Russell Brand & Neil deGrasse Tyson Breakdown The Physical Realm VS The Spiritual Realm
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Tell me what you think!
I think i love intelligent dialogue..
You want him to submit/admit but he wont/cant.
perhaps Thich Naht Hanh would be a better conversation..
Fantastic back and forth man.
Im going to ask you make a get em to the greek 2 or another movie in that world. That movie. Those songs have helped me more then i could ever write in a youtube comment section. Your amazing and fantastic.
Cheers
Mike
I think Russel Brand is a remarkable human
Russel Brand looks like a guy who could've existed in any era
Anywhere from ancient Greece - now
He's a philosopher
i wonder about his ancestors
@Riina he's direct descendant of Plato
He is clearly from every era, time traveler
He's got long hair and a beard. That's all.
These two are setting the example of what people conversing with different idea's should sound like.
I think we are safe from Donny listening to this conversation.
I was just about to say. nice to hear people with different viewpoints actually having a civilised conversation from a position of mutual respect
Sleeping sheeples 💤💤
Look up street epistemology f you enjoyed that - I think Anthony Magnabosco is the current best at it, but there are many others already :)
That's because there is no urgency or real motive for either of them to change their beliefs and or trying to change/convince the other person.
I love who Russel Brand has become this last decade
Banging Katie Perry will humble a man 🤣
like hounding a nice old man to an early grave.........
a confused hippie messiah type figure with a severe attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and delusions of grandeur?
@@purefoldnz3070 Confused isn´t Russell. He´s like Michael Moore, and confused is the ideological reductionist view that you spew. Not quite able to avoid type stereotyping classifications or own your own control-oriented assumptions, so you project like a rookie Freudian analyst. Don´t loosen your tie except to down some hootch, clearly. Better check your 2005 World Bank-UNEP Ecosystem Assessment, since the IPCC reports obviously trigger more denialism in your DSM circuits. Try a little scholarly research about Ralph Nader to fry your martini sucking when you can.
@@robinhoodstfrancis No what I wrote was pretty accurate lol. Hippy messiah figure with delusions of grandeur. Sums up Russell Brand pretty well.
Russell Brand is the only person who can use 300 words to say ask a 10 word question!
how i wish my essays sounded
Kai greene...
I still haven't figured out if that's just his schtick, or if he does that to sound more intelligent /slash, get people to understand that he actually is more intelligent than the Russel Brand of 1999-2000 they might have first heard of him.
There's no denying he's a SMART guy. But he often seems to be biting off more than he can chew, ESPECIALLY in this example. Don't try and hang with NDT, bro... just ask your goofy questions and move along.
Have you heard of women?
He takes other things into context so he doesn't get misunderstood as he conveys his points. People could learn from that example, and Neil is doing the same thing. Can I ask you to write down a question he arrives at with the words preceding it, then your shortened version? I would like to try and break down the differences.
Science and Spirituality are just two ends of the same stick
One looks inwards for answers, the other looks outwards.
In the middle is the mind.
S P No.
😯👍🏼
And the other difference is science actually works.
@@chromaxetian496 Yes, and the other explores the mind. Different functions.
@@chromaxetian496 You heard of the 'scientific' term 'placebo effect'..? Or the atom bomb?
Only a sith deals in absolutes
Reminds me of college days sharing deep philosophical ideas with friends at 2AM. I much enjoyed watching two very articulate communicators explore topics from very different perspectives without judgement , condemnation, or name calling. The world could use a lot more of this.
I need two friends like this to just sit around with on the wkend and have discussions like this without anyone turning beet red...
Lol
@Captain Nivia FACTS
The problem is, my friend makes fun of me for believing in god
@@LemonGoofball you need friends that believe in compassion reguardless
I definitely agree there. I can't have a conversation with my friends without them getting red in the face. Some of the stuff I talk about rubs their religious feathers the wrong way.
Neil Degrasse Tyson keeps blowing my mind. He said something once about how our need to convert all of our thoughts into languages actually imposes limits on the ideas we are able to have. Something like that not quoting verbatim but anyway it certainly got me thinking.
You think so. How else are we gonna communicate thoughts. Also you can have infinite combination with words so you can describe everything
@@enviouslawn1665 I think you're confusing infinite with finite there ;p We don't have infinite amount of words, therefor you won't get an infinite amount of combinations. Also, you cannot use any word next to another. Which also lowers the combination. On top of that, we even lack words. We just don't know it yet. This is why language is an ever evolving thing. Language does limit your thoughts, because you think in them.
If you want to blow your mind listen to Terence Mckenna.
He's right, there are words and phrases that represents emotions that other languages describes that we cant and vice versa. There are emotions i feel and images that I see in my dreams that I couldn't even attempt to explain using the words that I have at my disposal. Search people trying to describe their trips on salvia or dmt.
a lot of people claim that drawing (but likely art in general) helps you see the world in new ways. da vinci is a good example of this for sure
Never thought I'd see these two together
Malik Mclean that's what I love about Russell. He allows equal time to those that think differently. Gives opportunity to those with different views to speak their minds. All without disruptive arguments trying to shove opinions down anyones throat. 🤗
Why did you think it was unusual? Russell is not the antithesis of Tyson.
BUT WHO ARE THEY ON THEIR TEA HALF HOUR, NEVER HEARD OF THEM !!!!.
@@lizardas But Tyson is the antithesis of Russell. He treats science like a religion, while constantly degrading philosophy and thinking religion is the source of tribalism rather than a necessary precursor to science. In other words he "knows" a lot of things, but doesn't really think about a lot of things.
@@Bisquick he's a child of the Matrix. The earth is flat ... Science is a religion ... Medicine is poison
His words spill out as quickly as his brain formulates them. I'm jealous. My words just don't come that quickly. I have the thoughts, but I can't speak that quickly. It's a gift. And he's poetical and lyrical to boot.
I was gunna say the same thing. Its incredible.
I think it is because he is in peace. There were little moments in my life were i felt so in peace that my thoughts and my conclusions could come out easily.
That is my theory.
I noticed it especially in this one too. I’m getting the feeling that it’s about trust. You just trust that the words falling out will make sense, seems as if from a state of no-mind. Awesome
Smoke some weed
practice
Wow. This does remind me of a quote: there are known knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknowns
But none of it is unknowable!
That's an amazing quote though
you forgot, Unknown knowns
@nutflixx knowception
@@BeauInGrace that doesn't make sense.
no, known unknowns, things you know that you don't know. unknown knowns is a different matter
"The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of existence." -Nikola Tesla
Science studies non physical stuff all the time. We just keep not finding any evidence for anything. As a linguist, I see brains doing brain things. All the time. Including praying, meditating, singing, calculating, etc. and there is no evidence that love has any different effect on the brain.
There is evidence for, say, meditation. It works. It a actually effects the active brain, in such a way that we can see grown of the hippocampus, and can see a change in brain wave function. So now, the effects of meditation are beginning to be known, and its moving out of the woo place.
We study anything people say they think exists. Ghosts, esp, cpsuperconciousness.
Those that are real, we might be able to describe.
So Tesla, in his own state to, is being deliberately biased. Science does exactly what he claims science should do.
Tanya Nguyen modern science is a cult nothing is factual or true,it’s all theories which are mostly know debunked yet still get taught in schools,colleges and universities.
It’s pretty sad
Ladles of gravy - I don’t believe in blanket, “trust me” statements. Please list some of these theories which have been debunked in moder science, andwho did the debunking.
Evolution? Atomic theory? Star formation? Germ theory? Particle theory? Thermodynamics? Fluid dynamics? Gravity? Relativity? Radiation theory?
Tanya Nguyen
Here’s just one for the starters.
If you wanna read his papers on it,it’s by dr oleg jefimenko
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Tanya Nguyen particles theory
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I’d love to see Russell Brand and Eckhart Tolle
Yaaaaasaaas!
It would be an epic struggle between unbridled thought and motion vs. unwavering power stares and low-talking... I'd pay big money to see that!
I think there is a video on this, I know Russell has great respect for Eckhart Tolle & has quoted him & nods to him as a catalyst for his spiritual metamorphosis
yeah man. they are like chalk and cheese but it would be interesting
Yes
I love how he gets people on who think differently. It makes for enlightening conversation
deGrasse Tyson: "There's a difference between not knowing something and declaring something is IN PRINCIPLE unknowable" Wow! This is why I love this guy.
I absolutely LOVE this train of idealism, science, passionate, yet understanding debate. Two people, whom I consider highly intelligent, just having a plain discussion of things known, and sometimes not known but felt....
They're actually listening to one another and using their logic and reason....and sometimes experience beyond understanding to attempt to gain "KNOWLEDGE" and "TRUTH"....
Nothing gets better than this!!!!!
If only political debates had this passion, this goal.....an attempt to discern truth and understanding....for the betterment of mankind (womankind)……
Perhaps the best thing about this and the other video I just watched is their conscious ability to try and remove their biases in order to reach further for the truth...
Once again.....this type of interaction.....this type of journey....
It doesn't get better than this....
We NEED more of this.....
Shawn Chamberlain 🔥💯🔥
Totally agree. If you have any videos you'd recommend to someone who found this enlightening, please share! One love
Is it possible to say humankind or humanity? Because I want to avoid these bias towards man in language as well?
@@Sjahko_ Y'know the word man is in the word woman, right? You know the world male is in the word female too, right? Stop focusing on the letter and focus on the meaning. Mankind refers to the huMAN race: both sexes.
I Couldn't Of Put It Better Myself 🙏🌟
Tyson is learning to listen without interrupting. I think that Joe rogan interview made a difference
what interview
He was just high there, it's just how it works for him.
Neil is the interviewer here, so it's natural he listens more. The interviewer is interrupted, not the interviewee. After all the interviewee is who we all came to see so he's allowed to talk as much as he wants up to and beyond the point of interruption. Still following me?
Paul Freedman no
@@exister4959 gud :)
When heart and brain have a conversation
@david holdsworth aff that buckie bro it's no good fr ye
When two puppets exchange their rotten nails, JUST for the herd
@david holdsworth Praise the sun-Skyrim
david holdsworth yeah man people don’t seem to realise all the information is out there on the internet, ignore all these scientists and well educated people who’ve spent their entire lives studying the universe we live in, just watch a conspiracy video on TH-cam and you’ll see the truth. Yeah gravity is a myth we are held to the earth by the arms of invisible aliens who grab each one of us at birth and keep us on the ground. Australia doesn’t exist, the earth is flat, the royal family are lizard people, 9/11 was done by the illuminati lizards and the space wizard who rules us all is laughing at you fools who believe the earth could possibly be round. Wake up people this is a simulation.
I married my wife listening wholly to my heart with little use of brain.
The 2% idea completely changed my thinking regarding life on other planets!! I loved this open discussion. Thank you Russell!
We might not get it but AI will.
But why only stop at 2%?
But why only stop at 2%?
Everything inside consciousness nothing is outside
Watching and listening to these two brilliant men felt like a nature hike for my spirit. This was really refreshing and healing to MY conciousness. Thank you.
Sell your tv
You will feel free
Just realize that they are not all that brilliant. There might be a 100K people smarter than these two. They are unique in the way that they can make science understandable to high school graduates. THAT is their redeeming value.
This is the best NDG interview I’ve seen - he was really lucid and on his game in this one. Credit to Russell for pushing him on some of those ideas and getting him to open up. Well done Rusty!
I agree, I really liked him on this one.
Life as we know it did you even listen to him here? That’s not at all what he’s saying. Tyson is really open-minded. I’ve heard many interviews of Neil entertaining the likes of aliens, time travel, even simulation theory. He just doesn’t jump to conclusions, he’s a cool dude though.
Stephen Colbert interview is good too. This was before SC sold out.
@Life as we know it He is a science educator, NDT never claimed to be a scientist that actively publishes research papers. Most scientists are introverted and don't want to communicate their research publicly, which is why educators like NDT are important.
@@formulaintuition8756
Agreed
Finally someone who lets his guests speak
Cough Rogan! Cough :)
Chris Hardwick does that as well, even 'more', really amazing podcasts as well
Melvin van Galen
Finally you found someone is a more honest statement 🤜
@islanti Joe is about dumb as rocks tho let's be honest lol
Refreshing isn’t it! I think it’s rooted to his 12 step work (getting out of selfish mindsets) and meditation (slowing down reactivity), but maybe he always had a knack for listening! -love RB!
Another great interviewer is Lewis Howes - check out the school of greatness podcast.
Excellent podcast. I knew very little of Russell and in a sense couldn't have cared if I did. But this conversation changed that. I now have a decent level of respect for him, his intellect & his compassionate generosity. Thanks to you both
Tyson is being awfully respectful for something he doesn't believe at all.
Actually, he´s just showing showing the sweet side of arrogance and denialism in Scientism. Hey, ha, ha, graviity has just 4 books. Not like that woo "consciiousness" stuff. Yeah, "spiritual," it means different things tp everybody. Uh, and what about Psychology and Comparative Religion, or the Philosophy of Religion? The guy knows what he wants to do, but he doesn´t have a clue who knows a lot more than he does.
@@robinhoodstfrancis nahh u reaaching
@@robinhoodstfrancis you misunderstood him, especially on his point about consciousness. They both were talking about consciousness on a scientific level, Russel made the point that SCIENTISTS haven't figured it out yet, and Neil thoroughly backed up that point. Neil wasn't criticising or dismissing the spiritual viewpoint of consciousness at all, he was literally criticizing science's lack of advancement in that particular field. OP was right, Neil was awfully respectful and as someone who loves science as much as spirituality that made me happy
@@tjr6900 Nahh. I´m telling it like it is. You bending down to science like a street kid at a car store window.
@@MrFlameRad Neil was respectful? Because he´s a polished showman and not overtly rabid like Dawkins in this exchange with Brand? . You love spirituality and science? I have loved them for decades, and have been studying the likes of Templeton prize winners so that now I have already developed an understanding worthy of SJ Gould´s "Magesteria" and F Capra´s General System´s Theory. You like Tyson´s likeable style, and want to believe that he wouldn´t say something poorly informed and crassly uninformed? His reducing spirituality to "scientific knowledge" in this exchange is naive, and a quick search turns up confirmation of his deeper Scientism. He has said things like, "If you believe the Christian story of Jesus, you can´t call Scientology crazy" and "When I look at the universe and all the ways the universe wants to kill us, I find it hard to reconcile that with statements of beneficence." So you know, "Crazy" is not an adequate term for Jesus, nor is it discreetly made for careful analysis of much relevant information about anything like shamanic and religious experience. "Wants to kill us" personifies the Universe non-scientifically, and shows Tyson to be functionally illiterate in historical sociology, since Science itself has arisen through elements of that "beneficence" embodied in Jesus´ life, mission, and message. Tyson is a showman and Scientism ideologue who has no appropriate knowledge of even the scientifically measured benefits of meditation. As for you, who "loves science and spirituality," your "love" is not quite that well-informed, you need to know. Here´s a good clue for your path, Science needs to be understood as a form of Philosophy, Religion needs to be understood more widely through Philosophy, General Systems Theory puts all forms of modern Philosophy in perspective, and Religion´s underlying spirituality and basis for modern Philosophy more widely laid out. That´s what I can do. You try to make sense of that instead of sucking up to celebrity gossip opinionators abusing, misusing, and confusing their credentials and involvement with Science as if Astronomy were Divine Love itself.
And THAT’s why Neil is the best communicator of science. His beautiful use of language to fundamentally explain nature is uncontested by anyone alive today.
he is , without doubt, a complete shill - spreading misinformation, a traitor to humanity
givorget such empty statements only reveal your ignorance.
DjRenect Overstated.
Chris Dragotta if you don’t agree with an opinion its a common custom to counter a statement with an argument to back yours.
Doesn't he use this ( practically verbatim) pitch in most of his podcast discussions nowadays. (Talking bout Neil)
"I can measure things your body doesn't even know is going on in front of you right now."
Boom!
The body wouldn't know. Cleverly worded statement.
Your “life without drugs” essay shook me when I read it in 2013. I remember sharing it with certain people in my life that also benefited from your effort in writing it. So Beautifully written. You articulated something so many have failed at. It was perfect. Honest. Thoughtful. You surprised me and I’ve been a fan since. NDT is one of my hero’s. Many more science educators out there killing it....Brian Green, Brian Cox, StarTalk, spacetime from PBS on TH-cam, Bill Nye, etc...you get the point😊
Without A Doubt Articulated Genius,I Love Learning From Someone Who Doesn't Profess To Know Everything ⁉️
I don’t think that people realize how available, and valuable Noam Chomsky is, and I think that you, Russell Brand, could introduce him ( and all of his work) to a new audience. We’re so fortunate in that he is still with us at age ninety. He’s refreshingly frank about the value of love and his own interpersonal life. Furthermore, he is a scientist. Thanks ❤️
Indeed. Perfect fit for both science and love.
also a commie
@@mBobbleHatGaming - Yer a commie.
@@mBobbleHatGaming He's an anarchist
Bobble HatGaming I smell straw men
By far my favorite Tyson interview to date. You are an amazing host and just gained a huge fan. Thanks for that!
Thinking the exact same thing while watching this..
Wonderful crossover. Two great minds,wouldn't have expected to see this. its so great to see a spritual person and a scientist like these two have a civil discussion about such a complex topic.
You mean two spiritual people and one scientist.
@@girlplanetboy i dont know if you mean they are both spiritual and one happens to be a scientist or you are referring to a third person
Jacob Caruana don’t even bother mate, I get what you are saying
@@mpuondak421 worth a try lol
I agree wholeheartedly. Although I definitely think more like Tyson I still think Russell is a great interviewer.
Our awareness is the evidence. The only thing eternal is our awareness.
I feel like they were having two different conversations lol
Tyson subliminaly was avoiding Russels question because he is wrong to proclaim that humans have the capacity to know everything that is to know. We are a product of reality and we are bound by rules, limited by senses...
Sofian Daoudi good observation! Got me questioning tyson🤔
That one part especially where NDGT was talking about senses and how if someone were to tell him that they had ESP and he would one up them because he had scientific sensors capable if 12 different senses. How does that even compare? Like if someone were to accurately and demonstrably predicted the immediate future then that would disqualify a lot of scientific work. Then it would be difficult to like NDGT actively circumvent the glaring question of how to explain the unnatural using natural laws.
Sofian Daoudi he didn’t say that. He said he wasn’t convinced humans couldn’t figure everything out. Not the same thing.
Ephraim Kelemu what exactly do you mean by the unnatural? Do you mean it like artificial? As in something humans make? Or do you mean something that is not a part of the natural world? Would a concept be something you would consider unnatural?
Neil: The human senses are demonstrably ill-equipped to take measure of the totality of the physical universe
Buddha: Hold my rice pudding
moonchart human beings in general can’t that’s why most ppl are livestock
Hahah true
I can watch these two have conversations all day
Honestly, I didn't think much of you when all I knew was your movies. After some time and seeing interviews with you, I learned how you were much more than I ever thought and quite an intelligent man. I have for some time now love seeing you speak. It is always so revealing and thought-provoking. Thank you for this video.
Thank you Mr Brand. I am a fan of Tyson and I enjoyed being enlightened by this conversation. I hope you continue to interview people who challenge our perspective of life like him. Thank you
Tyson is a paid Shill
L 🌎 L
A fan of Neil the ass Tyson?
Talk about shooting low.
@@mysticnomad3577 what's wrong with Tyson?
@@michael_leclezio he is an actor that thinks he can prove the theory of gravity by dropping microphones.
He also says the earth is an oblate spheroid or is pear shaped contradictory to all the images we've seen showing the earth as a perfect sphere. (It is neither)
Frankly anyone that claims they know about space or space travel is just talking out of their ass.
Neil just does it the best.
I hope this answers your question.
@@mysticnomad3577 I suppose you know better about space that Tyson? And you do a better job at educating the public and dispersing ignorance? Please, share.
Everybody’s Right ! A lovely conversation with a lot to discern for viewers with all kinds of perspectives and views on reality. It’s truly beautiful to see the conversations that’s birthed when these two brilliant minds come to together 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 gratitude for em both !
Russel vs Rogan vs DeGrass, all talking at the same time i need to see it
@Tyler Winningham Neil has
Itch nay on the Rogan nay
Let's add Jesse Lee Peterson...
Add alex jones
@@KittyCow he's too dumb sorry
My 13 year old had had many questions about the next experiences after death. I automatically went to creation. After I started to talk for better part of a hour, he spoke. He said: "Dad if you want to believe in make believe I'm all for you and your thoughts." "But I don't need a storybook answer." After he said that I started to think. My father answered those same questions with the same silly answers. Then my boy looked at me and said:" Do you believe what you just told me?" Humbled I told him actually no. So he took 3 hours out of his time exposing me to facts proof and evidence. After he was done my boy hugged me and told me to seek and I shall find. The proof is out there. Thank you son!
Dennis Cassidy How is a science that is incapable of getting one person to the next planet over... somehow capable of discerning if the ENTIRE UNIVERSE {or reality itself} is the creation of intelligent design? Hmmm. 🔥🤔🔥
Gravity existed WELL BEFORE your infantile science was capable of providing “empirical evidence” of its existence... the same can be said of intelligent design...
I respect the agnostic position of “I don’t know”... but for an atheist to proclaim intelligent design isn’t real... how do they know? Seems to me that most so-called atheist are nothing more than butthurt cynical contrarian nobodies.
And your so called “burden of proof” applies whenever an atheist makes a proclamation that “there is no intelligent design”... well where’s the proof that there is no intelligent design? That’s a two way street, dipsh*t.
And the scientific LAW of thermodynamics/conservation of energy states that energy cannot be created or destroyed... only transferred... so even if you don’t believe in concepts like the “spirit/soul”, the thermal/electrical energy that makes up a person doesn’t just go “lights out” per the scientific law... and science can’t even define what consciousness is, much less determine if consciousness is retained after the death of the physical body.
Did your interstellar spaceship help you peruse the universe... making it possible for you to rule out the possibility of intelligent design? Where is this light-speed traveling interstellar vehicle that you are hiding from everyone? Where is the research from every visited galaxy that helps you rule out the possibility of intelligent design... of the ENTIRE UNIVERSE? 🔥🤔🔥
and how do you know that the interpretation of “hell/heaven” isn’t going to another dimension of existence? How do you know that “demons/angels” aren’t interpretations of inter-dimensional beings? [your science postulates the existence of at least 9 different dimensions] Do you have a vehicle that is capable of inter-dimensional travel, that makes it possible for you to rule out the possibility? 🔥🤔🔥Yeah I’m guessing, Probably not...
And without picking apart millennia old INTERPRETATIONS of #intelligentDesign what arguments do you so-called atheist really have? 🔥🤔🔥
I love this conversation. Subconscious is the bridge that will unite these two realms, that touches the known and the unknown.
🎯🎯🎯
Let’s just agree that Russel Brand and Neil DeGrasse Tyson has different view of unknown.
Russell and Neil please PLEASE create an animated series called "Timmy the Alien"
?
In essence Brand is talking about what makes him feel good, NDT is talking about what actually exists.
Thank science that I wasn't rubbing crystals to beat my colon cancer last month. Lol side note I appreciate these two sitting down and having a conversation.
this keanu reves bro knows how to have a conversation and understand it. he is far better than most tv hosts who get lost after 2 sentences
Where do u see keanu reeves?
Correct
Hallucinating Keanu can't be a bad thing
John Wick
@@retrospecative2454 You know, the bloke who did this video
"Declaring something is, in principle, unknowable...in the history of what it is to know stuff...Does not support the contention that there are things that are unknowable." BOOM. Exactly.
Dartagnan Magic 💜
Ahhh so profound.....
Not true. Neil's a knobhead
@@CakeAstronach You were the troll Stu that lived in my nan's shed yeah?
@Chris Manzi what about it?
The fact that our senses, taste, touch, smell, sight, I'm not adequate must be the best argument I've heard so far for the experimentation of DMT
im confused. Are you saying DMT gives you extra senses?
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Just listening to this conversation was extremely pleasurable.
What else were you going to do, jump into it?
Fucking accurate
I feel like Russel Brand’s videos are the next piece in my beautiful path I have been on and am on. I have been avoiding getting too into Russel because I wasn’t ready, I am ready!!!
The unknown is truly what drives our species forward. As human we've always asked; why, what, how, when and where.
Eremon1 sometimes it drive society into madness for this that question the physicality of our universe
We call the answers to these questions 'knowledge'. For example the question 'WHY? ' . The answer is some cause that happened in the past i.e the cause and the effect. The answer to the effect is the cause. So our knowledge is based on cause and effect which is of course the product of our perception of time i.e past, present and future. So if there exists something beyond our perception of time, then that cannot be reduced to knowledge coz of the above stated reasoning. So it must be a state with out a question and without an answer.
man that neil alway blows my mind with how intelligent and approachable he is. you can tell that he is an honest and diligent individual. thanks for doing this russel
A universal language,
beyond intellect,
where the heart
sing's softly...in silence.
"Know thyself" - Socrates.
But you are not able to recognise that mathematics is the langauge of the universe and not your heart. let your brain engage with the real evidence because as you know physics is everything.
@@ministryofarguments3525 mathematics is the language of the physical universe. What I am trying to convey is beyond physics, a universe which can only be felt.
@@ministryofarguments3525 consciousness cannot be wholly explained by physics, so here comes the immaterial/ non-physical which open to the field of metaphysics.
@@simpleguy38 Well the last time I checked there is no positive evidence for any 'willo the wisp' characterisation so nothing worth bothering about. Can you identify any neural activity with your philosophical metaphysics?
@@wendylady69 So you believe that there is another universe beyond our physical universe that you are totally immersed in? Is that a part of a multiverse? How do you know this?
It's kinda cute how Russell is so expressive with his arms.
he's just one big cutie pie
Isn’t it strange that our consciousness can understand so much of the universe yet seems to be incapable of understanding itself.
Not really, its kind of like how an animal can understand the world around it ,but if it looks into a mirror it has no idea that its looking at itself
Wow you really think we understand the universe?? 90% of your "accepted model" of the universe is based on theoretical physics. And when observations don't match the theory they simply change the formula. Smh
Know thyself
That's why prophets and guru's instruct us to know ourselves.. Find yourself #selfrealisation
This is life's only true goal IMO
@@elementop6847 exactly
Isn’t it amazing how a forklift can lift things, but can’t lift itself. Wow!
It’s nice to see clear thinking unmotivated by politics or a desire to make people believe what you believe. Just people trying to get to the bottom of things by working with each other.
This was a perfect interview both views elegantly put without interruption from the other person. 👍
He said that the fact we have scientific instruments let us transcend the 5 senses but every single scientist is still experiencing the information from the instruments through their 5 senses...so Russell brands point still stands
Hey Russell. Thanks for this video, (and for your videos and talks on recovery from addiction). We need more conversationals such as this one. I have at least one question I'd love to ask experts in science, medicine, spirituality, etc. I would love to ask him about the placebo effect in healing and how that may relate to mind-body connection, and then maybe later what that implies about mind and matter. If you speak with him again, perhaps you can ask that? Thank you either way. ❤
A lot of people seem jealous/resentful of Russell Brand; maybe because he's a working-class man who dares to not be limited by his 'class' and holds intelligent opinions. He's incredibly articulate, lyrical really in the way he expresses himself, compassionate, as he would put it, sincere.
finally a spiritual person that makes sense. Loved the conversation.
Knowing and not knowing is a spiritual state and that I can know this is awareness of consciousness.
As usual, Neil is speaking as people say these days, "facts." He is very good at touching on and explaining very specific inquiries with entertaining precision. The 2% perspective is magnificent. I loved this interview. I certainly try to keep in the realm of the unknown or at least as close to the edge of it as I can manage. Which spiritually, I refer to as the Tao, borrowing from Taoist philosophies. The realm of knowledge is so vast that there is always something unknowable to be known should you be looking. Interestingly enough this is the first time Neil has said something I disagree with. I think without those 5 senses to help fuel our imaginations we would not have the instruments that allow us to prove the theories of the micro and macro scales of the universe. Observations start and begin with them. We need eyes to see the cosmos. Without those senses we would be like Helen Keller trying to teach Helen Keller. So I think the senses play the most important role in making the unknown knowable. I didn't need a telescope or knowledge of known theories to inform my beliefs about the cosmos such as gravitional waves etc. I just needed to look at the ocean and hear blackholes exist. What I am trying to say is I don't think you can have true knowledge without understanding. Without our feelings/senses we would indeed be limited in our capacity for understanding.
Very well described. It is not the eye that sees, it is the visual brain region that receives the seen objects via nerves to build a new neural network, incorporating the seen objects into the existing knowledge. Which creates a mental map of known things, constantly integrating new pieces of the puzzle. Similarly, not the ears hear the sounds, it’s the brain that interprets the sounds,on the basis of what it knows about sounds. This is true for all physical senses. The brain can only make sense of what it knows already and construct new knowledge only by putting it together with what is already familiar. This is missing in the conversation, we cannot know what is not familiar to our brains and what our senses cannot make sense of. We would literally not sense it even if we encountered it each day because it would not be processed by the brain.
How do we know UV light exists even if we don’t see it? Because we could develop instruments that translate light waves into visual scales to understand it. We constantly need to develop things that can translate phenomenons into sth we can perceive with our 5 senses, otherwise we cannot handle them. This is why constructivism has already spread across all disciplines including neuroscience. Scientists in other spheres have long recognized that we cannot know the external world because our brains constantly translate all perception into some of the 5 senses so we can create a mental representation in our brains. It’s only in the sphere of natural sciences that people don’t understand it yet. They interact with matter, constantly missing to acknowledge that matter is always interpreted by the brain, which is limited by its senses and which needs to interpret everything on the basis of how it’s built. That’s why epistemology is the min important science of all, not physics, not maths or anything, it’s epistemology. Because it explains the limitations of our mental capacities and human perception, which are the base for scientific activity. If human perception is limited, nothing we ever measure can be total. And this is the reason another species can be 2%. BECAUSE our perception is totally limited by our brains.
I believe that what he Niel was saying here was that our sense on their own naked value could not make sense of the complex universe on their own. They have to be built on, refined, and adapted through engineering and ingenuity in order to gain a deeper understanding altogether. I don't think he was dismissing the 5 senses entirely
Tyson is the modern day Sagan. His scientific thinking is so deep it becomes transcendent. There is joy and contentedness in the thought that our current consciousness may never understand reality, but we continue to try.
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Russell you managed to get Neil Degrasse Tyson to say things off of the top of his head, in the moment :) not many people seem to be able to do that! Just a thought!
It's the 'jesus' hands
Honestly this is quite literally the best of both worlds.
to me at least!
i wish these two would continue to have more 'conversations' of this caliber to feed our brains :D
Russel Brand is a whole lot smarter than most of us. He just hides it mostly with his dark humor.
I believe there's room for both science and spirituality in our lives, one can help describe the other.
how?
@@kabistroskeptica6258 First you would have to define what spirituality is. Believing everything is connected is a spiritual view to some and ecosystems are literally connections, there you have points of view merging from different sources.
@@veganrican606 and to some people it has to do with souls and spirits which is not at all compatible with science. guess it depends on the definition.
@@kabistroskeptica6258 consciousness isn't compatible with science yet they acknowledge it. I don't get it .. this consciousness i think is connected to the dimension of this world and the spirit world. Spirituality makes sense and so does science.
A rather enlightening and respectful conversation between 2 guys who agree to disagree and yet both agree they are searching, Beautiful stuff
We need conversation sadhguru and Neil deGrasse Tyson
SADguru, another CONman.
@@PhoenixProdLLC have you met him or been to his place IYC or attended his programs , 😂😂😂or just saying that coz you don't like him😂😂😂or you have figured out a human being without meeting him or knowing his work , you are Sherlock Holmes 🤔😱😱😱😂😂😂
neil disgrace still pretends he lives on a flying spinning waterball - protip: get on Globebusters - the ground you stand on is not moving. water never curves.
@@worldspirit 😂😂😂what ?? Then How do you explain seasons and years then ??and a day ??
@@worldspirit I seriously hope you aren't that stupid. The ancients knew Earth wasn't flat thousands of years ago. An Indian sage even said Mars had water 1500 years ago. You flat Earth people are a sad joke. Lmao. Shit is hilarious.
Summary: NDT argues that Brand's concept of "The Spiritual Realm" is really a form of science we haven't figured out yet. What appears to be unknowable or sacred could simply be a limitation of human intelligence. However, he cautions us from drawing preemptive conclusions based off a biased observation (example: holy water dispelling a seizure, starts 8:25 ).
I’d love to hear what a “gut feeling” is/means? Scientifically and spritually
This is the bacterial biology of your body instigating a control over your mind. Your living ego from lives before lived to guide your spirit.
Well it's common knowledge among scientists now that consciousness is best understood as embodied and that there are literally neurons in your gut. Reason, rationality and judgement are not disembodied and abstract but based in feelings and the body. And to be fair, ancient spiritual traditions via things like meditation, breathing exercises, yoga, appear to have known this for a long time.
The inner Cheshire Cat' singing Lions and Tigers and Bears Oh my to Dorothy. lol
The neurons in your gut. It's a second brain
Culmination of innumerable minute empirical observations that suggest a course of action? Brain making stuff up? Cool thing is - we don't know!!!
Spirituality is based on an individual realization you can't sell it nor buy it,its soul purpose is elevating one to his/her higher self
Who knew Russell Brand is so intelligent. He has an incredible train of thought. I throughly enjoy listening to him. So enlightening. Of course NDT is my all time favorite scholar
Oh wow. This was incredible. I would watch this whole conversation in its entirety. Please upload! 🙏🏼
This is amazing. Two of the most open minded folks representing the two different brain hemispheres (so to speak) coming together to take us to the next paradigm. This discourse is a must if we are to have a constructive and liberating future.
Lol. Neil is renowned as one of the most close minded and ideological media personalities
This is a grown up talking to a 5 year old about life.
"I prefer hard evidence. "
"WHYYY."
I hope you don't mean that in a condescending way? Because skepticism let's you think criticallym And it's also the other way around
Why would you believe in "hard evidence" when it's based on our human perception that's kinda faulty as well.
Why would you believe in something so mystical and abstract that you can't see or prove?
Asking why is the most important thing in life and it's a shame it's lost when you "grow up."
@@Sjahko_ no🤣🤣 real irrefutable "hard evidence" should be independent of "human perception". You couldn't possibly comprehend nor simulate in your mind the exact physical nature and aspects of quantum mechanics and the things quantum field theory suggests Not because you're an idiot but because no human possibly could as these precepts are quite absent from our planet and every day experiences. ANY evidence reliant on human senses alone is less viable and credible than any scientific evidence known to man- and better yet, holds virtually no viablity whatsoever when studying the nature of the universe. "Human perception" is only relevant in the fact that we are human, and is otherwise irrelevant. If your "Evidence" requires a principal factor of "Human perception" to quantify it- than its not "Hard evidence" as human perception is merely a simulation of the world, and does not exist at all independently from our minds; And as such can be corrupted and manipulated beyond truth. EX Eye wittness testimony is worthless next to a consensus of forensic science..
@@texturedfrog9611 Assuming things beyond matter, time, and space exist, how could there be hard evidence proving the existence of such things within matter, time and space? It's the equivalent to staring at pixels to determine if the realm of code exists. Studying matter to disprove/prove the existence of that which is beyond matter is redundant; therefore, if such a thing exists, then "hard evidence" isn't something that should be expected if we're being rational. Since consciousness isn't confined into the 3rd dimension like our brain or physical objects are then perhaps it is the best tool we have to understand and observe the existence of dimensions beyond the 3rd. The thing is "hard evidence" is only significant because we're able to perceive it. Without our perception something that could be objectively true is simply insignificant; moreover, if this is the case, then our perception determines our reality. How do we know our perception isn't already skewed? Can you really trust what you see? How can you prove you exist? Because you can see, feel, and hear? Because you're self aware? Is that objective to you? How can you prove atoms exist? Because you can observe them under a microscope and because you can see various forms of matter in a variety of specific way? Without our perception even the most fundamental things and the seemingly obvious evidences don't exist so how do we know they exist apart from our perception? WE DON'T. So how do you know for a fact our perception of the 3 dimensional world is accurate? How do you know there aren't other dimensions? Because we are wired to have 3 dimensional perception because that is the realm our physical bodies are located? So how could a 3 dimensional perception be competent enough to determine the existence of a 4th dimension (a spirit realm perhaps) and how could the 3rd dimension be competent enough to conclude the existence/nonexistence of the dimension/dimensions above it? It's not. How do you know there are no senses beyond the physical/3 dimensional? How do you know our perception couldn't be broadened? If the 4th dimension exists then it is utterly foolish to have a 3 dimensional state of mind. Even scientists agree on that. It is a whole new and different state of awareness. It is ironically illogical to think there will be any hard evidence specific to the 3rd dimension that will show us or help us understand the spiritual because spiritual matters MUST be beyond the 3rd dimension in order for them to be spiritual. Don't study English for a math test. What if there is a chance our consciousness can be multi-dimensional? Our consciousness determines our reality which is the 3 dimensional one so if it can be broadened can we see other realities? If this is possible then how is studying ANYTHING in the 3rd dimensional going to be able to broaden that perception and enhance our consciousness? It can't and it won't. Science needs to evolve immediately. A closed mind only narrows one's perception and science needs to consider everything in order for it to grow. Closing your mind to the spirit realm or 4th dimension is like someone being born blind in the 3rd dimension. They cannot see it so they assume it doesn't exist. They do what they can with their limited perception. We live in a blind world so naturally people discredit the existence of the beyond. Just my 2 cents.
Can’t help but wonder if Mr Tyson thought about his preschool educational interview with Katy Perry
I liked that interview. Katy Perry was willing to listen and learn. Even if you're tremendously stupid, curiosity and wonder gets you places.
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She asked if math is related to science. Lol , either she was playing dumb or... 😐
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Nope No way yes yes way
@@nopenoway9875 She mentioned Christian school in that very interview. She was groomed, not ever educated.
Did he just say we’ve got that gravity thing worked out lol 😂
Yes. You people are slow lol
*arenK Childs* "Gravity" is like any other word, it's descriptive and as such works, and works well. What actually makes gravity work is another question.
Douglas that has to be the most ridiculous answer! But then what else can you possibly say!
arenK Childs gravity (theory)
There is actually 0 gravity in some places in Canada. You won’t believe it but unfortunately they don’t fly away like a helium ballon
The 2 sides of my mind - the spiritual believer and the science believer - are loving this back and forth . So fascinating and thought provoking
Wow. Just wow. Thank you, Neil, for being so respectful and yet being true to what you know. Also much respect to Neil, for not interrupting. That shows progress. All in all, you're a top notch human and love listening to you talk about science. It is because of people like you I continue to pursue greater understanding of the universe and my appetite for aforementioned understanding shall never be fully sated!
I don’t know but I couldn’t understand What russell was trying to make sense of
Word salad with no substance.
@@bendagostino2217 the dude is a fucking millionaire. I’d imagine he doesn’t speak randomly.
“Evidence based living can have an impact on longevity”, yet society is increasingly not grounded in evidence, but feelings. What does this say about the longevity of our current liberal society?
Reason underpinnings society don't believe right wing tosh. Everything we have from roundabouts to surgery is based on reasonable principles. That will never, ever change don't be so silly.
Ha!
fasteddie: ebb and flow, hills and valleys, birth and death.
@Emma Shalliker is gender reassignment surgery for children reasonable? Is it even logical? For example, if gender is a false construct, as I keep hearing, why would surgery be necessary? Or if someone was always a boy or a girl, whatever it is they identify as, why would surgery be necessary? Indeed, is a multiplication of genders couched in objective fact or in a hazy subjectivity? What is the evidence for any of it other than personal testimony or the writings of Simone de Beauvoir or Judith Butler? And best of all, if you speak against this you’re accused of some “phobia”; soon it will be classified as hate speech. Is questioning and probing an idea being hateful? Dogmatism is not reasonable.
And btw, society has never been based on reasonable principles. It’s been based on ideas that have subjugated the many to the whims of the few, and the above is part of that
@@emmashalliker6862 reasonable..not "evident based" those are two distinctive things...for examples: it's reasonable to believe in human rights and democracy but there's no "scientific basis" to believe in both "human rights" and "democracy"
I loved that bit at the end when Neil was talking about the possibility of a being whose simplest thoughts would easily transcend our most complex ones. Truly amazing to try and think about, and humbling.
OH GOD THIS SHOULD BE GOOD!! A full on intellectual, stuck in science and being a personality ; alone, and someone who has had a touch and taste of the beyond of the physical human experience. It's time for Russel ENFP and Neil ENFJ to talk the shit out of each other, LOL.
Where can I watch the whole conversation?
Russell please have Teal Swan on your podcast! 💚💚🤗✌🏼
I'd live that. Her words have helped me so many times 💜
Absolutely! I've thought they should meet for a long time now. Russells could learn a lot from her. 🙏
you guys, common, we know Teal is a cult leader. We need to not be advocating cult leaders.
@@Gaias_guardian she's not real, she just reads books. you can read books too. and learn from them. you don't need a teal swan
Thank you for making this available through my Podcast. I actually really enjoyed the experience of being present, safe and not feeling pressured to contribute. It was emotionally satisfying, like I was listening to a live broadcast
I find Russell's ideals, ideas and train of thoughts far out way joe rogan. "Mych love joe" degrasi is treating this conversation with way more respect than he has with Joe
Ah, Russell, you are speaking in the quantum. We know something is there, we know our reality may not be the same there but how does that affect us in this reality is the question
In 'this' reality, we are constantly plagued by the questions of why and how... why does the universe exist? Why and how did it come to be? What is consciousness and why and how does it arise? Those are real questions that we all have, each of us, within our very real, tangible lives as humans. And so it's at the very basis of 'this' reality if, if you'd like to call it that... it's a gnawing question (perhaps present in anything that is self conscious) that in many ways defines us. And traditional 'science' can be very dismissive of this question...
Love 2 people like this getting together and having a good honest chat.
What a beautiful conversation! How lovely to hear actual dialogue. Thank you.
The Church of The Unknown drives us to tomorrow.
I don't understand that phrase but it sounds good.
@@ajs41: Curiosity drives me to tomorrow.
There's no tomorrow or yesterday - only now.
@@RighteousBrother That's why it's the Church of The Unknown.
Derek FullerNASA,And It never got us to the Moon .
I think we could make great intellectual progress will be made when the obsession with power/control is gone.
Terrence Howard needs to be at this table.
love these kind of discussions Russell engages in, I have 110% faith in science, 0% in religion, but I'm not an atheist, and neither is Neal, Nikola Tesla once said when you think of the universe, think energy, frequency, and vibration, but he didn't mention mathematics, everything seems to be guided by mathematics, I would like to meet this mathematician
Those are all aspects of mathematics.
@@daysundagod223 exactly!
Russel talk about to Spiritualism with Richard Dawkins, that would be more interesting, since you will be speaking to a hard Materialism based evolutionary biologist.
I am surprised materialism is still a thing .
I'm surprised we still have isms...
abhishek k j materialism is human evolution. Without it, we’d never have evolved beyond crude tools.
Just the other day Richard Dawkins told Joe Rogan that consciousness doesn't exist after death because the brain decays. What kind of stupidity is this .
mek jhon hes right, the neurons in your brain stop firing and everything that makes you “you” vanished into nothingness. Just like what it was like before you were born.
When it comes down to it... even if we're just a computer riding a dog - spiritualism is necessary to function, and useful (and fun) to understand yourself. If we are that computer, spiritualism is Task Manager. ^_^
@Q Dodge Empty assertions.
@Q Dodge “All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost; the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, a light from the shadows shall spring; renewed shall be blade that was broken, the crownless again shall be king.”
This is quite a limiting belief: “The human senses are demonstrably ill equipped to take measure of the totality of the physical universe... Your senses had no access to those places in the universe until I came up with those instruments.”
I’d disagree entirely with this statement. This is only true for those whose senses are restricted by the mind, because of the belief in BEING the body. As a result of this belief, their senses are narrowed to focus on only certain information, and disregard so much more that could otherwise be available to sense. Our senses are focused on what we think is essential for our survival. Without this idea of being the body, then the senses are free to explore much further out, and can encompass the entirety of the universe and even further. These instruments of the microscope and telescope are of use to those who are restricted, but are not needed for one who is not restricted by such a limiting belief. This is why beliefs can be so limiting and the destruction of them freeing, because they actually effect our visceral experience.
I think you begin to make a good point, although "destruction" of limiting beliefs is rather a harsh and impulsive approach. Science has made important strides, and allowed Moral Philosophers to develop the Social Sciences, not least of all Psychology and Anthropology, and in society, modern human rights and ecologically aware democratic society to develop social movements against tyranny and degradation. Spiritual practice and education led Martin Luther to his revolutionary acts, followed by the Enlightenment and the British and US Freedom of Religion as a pioneering Civil and Human Right. In turn, that has allowed Spiritual Metaphysical and Moral Philosophy and spiritual-religious innovation, like George Fox´s founding the Quaker Friends, their Anti-Slavery Society for Christian dissidents, FDR´s UN, and Unitarian Universalism. The role of spiritual teachers like Swami Vivekenanda´s Autobiography of a Yogi, Gandhi, Alan Watts, and Carlos Casteneda are other important examples. They appeared alongside the development of Therapeutic Psychology by Freud, Jung, Adler, and so on. The reality of mental health in contrast to Freud´s adequate categories of neuroses and character disorders, and then in relation to spiritual Transpersonal practice as Jung began to lay out make Therapeutic Psychology more complete. Limiting beliefs are better transformed, like Al Gore´s environmentalism that expanded the influence of the UN´s IPCC on the moral issues of the science of Climate Change. Gore also left his original S Baptist association because of their turn to Fundamentalism. Mental health in terms of emotional awareness, self-esteem, empathy, tolerance, and social responsibility are part of personal growth and its next stage with spiritual wisdom, spiritual growth. It´s why Barack Obama could refer to himself as "the kid with the funny name" and appoint a Green Jobs Czar, among other capacities. Therapeutic and Transpersonal Psychology and spiritual practices and traditions help guide us in the use of our familiar five senses, to even have patience and trust our instincts with scientific instruments and using scientific understanding to make a sustainable world, and not facing catastrophic unsustainability from profiteering and materialistic obliviousness.
Well said, completely agree! And I also noticed how, by versing it in first-person, NDT managed to come across as though he created something. Quite a pompous attitude IMO.
@@guineverependragon9804 Glad you can appreciate my no-nonsense empirical metaphysics. Yeah, NDT disdained spirituality so smoothly, I almost forgot my hard won knocks in knowledge domain epistemology. Emotions and Sustainability strike me as a key issues to tie in, to ground both sides and pop swelled heads for Scientism like NDTs.
Green Peacemst Yes, perhaps the word ‘destruction’ might have been too harsh and negative. ‘Dissolution’ would have been neutral & ‘transcendence’ positive. The point was simply that our beliefs are what’s limiting humans, not the senses. If only mankind could return to their senses rather than be thinking so highly of our fictional stories we call reality.
@@themeditationstation1674 The Freedom of Religion and University-based culture have encouraged my own path that began with Unitarian Universalism and reading scholar H Smith about Chinese Taoism. Reading the multicultural work of Sheldon Kopp and Alan Watt spurred me to try Zen meditation, along with Kung Fu, and then holistic work like Shamanism, and the 12 step groups. Ultimately, learning the basic and additional teachings of the Buddha behind Zen became a fundamental point of reference for all my efforts, and specifically to evaluate the integrity of Jesus´ teachings and historical developments. It is ultimately in empirical foundations like the question, "What is the real meaning of Jesus and Buddha, and others like Gandhi?" If you use the term "senses" in relation to "fictional stories" and false "reality," you need to have adequate understanding to communicate some clarity. You might want to ground yourself by citing your source of your concept of "limiting beliefs." Besides what I´ve referred to, I´ve also benefited from Louise Hay´s and Joseph Murphy´s work. Jack Kornfield the Buddhist Psychologist is excellent, as is Lewis Mehl-Medrona MD PhD of Cherokee descent. Ann W Schaef, too, who now also refers to her indigenous roots.
Theres no way to confirm reality that doesnt mean we are living in a big dream we just have to realize that facts are not the same thing as truth
Neil deGrasse Tyson constantly ignoring the important question 😆
Lol not at all. Maybe you had trouble comprehending what he was saying?