I've said it before & I'll say it again: Take it to one of these guys (ARod, Rainman, Bearded Ford Tech, Ford Tech Makuloco etc) & not a dealership. Dealerships are supposed to protect customers from the manufacturer for warranty work but they are doing the opposite. These guys want you to *want* to come back for other work so they take care of their customers.
This is what worries me about going to a dealer for service or repairs. If someone like you who does this for a living has to fight this crap, the average Joe consumer is screwed. Appreciate you man.
And that's why I did this video. To teach you (the subscriber) what to look for and not just take their word for it. I didn't want to do it. But it was recommended I do it for that information. So you can be aware. Not all dealers are like this. They just happen to pick the wrong person to try and screw over(you shouldn't screw anyone over) but I'm not just average joe know what I mean. I want you guys to have as much information as possible with these ford vehicles. That way when situations do arise you know what to do and how to handle it.
Just want to say THANK YOU!! I just went through a CP4 failure and was denied a warranty claim. After nearly choking on their quote to repair, I started doing my own research. Finding this video saved me thousands. Turns out, they just looked in the tank and drained the fuel/water separator. Saw metal and got maybe an ounce of water, and said it was contaminated fuel. They never pulled the VCV or PCV. Showed them the GSB and they said "Doesn't matter, the fuel is contaminated". Called around to a few other dealers and found one that knew EXACTLY what was going on and even mentioned the proper diagnostic procedure without me even mentioning the GSB. Towed the truck over there, they pulled the VCV, and guess what. No contamination at all besides the metal from the exploded pump. Fully warrantable and fixed just over a week later. The only thing I paid for was the oil change I asked them to do while it was there. Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting this.
Your very very very welcome! I'm glad you didn't just say okay do it when you knew it should be covered. I'm glad this video and the gsb helped you out and you found a dealer who did what they were supposed to do! I'm glad you got it fixed. If you every need anything reach out. Send an email. Share the videos so others don't have to go through this as well. And thank you for taking th time to watch it!
100% warrantable as long as your in by mileage or time. Not a speck of rust on that. Id personally love to see the "fuel sample" with a ton of water in it. These kinda dealers need to be held accountable and we need to continue to inform the customer what is and is not warranty.
@@BeardedFordTech Is it because the dealership gets screwed by Ford for reimbursement of parts and labor to do this particular job? Why does any dealership not want a reputation for "righting a wrong"?
@@tattooedmillionair no. The dealership charges ford for the parts and labor. But they only pay 1.5 times less than customer pay. It's the bad techs that do it. Advisors that don't care and managers that let it happen. There are good dealers and techs out there. They are just consumed by the bad.
Imagine how many guys are getting screwed by Ford because of their bulletin, which will save Fraud=Ford money and cost you!! Just shows you how good the blue oval's gonna treat you if you're not an alpha male, all liars!! you probably would take it in the shorts. And you will. anyway, by driving the blue oval. If you're not familiar of the two dozen $10,000 problem. And at the very least you'll have oil dripping on your driveway, as long as you own one, because that's too expensive to repair as well
2:46 There's nothing quite as awesome as being so qualified in what you know that you can basically confront guys like that point blank with ALL of the knowledge. Actions have consequences.
And yet they are still trying to deny it. Just moving up the chain supervisor after supervisor. I think they finally caught on to what I do for a living and that I was a dealer tech and I'm not messing around.
I’d like to mention another way the customer gets screwed. Say they were right and water was in the fuel. A gas station will never pay for repairs willingly. Collect as much evidence as you can and hire a lawyer for a small claims lawsuit. And this situation is awful. When a service writer says it’s not covered, the average person is not informed enough to fight it. Please do more videos like this informing customers.
True. Fuel stations have water in the tank. But that's what the fuel water separator is for. Also the high pressure pump is lubricated by diesel. Diesel alone is not enough. That's why an additive is needed. But Ford states do not use an additive unless it's the ford approved one (sold in parts department). It's a whole bunch of back and forth. Your right gas station won't pay for it. And a fuel filter won't separate all water. There will always be some water in your tank. That's why the diesel truck has a water in fuel indicator. The average person isn't told enough by the writer. They are just writers and can shoot a line of BS that sounds accurate. They are trying me and pushing my patience. I will do more videos like this. Thank you for the recommendation
@@BeardedFordTech I wonder how many folks have been denied warranty service due to “using an aftermarket product additive”. Or doing your own oil changes and maintenance with an aftermarket filter.
@@thomas7770 aftermarket oil and filter won't void your warranty. That's the thing. You as a consumer can go where you want for oil changes. (just keep your records) cause they will ask for it. As far as additives they take a fuel sample looking for water. Not necessarily an additive unless it gets taken that far. It's a catch 22
No reason anybody should have to pay for.it if it's warranty. That's why I made this video. So people know what to look for. What questions to ask and fight for it.
This is why Dealers Should be Held accountable for there Lies! Customer get's an $18,000.00 for something that should be a warranty Item, and most often just Pay's the Bill and has No Clue what or why they just depleted there saving account because of a CROOKED DEALERSHIP??? The service Manager Should Be Fired for Negligence, or at the Very Least hit in "HIS" Pocketbook!!!! Good Information for everyone. BTW. That Part Looked Damned Nice from here.
And that is exactly why I made this video. There are good dealers and good techs. But they are over run by the bad ones. This happened to be a bad one and got caught. Makes me wonder how many others got screwed
That's crazy & SAD at the same time I only service at dealer and I see as of lately they only want paid repairs not warranty I have the heated seat issue on remote start that they aren't on until PTS Two times now I got the run around First being they wrote INTERMITTENT second that they aren't supposed to come on unless it's 32 degrees Smh
Flash backs to my callers on our weekend Radio Show outta Syracuse NY The CarGuys Herv and Dave- Dave has passed I'm retired the warranty drama lives on and on and on. They say were sitting ducks on the road if that pump fails, Cheaper to tow it home to you home base Dealer sometimes!
@tomleonard2014 you can't. The ones I saw were on box trucks. But people with 250's have been seeing it as well. I personally haven't seen it on 250's. But it is happening. I did a video the 7.3 lifter failure where I took a failed one out and showed it
Kindaof Ironic. All the 6.0 repairs didn't cost the dealers 18,000 to fix like these new 6.7 Ford built power strokes cost Ford motor company when they're under warranty to fix. Think I'll be keeping my 7.3 and my 6 L and my 2015 has a 6.2 V8 gas in it. The 2017 that I bought that had a 6.7 power stroke in it. Yeah it got returned in within a week's time
The 6.7 is a great engine. And everyone hears us talk about it. But it's actually a very small percentage that fail. This one was an emergency vehicle so a little extra time was added. Non emergency your still looking at 12-15k. It's a lot of work to replace the fuel system. I love the 6.2 liter. I was a raptor with the 6.2 (11-14)
This is what worries me. I have a 6.7 HO F-350 scheduled for April production. I struggle with deciding on changing out the CP4 to the aftermarket S&S pump to avoid problems in spite of voiding my warranty. I hear people complaining the warranty is useless because they don’t honor it. So it seems like a better plan to change out the pump right off the bat versus taking a chance with a failure and getting hosed on the warranty. 18k is a lot of money to risk versus whatever the S&S pump costs.
I fought for this one. And we always tell people. We have to prove the part you put on caused a failure. I've put on about 10 S&S DCR pumps so far. And everyone of them run like a champ and run better. They can't deny a warranty if it doesn't fail right. If your cp4 fails you are going to jump through hoops. That's why I did this video to arm the viewer with as much information as possible to help them. But a 1900 dollar dcr is better than a 20k fuel system. Buy once cry once. Be done and keep on trucking. My honest opinion. Get the DCR
@@BeardedFordTech Then why does Ford continue to use this pump? GM used it 2011 to 2016 on the LML and is being sued. Fiat used it on the 2019 / 2020 6.7 Cummins and is recalling those trucks and putting a CP3 on. Here is Ford still using it WHY?
Never’d take a chance owning one of these. Every time you’d fill the tank it would be like “huh, I wonder if this is the fill up that destroys the engine.”
It's a really good engine just a crappy pump. Thats why you upgrade to the DCR. It's not just ford but any diesel from any manufacturer should think that way at the pump as well. But thus is why you run additives to help prevent that.
That makes sense. Especially after what happened to you. I know not every dealer is that way but at the same time Im sure they dont want to eat a $12,000+ job. The weird thing is that is if it is under warranty then it is ford paying for it and not the dealer. Well thanks for the response. Im still going to get a super duty but as long as it doesnt void the warranty in the rest of the truck I will upgrade my pump asap. @@BeardedFordTech
@billcarey9184 exactly. If it's under warranty. Then it should be covered. The dealer is being paid for it. Instead of finding excuses not to do it they should just fix it if it is legitimately covered. Your right. Not all dealers are like that. But the ones whonare give the rest of them a bad rep
I did get an engineer involved. And everyone I delt with works for ford. Dealers ate franchises. I've worked at many ford dealers. This has been handle and got covered. I have friends on the inside 😁
Looks like you caught this dealer in a lie. I saw no rust particles in the picture. They are going to be in for a big surprise as they are not dealing with just an average mechanic. You definitely know the ropes. I wonder how many people this particular dealer have fleeced.
@@CPsGarage I don't know. But his exact words were every time we submitted it they got denied. But they never submitted mine. So how many did they really submit? I'm guessing none.
The problem is the bill rates are different. The profitability is much less on a warranty claim vs a customer pay. So there is no incentive to push warranty
Thank you ! I am having a huge issue with my F 350 2023, check engine light is on and the warning screen is up for DEF, showing the truck will go into Limp mode within 50 miles. The first Ford dealership. Checked the codes , then said they didn’t have any parts or where they sure what the issue is. I have another appointment with a different ford dealership … truck has 4 k miles. Any thoughts ?!?!? Yes the Def is full,
Dealers are going ABOVE and BEYOND to avoid billing warranty claims because they cant screw over the warranty companys as the repair costs are all pre determined. They cant just make up random charges
Yeah not for warranty. But this is factory warranty. Not third party company. And warranty is paid 1.5 times less than customer pay. So this being a ford under ford factory warranty. The dealership would charge ford for repairs. But ford will only lay 1.5 times less. So the tech makes less. It's a double edge sword.
@@BeardedFordTech i was really considering an f250 powerstroke. This would be my first diesel other then my tractor. I am wondering if its worth it to deal with this….never have to worry with my gas truck. How do you prevent water? How do you prevent bad gas from a gas station?
@@Rcol4427 F250 powerstroke is a very reliable vehicle. There will always be some water in the fuel (gas and diesel). Gas is a little easier to maintain. If you get bad gas the computer usually compensates or get you some octane booster. As far as diesel to prevent it or keep it minimum at every fill up use a fuel additive. The diesel alone isn't enough to lubricate the high pressure pump. The fuel water separator (the one under the vehicle) catches most of it and debris. The filter on the engine catches the rest. The only way it would be rusted or contaminated would be if you don't change those or run additive. Which I take a fuel sample every oil change looking for water. And change the filters out every 15k miles at most. What's going on here is a giant sh*t show. They see fleet and think "they got money let's get customer pay instead of warranty" and it's a very bad tactic and should never be done. Fleet or not. No customer should be treated like this. Don't let it deter you from the powerstroke. You hear us talk about fuel pump failures but the actual percentage of the ones that fail out of all of them is very very low. As long as you run an good additive and keep the filters changed you should have nothing to worry about. I have some vehicle with upwards of 450k miles. Original pumps and Injectors. Now ford will tell you not to run the additive but in fine print it says run the motorcraft additive (that's the loophole) that's the additive at the parts counter. It really is a beast of a truck and you will be very happy with it.
@@BeardedFordTech thanks for the info… I kinda felt that way from begin with. I know there are a lot of trucks on the road that have no issues. I am a little concerned, I like to gas an go. Adding additives, DEP, rapid filter changes seems to be a little pricey and a lot more to worry about. What additive to you use for the fuel? I’m not real good with working on them so it could get expensive because I would be pay for someone like you to work on it….unless the filter changes are easy. I don’t mind doing it myself.
@@Rcol4427 filter changes are very easy. I have a video on how to do older ones. I'll have to do a video on a newer one. Just 5 8mm bolts underneath. I run Amsoil fuel additives in the fleet. A whole bottle for intake clean (16oz) then I have them put 8oz (half the bottle) everytime they get fuel(filling up not topping off). As far as gas goes I use Amsoil performance improver about every 8k miles (bottle says 4k). And upper cylinder lubricant every fill up. It's what keeps the upper portion of the combustion chamber lubricated. It does cost more to maintain a diesel. The filter kit is like $75-$90 depending on where you get it. I would love to service your truck. It would cost you a lot less than a dealership.
@aaronphillips2728 you are correct. However on the 2019+ the buckets on the cp4 are pinned so they don't move. Do they still fail? Of course. Which is also why we put is DCR pumps from S&S motorsports
@aaronphillips2728 who installed it? I've never had one make any kind of noise after install. If they are timed correctly. That's why they get timed. For nkise and vibration.
Think about the lack of fore thought that went into building a fuel system that gets completely contaminated when the pump fails. That don't make nooo sense! When the fuel pump on the 7.3 fails, I purchase a motorcraft pump for $150, swap it out with bad one and down the road I go.
Yep. I agree. The cp4 isn't a very well designed pump. That's why all the ones that went down after this. Or have low pump pressure got converted to the S&S DCR
These Companies has put a number of Crooked Dealerships out of business, it's best to be skeptical when having work done at the Dealerships,, not all but if something seems fishy call the Company's Main Headquarters.
Yes. Oh my god yes. I had one ingest water the other day the "water in fuel drain filter" light came on. It never misfired or skipped a beat. Rode like nothing happened. Drained the filter. Sure enough. Had water in it. Haven't had any issues with any of the dcr we put in. If it was a cp4 that happened to it would have been toast. I highly recommend the dcr. Maybe a little pricey. But less than a new fuel system. Buy once cry once be done with it 😁
Im lost as to why even if it had rust or something wouldn’t that just mean a gas station sold bad fuel and not your fault,I know yours was rust free anyway just saying if a dam truck tears up under warranty needs to be fixed under warranty
Rust in the filler neck (which had nothing to do with warranty) but thats normal. Metal pipe. Moisture. If there is rust in the pressure control valve that indicates water is in the system. But none of that was present. It's been handled since. It got covered
@mattogle2582 awesome truck. If ypu get it when ypu go to finance. You don't need all the extra crap they try and sell. The only two things you need. And I can't stress this enough. Is GAP Insurance and ESP. Extended service protection (an extended warranty) everything else is upsell. It's a beast of a truck. I love them.
My f350 is at the Machanic Shop as we speak. The water in fuel light came on and it lose power. Machanic says my fuel pumps and everything else have to be replaced because there were contamination in my fuel. And it completely destroyed everything. It is not covered under my Warranty. Is there anything that I can do about that?
What year is it? Ask to see it in person. Take pictures. Metal or algae on the vcv then it won't be covered under warranty. Just don't take their word for it. Tell them you want to see the vcv and pcv.
I pull a skid steer, weighs 16k with skid and trailer. Should I get the F350 Godzilla 7.3 gasser with 3.73 or 4.3 Tremor? Or take a risk with the diesel? I only tow about 3,000 / year and the ther 10,000 is daily driver. Plus I have 3 other trucks.
@@BeardedFordTech so spring for the diesel, cuz it pulls twice as hard, and then just trade it in or sell it at 95,000 miles, or 5 years whatever comes first? Probably sell for half the price, but that's better than repair bills.
@@BeardedFordTech thanks man. Going through the same process with my 2020 F450 hauler. 57k and the CP4 pump grenaded. Service manager at Ford tried telling me the exact same thing, that the metal shavings in found in the VCV would void the warranty. Let’s just say I came into the conversation well-prepared and had the SM severely blindsided when i referenced the protocol in the bulletin. As a diesel tech myself I’m blown away with how quickly he tried to blame me for putting “gasoline in the diesel” LOL. Hoping this might get me over the hump with the warranty. Much thanks!
@@BeardedFordTech thanks again for the bulletin reference. I had zero luck trying to explain this issue with the service manager at Oneonta Ford. They very clearly did not follow the bulletin guidance and were searching for ways to make me liable, trying to run fuel samples off to a laboratory, etc. and after the truck sitting idle for weeks with unanswered phone calls, I reached out to the Ford dealer I actually purchased the truck from a few states away. They immediately did a search and matched it up with the CP4 pump part number and confirmed it would be covered under my warranty, as long as I had a way to get the truck over to their shop. They also had no clue why the other dealership was dicking me around on such a low mileage truck. Without your video here I would have been blindsided by all this. Much respect!
There's a reason it's the top selling truck and top selling fleet vehicle. People had ram and gave them back. Let's not even get started on Chevrolet. And who said anything about one breakdown? It's a fleet. It's going to break down. This one just happened to be covered under warranty when they tried to say it wasn't. Thanks for watching have a good day
I've said it before & I'll say it again: Take it to one of these guys (ARod, Rainman, Bearded Ford Tech, Ford Tech Makuloco etc) & not a dealership. Dealerships are supposed to protect customers from the manufacturer for warranty work but they are doing the opposite.
These guys want you to *want* to come back for other work so they take care of their customers.
💯💯💯 thank you very much!!
This is what worries me about going to a dealer for service or repairs. If someone like you who does this for a living has to fight this crap, the average Joe consumer is screwed. Appreciate you man.
And that's why I did this video. To teach you (the subscriber) what to look for and not just take their word for it. I didn't want to do it. But it was recommended I do it for that information. So you can be aware. Not all dealers are like this. They just happen to pick the wrong person to try and screw over(you shouldn't screw anyone over) but I'm not just average joe know what I mean. I want you guys to have as much information as possible with these ford vehicles. That way when situations do arise you know what to do and how to handle it.
Straight Shooter ...Thanks Brother...!!!
Just want to say THANK YOU!! I just went through a CP4 failure and was denied a warranty claim. After nearly choking on their quote to repair, I started doing my own research. Finding this video saved me thousands. Turns out, they just looked in the tank and drained the fuel/water separator. Saw metal and got maybe an ounce of water, and said it was contaminated fuel. They never pulled the VCV or PCV. Showed them the GSB and they said "Doesn't matter, the fuel is contaminated". Called around to a few other dealers and found one that knew EXACTLY what was going on and even mentioned the proper diagnostic procedure without me even mentioning the GSB. Towed the truck over there, they pulled the VCV, and guess what. No contamination at all besides the metal from the exploded pump. Fully warrantable and fixed just over a week later. The only thing I paid for was the oil change I asked them to do while it was there. Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting this.
Your very very very welcome! I'm glad you didn't just say okay do it when you knew it should be covered. I'm glad this video and the gsb helped you out and you found a dealer who did what they were supposed to do! I'm glad you got it fixed. If you every need anything reach out. Send an email. Share the videos so others don't have to go through this as well. And thank you for taking th time to watch it!
100% warrantable as long as your in by mileage or time. Not a speck of rust on that. Id personally love to see the "fuel sample" with a ton of water in it. These kinda dealers need to be held accountable and we need to continue to inform the customer what is and is not warranty.
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@@BeardedFordTech Is it because the dealership gets screwed by Ford for reimbursement of parts and labor to do this particular job? Why does any dealership not want a reputation for "righting a wrong"?
@@tattooedmillionair no. The dealership charges ford for the parts and labor. But they only pay 1.5 times less than customer pay. It's the bad techs that do it. Advisors that don't care and managers that let it happen. There are good dealers and techs out there. They are just consumed by the bad.
Imagine how many guys are getting screwed by Ford because of their bulletin, which will save Fraud=Ford money and cost you!! Just shows you how good the blue oval's gonna treat you if you're not an alpha male, all liars!! you probably would take it in the shorts. And you will. anyway, by driving the blue oval. If you're not familiar of the two dozen $10,000 problem. And at the very least you'll have oil dripping on your driveway, as long as you own one, because that's too expensive to repair as well
@@BeardedFordTech Thanks for the information. I have always wondered why some dealers would do this.
2:46 There's nothing quite as awesome as being so qualified in what you know that you can basically confront guys like that point blank with ALL of the knowledge.
Actions have consequences.
And yet they are still trying to deny it. Just moving up the chain supervisor after supervisor. I think they finally caught on to what I do for a living and that I was a dealer tech and I'm not messing around.
I’d like to mention another way the customer gets screwed. Say they were right and water was in the fuel. A gas station will never pay for repairs willingly. Collect as much evidence as you can and hire a lawyer for a small claims lawsuit. And this situation is awful. When a service writer says it’s not covered, the average person is not informed enough to fight it. Please do more videos like this informing customers.
True. Fuel stations have water in the tank. But that's what the fuel water separator is for. Also the high pressure pump is lubricated by diesel. Diesel alone is not enough. That's why an additive is needed. But Ford states do not use an additive unless it's the ford approved one (sold in parts department). It's a whole bunch of back and forth. Your right gas station won't pay for it. And a fuel filter won't separate all water. There will always be some water in your tank. That's why the diesel truck has a water in fuel indicator. The average person isn't told enough by the writer. They are just writers and can shoot a line of BS that sounds accurate. They are trying me and pushing my patience. I will do more videos like this. Thank you for the recommendation
@@BeardedFordTech I wonder how many folks have been denied warranty service due to “using an aftermarket product additive”. Or doing your own oil changes and maintenance with an aftermarket filter.
@@thomas7770 aftermarket oil and filter won't void your warranty. That's the thing. You as a consumer can go where you want for oil changes. (just keep your records) cause they will ask for it. As far as additives they take a fuel sample looking for water. Not necessarily an additive unless it gets taken that far. It's a catch 22
Dude your the best ...fighting for what's right ...Your one stand up guy ...Wish you where closer to me if needed...!!!!
No reason anybody should have to pay for.it if it's warranty. That's why I made this video. So people know what to look for. What questions to ask and fight for it.
Ford needs to know and pull thier service contract and dealer license!!!
It's been handled accordingly
Thanks for the heads up, glad ppl like you worries💪🏻
Your welcome. I worry because I care. It's a lot of money that a lot of people don't have laying around.
This is why Dealers Should be Held accountable for there Lies! Customer get's an $18,000.00 for something that should be a warranty Item, and most often just Pay's the Bill and has No Clue what or why they just depleted there saving account because of a CROOKED DEALERSHIP??? The service Manager Should Be Fired for Negligence, or at the Very Least hit in "HIS" Pocketbook!!!! Good Information for everyone. BTW. That Part Looked Damned Nice from here.
And that is exactly why I made this video. There are good dealers and good techs. But they are over run by the bad ones. This happened to be a bad one and got caught. Makes me wonder how many others got screwed
That's crazy & SAD at the same time
I only service at dealer and I see as of lately they only want paid repairs not warranty
I have the heated seat issue on remote start that they aren't on until PTS
Two times now I got the run around
First being they wrote INTERMITTENT
second that they aren't supposed to come on unless it's 32 degrees
Smh
Yeah I know what you mean man. It's why I'm not at a dealer anymore. Tired of the BS and they way customers and techs are treated
Flash backs to my callers on our weekend Radio Show outta Syracuse NY The CarGuys Herv and Dave- Dave has passed I'm retired the warranty drama lives on and on and on. They say were sitting ducks on the road if that pump fails, Cheaper to tow it home to you home base Dealer sometimes!
Yep. If it fails you are sitting. This one was covered under warranty. They tried to say it wasn't.
Great information, thank you! Makes me want to order a 7.3L gasser and skipped the expense, maintenance problems, and reliability with new diesel.
Just watch out for the lifter failure on the 7.3
@@BeardedFordTech thank you! I’ve keep seeing that, but I don’t see how to prevent it.
@tomleonard2014 you can't. The ones I saw were on box trucks. But people with 250's have been seeing it as well. I personally haven't seen it on 250's. But it is happening. I did a video the 7.3 lifter failure where I took a failed one out and showed it
Daughters 17 got this. Pretty sure they did the same thing. Talked with ARod about it. Insurance ended up covering the $12.5k bill. 😢
Glad it got fixed by insurance.
Ford's is good vehicles. and they love the customers
Kindaof Ironic. All the 6.0 repairs didn't cost the dealers 18,000 to fix like these new 6.7 Ford built power strokes cost Ford motor company when they're under warranty to fix. Think I'll be keeping my 7.3 and my 6 L and my 2015 has a 6.2 V8 gas in it. The 2017 that I bought that had a 6.7 power stroke in it. Yeah it got returned in within a week's time
The 6.7 is a great engine. And everyone hears us talk about it. But it's actually a very small percentage that fail. This one was an emergency vehicle so a little extra time was added. Non emergency your still looking at 12-15k. It's a lot of work to replace the fuel system. I love the 6.2 liter. I was a raptor with the 6.2 (11-14)
This is what worries me. I have a 6.7 HO F-350 scheduled for April production. I struggle with deciding on changing out the CP4 to the aftermarket S&S pump to avoid problems in spite of voiding my warranty. I hear people complaining the warranty is useless because they don’t honor it. So it seems like a better plan to change out the pump right off the bat versus taking a chance with a failure and getting hosed on the warranty. 18k is a lot of money to risk versus whatever the S&S pump costs.
I fought for this one. And we always tell people. We have to prove the part you put on caused a failure. I've put on about 10 S&S DCR pumps so far. And everyone of them run like a champ and run better. They can't deny a warranty if it doesn't fail right. If your cp4 fails you are going to jump through hoops. That's why I did this video to arm the viewer with as much information as possible to help them. But a 1900 dollar dcr is better than a 20k fuel system. Buy once cry once. Be done and keep on trucking. My honest opinion. Get the DCR
If Ford doesn’t care and continues to use a faulty pump why the heck would you buy one?
@@jimm2442 to put a dcr in
@jimm2442 nobody said ford didn't care. Ford does. The dealership didn't. There's a difference
@@BeardedFordTech Then why does Ford continue to use this pump? GM used it 2011 to 2016 on the LML and is being sued. Fiat used it on the 2019 / 2020 6.7 Cummins and is recalling those trucks and putting a CP3 on. Here is Ford still using it WHY?
Never’d take a chance owning one of these. Every time you’d fill the tank it would be like “huh, I wonder if this is the fill up that destroys the engine.”
It's a really good engine just a crappy pump. Thats why you upgrade to the DCR. It's not just ford but any diesel from any manufacturer should think that way at the pump as well. But thus is why you run additives to help prevent that.
If I upgrade will that void the warranty?@@BeardedFordTech
@billcarey9184 that's a double edge sword. Even under warranty. They look for reasons not to make it warrantable. As in this case.
That makes sense. Especially after what happened to you. I know not every dealer is that way but at the same time Im sure they dont want to eat a $12,000+ job. The weird thing is that is if it is under warranty then it is ford paying for it and not the dealer. Well thanks for the response. Im still going to get a super duty but as long as it doesnt void the warranty in the rest of the truck I will upgrade my pump asap. @@BeardedFordTech
@billcarey9184 exactly. If it's under warranty. Then it should be covered. The dealer is being paid for it. Instead of finding excuses not to do it they should just fix it if it is legitimately covered. Your right. Not all dealers are like that. But the ones whonare give the rest of them a bad rep
That dealership is full of sh!t. Good thing you knew what to look for and caught there azz in a lie. 😁🤓😎
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Big fan of your channel now. Great videos, keep it up!
Your welcome. Thank you. 💯 i
Should have got an FSE (Ford Service Engineer) involved. They work for Ford and not the dealer. They would be the judge of coverage.
I did get an engineer involved. And everyone I delt with works for ford. Dealers ate franchises. I've worked at many ford dealers. This has been handle and got covered. I have friends on the inside 😁
Looks like you caught this dealer in a lie. I saw no rust particles in the picture. They are going to be in for a big surprise as they are not dealing with just an average mechanic. You definitely know the ropes. I wonder how many people this particular dealer have fleeced.
That's why I said he needed to make the video so more people know
No idea. When he said "everyone I send in for warranty gets denied" I cringed. Could be 5. Could be 5000. Won't be mine though.
@@BeardedFordTech I wonder how many they have screwed that way
@@CPsGarage I don't know. But his exact words were every time we submitted it they got denied. But they never submitted mine. So how many did they really submit? I'm guessing none.
@@BeardedFordTech sounds like it's definitely time to get a hold of CRC 😂
The problem is the bill rates are different. The profitability is much less on a warranty claim vs a customer pay. So there is no incentive to push warranty
Yeah I know. Warranty is 1.5 times less. But if it's covered under warranty then it should be treated as such. I worked in a dealer for a long time.
@@BeardedFordTech I agree 100%.
@chrismccall1736 some states have already adopted that warranty and customer pay are the same. I think Illinois was the first to do so.
Thank you ! I am having a huge issue with my F 350 2023, check engine light is on and the warning screen is up for DEF, showing the truck will go into Limp mode within 50 miles. The first Ford dealership. Checked the codes , then said they didn’t have any parts or where they sure what the issue is. I have another appointment with a different ford dealership … truck has 4 k miles. Any thoughts ?!?!? Yes the Def is full,
Email me your VIN Aheflin31@gmail.com. make sure your connected to ford pass
Dealers are going ABOVE and BEYOND to avoid billing warranty claims because they cant screw over the warranty companys as the repair costs are all pre determined. They cant just make up random charges
Yeah not for warranty. But this is factory warranty. Not third party company. And warranty is paid 1.5 times less than customer pay. So this being a ford under ford factory warranty. The dealership would charge ford for repairs. But ford will only lay 1.5 times less. So the tech makes less. It's a double edge sword.
I would be an animal in the service dept….even if there was rust!
Yeah but being an animal gets you nowhere quick. If there is rust it's automatically not covered cause of water contamination.
@@BeardedFordTech i was really considering an f250 powerstroke. This would be my first diesel other then my tractor. I am wondering if its worth it to deal with this….never have to worry with my gas truck. How do you prevent water? How do you prevent bad gas from a gas station?
@@Rcol4427 F250 powerstroke is a very reliable vehicle. There will always be some water in the fuel (gas and diesel). Gas is a little easier to maintain. If you get bad gas the computer usually compensates or get you some octane booster. As far as diesel to prevent it or keep it minimum at every fill up use a fuel additive. The diesel alone isn't enough to lubricate the high pressure pump. The fuel water separator (the one under the vehicle) catches most of it and debris. The filter on the engine catches the rest. The only way it would be rusted or contaminated would be if you don't change those or run additive. Which I take a fuel sample every oil change looking for water. And change the filters out every 15k miles at most. What's going on here is a giant sh*t show. They see fleet and think "they got money let's get customer pay instead of warranty" and it's a very bad tactic and should never be done. Fleet or not. No customer should be treated like this.
Don't let it deter you from the powerstroke. You hear us talk about fuel pump failures but the actual percentage of the ones that fail out of all of them is very very low. As long as you run an good additive and keep the filters changed you should have nothing to worry about. I have some vehicle with upwards of 450k miles. Original pumps and Injectors.
Now ford will tell you not to run the additive but in fine print it says run the motorcraft additive (that's the loophole) that's the additive at the parts counter.
It really is a beast of a truck and you will be very happy with it.
@@BeardedFordTech thanks for the info… I kinda felt that way from begin with. I know there are a lot of trucks on the road that have no issues. I am a little concerned, I like to gas an go. Adding additives, DEP, rapid filter changes seems to be a little pricey and a lot more to worry about. What additive to you use for the fuel? I’m not real good with working on them so it could get expensive because I would be pay for someone like you to work on it….unless the filter changes are easy. I don’t mind doing it myself.
@@Rcol4427 filter changes are very easy. I have a video on how to do older ones. I'll have to do a video on a newer one. Just 5 8mm bolts underneath. I run Amsoil fuel additives in the fleet. A whole bottle for intake clean (16oz) then I have them put 8oz (half the bottle) everytime they get fuel(filling up not topping off). As far as gas goes I use Amsoil performance improver about every 8k miles (bottle says 4k). And upper cylinder lubricant every fill up. It's what keeps the upper portion of the combustion chamber lubricated. It does cost more to maintain a diesel. The filter kit is like $75-$90 depending on where you get it. I would love to service your truck. It would cost you a lot less than a dealership.
What i dont understand is they want 80-100k for a truck with a cp4..these shouldve been adressed a long time ago
@aaronphillips2728 you are correct. However on the 2019+ the buckets on the cp4 are pinned so they don't move. Do they still fail? Of course. Which is also why we put is DCR pumps from S&S motorsports
@@BeardedFordTech I have dcr on my 17. It makes a whine/ gear noise. But I'm looking into getting a new truck soon .
@aaronphillips2728 who installed it? I've never had one make any kind of noise after install. If they are timed correctly. That's why they get timed. For nkise and vibration.
@@BeardedFordTech thanks for the reply. I local diesel shop ..worst shop in the country called virgillios diesel lol so dosent suprise me .
@@aaronphillips2728 I bet they put it in wrong. Bet they didn't time the pump before installing it and just slapped the gear on it
Think about the lack of fore thought that went into building a fuel system that gets completely contaminated when the pump fails. That don't make nooo sense! When the fuel pump on the 7.3 fails, I purchase a motorcraft pump for $150, swap it out with bad one and down the road I go.
Yep. I agree. The cp4 isn't a very well designed pump. That's why all the ones that went down after this. Or have low pump pressure got converted to the S&S DCR
Thats some dirty dog dealin at that dealer
Yeah. Pretty pissed off about it too
These Companies has put a number of Crooked Dealerships out of business, it's best to be skeptical when having work done at the Dealerships,, not all but if something seems fishy call the Company's Main Headquarters.
Will replacing the CP4 with the DCR pump solve the issue? I'm looking into replacing mine.
Yes. Oh my god yes. I had one ingest water the other day the "water in fuel drain filter" light came on. It never misfired or skipped a beat. Rode like nothing happened. Drained the filter. Sure enough. Had water in it. Haven't had any issues with any of the dcr we put in. If it was a cp4 that happened to it would have been toast. I highly recommend the dcr. Maybe a little pricey. But less than a new fuel system. Buy once cry once be done with it 😁
Im lost as to why even if it had rust or something wouldn’t that just mean a gas station sold bad fuel and not your fault,I know yours was rust free anyway just saying if a dam truck tears up under warranty needs to be fixed under warranty
Rust in the filler neck (which had nothing to do with warranty) but thats normal. Metal pipe. Moisture. If there is rust in the pressure control valve that indicates water is in the system. But none of that was present. It's been handled since. It got covered
10/4 thanks,I was thinking of getting a 2024 6.7 what s your though
@mattogle2582 awesome truck. If ypu get it when ypu go to finance. You don't need all the extra crap they try and sell. The only two things you need. And I can't stress this enough. Is GAP Insurance and ESP. Extended service protection (an extended warranty) everything else is upsell. It's a beast of a truck. I love them.
Excellenr video..how did it end?
It ended well. No check engine light. Working as it should. I was going to film it but had a supervisor standing there when I was finishing up
My f350 is at the Machanic Shop as we speak. The water in fuel light came on and it lose power. Machanic says my fuel pumps and everything else have to be replaced because there were contamination in my fuel. And it completely destroyed everything. It is not covered under my Warranty. Is there anything that I can do about that?
What year is it? Ask to see it in person. Take pictures. Metal or algae on the vcv then it won't be covered under warranty. Just don't take their word for it. Tell them you want to see the vcv and pcv.
I pull a skid steer, weighs 16k with skid and trailer. Should I get the F350 Godzilla 7.3 gasser with 3.73 or 4.3 Tremor? Or take a risk with the diesel? I only tow about 3,000 / year and the ther 10,000 is daily driver. Plus I have 3 other trucks.
6.7 is what you need. That's what I would go with in my honest opinion.
@@BeardedFordTech so spring for the diesel, cuz it pulls twice as hard, and then just trade it in or sell it at 95,000 miles, or 5 years whatever comes first? Probably sell for half the price, but that's better than repair bills.
@jonathanbeam6898 keep it maintained and put a DCR in it get rid of the cp4. Keep that bad boy.
Will doing a CCV reroute (doing it correctly) void my 6.7 diesel warranty or hurt my engine in any way ?
Won't hurt anything. As far as warranty. It is an emissions device and that's considered "tampering" that would be the techs decision.
@@BeardedFordTech Thank you. Now if I could only find techs like you and Arod here in Florida ! 👍🏽
@@armedprophet3321 as in dealer tech I don't know any. A regular guy who knows what he's doing and would work on it. I know a few.
what's the warranty on diesel emissions for F350 2023?
It's like 5 yr 100k miles.
Probably want to avoid warranty labour rate
True.
So do i keep my 23 7.3l gasser with 7,800 or trade it for a 21 6.7 with 37,000 🤔
That decision is entirely.up to you and can only be made by you.
Can you clarify that technical service bulletin?
Or general service bulletin
21-7061
@@BeardedFordTech thanks man. Going through the same process with my 2020 F450 hauler. 57k and the CP4 pump grenaded. Service manager at Ford tried telling me the exact same thing, that the metal shavings in found in the VCV would void the warranty. Let’s just say I came into the conversation well-prepared and had the SM severely blindsided when i referenced the protocol in the bulletin. As a diesel tech myself I’m blown away with how quickly he tried to blame me for putting “gasoline in the diesel” LOL. Hoping this might get me over the hump with the warranty. Much thanks!
@@BeardedFordTech thanks again for the bulletin reference. I had zero luck trying to explain this issue with the service manager at Oneonta Ford. They very clearly did not follow the bulletin guidance and were searching for ways to make me liable, trying to run fuel samples off to a laboratory, etc. and after the truck sitting idle for weeks with unanswered phone calls, I reached out to the Ford dealer I actually purchased the truck from a few states away. They immediately did a search and matched it up with the CP4 pump part number and confirmed it would be covered under my warranty, as long as I had a way to get the truck over to their shop. They also had no clue why the other dealership was dicking me around on such a low mileage truck. Without your video here I would have been blindsided by all this. Much respect!
Ok so don’t they get paid either way? Not sure how it works
Customer pay is a 32 to 40 hour job. Warranty is 20-25 hours. Big difference in how much they would get paid
Yes they get paid either way. One being warranty the other being customer pay. With a huge $$ difference
Sue them
@@user-ih4og8ri8d for what? It got fixed and my company got refunded.
You run power strokes as fleet vehicles. LOL, and you only had one breakdown.😂
There's a reason it's the top selling truck and top selling fleet vehicle. People had ram and gave them back. Let's not even get started on Chevrolet. And who said anything about one breakdown? It's a fleet. It's going to break down. This one just happened to be covered under warranty when they tried to say it wasn't. Thanks for watching have a good day
That sucks
It did at the time yes. I got reimbursed 50%