Which avatar has the least annoying jump sound? When you are jumping their screams are so annoying >.
1) Most newer players make the mistake of overdoing the mouse movement. When QL came to steam I had troubles too at first because my sensitivity wasn't set up properly. It's a very subtle and smooth movement of just a few degrees. Keep practicing until you find the sweet spot.
2) Try Doom or Bitterman, they're both pretty low-key imo. I used to have Sarge or Visor set because I really liked the sounds, but my viewers kept complaining haha.
LephariaGaming Thank you for the tips ! :)
cinkom cinkom No problem, let me know if you have more questions ;)
LephariaGaming Is there a way to get a custom map for strafe jumping? The training room isnt enough for me since i beat it already and can be consistent with it. I enjoy strafe jumping more then playing the game it is supposed to be played. Strange huh?
It felt a bit easier than in the original Quake.
+A. Sender I cannot respond to your comment directly for some reason. The program I use is called Nohboard.
+LephariaGaming HOW U GET THOSE STATS
+miciso666 What do you mean? The speedometer? type /cg_speedometer followed by a number for different versions into console.
Kinda difficult. I always stop gaining speed when I land, don't know why. ):
Too used to bhopping on CS:GO. lol
He said he's not good, but I see the opposite haha even strafejumping backwards at one point hahaha 10/10
Jesus, the sense of entitlement on display in these comments! If someone isn't willing to spend fifteen minutes on a video to learn they shouldn't bother thinking about practice and the time that takes.
Thanks for your video and thoroughness.
I can see the reason they're criticising. If I did the video today it would look a lot different. It's the tone that's more annoying to me.
Man I miss this game. Wish it was still free
It's only 9,99...
Awesome tutorial ! The quake live's tutorial is totally fucked up, your is very clear and efficient !
Thank you very much. Comments like this keep me going :)
Funny that Strafe Jumping was discovered by luck it was not intended by the Devs.
11:07
I still don't understand what should I actually do to go through these idiot pits. I even watched the damn tutorial video for the whole 3'd stage and STILL I can't... What should I actually do? Press W+A/D and what else? Because it's not working for me, even if I go right from the spawn room.
Shawn Falch Notice how I move the mouse in the same direction as the A/D button I'm pressing and how I try to look as straight as possible right before I hit the ground. The slow-mo shows that quite well. It depends a lot on the angle of your mouse movement, if you overshoot you lose too much speed, but you need a sufficient angle to gain enough momentum. Don't get too frustrated when you can't do it right away, once you get the hang of it it becomes quite easy to do.
LephariaGaming maybe i lose the speed because of the mouse look speed?
LephariaGaming maybe i lose the speed because of the mouse look speed?
Could be. It's a very gradual and smooth movement. Pay attention to the slow-motion footage how I do it. And I do it quite sloppily, so there's still lots of room for improvement :)
Shawn Falch Hey. Maybe you don't press A/D all the time while jumping? You have to push the button until you change to the other one. That was my mistake at first.
But even with knowing this I wasn't able to beat this stage at the first day. But on the second day I finally beat it. And now (today's the third day) I'm able to pass this stage pretty frequently. Not every time, but quite often.
I'm using a very high sensivity. A 360 turn does only take 3 cm. So it doesn't really belong to sensivity. It's just practise.
Holy shit man get to the point ! Thanks for the video and all but man, 7:30min in and you're still in the first room ffs :/
Yeah. Been said before and taken to heart. Can't change the video unfortunately. Sorry for wasting your time.
LephariaGaming My bad for being such an a-hole in the way I wrote the thing. I still found your video useful and thank you for putting in the time. (I got the strafing down now :D) Thanks for taking the time to answer. GG
Not at all. It's a valid criticism and was reasonably worded. I just hear it a lot and it's frustrating to me, cause if I could change the video retroactively, I totally would. No hard feelings
Jesus this video could’ve been 3 minutes. Dude talks so slowly and too much fluff
You should practice speeding up your speaking
That's very true, I tend to ramble a lot. Probably a side effect of English not being my first language, but I know I need to work on that, you're right.
I forgot to mention that the video was actually helpful, thanks
No hard feelings, I appreciate the feedback :)
LephariaGaming what is your primary language if I may ask? german maybe? ^^
Yup I'm german :)
is there a mouse inch/360 calculator i use 6in/360 1800dpi mouse what is the equivalent in quake live?
Quote from ESReality: "If you want 15cm/360 then set m_cpi to your DPI and the sensitivity to 24. This is 15cm/360 precisely. [...] Just so you understand, while using m_cpi you divide 360 by the cm you desire and the result is your new sensitivity. 360/15 = 24"
It's way too easy compared to b-hops in CS:GO.
So basically the same as Bhopping in CSGO. im set then.
Same shit like in source but hold w and dont move mouse that much
you click right mouse button for every jump... can you do the third challenge when you hold the right mouse button?
Yes that works and is what I would recommend for a new player. That mechanic was put in after I made the video though and since I was already used to it I did it that way
Nice tutorial and way of explaning. It's kinda hard to get used to this sort of movement after playing CS:GO though. You can also strafe jump in CS but the major difference is that you let go off W and just strafe with A and D (and of course moving your mouse into the corresponding direction). I would like to know if it would be okay to bind jumping on mousewheel? I have played FPS like that since the beginning and it would take me a long time to get used to pressing an actual button for jumpiing.
Sure, you should always do what feels best for you. The most Quake players (including myself) prefer the right mouse button for jumping and use the mouse wheel for rail gun and rocket launcher. But if you're used to this setup then it's probably a good idea to at least try it and if you can pull of the different jumps with it then why not. It is in any case technically possible to bind the jump to the mousewheel.
LephariaGaming How can I bind weapons to the mousewheel? I'm using the Steam Version of Quake Live but if I try to change it in the menu it seems that it doesn't detect my mousewheel as an input. How did you bind it?
Yeah QL's menu is a bit wonky in that regard. You have to open the console and type /bind MWHEELDOWN (or MWHEELUP) "weapon [1-13]" with the appropriate number for the weapon you want to bind. The numbers are
weapon [1-13]
1 = gauntlet
2 = machine gun
3 = shotgun
4 = grenade launcher
5 = rocket launcher
6 = lightning gun
7 = railgun
8 = plasmagun
9 = BFG10K
10 = grappling hook
11 = nailgun
12 = proximity mine launcher
13 = chaingun
Hope that helps :)
LephariaGaming Yeah! That worked. Thank you. :)
Anyone know what HUD he uses?
Spend Hours of practice, still not getting thru the 3rd room. I have no clue what i do wrong cause i guess im pressing the right keys and move the mouse the right way but still not gain enough speed. I guess im to old for doing it right :(
Hey I have my RMB for jumping as well! wow is something I think I read in a pc magazine about a guy who won a 1996 quake tournament and revealed his config... so I've been using that same config in every fps since haha crazy!
jesus fucking christ
this is so hard for me :( thanks for the vid!
+SteezNL Don't give up. It takes a while to get right! :)
Thank you thank you
So strafe jumping is like bunny hopping in CSGO
Except you perform it differently
You also hold W down aswell, which you don't do in csgo or portal2.
Strett Yeah
By the way...the version of Raztrain in the steam workshop works now.
+Ash Scott Nice, thanks for the heads-up!
LephariaGaming
No worries. I still can't get past lane 3 though. I can do the first 3 lanes forwards and backwards. Wish there was a cheat to overlay the right strafing angles and see how they change with speed.
That's...actually a great idea. Sort of like training wheels for the practice maps, I like it :D
As for your problem: Hard to tell unless I see it. Are you tapping jump or holding the button?
LephariaGaming
Kinda trying to press it just before I land, and release it just after. I think I need to try it at timescale .25 or so, to really find where the acceleration is. I've noticed that sometimes there is no noise of your feet hitting the floor and I think those are the jumps I've done something wrong on. I've never noticed missing footsteps in any other map, so I think it's a feature the designer has put in to let you know you messed a jump up. I just haven't figured out what causes it. It could be mis-timing the jump or having the wrong angle, or landing at the wrong angle. I need to make a bunch of demos and watch them back in slowmo but I'm pretty sure those different sounding footsteps are neant to tell you something. It's like the whoosh sound of the jump, but without the sound of your boots smacking into the floor.
What is LMB RMB and other right section buttons????
left/middle/right mouse button. Scrolln wheel up/down
jump on m2 i see
for what is backwards strave jumping when to use
Sometimes it's useful when you're moving towards an objective but want to pressure and opponent that's pursuing you for example. It happens sometimes that you end up between your destination and the enemy.
I did it in this video to 1) show off and 2) show that it's not as difficult as people say once you get it down =)
no matter what i just cannot take off with enough speed to do the platforms on the third path
challenge #3 is not possible to complete and you cannot change my mind
so ima decent bhopper in cs, spent a few hours confused af, so im supost to HOLD W? csm u never that fml
There's about three minutes of content here. The rest is babble.
+Hünar Döngsson True. Hear that a lot. That's why there's an annotation AND a timestamp in the comments to not waste your sweet precious time.
which is the command to see my speed ? (I'm talking about of display in the right - down side)
I noticed you can just hold jump and it jumps all the time but you seem to click jump rather than hold. Is there a reason for this?
I'm really struggling to complete section 3. Been playing for like 2 hours and still haven't completed section 3.
That functionality was put in way after I started playing, so I'm just used to click every time I jump since I learned it that way. As far as I know there's no advantage or disadvantage to doing it either way.
Section 3 is tricky and for the last jump you need Circle Jumping as well, so don't give up ;)
nice.
I cant load up raztrainql_beta3 either but raztrainql_beta2 and beta1 works.
Samo Kotrla Thanks for the heads up! :)
LephariaGaming Here you have decrypted (patched) version of the map www.speedyshare.com/fAgHN/raztrainql-beta3-fixed.zip
Can someone tell me how to activate the red thing on the right corner
i was like this guy is a beast, and then you did it backwards.
Thanks for the flattery, but I'm by no means a beast :D Go watch those QuakeCon games from last weekend if you want to see beasts :)
Is it typical to bind jump to RMB and not space? I'm going to be participating in the Quake Champions beta tomorrow and it'll be my first time playing a quake game on PC.
From what I've seen and read many people do it, including myself ad any pro players. But with pretty much everything it's a matter of taste, so feel free to experiment.
that moment when youve been playing csgo for so long that you cant stop yourself from letting go of W...
When I try to do a full continuous run of 1, I clear the first gap and then have *too* much speed to clear the second...
Yeah that happens. That's a good sign though. But it's also very beneficial to learn to control your speed so you have just the right amount.
Is there any jumping servers on quakelive where you compete against others in speed? Like in quake 2, or quake 3 defrag
yeah, there's 'race' in QL
i know how to jump last jump but im nub
how do you get the box that shows your speed?
+Chillbro Swaggins /cg_speedometer 1. Try any number between 1 and 3 for different versions. 0 to turn off.
What is the name of the tool to show the keys? Is it a quake specific addin or can I use it with other software too? Thank you for the tutorial.
It's called Nohboard. It's a tiny standalone program that you can then capture with OBS or XSplit or whatever you prefer. So you should be able to use it with whatever software or game that you like.
Link: sourceforge.net/projects/nohboard/
Thank you very much.
It's cool. I'd like to see more
What map is this so i can practice? thanks
It's in the training center. Click the cogwheel in the top right corner. Or type /map qzpractice2 in console.
Thanks
No bridge to rail jump? WTF?
That jump is not possible with strafe jumps alone, you also need circle jumps (I believe I even say it in the video), so I cover the jump in my circle jump video, simple logic. Also you should work on your tone when commenting.
LephariaGaming My bad.
LephariaGaming I subscribed to you because your plasma tutorial was spot on. Kudos and thank you.
i cant do the third one AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
that 6 hour intro tho.
This guy is so close to 1k
I was above actually, but I've lost a couple of subscribers. Since I haven't made a video in almost 5 years I don't deserve subs anyway :)
LephariaGaming well, your videos from 5 years ago helped me a lot in quake. Best tutorials out there for quake live
Guys what is this map?
Ignas Tulaba you can find it in training center in quakelive
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Nice Tutorial Helped me a Lot !
Very good and informative. Thank you for that!
Ähm, ähm... Speichelschluck... da krieg ich Plack! ;)
Zumindest mal ein lustiger Diss :)
thanks for this
what map is that?
Emanuel Goncalves You can access that map in the training center. Click on the cogwheel in the top right corner in the main menu. Or type "/map qzpractice2" into your console.
thanks man. and nice video
Thanks for sharing this! :D
how do we get the speedometer up?
Type /cg_speedometer 2 in console.
thank you so much man
Hi dude i picked up quake live today... It took me about 2 min to come to the 3rd rail on the 3rd level of the movement tutorial... I will continue to practice but I just have a question ... Dou you need to hold the 'a' or 'd' button the entire time you're in the air. can you just press it once ... ?
Hold is necessary, I believe.
2:11 and still not showing us how.
That's what the cllickable annotation is for.
LephariaGaming I'm on ios
400 SUB! YEY!
+RunKGam3s Congratz and thanks! ;)
:'D
amazing, how people can talk about nothing...
aaa uuuu ooooo iiiii
HOLY TALKING, just freaking move
Click the link in the annotation or in the description. That's what it's for.
this is a great video and I enjoyed the detailed commentary
I think strafe jumping is a silly bug exploit that makes me unable to take Quake seriously (like so many other historical bugs through the Quake franchise history), but this video does a great job of teaching how to exploit that bug to be more competitive.
+denambren Not an exploit, a feature.
+LephariaGaming That's what my boss tells me to tell customers at work when our software's code is behaving unexpectedly, but can be reasonably justified so as to not have to fix the problem.
Strafe jumping is very much a bug. Carmack wanted to remove it from the game, but players protested to the point where he stopped doing his little devblog and basically stopped answering emails for a while. People can enjoy strafe jumping, sure, but they should never forget that it's a major engine bug, not intended gameplay.
But they could have removoed it, yet chose not to. Sometimes you discover things that where not "meant to be" but enhanced or improved it regardless. Quake without strafejumping would make it just like any FPS. It's Quakes signature.
not worked. wtf??? cheats or fix
+Дмитрий Бельденков Strafe jumping has been in Quake since the original and throughout Q3M and up to QL. Watch any professional Quake match and you will see players use the movement tricks explained in this and the other videos. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it's a cheat.
And good god work on your language, you sound insufferable.
not worked. 3 way on 4 railing does not reach.
+LephariaGaming
not worked. 3 way on 4 railing does not reach.
Then you're doing it wrong. That possibility didn't cross your mind, did it?
+LephariaGaming Used to play Q3 as an attacker in CTF (Jolt, Barrysworld, Clanbase etc) If he thinks you were cheating over things like this (CP9 was heaven to jump in) then he needs to play other FPS (CoD comes to mind) a lot less and practice a lot more :)
While we're on the subject: I recon he'd call people who shoot him out of the air with a RL "cheater" as well.
Bhop in csgo?
Uhm?
Yes?
u talk too much
+Nick Suurland Put in some effort if you want me to care.
fast forward to 6:15 for those wondering
7:40 if you really wanna skip all the boring bits. At least that's what others have said and what I've put in the description. Or ignore the video all together cause it's shit and honestly who even plays Quake Live in 2021 anymore anyway?
says a word, um, another word, also another word, um, word, word, word, _um_ , word, UM, word, word, _UM_ , word, *_UMM_*
Yeah my commentary really wasn't up to scratch 😅
this video is ERM ERMMMM ERM.... ERM
UMMM UHHHH UUMMMMM UHHH WELL I THINK I COULD TEACH YOU IF UMMM YOU UHHMMM UHM THINK I AM UH GOOOD ENOUGH UHHH
Damn! Just get to the point! 14 minute video for a 2 minute tutorial.
Oh great another one. Yeah I get it, got it 2 years ago actually.
It took me 2 years to get to the end of the video
Wow almost 2 months to process each minute of video. I guess you just enjoy watching the nice colours.
I use your voice to fall asleep
I consider that a compliment ♥
dude why are you explaining why someone would want to move fast. just show how to do it. video should be 3 mins.
The game already does that, and it doesn't make sense to anyone at all. Hence, detailed explanation.