*”Can’t blame Ohtani for being stranded on the Angels”* Okay, but he did sign an extension with the Angels a couple years ago even though he had no real incentive to do so.
@@The_Zilli It is a big deal, you spend less time working on your physique and focus on hitting. and the recovery aspect would be top notch too. Don't ever make PED's not a big deal, because it is a big deal.
The long haul is essential when we're talking about who the all time great is. Ohtani may well be the GOAT once the career is finished circa 2035, but that remains to be seen.
@@nickthomas6827 I get the logic of looking at the entire arc of a career, but on the other hand, if there comes an athlete that surpasses all others that have come before by achieving a feat once thought impossible, then do we withhold our decision of who is the greatest until their career is over? Let's look at sprinters for example. At the 100m contest, Bolt became the GOAT when he ran 9.58. End of story. No rational person would propose we should all wait to see what else he accomplishes before coming to a decision. Same is true in many other forms of sport that is not purely time/speed based. Now, baseball is artfully more dynamic and the performances of each athlete is challenging to decode. Add to the mix that it is a team sport and arriving at a consensus about who is the GOAT will rely upon smarter folks than me. However, if one of baseball's most coveted statistic was the 40/40 club, how significant should be weigh the achievement of a player that achieves 50+/50+? Statistically, this is in another league. Even novices like me know that there are so many interesting and valid ways to dimensionalize a player's talents/achievements, but if hitting and running are critical foundational skills that define a player's caliber, then what Ohtani did in 2024 should already catapult him to the top of many lists. If that is not convincing enough, Ohtani has the potential to win the Cy Young. Clemens, I believe, has the most, but just even being a contender while hitting bombs and stealing bases is just unheard of. There have been so many great athletes in baseball. One of my favorites was Bo Jackson. Wow, he had presence and everyone could just see that he was special -- because he did things that were spectacular. If Bo remained healthy and went on to have a storied career by becoming a member of the 40/40 and contending for the Cy Young, then I may just have to change my vote. But I can't, because there is an athlete that has done it for real. Ohtani already stands above everyone else. Show me another player with similar stats in all three dimensions -- hitting, stealing and pitching. How can any reasonable person assert a valid comparison with someone that does not have credible stats in all three dimensions like Ohtani?
Yeah because you’re putting him in todays league without giving him the modern training and technology that modern players benefit from. Of course he wouldn’t look good. If Shohei ohtani was born in the 1890s he would look very different than today
@@brandonneumann5294 I know. I get I'm not being fair and Ruth is still the GOAT but he did only play against white Americans and I still believe Ohtani is the best talent ever.
@@brandonneumann5294 even with modern day training, his chance of making to the major league is very slim. He play in a era with very small talent pool. Thats like a high school player dominating their region, it doesn't mean much. Ohtani is the real goat.
Then pretty much all modern athletes are out of the conversation, btw, because you will not find a single clean athlete in any sport these days. Plenty pass the tests. But these are In tests, not drug tests. Anyone with a sixth grade education and a calculator can pass them every single time
WS titles is a team measure not a single players (goat) accomplishment. An elite pitcher takes a season off to nurse an injury and casually destroys elite hitters records... Even with Judge and Bonds pitchers have the option to walk them. They CAN'T do that with Shohei because he will steal and get into scoring position for Mookie and Freddie. Its literally lose/lose for opponents. Then you have Shohei striking out 2022 Houston Astros on the mound and hitting bombs against them at the plate. He did it again in 2023 against the Texas Rangers. Essentially beating them single handedly. Both WS champions of those seasons. Who tf else is the history of the sport comes close?
Sorry but Every Sports GOAT needs a Chip, even baseball players, That's Why When most GOAT lists are made Ruth, Mays, Aaron and Mantle are easily always ahead of guys like Williams and Bonds, I remember Bonds before Roids usually underperformed in the playoffs and that didn't go unnoticed for a reason.
Skip, regarding Bonds, back in the day when it was exposed by 60 minutes or whatever show, they mentioned that "the cream and the clear" greatly enhanced eye-hand coordination. It wasn't just the power, it was the recovery after pumping weights, the rashes they got in the lower back, and... the greatly improved eye-hand coordination
so I disagree with the point you made that the steroids just improved strength. When you are recovering from workouts like the X-men's Wolverine, and feel like a spring chicken at age 40... I would say that's a bit more than just a strength effect
agree the playoffs point which is completely valid. Plus LEADERSHIP (thinking Jeter, Brady, Jordan) which Ohtani is handicapped bc of the language/cultural barrier
It’s true. And with a creepy name like BALCO Laboratories entering into the mix, it’s almost literally like a real life Frankenstein story. Barry Bonds really was baseball’s Frankenstein come to life. 🧟♂️
Only thing Ohtani is missing are the multiple WS rings. As good as he is he has to win at least one championship or he'll be the greatest who never won like Mike Trout.
Irony in Skip calling him the goat without winning or ever entering the playoffs yet 🤦 vs that’s his whole criteria of Lebron Jordan debate is for that.
Underpaid? If you have 9 figures of dollar money, you won't spend all of it in a lifetime even if you buy a new car every month or weekly. Unless you go to a business venture that fails or gambling lmao. Then it's possible you could spend all of it. But other than that Shohei is not underpaid one bit.
@@rainbowhouse3427 actually they've done a breakdown on how much shohei brings to the club, the crazy thing is, even with a 700 million contract, the mathematical conclusion, is that yes, according to factual numbers, he is indeed underpaid. Crazy but true.
@@rainbowhouse3427Dodgers already made that 700 mill back 🤷♂️ Dodgers makes billions When business invest 700 mill in people they know they’ll get many many times over back At the end of the day it’s a business and they care about the ROI, so yeah Getting billions from a guy getting paid 700mill is called underpaid But yeah Ohtani still get 60-100 mill yearly off of sponsorships deals outside of baseball, so IMO it’s probably only zeros to Ohtani 🤷♂️
@@rainbowhouse3427 he is def underpaid if he brings massive money to the GM's, he is getting so much attention it's not even funny, attention = sales
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Baby Ruth couldn’t even throw 90 mph, not even close. Bonds is a cheater. All those roids guys are. They have no integrity of the game. Pete Rose has more.
@@BentleyVB No and I never seen Gretzky play, never seen Ali box, but I know they're GOATs of their respective sports as well, I can see their numbers just as I can see Ruth as of right now has far superior numbers and 5 rings to go with them.
@@fabianavalos1386 MLB has never put an asterisks next to anything as far as I know. So that's not saying much. They let the Astros hang that 2017 banner which is absurd.
Imagine you have two employees. One has migraine headaches everyday and the other does not. Who do you think would perform better at work? Of course the employee who does not have migraine headaches or any other hindrances to performance. That is what steroids can do for a player. It can make you recover better from injuries and it can make you gain muscle and therefore stronger. Think of how much of an advantage that is for an athlete. Steroids definitely enhances your performance.
It's a team sport and very hard to see playoffs when your top teammates were Rendon and Trout, and owner was Moreno. Two biggest mistakes of his career were picking Ippei as an employee and Angels as employer - for YEARS.
Please! only 5 years ago a bunch of people were already ridiculously calling Trout the GOAT. They had 2 guys that people prematurely put in the GOAT debate, there's no excuse for not making the playoffs, and there won't be any excuse if the Dodgers don't win it all after spending all that cash, Especially with the season Shohei's had.
As much as we would love to hate the Angels for wasting a big chunk of Ohtani’s career, keep in mind that if it wasn’t for the Angels, Ohtani wouldn’t be the player he is today. The reason Ohtani signed with the Angels is because they were the only team that was willing to give him an opportunity to be both a pitcher and a DH. Ohtani had to sign with the Angels in order to get the chance to prove to the league that he’s elite at both positions. Say what you want, but the Angels did a lot to help him grow as both a pitcher and a hitter.
I think if he consistently bats like this, they’ll limit his pitching or pull him after the 6th. Almost too good of a pitcher to not pitch. Remember his Japanese clutch pitching vs USA. I’d say they’ll see how his arm feels after pitching if gets too inflamed then he’d be done pitching
"...was a fat guy" lol. Cracked me up. Bonds was a HoFer before the juice, but unfortunately we will never know how he would have performed without the juice. You are right it doesn't change his bat to ball skills, but it did help him get so big and strong where fly outs turned into HRs, and also recover from fatigue or injury faster and he was able to perform at MVP levels into his older years where normally there is a performance decline and therefore he may not have reached the total HRs record.
We kind of know, He probably would've ended up with similar numbers as Griffey Which is TOP 5-6 numbers. We can see the Roids obviously gave Bonds about 120 extra HR just by looking at his timeline,
Dodgers have too many injured starting pitchers. Ohtani and the Dodgers offense will have to carry the team for most of the postseason to win their first 162-game WS since 1988. Go Blue!
Skips career before TV gets overlooked. Dude covered Jordan in Chicago, Bonds in Frisco, and the Cowboys dynasty in Dallas and won sports writer of the year back in newspaper days. It's actually incredible to be able to say you covered all those legends.
@@SouthernHadoken actually he admitted that his trainer misled him and that the flax seed oil and arthritis cream that was being used for his arthritis but as for testing or legal, no, he's in the clear. I think you forgot that the Federal Government was looking into his case and would have charged him with perjury had evidence came out that ran counter to his statement. Im not saying Bonds is clean, Im saying that he didn't test positive and should be in the HoF. Baseball arbitary dictates who should go in for bad behavior and who shouldnt. If it was everyone that did bend the rules in baseball (remember roids wasnt illegal in baseball) didnt get in then fine but we know it's all about public relations and not ability as to why some players are in the HoF while others arent.
Wow. Ohtani has definitely ARRIVED if Skip is talking about him. And the Ultimate Sports GOAT Tom Brady just made a video congratulating him. When that happens you KNOW you have made it. It’s really fascinating to watch the awareness and popularity evolve since I’ve been following him closely since 2018. And without a DOUBT, hitting the 50/50 Club changed EVERYTHING for him. It’s incredible to see. And I hate comparing him to other players or calling him the GOAT. I’m just grateful that he exists.
Skip, you called it 2 weeks ago when you said Ohtani will do well in the playoffs! That’s why you are respected with your views. New subscriber and you still belong on TV. It’s a shame what happened to you damn it!
Isn't integrity a key part of the GOAT equation? It’s not just about how you play, but how you go about playing the game. If you agree with that, how can someone who knowingly took an unfair competitive advantage even be considered in the GOAT conversation? I believe the GOAT debate is separate from the Hall of Fame discussion. There are plenty of Hall of Famers, some of whom may have cheated. But to be called the GOAT, that title should be reserved for the absolute greatest, and in my view, integrity and respect for the game are essential to that greatness. Being the greatest isn't just about having the most talent or the best results. It's about achieving the most while upholding the principles that best represent the sport.
Not Shohei's fault that he's not been to the playoffs. This isnt like the NBA where one player can carry their team to the playoffs. The Angels management is just terrible
The Babe wasn’t fat until the last quarter of his career.. his greatness occurred when he was in good shape and was just a burley guy with small ankles and legs that made him look fat
Ohtani is already the GOAT, but he'll have to overcome good ol' fashioned 'Merican racism, which means he'll need to be so obviously above and beyond any player in history in pretty much every metric in order for folks to say, "he is *one of the* goats"
Bonds did this at age 37 due to peds. come on bro. Ty Cobb best hitter not including power just hitting. 400 3 times. .366 lifetime average. 380 9 times.
Shohei may or may not be the GOAT but he's the undisputed BOAT.. best of all time GOAT should include accolades and longevity which is a knock on him But BOAT is about talent and ability, and he's without a doubt the best and most talented to ever play the sport
When the Dodgers win the WS (I'm sure Ohtani will be a huge part of it), then you can rightfully call him the GOAT. For now, an alien-like athlete with otherworldly talent and abilities. We need more performances from him like the 40/40 grand slam, and last night where he pretty much carried the team to the W. Do that in the post-season, get Dodgers the chip, then GOAT without question. Those that say post-season stats don't matter, you're out of your mind. Would Jordan be Jordan without his 6 rings? Just think nice and hard about that.
And risked and bought his rookie card already graded the first year he started smacking homers. People also pitch around Ohtani a lot, the steroids definitely helped Bonds put power on his swing. Skip never clearly played baseball. There’s a reason 145lb guys aren’t leading for homeruns ever. When I gained weight from lifting, the ball would go further when I got a good swing on the ball. Just admit you hate having a Japanese player the face of baseball. People like Colin admitted it at least
Funny that steroids didn't help Barry much in the playoffs. He always chocked except for one great postseaon when the Giants reached the World Series in 2002, as you mentioned.
So, Ohtani is not the GOAT because he hasn't shown in the pro season , while he still hasn't play and stroke out Mike Trout on the biggest game of his life, but Bonds gets the nod while having poor results in the playoffs. Keep the same standard.
Skip is a major Jordan fan boy and EVERYTHING he analyzes is from that perspective. He loses legitimacy when he does this especially since Jordan is NOT the Goat
I saw a pic on FB the other day of Mickey Mantel wearing just a bath towel in the locker room and had a very muscular athlethic figure but I never knew that in those baggy baseball uniforms of the old days. So maybe Babe Ruth wasn't as fat as those uniforms made him look?
Slow your roll buddy!! how can you call someone the GOAT whose only been around a few yrs in Majors? How do we know that he wont tank in the years to come?
He makes home runs, steals bases, and strike outs. He is insane. 🤯 Can’t blame Ohtani for being stranded on the Angels.
*”Can’t blame Ohtani for being stranded on the Angels”*
Okay, but he did sign an extension with the Angels a couple years ago even though he had no real incentive to do so.
Bonds is best hitter. Nolan or Pedro or Randy probably best pitcher… But Shohei is the best total baseball player ever!
Bonds was juiced up though
@@roysong1738 dont matter. like Skip said, roids dont help your hand eye coordination.
@@The_Zilliso without juice Bonds is Luis Arraez
@@The_Zilli It is a big deal, you spend less time working on your physique and focus on hitting. and the recovery aspect would be top notch too. Don't ever make PED's not a big deal, because it is a big deal.
It does matter lmao. Steriods means chearinf. Youre spmuppoeting thar@@The_Zilli
Who else in history has earned elite status as a pitcher, a hitter and a runner? I cannot think of another than Ohtani, please educate me.
The long haul is essential when we're talking about who the all time great is. Ohtani may well be the GOAT once the career is finished circa 2035, but that remains to be seen.
@@nickthomas6827 I get the logic of looking at the entire arc of a career, but on the other hand, if there comes an athlete that surpasses all others that have come before by achieving a feat once thought impossible, then do we withhold our decision of who is the greatest until their career is over? Let's look at sprinters for example. At the 100m contest, Bolt became the GOAT when he ran 9.58. End of story. No rational person would propose we should all wait to see what else he accomplishes before coming to a decision. Same is true in many other forms of sport that is not purely time/speed based. Now, baseball is artfully more dynamic and the performances of each athlete is challenging to decode. Add to the mix that it is a team sport and arriving at a consensus about who is the GOAT will rely upon smarter folks than me.
However, if one of baseball's most coveted statistic was the 40/40 club, how significant should be weigh the achievement of a player that achieves 50+/50+? Statistically, this is in another league. Even novices like me know that there are so many interesting and valid ways to dimensionalize a player's talents/achievements, but if hitting and running are critical foundational skills that define a player's caliber, then what Ohtani did in 2024 should already catapult him to the top of many lists.
If that is not convincing enough, Ohtani has the potential to win the Cy Young. Clemens, I believe, has the most, but just even being a contender while hitting bombs and stealing bases is just unheard of. There have been so many great athletes in baseball. One of my favorites was Bo Jackson. Wow, he had presence and everyone could just see that he was special -- because he did things that were spectacular. If Bo remained healthy and went on to have a storied career by becoming a member of the 40/40 and contending for the Cy Young, then I may just have to change my vote. But I can't, because there is an athlete that has done it for real. Ohtani already stands above everyone else. Show me another player with similar stats in all three dimensions -- hitting, stealing and pitching. How can any reasonable person assert a valid comparison with someone that does not have credible stats in all three dimensions like Ohtani?
I saw a cartoon Bugs Bunny did everything including umpiring.
Good to know you delete comments Skip! Now I delete your channel.
I honestly wonder what kind of baseball player Tom Brady would have been if he entered the MLB like he was drafted
ill take othani over dak as my qb
Lmao
*cries in NY Giants fan tears with Daniel Jones as our QB*
Ohtani would be a great QB.
Best talent ever. Not even debatable. Imagine Babe Ruth trying to play division 1 baseball today....good luck
You should only Judge a player by the standards of the era. Yes of course.. Ruth would be lucky to be just a mid player in todays league.
Yeah because you’re putting him in todays league without giving him the modern training and technology that modern players benefit from. Of course he wouldn’t look good. If Shohei ohtani was born in the 1890s he would look very different than today
@@timotmon You're right. Ruth is still likely the best to ever do it. I just get annoyed by Skip sometimes and he makes me act petty lol.
@@brandonneumann5294 I know. I get I'm not being fair and Ruth is still the GOAT but he did only play against white Americans and I still believe Ohtani is the best talent ever.
@@brandonneumann5294 even with modern day training, his chance of making to the major league is very slim. He play in a era with very small talent pool. Thats like a high school player dominating their region, it doesn't mean much. Ohtani is the real goat.
Steroid users are automatically out of a legitimate GOAT discussion.
Have you ever seen a vial of testosterone pitch a fastball? Have you ever sees a Dianabol tablet swing a bat? Me neither.
Then pretty much all modern athletes are out of the conversation, btw, because you will not find a single clean athlete in any sport these days. Plenty pass the tests. But these are In tests, not drug tests. Anyone with a sixth grade education and a calculator can pass them every single time
You are the reason why baseball is declining
WS titles is a team measure not a single players (goat) accomplishment.
An elite pitcher takes a season off to nurse an injury and casually destroys elite hitters records...
Even with Judge and Bonds pitchers have the option to walk them. They CAN'T do that with Shohei because he will steal and get into scoring position for Mookie and Freddie. Its literally lose/lose for opponents.
Then you have Shohei striking out 2022 Houston Astros on the mound and hitting bombs against them at the plate. He did it again in 2023 against the Texas Rangers. Essentially beating them single handedly. Both WS champions of those seasons. Who tf else is the history of the sport comes close?
Today league is different - a lot more talent and literally the best of the best come to the mlb to play .
Sorry but Every Sports GOAT needs a Chip, even baseball players, That's Why When most GOAT lists are made Ruth, Mays, Aaron and Mantle are easily always ahead of guys like Williams and Bonds, I remember Bonds before Roids usually underperformed in the playoffs and that didn't go unnoticed for a reason.
Ohtani is on the Dodgers now, he has to win at least 1 or more titles in order to solidify himself as the GOAT
@@ericxyliu So He'll automatically be the GOAT despite being down 500 HR, 1500 RBI, and 4 Rings to Ruth?? Yeah, No!.
Doc was smart putting him in leadoff position so pitchers can't walk him and have to pitch to him. That was a great move.
Skip, regarding Bonds, back in the day when it was exposed by 60 minutes or whatever show, they mentioned that "the cream and the clear" greatly enhanced eye-hand coordination. It wasn't just the power, it was the recovery after pumping weights, the rashes they got in the lower back, and... the greatly improved eye-hand coordination
so I disagree with the point you made that the steroids just improved strength. When you are recovering from workouts like the X-men's Wolverine, and feel like a spring chicken at age 40... I would say that's a bit more than just a strength effect
agree the playoffs point which is completely valid. Plus LEADERSHIP (thinking Jeter, Brady, Jordan) which Ohtani is handicapped bc of the language/cultural barrier
It’s true. And with a creepy name like BALCO Laboratories entering into the mix, it’s almost literally like a real life Frankenstein story. Barry Bonds really was baseball’s Frankenstein come to life. 🧟♂️
Only thing Ohtani is missing are the multiple WS rings. As good as he is he has to win at least one championship or he'll be the greatest who never won like Mike Trout.
he did it hahah
He is the real life “The Natural”.
Shohei Hobbs
Roy Hobbs is shohei great great grandfather true story.....
@@anzalone138 😂😂
Sorry, Barry US Steroids is not the GOAT.
Exactly. He's not in contention.
Exactly
Yep, even considering that is a shame and embarassement
Brady isnt goat then. He cheated too
He is get over
He’s not the goat because he doesn’t have the résumé yet. But he’s definitely the best talent and potential goat.
Irony in Skip calling him the goat without winning or ever entering the playoffs yet 🤦 vs that’s his whole criteria of Lebron Jordan debate is for that.
Dude is paid $70m/yr and is probably still underpaid with which how much they're probably off him from merchandise and stuff in Japan.
Underpaid? If you have 9 figures of dollar money, you won't spend all of it in a lifetime even if you buy a new car every month or weekly. Unless you go to a business venture that fails or gambling lmao. Then it's possible you could spend all of it. But other than that Shohei is not underpaid one bit.
@@rainbowhouse3427 actually they've done a breakdown on how much shohei brings to the club, the crazy thing is, even with a 700 million contract, the mathematical conclusion, is that yes, according to factual numbers, he is indeed underpaid.
Crazy but true.
@@rainbowhouse3427Dodgers already made that 700 mill back 🤷♂️ Dodgers makes billions
When business invest 700 mill in people they know they’ll get many many times over back
At the end of the day it’s a business and they care about the ROI, so yeah
Getting billions from a guy getting paid 700mill is called underpaid
But yeah Ohtani still get 60-100 mill yearly off of sponsorships deals outside of baseball, so IMO it’s probably only zeros to Ohtani 🤷♂️
@@rainbowhouse3427 he is def underpaid if he brings massive money to the GM's, he is getting so much attention it's not even funny, attention = sales
Baby Ruth couldn’t even throw 90 mph, not even close. Bonds is a cheater. All those roids guys are. They have no integrity of the game. Pete Rose has more.
Do you honestly believe Ohtani isn’t using PEDs? Legitimate question
@@BUFFALO_cougar_slayer Kid was throwing 100 in high school. Do your math. 😂
@@BUFFALO_cougar_slayeryou’re stupid if you think so.
@@BUFFALO_cougar_slayer Ohtonie throwing 100MPH ball in 9th grade. Did he take PED then ? Honest question
@@BUFFALO_cougar_slayer Ohtani was 160 lbs as a high schooler throwing 100 mph fastballs.
anyone can show me a better player ? I don’t think so . Shohei Ohtanj is the GOAT .
Calling a player GOAT before he retires is pure rubbish
Babe Ruth, easily as it stands right now.
@@pycellesbeard9728 yea but did you see him play ?
@@BentleyVB No and I never seen Gretzky play, never seen Ali box, but I know they're GOATs of their respective sports as well, I can see their numbers just as I can see Ruth as of right now has far superior numbers and 5 rings to go with them.
@@pycellesbeard9728 your absolutely right as of chips and stats but as of today era . We are blessed to see Ohtani play beyond Ruth level of skills .
Barry Bonds cheated.
MLB recognises all of Barry’s numbers
Could you imagine if Ohtani was on PEDs? He’d be Barry Bonds AND Roger Clemens put together!
@@fabianavalos1386 He's not in the Hall of Fame and neither is Mark McGwire or Roger Clemens.
@@MrReav13 Ohtani is Japans Ivan Drago
@@fabianavalos1386 MLB has never put an asterisks next to anything as far as I know. So that's not saying much. They let the Astros hang that 2017 banner which is absurd.
Imagine you have two employees. One has migraine headaches everyday and the other does not. Who do you think would perform better at work? Of course the employee who does not have migraine headaches or any other hindrances to performance. That is what steroids can do for a player. It can make you recover better from injuries and it can make you gain muscle and therefore stronger. Think of how much of an advantage that is for an athlete. Steroids definitely enhances your performance.
Shohei Ohtani is the Michael Jordan of Baseball!
Gotta win championships for that, this is more like Wilt numbers
@@SHAKE-S-PIERRE wilt won chips and he was up against bostons elite.
It's a team sport and very hard to see playoffs when your top teammates were Rendon and Trout, and owner was Moreno. Two biggest mistakes of his career were picking Ippei as an employee and Angels as employer - for YEARS.
Please! only 5 years ago a bunch of people were already ridiculously calling Trout the GOAT. They had 2 guys that people prematurely put in the GOAT debate, there's no excuse for not making the playoffs, and there won't be any excuse if the Dodgers don't win it all after spending all that cash, Especially with the season Shohei's had.
As much as we would love to hate the Angels for wasting a big chunk of Ohtani’s career, keep in mind that if it wasn’t for the Angels, Ohtani wouldn’t be the player he is today. The reason Ohtani signed with the Angels is because they were the only team that was willing to give him an opportunity to be both a pitcher and a DH. Ohtani had to sign with the Angels in order to get the chance to prove to the league that he’s elite at both positions. Say what you want, but the Angels did a lot to help him grow as both a pitcher and a hitter.
Hes an amazing pitcher but better hitter. Thats crazy. He wont be pitching much more if he keeps hitting like this.
And He shouldn't, He's had 2 UCL tears, His arm is already warning him, there's a reason they switched Ruth to OF full time at only 24 years old.
I think if he consistently bats like this, they’ll limit his pitching or pull him after the 6th. Almost too good of a pitcher to not pitch. Remember his Japanese clutch pitching vs USA. I’d say they’ll see how his arm feels after pitching if gets too inflamed then he’d be done pitching
"...was a fat guy" lol. Cracked me up. Bonds was a HoFer before the juice, but unfortunately we will never know how he would have performed without the juice. You are right it doesn't change his bat to ball skills, but it did help him get so big and strong where fly outs turned into HRs, and also recover from fatigue or injury faster and he was able to perform at MVP levels into his older years where normally there is a performance decline and therefore he may not have reached the total HRs record.
We kind of know, He probably would've ended up with similar numbers as Griffey Which is TOP 5-6 numbers. We can see the Roids obviously gave Bonds about 120 extra HR just by looking at his timeline,
Fair points, Skip. Now kick back and watch Ohtani become the goat on the Dodgers
Dodgers have too many injured starting pitchers. Ohtani and the Dodgers offense will have to carry the team for most of the postseason to win their first 162-game WS since 1988. Go Blue!
Skips career before TV gets overlooked. Dude covered Jordan in Chicago, Bonds in Frisco, and the Cowboys dynasty in Dallas and won sports writer of the year back in newspaper days. It's actually incredible to be able to say you covered all those legends.
Once you test positive for the juice you aren't Goat caliber sorry not sorry 🤷🏽♂️
you do know he never tested positive right?
@@The_Zilli The guy admitted to using steroid. Not sure what else you need.
Exactly, Tatis is tainted also.
@@SouthernHadoken actually he admitted that his trainer misled him and that the flax seed oil and arthritis cream that was being used for his arthritis but as for testing or legal, no, he's in the clear. I think you forgot that the Federal Government was looking into his case and would have charged him with perjury had evidence came out that ran counter to his statement. Im not saying Bonds is clean, Im saying that he didn't test positive and should be in the HoF. Baseball arbitary dictates who should go in for bad behavior and who shouldnt. If it was everyone that did bend the rules in baseball (remember roids wasnt illegal in baseball) didnt get in then fine but we know it's all about public relations and not ability as to why some players are in the HoF while others arent.
@The_Zilli he's talking about bonds 😀😀
Ruth was the GOAT of his time. 😂 Does it really matter? A waist of time comparing things we can't see.. 😮
Skip is the king
King of bad takes.
At this moment Shohei is the Best player to never play in the post season, This will Never be Duplicated! Shohei the Best that ever was!
You forgot about WBC. He had Japan beat the USA.
Wow. Ohtani has definitely ARRIVED if Skip is talking about him.
And the Ultimate Sports GOAT Tom Brady just made a video congratulating him. When that happens you KNOW you have made it.
It’s really fascinating to watch the awareness and popularity evolve since I’ve been following him closely since 2018.
And without a DOUBT, hitting the 50/50 Club changed EVERYTHING for him. It’s incredible to see.
And I hate comparing him to other players or calling him the GOAT. I’m just grateful that he exists.
Skip, you called it 2 weeks ago when you said Ohtani will do well in the playoffs! That’s why you are respected with your views. New subscriber and you still belong on TV. It’s a shame what happened to you damn it!
Isn't integrity a key part of the GOAT equation? It’s not just about how you play, but how you go about playing the game. If you agree with that, how can someone who knowingly took an unfair competitive advantage even be considered in the GOAT conversation?
I believe the GOAT debate is separate from the Hall of Fame discussion. There are plenty of Hall of Famers, some of whom may have cheated. But to be called the GOAT, that title should be reserved for the absolute greatest, and in my view, integrity and respect for the game are essential to that greatness. Being the greatest isn't just about having the most talent or the best results. It's about achieving the most while upholding the principles that best represent the sport.
come to think about it how the heck didn't the Angels ever do anything with Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani?
It's not their fault the rest of the team sucked. And Trout, an amazing talent, is always hurt. Shozilla!
Trout should've gone to the Yankees - Angels would never be the place
Trout should've gone to the Yankees - Angels would never be the place
There was a video made of Barry Bonds didn’t swing the bat in 2004 he’d still would have one of the best seasons ever
The worst part is the Dodgers pitching staff going into playoffs. And mess up Ohtanis chances of winning a World Series
If he’s the goat he’s gonna have to win no matter what. Teams in the playoffs for a reason they’re not bad
Something to keep in mind is that his Win/Loss record as a pitcher was for the Angels...
It’s a shame that he didn’t do this 15 to 30 years ago when it would’ve been respected a lot more in the states. Possibly would’ve saved baseball.
1:12 the Kamahameha celebration lol love that
I like Skip better when he doesn't completely ignores baseball 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Post season stats are almost meaningless. Too small of a sample size.. Is Ted Williams any less of a player because he batted .200 in the post?
Can argue beating USA in the WBC final is like winning a postseason
YES, HE IS (PERIOD)
Skip is always keeping it real.
60/60 soon
Possible, but improbable.
Skip you have said some crazy things over the years, but saying Shohei is the goat, would be the smartest thing you’ve ever said.
And if you really know baseball. Which im sure a lot of you do. He might even be a better pitcher than hitter. ,
For some reason Ohtani is not being talked enough from sports media. I wonder why!?
This was a good segment. Please discuss baseball more often.
Not Shohei's fault that he's not been to the playoffs. This isnt like the NBA where one player can carry their team to the playoffs. The Angels management is just terrible
About to be 2nd player to win MVP in both leagues. First to win MVP in both MLB leagues and in Japan.
The greatest baseball player of all time
Good take -
4:41 best part and i 100% agree
The Babe wasn’t fat until the last quarter of his career.. his greatness occurred when he was in good shape and was just a burley guy with small ankles and legs that made him look fat
Ruth by far. its hr/ ab. ruth no peds. no helmet, no batting globves. .342 lifetime avg
Just got the chip🏆🍾💙
Ohtani is already the GOAT, but he'll have to overcome good ol' fashioned 'Merican racism, which means he'll need to be so obviously above and beyond any player in history in pretty much every metric in order for folks to say, "he is *one of the* goats"
Yes!Baseball topic!Thanks 🎉
The other oft-mentioned candidate for greatest hitter, Ted Ballgame (who had a higher lifetime OBP than Bonds), also never won a ring.
Bonds did this at age 37 due to peds. come on bro. Ty Cobb best hitter not including power just hitting. 400 3 times. .366 lifetime average. 380 9 times.
Barry Bonds is the best juiced hitter in the history of baseball.
I think Skip is the GOAT.
On Point 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽
Skip bayless is the real goat
Ted Williams enters the chat
Thank you skip been watching since cold pizza
Watching from Guam 🇬🇺🇬🇺🇬🇺
Shohei may or may not be the GOAT but he's the undisputed BOAT.. best of all time
GOAT should include accolades and longevity which is a knock on him
But BOAT is about talent and ability, and he's without a doubt the best and most talented to ever play the sport
He's a top 2 hitter and a top 5 pitcher
When the Dodgers win the WS (I'm sure Ohtani will be a huge part of it), then you can rightfully call him the GOAT. For now, an alien-like athlete with otherworldly talent and abilities. We need more performances from him like the 40/40 grand slam, and last night where he pretty much carried the team to the W. Do that in the post-season, get Dodgers the chip, then GOAT without question. Those that say post-season stats don't matter, you're out of your mind. Would Jordan be Jordan without his 6 rings? Just think nice and hard about that.
Dodgers are not even going to the WS let alone win it. Philadelphia has a better team then them. they will win they NL
Don’t be shocked for another October fail.
NOT EVEN A TOPIC TO DISCUSS. Y’ALL STUCK BEING SOUR ABOUT SHOHEI. LET HIM DO HIS THING AND ENJOY.
Josh Gibson Barry Bonds and Babe Ruth were the Goats
And risked and bought his rookie card already graded the first year he started smacking homers. People also pitch around Ohtani a lot, the steroids definitely helped Bonds put power on his swing. Skip never clearly played baseball. There’s a reason 145lb guys aren’t leading for homeruns ever. When I gained weight from lifting, the ball would go further when I got a good swing on the ball. Just admit you hate having a Japanese player the face of baseball. People like Colin admitted it at least
As soon as I heard "barry", I was done.
Wait until after a player retires before calling him the greatest.
I’m a big Ohtani fan but he needs to win some championships and continue to do what he does before we label him as a 🐐
You can tell skip missing being on tv every morning even the sports debate GOD that started it all is only human
Funny that steroids didn't help Barry much in the playoffs. He always chocked except for one great postseaon when the Giants reached the World Series in 2002, as you mentioned.
IT IS NOT HIS FAULT THEY CHOKED. AFTER THAT GIANTS WON 3 AND ANAHEM NEVER WON ANYTHING AFTER THAT! DID THEY?
See, it wasn’t that hard to talk something different to lebron and cowboys
Your still around?
Yes he is. A team of ohtanis would be a team of any other player easily.
I would take Ohtani over Bonds everyday of the week
suprised i agree with skip bayless for once
I feel sorry for Skip.
Ohtani is the GOAT.
Other than wining some rings!!! Once he’s done that. Then he came possibly be the goat!!
Scouts will starting looking hitter and pitcher
So, Ohtani is not the GOAT because he hasn't shown in the pro season , while he still hasn't play and stroke out Mike Trout on the biggest game of his life, but Bonds gets the nod while having poor results in the playoffs.
Keep the same standard.
Is he the GOAT?
If you have different opinion, other than yes, ask yourself: Which player would you sign to your team Ohtani or Judge?
Ohtani. He can bat plus run and pitch
You’re the goat for biggest bust in television history.
He's only 30. IF you don't think he is the GOAT already, just wait.
Skip is a major Jordan fan boy and EVERYTHING he analyzes is from that perspective. He loses legitimacy when he does this especially since Jordan is NOT the Goat
I saw a pic on FB the other day of Mickey Mantel wearing just a bath towel in the locker room and had a very muscular athlethic figure but I never knew that in those baggy baseball uniforms of the old days. So maybe Babe Ruth wasn't as fat as those uniforms made him look?
He was well known for his gluttony and drinking and had a big belly. He was an athlete for sure but not to today's standards.
Othani is the goat, stats don’t lie.
Barry Bonds is the GOAT
OHTANI is the GOAT
Skip pls tell that to stephen a smith his a hater. Lol Shohei is the GOAT IN MLB!
Yeah the goat in strikeouts , he averages 175 strikeouts to only 80 walks per season, let’s put that in there too
Yes he is the GOAT!
Slow your roll buddy!! how can you call someone the GOAT whose only been around a few yrs in Majors? How do we know that he wont tank in the years to come?
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I mean he was pretty decent. Maybe if he locked in as a baseball player he probably could have been an all star.