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We, Jews (and all mankind), do not need to believe in Jesus or anyone dying for our sins because G-d says otherwise: Ezekiel 18:21-23 But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. 22None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live. 23Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live? You see Mike, you want to teach what the Bible says. Well we do to. But we start from the Jewish Bible, and work from there. Not from Jesus and work backwards. This is only logical. We trust G-d to keep his word, and that He will not change. Human sacrifice of any kind is forbidden in the Torah.
The passage in Ezekiel you mention actually teaches that each person will be judged based on their own sins, not those of their parents or children. You clearly do not understand your own religion if you dismiss the need of atonement for sin, the very heart of the Jewish religion for over a 1000 years of which Jesus fulfills with His sacrifice, something spoken of by the prophets and previewed through the sacrificial system practiced at the Temple. As for beginning with the Jewish Scriptures, please read the book of Hebrews in the New Testament for a comprehensive explanation of how the sum of the Jewish faith written about in the Hebrew Scriptures is fulfilled in Christ. Finally, to your point of human sacrifice of any kind not permitted in the Torah. The Law forbade human sacrifice as was practiced by the pagans (I.e. children offered to the god Molech) but permitted the sacrifice of one’s life, for example, if forced to worship an idol or coerced to engage in depraved sexual practice (I.e. beastiality). One could also sacrifice one’s life to save the life of another. How much greater a sacrifice, therefore, if one offered his life to save all mankind as Jesus did? - MM
BibleTalk.tv Thanks Mike...although your response is incorrect. No where in the Hebrew Bible does it say blood sacrifices are the only means of atonement for sin. In fact, any sin sacrifice is only valid for UNINTENTIONAL sins. What did the Jewish people do between the first and second temple? By your reasoning, Jesus should have come after the first Temple was destroyed? What did the Jews do absent sin sacrifice during that time? With regard to our verses in question, yes, each person will be judged for his own sins. This is called personal responsibility. Christianity instead teaches the following: I sin. But Jesus died for my sins, so it doesn’t really matter what I do, because I believe Jesus died for my sins, I will still go to heaven. This is the opposite of a loving and merciful Creator, who from the Jewish perspective has unlimited ability to freely forgive so long as the person does teshuva. If I hurt you, are you not able to forgive me? Or do you require someone else to pay the price for the wrong I did to you? This is Christianity. Has nothing to do with Judaism. I’ll leave you another verse to consider. Please read the context: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire- but my ears you have opened - burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require.” Psalm 40:6 NIV bible.com/111/psa.40.6.niv Speaking of Hebrews, it’s sad that whoever wrote Hebrews took the liberty to change G-d’s word to fit his theological purpose. To make it more Christological: “Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased.” Hebrews 10:5-6 NIV bible.com/111/heb.10.5-6.niv Last time I checked King David wrote Psalm 40, not Jesus. We aren’t blind to truth. We see lies a mile away. And that’s why we reject Christianity.
Danny, If you begin with the notion that Christ is not the Messiah then it is logical to see the Scriptures as you do. You certainly are not the first to do so. Paul, a Jewish Pharisee, well versed in the Hebrew Bible and trained by Gamaliel, spoke of your fellow Jews who argued in the way you do, by quoting Isaiah 6: "He said, “Go, and tell this people: ‘Keep on listening, but do not perceive; Keep on looking, but do not understand.’ “Render the hearts of this people insensitive, Their ears dull, And their eyes dim, Otherwise they might see with their eyes, Hear with their ears, Understand with their hearts, And return and be healed.” As for me, a Gentile, I was not called by the conviction that the prophets spoke of Christ, as you must hear but deny, but rather by the resurrection of Christ. It is the witness of the Apostles of this resurrection upon which my faith (and ultimately, your own) is based as Peter, who preached long before Paul, said: “Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know- this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death. But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power. For David says of Him, ‘I saw the Lord always in my presence; For He is at my right hand, so that I will not be shaken. ‘Therefore my heart was glad and my tongue exulted; Moreover my flesh also will live in hope; Because You will not abandon my soul to Hades, Nor allow Your Holy One to undergo decay. ‘You have made known to me the ways of life; You will make me full of gladness with Your presence.’ “Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. And so, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne, he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay. This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”’ Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ-this Jesus whom you crucified.” - Acts 2:22-36 As for your statement, "We reject Christianity" which you have repeated and made quite clear, even this has been spoken of from the very beginning: "Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit." - II Corinthians 3:12-18 MM
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We, Jews (and all mankind), do not need to believe in Jesus or anyone dying for our sins because G-d says otherwise:
Ezekiel 18:21-23
But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. 22None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live. 23Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?
You see Mike, you want to teach what the Bible says. Well we do to. But we start from the Jewish Bible, and work from there. Not from Jesus and work backwards. This is only logical. We trust G-d to keep his word, and that He will not change. Human sacrifice of any kind is forbidden in the Torah.
The passage in Ezekiel you mention actually teaches that each person will be judged based on their own sins, not those of their parents or children.
You clearly do not understand your own religion if you dismiss the need of atonement for sin, the very heart of the Jewish religion for over a 1000 years of which Jesus fulfills with His sacrifice, something spoken of by the prophets and previewed through the sacrificial system practiced at the Temple.
As for beginning with the Jewish Scriptures, please read the book of Hebrews in the New Testament for a comprehensive explanation of how the sum of the Jewish faith written about in the Hebrew Scriptures is fulfilled in Christ.
Finally, to your point of human sacrifice of any kind not permitted in the Torah. The Law forbade human sacrifice as was practiced by the pagans (I.e. children offered to the god Molech) but permitted the sacrifice of one’s life, for example, if forced to worship an idol or coerced to engage in depraved sexual practice (I.e. beastiality). One could also sacrifice one’s life to save the life of another. How much greater a sacrifice, therefore, if one offered his life to save all mankind as Jesus did?
- MM
BibleTalk.tv Thanks Mike...although your response is incorrect. No where in the Hebrew Bible does it say blood sacrifices are the only means of atonement for sin. In fact, any sin sacrifice is only valid for UNINTENTIONAL sins. What did the Jewish people do between the first and second temple? By your reasoning, Jesus should have come after the first Temple was destroyed? What did the Jews do absent sin sacrifice during that time? With regard to our verses in question, yes, each person will be judged for his own sins. This is called personal responsibility. Christianity instead teaches the following: I sin. But Jesus died for my sins, so it doesn’t really matter what I do, because I believe Jesus died for my sins, I will still go to heaven. This is the opposite of a loving and merciful Creator, who from the Jewish perspective has unlimited ability to freely forgive so long as the person does teshuva. If I hurt you, are you not able to forgive me? Or do you require someone else to pay the price for the wrong I did to you? This is Christianity. Has nothing to do with Judaism. I’ll leave you another verse to consider. Please read the context:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire- but my ears you have opened - burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require.”
Psalm 40:6 NIV
bible.com/111/psa.40.6.niv
Speaking of Hebrews, it’s sad that whoever wrote Hebrews took the liberty to change G-d’s word to fit his theological purpose. To make it more Christological:
“Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased.”
Hebrews 10:5-6 NIV
bible.com/111/heb.10.5-6.niv
Last time I checked King David wrote Psalm 40, not Jesus. We aren’t blind to truth. We see lies a mile away. And that’s why we reject Christianity.
Danny, If you begin with the notion that Christ is not the Messiah then it is logical to see the Scriptures as you do. You certainly are not the first to do so. Paul, a Jewish Pharisee, well versed in the Hebrew Bible and trained by Gamaliel, spoke of your fellow Jews who argued in the way you do, by quoting Isaiah 6:
"He said, “Go, and tell this people:
‘Keep on listening, but do not perceive;
Keep on looking, but do not understand.’
“Render the hearts of this people insensitive,
Their ears dull,
And their eyes dim,
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
Hear with their ears,
Understand with their hearts,
And return and be healed.”
As for me, a Gentile, I was not called by the conviction that the prophets spoke of Christ, as you must hear but deny, but rather by the resurrection of Christ. It is the witness of the Apostles of this resurrection upon which my faith (and ultimately, your own) is based as Peter, who preached long before Paul, said:
“Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know- this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death. But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power. For David says of Him,
‘I saw the Lord always in my presence;
For He is at my right hand, so that I will not be shaken.
‘Therefore my heart was glad and my tongue exulted;
Moreover my flesh also will live in hope;
Because You will not abandon my soul to Hades,
Nor allow Your Holy One to undergo decay.
‘You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of gladness with Your presence.’
“Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. And so, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne, he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay. This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”’ Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ-this Jesus whom you crucified.”
- Acts 2:22-36
As for your statement, "We reject Christianity" which you have repeated and made quite clear, even this has been spoken of from the very beginning:
"Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit."
- II Corinthians 3:12-18
MM