Beethoven’s Hearing Aids
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- Although Beethoven utilized these “ear-trumpets” during the last couple decades of his life, I don’t recall ever reading any accounts of them actually…working…
On the other hand, his conversation books were quite effective. His friends and relatives would jot down their questions or responses, while Beethoven would reply aloud. Fortunately for us, a great deal of these conversation books have been preserved. In recent years, many of them were translated into English for the first time!
Other sources:
Swafford, Jan; Beethoven: Anguish and Triumph
www.antiquetrader.com/collect...
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Fulda Symphonic Orchestra, 2000.
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He also wrote his 9th symphony while nearly completely deaf. It’s widely regarded as on of the greatest symphony pieces ever. It’s my favorite
It's one of my favorites too! Especially the 2nd movement and the fugue from the 4th movement!
The 2nd movement is such a banger. It’s actually what got me into classical
i think it's widely regarden as one of the greatest musical achivement as well if not THE greatest.
Also his late piano sonatas, my favourite of them all is the op 106.
But they are all masterpieces, they explore realms of music that still sound so new and refreshing almost 200 years later.
@@Michachel
Same with me ! It was that second movement of the Ninth, that started my lifelong love and interest in Beethoven and classical music in general some 50 years ago.
his music is so good that i keep forgetting he was deaf
A man who studies everything related to Beethoven said once that Beethoven wasn't completely deaf, as many people would think. He still had a very, very tiny amount of hearing in his left ear. In an interview I saw with Igor Stravinsky, he stated that Beethoven would use a pencil to feel the vibrations of the music on his piano. One of my favorite stories, though, is that Beethoven actually got to conduct at the premiere of his 9th Symphony, but no one payed attention to him, really, as there was already another conductor there. So, Beethoven was a few bars off after the performance ended, he was turned around, and saw the resounding standing ovation. That's all history, and Beethoven was simply one of the most amazing composers ever.
Beethoven’s story was so sad 😢😢
It was indeed. He tried whatever he could to fix his hearing, but it was all in vain.
God bless all that have disabilities like this man. Maybe you could turn it into something good
Bless him. He had such a hard time with his hearing loss. And wrote some his great masterworks while deaf. I’m a pianist losing my hearing as well. I’ve had hearing loss my entire life. Luckily I’m still ok but wear hearing aids in both ears. And they sound awful. Thank God I can hear the piano well.
Awww, I'm sorry to hear that.
Fortunately, you live during an era where symptoms can be somewhat alleviated...
Beethoven's doctors tried to heal him with oils and potions.... 😬
@@secondchairmusic yes. Poor Ludwig. I really feel for this great man. He’s in my heart. I love to play his sonatas.
i wonder if they really worked? i wish i could’ve met beethoven
I highly, HIGHLY doubt it. I get the logic behind its invention, tho. Did you see the ends of those things? The part that's put into the ear? It looks like it'd scratch your entire ear off! Too bad rubber wasn't invented yet-it wouldn't made it much more comfortable.
But still i wanna meet him
Actually these primitive hearing aids worked surprisingly well.
My grandfather (1890 - 1972 ) would still prefer to use such an ear trumpet inspite of having a first generation electronic hearing aid at his disposal.
But this device was still very clumsy at that time, and my grandfather would also be constantly fumbling with it to improve the volume, so that it would be out of order for most of the time . 😄
Btw. it was no other than the famous mechanic, Johann Nepomuk Mälzel, who befriended Beethoven while in Vienna, when Beethoven was in his forties.
Mälzel handcrafted 3 different ear trumpets for the composer, of which Beethoven used the smallest one the most. Today these ear trumpets are at display at the Beethoven-House in Bonn, Germany.
Mälzel would also construct the mechanic metronome by an inspiration of Beethoven's.
And it was also Mälzel, who would ask Beethoven to compose his battle music, "Wellington's Victory", originally for Mälzel's mechanic orchestrion, the arrangement for orchestra would become Beethoven's most succesful work during his lifetime.
However by 1818 Beethoven's hearing loss had worsened to such an extent, that he was clinically deaf and he began to use the conversation books to communicate with others.
Today the modern electronic and astonishingly small hearing devices have greatly improved of course and my grandpa, if still alive, wouldn't have to fumble it out of order.😁
Imagine we could travel in time, meet him and give him and give him a modern day hearing aid device 👂👂👂
I'm sure he'd weep tears of joy!
Or, y'know, antibiotics
Another famous composer who also lost his hearing ability is Bedrich Smetana. However, unlike Beethoven, Smetana lost his this ability very lately, at the age of 50.
This make no sense, Beethoven could hear, with some difficulties but could, until 54-55 years old. He didn't compose his 9th totally deaf, this is a myth. In fact he never got totally deaf, this is misinformation, if you read the new discoveries about him. By the way, Gabriel Fauré got deaf in his last years too. So, there were 3 composers who had this issue. Try to read this The Guardian article" Deaf’ genius Beethoven was able to hear his final symphony after all"
To say that Beethoven could hear “with some difficulties” is a gross understatement. Having negligible amounts of hearing doesn’t really negate the fact that this was a severe handicap. Having 2-3% hearing on good days hardly makes a difference in the effectiveness of that faculty.
I’m familiar with the article in question, and the “new discoveries” are hardly new at all! There are many first hand accounts from those who knew Beethoven personally, detailing the few instances where he would occasionally be able to hear some sounds (if they were loud enough), but they were few and far between, and then only on the days when his overall health wasn’t that bad. But 99% of the time, he didn’t hear anything.
@@secondchairmusic This " 2-3% " is a invention, where you took these numbers from? Obviously, for Beethoven, composing with that hearing impairment was a struggle, he needed much more effort than usual composers, but don´t say that Beethoven was deaf when composed the 9th, it´s misinformation. Do a research in articles around about this issue, don´t repeat what you read in books from 50´s and 60´s.
😞😞 I didn’t think I’d have to clarify this, but when I stated 2-3%, I did not mean for that to be taken literally. How could I, or anyone else for that matter, even know something like that? As if Beethoven is here to be examined?
Also, please remind me of exactly where I stated that Beethoven was completely deaf when he wrote his 9th…unless I’m losing it, *you* were the only one who brought it up. The 9th wasn’t even an original topic of discussion…
And regarding your assumption that I haven’t adequately researched this subject, and that I’m simply regurgitating outdated information from the 50s and 60s (??), I’ll let you know that I’ve actually studied this topic intensely. In the 30+ books about Beethoven that I’ve read over the years, including personal diaries from contemporaries as well as Beethoven’s conversation books (the last volume having been published in 2020 and edited by Theodore Albrecht, the scholar interviewed in the article you referred me to), virtually ALL have made reference to Beethoven being able to hear some sounds occasionally. Beethoven himself made comments on this; that on some days his hearing was better than others. If your issue is with the word “deaf” being used, then answer me this: at what point can an individual be referred to as deaf? 50% hearing loss? 70-90%? Or does 99.999% of hearing have to be lost before one can be referred to as such? Perhaps “hard of hearing” would be a more acceptable term to you, which really amounts to nothing but a silly argument over semantics.
From my point of view, it appears that the idea of Beethoven being able to hear some things is actually news to *you*, which would probably explain why you feel the need to tell me to “do a research” on this supposed “brand new discovery”. Now, I could be mistaken, and of course I’ll apologize if I am, but based on my experience with others who read two books on a subject and then think of themselves as experts, I highly doubt it.
@@codonauta The Guardian article is a load of ableist bs made for people who have no idea how deafness and hearing loss work and think deafness is complete silence.
Deafness is highly defined in relation to how much it hinders communication and on the (lack of) ability of the brain to process sound and not necessarily as "being surrounded by silence"
By his mid forties Beethoven was profoundly deaf (which is the most advanced level of hearing loss)
Beethoven could heard anything from his right ear and the little sound he heard from his left ear was very low in volume and his brain couldn't process it properly.
That is profound deafness, that is being fully deaf
The article does not even deny this, the Guardian just decided that actual deafness wasn't real deafness because it doesn't fit their ignorant ableist ideas on how being deaf/Deaf work
Those ear trumpets did not look comfortable to use at ALL! Did you observe the headband attached to some of them? Beethoven would've been walking around looking completely crazy! 😂😂
When doing his expanded walks, Beethoven would carry only the small one with him, that he would put into the pocket of his coat or, when the weather was sunny, carried it hanging on a rope around his neck.
He would only put it on or hold it to his better ear, if he talked to someone, he'd just met.
But according to eyewitnesses Beethoven would look like crazy anyway, because he was often completely lost in his imagination and would often make strange movements with his arms in the air, like he was conducting music he'd just hear in his mind. 😁
When suddenly disturbed in his thoughts by a passant, who would dare to speak to him, when he just was in such a contemplated state of mind, he could also react in a pretty agressive manner.
Someone once said to me that his secretary came up with beethoven have a conversation book i never knew he actually truly had one.
The secretary, Anton Schindler, actually forged a few entries in Beethoven’s conversation books. He tried to make himself look more important to Beethoven than he actually was…😂😂
WE BREAKIN INTO THE BANK WITH THIS ONE
It was hard to carry this things everywhere I go.
When doing his expanded walks, Beethoven would carry only the small one with him, that he would put into the pocket of his coat or, when the weather was sunny, carried it hanging on a rope around his neck.
He would only put it on or hold it to his better ear, if he talked to someone, he'd just met.
@@gunterangel But it was like carry glasses or an instrument. It's not so much at first but later on it gets anoying.
@@LudwigVan_Beethoven
Annoying for sure !
But I guess, with time he got used to it, like people getting used to a walking stick or a rollator when getting older.
It has been suggested that his consumption of lead ( which was actually not uncommon as a sweetener and also drinking cups , mugs etc were often made with high lead content) contributed to his hearing loss...Tragic...
For years, that’s what I also thought! But in recent research, sources said that the lock of hair that was used to test for lead poisoning wasn’t authentic!! I still have more reading to do, and I still have to cross reference the sources used, but it’s still an interesting thought!
A lot of his family were also hearing impaired
During Beethoven's lifetime actually some rumours came up, that he might only pretend his deafness due to misantrophy.
To silence these rumours once and forever he had ordered before his death that an autopsy of his cranium and his ears should be made, which actually happend two days after his death.
The report by the doctors indicates that he probably suffered from otosclerosis, a degeneration of the inner ear, the cochlea .
The illness is quite rare and preferably hits women after pregnancy, and a genetic inclination is assumed.
Another also quite rare illness, systemic lupus, a sort of autoimmune disease from the huge circle of rheumatic diseases, can cause an otosclerosis as well, which can lead to deafness.
That's even more probable in Beethoven's case, since it can cause severe problems with digestation organs too, and that is just what Beethoven suffered all his life too!
He often complained about painful colics of his colons with diarrhoe.
Tragically nowadays one could save him some rest hearing by providing him with two cochlea implants.
So his deafness was real and no fake actually !
Of course the doctors at the time
didn' t know these illnesses.
Unfortunately the tissue of the autopsy got lost over the time.
So the diagnosis is an assumption
by modern doctors based on the descriptions of the doctors, who made the autopsy and the report.
So we will never know for sure
and 100% , what illness it was,
that produced his deafness.
But that his inner ears were degenerated ,was clearly described in the report and is certain !
So the modern diagnosis is quite probable, even if not 100% certain !
The theory of lead poisoning came up only some twenty years ago, when an American pathologist examined some hair of a curl taken from Beethoven's head after his death.
It was the young Ferdinand Hiller,
who was presented with this very personal memorial piece of Beethoven and it stayed within his family for the following generations .
As a seventeen-year old boy he had visted Beethoven several times in his last days , shortly before his death.
Hiller was the pupil of Ignaz Moscheles, who was a good friend of Beethoven, who would take Hiller with him to visit the dying Beethoven in order to wish him farewell.
Hiller settled in Cologne at last, where he became an important figure of the music life in the 19th. century and where he also died
in the eightes of that century.
During the thirties of the 20th.century his family had to flee Nazi-Germany, because they were Jewish.
And in an complicated escape over Denmark the family and the curl of Beethoven's hair eventually landed in the USA.
There is an interesting documentary about Beethoven's hair and the escape of the Hillers, where finally that lead poisoning theory is mentioned.
Well, it's undeniable, that the hair contented quite an amount of lead.
That was due to the lead sugar, that Beethoven would often add to his wine.
But that was pretty common at that time, so if that would have been the main cause of his deafness, many people in Vienna at that time should have been deaf, which wasn't the case.
Apart from that the main symptoms of lead poisoning were absent in Beethoven's case, namely apathy, chronic fatique and numbing down of the mind.
If Beethoven had actually suffered a serious lead poisoning, he wouldn't
have been able to compose such complex works like the ninth symphony anymore.
He would have been too lethargic.
So the theory of otosclerosis ( possibly caused by systemic lupus) remains more probable than the lead poisoning theory imho.
The main cause of his death was cerosis of his liver due to his remarkable alcoholic consumption over many years.
That cerosis had worsened after he had just fought a serious bout of pneumonia in december 1826.
This led to an aszites, that had to been punctated several times to get rid of all the fluid, that would press his heart and lungs making it hard for him to breath.
There was no idea of sterilization back then and the wound by the punctation needle infected at last.
That caused an uncurable peritonitis,
which led to a septicemia,
( no antibiotics at that time ! )
which he finally succumbed to
in march 1827.
So the poor man died slowly and painfully over a period of four months.
Please, pardon me for another lenghty post of mine and for getting carried away towards end of it, but I hope some readers might find it interesting anyway.
@@alexander-yf3bp
Indeed !
In german local TV since many years there is a successful game show, titled "Ich trage einen großen Namen (" I bear a famous name"), where a panel has to guess the famous ancestor ( or just a relative) of a studio guest.
And just a few years ago I watched an edtion, where the guest was actually a man with the name Lodewig van Beethoven from Belgium, who claimed to be a relative of the famous composer.
Since the composer didn't have children of his own he could obviously not be a direct descent of Beethovens, but only share a common predecessor with him.
But as I guess, that the producers of the show always prove the claims of their guests beforehand, it seems quite believable to me, that he actually was a distant relative of the famous composer.
( The last descent of his nephew had died around 1917.)
All the more Beethoven's grandfather, Ludwig van Beethoven senior, actually came from Mecheln in todays Belgium, so quite an amount of Beethovens might be dwelling still there.
And interestingly he also mentioned, that there are still some cases of hearing disabilities throughout the family.
With the tinnitus sond effect you momentarily made me think it was literally in my head 😅
LOL! My bad...
@@secondchairmusic No bad at all! Excellent editing!
@@MetalClassicalRocks Why, thank you! 😊
Keep on doing this, i love it
And I love you!! 😘💕😂
@@secondchairmusic 😂❤️
If you wouldn’t mind, what are your preferred sources for making videos like these? I’d love to spend countless hours reading classical lore
My primary sources are always books. I have a couple hundred on various musical subjects, including composer biographies. I’ll also use JSTOR articles as a supplement. I always cite my sources either in the description box, a link to my Google drive, or the video itself.
FYI, Google has a whole host of primary sources that are in the public domain. I’m talking really, really interesting stuff like composer’s letters, and other related texts. Sometimes, the 17th or 18th century stuff will have antiquated words and even letters! One major downside is that a lot of these texts are in the native languages; if you don’t speak German or French you might be a little disappointed (like I am ☹️).
Awesome channel
Aww, thanks! You can check out my community tab for daily trivia!
LVB's father was said to beat physically young Ludwig. The father figure forced LVB to practice 8 to 15 hrs a day. Mankind is bizarre but would he have become the world's greatest composer? Without his father's discipline? DOUBTFUL
Actually these primitive hearing aids worked surprisingly well.
My grandfather (1890 - 1972 ) would still prefer to use such an ear trumpet inspite of having a first generation electronic hear aid at his disposal.
But this device was still very clumsy at that time, and my grandfather would also be constantly fumbling with it to improve the volume, so that it would be out of order for most of the time . 😄
But it was no other than the famous mechanic, Johann Nepomuk Mälzel, who befriended Beethoven while in Vienna, when Beethoven was in his forties.
Mälzel handcrafted 3 different ear trumpets for the composer, of which Beethoven used the smallest one the most. Today these ear trumpets are at display at the Beethoven-House in Bonn, Germany.
Mälzel would also construct the mechanic metronome by an inspiration of Beethoven's.
And it was Mälzel, who would ask Beethoven to compose his battle music, "Wellington's Victory", originally for Mälzel's mechanic orchestrion, the arrangement for orchestra would become Beethoven's most succesful work during his lifetime.
However by 1818 Beethoven's hearing loss had worsened to such an extent, that he was clinically deaf and he began to use the conversation books to communicate with others.
Today the modern electronic and astonishingly small hearing devices have greatly improved of course and my grandpa, if still alive, wouldn't have to fumble it out of order.😁
Beethoven is the best composer of all time, my favorite person to have ever lived on this earth, even to this day, i still think he didn't get the recognition he deserved, I hope people will realise that this "modern music" is absolute nonsense and start listening to classical music instead.
I disagree that modern music is nonsense; it's just that so much talentless crud is receiving the most airtime. You have to swim through the muck to get to the good stuff!
I posted a video explaining the science behind how Beethoven's loss of auditory input caused massive increase his capacity to process variables between Symphony #2 and the Eroica. This is what made him the greatest composer.
Ludwig van Beethoven
Was born
Wrote music
Now he's dead👍
cool.
But he still dident stop to make music😢
Would he have retained his hearing had he not been subjected to years of percussions.
I heard the Aids in yhe title as AIDS lmao.
Could Beethoven have been helped by a modern hearing aid?
Today there would be the possibilty to implant Beethoven a so called "Cochlea Implant Device" in a surgery, that stimulates the hearing cells in the cochlea, the inner ear, that was degenerated in both ears of Beethoven's.
That certainly wouldn't have given him 100% of his hearing abililty again as before of his illness, but probably it would have been enough, that he would be able to hear music again or even made him able again to conduct his music at least.
These devices came up some thirty years ago, so sadly Beethoven died some 170 years too early to make the experience of hearing again with the help of such a high-tech-device.
New studies has showed that Beethoven never got totally deaf, he didn't compose his 9th symphony totally deaf, this is a myth, including he could hear most of premiere of this symphony in Vienna in 1824. You can check this out in the Guardian article " Deaf’ genius Beethoven was able to hear his final symphony after all. " And in the book 'Hearing Beethoven' by Robin Wallace. His pupil Czerny said in one of his book that Beethoven used to hear his piano sonata 32, the last one (finished in 1822), using these ear trumpets. How, if he got totally deaf in 1815? Because he didn't get totally in 1815, nor after. In the 2 last years his hearing got worse, but he kept some residual earing in the left ear.
While I understand where you’re coming from, I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say that Beethoven wasn’t deaf because he retained a minute amount of hearing in one ear. It’s indeed true that on some days, he was able to faintly hear some things. Here’s an interesting anecdote to illustrate this point:
In his late 40s or early 50s, he dined at a friend’s house with the friend’s family. One of the daughters saw a bug or a mouse or some critter, and shrieked at the top of her lungs. It was loud enough that Beethoven actually heard it, and he was elated. They said that Beethoven was laughing and so happy-it made his day! All because he heard tiny bits of a loud scream.
With that being said, can you really say that Beethoven wasn’t deaf because he heard the girl scream? Or because he heard some faint sounds during an orchestral performance? No, because his 2% hearing was of absolutely no use. If I’m able to see out of a spot the size of a pen tip, but the rest of my eyes are completely cloudy and dark, does that mean that I’m not blind?
I think that we should take these “new discoveries” with a grain of salt. Nobody’s really denying that Beethoven could still hear faint sounds occasionally; there are plenty of accounts that support this. But let’s not make a big deal over his negligible amounts of hearing. For a musician, it’s hardly useful for anything.
@@secondchairmusic Did you read the sources I mentioned? It´s not 2% of hearing, it´s more. People are so used to saying that Beethoven composed the Ninth Symphony deaf, that at 45 he couldn't hear anything anymore, that they don't want to face the amount of new studies that bring many indications that he never became totally deaf, that he could hear part of the performance of the premiere of the ninth symphony. That the scene of Beethoven deaf, with total silence around him, in the theater at the premiere performance of the Ninth Symphony in Vienna, works very well for films, but does not correspond to the facts. People need a myth, so they will never accept such an "offense", Beethoven could hear (with difficulty, obviously) using devices and tricks - I mean, he had an idea of the sound of what he was composing, it wasn't just the music that he realized inside his head. In the last 2 years of his life his hearing deteriorated and he actually approached total deafness, but in 1822 to 1824 it did not.
I’ve already read the article you mentioned, and I’m familiar with Mr. Albrecht’s Beethoven research; I own several of his books.
I’m not sure if you’re agreeing with me, or contradicting me. You stated that Beethoven could hear some things with great difficulty, and I agreed with you, and even gave an anecdote. My knowledge of Beethoven isn’t based on Hollywood films like you’re insinuating, but rather the writings of historians, musicologists, as well as first hand accounts from those who knew him.
I’m not sure how you, or anybody else can accurately, yet retroactively, put a precise number on the exact degree of Beethoven’s hearing loss. The 2% I stated wasn’t meant to be taken literally-I was simply making a point. That point being that Beethoven experienced profound hearing loss to a degree that gravely impacted his work and ability to communicate with others. Sure, sometimes he was able to hear muffled sounds at certain pitches-this has been corroborated numerous times by his acquaintances, as well as Beethoven himself. Also, it’s indeed true that he did have methods for hearing himself at the piano, chiefly through bone conduction. But to make a big deal out of it, as if his deafness wasn’t a dire handicap is what I’m questioning.
If those who knew him said he was stone deaf (granted, we know he wasn’t 100% deaf, but w/e..85%, 95%, what’s the difference?)
If his family members had to communicate with him in writing,
If those who encountered him had to YELL to *possibly* be understood,
If he wasn’t able to perform with others because he couldn’t hear the other parts,
And if-to use your reference-he had to be turned around to face the audience after the performance of his 9th because he couldn’t hear the applause (which isn’t Hollywood, but actual documented fact from a multitude of first hand accounts),
then who are WE, 200 years later, to contradict those accounts? You get my point? Rather than “‘Deaf’ genius Beethoven was able to hear his final symphony after all”, the writer should’ve titled it “Beethoven was indeed able to hear SOME of his final symphony”. Furthermore, Beethoven being able to hear some sounds is hardly a new discovery. It might be news to *some* (the general public who wouldn’t be looking into it that deeply), but definitely not to those who’ve read any of the major Beethoven biographies.
@@secondchairmusic 1- I didn´t say that you knowledge of Beethoven is based in films.
2- It´s true that he couldn´t keep normal conversations in early time after he got hearing troubles, and couldn´t acting as conductor and playing with another musicians, everything is true, but all this not invalidate my point, he could compose (in a big struggle) having an idea of the sound, with the hearing which he kept about eight years after 1815, while people say "Beethoven got totally deaf in 1815".
3 - You accept this non sense story, I can´t believe: "And if-to use your reference-he had to be turned around to face the audience after the performance of his 9th because he couldn’t hear the applause (which isn’t Hollywood, but actual documented fact from a multitude of first hand accounts). " First, Beethoven getting lost in the himself score is already a contradiction, when with a glance at the orchestra he would locate in which part of the symphony was playing even though he was deaf. The orchestra played on a wooden stage, the symphony ends in a fortissimo. Do you really think that Beethoven would not have noticed the end of the vibration at the end of the symphony even though he was deaf, that he had to be told that the symphony was over? Do you realize how this story doesn't make sense, that it was made up? This story is more a romantic view of Beethoven. Yes, a lot of people repeat it, because like to romanticize classical composers, - this scene never happened.
1. It was insinuated, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps I misunderstood.
2. You are stating the obvious. Beethoven could compose making use of the hearing he had left. Agreed.
3. So the accounts from Unger, Schindler, Thalberg and others, those who actually attended the premiere, are nothing but pure fiction, right? Nonsensical fantasy, right? No offense, but I think I’d rather trust the written accounts from those who were *actually there*, and all of the research from Beethoven scholars from the 19th century to present, rather than the unsourced, unfounded claims from a commenter on TH-cam. Half of what you said in your third point consists of nothing but theories and hypotheticals that can’t possibly be proven today, so I won’t even address them.
Actually, I think I’m done with this exchange, as it has taken up an embarrassing amount of my time and we seem to be getting nowhere. I do hope that you’ll continue looking into the subject; you seem very passionate about it! At the very least, I hope whoever else might be reading this will get a kick out of it. 😂😂
Controversial opinion: Mendelssohn, Mozart, Bach, and many other composers are leagues above Beethoven. Beethoven is good, but far less enjoyable than Mahler or the others I've mentioned.
Wrong on so many levels. Bach and Mozart were phenomenal but Beethoven fundamentally changed classical music by ushering in the era of Romanticism
@BobbySpringer1 Ushering in change, doesn't make it enjoyable alone. Every relevant composer does that, again, that's why I said he is less enjoyable than others, imo.
@@judd5380 That's why he is the most performed composer since like 2 centuries right?
This is actually not true. Common misconception