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Fun Gil fact: He has another weapon named after a Sumerian deity. The bow of the end, Enki. I believe his prototype counterpart actually uses it but it's an extremely powerful NP that can be a bow, twin swords or tonfas depending on what configuration he deploys them with. But for maximum devastation, it summons floods, but it needs to be deployed for seven days, after those seven days the flood turns into the surge of Utnapishtim. Just an interesting thing I found while doing extra research on Gilgamesh.
Utnapishtim as a servant when
the irony that his saber version actually uses a bow.
@@FTW1230 Proto Gill is still Archer class
Ea and Enki are actually the same god. Ea is his Babylonian name, while Enki is his Sumerian name.
Why are all of Gil’s weapons named after Akkadian deities when Gilgamesh is Sumerian?
Holmes's NP isn't related to him being smart, it's related to his Origin of "Eludiation", that's the tendency to uncover and unravel all secret and *Mystery* of the world, converting hidden fact to absolute truth. He was so good at this, that were he is at his best class of Caster, he would automatically unravel and dispell all the Mystery of the world, and heavily jeopardize the structure of the world itself. It make sense that he wouldn't be weak to Enuma Elish, because his very own nature itself can see through to the origin of the world, and is the testament of the human spirit of curiosity and discovery, and lighting out the darkness of the vast world around.
That sounds awesome, Holmes is truly an amazing character
Basically humanity's most powerful nerd was so OP that even the world had to shut him up
I think it's just his attribute is Star
@@grammarwuot5427 humanity's most powerful nerd bro. How can you say something so true yet also offensive
@@kyleroman2744 And his attribute is Star, *because* he is the representation of humanity's will to light the way, by unravel secret in the dark. It's those attribute that will someday lead humanity to the star.
Something that just occured to me... Romulus Quirinus' noble phantasm is essentially him creating an idealised world where everything and everyone is Roman.
Is his noble phantasm really just Unlimited Rome Works?
Unlimited Rome Works lmfao
@Part-Time Student of Sword Noobs
So. Unlimited Rome Works?
Yes
I am the Rome of my sword
And Bedivere is there because of his ability to keep a stiff upper lip; this level of loyalty and perserverence, both physical and mental, is something that cannot be replicated by any other being
He is, truly, Built Different™
As a side note, Weak to Enuma Elish isn’t actually a gameplay trait. Gil’s NP is programmed to do the bonus damage to every Servant and instead the game has a trait coded for Servants who aren’t weak to Enuma Elish. You can see this in pretty much every enemy not actually having the trait
Dang that is broken
Wait, really? I did some Overcharge 2 to some mobs before and it didn't proc the Bonus damage from Weak to Enuma Elish.
@@Urd-Vidan maybe he means that the normal damage already included that trait, instead enemy that does not have weak to EE are given damage reduction
@@Urd-Vidan because it only works on Servant
@Part-Time Student of Sword Noobs I rephrased it. Sorry, it was kinda weird wording on my part
Another important thing to note: ignoring the aliens, none of the Servants with the Star attribute are gods or demigods. The Star attribute is for those who have changed the course of human history, but only through human means (whether or not they actually existed or later became defied as a god/immortal). Because when you think about it, Gil himself in Fate lore changed the course of human history more than practically anyone else, due to him cementing the downfall of the age of gods. But he has the Sky attribute, because he is divine. (Though interestingly Casgil has the Man attribute, possibly as a reference to him sealing away Ea and rejecting his more heroic form in order to be a leader of men and a good king).
I think he acquired the human attribute after that snake incident, where he had the epiphany similar to Goetia
Not to mention that their Noble Phantasms are not those that came from Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon. Uomo Universale is originally an all-purpose, reflective type NP born from Da Vinci being the Universal Man who can do anything. Holmes' NP is liteally his ability to uncover all truths. System Keraunos is the sublimation of Tesla's works and deeds during his life.
In short, their NPs are from their legends which are not objects nor abilities from their stories. It's their self amalgamation kind of thingy.
@@Zyleace Of course he doesn't have those, those are to abilities of the Heroic Spirit that turned into an NP, but really Gil have many weapon he doesn't have in his GoB, especially in the Arthurian legend. He doesn't even have Vashavi Shakti cause it was not use in the epic.
Caster Gilgamesh has the Man attribute because it's the point in his life where he truly became a wise king of men, rather than a hero of legend. He is closer to humans than he was in his youth, and leads them with care, rather than being the larger than life hero to be idolized and held above men, like his Archer incarnation.
It doesn't have anything to do with him having less treasure in his vault, as that was only a thing during the Seventh Singularity, where he's actually alive and not a Servant yet. As a Servant, he technically has full access of the Gate of Babylon again, same as his Archer self as there isn't more than one, they're pulling from the same vault. He is simply more conscientious about his usage, unlike his Archer self who goes about firing his treasures with abandon.
Gil did change the course of human history but not because of the downfall of the Age of God. That blood on the White Titan's white hand.
He change it by robbed and seal off humanity intellect. So much that even 4000 years later, human still can't catch up to the craft of his age. Case in point: Vinama vs F15
Mozart being a 1-star servant and arguably one of the weakest casters in the game, yet he still is included in the super cool club makes me happy. I wish he had better animations because he deserves them. Imagine Gill walking up and realizing some random German musician is somehow immune to something even he is vulnerable to. He would flip out.
While he isnt that strong, Mozart isnt anywhere near one of weakest. Dude has 50 star bomb
@@StevoPL His skills are good, his everything else is weak
He may not be weak to it, but it'll definitely still kill him😂😭
@@StevoPL 50 star bomb and then Cheng bombs the enemies with him.
@@xolotltolox7626 wdym, thats 80% of what make a servant good or not
I imagine Romulus Qirinus is not counted as he is technically part Caligula, so his weak to enuma Elish might be tied to him instead of Romulus itself. Now for Holmes, it might be have some correlation to his spoiler from LB 6.5 maybe?
Romulus Quirinus ascended to godhood so that's probably the reason
Probably because he uses nine lives and Gil has the original of it
I was thinking the same thing about Holmes.
@@thereseavanastrea4662 Nine Lives is a technique, not a physical weapon. It cannot be simply stored in a vault.
Isn't it because he ascended to Godhood, becoming Divine and thus being included to the 3 forces Ea can touch: Heavens, Earth, Underworld? It's kinda also the reason why Shisou is Weak to Enuma Elish, cus she's from the Underworld, even though she's Star.
Isn't Enuma Elish said to "reveal the truth about genesis, and the world before creation"? So I think servants like Holmes(because of his intellect) and Oberon and Castoria with their Fae eyes that see the truth aren't weak to Enuma Elish because the already know "the Truth". I don't remember where I've heard this but always thought that was the explanation behind the Weak to Enuma Elish trait
So technically, if there is someone who is the embodiment of ignorance or someone who can distort the truth. They can avoid enuma elish?
@@feintfaint7213 I'm not sure about the ignorance but, I think If you really believe to know the "truth" with all your heart even if you're wrong It might be possible. Kinda like how Kiara became a Beast. Normally beasts are beings who love humanity in their own twisted ways, but Kiara only thinks of herself as the only "real human" so for us she would hate humanity as in all of human history but for her she loves all of humanity which in her eyes is only herself. So It seems like one's own mentality is more important than other's perception of the "the truth"
i don't think that the case with Castoria and Oberon, as Both Morgan and Habetrot also possess the same Fairy Eyes. Well a big spoiler for LB6 & 6.5 I guess
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Its revealed that Caster Artoria true nature is the new "Holy Sword born from the Planet", because of that I think that's explain it. For Oberon-Vortigern is really complicated, as he is Incarnation of Britain's Will but unlike PHH Vortigern, Instead its not even a real Britain at the first place (because LB6 Britain made from Cernunnos Corpse & Countless body of Dead Fairy).
For Holmes I think that's related to his Alien God Apostle status and like the other Apostle, looks like he is also made from composite of Deities/beings. My bet one of his composite parts is responsible for making him not vulnerable to Enuma Elish. But even after 6.5 end, his other components aren't revealed yet.
"reveal the truth about the Genesis and the world before creation" I think its about ea showing the truth of the world in its primordial state where life can't exist. I think the only immune to it is those who can survive in that place
The thing is, Castoria and Oberon are basically terminals for Gaia. That sword is meant to *predate* Gaia. It's something utterly alien to this world and its laws and enforces its own upon it by force the same way something like Type-Venus does. Which is why it tears down reality marbles. It reveals the truth of the world beyond the textures of Gaia and Alaya in basically the same way Slash Emperor reveals the real color of the sky in notes - by cutting through it.
In Fate Extella Gilgamesh stated, that the sword of Mars (Alteras sword) is alien technology and so he does not have even a prototype of it in his vault. But it is a different universe so maybe its unique to Extella? Or it could be an oversight.
It’s the same in other Fate world lines; the Velber have invaded the Earth twice and wiped out all civilization, the second time being when the Greek gods got killed.
The Extraverse only differs in that Mystery had weakened so much that magecraft was no longer possible. I dunno when this was, but it should be relatively “recent” in the timeline of human history. When magecraft became obsolete, the Moon Cell came and replaced Mystery with its cyberhacking stuff.
With Sherlock it might have something to do with his origin, the thing in the nasuverse where basically it influences you in your everyday life. Sherlock’s is Elucidation, which means to see through things clearly. Finding the truth. And since Enuma Elish is a weapon that basically strips the world of it’s “Facade” and makes it see the “Truth”. And since Sherlock’s entire thing is about finding the truth, and his origin is about seeing things clearly, he doesn’t have that weak to Enuma Elish trait. That is my theory.
Here’s a spoiler that is probably the explanation here:
Our Sherlock was actually summoned by the Alien God. That’s why he’s a Ruler too. That makes him an existence outside the bounds of Earth.
Note: Gil can only copy and use physical noble phantasms, he can't copy conceptual or skill based ones. Also worth noting, he isn't necessarily skilled in their use, for example, well he might have the exact same Gae Bolg as Cu, he doesn't have the same training with it. That's that's why you always see him just throwing them out of the gate of Babylon instead of fighting with them properly.
Edit: also I'm pretty sure that Enuma Elish is tied to Ea not gate of Babylon considering that Gil's child form uses the gate as his Noble Phantasm and it doesn't apply weak to Enuma Elish.
Gil is very skilled in hand to hand combat so much so he didn't even need to throw his weapons this playstyle came to be from Enkidu and how he decided to fight him not because he is bad at hand to hand in fact he is one of the best when it comes down to it
It's not a matter of whether the NP is physical, but more whether it was actually possessed by the Heroic Spirit in life, or something they got as they became Heroic Spirits, their legend taking form afterwards. Which explains why the likes of God Hand and Legend of Dracula aren't stored in GoB, because the Heroic Spirit didn't have it in life, rather it is the cristallisation of that very life.
Doesn't help that Gae Bolg, the conceptual stab and the anti-army throw, are not actually functions of the spear, but skills Cu created, as show that Scathach herself has to restrain the target first before she does her spear throw
Gil doesnt copy, he has the original versions of those NP`s as he is the "king of heroes" those prototypes have their own versions of abilities and that is shown many time throughout fate.
Gil isnt a master of any perticular weapon no, but he is far from being bad at using them in hand, this is proven by the fact that he not only was able to duel saber in the original VN, but that he also literally knocked her down on her knees with just the use of 2 of his weapons in hand.
People like to make the argument that GIl is shit at combat just to make his fight with Shirou make more sense, but this is literally not true, not only lore wise but its also inconsistent with what Nasu himself previously wrote
@@ash8329 supposedly, Gil's mastered weapon is the axe, kinda explains why he has one in Caster form
Thank you again for another video on explaining unique concepts within the Fate, Mr. Klidge.
By the way, I believe the reason that Romulus=Quirinus and Saber Altera are more easily affected by Enuma Elish than their counter versions is because they're more in tune with their Godly divinity.
Gilgamesh, as you have stated in this video, is able to take down the most gods because of his ability to not only use their weapons and Noble phantasms but also cataract them. As such, it's reasonable to believe that he is able to counteract most Gods' abilities and the concepts that they invoke.
Romulus=Quirinus is the form that great founder of Rome would have if he had fully embraced his Divine bloodline that he inherited from his war god father. Whereas Lancer Romulus is human side of him that founded the great Empire Rome without using any ounce of divine blood.
As such, the side of him that fully embraces his divine lineage from his war god daddy is what makes him more vulnerable to Enuma Elish as it puts them in the realm of godhood.
As for Saber Altera, she's literally the embodiment of destruction, the Ender of civilization. Due to this fact, one could say she embodies the concept of war and destruction, which would earn her the title of a god. As for why her Santa form makes her an exception, it is because in her Santa form she is not the bringer of Destruction but the messenger of joy and gift. Santa Claus is not a warrior but a bringer of joy and happiness. As such, it's unlikely that Gilgamesh would have any type of weapon that would be associated with Saint Nicholas inside his vault.
Also out of all the other Santa servant, Santa Altera uses a weapon that is not from this Earth or the realm of the Gods. Her weapon comes from the Stars. Therefore, it would be out of Gilgamesh's range and he would not have a copy of said weapon inside his treasure vault.
Anyway, these are just my hypothesis. I could be wrong.
Anyway thank you for another great video. If by any chance you're looking for another topic to make a Content video of, can you do one on Mystic Eyes and how one obtains some outside of inheriting them? Pretty please.
Also take care and good luck with your job.
so as i understand it the three oddballs would probably be as following:
-melusine: her noble phantasm hollow heart albion: known by no one; innocent heartbeat at least to some extent is her using a hole to a different dimension as well as the fact her body would technically be the land of britain not an item or ability to be used in the main timeline
-castoria: her noble phantasm is he mental space made manifest by way similar to a reality marble but its fully formed into reality instead of in a pocket space or its also the fact that in some form she becomes part or a proxy form of the counter force
-oberon: his is really weird for both as its either his first np which takes the individual outside the realm of the waking and into the dream worlds where they cant interact with the waking world or its his 3rd np where he is just straight up a black hole
My guess as to why Sherlock Holmes isn't weak to Enuma Elish is because Ea is supposedly incomprehensible by design (think back to Shirou unable to trace it at all), which means comprehending it is kind of like a really elaborate mind puzzle. But Holmes, being history's greatest detective, is able to figure out what makes Ea tick. He comprehends it, it's not an enigms to him like it is to most.
Also as to why Romulus isn't weak but Romulus-Quirinus is because RQ is fused with a god and Romulus isn't, and Gilgamesh striking any gods with Ea is a loud delcaration of the gods no longer having use in humanity. Romulus fusing with Quirinus is like a step back to Enuma Elish's symbol of breaking away from the gods. It's like striking at the very conception of allying with the gods.
Itd be pretty interesting to see Holmes just comprehend Ea's existence and then leave Gil speechless with whatever the fuck just happened lmao
I though Enuma Elish wasnt just a physical attack, it has a mental component to it, EE shows to those that are attacked the "truth" of the world before Genesis, is kinda like a hellish landscape, the only servants that dont have this weak to EE are the ones that can resist this mental component, mostly those with foreign intelligence to earth and people that mental faculties let them see beyond it.
And those who can attack that distortion?
nah, that it's not mental but conceptual, it ripped apart the texture of the world to show the "truth"
Mental effect is weird fanon because some people like to focus on the flowery description of Enuma Elish and not realize that what it actually does is reveal the primordial form of the Earth by means of wind that rends space apart.
In simple terms, Ea is a miniature blackhole.
@@shiki-1275 I agree with you with the mental effect as fanon, though instead of a calling it black hole, it's more to closer to a vacuum
There is a problem gil is not the first hero the first hero is Utnapishtim and he appears in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Gil goes visit the first hero to ask him how he got his immortality
and even that isn't the first hero as, cultures have existed before Mesopotamia with their own heros but enuma elish is the only physical story we have where as the others were simply written much later on and was passed vocally
@@jeanniemaycrawford4466 and even if they were written later, technically a good chunk of the Indian epics take place temporally before Gilgamesh's time
Well, this was based on the oldest epic known to man, and it seems the timeline of Fate doesn't follow the original Indian epic
He's the first hero as in he's the protagonist of the earliest discovered story.
So, if we find archaeological evidence of a heroic story that predates Gilgamesh, what happens to his power?
5:17 the sliver thrown away his godhood while the 5 star one didn’t
3:40 Why would them inventing it make Gilgamesh not have it? The gate of babylon is supposed to have all of mankind’s treasures so why wouldn’t it contain their inventions?
Maybe the reason why old da Vinci is weak to it but loli Vinci isn't is that loli Vinci is a creation made by old da Vinci
Meaning gilgamesh wouldnt known anything about them and their power
Wow Klidge, look at you have so many comments. I remember the days when you only had a handful.
I don’t mean this in a bad way, either. You deserve all the love and appreciation you get. Plus, I had some fun reading all these comments.
Good work on today’s video, and I can’t wait for the Brynhildr’s Beloved episode.
Yo Klidge just wanna shout you out for making hella unique content, it's the type of intrigue you can only find here
What I don't get was he so smug calling us mongrels when he's literally crossbreed Priscilla
He is a unique existence. One created by both gods and humans to guide humanity on the proper path as the Keystone of Heaven during the end of the Age of Gods when the gods were preparing to depart to the reverse side of the world. He is one who is two-thirds god and one-third human, which is something only he can claim because the gods can't do math apparently, so he sees himself as a more complete existence than those who came before and after due to his unique trait to see the world as both a mortal like those he was entrusted to preside over and a divinity like those who gave him this task.
Or he just has a massive ego from being raised with the expectation that he would be king. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" and all that.
7:56 the Staff of Selection is one of those reasons she exists here
Can you do a video talking about all the versions of artoria and how they fit (or not) into the Arthurian legend?
You kinda answered your own question there chief
There’s a pretty good reason why Romulus=Quirinus (Quirinus) is weak to Enuma Elish and normal Romulus is not. Simply put, the two versions embody two different concepts. Normal Romulus embodies the nation-building aspect of Rome and the foundations of all Western civilizations, both culminating in his NP Magna Voluisse. Quirinus, on the other hand embodies humanity’s determination and potential to reach beyond the stars, symbolized by Rome. Quirinus says that he lacks the spear of nation-building his counterpart has because he himself does not embody Roman civilization but rather the potential of human civilization using Rome as a proxy for that ideal. Quirinus does not embody the king that paved a new path for humanity. Rather, he is the symbol of humanity tearing their own path through hardship and into the stars.
Can't wait till you cover Bryn Hilda's beloved trait! Always been curious about that one
If the trait of "Weak to Enuma Elish" is because Gilgamesh possesses the prototype of all the NPs, how come Sasaki Kojirou is weak to Enuma Elish if he doesn't technically possess a Noble Phantasm, it's just his signature move that he has mastered?
Same with Li Shuwen.
I guess it is because for Kojiro, his technique uses a sword as part of the attack, one that could have had a prototype in Gilgamesh's vault.
As for Li Shuwen, his martial art of Bajiquan is sometimes practiced by learning spear drills as apparently the movements of the style are inspired by spear combat. Considering his younger version uses a spear, one that could have had its prototype in the vault, Gilgamesh could see the fighting style and see its similarities to spear combat. This is merely hypothetical though as if you actually see Bajiquan in an MMA situation it more or less looks like Sanda or kickboxing rather than mimicking the movements of a spear.
Gilgamesh has the prototypes of almost all of the Noble Phantasms, save for divine/alien/etc. constructs. He doesn't have everything, though. For instance, he has the prototype of Gae Bolg, but not Excalibur.
Thank you! He only has the prototypes to phantasms and things from humans. The only divine things he has are enkidu and Ea
@@klove5974 also Ig-Alima and Sul-Sagana (only reason Miyuverse Shirou manages to copy them is because world is broken+fueled by a Grail+Direct influence from Counter Gardian EMIYA through the card+ Copy is completely hollow inside), and i think theres yet one or two others, not sure havent seen all there is about Gil
I think the 3 fae have it for a different reason. They are all “false” to some degree. Oberon most straight forward is a pretender who was thought to be a ruler, mulusine has the ability to switch between vastly different noble phantasms at will, and castoria isn’t actually Artoria but that’s spoilers. In that sense Sherlock also fits into this because spoilers. So maybe the ability to present a false version of yourself or noble phantasm prevents gil from properly countering it
About Sherlock- the reason why he has star attributes actually
probably has to do with 6.5 spoilers, I won't go into detail, if you know you know. I just think they've been planning a lot for him since the beginning. Especially with his general silhouette looking so similar to the Foreigner card.
I was scrolling through hoping to find this. I totally agree that it has to do with Lostbelt 6.5.
Awesome content!
I have an idea, a game where they guess which servant falls under a certain type, trait, or attribute.
Example: Which of these is not Weak to Enuma Elish?
A. Gilgamesh
B. King Hassan
C. Zeus
D. Abigail Williams
I kinda wish the devs would buff Gil to make his Weak to Enuma more unique. Like imagine if his his Charisma allowed him go forcibly apply a damage buff to Servants weak to Enuma Elish.
As for the gameplay side of this, I think it's interesting that developers did this cause realistically how would you make Gilgamesh have advantage against most Servants. I think it's a good idea but a weird one.
A suggestion I have for a fun Fate topic would be your thoughts on the Mooncell. Not necessarily focused on Extella but also Extra and CCC.
They should pay you for doing their job.
Gil should have imperial Privilege
@@durrangodsgrief6503 lore wise i do agree with you (as we can see he has many unlisted skills on the Babylonia anime) but game play wise no unless it's a special variant of it replacing either charisma or golden rule
@@tatari3777 it should replace his Charisma skill since Privilege has Charisma but di you think he would seal his Divinity like romulus
@@durrangodsgrief65031. rather than sealing his divinity, it ranked down from A+ to B due to his circumstances with the gods. 2. Normal Imperial privilege can't buff party like the normal charisma did.
I'm still surprised I pulled Castoria with a single summon ticket.
I'm happy you talked about Kara no Kyoukai servants, for me when you said they aren't affected by Enuma Elish because their from an alternate universe. I thought to myself, yeah their from a different anime😆
I fucking love Holmes, like the guy's noble phantasm is just him being like "Hmmm, yes yes. Indeed"
I finally know what these traits mean and it was hella interesting. Thanks my dude
Fun Fact I learned a while ago: Artoria is related to Artemis and Alto(Idk who this God is) and has providence over the night, this was first revealed in Fate/Extra and has never been mentioned once. Klidge could you do a video expanding on this topic and if Arthur/Artoria was actually related to Artemis in some versions of Arthurian Legend.
Yeah you did it thank you so much!
i came in confused, and walked out more confused. guess thats what i get for still being new to fate, lmfao
I still have so many questions…
You pointed out that Da Vinci (Caster) should not be “weak to Ea” because she invented her NP, what about Odysseus who invented to Trojan horse?
Gil doesn’t have (proto-)Divine Constructs in the gate, right, then Achilles & Artoria (All) should also be exempt, Right?
What about medea, who’s rule breaker is a manifestation of her being the “Witch of Betrayal” and wasn’t something she had in life?
Or Circe & Emyia (assassin) who’s NP are straight up personal Magecraft?
What about body augmentation NP’s like Berserker Lansalot & Heracles
Or weapon techniques, like Izo, Okita, Regend, and Herc (again)
There are so many servants who just don’t have weapon based NP’s that Gil shouldn’t have and therefor shouldn’t be “Weak to Ea”.
@Judge Alan
According to the FGO Babylonia Anime. Gil does appear to have his own version or Medea’s Rule Breaker. As he hands a wonky looking Dagger to Ritsuka which from memory he uses to stab Tiamat.
Now it’s not directly stated to be a proto Rule breaker and it is anime only. But it does have rule breakers general shape.
Rule breaker started out as a ceremonial dagger that as you said got it’s abilities due to Medea’s history and life.
So in theory Gil COULD have a similar ceremonial dagger with any properties that it naturally possessed. And Medea’s would be a slightly different version, making Gil’s the “prototype”.
But as you said Medea’s rule breaker got it’s abilities because it apparently “conceptualises her life as the witch Medea”. So it wouldn’t make sense for Gil’s version to have the same abilities.
Yet it appeared to have just that based on what’s shown in the anime, which doesn’t really make sense.
Or again Gil having that dagger is anime only and so could be just “non-canon” nonsense implemented by those who adapted the anime and didn’t realise that he shouldn’t have it and if he does it shouldn’t have the same effects.
Ea, or Enki, was Gilgamesh's personal patron god as depicted in the Epic of Gilgamesh. It's a part of a running theme of Gilgamesh naming his most powerful armaments after those he respects. The other two being Merodach (Named after Marduk) - the sword that serves as the basis of all Holy Swords of Selection - and the chains of heaven Enkidu. Ea I'm 90% sure is the reason why Gilgamesh is Archer. Gil-Prototype wields the early concept of the weapon in the form of Enki, a world destroying bow that brings about the flood that wiped away humanity. But even further back in its inspiration, in the Enuma Elish the weapon used to split Tiamat's body whose halves would be used to fashion Heaven and Earth was the bow of Marduk. Gilgamesh gives a little reenactment of this feat in Babylonia. Using Ea to give the killing blow to Tiamat.
He has all man made noble phantasms not all noble phantasm
Common misconception
Just like shiro being only being able to make swords no he can make anything with a blade and shield
^^^^
This also explains why he does NOT have stuff like Avalon and Excalibur, and with that downside he shouldn't possess Rhongomyniad aswell
Iirc typemoon/nasu has mentioned the main difference between tsukihime and fate and the reason servants arent normally summonable in the tsukihime timeline is because the human order is weaker there. Servants dont have enough belief to have the kinda power they do in fate. Assuming KnK is similar to Tsukihime, Gil not being effective against them makes sense because the fabric of their reality doesnt support him as much as it does in his home turf.
Dont ask me for a source, i read in a forum with translators ages ago.
this is basically the "Except Frog The Jam" but with FGO instead of Yugioh
I always found these passive traits so interesting, while brynhildr beloved I'm more excited to see these little flavor texts really adds a nice little more you know to a servant
Just to clarify though, because there are some nutty butters who might use it as a point of contention: Not being weak to enuma doesn't mean it can't or won't fucking hurt someone. It has a conceptual side effect, but it's actual damage is very much physical, both from a gameplay and story perspective.
The other reason you should have quoted about Gilgamesh and why his gate of Babylon has all those treasures is because most heroic stories of other Heroes have and take pieces of reference from Gilgamesh’s stories, this would always allow his gate to have their weapons because he is also part of their legend as he is part of theirs
While the theory most people in the comments have about Holmes being tied to his Origin of Elucidation, which makes sense, it could maybe also be linked to his tie with Beast VII. Just a theory tho.
Its probably the sheep for altera santa lmao
Huh, I guess they sorta, in a way, teased Sherlock's true reason for manifesting as a heroic spirit with the star attribute. He is truly of the star attribute due to how he was a apostle of the foreign God the whole time.
The form and function of Divine spirits is based off of human desire combined with the aspects of the natural world which those spirits represent. Thus their nature is still based off of the textures of this reality, making them susceptible to Enuma Elish. I imagine that the Greek Gods, in their original mecha bodies were not affected by Enuma Elish, but after they lost their bodies and became divine spirits, then their nature became based on the textures of this reality.
Abigail Williams is likely a reverse case, where her initial nature was as a human girl, until she eventually transcended this nature and became an eldritch entity. If we were to meet her when she was fully transformed into Yog Sothoth, she would likely not be weak to Enuma Elish, but since the version we know is based on the form of a human girl from history, then her nature isn't sufficiently different enough to transcend reality's textures.
The Garden of Sinners and LB6 ones are weird, but it's possible that they are from an alternate universe and have no analogue in the universe that our version of Gil is from. So, someone like Prisma Illya, even though she's from an alternate universe, still shares a form with someone from the FGO universe (Illya once lived in the FGO world as confirmed by Sitonai). But the KnK and LB6 characters may not have equivalent versions in this world outside of their Chaldea Servant forms.
So by this logic Gramps is weak to enuma elish bc Gil wandered underworld and conqured death.?
Haven't seen it in the comments yet, but the Saber Altera is not in the list bc Saber Altera is not the Alien/Titan Altera, she is a terminal (or incarnation) of the Titan, the one that actually became Atilla the Hun. Santa Altera is closer to her original self, due to the way her Spirit Origin has been modified.
Since we’re on the topic of Gilgamish, why not do a video on who could theoretically defeat him.
There’s only one fate channel i saw that talked about this and even then they didn’t take it that seriously (not to mention it’s very out of date)
I think it can make for a really fun conversation
You can visit guess who channel to see who beats gilgamesh
@@user-vg9gl3il7f Yes but like i said, by now it’s very out dated and while i like the video they clearly didn’t do enough research on it.
Here at least i can get a thorough explanation on it
anyone in the right circumstances can defeat him
@@jeanniemaycrawford4466 we’re not talking about a hypothetical situation, what talking about what information we have currently about how servants work and where the power ceiling lies
Tsiah did a don't sleep on Gilgamesh video. He goes over everything. And it dropped like a week ago it's the most up to date on Gil feats and limits
I'm not sure if I am remembering this correctly, but there may be something to those few who succeeded in creating a better noble phantasm than the prototype. I think Emiya says to Cu that Gae Bolg is stronger than Gungnir, so Scathach may go in the category of surpassing the original. This could also be an anime/dub only throwaway line though.
I had always understood, from one of the VN's I think, that Enuma Elish's power was that it "reveals a truth of the world." EA is engraved with the stories of Bablyon, IIRC, and Enuma Elish is witnessing the split of heaven and earth. It's an attack that, therefore, deal more damage to those who either don't understand that or are affected by it. The reason the inventors are passed is that they know, and Holmes fits in this category too. You reach a state of enlightenment about the world where Enuma Elish is no longer REVEALING to you a truth, or you possess a truth of your own that's equal to it. The aliens are immune because what does the "truth" of this world mean to them? It's inconsequential to someone like Altera, who is the avatar of the white titan? So, ultimately, it just becomes a case of "Fate writers can randomly make someone not weak to Enuma Elish by saying they know things or have their own truth that counter acts it."
i think for altera since (at least in extella) altera the saber form aka hero is a somewhat separate entity from the titan altera as she manifest and experience life on earth as one of its inhabitant as for the sword, as betweener for men and god, gilgamesh knows of the white titan and aware of the sword of mars which is probably the reason why she is weak to enuma elish.
and for the santa version that make me think that the christmas power is an otherworldy power (idk maybe santa is an alien in fate?) also i see some things her profile that makes me think she is closer to the white titan, like her personality is more softer which makes her doesnt have the trait, but idk about that since her lacks of expressiveness makes me believe she is hero altera
Ea's special ability is to strip away the textures of reality to 'reveal the truth of things.' So the Servants that are not bound by the textures of reality, either because they were never a part of it the first place like MHX or because they helped transcend those textures like Tesla, are not going to be effected by Ea's special effect. Although they will still be hurt by the actual energy wave that Ea shoots out.
Seems far fetched, weak to enuma is simply acompromise of how to show the "servant killer" aspect of Gil ingame since he cant do the things he does ingame. Ea in lore just doesnt care about attributes. You either have defenses or your dead
This is literally fanon, Weak to Enuma Elish isn't a trait that actually exists.
And we know its not limited to affecting Earth when it works in the Moon Cell just fine.
@@shiki-1275 Enuma Elish 'reveals the truth of things' and the Moon Cell is entirely artificial, so it makes sense that it would be more effective in that environment than in reality.
@Unranked Chevron no it doesn't, Ea isn't some conceptual effect that reveals the truth of things. It shows "the truth" of the planet because rending space causes textures to collapse and reveal the primordial form of the planet underneath.
If this is an ability strictly limited to the Earth, it would be flat-out unusable outside it. But its not.
Have you done a video on Conceptual Weaknesses? I always wondered if this was integrated in the game, and still confused about what this concept is.
i wonder why dante's has the trait considering his thing is breaking out of stuff
The whole Kara no Kyoukai thing makes sense on its own merits without needing to resort to the 'alternate universe' thing (especially because it's not clear that they actually *are* a separate branch of the multiverse from Fate, since Touko is involved in the ending of Heaven's Feel and there really isn't any reason to artificially separate them the way Nasu has decided to do in recent years with Tsukihime. That separation with tsukihime is actually an argument for Shirou Emiya and Shiki Ryougi existing in the same world, too, since according to nasu, the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception are something only one person can have at a time, so Kara no Kyoukai can't be in the tsukihime side of the multiverse.
Realistically, though, the reason why Gil would be unable to counter her is that her abilities are something that have only ever existed once and border on True Magic. He's never seen them before and it's possible even his third noble phantasm can't quite work out what he's seeing. It's entirely possible that she could *kill* Enuma Elish - like, the attack itself, as it's about to hit her.
I heard before that the more a Servant became more close to divine being such as how did Grand Romulos become when his gender became a genderless the more prone he or she to enuma elish xD
Can you please make either a Castoria or Oberon (both/either version of him in Fate) video in honor of NA's 5th anniversary?
I just realized, if Gilgamesh has a copy of every noble phantasm of servants weak to Enuma Elish, that presumably includes Billy the Kid, so Gil has just had a six shot revolver in his treasury millennia before firearms were even invented, or if you take the view that the phantasm is Billy’s shooting skills and not the gun itself, then Gil had had the skill to wield a weapon that wouldn’t be invented for millennia.
No his isn’t a copy
It’s the original of every weapon
The np servants possess are the copies
The altera thing might be because the saber altera isn't the actual white giant, and while I can't say that altera Santa IS I can say it uses a version of tear drop photon ray that only the proper altera can use
LB6 Spoilers Ahead
The Castoria we summon is not the same as the fairy girl we travel with in LB6. Rather, it's an auxiliary anthropic principle (whatever that means) left behind by the original Castoria before she went to her eternal rest in Avalon. Kind of sad, tbh, she lived a really shitty life and was really only happy for one day.
Damn.
Gilgamesh have achieved breaking through space as explained in the 5 star craft essence which have his pictures but this is in the future
why does the riyo art gilgmesh looks like he has multiple gun barrels
TL;DR: the trait is actually tied to GoB lorewise, but applied to Ea instead for game balance. Since GoB holds templates for most legendary artifacts, and because of the commonality of "X-Slayer stories", Gil theoretically has access to any kryptonite factor under the sun
JP lore holmie makes absolute sense in the simplest way
I expect Gilgamesh himself to like this video on teaching on his lore.
What about Bedivere? His noble phantasm is just Excalibur turned into a prosthetic silver arm by Merlin and Artoria is WTEE so doesn't it make him too?
Bediveres goes even deeper because he has the star attribute as well. If I had to guess, the reason he is still weak to it is that his NP originates from something that once belonged to Gil, even if it’s taken a new form.
I want to point out with Melusine as well as the other Tam Lin. They do not possess lostbelt versions of the the Round Table's weapons. They are mere imitations created from their own power. Barghest with her horn and Melu with her own mana.
I like to think Gilgamesh just throws the battle when against Castoria, in the hope that she falls for him.
I was hoping for a least a passing reference why Enkidu has a noble phantasm called Enuma Elish.
Yes, my favorite!
Weak to Enuma Relish.
Odd, I was just involved in a conversation on FB about this yesterday🤔
But, Enki/Ea are also the god of Wisdom which is why he named it Ea. He say it contains true knowledge.
Side note, I'm pretty sure KnK takes place in FGOs timeline. As Shiki helps us to protect her Daughter from Goetia's incineration.
"he had the prototypes of all of the noble phantasm's"
Muramasa: lol no
I feel like counter guardians would also be exempt from weak to enuma elish since they are a product of the counter force, unless gilgamesh somehow possessed the counter force at some point in his life but idk.
As I heard, in our universe Altria can manifest in all classes except Caster class, so Castoria not being weak to Enuma Elish can be explained by that
I'd like your explanation on what power does Arjuna alter have exactly? Is he as powerful as true gods like Zeus or is he somewhat mid?
I'm curius if Sherlock would have been Weak to Enuma Elish if he wasn't summoned as a Ruler by
A bit of spoilers regarding Oberon
I think in the case of Oberon, his noble phantasm is more of a conceptual manifestation of his legend with Vortigern rather than something you can possess. In LB6, it was mentioned that the reason for Oberon-Vortigern’s being in LB6 is to essentially be a doomsday device. We could confirm this by Oberon’s actions and his dialogue with the player after he swallows up everything in the lostbelt, himself included. Lie Like Vortigern isn’t something Gil can copy as such since the embodiment of that phantasm is 1, a concept more than tangible weapon like Caliburn or Durandel, and 2, the phantasm embodies a self-destructive trait in which the user consumes everything including themselves. In terms of gameplay-wise, Oberon (stage3 ver.) turns himself into the Abyssal Worm for his NP animation, but lore-wise he and it were shown to be both present at once as if they are different entities, rather than the same being, which I do find odd. But other than that, I don’t really see any explanation for how he’s unaffected by Weak to Enuma Elish.
Spoiler;
Castoria created her NP through Muramasa in LB6 as she is a template for a Divine Construct and created Excalibur because Excalibur didn't exist yet in that timeline, but Castoria gave Chaldea The Excalibur recipe and she made Excalibur her magecraft. Any questions?
I always wonder why edison is not a star servant with how much he did for humanity
It's because Edison is... for lack of a better term, a Mess.
Wait, if he collected all then that means he collected caliburn, the sword of the stone
Not a throwaway line but its a consummate fact that Mozart is a demon god host, it happened in the Sallieri interlude.
Hmm i got an idea of a video what about a video about charlemagne?
Saying “Weak to Enuma Eilish” is like saying that humans are “Weak to Nukes” or “Weak to Death”
about the sherlock np, are you saying that Gilgamesh is dumb, because that is were my mind went
I thought that Enuma Elish is not only a rampage of extremely violent wind that destroy everything in its wake, but also a surge of knowledge and wisdom, so when it crashes on someone, they not only are damage physically, but also spiritually? That's also some star servants have no Weak to Enuma Elish trait; they seen it all, so their soul can handle the overload of information from Enuma Elish in some degree.
I would think that the counter guardians would also be included in “not weak to Enuma Elish” as the EMIYA’s dont really have noble phantasms lore wise, I don’t k one about okita though
I think because they're ultimately lesser Servants compared to Heroic Spirits they are automatically weaker.
This is purely conjecture but i suspect that the reason Saber Altera is weak to enuma elish is based on her being the version of Altera that's only function is to be a heroic spirit, its basically not her real body just a heroic spirit meant solely to exist on earth that's stronger than most others. Whereas archer Alterea seems to be a version of titan Altera from extella based purely on her personality and way of speaking being very similar to the titan altera as opposed to her heroic spirit saber form. so archer Altera might be closer to the manifestation of her real body or something.
ah yes gilgamesh is weak to gilgamesh what type of guy would he be if he wasnt
Melusine tagged as Banana
I’m not sure about this but didn’t Gil only have mortal weapons and not divine ones in his vault with the exception of ones he put there himself like ea and the chains of heaven
Extremely Random & Very not really needed to be answered, but just my Curiosity going wild but. Could a Gudōdama [Truth Seeking Orbs] from Naruto, or a Naruto with a Rinne-Sharingan, all 9 Bijū's within him, have the 6 Path Sage Mode [own Natural Energy like owns Chakra], & on his Bijū Chakra Cloak Mode, with Sage Mode [Collecting Natural Energy], could defeat a 7 Servant - Class Cards [Archer, Saber, Caster, Assassin, Berserker, Rider, & Lancer] Fusion Gilgamesh?
So is it that the special attack buff isn't activated with Enkidu's Enuma Elish?