Excellent point Voddie!!! We are not saved by our own strength, or by works or by anything which we can boast about. We are saved through Jesus Christ, a free gift,by his great mercy and grace, so that no one can boast. Amen!!!!
It’s not wrong my friend. If we could earn salvation by works, than there would be no reason for Jesus to die on the cross, because we could earn it ourselves. This is heresy. We can’t earn it, we need Christs sacrifice which in fact means that we are saved by grace through faith, and not works. The works is the evidence that we our saved. Christ does not make mistakes, those he saves are his and noting can snatch them out of his hand. A person who has true salvation will experience transformation and we will know them by their fruit. This is the gospel my friend. It’s the good news, and way, way better than a works based gospel. If it were works based, we are all doomed.
Again, following Gods law is the evidence that you are saved, it’s not what does the saving. The Pharisees thought they could follow all the laws too, and be saved by their own self righteousness and Christ rebuked them for it. He called them vipers, white washed tombs and hypocrites. This is why the Pharisees hated Christ. We cannot follow all the laws or avoid sin. It’s impossible and it why we needed Christs sacrifice. Christ’s sacrifice does the saving. If you are truly saved, you would forgive others. If you won’t forgive others than your probably not saved. This statement by Christ is not talking about someone who doesn’t forgive one person one time, it’s talking about a lifestyle. Frankly it’s a poor example to argue for a works based salvation. Romans 9:30-32 explains this clearly. “What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal. 32 Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone.” Plain as day my friend. The Jews tried to attain salvation by works and they stumbled, the Gentiles attained salvation by faith and were accepted.
I think a better question is not whether you can lose your salvation but rather do you actually have it in the first place? Scripture tells us to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith! 2 Corinthians 13:5
One thing I know. From what I experienced when I was living a life from sin and going through hard times, I began to know what it meant to be a true follower of Jesus. Someone who finally understood me. Someone who was always there for me. My whole life was changed. All I know is that when you experience something like that, why would you even want to throw it away?
2 Peter 3:17-18 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen. You can fall from your own steadfast. 1 Timothy 1:19 having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, Your faith can shipwreck 1 Timothy 6:20-21 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge- by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace be with you. Amen. By professing false knowledge you can depart from the faith 1 Timothy 5:11-15 But refuse the younger widows; for when they have begun to grow wanton against Christ, they desire to marry, having condemnation because they have cast off their first faith. And besides they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house, and not only idle but also gossips and busybodies, saying things which they ought not. Therefore I desire that the younger widows marry, bear children, manage the house, give no opportunity to the adversary to speak reproachfully. For some have already turned aside after Satan. Like these widows you can cast off your faith and turn aside after Satan. 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, You can depart from the faith, in fact, in latter times some will depart from the faith. In none of these does it say the faith they had was false or not in Jesus. Pluse there is one faith so we can't assume there faith wasn't the one faith in scripture. And by doing so we might be in danger of professing false knowledge. If we continue to do so we too can depart from the faith. Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
@@FernServesGod 2 Timothy 2:12 If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. Matthew 10:32-33 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
In context, he was writing to Jewish Christians and referring to the Law of Moses, the Old Covenant. The New Testament does mention many conditional verses of abiding in Christ. 1 John 1:7
I turned my life to Christ today, and from today forward, I will hold myself accountable every time I get that desire to sin, I will be the vessel that God yearns for me to become, Amen.
Be very careful because that sounds like you are about to put yourself in bondage friend! I don't think God is looking for vessels that pay more attention to their sins rather then what Jesus did at the cross, for our sins by shedding His blood for the forgiveness of ALL our sins.
Then start be losing every false sense of a mortal life separate and apart from God... This is the basis of True Christianity not of religious belief!! In proportion to our abandonment of God are we taken care of by God. Therefore, we must surrender to the Will of God(Inner Christ) if we truly Desire to Discern the Movements of God within, as God conducts his Will in ways that oppose human will and understanding!!!
@@stevenwalter5741 Good luck with that friend no one has been able to do that. lol. Read scripture in context than you’ll be able to understand what Jesus is talking about and who He is saying it to.
Only when he was near dying did the apostle Paul feel that his salvation was assured. In 2 Timothy4:7 he says "I have fought the fine fight. I have run the race to the finish." In verse 8 he says: "From this time on, there is reserved for me the crown of righteousness." Paul said earlier in his life as he stated in Philippians 3:13 and 14 that he thought that he hadn't yet taken hold of his reward. He needed to "press on toward the goal of the prize of the upward call of God by means of Christ Jesus."
No... I'd clarify that it wasnt about assurance, it was about the HOPE of Salvation through continuing to believe. Our Faith is in the perfect blood of Jesus who saves all who place their trust in Him and His blood to save from the wrath to come... and in the BLOOD is perfect assurance ❤
@@Mu2mA my dear brother, the bible tells us, not only that we can KNOW we have eternal life, but the bible says in 1 Peter 1:23, we, having “been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God which liveth and abideth for ever”. Salvation is incorruptible. Even if we do something corrupt, the seed cannot be corrupted. Not by us ourselves, or anyone else. My dear brother or sister, Jesus DID NOT become sin for us… BY sinning. And like so, we do not become or remain righteous, by being righteous. It is imputed. If we could lose our salvation, it would mean it is a matter of what we do and don’t do. It would make salvation a matter of dependence actions and deeds. And the Bible says, salvation is a free gift. It costs you nothing. It’s free. It’s given to you simply by believing the gospel and once attained cannot be lost. For the bible says, you are SEALED until the day of redemption. Irreversibly. For by one man’s deeds, sin entered into the world. Permanently. And by another man’s deeds, sin was cleansed, PERMANENTLY. The bible says if we sin, (which we will), we have an advocate with the father.
@@Mu2mAmy dear brother, tell me, who was Jesus? Was he just a man? Or was he god. If he was god, then he would be able to know not only the past, not only the present, but also the future. Jesus knew when he died for you, that even after you believe, you would sin, and he STILL chose to die for you.
@@brohuggie2978no it's powerful enought but people can turn away. I give example I was saved ,and I asked God Could I be in the music industry, but he showed if I went that way I would go to hell. Because that wasn't the will for my life. See we have to do the father will for our life that's what's this all about and part of that will is to be saved by Jesus Christ. For Christ said many shall say unto me that lord lord have we not done this and that. And he gone say depart from me I never knew u . Jesus said whoever does the will of my father will enter into heaven. You cant just live your life and then decide one day lord I wanna follow u it don't work that way. When God call u ,you gotta go right then and there or it'll be too late. Many people think they can have as much time to live their life then turn to God it don't work that way
@@kirkSTG Look the scriptures are very easy to understand, one just needs to read them in context and BELIEVE them. God's will is for us to just believe in Him that is all, He takes care of the rest. our salvation will never be hindered or deleted by us NO WAY! If you love music then go for it, enjoy life, do your best in helping and caring for others as you can. will we fail? all the time, but that has nothing to do with God's will, our will did not even save us, because our will had nothing to do with our salvation. John 1:13 - John 6:40 Now read it and believe it.
They don't understand the fact that God is no longer counting our sins against us. Therefore, we won't lose our salvation because there is no sin that God will hold against us that would cause us to lose His indwelling Holy Spirit.
@@ifeanyichukwu3644 If I may ask what truth are we talking about? The truth of the law (10 commdts). The truth that is mentioned here is that despite knowing the law people kept sinning and expected to cover it up with an inferior sacrifice (animals). If we read to entirety of Hebrews 10 we will see that Paul is talking of animal sacrifices and comparing it to Christ's sacrifice which says that 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Skip down to verse 14 where he talks of Christ: 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. And if we see verse 28 after the topic verse (10:26), we see that Paul was referring to Moses' law. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Now verse 29 states that we should be in much more punishment than a breaker of Moses' law should we sin after receiving Christs sacrifice. It states that we deserve much worse punishment but what punishment can be worse than hell? There is none. It is never stated that we will be punished. However this will incur severe judgment and wrath from God. Verse 29 states that: "The Lord shall judge his people." If you lose your salvation are you a member of God's people anymore? Let me know your thoughts on what I have written.
@@ifeanyichukwu3644 no, the verse dont talk about salvation : God's own words, found in the Old Testament Scriptures, declare His intention to replace the old covenant with a new covenant. Jesus fulfills all of these prophecies, and all of the symbolism found in the system of priests, the tabernacle, and animal sacrifices. Knowing that Jesus Christ is, undoubtedly, God's remedy for our sin, we should be encouraged in holding on to our faith in the face of persecution. However, that same confidence means dire spiritual consequences for those who know Christ's salvation, but choose to act in defiance of His will..
I used to question all the time, did I do too many things wrong for him to be able to forgive me. As years went by and I grew in my walk with Jesus, I realized that was foolish. I was just a baby in my walk with Jesus and that was the problem. I believe that's why reading the Bible is so important. When you're constantly feeding yourself with God's word, it removes the doubt! It's a constant reminder of God's grace.
We are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling…Our wonderful God is a consuming fire 🔥. God please have mercy on your children and let us see the truth🙏🏽
I wonder what the prodigal son story was communicating? A son that was in the father’s house, left the father’s house, found himself eating with pigs, came back home and father was waiting for him.
And who are you to claim that son wasn’t saved the entire time? Did he still being his fathers son because for a short while he was lost and confused? The story literally illustrates how God chases after the people who belong to Him who for a short time go astray. Hence why some are saved by the fire.
@@Wisdomlies ”Notice how God is both kind and severe. He is severe toward those who disobeyed, but kind to you if you continue to trust in his kindness. But if you stop trusting, you also will be cut off.“ Romans 11:22
@@Wisdomlies Well, the story says he was lost. I don’t know what last means to Calvinist, but to me, it means that they were backslidden. Number two the father never went after him. The father was waiting for him, but never went after him.
Second half of Psalms 127: 1 comes to mind “…except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.” It’s clearly The Lord who keeps us and makes sure we don’t lose our salvation, and so, if The Lord keeps us, we just CANNOT be lost.
The whole book of Hebrews is a word of exhortation to Jewish believers to stay faithful despite persecution...... You can't loose it but you can walk away from it....
@@brohuggie2978many did when persecution came. They denied Christ to spare their own life. But I guess you think they are saved just the same as the ones who were persecuted. This is why John mac says we can take the mark of the beast. Bc he says OSAS. Take the mark of the beast if so confident in OSAS that it overrides the 80 warnings in the Bible. Insanity,
Amen! I needed to hear this. I was raised by a mother who played church piano, so we were there every time the doors opened. The church preached figma rather than the daving grace of Jesus, yet I still heard alot of the word. As I got older and had the choice, I stopped going to church. I went to a healing service at 21 to mock or rather stand up for what I thought was the truth (as I believed it was a show being put on and not real at all). Jesus had mercy on me that day, and I got healed and saved, and the next night baptized with the Holy Spirit. For a long while I preached, went to Bible college and stood firm. Yet I saw alot of hypocracy inside the church walls, and after this going on and on, I said to God, if this is what your kids are about, I dont want to be around them. To make a long story short, I fell away from the "family of God" and became distant from the Lord. Through many hardships I realized that this digma of "measuring up" or not, ruined my view of Christ. I now understand that noone or nothing can tear us out of the hands of our Savior. His blood is beyond powerful and his grace and mercy endures forever! That love, grace and mercy is now what makes me want to be obedient, because he first loved me! Sorry this was so long.
It’s not measuring up. It’s continuing to cleave to Christ. Trusting God. Not going back to the world etc. if you think you have to measure up or went around judging others you still had the nature of Satan and didn’t see God as a father and fellow Christian’s and brothers and sisters but thought highly of yourself. Pride causes us to fall away from God. Many Christian’s are full of self/pride meaning they are not in Christ. And in serious danger bc God is against the proud.
“Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.” Romans 11:22
Very sad to see someone not continuing in God’s kindness. I think a lot of this has to do with judging others instead of being kind towards them as God was towards you (when you were dead in your trespasses). If we look at the context I think this makes the most sense. We should always see a person in the state that we were once in, showing mercy always & not judgement, because we never know when God’s kindness will lead them to repentance. Heaven forbid you prevent them from coming to repentance by NOT showing His kindness to them. We are a living testimony of God’s kindness, provided we remain in His kindness, taking on this very nature of God, being kind to the good & evil, the just & the unjust. God shows no partiality. He consigned us all to sin that He might have mercy on us all.
@@BingoNamo-gb8pz the scripture is very clear about gods kindness. It clearly says if you continue in his goodness. Otherwise, you will be cut off. So I’m sorry if this offends your religious sensibilities, but the word of God is the word of God. And God is good, and God is kind, and God is just, but don’t forget the God destroyed the world with a flood, and he also killed every firstborn baby of Egypt. So don’t tell me what I say is sad, I just quoted the word of God. The real sad thing is when somebody says you can live the way you want with absolutely no consequences because you have eternal security and you cannot lose your salvation. That is really sad because you are misleading people to believe they could continue to live in sin, and give them selves to the flesh, and that they will still be OK.
Work out your salvation with fear, and trembling. Ask yourself, look into the mirror, take inventory, and then you stand before God. The excuses, problems, and woe of me, is out the door. Praise Jesus Lord God and Savior AMEN.
You can. It's all over the Bible. Read it! The Bible it filled with warnings for believers, with righteousness for believers. How can you read the word without coming to the conclusion that God hates sin, including in us and by ignoring thoughs warnings were putting ourselves in jeopardy. Why eltce would the holy spirit convict us?
@@danilom951 they work hand in hand there is no works without faith and vice Versa. So your telling me if I am saved by faith I can go around partying doing drugs and having sex outside of marriage all I want and still make it to heaven?
@@Mrlovalova200 well yeah it’s not going to be very pleasant for you there’s still real world consequences from that will come from that type of life but if you are genuine believer you are saved. It’s not about your works they only show other people that you are genuine god judges the heart
This is Jesus Christ speaking “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.” Revelation 3:5 He said “ and I will not blot out his name from the blook of life” meaning his name was there before , but if he falls away the name will be blotted out . This is Jesus Christ speaking
Amen , you will receive a Victory lap! Much love brother or sister ! You, understand the Word , we must overcome, keep continue, if means conditional, abide, do, these are all VERBS= Action words! Be ye DOERS of the Word and not hearers only ,deceiving your own selves? God help those that will be left behind to wake up and get FAITHFUL to the Lord Jesus! They twist the scriptures to their own destruction! Keep fighting the good fight and running the race and finish it , so you can receive the prize! 😊❤️💍✈️💕much love
He who overcomes is he who believes not he who is perfect in flesh because none are and none will be…stop being self righteous when u wrong god even without knowing it
There is scripture referring to not allowing the spirit to leave you and that only God truly knows the true heart of every single one of us. Only through repenting and surrender.
But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die. “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear now, O house of Israel: Is my way not just? Is it not your ways that are not just? When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die. Ezekiel 18:24-26
Your reading from the old testament, the old covenant. Jesus came and died on the cross for our sins, because he knew we couldn't be righteous. No not one of us.
@meltondowns3029 read scripture in context friend! and stop trying to twist scripture, ( his righteousness will not be remembered ) since when was mans righteousness salvation for them?
Amen. . Examine your heart “Try your own selves. Whether you are IN THE FAITH. . “ know that you know that you know that you are I N CHRIST thru His work on the cross alone
The only people I’ve ever known that say once saved always saved, are the ones that want the assurance of salvation without any responsibility to try to live righteously. In the end times many will fall away from the faith. Explain that one.
People have fallen from the faith ever since they started to put their trust in themselves to keep themselves saved, by their own works, and denied what Jesus did at the cross by shedding His blood for us. It is a shame how people stopped looking to the cross anymore, and just think they can do it themselves and do not need the assurance of the work of the cross! very sad
living righteously does not get you eternal life. If it was up to you to get eternal life than Christ died in vain. Galatians 2 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
@@GiftofGrace88I agree, we cannot work our way to heaven. Our greatest efforts are "filthy rags" to God. But at the same time, faith without works is dead. Jesus made it Chrystal clear that if we love Him we will obey Him. “Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven"
Our eternal souls are dependent on believing in the right person to save us from our sins. Galatians 1:8 ”But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.“ Matthew 25:41 ”Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:“ This is the Gospel by which we are saved and sealed by the Holy Spirit to the day of our redemption (the rapture): I Corinthians 15:1-4 “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, BY WHICH ALSO YOU ARE SAVED, if you hold fast (staunch stand or firmly establish, deeply held belief) that word which I preached to you-unless you believed in vain (not believing in the resurrection of Jesus, see verses 15-17 of 1 Corinthians 15). For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures (Old Testament/Torah/Tanakh prophecies), and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures” (again, Old Testament/Torah/Tanakh prophecies). Ephesians 1:13 “In Him (Jesus) you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION (read 1 Corinthians 15:1-4); in whom also, having BELIEVED, you were SEALED with the Holy Spirit of promise” Ephesians 4:30 “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were SEALED for the day of redemption.” Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by GRACE you have been saved through faith, and that NOT of YOURSELVES; it is the GIFT of God, NOT OF WORKS, lest anyone should boast.” Romans 11:6 “And if by GRACE, then it is no longer of WORKS; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.” Galatians 2:21 ”I do not set aside the GRACE of God; for if righteousness comes through the LAW, then Christ DIED IN VAIN.” Isaiah 64:6 ”But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.“ Hebrews 10:10 ”By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.“ Romans 3:20 “Therefore by the DEEDS of the law NO FLESH will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” Romans 8:1-2 ”There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.“ John 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has EVERLASTING life, and shall NOT come into JUDGEMENT, but has passed from death into life. Romans 3:27-28 “Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith APART from the DEEDS of the law.” John 10:28-30 “And I give them ETERNAL life, and they shall NEVER perish; neither shall ANYONE snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and NO ONE is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. I and My Father are one.” Titus 3:5-7 “He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of ETERNAL life.” John 8:35-36 “And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. Therefore if the SON makes you free, you shall be FREE INDEED.”
It takes not arrogance, but humility, to read the Bible through with this question in mind. Take it at face value, and obey. Beware of teaching that fosters complacency, such as You can't lose Salvation, or that other chestnut, unknown till the 19th century: You'll be safe in heaven during the Tribulation. God bless you.
All arrogance is bad. Salvation is a free gift given to the humble (poor in spirit). God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. I can see what he is saying & I can see what you are saying. I think you are both right because both attitudes are rooted in pride. The focus is the condition of the heart. The one who’s confidence is in the Lord shall be saved.
Salvation is not yours to keep, salvation belongs to Jesus. The Lord keeps us saved, when we get saved our names are written in the book of life, Jesus said that all who come to me I will in no wise cast out. There is no sin or demon or devil or angel or person that can take away what the Lord has done for us.
You are self righteous, repent, this ladies and gentlemen shows the heart of someone who thinks they can loose their salvation, self righteous and prideful.
Hebrews 10:26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins. And this was written to Christians. It’s hard to be saved if there’s not a sacrifice for your sins.
How did you come up with this? Your understanding of salvation is not complete. Have you seen phil2:12where it says work out your salvation with fear and trembling? Why would he say that if not doing that didn't have any implications? The 5 foolish virgins, where the called to the wedding feast? But did they enter? If there's no way of loosing it why is the bible full of such warnings?
2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: Adding this to the previous replies
Is that your interpretation or is that inspired by Holy Spirit? First thing i did was ask God how i can lose my Salvation. He told me Holding grudges and unforgiveness, blaspheming the Holy Spirit, remain in God or he will remove your lampstand, ect
If you lose it then you never had it. Many get saved and dont know why they got saved. Now they probably will fall away bc they didn't understand it when they got saved. They lost their salvation but only because they didn't understand it and never really got saved. Being saved brings desire, desire for God and not yourself.
Don't be deceived by false faith and false salvation. If one is truly saved he must continue to live the kind of life which we can see on those who are truly saved. One tangible evidence if one is truly saved is seen through his deeds because all his actions are in harmony to the will of God.
That’s wishful thinking. The Bible says otherwise; Luke 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 11:24-26 24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out. 25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. 26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Romans 11:18-22 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Hebrews 6:4-6 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Hebrews 10:26-27 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Hebrews 10:38-39 38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. 2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 2 Peter 2:20-21 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
That's one of the promise that you do have your salvation that you were chosen.That's what I've ever says.Work out your salvation with fear and trembling.Read your viable.How could you know God, if you don't read your Bible?How
If you have a RELATIONSHIP with Christ and also think that you should teach anyone that Jesus will be faithful when you reject the relationship then how arrogant for you to take Him for granted. No the Lord does t require perfection. Just what he said: Love the Lord your God with ALL your heart and mind and soul. Just like he did at the Cross. Be willing to sacrifice for that is what love is. Be Catholic to learn the fullness of the Faith.
Well that’s another good point…”See to it..” 🤔 makes it seem like we can but see to it that you do your BEST to follow my commands and you won’t. Extremes 👀 🤦🏻♀️ I think we either don’t take scripture serious enough or we make it too difficult. I think the whole point was to do our best and KINDLY Correct each other while we teach each other THROUGH The Word IN THE HOLY SPIRIT. Period. 🤷♀️
I’ve gone back & forth through many different thoughts on all of these matters. At the end of the day I became exhausted with all the different theories so as Jesus commands “come to me all you who are weary & heavy laden & I will give you rest” I did & I think this is the true heart of the gospel. To continue to come to Jesus always & He will give you rest always. Or just come to Jesus & stay with Him. Remain in Him. Remain in His rest. The trouble is we are always being tempted to drift away & start working again. We become weary & we go back to Him for rest. The goal for the Christian is to stop drifting away. Stop doubting His love. Stop doubting His promise. Stop doubting His grace. Rest in Him. When Jesus is Lord we are no longer lord & we can rest. It’s heaven on earth. No other way than to truly make Jesus Lord. I’m not calling it “lordship salvation” but making Jesus your real Lord in all things IS the best possible scenario for us on this earth. You will have peace like you’ve never felt before. Once your life is no longer your own, but His to do as He pleases. I just can’t emphasize enough how blissful this is. When Jesus is Lord your life is in the absolute best hands. Many of us are afraid to give Jesus Lordship because we think Jesus is going to put us in difficult circumstances that we can’t handle. But I can assure you that when your absolute trust is in Him you will NEVER be put to shame. His name is on the line, not ours. Being crucified with Christ is freedom. As long as our old man stays alive we are slaves to the desires of the flesh. We must allow our loving savior to crucify us so we can then reign with Him. We must choose, heaven or earth. Heaven is much better in my opinion. There is no condemnation to anyone who is in Christ, but you may feel condemned if you continue in the flesh, and God would like to spare you that condemnation & the constant battle of assurance of salvation. There is a reason we have these internal struggles when we become entangled in sin. We know we are drifting away & that we must return, but sometimes we drift away far longer & further than we should & this is playing a dangerous game. Yes, God will always receive us just as He instructed us to always receive our brothers & sisters when they sin against us & REPENT. 7 times in a day is a lot. Have we ever repented genuinely 7 times in a day? This again shows the heart of God. How He wants to forgive us always & how he wants us to repent always. To remain in a constant state of unrepentance is the greatest discomfort. There are 2 main things we repent of. 1 is trusting in our works for salvation. The other is thinking there is more pleasure in pleasing our flesh than in pleasing God. What pleases God most? Us finding rest in Jesus Christ. Faith in Christ. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Running to the world for comfort & pleasure or running to religious works for assurance are the 2 deadly sins. Lust & Pride. We are always being tempted as long as we are in the flesh with these 2 things, but those who rest in Christ will overcome. If we sin we have an advocate. If our hearts condemn us God is greater than our hearts. The key, rest & repent quickly each time you drift away from His rest. It seems silly to think anyone would ever want to leave the rest that is in Christ, but that is how deceptive the flesh & religion are. They go hand in hand. The strength of sin is the law. The law awakens the flesh & the flesh sins. In Christ our flesh stays crucified. He’s made this wonderful provision. Once you find it you won’t want to leave & when you do leave you will be very anxious to get back to Him. God wants a deep intimate relationship with us. He wants to be our absolute provision. Our Savior to the uttermost. This is why He gave us this gospel. So that WE can never break fellowship with Him since our fellowship is no longer broken by sin, but guaranteed by the blood of Christ. The only way to break fellowship is to stop trusting in His blood. Let us keep trusting, keep resting, keep fellowship & God will keep us, sanctify us, & transform us into His image, Jesus Christ.
In my humble opinion. Romans chapter 6 tells me that our salvation can be lost. God instructed us to be holy as he is holy. Salvation is a free gift from Christ Jesus our lord. But if we continue to live as the sinners we once were. We by our own actions forfeit that gift. We are new creatures in Christ through What he did for us. We are human, we will make mistakes. This is where the grace of Christ comes in. All we have to do is ask for forgiveness. He is faithful to forgive us. That's how I feel Christ interprets it to me. What do you guys think?
@raphaelfeneje486 wow felt the love in that. Salvation is a gift. It's not a once saved always saved. That not even a scripture. The reason I asked about Judas is that he is a prime example of that heresy you think is truth. Judas sat at the feet of Jesus. He was saved under Him until Satan entered his heart. Judas turned away from God after being savd. If we were always saved, Jesus wouldn't have needed to do what He did on the cross. And would have preached the gospel in hell. Jesus wouldn't say take up my cross daily and subject yourself unto Him (Luke 9:23) if we are "once saved always saved." If you believe I warn you now that you play a dangerous game. You have been warned. May God bless you, and next time, don't be so harsh. Jesus came in grace and truth. The Holy Spirit convicts, He does not condemn, so you need to check the spirit in which you speak. Because I am a man of God before you.
Understand context. He is talking about the need for correction in this life. This passage nowhere mentions judgement day for believers. It talks about the need to correct brothers and sisters in the faith. Correct first the body, then the world will witness a healthy body and join.
@@ethanhutchison31801Peter4:17... 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
@@northmemphis48 AMP Which of the two did the will of the father?” The chief priests and elders replied, “The first one.” Jesus said to them, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you that the tax collectors and the prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you.
@northmemphis48 the reason why Jesus said the righteous will scarcely be saved isn’t because of how “righteous” they were, but because had Jesus not shed his blood for their sin they wouldn’t be saved at all. They were made righteous because of Jesus, not because of “how good they were”. The unrighteous deny him and are therefore not declared righteous. It’s not a works based statement, but Jesus declaring who he is in that we are made righteous by him and him alone, meaning we are scarcely saved by him alone. This is not a license to sin, the Bible clearly talks about having fruit and living for the Lord, but we are justified by our faith, not our works, hence Ephesians 2:8-9. Blessings brother
Then Peter said unto Him, Lord, speakest Thou this parable *unto us* [pros hémas], or *also* [kai] to all? ... Blessed is that servant ... *but if* [ean de] that servant ... my Lord delays to come ... and will appoint him his portion *with the unbelievers* [meta tôn apistôn]. - Lk 12^ 41...46
Add this 2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
I don't think this is consistent with Scripture anywhere. Salvation is a path not an event. Salvation is begun, continued, and finalized. We must persevere. I'm still working out how this can happen, as there seems to be a middle path between legalism and free grace that is neither. When I understand it, I will put it online.
We may have turned away from sin in repentance but we still carry the dark seed of sin within us whilst on this earth. Just as a reformed alcoholic can at any time fall off the bandwagon, I believe that a repentant person can turn away from God and back to sin again therefore back to the original state of sin and iniquity and no longer be safe in salvation. Even if we feel that we are secure and will never turn away from God again, we need only look at Peter in his denial of the Lord Jesus, or the virgins without lamp oil, why else must we fight the warfare every second in order to keep our salvation? Does the Bible not say that satan if possible will deceive even the elect 🤔
We must fight to maintain good works of our faith why? To have fellowship with God and with the church. To experience the love of God in our life. To not give in to the lusts of the flesh. To escape judgement on Judgement Day (not hell). There's more topics being discussed than salvation in the Bible. Salvation cannot be lost. Once we are saved, we are called by God to live a righteous life as part of growing in the faith.
@@shkuyt986I cannot agree in full to what you say... works cannot save us, if we feel we must be saved by works then we have not enough faith in the grace of God, nor in Jesus Christ as Saviour. None will "escape judgement", all will be judged at that day for evil or for good. Salvation can absolutely be lost, we should not be so presumptuous. I agree we must fight, but to maintain a relationship with the Lord and to fight against the evils of this world. The most important fight and task is to the saving of souls, by the planting of seed, working for God to bring the lost sheep home to the fold. With respect 🙏
@@galelilley9049 I do not believe in a works based salvation. I do not believe works save you. The clear Gospel is in what John 3:16 says. We cannot lose our salvation. I was merely stating WHY we must fight the good fight. If we could lose our salvation then we are basing our salvation off of good works to keep us to salvation. That is relying on our own power to take us to heaven. Not biblical and not possible. Let us not confuse verses speaking of our relationship with God(what do to once I am saved) with what must I do to be saved(sealed unto the day of redemption eph 4:30). Christ has already done the work. Once we are saved we are headed for heaven. I can provide scripture for that. If we could lose salvation we wouldn't be saved but safe (present tense).
"Workout your salvation in fear and trembling. " Why should I fear and tremble if I don't lose my salvation? :( ".....Do not bring us to the test but deliver us from evil" Sure sounds like somebody can fall short...isn't it so?
Amen there are warnings after warnings and people want to turn A Blind Eye tho them ! Revelation 22:19 warns US 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. King James Version , they totally changed this in the NIV , l guess they will receive the curses written in this book and TAKEN OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE! In order to be written in the Book of life you have to be saved ! They are twisting the scriptures to their own destruction. Much love , God bless you for speaking truth , not many will enter into the kOdom of
Workout your salvation and u can lose your salvation are not synonymous that’s your man made comparison to justify self righteousness…u workout your salvation by continuing to trust in Jesus , that doesn’t mean you won’t fall or mess up.
Can a person, who has found the "TRUTH" (PSalm 119:142 & John 14:6) later reject the truth and be deceived by the LIES that lead to sin? Yes. He leads us to the path of righteousness, but we must endure and stay on that path until the end
um do we just ignore the book of hebrews now or something?? “Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.” Hebrews 3:12-13 “For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.” Hebrews 6:4-6 “For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,” Hebrews 10:26 YOU CAN LOSE YOUR SALVATION!! i used to be a calvinist and follow reformed theology, which i all learned from MAN. all this theology clouds the mind and makes clear scripture muddy. just let the texts speak for themselves. if we didn’t have to worry about losing our salvation, why does the bible constantly talk about enduring until the end and not to fall away?? i never see the words “eternal security” i see the words “falling away” tho
Hebrew 10:26 is about animal sacrifices, not salvation, u have to read it in context. Its about people who sacrifice animal for their sins instead of putting their faith in Jesus for the remission of sins.
@@franckazier8400 Luke 8:13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, recieve the word with joy; and these have no root, who BELIEVE for a while and in time of temptation FALL AWAY. Without adding to Scripture, did these people believe? Yes or No? Did they fall away after believing? Yes or No?
The sovereignty of God includes God being the rule and not the exception. If God decides to destroy the unrighteous and the righteous together He can do it and none can lay a charge to Him. If a person says: God can’t or won’t do that, then they don’t understand what sovereignty actually means. God can save and destroy that which he saved.
When Satan got in seminary Schools taught false of once saved always saved.And the other lie you not saved unless you speak in tongues.People actually believe these false doctrines yes you can go to hell as a Christian
@cat_with_a_book stop reading the Bible with verses my friend and you will what every writer including Paul and John creator state that you can lose your salvation. Bible was not meant to be read with chapter and verse
@cat_with_a_book yes they were added in the 13th and 16th century. We need to read the Bible each book at the time and stop taking verses out of context. The early church read each letter and book as a whole and not in bits and pieces.
@@IkeyP58then they were not born again or they’re going through a learning lesson. A prodigal son is still a son No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. 1 John 3:9
@oceanmaster8580 then youre not saved. Hebrews 10:26 states that if we deliberately keep on sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth which is the Gospel, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins but a fearful expectation of judgment and a fury of fire would consume the adversaries
This is related to a Christian who backslide then return to Jesus the story of Parable of two Sons. Once is save is always saved Repentance +faith+obedience +Jesus =Salvation
Disobedience what cause to lose Salvation. How ever the salvation can still recieve the salvation its because there are still alive. While we are breathing there is still hope and Salvation You can loose your salvation after you die without knowing Jesus. Obedience, repentance and Faith on Jesus can lead to salvation. A True Christian believer have a will to obey God and his words how many times he fall he will stand up repent and Fight again. keep the fight of good fight of good faith. You can loose your salvation after you die without knowing Jesus and Living in a Sinful life style. We have hope while we are still alive Change your ways brothers and Sister do your best Get the Crown of life. Focus on Heavenly things not things of this Earth. Pardon me for my English.
He, God holds onto us!!! 🙏 we were Sealed with the Holy Spirit. Key words in that is WERE SEALED. Who big enough to unseal us??? Nothing and Noone can separate us from the love of God through Chist Jesus. ❤
Well that’s another good point…”See to it..” 🤔 makes it seem like we can but see to it that you do your BEST to follow my commands and you won’t. Extremes 👀 🤦🏻♀️ I think we either don’t take scripture serious enough or we make it too difficult. I think the whole point was to do our best and KINDLY Correct each other while we teach each other THROUGH The Word IN THE HOLY SPIRIT. Period. 🤷♀️
I think the big stumbling block is that people believe we're forgiven temporally. What they don't understand is God poured out ALL His wrath for ALL our sins when Jesus was on the cross. That is why "there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus". We're only now realizing our sin, God dealt with it all at the cross.
The stumbling block was regarding the Pharisees believing they could earn their salvation by good works. If that were true, there would be no need for Christ to die on the cross. This is why Christ rebuked the Pharisees. They were caught up in their own self righteousness. They wanted to boast about their good works which made them closer to God rather than boasting in Christ work on the cross for righteousness.
@theothersideofthestory1594 my comment is in regards to current "christians" and why they believe you can lose your salvation, or rather why it's "Jesus + righteousness"
He’s a Calvinist, he does not believe your salvation has anything to do with you. He thinks God chose you to be saved. He’s wrong Place your trust in Christ’s Work
Know your scripture. Holy KJV Ephesians 1 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
I just say this with love to my calvinist brothers. I don't agree on this topic with you. If you clearly read and study The Bible, there will be a great falling away. Those who turn away from the faith was initially saved if they don't Repent and come back to God they will not enter The Kingdom of Heaven. People please not only read your Bible but also study it. Have a blessed day.
I believe this is true as well. I think he’s preaching more about losing salvation due to sin, not falling away from the faith. I believe if you deny Christ and walk away you will lose your salvation.
Saying that these people could be arrogant because they think they didn't break God's law because id thwy did they would know they are going to hell. I'm sorry, but atheist doesn't even know they are going to hell and need Jesus. There are sins that we commit without knowing, in fact pride is one of those sins that you can't see and the same as bitterness. They are prideful people and really need Jesus. That's a point not a joke. People weren't laughing in that clip at all because he is actually being serious, also listening to his tone in his voice, that's not a comedic tone.
This is blasphemy!!. And false teaching. Your salvation can be lost as fast as your got it. Your saying that once a person is saved they are perfect and how can someone be perfect in the flesh?. Only the spirit is perfect not the flesh. No wonder the Bible says that the righteous will scarcely be saved. Because of false teachings. And because it’s what ppl want to hear they love it with open arms.
That is not true what he is saying isn’t entirely correct but its not entirely wrong either we can’t lose are salvation by our sins but if we turn away and apostate then we can lose our salvation
@@Justice-j5k This is Jesus Christ speaking “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.” Revelation 3:5 He said “ and I will not blot out his name from the blook of life” meaning his name was there before , but if he falls away the name will be blotted out . This is Jesus Christ speaking
Yes you can put yourself in a position to have lost the salvation that God has giving... because we are not perfect and the word speaks about many falling away from God
The point is everyday we put ourself in that position because we all sin…therefore if it were possible there would be no point in being saved in the first place .
No the arrogance is saying that you can’t fall away despite there being several warnings in scripture that you can. The arrogance to say “there is nothing that can cause me to fall out of the way of truth!” Is what is sending many people to hell.
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end... ~ Hebrews 3:12--14
Brothers and sisters have faith in Jesus Christ repent of your sins, ask god for forgiveness,and be baptized in the Holy Spirit! May god bless you all, amen
Who are we to boast the capacity to lose salvation? God's children! He gave us the feature, that free will, that image of Him. What none is taking into account is what salvation is, and even the wicked will be resurrected!
The only question would be when is someone saved so salvation can't be lost? As Paul wrote run the race to win. Jesus parable of the soil only the good soil plant made it. Matthew 13:20-21 If God 1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. What is really different in the soil. Did God make it so those in the bad soil can't be saved and only in good soil could?
If you believe you could lose it, did you even have the faith to truly receive it before. You have to have faith, nothing you can do or say because God knows our hearts and our thoughts! He also said that not everyone who call him Lord will be saved because He knew in their hearts they lacked the true faith to be saved!
If you are not born again, you can’t enter the Kingdom of God. To be born again is to spiritually die, to repent, let go of the past and be a new person which is like Christ. Jesus was covered by the Holy Spirit through prayers and fasting. No one can be born again without the Holy Spirit. 🙏🏻🕊️❤️
I truly beleive what Jesus said. And hes the only one to follow. If we really trust what he said then we know salvation is given by our Lord n God. Still Jesus determines the finality. I believe as we've ("messed up",sinned), In life after we were baptized, professed Jesus "our" savior it's his all to make our place of salvation. I'll say this... its possible some may have went thru the motions but didnt " really" believe, having reserved doubt. I hope they wake to his everlasting promise.
The Bible teaches that God’s covenants are always conditional. The message is consistent that baptism is the beginning not the end. When Paul writes about salvation and heaven, it’s often followed by things like “if, we keep the faith” or “if, we continue in doing good” You can’t get baptized then just live however you wish and expect heaven after you die. You must put on Christ and live for him. That doesn’t mean we have to be perfect, grace and mercy cover our mistakes and slip ups but we must repent when we sin and ever strive to be more Christ like if we want salvation.
@@brohuggie2978 why, cause you say so? Show me book, chapter, verse to support you can get baptized and then live a life absent God and expect salvation.
@@mattm4557 John 3:15-16 King James Version 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Friend Jesus just said to believe in Him, and we will have eternal life, which is eternal security in Him, very simple. Now show me a place in the bible that one lost his salvation?
@@brohuggie2978 God showed several times in Old Testament that He reserves the right to strip a vow he’s made (it’s always a conditional covenant). Likewise, salvation can be lost if one doesn’t repent of sin and follow Christ’s teachings. Salvation is free by grace but living in faith (acting accordingly is required to maintain it). Here are a small sample of the many verses that demonstrate this. Examples 1 Sam 2:30 Therefore the Lord, the God of Israel, declares: ‘I promised that members of your family would minister before me forever. But now the Lord declares: ‘Far be it from me! Those who honor me I will honor, but those who despised me will be disdained. (Eli’s sons were corrupt priests who fornicated and made a mockery of the priesthood). Exo 32:9-10 9 “I have seen these people,” the Lord said to Moses, “and they are a stiff-necked people. 10 Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation.” (This is Israel (God’s chosen people after they made the gold cafe idol to worship and held an orgy while Moses was getting the 10 commandments). John 14:21 Whoever has my commandments AND KEEPS THEM, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him." John 15:5-6 “I am the vine; you are the branches. IF you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. IF you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. John 15:10 IF you keep my commands, you will REMAIN in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. James 5:19-20 My brothers and sisters, IF anyone among you strays from the truth and falls into error and another one turns him back to God, let the latter one know that the one who has turned a sinner from the error of his way will save that one's soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. (Here, we see saved people can be lost if they stray) Rev 3:15 So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth (this is Jesus speaking to a congregation of Christians) Ronans 2:7 To those who by PERSISTENCE in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. (Romans was written to believers, to the Christians in Rome). James 1:22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. (You deceive yourself if you think belief is enough, you must put your faith into practice by living as a disciple, writer goes on to say that even demons believe in God and Jesus - that alone won’t save you). James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder. Acts 2:37-38 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. (This is the beginning - repent and be baptized, and when you read the New Testament it’s very clear that maintaining that faith and salvation requires a life long commitment to serve the lord and live accordingly).
Are we just pawns in God's big game of chess he plays agianst himself? Do we have free will? Is our love of God free or does he force some to love him while forcing others to stay away drom him? Once saved always saved is based more on a philosophy than scripture. People.need to understand this. " i drive my body and train it, for fear that, after having preached to others, i myself should be disqualified" ~ St. Paul 1st Corinthians 9
I have felt that way, sometimes. That all of this, is just a big drama. I even wrote a poem, about it in my book, almost 25 years ago, that this was all a play and the world, was the stage. But now, I also believed, that once you believed, and also accepts Jesus, for who he is and the works, that he did, by dying for my sins and also yours, and that in believing, you became saved, once and for all eternity. Not by our works, but his.
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. That won't happen after the Son of God sets you free from the sins you once were lost in before you came to Him by God drawing you.
We are saved by faith, if you lose your faith you lose your salvation. Salvation is for the faithful Revelation 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus
That would mean, that you are saved by works, according to your logic. Which is also wrong. Only Jesus works, or righteousness, can save you. Not your works. Including, your faith. That also is works.
@@valerieguillaume52 stop building your doctrine around one misinterpreted verse. yes you are not saved by works, but if works don't follow your so called faith, do you really have any? God knows the heart. "To knowe Christ is to beleve in Christ. Ergo he that kepeth not the commaundementes / beleveth not in Christ." - William Tyndale
@@supersilverhazeroker Yes we are called to do good works but that is after God saves us by his grace and through faith in the finished and perfect work of Christ. (Ephesians 2:8). Our good works are like filthy rags on us in Gods eyes. Our works cannot save us! works is the outward evidence/fruit of the faith that is within us when we are justified through Christ Jesus! (John 10:27-29) If you’re saying that we can lose our salvation then you’re saying that what Christ has done (his death and resurrection) was not enough! And when he said “it is finished” it really wasn’t? Do not be deceived! If one is saved by grace are they also not kept by grace? If you couldn’t save yourself what makes you think you can keep yourselves saved! (Galations 3:3)
Paul said there's no division in the body of Christ. If you believed in Jesus then you are a part of the body. Jesus can't lose any part of his body. If this were possible then the would be no body. You are eternally secure in Jesus! Praise God!
@@olalekanaleem456 Then you're still under the law of Moses. You consider that the sacrifice of Jesus not good enough to have cleansed you and make you righteous in the eyes of God. Basically what you are saying is that you don't believe that Jesus cleansed you once and for all and you need to put in your own effort to be saved and enter eternal life. Paul said if you're under the law of Moses you must follow all the law. He also said that those who follow the law will never be able to do everything it says and we fall short of God's glory. This is why Jesus died for us to fulfill the law and offer us his grace. Think about these things for a moment.
@@olalekanaleem456 When you believe (put your faith/trust) in Jesus you become part of the body, meaning a part of Jesus. Did you not receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?
Philosophy here; Romans 11:21-23,”continue in His kindness or you too will be cut off”, read Heb. 3,6,13:4-5, then Deut 29-32, “will forsake” “never forsake”.
Salvation is a free gift to those who accept through believing in Christ and abstaining from sin through faith. So yes, you can loose your salvation. Remember, faith in Jesus without work is a dead faith. So we must work through faith to keep the gift of salvation. These types of teachings will lead many to hell.
My friend, the works is simply the evidence that proves you have salvation. “We will know them by their fruit”. Your works doesn’t save you. This was the same grave mistake the pharisees made. If we could earn salvation through works, their would be no need for Christ to die for sins, making his death a mockery. Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- so that no one may boast”. Therefore, if I am saved by my works, does that not give me something to boast about??? This would contradict scripture. Therefore we our saved by grace through faith, and our works is the proof/evidence that we have salvation. That’s why James says, faith without works is dead. Make sense?
@@theothersideofthestory1594 The work is faith in Jesus and doing his will. You and I both know what Jesus has commanded us to do and if we believe and follow him we will live with him in paradise. The death of Jesus paid for our sins. This is the grace the Bible is talking about. Remember, we were created perfect and then stained by sin. The lamb of God, Jesus, makes us prefect again in the eyes of God. Lastly, salvation is the reward the saints of God receive after we die or after he comes for following him. So you can not loose your salvation as long as you’re alive as it is a gift that can be accepted or rejected, it’s not forced upon anyone.
I have a question how does one saved always saved work when it comes to the mark of the beast when that time comes?? Because you can't get safe when you take the mark you will have to die for Christ or take the mark it will be a choice so can people that believe in once saved always saved that to me and don't tell me that this is different can Grace save you when you have the mark under your skin?
I truly don't understand this, could someone please clarify it for me? If I a Born Again Christian, step out with a sub-machine "nug" and spray people in all directions, how would I not lose my salvation?
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Excellent point Voddie!!! We are not saved by our own strength, or by works or by anything which we can boast about. We are saved through Jesus Christ, a free gift,by his great mercy and grace, so that no one can boast. Amen!!!!
Amen!
Wrong.
It’s not wrong my friend. If we could earn salvation by works, than there would be no reason for Jesus to die on the cross, because we could earn it ourselves. This is heresy. We can’t earn it, we need Christs sacrifice which in fact means that we are saved by grace through faith, and not works. The works is the evidence that we our saved. Christ does not make mistakes, those he saves are his and noting can snatch them out of his hand. A person who has true salvation will experience transformation and we will know them by their fruit. This is the gospel my friend. It’s the good news, and way, way better than a works based gospel. If it were works based, we are all doomed.
@@theothersideofthestory1594 Matthew 6:14-15.
Again, following Gods law is the evidence that you are saved, it’s not what does the saving. The Pharisees thought they could follow all the laws too, and be saved by their own self righteousness and Christ rebuked them for it. He called them vipers, white washed tombs and hypocrites. This is why the Pharisees hated Christ. We cannot follow all the laws or avoid sin. It’s impossible and it why we needed Christs sacrifice. Christ’s sacrifice does the saving. If you are truly saved, you would forgive others. If you won’t forgive others than your probably not saved. This statement by Christ is not talking about someone who doesn’t forgive one person one time, it’s talking about a lifestyle. Frankly it’s a poor example to argue for a works based salvation.
Romans 9:30-32 explains this clearly.
“What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith;
31 but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal.
32 Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone.”
Plain as day my friend. The Jews tried to attain salvation by works and they stumbled, the Gentiles attained salvation by faith and were accepted.
I think a better question is not whether you can lose your salvation but rather do you actually have it in the first place? Scripture tells us to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith! 2 Corinthians 13:5
One thing I know. From what I experienced when I was living a life from sin and going through hard times, I began to know what it meant to be a true follower of Jesus. Someone who finally understood me. Someone who was always there for me. My whole life was changed. All I know is that when you experience something like that, why would you even want to throw it away?
There's only 1 way to lose it. Deny Christ and His Gospel. If you're truly born again...that won't happen.
2 Peter 3:17-18
You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
You can fall from your own steadfast.
1 Timothy 1:19
having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck,
Your faith can shipwreck
1 Timothy 6:20-21
O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge- by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith.
Grace be with you. Amen.
By professing false knowledge you can depart from the faith
1 Timothy 5:11-15
But refuse the younger widows; for when they have begun to grow wanton against Christ, they desire to marry, having condemnation because they have cast off their first faith. And besides they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house, and not only idle but also gossips and busybodies, saying things which they ought not. Therefore I desire that the younger widows marry, bear children, manage the house, give no opportunity to the adversary to speak reproachfully. For some have already turned aside after Satan.
Like these widows you can cast off your faith and turn aside after Satan.
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
You can depart from the faith, in fact, in latter times some will depart from the faith. In none of these does it say the faith they had was false or not in Jesus. Pluse there is one faith so we can't assume there faith wasn't the one faith in scripture. And by doing so we might be in danger of professing false knowledge. If we continue to do so we too can depart from the faith.
Ephesians 4:4-6
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
It can happen. That's why the Baptism of the spirit is important.
Even if you deny Christ and his gospel after once believing in it, you’re still saved.
@@FernServesGod
2 Timothy 2:12
If we endure,
We shall also reign with Him.
If we deny Him,
He also will deny us.
Matthew 10:32-33 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
@@FernServesGod Matthew 10:33 Jesus speaking, "Whosoever denies me before men, him will I also deny my Father which is in Heaven.
"For if righteousness comes by the law then Christ died in vain." - Paul
@ChrisWare-qh7xd Amen!!
Amen 🙏
In context, he was writing to Jewish Christians and referring to the Law of Moses, the Old Covenant.
The New Testament does mention many conditional verses of abiding in Christ.
1 John 1:7
@@mrwhitelight92right just misquoting
What Bible verse is that
I turned my life to Christ today, and from today forward, I will hold myself accountable every time I get that desire to sin, I will be the vessel that God yearns for me to become, Amen.
Kingdom Business!!
Be very careful because that sounds like you are about to put yourself in bondage friend!
I don't think God is looking for vessels that pay more attention to their sins rather then what Jesus did at the cross, for our sins by shedding His blood for the forgiveness of ALL our sins.
Then start be losing every false sense of a mortal life separate and apart from God...
This is the basis of True Christianity not of religious belief!!
In proportion to our abandonment of God are we taken care of by God. Therefore, we must surrender to the Will of God(Inner Christ) if we truly Desire to Discern the Movements of God within, as God conducts his Will in ways that oppose human will and understanding!!!
Welcome to the light! Now as Jesus said go and sin no more.
Let every thought and action be with the Lord Jesus Christ in mind. ❤
@@stevenwalter5741
Good luck with that friend no one has been able to do that. lol. Read scripture in context than you’ll be able to understand what Jesus is talking about and who He is saying it to.
Only when he was near dying did the apostle Paul feel that his salvation was assured. In 2 Timothy4:7 he says "I have fought the fine fight. I have run the race to the finish." In verse 8 he says: "From this time on, there is reserved for me the crown of righteousness." Paul said earlier in his life as he stated in Philippians 3:13 and 14 that he thought that he hadn't yet taken hold of his reward. He needed to "press on toward the goal of the prize of the upward call of God by means of Christ Jesus."
Bless you for understanding that this OSAS doctrine is a heresy leading many souls into hell by virtue of ignorance.
No... I'd clarify that it wasnt about assurance, it was about the HOPE of Salvation through continuing to believe. Our Faith is in the perfect blood of Jesus who saves all who place their trust in Him and His blood to save from the wrath to come... and in the BLOOD is perfect assurance ❤
@@Mu2mA my dear brother, the bible tells us, not only that we can KNOW we have eternal life, but the bible says in 1 Peter 1:23, we, having “been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God which liveth and abideth for ever”. Salvation is incorruptible. Even if we do something corrupt, the seed cannot be corrupted. Not by us ourselves, or anyone else. My dear brother or sister, Jesus DID NOT become sin for us… BY sinning. And like so, we do not become or remain righteous, by being righteous. It is imputed. If we could lose our salvation, it would mean it is a matter of what we do and don’t do. It would make salvation a matter of dependence actions and deeds. And the Bible says, salvation is a free gift. It costs you nothing. It’s free. It’s given to you simply by believing the gospel and once attained cannot be lost. For the bible says, you are SEALED until the day of redemption. Irreversibly. For by one man’s deeds, sin entered into the world. Permanently. And by another man’s deeds, sin was cleansed, PERMANENTLY. The bible says if we sin, (which we will), we have an advocate with the father.
@@Mu2mAmy dear brother, tell me, who was Jesus? Was he just a man? Or was he god. If he was god, then he would be able to know not only the past, not only the present, but also the future. Jesus knew when he died for you, that even after you believe, you would sin, and he STILL chose to die for you.
Dimas walked away, Judas hung himself.Revelation 22:18-19-20 ,our name was in the book of life but could be erased if ..
The ONLY a thing that can save SINNERS is the blood JESUS shed
Indeed.
You still have to endure until the end , anyone can defer from the faith.
@@kirkSTG
wow so you are saying is that the Blood of Christ is not that powerful?
@@brohuggie2978no it's powerful enought but people can turn away. I give example I was saved ,and I asked God Could I be in the music industry, but he showed if I went that way I would go to hell. Because that wasn't the will for my life. See we have to do the father will for our life that's what's this all about and part of that will is to be saved by Jesus Christ. For Christ said many shall say unto me that lord lord have we not done this and that. And he gone say depart from me I never knew u . Jesus said whoever does the will of my father will enter into heaven. You cant just live your life and then decide one day lord I wanna follow u it don't work that way. When God call u ,you gotta go right then and there or it'll be too late. Many people think they can have as much time to live their life then turn to God it don't work that way
@@kirkSTG
Look the scriptures are very easy to understand, one just needs to read them in context and BELIEVE them.
God's will is for us to just believe in Him
that is all, He takes care of the rest.
our salvation will never be hindered or deleted by us NO WAY!
If you love music then go for it, enjoy life, do your best in helping and caring for others as you can. will we fail? all the time, but that has nothing to do with God's will,
our will did not even save us, because our will had nothing to do with our salvation.
John 1:13 - John 6:40
Now read it and believe it.
They don't understand the fact that God is no longer counting our sins against us. Therefore, we won't lose our salvation because there is no sin that God will hold against us that would cause us to lose His indwelling Holy Spirit.
Hebrews 10:26 though
@@ifeanyichukwu3644 Paul is addressing the Jews, and I believe he is speaking of animal sacrifices.
@@shkuyt986 I don't agree, because it says after receiving the knowledge of the truth
@@ifeanyichukwu3644 If I may ask what truth are we talking about? The truth of the law (10 commdts). The truth that is mentioned here is that despite knowing the law people kept sinning and expected to cover it up with an inferior sacrifice (animals). If we read to entirety of Hebrews 10 we will see that Paul is talking of animal sacrifices and comparing it to Christ's sacrifice which says that
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Skip down to verse 14 where he talks of Christ:
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
And if we see verse 28 after the topic verse (10:26), we see that Paul was referring to Moses' law.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Now verse 29 states that we should be in much more punishment than a breaker of Moses' law should we sin after receiving Christs sacrifice. It states that we deserve much worse punishment but what punishment can be worse than hell? There is none. It is never stated that we will be punished. However this will incur severe judgment and wrath from God.
Verse 29 states that: "The Lord shall judge his people."
If you lose your salvation are you a member of God's people anymore? Let me know your thoughts on what I have written.
@@ifeanyichukwu3644 no, the verse dont talk about salvation : God's own words, found in the Old Testament Scriptures, declare His intention to replace the old covenant with a new covenant. Jesus fulfills all of these prophecies, and all of the symbolism found in the system of priests, the tabernacle, and animal sacrifices. Knowing that Jesus Christ is, undoubtedly, God's remedy for our sin, we should be encouraged in holding on to our faith in the face of persecution. However, that same confidence means dire spiritual consequences for those who know Christ's salvation, but choose to act in defiance of His will..
My favorite preacher ever voddie Baucham 🔥🔥🔥
by the grace of God, I am what I am. Glory to Him, not me, for not losing it.
I used to question all the time, did I do too many things wrong for him to be able to forgive me.
As years went by and I grew in my walk with Jesus, I realized that was foolish. I was just a baby in my walk with Jesus and that was the problem. I believe that's why reading the Bible is so important. When you're constantly feeding yourself with God's word, it removes the doubt! It's a constant reminder of God's grace.
Not to many will enter the narrow gate. Trust in the finished work of Christ. There is still time for you. Turn to Christ and be healed😔
Requires more than that
We are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling…Our wonderful God is a consuming fire 🔥. God please have mercy on your children and let us see the truth🙏🏽
I wonder what the prodigal son story was communicating?
A son that was in the father’s house, left the father’s house, found himself eating with pigs, came back home and father was waiting for him.
And who are you to claim that son wasn’t saved the entire time? Did he still being his fathers son because for a short while he was lost and confused? The story literally illustrates how God chases after the people who belong to Him who for a short time go astray. Hence why some are saved by the fire.
@@Wisdomlies ”Notice how God is both kind and severe. He is severe toward those who disobeyed, but kind to you if you continue to trust in his kindness. But if you stop trusting, you also will be cut off.“
Romans 11:22
@@Wisdomlies IF YOU CONTINUE in his goodness says Romans 11:22. Otherwise, you too will be CUT OFF!!
@@Wisdomlies Well, the story says he was lost. I don’t know what last means to Calvinist, but to me, it means that they were backslidden. Number two the father never went after him. The father was waiting for him, but never went after him.
Second half of Psalms 127: 1 comes to mind “…except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.”
It’s clearly The Lord who keeps us and makes sure we don’t lose our salvation, and so, if The Lord keeps us, we just CANNOT be lost.
The whole book of Hebrews is a word of exhortation to Jewish believers to stay faithful despite persecution...... You can't loose it but you can walk away from it....
That's always how I understood it
If one can walk away from salvation all would do it, because of our nature, read scripture in context friend!
@@brohuggie2978many did when persecution came. They denied Christ to spare their own life. But I guess you think they are saved just the same as the ones who were persecuted.
This is why John mac says we can take the mark of the beast. Bc he says OSAS. Take the mark of the beast if so confident in OSAS that it overrides the 80 warnings in the Bible. Insanity,
@@Rileyed
So OSAS can take the mark? Tell me something what makes you think that saved people will be left behind after the rapture?
Amen! I needed to hear this. I was raised by a mother who played church piano, so we were there every time the doors opened. The church preached figma rather than the daving grace of Jesus, yet I still heard alot of the word. As I got older and had the choice, I stopped going to church. I went to a healing service at 21 to mock or rather stand up for what I thought was the truth (as I believed it was a show being put on and not real at all). Jesus had mercy on me that day, and I got healed and saved, and the next night baptized with the Holy Spirit. For a long while I preached, went to Bible college and stood firm. Yet I saw alot of hypocracy inside the church walls, and after this going on and on, I said to God, if this is what your kids are about, I dont want to be around them.
To make a long story short, I fell away from the "family of God" and became distant from the Lord. Through many hardships I realized that this digma of "measuring up" or not, ruined my view of Christ. I now understand that noone or nothing can tear us out of the hands of our Savior. His blood is beyond powerful and his grace and mercy endures forever!
That love, grace and mercy is now what makes me want to be obedient, because he first loved me!
Sorry this was so long.
It’s not measuring up. It’s continuing to cleave to Christ. Trusting God. Not going back to the world etc. if you think you have to measure up or went around judging others you still had the nature of Satan and didn’t see God as a father and fellow Christian’s and brothers and sisters but thought highly of yourself. Pride causes us to fall away from God. Many Christian’s are full of self/pride meaning they are not in Christ. And in serious danger bc God is against the proud.
Isaiah 43:25
“I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.”
It’s not arrogance, it’s humility.
“Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.”
Romans 11:22
Louder please! Tell them! OSAS is sending lots of Christians to hell. So heartbreaking!
Very sad to see someone not continuing in God’s kindness. I think a lot of this has to do with judging others instead of being kind towards them as God was towards you (when you were dead in your trespasses). If we look at the context I think this makes the most sense. We should always see a person in the state that we were once in, showing mercy always & not judgement, because we never know when God’s kindness will lead them to repentance. Heaven forbid you prevent them from coming to repentance by NOT showing His kindness to them. We are a living testimony of God’s kindness, provided we remain in His kindness, taking on this very nature of God, being kind to the good & evil, the just & the unjust. God shows no partiality. He consigned us all to sin that He might have mercy on us all.
@@BingoNamo-gb8pz the scripture is very clear about gods kindness. It clearly says if you continue in his goodness. Otherwise, you will be cut off. So I’m sorry if this offends your religious sensibilities, but the word of God is the word of God. And God is good, and God is kind, and God is just, but don’t forget the God destroyed the world with a flood, and he also killed every firstborn baby of Egypt. So don’t tell me what I say is sad, I just quoted the word of God. The real sad thing is when somebody says you can live the way you want with absolutely no consequences because you have eternal security and you cannot lose your salvation. That is really sad because you are misleading people to believe they could continue to live in sin, and give them selves to the flesh, and that they will still be OK.
@@WORTIZ13so have you ever sinned after salvation?
@@FARQUAD44yes
Work out your salvation with fear, and trembling. Ask yourself, look into the mirror, take inventory, and then you stand before God. The excuses, problems, and woe of me, is out the door. Praise Jesus Lord God and Savior AMEN.
You can. It's all over the Bible. Read it! The Bible it filled with warnings for believers, with righteousness for believers. How can you read the word without coming to the conclusion that God hates sin, including in us and by ignoring thoughs warnings were putting ourselves in jeopardy. Why eltce would the holy spirit convict us?
Because your saved by faith not by works you can throw your salvation away but you can’t sin your way into hell
God bless you brother...
@@danilom951 they work hand in hand there is no works without faith and vice Versa. So your telling me if I am saved by faith I can go around partying doing drugs and having sex outside of marriage all I want and still make it to heaven?
@@Mrlovalova200 well yeah it’s not going to be very pleasant for you there’s still real world consequences from that will come from that type of life but if you are genuine believer you are saved. It’s not about your works they only show other people that you are genuine god judges the heart
The point of his sermon is that your works are not going to keep you saved.
Losing it is one thing, but rejecting it! is
This is Jesus Christ speaking
“He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.”
Revelation 3:5
He said “ and I will not blot out his name from the blook of life” meaning his name was there before , but if he falls away the name will be blotted out . This is Jesus Christ speaking
Amen , you will receive a Victory lap! Much love brother or sister !
You, understand the Word , we must overcome, keep continue, if means conditional,
abide, do, these are all VERBS= Action words! Be ye DOERS of the Word and not hearers only ,deceiving your own selves?
God help those that will be left behind to wake up and get FAITHFUL to the Lord Jesus!
They twist the scriptures to their own destruction!
Keep fighting the good fight and running the race and finish it , so you can receive the prize! 😊❤️💍✈️💕much love
He who overcomes is he who believes not he who is perfect in flesh because none are and none will be…stop being self righteous when u wrong god even without knowing it
He that overcomes is he that believes in Jesus ;
1 John 5:5
What must a man do to be saved ? John ch3 vs 16
READ JOHN CH 3 VS 16 WHO is going to give u ......ETERNAL ......LIFE IF U BELIVE JESUS CHRIST?
There is scripture referring to not allowing the spirit to leave you and that only God truly knows the true heart of every single one of us. Only through repenting and surrender.
Amen Pastor Voddie Amen 🙏🏽
AMEN PRAISE JESUS ❤❤❤
But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die. “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear now, O house of Israel: Is my way not just? Is it not your ways that are not just? When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die. Ezekiel 18:24-26
I have never read this scripture before, wow, thanks for sharing!!!
Your reading from the old testament, the old covenant. Jesus came and died on the cross for our sins, because he knew we couldn't be righteous. No not one of us.
Reconciliation is real. 1 john 1:9,repent of your sins and confess them to the father.
@meltondowns3029
read scripture in context friend! and stop trying to twist scripture,
( his righteousness will not be remembered )
since when was mans righteousness salvation for them?
Amen. . Examine your heart
“Try your own selves. Whether you are IN THE FAITH. . “ know that you know that you know that you are I N CHRIST thru His work on the cross alone
The only people I’ve ever known that say once saved always saved, are the ones that want the assurance of salvation without any responsibility to try to live righteously. In the end times many will fall away from the faith. Explain that one.
People have fallen from the faith ever since they started to put their trust in themselves to keep themselves saved, by their own works, and denied what Jesus did at the cross by shedding His blood for us. It is a shame how people stopped looking to the cross anymore, and just think they can do it themselves and do not need the assurance of the work of the cross! very sad
living righteously does not get you eternal life. If it was up to you to get eternal life than Christ died in vain.
Galatians 2
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
@@GiftofGrace88I agree, we cannot work our way to heaven. Our greatest efforts are "filthy rags" to God. But at the same time, faith without works is dead. Jesus made it Chrystal clear that if we love Him we will obey Him. “Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven"
These are the same people that don’t want to go church and deny Jesus 🤷🏻♂️but..all one can do is work and pray for then
Our eternal souls are dependent on believing in the right person to save us from our sins.
Galatians 1:8
”But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.“
Matthew 25:41
”Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:“
This is the Gospel by which we are saved and sealed by the Holy Spirit to the day of our redemption (the rapture):
I Corinthians 15:1-4
“Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, BY WHICH ALSO YOU ARE SAVED, if you hold fast (staunch stand or firmly establish, deeply held belief) that word which I preached to you-unless you believed in vain (not believing in the resurrection of Jesus, see verses 15-17 of 1 Corinthians 15). For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures (Old Testament/Torah/Tanakh prophecies), and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures” (again, Old Testament/Torah/Tanakh prophecies).
Ephesians 1:13
“In Him (Jesus) you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION (read 1 Corinthians 15:1-4); in whom also, having BELIEVED, you were SEALED with the Holy Spirit of promise”
Ephesians 4:30
“And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were SEALED for the day of redemption.”
Ephesians 2:8-9
“For by GRACE you have been saved through faith, and that NOT of YOURSELVES; it is the GIFT of God, NOT OF WORKS, lest anyone should boast.”
Romans 11:6
“And if by GRACE, then it is no longer of WORKS; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.”
Galatians 2:21
”I do not set aside the GRACE of God; for if righteousness comes through the LAW, then Christ DIED IN VAIN.”
Isaiah 64:6
”But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.“
Hebrews 10:10
”By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.“
Romans 3:20
“Therefore by the DEEDS of the law NO FLESH will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 8:1-2
”There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.“
John 5:24
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has EVERLASTING life, and shall NOT come into JUDGEMENT, but has passed from death into life.
Romans 3:27-28
“Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith APART from the DEEDS of the law.”
John 10:28-30
“And I give them ETERNAL life, and they shall NEVER perish; neither shall ANYONE snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and NO ONE is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. I and My Father are one.”
Titus 3:5-7
“He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of ETERNAL life.”
John 8:35-36
“And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. Therefore if the SON makes you free, you shall be FREE INDEED.”
It takes not arrogance, but humility, to read the Bible through with this question in mind. Take it at face value, and obey. Beware of teaching that fosters complacency, such as You can't lose Salvation, or that other chestnut, unknown till the 19th century: You'll be safe in heaven during the Tribulation. God bless you.
Uuuuuummmm it's the opposite, how arrogant do you have to be to feel like you can't lose your salvation?
All arrogance is bad. Salvation is a free gift given to the humble (poor in spirit). God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. I can see what he is saying & I can see what you are saying. I think you are both right because both attitudes are rooted in pride. The focus is the condition of the heart. The one who’s confidence is in the Lord shall be saved.
Salvation is not yours to keep, salvation belongs to Jesus. The Lord keeps us saved, when we get saved our names are written in the book of life, Jesus said that all who come to me I will in no wise cast out. There is no sin or demon or devil or angel or person that can take away what the Lord has done for us.
You are self righteous, repent, this ladies and gentlemen shows the heart of someone who thinks they can loose their salvation, self righteous and prideful.
john 18:9
So you're more powerful than God that you can escape his salvation?
Hebrews 10:26
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.
And this was written to Christians. It’s hard to be saved if there’s not a sacrifice for your sins.
Exactly if we can loose our salvation that would mean that we are giving ourselves salvation who are we we are saved by God
you can lose it
How did you come up with this?
Your understanding of salvation is not complete. Have you seen phil2:12where it says work out your salvation with fear and trembling?
Why would he say that if not doing that didn't have any implications?
The 5 foolish virgins, where the called to the wedding feast? But did they enter?
If there's no way of loosing it why is the bible full of such warnings?
Salvation is a gift and is it all d time that u can appreciate a gift@@amossundaysunday
2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
Adding this to the previous replies
Is that your interpretation or is that inspired by Holy Spirit? First thing i did was ask God how i can lose my Salvation. He told me Holding grudges and unforgiveness, blaspheming the Holy Spirit, remain in God or he will remove your lampstand, ect
I know you betta preach that!❤..most don't even understand
Amen. Thank you Pastor Baucham❤
That's an absolute, undeniable yes to this question, just in case you're hanging in the balance
If you lose it then you never had it. Many get saved and dont know why they got saved. Now they probably will fall away bc they didn't understand it when they got saved. They lost their salvation but only because they didn't understand it and never really got saved. Being saved brings desire, desire for God and not yourself.
Don't be deceived by false faith and false salvation. If one is truly saved he must continue to live the kind of life which we can see on those who are truly saved. One tangible evidence if one is truly saved is seen through his deeds because all his actions are in harmony to the will of God.
That’s wishful thinking. The Bible says otherwise;
Luke 8:13
They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
Luke 11:24-26
24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
Romans 11:18-22
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Hebrews 10:26-27
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hebrews 10:38-39
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
2 Peter 1:10
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
2 Peter 2:20-21
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2 Peter 3:17
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
Revelation 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
That's one of the promise that you do have your salvation that you were chosen.That's what I've ever says.Work out your salvation with fear and trembling.Read your viable.How could you know God, if you don't read your Bible?How
It's dangerous for you not to show the rest of what Voddie Baucham says..
Yeah in trying to understand in full context
If you have a RELATIONSHIP with Christ and also think that you should teach anyone that Jesus will be faithful when you reject the relationship then how arrogant for you to take Him for granted.
No the Lord does t require perfection. Just what he said: Love the Lord your God with ALL your heart and mind and soul. Just like he did at the Cross.
Be willing to sacrifice for that is what love is.
Be Catholic to learn the fullness of the Faith.
Well that’s another good point…”See to it..” 🤔 makes it seem like we can but see to it that you do your BEST to follow my commands and you won’t. Extremes 👀 🤦🏻♀️
I think we either don’t take scripture serious enough or we make it too difficult. I think the whole point was to do our best and KINDLY Correct each other while we teach each other THROUGH The Word IN THE HOLY SPIRIT. Period. 🤷♀️
I’ve gone back & forth through many different thoughts on all of these matters. At the end of the day I became exhausted with all the different theories so as Jesus commands “come to me all you who are weary & heavy laden & I will give you rest” I did & I think this is the true heart of the gospel. To continue to come to Jesus always & He will give you rest always. Or just come to Jesus & stay with Him. Remain in Him. Remain in His rest. The trouble is we are always being tempted to drift away & start working again. We become weary & we go back to Him for rest. The goal for the Christian is to stop drifting away. Stop doubting His love. Stop doubting His promise. Stop doubting His grace. Rest in Him. When Jesus is Lord we are no longer lord & we can rest. It’s heaven on earth. No other way than to truly make Jesus Lord. I’m not calling it “lordship salvation” but making Jesus your real Lord in all things IS the best possible scenario for us on this earth. You will have peace like you’ve never felt before. Once your life is no longer your own, but His to do as He pleases. I just can’t emphasize enough how blissful this is. When Jesus is Lord your life is in the absolute best hands. Many of us are afraid to give Jesus Lordship because we think Jesus is going to put us in difficult circumstances that we can’t handle. But I can assure you that when your absolute trust is in Him you will NEVER be put to shame. His name is on the line, not ours. Being crucified with Christ is freedom. As long as our old man stays alive we are slaves to the desires of the flesh. We must allow our loving savior to crucify us so we can then reign with Him. We must choose, heaven or earth. Heaven is much better in my opinion. There is no condemnation to anyone who is in Christ, but you may feel condemned if you continue in the flesh, and God would like to spare you that condemnation & the constant battle of assurance of salvation. There is a reason we have these internal struggles when we become entangled in sin. We know we are drifting away & that we must return, but sometimes we drift away far longer & further than we should & this is playing a dangerous game. Yes, God will always receive us just as He instructed us to always receive our brothers & sisters when they sin against us & REPENT. 7 times in a day is a lot. Have we ever repented genuinely 7 times in a day? This again shows the heart of God. How He wants to forgive us always & how he wants us to repent always. To remain in a constant state of unrepentance is the greatest discomfort.
There are 2 main things we repent of. 1 is trusting in our works for salvation. The other is thinking there is more pleasure in pleasing our flesh than in pleasing God. What pleases God most? Us finding rest in Jesus Christ. Faith in Christ. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Running to the world for comfort & pleasure or running to religious works for assurance are the 2 deadly sins. Lust & Pride. We are always being tempted as long as we are in the flesh with these 2 things, but those who rest in Christ will overcome. If we sin we have an advocate. If our hearts condemn us God is greater than our hearts. The key, rest & repent quickly each time you drift away from His rest. It seems silly to think anyone would ever want to leave the rest that is in Christ, but that is how deceptive the flesh & religion are. They go hand in hand. The strength of sin is the law. The law awakens the flesh & the flesh sins. In Christ our flesh stays crucified. He’s made this wonderful provision. Once you find it you won’t want to leave & when you do leave you will be very anxious to get back to Him.
God wants a deep intimate relationship with us. He wants to be our absolute provision. Our Savior to the uttermost. This is why He gave us this gospel. So that WE can never break fellowship with Him since our fellowship is no longer broken by sin, but guaranteed by the blood of Christ. The only way to break fellowship is to stop trusting in His blood. Let us keep trusting, keep resting, keep fellowship & God will keep us, sanctify us, & transform us into His image, Jesus Christ.
In my humble opinion. Romans chapter 6 tells me that our salvation can be lost. God instructed us to be holy as he is holy. Salvation is a free gift from Christ Jesus our lord. But if we continue to live as the sinners we once were. We by our own actions forfeit that gift. We are new creatures in Christ through What he did for us. We are human, we will make mistakes. This is where the grace of Christ comes in. All we have to do is ask for forgiveness. He is faithful to forgive us. That's how I feel Christ interprets it to me. What do you guys think?
I ❤️ Once Saved Always Saved!
OSAS is a Lie! You might as well start saying “once lost, always lost” which we KNOW through Scripture to be untrue
So what about Judas Iscariot?
@@KeKe4Christ Once saved, always saved. It's clear that you don't even know what that means
@@jimiahholland6759 Was Judas saved? Go read your Bible
@raphaelfeneje486 wow felt the love in that. Salvation is a gift. It's not a once saved always saved. That not even a scripture. The reason I asked about Judas is that he is a prime example of that heresy you think is truth. Judas sat at the feet of Jesus. He was saved under Him until Satan entered his heart. Judas turned away from God after being savd. If we were always saved, Jesus wouldn't have needed to do what He did on the cross. And would have preached the gospel in hell. Jesus wouldn't say take up my cross daily and subject yourself unto Him (Luke 9:23) if we are "once saved always saved." If you believe I warn you now that you play a dangerous game. You have been warned. May God bless you, and next time, don't be so harsh. Jesus came in grace and truth. The Holy Spirit convicts, He does not condemn, so you need to check the spirit in which you speak. Because I am a man of God before you.
If we can't save ourselves. (By grace through faith) how can we keep ourselves saved?
I laugh everytime i watch this 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💯💯💯 tell em voddie ❤
Voddie can off himself
Im not into imorallity now cuz im scared to lose salvation... Its not that i m working to saved myself but if i go back former life am unsaved.
If you can't lose your salvation why did he said judgement shall start at the house of God
Understand context. He is talking about the need for correction in this life. This passage nowhere mentions judgement day for believers. It talks about the need to correct brothers and sisters in the faith. Correct first the body, then the world will witness a healthy body and join.
@@ethanhutchison3180 How you responding to a scripture that you no nothing about
@@ethanhutchison31801Peter4:17... 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
@@northmemphis48 AMP
Which of the two did the will of the father?” The chief priests and elders replied, “The first one.” Jesus said to them, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you that the tax collectors and the prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you.
@northmemphis48 the reason why Jesus said the righteous will scarcely be saved isn’t because of how “righteous” they were, but because had Jesus not shed his blood for their sin they wouldn’t be saved at all. They were made righteous because of Jesus, not because of “how good they were”. The unrighteous deny him and are therefore not declared righteous. It’s not a works based statement, but Jesus declaring who he is in that we are made righteous by him and him alone, meaning we are scarcely saved by him alone. This is not a license to sin, the Bible clearly talks about having fruit and living for the Lord, but we are justified by our faith, not our works, hence Ephesians 2:8-9.
Blessings brother
Does anyone have a link to Voddie’s full sermon on this? I would love to see it.
The sermon is called, “Getting the Gospel Right” ☺️
@@MadameMedina31 Thank you!
Then Peter said unto Him, Lord, speakest Thou this parable *unto us* [pros hémas], or *also* [kai] to all? ... Blessed is that servant ... *but if* [ean de] that servant ... my Lord delays to come ... and will appoint him his portion *with the unbelievers* [meta tôn apistôn].
- Lk 12^ 41...46
They arent ready for this verse
This seems to line up with the parable of the ten virgins. Terrifying.
Add this
2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
I don't think this is consistent with Scripture anywhere. Salvation is a path not an event. Salvation is begun, continued, and finalized. We must persevere.
I'm still working out how this can happen, as there seems to be a middle path between legalism and free grace that is neither. When I understand it, I will put it online.
We may have turned away from sin in repentance but we still carry the dark seed of sin within us whilst on this earth. Just as a reformed alcoholic can at any time fall off the bandwagon, I believe that a repentant person can turn away from God and back to sin again therefore back to the original state of sin and iniquity and no longer be safe in salvation. Even if we feel that we are secure and will never turn away from God again, we need only look at Peter in his denial of the Lord Jesus, or the virgins without lamp oil, why else must we fight the warfare every second in order to keep our salvation? Does the Bible not say that satan if possible will deceive even the elect 🤔
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We must fight to maintain good works of our faith why? To have fellowship with God and with the church. To experience the love of God in our life. To not give in to the lusts of the flesh. To escape judgement on Judgement Day (not hell). There's more topics being discussed than salvation in the Bible. Salvation cannot be lost. Once we are saved, we are called by God to live a righteous life as part of growing in the faith.
@@shkuyt986I cannot agree in full to what you say... works cannot save us, if we feel we must be saved by works then we have not enough faith in the grace of God, nor in Jesus Christ as Saviour.
None will "escape judgement", all will be judged at that day for evil or for good.
Salvation can absolutely be lost, we should not be so presumptuous.
I agree we must fight, but to maintain a relationship with the Lord and to fight against the evils of this world.
The most important fight and task is to the saving of souls, by the planting of seed, working for God to bring the lost sheep home to the fold.
With respect 🙏
@@galelilley9049 I do not believe in a works based salvation. I do not believe works save you. The clear Gospel is in what John 3:16 says. We cannot lose our salvation. I was merely stating WHY we must fight the good fight.
If we could lose our salvation then we are basing our salvation off of good works to keep us to salvation. That is relying on our own power to take us to heaven. Not biblical and not possible. Let us not confuse verses speaking of our relationship with God(what do to once I am saved) with what must I do to be saved(sealed unto the day of redemption eph 4:30). Christ has already done the work. Once we are saved we are headed for heaven. I can provide scripture for that. If we could lose salvation we wouldn't be saved but safe (present tense).
Hebrews 10 26-31
"Workout your salvation in fear and trembling. " Why should I fear and tremble if I don't lose my salvation? :(
".....Do not bring us to the test but deliver us from evil" Sure sounds like somebody can fall short...isn't it so?
Amen there are warnings after warnings and people want to turn A Blind Eye tho them !
Revelation 22:19 warns US
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
King James Version , they totally changed this in the NIV , l guess they will receive the curses written in this book and TAKEN OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE! In order to be written in the Book of life you have to be saved !
They are twisting the scriptures to their own destruction. Much love , God bless you for speaking truth , not many will enter into the kOdom of
Kingdom of God ! Sorry for the mess up😊 much love ❤️💍✈️💕 l guess we will all find out soon when the Lord comes to get his faithful bride!
Workout your salvation and u can lose your salvation are not synonymous that’s your man made comparison to justify self righteousness…u workout your salvation by continuing to trust in Jesus , that doesn’t mean you won’t fall or mess up.
You are delivered from evil the moment u accept Christ…
@@yamomma5053 you forgot to address the "fear and trembling" part? :)
Why would God warn us to be careful to keep that which we cannot lose no matter what. It doesn't make sense.
Perhaps add the question, why would Satan want us to think we can't fall away... now that makes sense.
A person who believes they can lose their salvation can never say they are “saved.” They can only ever say they’re safe.
Could you please explain why Hebrews 6:4-8 says what it says?
If they did, they'd have to change their position.
If you coukd loose your salvation.. You would.
You can lose your salvation.
Can a person, who has found the "TRUTH" (PSalm 119:142 & John 14:6) later reject the truth and be deceived by the LIES that lead to sin? Yes. He leads us to the path of righteousness, but we must endure and stay on that path until the end
um do we just ignore the book of hebrews now or something??
“Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.”
Hebrews 3:12-13
“For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.”
Hebrews 6:4-6
“For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,”
Hebrews 10:26
YOU CAN LOSE YOUR SALVATION!! i used to be a calvinist and follow reformed theology, which i all learned from MAN. all this theology clouds the mind and makes clear scripture muddy. just let the texts speak for themselves. if we didn’t have to worry about losing our salvation, why does the bible constantly talk about enduring until the end and not to fall away?? i never see the words “eternal security” i see the words “falling away” tho
You can't lose your salvation. Listen to the Grace Evangelical Society with Bob Wilkin.
Hebrew 10:26 is about animal sacrifices, not salvation, u have to read it in context. Its about people who sacrifice animal for their sins instead of putting their faith in Jesus for the remission of sins.
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Luke 8:13
But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, recieve the word with joy; and these have no root, who BELIEVE for a while and in time of temptation FALL AWAY.
Without adding to Scripture, did these people believe? Yes or No?
Did they fall away after believing? Yes or No?
Falling away is talking about losing your fellowship with God and the church but not salvation!
The sovereignty of God includes God being the rule and not the exception. If God decides to destroy the unrighteous and the righteous together He can do it and none can lay a charge to Him. If a person says: God can’t or won’t do that, then they don’t understand what sovereignty actually means. God can save and destroy that which he saved.
God cannot lie therefore your point is wrong
@@snp2687 Then you don't understand Sovereignty. God has been known to change His mind.
When Satan got in seminary Schools taught false of once saved always saved.And the other lie you not saved unless you speak in tongues.People actually believe these false doctrines yes you can go to hell as a Christian
If we cannot lose our salvation then why is there approximately 80 verses in the New Testament that say otherwise?
@cat_with_a_book stop reading the Bible with verses my friend and you will what every writer including Paul and John creator state that you can lose your salvation. Bible was not meant to be read with chapter and verse
@cat_with_a_book yes they were added in the 13th and 16th century. We need to read the Bible each book at the time and stop taking verses out of context. The early church read each letter and book as a whole and not in bits and pieces.
Once Saved Always Saved ❤
No. If that were the case we can say we’re saved and continue to live in sin. That idea is a total mock of God
@@IkeyP58then they were not born again or they’re going through a learning lesson. A prodigal son is still a son
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. 1 John 3:9
@oceanmaster8580 then youre not saved. Hebrews 10:26 states that if we deliberately keep on sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth which is the Gospel, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins but a fearful expectation of judgment and a fury of fire would consume the adversaries
This is related to a Christian who backslide then return to Jesus
the story of Parable of two Sons.
Once is save is always saved
Repentance +faith+obedience +Jesus =Salvation
Disobedience what cause to lose Salvation.
How ever the salvation can still recieve the salvation its because there are still alive. While we are breathing there is still hope and Salvation
You can loose your salvation after you die without knowing Jesus.
Obedience, repentance and Faith on Jesus can lead to salvation.
A True Christian believer have a will to obey God and his words how many times he fall he will stand up repent and Fight again. keep the fight of good fight of good faith.
You can loose your salvation after you die without knowing Jesus and Living in a Sinful life style. We have hope while we are still alive Change your ways brothers and Sister do your best Get the Crown of life. Focus on Heavenly things not things of this Earth.
Pardon me for my English.
He, God holds onto us!!! 🙏 we were Sealed with the Holy Spirit. Key words in that is WERE SEALED. Who big enough to unseal us??? Nothing and Noone can separate us from the love of God through Chist Jesus. ❤
See to it that NO MAN loses his CROWN.
Well that’s another good point…”See to it..” 🤔 makes it seem like we can but see to it that you do your BEST to follow my commands and you won’t. Extremes 👀 🤦🏻♀️
I think we either don’t take scripture serious enough or we make it too difficult. I think the whole point was to do our best and KINDLY Correct each other while we teach each other THROUGH The Word IN THE HOLY SPIRIT. Period. 🤷♀️
Crown refers to eternal rewards, not salvation.
AMEN
I think the big stumbling block is that people believe we're forgiven temporally. What they don't understand is God poured out ALL His wrath for ALL our sins when Jesus was on the cross. That is why "there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus". We're only now realizing our sin, God dealt with it all at the cross.
The stumbling block was regarding the Pharisees believing they could earn their salvation by good works. If that were true, there would be no need for Christ to die on the cross. This is why Christ rebuked the Pharisees. They were caught up in their own self righteousness. They wanted to boast about their good works which made them closer to God rather than boasting in Christ work on the cross for righteousness.
@theothersideofthestory1594 my comment is in regards to current "christians" and why they believe you can lose your salvation, or rather why it's "Jesus + righteousness"
I lost the holyspirit three years ago. It is possible!!
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@Kemmy BW. Psalms 51:11
You never truly had it brethren
Praying that the Spirit of God is bestowed upon you and you are restored of everything you might have lost. In Jesus name 🙏
You never had him.
Voddie Buacham preaches 🔥🙏
He’s a Calvinist, he does not believe your salvation has anything to do with you. He thinks God chose you to be saved. He’s wrong
Place your trust in Christ’s Work
Do you know how many places in scripture where it says God chooses people?
Your wrong
Know your scripture. Holy KJV Ephesians 1
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
@@shkuyt986 That does speak that God has had it planned out for us, since the beginning.
Christ died for us, while we were yet sinners. 🎉
@@kaneTESP amen
Thankyou Jesus.
I just say this with love to my calvinist brothers. I don't agree on this topic with you. If you clearly read and study The Bible, there will be a great falling away. Those who turn away from the faith was initially saved if they don't Repent and come back to God they will not enter The Kingdom of Heaven. People please not only read your Bible but also study it. Have a blessed day.
Falling away = apostasy (deliberately becoming agnostic or atheist after once claiming to be a Christian.
I believe this is true as well. I think he’s preaching more about losing salvation due to sin, not falling away from the faith. I believe if you deny Christ and walk away you will lose your salvation.
Please read Ephesians 2:8-9 in context and also look into John 15
All he did was make a joke and not an actual point🤦
Saying that these people could be arrogant because they think they didn't break God's law because id thwy did they would know they are going to hell. I'm sorry, but atheist doesn't even know they are going to hell and need Jesus. There are sins that we commit without knowing, in fact pride is one of those sins that you can't see and the same as bitterness. They are prideful people and really need Jesus. That's a point not a joke. People weren't laughing in that clip at all because he is actually being serious, also listening to his tone in his voice, that's not a comedic tone.
No you’re the Aarogant ignorant person he’s speaking about
Never thought of it like this! Wow great explanation
This is blasphemy!!. And false teaching. Your salvation can be lost as fast as your got it. Your saying that once a person is saved they are perfect and how can someone be perfect in the flesh?. Only the spirit is perfect not the flesh. No wonder the Bible says that the righteous will scarcely be saved. Because of false teachings. And because it’s what ppl want to hear they love it with open arms.
That is not true what he is saying isn’t entirely correct but its not entirely wrong either we can’t lose are salvation by our sins but if we turn away and apostate then we can lose our salvation
@@Justice-j5k This is Jesus Christ speaking
“He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.”
Revelation 3:5
He said “ and I will not blot out his name from the blook of life” meaning his name was there before , but if he falls away the name will be blotted out . This is Jesus Christ speaking
Yes you can put yourself in a position to have lost the salvation that God has giving... because we are not perfect and the word speaks about many falling away from God
The point is everyday we put ourself in that position because we all sin…therefore if it were possible there would be no point in being saved in the first place .
No the arrogance is saying that you can’t fall away despite there being several warnings in scripture that you can. The arrogance to say “there is nothing that can cause me to fall out of the way of truth!” Is what is sending many people to hell.
Amen!
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end... ~ Hebrews 3:12--14
Brothers and sisters have faith in Jesus Christ repent of your sins, ask god for forgiveness,and be baptized in the Holy Spirit! May god bless you all, amen
Saved forever. Salvation in the OT and NT refers to far more than being saved by grace. Grasp that the problem goes away. But most won’t.
Could u explain some more ..
Who are we to boast the capacity to lose salvation? God's children! He gave us the feature, that free will, that image of Him. What none is taking into account is what salvation is, and even the wicked will be resurrected!
The only question would be when is someone saved so salvation can't be lost? As Paul wrote run the race to win. Jesus parable of the soil only the good soil plant made it. Matthew 13:20-21
If God 1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. What is really different in the soil. Did God make it so those in the bad soil can't be saved and only in good soil could?
If you believe you could lose it, did you even have the faith to truly receive it before. You have to have faith, nothing you can do or say because God knows our hearts and our thoughts! He also said that not everyone who call him Lord will be saved because He knew in their hearts they lacked the true faith to be saved!
I would say that it's pretty arrogant to think that you can't lose it.
If you are not born again, you can’t enter the Kingdom of God. To be born again is to spiritually die, to repent, let go of the past and be a new person which is like Christ.
Jesus was covered by the Holy Spirit through prayers and fasting.
No one can be born again without the Holy Spirit. 🙏🏻🕊️❤️
Amen to that!
I truly beleive what Jesus said. And hes the only one to follow. If we really trust what he said then we know salvation is given by our Lord n God. Still
Jesus determines the finality.
I believe as we've ("messed up",sinned),
In life after we were baptized, professed Jesus "our" savior it's his all to make our place of salvation.
I'll say this... its possible some may have went thru the motions but didnt
" really" believe, having reserved doubt.
I hope they wake to his everlasting promise.
The Bible teaches that God’s covenants are always conditional. The message is consistent that baptism is the beginning not the end. When Paul writes about salvation and heaven, it’s often followed by things like “if, we keep the faith” or “if, we continue in doing good”
You can’t get baptized then just live however you wish and expect heaven after you die. You must put on Christ and live for him. That doesn’t mean we have to be perfect, grace and mercy cover our mistakes and slip ups but we must repent when we sin and ever strive to be more Christ like if we want salvation.
Wow. Talk about confused to the max
@@brohuggie2978 why, cause you say so? Show me book, chapter, verse to support you can get baptized and then live a life absent God and expect salvation.
@@mattm4557
John 3:15-16
King James Version
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Friend Jesus just said to believe in Him, and we will have eternal life, which is eternal security in Him, very simple.
Now show me a place in the bible that one lost his salvation?
@@brohuggie2978 God showed several times in Old Testament that He reserves the right to strip a vow he’s made (it’s always a conditional covenant). Likewise, salvation can be lost if one doesn’t repent of sin and follow Christ’s teachings. Salvation is free by grace but living in faith (acting accordingly is required to maintain it). Here are a small sample of the many verses that demonstrate this.
Examples
1 Sam 2:30 Therefore the Lord, the God of Israel, declares: ‘I promised that members of your family would minister before me forever. But now the Lord declares: ‘Far be it from me! Those who honor me I will honor, but those who despised me will be disdained. (Eli’s sons were corrupt priests who fornicated and made a mockery of the priesthood).
Exo 32:9-10 9 “I have seen these people,” the Lord said to Moses, “and they are a stiff-necked people. 10 Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation.” (This is Israel (God’s chosen people after they made the gold cafe idol to worship and held an orgy while Moses was getting the 10 commandments).
John 14:21 Whoever has my commandments AND KEEPS THEM, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him."
John 15:5-6 “I am the vine; you are the branches. IF you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. IF you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
John 15:10 IF you keep my commands, you will REMAIN in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
James 5:19-20 My brothers and sisters, IF anyone among you strays from the truth and falls into error and another one turns him back to God, let the latter one know that the one who has turned a sinner from the error of his way will save that one's soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. (Here, we see saved people can be lost if they stray)
Rev 3:15 So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth (this is Jesus speaking to a congregation of Christians)
Ronans 2:7 To those who by PERSISTENCE in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.
(Romans was written to believers, to the Christians in Rome).
James 1:22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. (You deceive yourself if you think belief is enough, you must put your faith into practice by living as a disciple, writer goes on to say that even demons believe in God and Jesus - that alone won’t save you).
James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder.
Acts 2:37-38
When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.
(This is the beginning - repent and be baptized, and when you read the New Testament it’s very clear that maintaining that faith and salvation requires a life long commitment to serve the lord and live accordingly).
@@mattm4557
it is all work, work, work. and just taking your eyes off the cross of Christ, wow!
Full sermon?
Are we just pawns in God's big game of chess he plays agianst himself? Do we have free will? Is our love of God free or does he force some to love him while forcing others to stay away drom him? Once saved always saved is based more on a philosophy than scripture. People.need to understand this. " i drive my body and train it, for fear that, after having preached to others, i myself should be disqualified" ~ St. Paul 1st Corinthians 9
I have felt that way, sometimes. That all of this, is just a big drama. I even wrote a poem, about it in my book, almost 25 years ago, that this was all a play and the world, was the stage. But now, I also believed, that once you believed, and also accepts Jesus, for who he is and the works, that he did, by dying for my sins and also yours, and that in believing, you became saved, once and for all eternity. Not by our works, but his.
John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
That won't happen after the Son of God sets you free from the sins you once were lost in before you came to Him by God drawing you.
We are saved by faith, if you lose your faith you lose your salvation. Salvation is for the faithful Revelation 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus
That would mean, that you are saved by works, according to your logic. Which is also wrong. Only Jesus works, or righteousness, can save you. Not your works. Including, your faith. That also is works.
@@valerieguillaume52 stop building your doctrine around one misinterpreted verse.
yes you are not saved by works, but if works don't follow your so called faith, do you really have any? God knows the heart.
"To knowe Christ is to beleve in Christ. Ergo he that kepeth not the commaundementes / beleveth not in Christ." - William Tyndale
@@supersilverhazeroker Yes we are called to do good works but that is after God saves us by his grace and through faith in the finished and perfect work of Christ. (Ephesians 2:8). Our good works are like filthy rags on us in Gods eyes. Our works cannot save us! works is the outward evidence/fruit of the faith that is within us when we are justified through Christ Jesus! (John 10:27-29)
If you’re saying that we can lose our salvation then you’re saying that what Christ has done (his death and resurrection) was not enough! And when he said “it is finished” it really wasn’t? Do not be deceived! If one is saved by grace are they also not kept by grace? If you couldn’t save yourself what makes you think you can keep yourselves saved! (Galations 3:3)
Read last chapter revelation 22
Paul said there's no division in the body of Christ. If you believed in Jesus then you are a part of the body. Jesus can't lose any part of his body. If this were possible then the would be no body. You are eternally secure in Jesus! Praise God!
Hmmm this doctrine is dangerous, you can mess up your salvation we live day by day by God's Grace. emphasis is Day by Day
Lose a part of the body? you're taking it literally
@@olalekanaleem456 Then you're still under the law of Moses. You consider that the sacrifice of Jesus not good enough to have cleansed you and make you righteous in the eyes of God. Basically what you are saying is that you don't believe that Jesus cleansed you once and for all and you need to put in your own effort to be saved and enter eternal life.
Paul said if you're under the law of Moses you must follow all the law. He also said that those who follow the law will never be able to do everything it says and we fall short of God's glory. This is why Jesus died for us to fulfill the law and offer us his grace.
Think about these things for a moment.
@@olalekanaleem456 When you believe (put your faith/trust) in Jesus you become part of the body, meaning a part of Jesus.
Did you not receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?
@@Tupapito7140 how did you conclude that I don't believe "the sacrifice of Jesus not good enough to have cleansed you"?
Oh we "fumble feet" would've already lost it.. but we aren't the Author and Finisher of our faith.
Do you mean Salvation, which led to grace? Which the bible warns against using grace for lawlessness?
Philosophy here; Romans 11:21-23,”continue in His kindness or you too will be cut off”, read Heb. 3,6,13:4-5, then Deut 29-32, “will forsake” “never forsake”.
Salvation is a free gift to those who accept through believing in Christ and abstaining from sin through faith. So yes, you can loose your salvation. Remember, faith in Jesus without work is a dead faith. So we must work through faith to keep the gift of salvation. These types of teachings will lead many to hell.
My friend, the works is simply the evidence that proves you have salvation. “We will know them by their fruit”. Your works doesn’t save you. This was the same grave mistake the pharisees made. If we could earn salvation through works, their would be no need for Christ to die for sins, making his death a mockery.
Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- so that no one may boast”.
Therefore, if I am saved by my works, does that not give me something to boast about??? This would contradict scripture. Therefore we our saved by grace through faith, and our works is the proof/evidence that we have salvation. That’s why James says, faith without works is dead. Make sense?
@@theothersideofthestory1594 The work is faith in Jesus and doing his will. You and I both know what Jesus has commanded us to do and if we believe and follow him we will live with him in paradise. The death of Jesus paid for our sins. This is the grace the Bible is talking about. Remember, we were created perfect and then stained by sin. The lamb of God, Jesus, makes us prefect again in the eyes of God. Lastly, salvation is the reward the saints of God receive after we die or after he comes for following him. So you can not loose your salvation as long as you’re alive as it is a gift that can be accepted or rejected, it’s not forced upon anyone.
I have a question how does one saved always saved work when it comes to the mark of the beast when that time comes?? Because you can't get safe when you take the mark you will have to die for Christ or take the mark it will be a choice so can people that believe in once saved always saved that to me and don't tell me that this is different can Grace save you when you have the mark under your skin?
I truly don't understand this, could someone please clarify it for me?
If I a Born Again Christian, step out with a sub-machine "nug" and spray people in all directions, how would I not lose my salvation?