Red Arrows Pilots SACKED - WHAT'S GOING ON?!!?
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Bullying by senior officer aircrew is extremely common. Especially if you aren’t part of the flying circus. It happened on 101 squadron where if your face didn’t fit or you were different, then you were discriminated against and a certain squadron leader tried forcing you off the squadron. You didn’t fit in then certain doors were closed and your assessments suffered. And forget the discrimination and harassment phone line. Unless you are a female LAC or SAC, they aren’t interested in helping you.
45 years in RAF uniform, Regular, Reserve and Volunteer reserve as an Airman (yes, Air MAN), NCO and Commissioned Officer. You’ve probably even flown against me at Spadeadam in your past.
Please keep the fight against the wokeism Tim. You are not alone, there are LOTS of us.
My only problem is after all that service I’m embarrassed to be associated with the RAF today.
Well said
MAN? Believe it or not, straight to recruitment jail.
I have no idea why you soldiers always love to emphasise what genitals you may or may not have. Wokeism is too far, but it doesn't matter if you're flying with ovaries or not.
The woke have an influence out of all proportion to their numbers, but I'm a bit puzzled as to how they do it. One factor is that the woke readily censor people who disagree with them, but normal people dont censor the woke because they, the normal people, believe in free speech. The woke tend to promote other wokists, because they dont believe in promotion on merit but promotion on the grounds of how many boxes they tick.
It's so good that we now have a channel like this, on the internet, for general and informed discussion regarding the Services. Could really have done with such a facility when I was in the RAF 60 years ago. Authority now has to face up in some measure to those who pay their salaries!
Thanks, Brian.
Tim, love the fact you have the balls to speak out about what you believe in. Great stuff mate. I watched the Red Arrows as a boy and the men flying those planes where looked up to by boys like me, they should show a bit more integrity about what they do as role models.
I have been watching The Reds since Ray Hanna led them, always saw them as The Elite. Luckily I met the team for a day when they changed from Gnats to Hawks, very professional. It was always a treat to see how foreign teams watched their displays.
The struggle for pilots to qualify was/is difficult, the behaviour of some now has been a slap in the face for many, especially those who failed to qualify.
Sad reflection on the drop in standards.
As ex RAF ground crew, during my time the Reds were pretty much universally hated.
Dead Sparrows/Scampton darts team etc etc
Yes they are. I fell foul with the reds in Cyprus years ago, they took over one of the bars and banned anyone from outside from entering. Red suits and blue, my boss at the time said they are the cream elite and are entitled. How did he know? His boss told him.😉
I heard from a relative of an ex red arrows pilot that the reds thought that they were untouchable. A report into this isn’t surprising. Clearly the team needs its igo investigated
You should have felt the emotion in the RN when the Field Gun Crews (and Army display teams) were done away with by the Govt, but the Crimson Crabs were kept.
...by some punters on the ground also, breathing in red, white and blue raw diesel vapour.
If you go to a military related TH-cam channel, the last thing you expect to see is things exploding
The Reds are very expensive, HM RAF is short of cash. Softening up in preparation for some big cuts maybe? 😮😮
I always put them forward for disablement to save £50million per annum.
This will be music to a potential foe's ears. The Red Arrows giving audiences around the world the impression that the RAF the oldest Air Force in the world is the Air Force the rest look up to, but behind the scenes in reality this is not the case anymore. What a bad situation to be in.
Starts from the top.
Leadership In the Royal Air Force has for a long while now been lacking at senior level. I wouldn't be surprised to see the top brass looking for a sacrificial scalp or two. Instead I would rather see an Air rank fall on their ceremonial sword, this happened on thier watch.
Was at RIAT this July and have to say the Reds display was lacklustre by comparison to the Koreans and the Italian teams display.
My friend who has been at RIAT more times than he can remember, described the reds as 'poor' this year. He also said the Korean guys were as good as he'd ever seen.
Buck your ideas up, gents.
The thing is, as you have said when talking about joining the RAF as a pilot they are (or should be!) officers first and pilots second and if these allegations are true they are not fit to be commissioned officers.
And yet NCO pilots had great reputations and surely pilot first should really be the criteria for a pilot
Compelling clarity among y’all the posts here Tim. It validates your video. Best wishes 👍
I would have thought that the first person looked at in this situation would have been the OC Red Arrows. This stuff has happened on his watch. I thought the whole reason of taking the OC away from the team leader was to separate issues such as this from the flying. Someone has taken their eye of the ball.
Agreed.
He knew what was happening. They all did. They may not all have been actively partaking, but they knew, and they didn't care. And they will get away with it.
Likewise Perty. So much of it on his watch. Hopefully channel 5 release all of their less favourable footage of these guy's behaviour.
@@nibbles1872 The neglect of the leadership led to the abuse, that is clear indeed.
I wondered what your thoughts were on this after reading it this morning. A frank and honest opinion as usual from you Tim…..Thanks for sharing.
I’ve listened to a few of your rants now and if half of what you say is true it’s very sad. Very sad indeed. I was an air force brat, my father, a WW2 Mosquito pilot, served 1939-1960. I myself served 1970-1989 on Harriers, Hunters at TWU Brawdy and Tornados. I think it all started to go wrong when they let women into a man’s world. Sorry, but THAT’S a truth bomb.
Could you expanded on that please can you give me specific example's of what they carn't handel?
@@gingernutpreacher Since I left before female aircrew arrived I’d only speak from prejudice. I’ll leave that question to someone with direct experience of training them and flying with them. Perhaps someone will be along soon.
@@angusmcangus7914I'm hoping what you're driving at is that the introduction of female aircrew was the thin end of the diversity at any cost/wokism wedge, rather than anything about an inherent lack of ability from female pilots. I agree with the former, but as a male pilot who has lost out in aerobatic competitions to female pilots more than once, I can't support the latter.
@@TheFleetflyer My first response to that is that aerobatics is not war-fighting. During my service I trained fighter pilots. It is perfectly possible for someone to be a competent fast-jet pilot but be unable to make the transition to using an aeroplane effectively as an instrument of war. Qualities such as infinite flexibility, rapid information absorption and assessment, fluid situational awareness, speed of thought and straight forward aggression tempered by the will to live to fight another day are among the qualities that must be present over and above pure flying skill. Not everyone made the grade. Of course I’m referring to it being the thin end of a ‘diversity and woke wedge’ but I am also sceptical that women would possess the ‘right stuff’ for want of a better expression. Certain aspects of life on a front-line squadron would also have had to change to accommodate them. I’m willing to be shown to be wrong if someone with direct experience wanders into this comment thread but I would point out that several incidents in the Royal Navy, the latest on board a nuclear deterrent submarine, have shown the inclusion of women in ship’s crews to have been a disaster.
XD In my part of the army, on the scout/lightly motorized/foot front, we were lucky enough to have a few officers who understood a couple of very fundamental things about the military: a) we use tools, we use our brains(although very little), we don't primarily rely on brute physical strength. You start from an easily achievable physical ability, and then you meet a target by the end of training that everyone are able to do, with very light effort. b) we perform a task for the military -- we are not a scout camp or a boy's summer camp club. c) young boys and girls are equally badly suited for uncritically obeying orders, and no human in existence has ever been "bred" for military service (although I will give you that some people will never function well in any role, anywhere else in society, ever, other than the military).
So because of that, my unit needed exactly two minutes to adjust to the fact that there were female officers and female soliders in the force. Because no one were ever judged on anything else than whether or not they were able to complete the task, and whether they could accept - for a time - the dehumanising requirements demanded of everyone for the time they are in service (i.e., live by rules you don't like, keep your mouth shut, use the chain of command, and bite down your sarcastic comment, perform your given task whether you feel like it or not. In return: predictability, protection, respect).
And the sad truth is that a military force or a unit that cannot adjust to "females" has never been about the task they are supposed to perform. They have instead been more about the surrounding image and the egos of those running the show. And I know, because I've been involved with other countries' units, including the RAF on an occasion, and the US Marines (which admittedly is in a league of it's own in the gender-issues) that not every military will ever be able to adjust to that. Because people who are recruited into it are either of "pedigree", who are entering into the force for all the wrong reasons, and to realise an image of the military that they have dreamt up over a lifetime of fantasizing about it. Or else they are simply part of a culture that is so entrenched that it cannot function if pussy is within a thousand kilometers.
Units like that never functioned, never had standards, never were exceptional performers -- except in your imagination.
Great video Tim if somewhat a bit of a downer given the circumstances. There isn't a great deal these days that the British can be proud of, but the Reds display at every air show always made me extremely proud to be British, they represent the country worldwide and should be held to a higher regard of that there is no doubt, I hope that whatever is going on can be sorted out asap. 😂 We've all been there on a night out and the drinks are flowing, it's all fun and games until someone voluntarily ends up getting naked!
Side note - Great interview on LBC the other day regarding RAF recruitment Tim, you held your own very well 👍
Thank you Sharkster :)
I think anyone who went to the RIAT this year and saw most of the other display teams especially the South Korean black eagles wipe the board with their display knew something was not quite right with the Reds....now we know why!!
Yeah they seemed very bland by comparison. I was amazed that the Korean's drew their flag in the sky.
I was very impressed with the South Korean display .
Absolutely!! All the other teams knocked the spots off the reds.. I think their routines are dated and lack lustre.. in fact little of their routine has changed at all over the last 10 years..
Tbf to them they rehearsed as a 9 and then Critchel and Cambridge left in may just weeks before their public display authority. On top of that they had to bring Bondy back only a few months earlier. All things considered i think they’ve done well to salvage the display and adapt it for 7 aircraft and i still enjoyed it everytime i’ve seen it this season. But it is definitely subpar compared to usual and I hope the go back to a nine-ship next season.
Hey fast jet performance, hope you're good. You've answered my question as to why I never got a response from the RAF recently, they said they'd be in touch after I showed interest in a certain role but didn't hear a thing, a bit pissed off I was... However, managed to make my own way into aviation and will full commit to PPL next hopefully.
Love watching your vids and at sompoint would love to take a lesson at the fast jet performance online training!
Tim- You ROCK; love your insights. I'm no pilot, but my dad was, so I have that carryover effect. He was USAF/31yr; fmr. fighter pilot. His last jet was Phantoms, but in 'Nam he volunteered for Sandy, A1E's, NKP, Thailand. 1st. SOS, low and slow......CSR.
To be replaced with rainbow smoke trails..planes repainted a lovely shade of puce lavender
It's also the media, so vague terms like "misogyny" often get thrown in to sensationalise the more clearly defined incidents, and really give the handle a good crank.
The author was probably disappointed there wasn't the opportunity to throw in claims of racism. That's the go-to for smear merchants.
Thank you Tim. Love your informed perspective. Interesting to note comment about being an officer before being a pilot. During BofB the RAF had more NCO pilots than commissioned pilots and it seemed to work then. I am in no way defending what seems like unacceptable behaviour! Ex-Fat Albert Type.
Yeah, pilots would turn up to the jet, very much the worse for wear. (Getting on the oxygen helped) Then again, the GCs seeing them off would be pissed too and would get on the oxygen also.
I once read that the BoB pilots used to breath pure oxygen to instantly sober up. Ive read that doctors still do this. is this true?
@@patttrick I have before crewed in and gone straight to 100% oxy back in the day when I was very small and had made an error staying up to long - luckily there were two of us in the jet.
@@FastJetPerformance, it definitely works. Erm, I imagine 🙄😬
I was so hammered from the night before during my ground handling training phase at cosford that I got kicked off the line for the day!! Then I got back squadded for the entire phase too…not my finest hours 🤣
Yes, seen it a few times but from what I heard it only temporarily clears the fug which returns later even worse😬
If Dave had taken said parties round the back of the hanger, ranks off, sort it. Back to work once finished it’s finished. Be bloody professional, 20 years ago “the pink sparrows” were a tad arrogant to the lower ranks in personal experience.
As a K9 Ground Attack Pilot on the RAFG dog display team we never experienced these types of problems, what is happening guys?
I mean, eyebrows would be raised if you had an affair with your K9 to be fair. Sorry, certified Army comment.
@@tridentuk6885 😄no offence taken, brains on chains, hog stranglers, its all good.
@@snowdrop629 Good Sir, you forget fur missile.
saw the RA last weekend . never get bored watching them
"It's a crazy world in the RAF right now!" I am well beyond my sell by date but your header is true; I would never have guessed you had been part of it from your presentation.
18:57 I work in an office answering phones for a train company. I can be asked to pee in a cup for randon drug and alchol testing. If I don't pee a 0.0 in Alchol I've not got a job anymore... Not drink drive limit. 0.0
Awesome video. I have never ever cheated on my wife of 20 years and never will. It is not actually difficult at all if you marry the right woman and not just the first one that came along.
@@westfieldracer You speak from experience?
Spot on with your conclusion Tim.
Thanks, Cyclemike :)
Extremely disappointed to hear about Will Cambridge. I met him at Bournemouth last year and would’ve never imagined reading stuff like this about a pilot for the reds
Keep dropping those truth bombs Tim 😁👍
That red Arrows guy was lucky. The swiss aerobatic team pilot who experienced an air mishap in his F-5 in The Netherland was brough to penal justice in Swizerland and faced prison time.
Tim, re. Clarke.
Similar has happened to myself though not as extreme, upon passing, I was told the hold time was to start was too long for me to join, so I’d passed, but not in enough time. My fault for applying too late.
However, there were lots of chaps at Cranwell who I spoke to and interviewed with in exactly the same position as you. College - university, UAS, graduating and applying as advised to do so by the RAF. They’re leaving uni, approaching their 22nd birthday.
The service max age for applying is 23.
They have the best part of 1 year to get through the door.
For context my recruitment time to even get to Cranwell was 18 months.
Clarke you’re not on your own pal. It’s upsetting, but as any good Pilot worth their salt would tell you, it’s just another challenge! Use the experience and the emotions productively - get started on a PPL? That’s what I’m doing, just because the RAF are being awkward, doesn’t mean other Pilot employing businesses are. Best of luck 👍🏼
@@Dr4co2023 Everybody has their own story Richard, nice to hear you made it as an engineer.
I’m currently working towards my CPL having passed my PPL earlier last year. It is tough, especially managing the finances, but I figure I want it enough, it’ll be worth it in the end.
Hope you end up/ended up happy either way sir. This industry is unforgiving at times.
As having served in the Army this is a big shame for the Red Arrows. They should publicly out the people involved for trust and bring in people who uphold the values of the RAF. The public even said the Korean Display team had the better display at Fairford. Standards have sadly fallen!
@@Letshaveafewbeers a colleague I work with went to the Blackpool or Southport show (can’t remember which) but he said exactly the same and that the jets were in immaculate condition. Unlike the reds he got to see at RIAT, he said they just looked old and weary.
@@user-of2iz1ft5c I think it's what we would see with certain regiments like 3 Para. You get a few who join the capbadge and get the ego but have totally lost sight of what their predecessors. Without generalising some of the officers are from one type of social background and fail to stamp it out. A lot gets hidden behind the official secrets act with reason but somethings need to be brought out if the services want reform!
Literally watched Air Chief Marshal Mike Wigston disembark the new RAF Envoy 2 aircraft at Edinburgh Airport this evening, he was in civy (tweed suit) with his partner. He seemed rather happy with life as was joking with the pilots. Video will be out Friday Tim if you want to see for yourself.
Please do, Lewis - he's off the Australia for Ex Pitch Black, I think - email me with it Lewis.
@@FastJetPerformance it will be posted to my channel Friday but i will email you as happy for you to use the footage.
@@FastJetPerformance how can I email you Tim, can't see it anywhere.
@@LewisMacdonaldMedia tim at fastjetperformance.com
@@FastJetPerformance thanks. I've sent you a dm on fb
Well at least I can sleep at night knowing we have good old Airfix to protect Us 🤣 may the RAF should go in to talks 🤷🏻♂️ they can have some good old tornado GR4 kits or a few GR 9 harriers kits that should do it 👍 thank Tim another good vlog 👏👏👏👏🏴
The MOD have been wanting to bin the Reds for years now, these muppets have handed them all the ammo they need to actually do it.
I have always loved The Reds, Oh that I could have been one!
I must say that I was surprised, at Eastbourne, that there were only the 7 flying, and thought that there were, perhaps, technical problems with the missing 2, but thanks F J for giving us the answers!
But surely the pilots should be responsible enough to avoid conflict of this type over the relatively few years during which they take part in The Reds, they must, surely, realise that they represent the RAF and UK around the world for being the "Best Display Team" and the effect that has to its audience?
Let's hope this can be sorted and we can have the team back to full strength soon! ~R
I was Eastbourne and it was the first time I'd seen a proper display. 7 just didn't quite cut it
The "Best Display Team" statement is a very subjective one! In the 'mix' must be these guys, the Frecce Tricolori, Russian Knights, Patrouille de France, et al!
@@Tailhook69 No you xxxxxx it's objective and my genuine opinion!
You obviously have your favourites which are wrong, my opinion!
Tim
Another epic video outlining the issues currently within the Royal Air Force. Having served nine years some time ago, it appears the integrity of the service is being eroded from within. It pains me to read articles that you have highlighted eloquently that bring the service into disrepute on multiple levels. Although the Royal Air Force is the junior service, it was always held in great regard by the other military branches (well, mostly) and the public alike. I believe there is an erosion of trust both within and externally due to the negative public exposure we are seeing. Which rightly should be brought into the open. The organization I was proud to serve has become a laughingstock.
Tim, I encourage you to continue with your endeavors to highlight the ongoing issues the service is experiencing and the poor leadership of some of the senior administration we currently have within the service.
Thank you, David - I'm not excatly popular with seniors at the moment and not looking forward to going to the RAF Club anytime soon, that's for sure.
Never, ever saw any bullying. Yes, we tore up the Mess playing Mess games like British bulldogs, high cockolrum, are you there Moriarty? Yes we then drove out on the closed runway with lights off...... Yes we suffered from terrible nightmares when pulling hard G; yes, our sinuses agony when climbing too fast; yes, my ass aching from being strapped in so tight.....Yes I faced my death in a spiral dive in heavy cloud...."What danger, eh?" CAVU skies, all.
Well done Tim.. That's the third one I have enjoyed. Keith
It will soon be 'The Red Arrow'.
I just hope that single pilot will be diverse enough in all respects. Less cost to the taxpayer though. Make it a Chipmunk to lower costs further.
The Pink Arrows not the Red Arrows.
The moral of the story being "Don't dip your pen in company ink!"
Tim mate,
this 'wokism' is nothing new to the service, I remember being told by a newly enlightened senior that the RAF was now a service for 'nice' people, and that there is no future for the 'dinosaurs' like me.
This was during my second RAFG tour on a squadron that used to regularly deploy to the field, under the auspices of a Boss that encouraged a 'work hard, play hard, drink hard' ethos. The moral on the squadron was at a high prior to this time but rapidly declined in the wake of the new crusade aimed at righting all manner of wrongs.
The year was 1988, Options for Change was it's name.
I went to airlines, and never looked back.
Good move, indeed.
I left RAF under options for change in 1996 as a JNCO. I don’t even recognise the current Force, very sad.
My job gets me involved in these sorts of matters and issues In healthcare all the time and if I am honest the RAF seems to not suffer so much but some is inevitable really.
I just love watching the brilliant RED ARROWS any time.
I think everyone with any sense, or some actual experience of it, knows how short sighted and sometimes even dangerous, or at the very least less than ideal, 'positive discrimination' can be. In finding a candidate for any skilled task/job, there has to be (or should be) discrimination in the sense of, when selecting someone for a role, you use 'recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another' to pick the most able candidate. That is to say, you pick the best person for the job, and if that person is black, white, yellow, male, female or whatever, then that's who you pick. If this 'discriminates' against someone else who is not quite as suited to the role, then tough shit. Yes there is an element of PR in the Red Arrows for sure, but if if favours being PC at the expense of picking the most able and dedicated personnel from the person who fits a screw to a panel, to the one who flies the thing, then it is no longer an elite entity which actually is worthy of being used for PR in the first place.
The road to hell is often paved with good intentions as we know; we only have to look at some recent examples where positive discrimination has led to not only disastrous outcomes, but has also ended up doing a disservice to the groups which this effort was attempting to help. Witness the cabinets of various UK Governments in the past 25 years, where there have been many attempts to deliberately put ethnic monority personnel and/or women in cabinet ministerial positions for the PR value instead of going off the person's abilities to find the best person for the role. This is how we end up with idiots such as Diane Abbott, Liz Truss and Priti Patel in such roles, who in addition to not exactly being the sharpest tools in the box, are quite evidently out of their depth. There have certainly been some men who are similarly inept placed in such roles who were doubtless placed there via the old boy network, which is just as bad of course, but using one bad system to try to counter another is not the way to go. We just end up with a situation which plays into the hands of racists and sexists who are handed some easy ammunition for their similarly dislikeable 'look how useless that woman is' types of comments. Conversely, there have been some outstanding female politicians in the UK's past who were there on merit, for example Mo Mowlam, who did an oustanding job in many ministerial roles, and she didn't give a shit about being PC either, as evidenced by her once having amusingly said, when confronted about having smoked cannabis in the past as a student: 'I tried dope. I didn't particularly like it. But unlike President Clinton, I did inhale.'
Back with the situation at hand however, out on the flight line and in the crew rooms, there is no denyiing that it is a very blokey environment, which, rightly or wrongly, is indeed an historical thing based on gender roles over the past century or so. It will doubtless take time for this to change, as indeed it certainly should, but the solution to this is to use inevitable change the entire social structure of society which is slowly occurring, rather than to try and force it at a pace it cannot realistically support. I know from personal experience that working on the ramp in aviation is one of those places where you have to have a bit of a thick skin; we work very hard and have no place for useless snowflakes who can't do the job well or safely, so the jokes and general conversation in the crew rooms inevitably reflects this. But I will say that even in this occasionally harsh social environment, we don't ever allow things to be unfair; it doesn't matter if you are black, white, male or female, if you can do your job and work well with others, everyone will not only support you, but also be happy to work with you, because we know you are there off merit, and not because somebody wanted to be 'right on' about the work force. If I ask someone to do a walkaround check of an aeroplane which is going to fly at Mach .82 at 43,000 feet with 350 passengers on it which full of flammable liquid and will be passing over all our heads, and then supervise its engine starts etc, I want to know that person is cleared for that job because they are capable of doing it well, not because they were a box which somebody fellt should be ticked. The truth is, if anyone in our crew room was genuinely racist or sexist, there'd be no need for the bosses to address this, because they'd probably get the shit kicked out of them by everyone else in the crew room.
Moreover, anyone who knows anything about the history of fighter pilots will be aware that many of the really good aces were quite short in height, not all of them of course, but generally speaking this is quite a common trait we can observe, and there is a reason behind it too. It's because when you are short, your body has less distance to pump blood and so you are typically better able to withstand G forces, which meant that when pulling back on that stick in your SE5 or Spitfire trying to get on the tail of that Fokker DV or Messerschmitt 109, with the elevators buffetting away right on the ragged edge of a stall, you could manage it better if you were smaller. This means that, all other factors aside, a woman of typical height would probably be better able to handle such G forces when compared to a man of typical height. So flipping the discrimination coin on its head, whilst very tall blokes might think this is unfair, again, tough shit, it's just a fact, and it is one which might be where a bit of discrimination could have been of benefit in selecting the ideal fighter pilot, notwithstanding G suits. These days however, we're rapidly approaching a time where a lot of combat aeroplanes will probably end up being either autonomous or remotely piloted, which may make such a factor irrelevant, but we can only hope that if/when that time comes, we'll be picking pilots and service personnel because of their abilities and not because we have a race/gender quota to meet. Let's not forget that the RAF is Her Majesty's force, so in the UK, everyone's boss is in fact a woman, and a very capable one too.
Heavy Metal dialogue boxes ?? Yep i can work with that Boss
Love your videos- but more specifically the comments & views. 🙌🏼👏🏼
Is it true the RAF where asked to send a rep to the Premiere of the new 'TopGun' film and the email said preferably not male and not white?
👌👌👍👍👍 for all the bomb noises!!!
I thought the bombs of truth were most excellent, and not at all scary. Keep doing them!
Love seeing the Reds - I was at Eastbourne last week, but it's not the same with only 7, and I note a display at Sidmouth this weekend has been cancelled for "technical reasons". Is there a risk that the MOD will use the current "situation" to save money by permanently reducing the team? Actually, I vaguely remember the Black Arrows - my Dad was ground crew on 111 Sqn, but sadly, at 4 months, I was too young to have seen the famous 22-jet loops.
Down in Devon from London and had planned the day out to Sidmouth to take my 6 year old daughter to see the Red Arrows for the first time. Only then for me to read this news about them the day before, and then they cancelled their show too. Very disappointing indeed.
Men and women working together.... Yea. We're finding out now why previous generations didn't.
In 1997 I was a part time cleaner ar RAF Cranwell. An 18 yr old Cleaner was placed in the next building to me, and while we waited for our transport to collect us she told me her experience. She had previouly cleaned the Red Arrows section, and had been harrassed and individuals pulled her skirt up which indimidated her. I was livid, and spoke to our Manager, who immediately told us he wouldn't place her there again, and put an elderly cleaner in that section. They had not been drinking, which is just another excuse to cover up. There may only be a few to blame, but I dont belive the rest of the team are unaware. As a team the rest should stand up and support the individual being harrassed, otherwise they are equally to blame. Those that are elite have big egos, and we all know what goes wrong in the world of VIPs, who feel they are above decency and law..... they need their mothers watching over them !! Caro
Tim:
1: The truth bombs scared the s!!t out of me at 1am when listening with headphones in, keep them bombs coming it made me laugh at myself for jumping
2: my professional experience of dealing with toxic work environments, I have found that:
2.1 usually caused by one or two individuals thinking they are above the rules and it not being nipped in the bud early.
2.2 most of the remaining team are resentful of those in 2.1 for their actions and unless something is done they then resent leadership too for allowing it to happen, performance and morale starts to drop
2.3 the good people are relieved when the people in 2.1 start getting disciplined /investigated/dismissed
2.4 it takes a long time to change the culture completely
2.5 management team need to be held to account for their actions usually with separate investigation and management plans alongside other investigations.
2.6 resolving it is very intensive and difficult To deal with but for such a highly regarded and high profile team, the benefits massively outweigh the costs
2.7 don’t be afraid to suspend the teams activities until resolved, it immediately stops the ‘I’m too important’ ego
And puts power and control back in the right hands.
2.8 you will have to have difficult and brutal conversations. If people can’t or won’t have them , get them removed.
2.9 Be prepared for it to get real
Messy real quick.
I do hope the reds get sorted soon, I’ve spent ten years telling my daughter she could be a pilot with them…I’ve stopped saying that to her this year.
This struck a chord with me, I've worked in motorsport for many years, I've seen and been in teams where bullying was rife, especially for young team members, I've been singled out for standing up against it and ended up being forced out.
As you say it was only one or 2 who'd were responsible, but others, even though they expressed their concerns to me in private, wouldn't stand up to them, instead they'd join in to avoid the being singled out, the attitude of management was this was part of the banter, I did try to explain there is a line between banter and bullying.
This culture isn't in every race team, I've worked in many since where it would not be tolerated and I've seen people kicked out immediately if they were caught doing anything like that. Still plenty of banter, piss taking, and people being boisterous and letting off steam, but if someone felt it was going too far they'd feel able to go and talk to management and things could be dealt with, although its often self policing, with other team member reigning in those whose behavior is unacceptable.
I was in Masuas with Nick Critchel. Absolutely devastated for him that his dream that he was living was caught up in this mess and he felt he had to walk away.
Worse that his image is appearing in these articles with such headlines. His wife and kids also have this mess to deal with.
I dont know the inner details but I'd suspect for the institution something seriously wrong was being covered up in this :(
"Isolation" - they don't include me. "Harassment" - they include me.
Tim - one correction. You absolutely can fly as an 8 - we practiced and rehearsed it many times. The smoke plan changes and the radio calls, and of course it looks weird and out of balance for most of the 1st half - but there's no reason to dismiss two if one must go. See my point?
Thanks Christian, I thought that you'd only fly an 8 for a single show because of illness but not a whole season - I stand corrected.
1:50 absolutely hilarious.
I wonder if the blue angels or the usaf falcons are run the same way?
Not my Country Special Units can't be compared but I was in a Special unit we were told we were the Best of the Best in our Service. Top Secret Clearance given. To become a member for 2 years but I was so good at it 2 men and myself spent 4 years doing it out of 120 people not counting support Staff. I understand the Respect for Squadron Traditions, Standards of all things like Recruitment and Biggest of all Tradition of Standards for Training. Including the approved Mental induced Special Designed Programs to weed out the weak and unstable. The Goal is to find them quick and fast and get rid of them. If you have ever been in any unit like I am talking about you Understand what I just said more then others because you lived it. You went through it. You respected it. You excepted it. You learned from it. You adapted to it's structure and became part of it and you came out on the other side of it standing tall. If you betray any of this Afterwards. The Unit Institution starts to fall apart. People that Betray the Tradition of Honor and Service to the Squadron need to be moved out fast. If they are not you will Face all out Failure of the Elite Special Units ability to function at its peak ability. What happens in your Unit stays in your Unit. Wokeness kills all of this. If you don't earn the right to be given the Privilege to become a member of it, You are nothing but a token put in place like a dog and pony show at a Circus.
The refugees are going to fly them.
Surely it's only a matter of time before the reds are replaced by a rainbow fleet of Hawks. damn better not give them any ideas
In this day and age the Red Arrows are a thing of the past. These aircraft and the accompanying crews that follow them around are too expensive for the taxpayer , a bit like the hangers on in the Royal Family.
Oops! Sorry about my Mrs complaining about the bomb noises 🤣🤣🤣
She did in fairness lift off the sofa as the sound reverberated through our sound system 🤣
😂😆😂👍
Suddenly Saudi Arabia is looking sensible
True.
Ex Army heli pilot told me worst thing is to have an attractive wife on barracks married quarters. Seems the heli pilots had a drinking culture.
Old Lightning pilot told me about the drinking culture in RAF, you weren't a man if you hadn't had a skin full, one assumes it's different these days...? Another how they would ship wine from France in Hunter pods.
Yep while I was in there was a massive drinking culture in the RAF but it was usually binge drinking at a dining in/out or a Friday night bar call. Those who drank too much and spent all their free time in the bar were viewed with a degree of suspicion....especially if they were combat vets. Alarm bells would ring and responsible senior leaders on a station would be asking questions about possible PTSD and the use of alcohol to (badly) manage ongoing symptoms.
Jesus any pilot who flew the 'Frightening' needed to be pissed. The first time I flew solo I shit myself,
2 were called back from the Blackpool airshow. Has this got something to do with that?
Having watched the reds most years, feeling proud to be British when I see them (and still do - always a goosepimple moment)! - I have to say something has struck me in this years commentary - I'm not sure what it is but there is a line from Red 10 - it sounds so corny, so odd, just not quite right. Almost cringy...... I'm not sure why but it does sound odd. The line is along the lines of "The red arrows motto is Eclat, which means excellence, it's a motto we strive to achieve in everything we do - and as such we strive to leave the team in a better place than when we joined" - on the face of it - perfectly cool but during this year's displays its just sounded....odd, the tone all of it! Aeroview filmed the Reds at Eastbourne this year, may be able to watch and hear it back there.
Sadly it looks like Culture wars have hit a national icon - Liz got it over the last couple of years I suppose it's their turn now. End of the day these are normal guys with normal feelings and also suffer with the normal human condition - still a bunch of absolute legends I reckon.
In other news - outstanding airmanship from Red 6 yesterday after the bird strike. Outstanding aviating & teamwork from a colleague getting the Hawk down safely - that was one destroyed bird in the back seat.
Gregor did well, would have been one hell of a moment that bird strike was collosal.
Isolation has to be, sending someone to Coventry, Shirley?
Good point, thanks John.
The black and tan arrows will be amazing ❤️🙏
Well said Tim. you should lead our country.
But then I would make us all own rabbits and we'll all need to drive Audi RS4s and only 10,000 (there were more rabbits made) were made so there are some issues to my leadership prospects :)
The Reds are in a horrible mess. Sack the lot and start again?
Hi Mr. Tim,
I am a British Indian looking to join the RAF. I don't like discrimination of any kind, I believe people are qualified they deserve to have this job. Also do you have any tips for the role of pilot because currently there are very limited slots each year. If do make I don't want to be about the color of my skin, I want it to be about my education and skill. Thank you sir have nice day
Apply to both the RAF and the RN at the same time - I'm sorting it out and, when you are in the Services, nobody sees colour, they just see ability - best of luck, Mitten.
Some points to consider.
Why would a woman NOT feel out of place in a male dominated, oriented and driven sub- society, where men have hewn a culture of objective professionalism from warfare and the military defence of a country?
And when this factor has been realised by a woman of today's culture, touting and promoting the strong, independent female stance amongst men, opportunity and circumstance provide those individuals with an over- compensated feeling of injustice. An urge to right a moral wrong, regardless of fact and historical confirmation....
Or is it because men and women are just different.
And the current MSM "thing" of women ousting men from traditional testosterone causes must litter our lives. Like some rabid runway denial munitions pack, indiscriminate and lethal to all who tread there.
You have It One.
Excellent, excellent straight talking / reporting. No BS, i only wish reporters would report in such style.
I was in the RAF many, many years ago and look back fondly of my time there. In true 'old man' style I would bring back National Service, but for five years, not three, as you can hold your breath for three and five would instil the change that would make the individual a better person than when they went in. Thats my penny worth, for what it's worth...
@@j.e.s.bradshaw8401 No they don't, you must be sadly delusional should you think otherwise. Reporters of ALL news papers or news broadcasters are edited by their chief editor who is directed to report in whatever political flavour the owner wants...
Still think reporters tell the truth... The vast news reported is just slight truths blended with their particular propaganda...
@J.E.S. Bradshaw --- well this individual replied with some 'tosh' a couple of times... and oh the arrogance of the replies. I think (s)he thought better of it or re-read the answers and decided they came across badly so deleted their comments.... oh well.
It’s sad and it’s really sad when one gets killed
Yes very strange times .No I want them ,.,.- yey Thnks You are doing good things and on the right side off history
If you an age to not get rubbed out .goodluck
I wouldn't give any credibilities to daily mail, express or any British mainstream media.
Isolation, I imagine, will be sending someone to Coventry.
Thank you, Dave - good point.
Absolutely epic Tim, yet again. Massive amount of (quite rightly) negative finger pointing at some of the team and its leadership. Curious as to how the remaining 7 are functioning. Massive amount of negative PR, potential to feel that they are all being tarred with the same brush. The guys that wear the ECLAT badge with pride, that put the extra effort and time in during the final days de-brief, that cheerily dine with the team of an eve with a diet coke and go to bed early as they have 3 trips to do tomorrow with potentially a new pilot in the back. I would love to know how this is affecting them, it really can't be helpful trying to fulfil a boyhood dream thinking that the public might have lost faith in you because of the actions of a few.
Tim, can I get some advice please? My son has devoted his entire life towards the RAF. Worked jobs from 9, saved money to go to shows and camps, then joined the cadets, volunteered for the things no one else would and now (being white) he's wondering if they're gonna slam the door in his face because of his race. So he's considering, with a heavy heart, heading towards a less woke service. Or going private. But I know it's destroying him. What would you advise he do? He's from a working class background dozens of RAF, Army and SF in our Family but he's done everything, tries to speak properly, always talks about manners. I just don't know what to do other than advise him to keep pushing..
That is great advice, keep pushing - definitely put in an application tot he Royal Navy, look at the Army Air Corps too and do still apply to the RAF - I'm trying to get a civil case together to get all this Positive Discrimination accounted for so by the time he applies, he should be fine.
@@FastJetPerformance That's brilliant. Thanks Tim. You've really given us hope.
So are there many people connected that are trying to get this crap resolved?
It's difficult if one comes from the working classes to obtain a commission. Hence the many Sargeant Pilots in the second world war. I read some years ago of a fellow trying to join the RAF as a pilot, only to be turned down even though he had passed all the requirements... He went on to become a Fighter Ace in the Vietnam War, for the Royal Australian Air Force! So if you are unfortunate to be born white and of working class background, then that foor might be open to your son but I have heard rumors that even the Aussies have gone down the woke aganda? Best of luck to your son.
Saw Frecce Tricolori at RIAT and sorry to say, I think the Reds have lost the edge.
I watched the Reds Series on Channel 5 recently, and I was surprised at how long some of the members have been on the team. As an ex WRAF, my memory was that it was a three year tour. If members are kept in role for a long time then one would expect a "them and us" situation to evolve. when new members join. That's basic organisational behaviour stuff... Whether the RAF has the skills and intent to deal with this, is the question. It is unforgiveable if they don't as understanding human psychology is part and parcel of being a successful pilot.
As to the point that indecent exposure is possibly just someone taking off their clothes at a Friday night beer. Is that a good night or a very dysfunctional relationship with acohol? And why in that context is it ok and not deemed to be indecent exposure? By taking that approach then you are making the RAF a place where white men are predominent because they are the only ones who will be truly at home such a culture. I could say more as I have had my fair share of sexist, misogynistic behaviour directed at me (both in and out of the service) but just because it is hard for white middle class men to change, it doesn't make those asking for the change ie the rest of the population, "woke".
Excellent comment.
Well said 😊👍
The team displayed as a 6 at the Clacton air show yesterday!
one aircraft had a bird strike trough the front canopy at the start of the weekend!!
Sorry, mate. The reds THE top squadron? Nah. Not in my day (1970s 80s). They’re show-business, not serious warriors.
I've been watching the Red Arrows since 1997 I've never known the Red's to sack their own pilots... When I heard they'd be flying 7 jets this year I thought ''There's something not right here'' and thanks to you Tim you elaborated on the deep reasons behind it.
The Red's have been admired by other Air Forces around the globe hence why so many other nations have their own aerobatic teams, some of which are as old as the Red's themselves like La Patrouillle De France and Frecce Tricolori... but it all comes down to this... privitisation, sackings and of course the Top Brass... 😔
Your video is interesting. But you seem to focus on the pilots. Have you considered that this could be some of the junior women?
I did indeed especially with some of the 'misogyny' comments - the Reds don't hate women - I have to concentrate on the pilots with the info I have at this time but your comment is fair.
@@FastJetPerformance Misogyny isn't merely "hating" women, it's to do with the way the women in question are treated. Look it up.
I think we are seeing a clash of cultures here. You mention the over and under 35 thing. There is a new generation of young service people who have grown up with the identity, social justice, virtue signalling, always complaining culture, who will raise a complaint if you sneeze in the wrong direction. When this culture meets the more misogynist work hard, play hard, 'what happens in the mess stays in the mess' culture there is bound to be a clash. The fact that nothing has yet met the legal threshold suggests to me that this is a culture clash.....I'm not suggesting that the 'service test' hasn't been broken, and that behaviours need to 'modified', but the reason it has been exposed is the fundamental clash of world views. Something that is being played out more widely in our society today. Whose right? Whose wrong? Neither, and both!
Agreed, Phil - great comment.
STRONGLY AGREE 👍 Good comment & same behaviour being played out in every workforce. Often not helped by the new HR depts that have replaced personnel. HR slots a HUMAN into the job. Personnel slots the correct person into the position. IMO 🤷🏼♀️
@@sylvialarrad516 Agree, You are just a numbered RESOURCE now days, not a PERSON. A communist idea I believe, the corporation owns you!
So, affairs and sexual misconduct ... right or wrong ... or does that depend on where and when it happens? From one affected by 3 liaisons between people in positions of UK military moral, spiritual and leadership responsibility and none and one who once pledged their life to me before I served for 14 years in the Royal Air Force!
I am not without sin and I have no right to cast the first stone ... !
Big Reds fan, always enjoyed watching them at airshows so obviously this sucks big time. Did like the Michael Bay truth bombs in the last video though, good work!
Wanted to watch them yesterday at Sidmouth regatta but they cancelled due to 'engineering problems ' was looking forward to seeing them for months
The Reds do display as an eight-ship when needs be.
I think the armed forces are more or less about bullying hierarchies ,much like life in general , it's only when someone has had enough of being bullied decides to be a bully then everyone goes up in the air .
I don’t doubt personal discipline and standards are considerably lower than they were many years ago but the media, news papers etc exaggerate the smallest of rumours to the extreme. They’re just interested in sensationalism. Unfortunately people lap this up.
Went to watch them yesterday in Sidmouth bu they cancelled due to 'engineering problems '
How about reaction video to the "last tornado" 4k Mach Loop video?
run the vid at .75 speed and it's almost like a normal person.
Made me laugh - fair point!
Best jet I ever saw was me lying on corfu beach and the pilot flew right along the sand line bck in nineties when all the Bosnia etc was going on .
Pretty crazy listening to bombs going off while you’re having fun in the water park .
The Blue Angels are a '6' - that works and, how ! (United States Navy - 18" from canopy to wing-tip - try that Red Arrows....). I'm not knocking the Reds, but, as flying goes, it's all relative...
Yep and they had a major issue within the team that saw them get grounded and the boss getting sacked a while back!!!