thank you for the explanation. for understanding suji I first needed to really comprehend the ryanmen machi furiten rule, like your example 23p with 1p discard also prevents a ron of the 4p.
As a relative beginner who struggles with furiten still, when you say "from now on" at ~14:15 (th-cam.com/video/ai5aec5_cTA/w-d-xo.html) you just mean until the hand is over and it's your turn again since you're in riichi right? As in, it's temporary and after it passes you again you are eligible to ron the 5-pin? Trying to understand temporary furiten as it seems to get me a lot as well. Great video though so far, it's really honestly helped clear it up for me!
Do you have any tips for recognizing all the winning tiles or practicing it? Some Chinitsu/full flush wait patterns are so complicated to wrap my head around and I'm scared of ending up in Furiten or not recognizing a possible win
This is how I go about it, eg 3334567888. First, I take out a pair, then organize from the left. 33 345 678 88, needs 3 or 8. You have a 3 and 8 in chis, so you can slide them over. 333 45678 88 needs 369 and 33 34567 888 needs 258. Then organize from the right 33 34567 888, nothing new. Then organize without a pair 333 4567 888 needs 47. Final wait 23456789.
@@VeselkoKelava I am trying to wrap my head around it, and after a long few minutes I finally understood, sounds really complicated to remember, I guess practice is key
Just a quick question about temporary furiten . When you have an opened hand and 2 pairs , one yakuhai(dragons or turn/seat wind)and the other non-yakuhai. And the only possibility to call for a ron would be to call on the yakuhai pair (1han yaku) -wouldn't you be in temporary furiten if the non yakuhai pair were discarded by one of yur opponents ?
My answer would be yes , since the furiten rules doesn't take into account the yakus .But I got into a little controversy with some friends the other day about this specific case
@@davidsebouk3673 You are correct. Both tiles finish the hand, so passing on either puts you in temporary furiten. As you've said, the one han minimum doesn't come into consideration.
I'm noticing from all these examples that Furiten stops me from completing a straight if I had discarded a tile that otherwise would've completed my hand. So does Furiten stop me from making my final pong?
The “tsk”ing hurts my ears, but it’s a helpful video, thanks! It would help a lot more if you could also share how to fix/remedy the examples you gave. Like, if we’re in furiten, what do we do to fix the hand? Thank you again!
@@death_roe There is a minimum amount of value required to win a hand in this type of Mahjong. So basically the hand doesn't have enough points to be able to declare a win. A yaku is the amount of points that guarantees a win. Examples of Yaku: Seat Wind triple, Dragon triple. Yes I know it's 3 months later and you probably already know by now, but maybe it helps someone else who has the same question.
Thank you! I lost so many times because of furiten.
thank you for the explanation. for understanding suji I first needed to really comprehend the ryanmen machi furiten rule, like your example 23p with 1p discard also prevents a ron of the 4p.
i couldnt really ask anyone since im playing it online, thanks
Thanks. This video really cleared it up for me.
I'm glad to hear that, thank you.
Great video! Helped me a lot. Thank you.
As a relative beginner who struggles with furiten still, when you say "from now on" at ~14:15 (th-cam.com/video/ai5aec5_cTA/w-d-xo.html) you just mean until the hand is over and it's your turn again since you're in riichi right? As in, it's temporary and after it passes you again you are eligible to ron the 5-pin? Trying to understand temporary furiten as it seems to get me a lot as well.
Great video though so far, it's really honestly helped clear it up for me!
If you're riichi and get in furiten, you'll be furiten until the end. The only way to win that hand is if you draw the winning tile yourself.
@@VeselkoKelava ok great thanks!
Do you have any tips for recognizing all the winning tiles or practicing it? Some Chinitsu/full flush wait patterns are so complicated to wrap my head around and I'm scared of ending up in Furiten or not recognizing a possible win
This is how I go about it, eg 3334567888. First, I take out a pair, then organize from the left. 33 345 678 88, needs 3 or 8. You have a 3 and 8 in chis, so you can slide them over. 333 45678 88 needs 369 and 33 34567 888 needs 258. Then organize from the right 33 34567 888, nothing new. Then organize without a pair 333 4567 888 needs 47. Final wait 23456789.
@@VeselkoKelava Thank you very much, I'll try organizing them this es way
@@VeselkoKelava I am trying to wrap my head around it, and after a long few minutes I finally understood, sounds really complicated to remember, I guess practice is key
Just a quick question about temporary furiten .
When you have an opened hand and 2 pairs , one yakuhai(dragons or turn/seat wind)and the other non-yakuhai. And the only possibility to call for a ron would be to call on the yakuhai pair (1han yaku)
-wouldn't you be in temporary furiten if the non yakuhai pair were discarded by one of yur opponents ?
My answer would be yes , since the furiten rules doesn't take into account the yakus .But I got into a little controversy with some friends the other day about this specific case
@@davidsebouk3673 You are correct. Both tiles finish the hand, so passing on either puts you in temporary furiten. As you've said, the one han minimum doesn't come into consideration.
@@VeselkoKelava Thank you so much for answering so quickly !
I'm noticing from all these examples that Furiten stops me from completing a straight if I had discarded a tile that otherwise would've completed my hand. So does Furiten stop me from making my final pong?
Oh, yes, any winning tile. Makes no difference what set it completes, chi, pon or the pair.
Why is the 7 pin not ron-able in the last hand at 23:10 minutes?
You need a 1, 4 or 7p to finish the 4 sets and a pair, but 1 and 4p are in your discards. That means you're furiten, so you can't ron
@@VeselkoKelava ahh yes! I was only looking at the 1 pin. Thanks for the quick response! Great video btw
The “tsk”ing hurts my ears, but it’s a helpful video, thanks! It would help a lot more if you could also share how to fix/remedy the examples you gave. Like, if we’re in furiten, what do we do to fix the hand? Thank you again!
Good day im a new player to this japanese majong, so in order to win while furiten is to tsumo?
That's correct
When you pass on a discarded tile, you're not furiten until your next turn only?
Furiten until your next turn only, yes. But if you're in riichi then furiten until the end.
You are furiten indeed!
At ~5m why doesn't 1 win?
No yaku
@@VeselkoKelava can you actually explain it in simple terms? I don't really understand what a yaku is
@@death_roe not in a TH-cam comment, no.
@@death_roe There is a minimum amount of value required to win a hand in this type of Mahjong. So basically the hand doesn't have enough points to be able to declare a win. A yaku is the amount of points that guarantees a win. Examples of Yaku: Seat Wind triple, Dragon triple.
Yes I know it's 3 months later and you probably already know by now, but maybe it helps someone else who has the same question.
@@Godwinsname this explains at least something! I kinda gave up on learning as it was really difficult to find any easy to understand tutorials