I have owned both of these stoves for a few years now. I have the Winnerwell and the largest version of the Seek Outside. Both of these were bought for different sizes of tents. I hope I can help others out with a decision. In my experience, simply there is no comparison. The Winnerwell is vastly superior in design and function. The SO is so finnicky to assemble in the cold and dark I have come to just leave it assembled and transport it in a plastic container. The Winnwerwell also draws air better resulting in better heat output for the size of the stove. It may be the case that the SO packs slightly smaller\lighter, but those slight advantages are far out weighed by the convenience and refinement of the Winnerwell design.
I was told by a friend of mine that Boreal Outdoor Innovations will be offering Titanium portable wood stoves in the Spring of 2024. Very large Titanium stove models. Interesting to see how those guys do it. They make high end stoves, all made in Canada
Fantastic & very thorough review of 2 great stoves! Especially liked the comparative advantages & disadvantages summary of each product. So it was easy to get a lot of useful information quickly. Some additional information that you might include to facilitate a purchase decision, would be the total cost of each stove including the cost of any recommended extra and/or replacement parts that constitute a smart & useful investment as well as how the product warranties stand up against each other, assuming that they are not identical.
Thank you Michael! Appreciate you taking the time to comment. Thank you for the suggestions as well....good stuff! I always hate saying prices on them because it seems like the prices keep changing on items, but I do appreciate the suggestion/thought! Thanks for watching!
Thanks Fred! I'd say the Winnerwell is a bit easier to regulate and seems to burn a bit longer as you can seal it off a little better. It's close though. Thanks for watching!
Great review! I have been comparing these two amazing stoves for a year or two but I can’t choose. Maybe I go for the SO in the end but that’s only because it packs flat, has great guarantees and it’s made in US. Also I’m very interested in SO Cimmaron tent.
Thanks! I feel the same way! Both are awesome, but it's hard to decide between them. Definitely love that the SO is made in the USA though. Stay tuned for our review on the Cimmaron, coming out very soon! Thanks for watching!
Hey there! That's a great question. Tough call for the reasons you stated. For me, it would depend on the hunts I'm going on, and how critical space/weight it. Another option to consider is the new Argali Skyline Titanium stove. We've been testing it this year and loving it. It's kinda the best of both worlds in that it's lighter than the Winnerwell, but easier to set up. It's pretty sweet,but you can't go wrong with any of them. Here's the link to the Argali Skyline if interested: argalioutdoors.com/products/skyline-ti-titanium-wood-stove?variant=44048057729253&sca_ref=1223212.1UOW5IUkm7
So, How much wood does this need to consume per hour in umm grams or weight? New to back packing. Want to know how long it burns on one fill as well if you put it on low and go to sleep etc.Thanks Oh, and are the legs on these stoves titanium?
Hey there! It kinda depends on the size of the pieces of wood you put in there. Small twigs that are thin in diameter burn fast and last maybe 30-40 min. If you have thicker pieces.of wood that you can put in there (bring a small saw), I've gotten more like a couple hours filling it with that and trying to burn it slow. But...even if you have a stove, you'll still need a good sleeping bag unless you want to get up every hour or so and add wood. Thanks for watching!
@jonash5320 hey there! That's a great question. I would be a little leery of that much weight on these stoves given how thin the titanium is. It gets red hot and I could see the weight causing damage. Also, they are not really stable enough to handle that kind of weight. They could do it, but it would make me nervous. Thanks!
Thanks for doing this, I have been agonizing over which of these to get for more than a year. The thing that keeps me from pulling the trigger on that Winnerwell is that pipe piece permanently affixed to the top. That seems like you have to be very, very careful about not letting that get banged around. If that pipe gets all dented and malformed, you're kind of permanently screwed, right? When I hike my pack is really really full and lots of stuff gets banged around. It seems like that winnerwell is very difficult to protect with that protruding fragile yet critical piece. You have any ideas for how to pack that and not worry about it getting all dented up? For the Seek Outside I can put that detachable bottom piece in my coffee can w/ other stuff I have (candles, firestarters, etc.) or inside the rolled up stove pipe. I really hate that Winnerwell has not developed a model where that pipe is not permanently affixed to the top, it's the only thing keeping me from getting it.
Absolutely! This was a fun one to do for sure. That is a great question, and one I mulled over as well. My first impression when I pulled out the Winnerwell was the same as yours. I do thing you would be able to easily pack your backpack in a way that would protect that piece on the Winnerwell (,maybe put your Jetboil, sleeping pad etc around it, but you'd want to be aware of that. I will say that the pipe piece attached to the top of the Winner is a TON more stout than the removable one on the Seek Outside. I could crush the Seek Outside piece with one hand and severely deform it, but there's no way I could do that with the Winnerwell piece. It has a couple layers, and is welded on there. So, I don't think you'd have an issue with it coming apart, especially if you packed your backpack accordingly, but time and use will tell. A quick spot weld would fix it if that did happen, but certainly not as easy of a repair/replacement as the Seek Outside piece, that's for sure. Hope that helps!
Yeah, of you don't mind the extra weight, sizing up definitely helps. I believe there is some guidance on the Seek website for which size they recommend for a minimum size for each shelter. I prefer to go on the larger end though. Thanks for watching!
I have the Seek from years ago before the whole industry blew up n You Tube. Back then the choice of stoves and shelters was very limited. Seek Outside, Kifaru and few others made collapsible titanium stoves. Since then the industry evolved and the Seek design has become dated and they really need to do an overhaul on their product line. I’m not spending money on a new stove though I’d like to. My stove is about 6 years old and has damn well worked down to -8 F. Kept me warm, cooked food and dried out equipment. One thing is the my Seek Outside has a three inch pipe that can be used with an adjustable elbow for different angles on the flew pipe and stove jack positions
Odd question, but do you know of a nested pipe that would fit the Seek Outside? Have been looking but have yet to find one I like. I suppose I could use a knockout set to change the hole size, but would rather not. I just hate the rollup pipes, and 3.125 is an odd size.
Yeah, I can see that given that the Winnerwell has a lot of welds, whereas the Seek does not. Once those welds give out, you'd be out of luck. Thanks for sharing your experience!
@@BackwoodsPursuit no problem. the best stove should be the ones that can survive a fall in a backpack. and rust. and burns. the seek outside is good for falls but they sometimes rust on the nuts. and the pipe if gets crushed if you dont heat it over a fire first and try to bend it cold you will crack the titanium. by heating it first you can get it where to a roll again. so both stoves are good. both has something better that the other. but the best ones are the ones made from meatloaf baking pans. lol small ,very tough.
The winner well may suit me better... But Even as a Canadian🇨🇦 I wouldn't feel right purchasing from a country that wants to Overtake the free world... So the seek it is🇺🇲🇺🇲 Made Right, Right here.
A logical, though untested idea to save time setting up the Seek stove is to use two nuts locked against each other underneath the stove instead of the wing nut. In the bicycle industry, that's how you secure the axle bearing cones to ensure that the adjustment of the bearings doesn't loosen up. The feet could be secured with a thread locking adhesive, which would melt if used against the stove body. I purchased the Seek Outside stove because it's made here, not in a country whose aim is to eventually rule us. I can live with inconvenience. I prefer to live in relative freedom. 🇺🇸
Thanks for the feedback Daniel and let me know how that works if you try it! Definitely worth a shot! Thanks for watching and the Seek Outside is a great stove and I love that it's made here in the USA! Thanks for watching.
@@BackwoodsPursuit Two nuts locked against each other works to save time assembling the stove. I made the mod, and it will save me time setting up once the cold weather comes in again. As for the feet, I haven't decided exactly where to position them, but I will, eventually, loctite them on.
whaaaatt...i don't agree with the snow cap,thats the worst idea,sparks will hit the top of it and some will falls back on the tent and burn it,learned that the hard way and i use seekoutside stoves since 2014.
That's interesting and thanks for sharing! We had the opposite issue on our end (one user testing with the snow cap and the other without). The one with the snow cap had zero holes in the tent from sparks and the without the snow cap had a bunch of holes in the tent from sparks. Interesting that you had a different experience, but thanks for sharing!
@@BackwoodsPursuitDepend on woods type,we don't always be lucky with woods if you got winds I strongly suggest you to take this cap off, burning holes on a 1200$ tent sucks.Nice video 👍
@@229Reaper I'm sure the wood type plays a big part...that's a great point. Your right though....holes in an expensive tent is not fun at all! Thanks for the tip! Much appreciated.
for the screen that catches the Amber's I've been using a sink screen that goes in the drain. I find it easier to go outside reach up , grab it with pliers and knock it against a rock to clean it. and then I just place it back on .never have to remove the pipe only to clean it
Being able to detach the damper part of the seek outside stove is not a benefit. It gets crushed in your pack, the damper falls out, the welds on the damper break. Junk. Also, it pops out of the stove box in wind or if the stove is bumped into and sends embers everywhere inside your tent. The door falls off easily and you fill your tent with smoke. Never buying their crap again. Oh and the air intake on the seek gets plugged with ash quick. Oh and bring extra wing nuts because if you drop them in the snow you’ll be picking around in the snow with your bare hands trying to find them. If you have extras you can get the stove assembled and try to recover the other nuts while your warm.
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I have owned both of these stoves for a few years now. I have the Winnerwell and the largest version of the Seek Outside. Both of these were bought for different sizes of tents. I hope I can help others out with a decision. In my experience, simply there is no comparison. The Winnerwell is vastly superior in design and function. The SO is so finnicky to assemble in the cold and dark I have come to just leave it assembled and transport it in a plastic container. The Winnwerwell also draws air better resulting in better heat output for the size of the stove. It may be the case that the SO packs slightly smaller\lighter, but those slight advantages are far out weighed by the convenience and refinement of the Winnerwell design.
Thanks for sharing your experience with us! Very much appreciated!
I was told by a friend of mine that Boreal Outdoor Innovations will be offering Titanium portable wood stoves in the Spring of 2024. Very large Titanium stove models. Interesting to see how those guys do it. They make high end stoves, all made in Canada
Thanks for the heads up! Sounds interesting. Thanks for watching!
Fantastic & very thorough review of 2 great stoves! Especially liked the comparative advantages & disadvantages summary of each product. So it was easy to get a lot of useful information quickly. Some additional information that you might include to facilitate a purchase decision, would be the total cost of each stove including the cost of any recommended extra and/or replacement parts that constitute a smart & useful investment as well as how the product warranties stand up against each other, assuming that they are not identical.
Thank you Michael! Appreciate you taking the time to comment. Thank you for the suggestions as well....good stuff! I always hate saying prices on them because it seems like the prices keep changing on items, but I do appreciate the suggestion/thought! Thanks for watching!
Excellent video. Very helpful. Thanks for taking the time to post such a thorough review of both stoves!
Thanks Dan and I'm glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching!
Nice comparison, thank you. Seems like the winner well is easily the winner lol. I do like a sight glass though
Haha ..yeah the ease of setup is very enticing with the Winnerwell! Thanks for watching!
Good review, thanks. Which one burns longer and better?
Thanks Fred! I'd say the Winnerwell is a bit easier to regulate and seems to burn a bit longer as you can seal it off a little better. It's close though. Thanks for watching!
Great review! I have been comparing these two amazing stoves for a year or two but I can’t choose. Maybe I go for the SO in the end but that’s only because it packs flat, has great guarantees and it’s made in US. Also I’m very interested in SO Cimmaron tent.
Thanks! I feel the same way! Both are awesome, but it's hard to decide between them. Definitely love that the SO is made in the USA though.
Stay tuned for our review on the Cimmaron, coming out very soon!
Thanks for watching!
Great review, thanks for sharing! I think I’d go with the Winnerwell.
Thanks! Yeah, that's a great stove for sure. So nice how easy it is to set up!
Great review. Well done Sir 👏
Thank you Tim! Thanks for watching!
I own the winner well. Satisfied 100%. Quality for sure. 2 seasons used no issues. Coming up on the third.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing. It's a great stove. Thanks for watching!
Which would you prefer for your backpack hunting outings? The winnerwell looks a lot more convenient, but is it worth the extra pound and $150?
Hey there! That's a great question. Tough call for the reasons you stated. For me, it would depend on the hunts I'm going on, and how critical space/weight it. Another option to consider is the new Argali Skyline Titanium stove. We've been testing it this year and loving it. It's kinda the best of both worlds in that it's lighter than the Winnerwell, but easier to set up. It's pretty sweet,but you can't go wrong with any of them. Here's the link to the Argali Skyline if interested: argalioutdoors.com/products/skyline-ti-titanium-wood-stove?variant=44048057729253&sca_ref=1223212.1UOW5IUkm7
So, How much wood does this need to consume per hour in umm grams or weight? New to back packing. Want to know how long it burns on one fill as well if you put it on low and go to sleep etc.Thanks Oh, and are the legs on these stoves titanium?
Hey there! It kinda depends on the size of the pieces of wood you put in there. Small twigs that are thin in diameter burn fast and last maybe 30-40 min. If you have thicker pieces.of wood that you can put in there (bring a small saw), I've gotten more like a couple hours filling it with that and trying to burn it slow. But...even if you have a stove, you'll still need a good sleeping bag unless you want to get up every hour or so and add wood. Thanks for watching!
Good job.
Love my SO stove but it is kind of a pain to put together. Seek Outside Cimarron and stove is an awesome combination.
Heck yeah! We combo I've got with the Cimmaron and SXL stove! Great combo. Thanks for watching!
@@BackwoodsPursuitwill both of these support the weight of a large (5L) pot with water in it?
@jonash5320 hey there! That's a great question. I would be a little leery of that much weight on these stoves given how thin the titanium is. It gets red hot and I could see the weight causing damage. Also, they are not really stable enough to handle that kind of weight. They could do it, but it would make me nervous. Thanks!
@@BackwoodsPursuit any chace you could test something like that?
@@jonash5320 I'll try to remember to test that out next time I pull the stove out. Thanks!
Thanks for doing this, I have been agonizing over which of these to get for more than a year. The thing that keeps me from pulling the trigger on that Winnerwell is that pipe piece permanently affixed to the top. That seems like you have to be very, very careful about not letting that get banged around. If that pipe gets all dented and malformed, you're kind of permanently screwed, right? When I hike my pack is really really full and lots of stuff gets banged around. It seems like that winnerwell is very difficult to protect with that protruding fragile yet critical piece. You have any ideas for how to pack that and not worry about it getting all dented up? For the Seek Outside I can put that detachable bottom piece in my coffee can w/ other stuff I have (candles, firestarters, etc.) or inside the rolled up stove pipe. I really hate that Winnerwell has not developed a model where that pipe is not permanently affixed to the top, it's the only thing keeping me from getting it.
Absolutely! This was a fun one to do for sure. That is a great question, and one I mulled over as well. My first impression when I pulled out the Winnerwell was the same as yours. I do thing you would be able to easily pack your backpack in a way that would protect that piece on the Winnerwell (,maybe put your Jetboil, sleeping pad etc around it, but you'd want to be aware of that. I will say that the pipe piece attached to the top of the Winner is a TON more stout than the removable one on the Seek Outside. I could crush the Seek Outside piece with one hand and severely deform it, but there's no way I could do that with the Winnerwell piece. It has a couple layers, and is welded on there. So, I don't think you'd have an issue with it coming apart, especially if you packed your backpack accordingly, but time and use will tell. A quick spot weld would fix it if that did happen, but certainly not as easy of a repair/replacement as the Seek Outside piece, that's for sure. Hope that helps!
How do you refer or choose which size ? Many say size up one.
Yeah, of you don't mind the extra weight, sizing up definitely helps. I believe there is some guidance on the Seek website for which size they recommend for a minimum size for each shelter. I prefer to go on the larger end though. Thanks for watching!
I have the Seek from years ago before the whole industry blew up n You Tube. Back then the choice of stoves and shelters was very limited. Seek Outside, Kifaru and few others made collapsible titanium stoves. Since then the industry evolved and the Seek design has become dated and they really need to do an overhaul on their product line. I’m not spending money on a new stove though I’d like to. My stove is about 6 years old and has damn well worked down to -8 F. Kept me warm, cooked food and dried out equipment. One thing is the my Seek Outside has a three inch pipe that can be used with an adjustable elbow for different angles on the flew pipe and stove jack positions
Thanks for sharing your experience! Yeah, would be nice to see an update in the deaifrom Seek. Thanks for watching!
Odd question, but do you know of a nested pipe that would fit the Seek Outside? Have been looking but have yet to find one I like. I suppose I could use a knockout set to change the hole size, but would rather not. I just hate the rollup pipes, and 3.125 is an odd size.
Hey there! I don't know of one that would fit off the top of my head, but that's an interesting idea. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for good info
Absolutely and thanks for watching!
I've had both. and during the durability test seek outside survived. the winterwell failed during the drop test and could not repair on the field,
Yeah, I can see that given that the Winnerwell has a lot of welds, whereas the Seek does not. Once those welds give out, you'd be out of luck. Thanks for sharing your experience!
@@BackwoodsPursuit no problem. the best stove should be the ones that can survive a fall in a backpack. and rust. and burns. the seek outside is good for falls but they sometimes rust on the nuts. and the pipe if gets crushed if you dont heat it over a fire first and try to bend it cold you will crack the titanium. by heating it first you can get it where to a roll again. so both stoves are good. both has something better that the other. but the best ones are the ones made from meatloaf baking pans. lol small ,very tough.
@@blueskies195 haha! Yeah, for sure. Durability is a big factor and they both have their pros and cons.
The winner well may suit me better... But Even as a Canadian🇨🇦 I wouldn't feel right purchasing from a country that wants to Overtake the free world... So the seek it is🇺🇲🇺🇲 Made Right, Right here.
I can certainly understand that Cody! Love supporting made is USA. Thanks for watching!
winnewell is my choice
That sure is fast to set up! Thanks for watching!
I have the Winnerwell and i love it.
They are great stoves! Thanks for watching!
A logical, though untested idea to save time setting up the Seek stove is to use two nuts locked against each other underneath the stove instead of the wing nut. In the bicycle industry, that's how you secure the axle bearing cones to ensure that the adjustment of the bearings doesn't loosen up. The feet could be secured with a thread locking adhesive, which would melt if used against the stove body.
I purchased the Seek Outside stove because it's made here, not in a country whose aim is to eventually rule us.
I can live with inconvenience. I prefer to live in relative freedom. 🇺🇸
Thanks for the feedback Daniel and let me know how that works if you try it! Definitely worth a shot! Thanks for watching and the Seek Outside is a great stove and I love that it's made here in the USA! Thanks for watching.
@@BackwoodsPursuit Two nuts locked against each other works to save time assembling the stove. I made the mod, and it will save me time setting up once the cold weather comes in again. As for the feet, I haven't decided exactly where to position them, but I will, eventually, loctite them on.
@@danielkutcher5704 good deal! Thanks for the follow up!
Great review. I wished I would have watched this before I bought a SO stove last week. I think the Winnerwell stove would better fit my needs.
Thanks Billy! The Seek Outside is great stove though for sure! Both have their pros and cons. Thanks for watching!
Seek outside made in USA
Love that! Thanks for watching!
whaaaatt...i don't agree with the snow cap,thats the worst idea,sparks will hit the top of it and some will falls back on the tent and burn it,learned that the hard way and i use seekoutside stoves since 2014.
That's interesting and thanks for sharing! We had the opposite issue on our end (one user testing with the snow cap and the other without). The one with the snow cap had zero holes in the tent from sparks and the without the snow cap had a bunch of holes in the tent from sparks. Interesting that you had a different experience, but thanks for sharing!
@@BackwoodsPursuitDepend on woods type,we don't always be lucky with woods if you got winds I strongly suggest you to take this cap off, burning holes on a 1200$ tent sucks.Nice video 👍
@@229Reaper I'm sure the wood type plays a big part...that's a great point. Your right though....holes in an expensive tent is not fun at all! Thanks for the tip! Much appreciated.
for the screen that catches the Amber's I've been using a sink screen that goes in the drain. I find it easier to go outside reach up , grab it with pliers and knock it against a rock to clean it. and then I just place it back on .never have to remove the pipe only to clean it
Being able to detach the damper part of the seek outside stove is not a benefit. It gets crushed in your pack, the damper falls out, the welds on the damper break. Junk. Also, it pops out of the stove box in wind or if the stove is bumped into and sends embers everywhere inside your tent. The door falls off easily and you fill your tent with smoke. Never buying their crap again. Oh and the air intake on the seek gets plugged with ash quick. Oh and bring extra wing nuts because if you drop them in the snow you’ll be picking around in the snow with your bare hands trying to find them. If you have extras you can get the stove assembled and try to recover the other nuts while your warm.
Thanks for sharing your experience and thanks for watching!
Seek outside
Great stoves!
Another contender is the 3W. For a lower price point, it’s a real contender.
Thanks! I'll have to check that one out!
SO makes AMAZING backpacks, but their stoves SUCK. I used my U-turn once and have regretted every cent that it cost me.
Sorry to hear that! Thanks for watching though!