China PLA member asks about role of Shangri-La Dialogue, if it's serving interest of US and allies
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มิ.ย. 2022
- At the final plenary session of the Shangri-La Dialogue, a member of China's People's Liberation Army (PLA), Zhao Xiaozhuo, Senior Fellow, Academy of Military Sciences, PLA asked Singapore Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen and the chief executive of the International Institute for Strategic Studies John Chipman about the role of the security forum.
"There are negative views - views (of) the Shangri-la Dialogue as a forum dominated by the US and its allies, serving the interest of the US and its allies and also the topics discussed often point to differences, rather than cooperation, and divergence rather than convergence. So my question is: What role over the past years (has) Shangri-la Dialogue ... played in Asia Pacific security and how do you view the comments and opinions I have mentioned?" he said.
Said Dr Ng: "I've attended a number of conferences, I attended their Xiangshan Forum and sometimes, it's a matter of taste. I can imagine that people from the PLA come here and find this raucous a bit rambunctious. This is the Western liberal mode of many ideas. And from this, you're supposed to gain wisdom and they go back and say it was thoroughly discombobulating. That's entirely understandable."
He added: "On the other hand, when things are too structured, too predictable, people don't like to attend those, because they feel that it's too scripted, that when you say things, the end is already determined. So why not, not say it, just send me something and I can read it, rather than travel we know a few thousand miles and arrive to Singapore. For China it must decide for itself whether the Shangri La Dialogue adds value. There is no coercion for you to attend. Is it better? To come to an open platform, to subject yourself sometimes to the tyranny of questions and to what might seem a common view from others to explain yourself, or to retreat from that engagement? That is something that China must decide for itself."
"I think the People's Republic of China has benefitted hugely from the participation it has had in the Shangri-La Dialogue," said Dr Chipman, noting that there was a rare one-hour bilateral meeting between Chinese Defence Minister Wei Fenghe and US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin. (Video: Reuters)
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If 9 people out of 10 in the room are complaining about you, it is always a good idea to look at yourself in the mirror and ask why
I still remember when PLN destroyer were visible range from Spratly Islands WHEN the ASEAN-China code of conduct meeting where conducting...
When 9 dash line became 10 and imaginary owned ahah😅
If more people are invited in, say 100 people, will the same proportion of people, which is 90, still criticize that one original person? The way you posed the question actually presupposes a stance, which is the standard BBC questioning style. It’s evident that when you ask the question, you’ve already set a trap. The answer you’re looking for is the one you have in your own mind.
Chinese PLA REAlly have different kind of brain
@@1_Life_2Live because they are not human. They are uncivilized greedy people.
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Minister Ng Eng Hen of Singapore, two thumbs up. good answer!
But I saw TikTok his speech similarity to pro China ? Is it true ?
The Chinese general got schooled by NG and a slap on his face! You(China) are not forced to attend it is up to you if you want or not but you are free to ask and make a speech and vice-versa.
😂😂😂😂
Whatever you say and what you are doing reflects your bad character , your bad image shows where you came from as a threat to a peacefully community
China really came to this dialogue to embarrass themselves. Appropriately, a group of pandas is called an Embarrassment. 😂😂😂
Puro kayo salita
@@dharlenesanjose3779 umintindi ka.
You know CCP when they lying when they speaking 😂
Dr. Ng had the perfect answer to the question by the Chinese General. It's a platform that's free for all to discuss and hear feedback on how the world views your countries and their actions. Well done Dr. NG.
I am proud of Dr Ng. Straight to the point, leaving no rooms for western medias would like to interpret differently.
Gen? Did u promoted him? Get his rank right b4 comment.
Ng failed badly (if u understand)
Not only he did not have an answer to the question, he was totally rude
The General question or what he was told to ask was arrogant and he got the right answers back
The fact that he put in effort to convey in english is a big thumbs up👍
If a nation wants to look inwardly, yes just remain within the country and communicate using native language. On the other hand if Samsung wants to go international, Samsung must also communicate in international language like what they had done. This is fundamental.
unfortunately I couldn't understand him
Engrish
Dr. Ng nailed it!
Very good Sir Ng.
The World is a beautiful place to live without any greed,envy and free from all fears of conflict or wars esp.the nuclear.that can melted all creations and humanity. Lets us all be happy that for once in our life we live in a world with love and not hate to one another.we are all merely just temporarily passing through this world that is not ours.we have no rights to destroy this paradise that we live in.peace and harmony to all mankind.🙌🙏💗🌺
👍👍👍👏👏👏 Dr Ng at his Best. Thank U.
the PLA general clowned itself what an embarrassing question from china travelling miles just to ask those questions
Because they are idiots and lack.of knowledge!
Those hegemonic days are gone no matter how the summit trying to play out, China is not China of those days. See you again at any corner of the world!
Chin was upset from attending the IISS, they were thinking that they had been fried in their own oil.
Definitely true.!!most of the country doesn't believe in China on what they are saying.if you have a great power,you should use it in good things!!not coercing and bullying you're neighbors..having respect is by earning not showing of force..
😂😂😂😂
@rommelperalta6111, you meant gutter oil, right? 🤣
The general has difficulty in defending their position because it is baseless contrary to the Philippines which is supported by international law and confirmed by the arbitral ruling.
Dialogue is better then Rhetoric via media platform
China can't tolerate dialogue. They prefer monologue and can't understand why other countries roll their eyes at their foreign and security policy.
What dialogue this is actually treatening and flexing of muscle.
Dialogue is a lot better than military confrontation. You can shout each other out and agree to disagree, as long as no violence is involved.
Zhao Xiaozhuo, asked if the forum is dominated by the US and serve their interest.
Dr Ng Eng Hen practically said, so what, that's the way it is "rambunctious" and "discombobulating", and you decide if you want to come.
Dr John Chipman, said since the first forum the Shangri-La Dialogue has proved its utility, giving example from the Pakistan India tension, and the Five Defense Powers ministers meetings, the Shangri-La Dialogue have benefited both ASEAN and China.
You decide who gave the appropriate reply.
Using bombastic english words is just inappropriate in diplomatic exchange with non-english guests.
We love Peace, Freedom, Liberty and Democracy
so Says the Little Red Dot on the Map - S'pore you have your 2 days of fame , what's next?? Dreaming of more land....? Don't dream Reply Indonesia . LOL
@@ssrae-2229Says the West Taiwanese troll on the CCP payroll who had consumed nothing but fabricated information from state-owned media.
PLA knowing that its participation in Shangrila forum will be well surrounded by US and all its allies and yet participated in the forum is a big encouragement and demonstrated the readiness of PLA to face the strongest allies in the world face to face
The first speaker stated precisely what has turned out to be, that is for the Disunited States to lecture China and nothing else. Despite evidence to the contrary and the illogic of wanting to adhere to the One China Principle and yet say they have the rights to protect Taiwan is nothing short of lying. China should not bother to come for future event as it is neither a dialogue or even a debate.
You need to polish up your English. Actually, you can comment in Chinese...
@@KevanMajere33 I think he did a decent job of speaking in English.
Now the WEST cannot demonize China anymore, because they will be slapped right back!
@@KevanMajere33 i understood him fully ..he did a greatjob consdering if he aint native english speaker.. btw
Talk and negotiation is much better than putting the conflicts into war. We are so appreciate could got a peaceful result in the border conflicts between China and India by at least 5 rounds talk. Thank God.
To have a constructive dialogue, better have a balanced agenda rather than a biased and conflictive one.
The question is more about the agenda setting of the dialogue, not the dialogue itself
Biased and conflictive dialogue never leads to the peace, but to the contrary
They does not like this kind of dialogue because they don't have the say in their own homecourt...
Exactly. They can't spin or manipulate the flow of the dialogue. You can see how upset they are on their faces.
The host went like, if China don't like this format maybe China should question itself. To me the Chinese PLA member was telling some truth, and this was not so easy hear apparently. He never said that he wanted the forum to change in term of its format, he said that he wanted the forum to not be bias towards the USA.
He brought his WeChat hearsay to one of the most formal diplomatic meeeting, how is that even a valid point to 'some truth' like u mentioned?
The top officials are working hard, the naive closed minded subordinates are undoing China back to 1900s. Brutal truth.
i think everyone here already know the typical things PRC say in their closed group shut off WeChat propaganda media, and i think the response was already clear..
Hear, hear. That is what I hear from he PLA representative. Not sure if the Singaporean host and also Minister understood plain and simple English.
@@hangtuah888 This begs the awkward question - why is it so many country's in China's own neighborhood are more pro-west? Could it be that through China's own wolf-warrior diplomacy they have alienated themselves?
I wanna ask why do many countries hate china?
I wanna ask you why most of the delagate in this countries hate china?
The dialogue itself is a platform as mention by Dr Ng to express regional concern on many aspect especially on peace and stability within the Asia region.
Countries that were invited to attend should have their subjective thoughts and topics they want to participate within the dialogue to provide constructive thoughts and suggestions to improve the situations within the region. It’s is also this dialogue that let everyone voice their concern and make a stand of their role within the region, instead of showing muscle around.
The point you lay is 'region', what is the US role in this?
@@talkfacts100 read history for answer to yr question
@@talkfacts100 dialogue does not mean anyone play a role. If the US wanna play a role they should propose their position across with the peace and stability in mind and not giving speech to show its stance or to threaten any regional issues to create instability. To be straight up US are not needed in the region in fact for any security. They may part take in the dialogue to exchange information based on regional security issues.
@@deschan2246 I know the history, but do you? According to your other comments, I strongly doubt it. Why I ask is only with questions people might make a search. How you doing btw, havent seen you spam as much as you did before. Getting your life together? Which is a good thing.
@@erictky11 We will prefer the US remain engaged in the region and counter balance China. Thanks.
SG minister basically said if China is not happy with the SRD, then don’t come. Very constructive and diplomatic. LOL. If a dialogue welcomes critics against China but not critics from China. Then you know very well what the dialogue is all about.
Critic or intimidation?
Extremely undiplomatic from SG minister. The Western mind is closed to such a point that it cannot fathom anything that is better than thier way of life and as such deeply threatened by it. Extremely childish. They have lost the plot and now resort to bigotry and bullying.
Seriously.. China's silent coercion... trying to influence via financial contributions and often intimidate regional countries... drawing its own boundary... and often play that skin colour game... sickening!
@@mahmoodiqbalch
You know nothing about international affairs. Be quiet.
@@fiost1489 Thanks that prolly means I know a lot! 😉
Dr Ng was bold and frank in his response to the Chinese Delegation.
I hope Dr Ng can also be bold and frank with the US delegation.
Otherwise, Singapore would be seen as pro-America which should never be.
Singapore is no longer neutral, what do you think? The country will start and end with the rule of the Lee family, there is no future.
The US and China were having a game of poker.
The US: Could you please pour some water for us?
Singapore: Yes, my pleasure.
Dr Ng didn't realise that they were playing poker at his house?
Dr Ng didn't realise that he should be at the table playing the game as well?
Ha ha ha!
Singapore, please don't be over proud. But don't worry, China has a big heart and is famous for being strategically patient.
@@munozgiovanni9384 are you sure?
@@xianseah4847
Rubbish
China doesn't know what a forum is.
Cuz they don't have a voice once they start a forum CCP will stop them instantly. So they have no clue the importance of forum.
tl:dr: this isn't an echo chamber, you have the right to critic other people, other people have the right to critic you.
Haha he forgot he not in china anymore where people cant say bad things
That's not what he meant, he said in short that the Shangri-la were biased.
@@Hahaha41241biased in what sense 😂
@@Hahaha41241 and he was right..
Clearly Dr. Eng is taking the side and offending Chinese, which is not good.
Hats off to Dr. Ng.
people that think Mr Ng gave a bad/evasive answer, don't understand the level of politics we engage in.
keep it unbiased and not favouring the west. this is understandable. china can decide anything but spore must not be biased and listen to all participants.
Singapore must not be biased is like asking if the Pope is Catholic. Singapore is the refuel and refit base of the 7th US Fleet and with that the scandals of corruption over the saga has not been broadcast in the interest of transparency. The very fact the opening speech is by the Disunited States to me the dumbest Secretary of Defense to hold the post, is proof that this is not a Dialogue but a Lecture.
lol wumao
China will take over taiwan than singapore and kick all the other race out of singapore.Haha!中国🇨🇳习近平万岁万岁万万岁!!!
are you listening? 😁😁😁😁😁
Same thinking with your master and PLA general idiots!!!
*Minister Ng is really articulate and made a remarkable speech and his answers are professionally objective so well done Minister Ng*
More like arrogance and out of depth. You have low expectation.
take it or leave it is not a good enough answer from someone who is a minister of defense
Just a few minutes of glory. Don't be so cocky trying to impress his defacto master. The last time pm lee joke about China in the US Terrex was detained. He still feeling sour that he was so hopelessly weak to do anything about it. China will take note of this and hit back when the time come. This time it will be a lot worse.
@@Utube1024 let’s wait n see. China to Singapore: 等得瞧吧！
Dr Ng is respected Minister Sg! Good Sir.
Precisely the purpose of such an event, in which Défense Ministers can engage on a neutral platform to express, share opinions and discuss sensitive issues. The challenge to the organisers is to keep Shangri-La Dialogue relevant, purposeful and unbiased.
@Maher al-Assad At next event China will not come again. Hahaha. 😀😃😄
Dialogue & open discussion do not mix well with authoritarian regimes. They do not tolerate people with different views from theirs. They question others, they do not subject themselves to tyranny of questions which will be taken as challenge to their authority. They were brought up and educated this way. It shows that how dangerous the world would be if this behaviour is demonstrated by a General of a militarily powerful country.
@Maher al-Assad Yes, precisely that is what I thought. I hope China will realise that this is rubbish and stop attending. No loss.
@Maher al-Assad The Chinese guy said exactly what has transpired being as useless. How the irony is lost on him, I wondered?
@Maher al-Assad Very well put. Moreover, Lockheed Martin is on IISS's council. Its weapons are used in Ukraine and Taiwan. All the reasons to confront China right from the start diminishing Singapore's and Asean's neutrality stand. And Dr Ng's parisan and condescending handling of a fair question didn't help.
We are very blessed to have such a great defence Minister who has a great presence of mind to answer this type of provoking questions.
This dialogue was made for more engagement and for high rank officials to meet each other,regardless of their differences.
So happy with his reply basically telling the CCP guy don’t want to come, don’t come. Nobody wants you around.
Por lam par
@@ongernie7216
Loser, how are you?
Shangri-La Dialogue is a good thing. However, I think Singapore's position is leaning more toward the west than the east. Singapore is heavy influenced by the west in many aspects. It is very difficult for China to express her views through a predominance western audiences. China is already label as an aggressor by the west but it is the west that is kicking at China's doorstep.
It's time like these I wish LKY get up and slap the likes of 2 cents worth
Yes, the Dialogue started with a wrong footing, dominated by the West with their bias opening and assumptions !
Not true. Singapore is just being neutral and need to show it is. The forum is a great opportunity for China to say her piece, defend against what the West accuses her to be and also to put her case forward.
It’s always good to use the style the other party understands to communicate. Americans are pushy, China can too.
There are many ways to get the message across even humorously.
It’s an open forum and has to be.
I prefer siding with the west than china
West kicking China doorstep? How???
Speakee Ng gave a very educated answer regarding the china general question. This chinese general was not asking rather injecting unfounded insinuations.
I really love Minister Ng's response, well thought out and articulated..
He was barking nia! What well thought out and articulated? Ha ha ha!
He's obvi speaking for allied side n said China need not attend if it doesn't want to .
Singapore, please don't be over proud. But don't worry, China has a big heart and is famous for being strategically patient.
@@medialcanthus9681 Do not twist his words.
@@munozgiovanni9384 That's your perception. Singapore is a gentleman.
果然是上代长老。回复的有见识、有深度、有气场、有气量！只有见识与心胸狭小之人才会把别人给予的意见看成刀枪！如果老李还健在，我想他应该会给于更尖锐的回复吧！
小李子敢对美国爸爸这样讲话吗？
@@wuwei9176 敢
Probably the best off the cuff reply by a Singapore minister in recent memory, channeling lky
The US and China were having a game of poker.
The US: Could you please pour some water for us?
Singapore: Yes, my pleasure.
Dr Ng didn't realise that they were playing poker at his house?
Dr Ng didn't realise that he should be at the table playing the game as well?
Ha ha ha!
@es loo he was being pragmatic. If China really thinks SLD is of no value, they wouldn't be attending. This general just disgraced his country with the rhetoric.
Mother hen talking kok lah. Why no sue China for the Terrex saga.
The Singapore minister spot on in his answer!
Excellent response from Mr Chipman and Dr Ng! 👏👏👏👏 Singapore, ASEAN had stayed strong through Covid and shall prevail again in whatever you throw at us.
Chipman gave an answer befitting such a forum. He used his experience and wisdom to provide a suitable response to the delegate's question, unlike the Sg minister.
SG minister addressed the motive, Chippy addressed the reason
mayb Dr Ng can ask PLA member how useful Beijing Xiangshan forum is n whether it serves interest of China....
Yalo. This PLA boy want to not happy show attitude then next time don't come la
I agree with Dr Ng on this. It is for China to decide if she sees value in participating in the Dialogue, to allow others to see from their viewpoints. Singapore being a host would welcome all nations to participate in the hope of better understanding between countries. It is not up to Singapore or any other countries to decide for China or could make China see the value in such Dialogues.
Saying that, there is no need for the member of PLA to be hostile on this. China and USA need to come to a common understanding on how they can play an active role in world peace.
A bit hard when the US is trying to surround Chine with its largest armada since WW2.
Ed Sim
Nobody takes a quarrel with Dr Ng reply BUT its the way he said it. He will regret having done it. To put it plainly Dr Ng's attitude was Haughty and Arrogant.
His reply amounted to telling China to take it or leave it.
Now who does he think he is talking to...huh??? Some insignificant nation in Africa???
China will be the Biggest economy globally by 2030 or earlier...if you dispute this please take it up with IMF or even the CIA!!!
US will not be the Top Dog.
I hope China will not forget this incident and hold the Singapore Defence Minister accountable then. Then China should make him squirm and sweat kow tow to China!!!
Singapore Ministers and even the PM are stepping into boots TOO big for them and they not only forget that but do it with stupid enthusiasm!!!
Such silly and egoistical people!
@@freddiepizerhall8324 no one dare to act against Russia even they had walked into someone country today, do you think USA alone would act against China, without a creditable reason.
@@freddiepizerhall8324 They've been at that almost throughout the world. Everybodies back and front yard has some US armada waiting to strike when US deem fit. That is the reason why US never subscribe to any laws of the sea or land. US is not a part or would ever sign up to any international laws covering our planet. They want to own all of us pewny maggots.
But that is because of History. The allied forces were the only ones which could stop Japan during WW2 invasion.
Moreover, after the WW2, US continued to engage with the rest of the world.
As for whether if China should attend such submits, it is for China to decide if they want to continue engage the world or be left in isolation like they did before.
We have learnt well in ASEAN and many regional fora that Jaw-Jaw is hugelt better than War-War and that many issues get resolved through incremental Dialogue - and great achievements in Peace between Statesmen as Gentlemen of Their Word. SunTzu of course will approve for this is The Way of Civilized Peoples not Savages.
You cannot deny that they are some places with gangs and villages that won't accept modernisation and continue to live traditionally. And this causes conflict between people who want progress and people who want to depend only on nature.
@@raphaeldaar
" Progress " have been proven to be a double shave sharps blade , since
"progress" haven't born from common sense but from the criminals European conqueror angloxajone colonialism. And that colonialist " progress" for 6 centuries have been erasing cultures, languages, religions , dress code , etcétera , etcétera ; plus the knows looting and pillage and the infinite ripoffs...
Even mención social advantage programs from the impose European civilization points of view around the world have been the reason than for the last 6 centuries the whole world has been living in a constant turmoils.
Probably not body have the right to went around the world change by force and intimidation the ways of living of others human beings with the excuses of implants the progress into them.
At the end of the day the imposed European progress meaning the European civilización has proven the creation of more wars , environment world contaminations , mother's nature destructions and human disgrace, massive humans emigration that the old natural tradicional way of living.
Time would tell if at the end of this progress road a third World War using nuclear and atomic weapons would force all of us to return to be living in a natural way of living, but with not more dangerous progress.
6 centuries of criminals European conqueror angloxajone ethnic group imperialism have been proven that such a behavior is something very dangerous for all the others ethnics groups .
US is war nothing else. US will lie, cheat and steal. No peace for them. Example, Yemen, afghans, irag, Syria, Libya. Did they said freedom and democracy..holla Lu ya …We mess you up so..clean up yourself we going to mess up Asians now..,
China and Russia never really believe in talk talk....more of pretend make u believe, then when u least expected dependent more on them , they do the unthinkable ......its coming , Taiwan be extra aware and seriously vigilant
a dialogue is better than a no-dialogue, however imperfect it is.
this is a false binary. Dialogues are the bare minimum, better dialogues are better.
A great reply Dr Ng
A reply that pissed is not a great reply
A question that pissed is not a good question
If you think that is a great reply, you must not be very bright.
@@JonKino828 your opinion is irrelevant and extremely dim witted
@@JonKino828 I know your kind
The see ghina Ng Eng Hen should be retired or terminated from the Defence Ministry. He can't answer a simple question without turning it into a combative stand-off. All the more embarrassing when the co-host Chipman - who doesn't get his million-dollar salary - eclipses him by providing a professional response. A day of SHAME for Singapore to have this see ghina cbai face in a high-profile position of government!
I think the Chinese general is correct and should be free to question the host, I strongly feel the host is very very narrow minded to the constructive question, very impolite, very arrogant, and trying exploit its host advantage and avoiding to face the Chinese , and using very england rarely common English to splash the Chinese, it looks very rude and improperly to be a host, it looks like you open a shop, but you say to customer or Chinese: if you want me change the quality and something, you could choose not to come shop!! This should not be way democratic and civilization Singapore treat a guest , you should politely express your point that the forum is not for co-op but for arguement, but should not ever impolitely tell any guest you not welcome. If you go to China for forum, and express your question and suggestions on a project , I would believe the Chinese or most of countries, even the western countries would never say you could choose not to come to our fighting party if you only prefer friendship, that is very very terrible manner and impressed bad feeling among the guests , making the guest asking become isolated, as a host, you must politely smily face any challenges and give all guests that you creat a good template for free forum and free question and you are the middle man between the fighting guests , but middle man no rude to the guest. On the other hand, the Chinese are straight kind, and Mr chipman are really easy to open minded, especially chipman is respectful , I strongly feel this forum host itself has problem, and very arrogant to most guests, we see USA and Chinese and many other countries express their points, can also argue, but should not rudely treat or looking down your guests, this kind forum could be established in any countries western or eastern , but I believe almost no host would treat guests like this way even a give hardship , there is no relation to kachip reason as excuse , nothing about the context Chinese asked, it's about the manner you are the host , leaving the global bad feeling and bad template, sly and tricky , ruder than guests, I suggest clever guests should not attend it or to create a new host forum instead of Singapore, finally my English is not as good as that good, but just express my unhappy feeling towards the host
Mr Ng Eng Hen's tone is condescendingly rude and insulting! The Chinese gentleman has asked a legitimate question and proposed some very constructive suggestions of opening up the forum to dicussing some positive developments instead of solely focusing on problems and conflicts! He is right that that would enhance the role of the Shangrila Dialogue in promoting world peace. He should not be so rudely answered by the host country! Minister Ng Eng Hen has shamed Singapore, not promoted her reputation as a fair and sincere country which supports world peace.
what a smart answer from Dr. Ng
It is easy to say if you do not like it, you can choose not to come. But this is quite rude because people come to a dialogue expecting it is open minded. It is the least a good host can do.
The Singapore defence minister avoided the question on US domination of the talks. If that’s the case, China can play the same game.. not a very smart response from the Singapore defence minister.
China is just a troublemaker. Nothing achieve
So good! So true!
great rebuttal from Dr Ng to this PLA fellow.....how useful the dialogue is is determined by how useful n constructive its members are...
yeah, trying to get back at China for the Terrex saga.
fair question non the less
only for a few seconds but pm lanlan go to China to beg Terrex released.
Well, i think China has hard time adapting to learn how to be tolerant of discussing western liberal ideas at international forums at overseas venue like Spore, with questioning format via open debates & forums that arise at the Shangrila dialogue. China delegates must learn how to agree to disagree in debates, instead of trying to sow negativity n doubts on usefulness of Shangrila dialog or undermine the nature of open & transparent flow of discussions. Minister Ng's view that it"s up to China's decision to attend future Shangrila dialog is the correct reply to the China General's attempt to influence to control the open liberal flow nature of open exchanges in dialog, instead of closed door discussions n scripted or staged media Q & A briefings with reporters. .🙏😇
Your opinion on the matter is skewed. Countries can try to adopt this sort of forum fashion but none of them needs to adapt to such western style of dialogue, including China. When this dialogue is attended by a majority of member nations that are allies or seemingly more friendly to America, groupthink happens. Do we not expect members to set out a tone that is not so favorable to China, when even the host country is a huge buyer and beneficiary of American tech? For sure China needs to be more transparent and friendly to its regional neighbours but I think the question the Chinese member had asked, was whether this forum adds any real meaningful value to building better relations between nations.
@@elseraga6446 Then don’t come. That’s exactly what our minister said. Hahahaha.
We never have problems with any other country. All the meets not involving this problematic country have such problems!!! We should not invited this pariah ever again. Mindef remove this problematic country from the invite list next year onwards!
Singapore will bow down and lick up the corresponding hegemon of each era. Hard truth. For now it is the US, and thus we have sarong party girl like you sucking up western sausage. 10 years forward, it will be China and by then your will be more respectful towards them also. Small nations should know their place.
This PLA person said the platform you've provided is tilted but you all go on and give justifications of it is a mater of taste, it's suppose to be messy, uneven, take it or leave it etc.. INSTEAD of asking where have we tilted and how can we make it level in the future.
ShangriLa Dialogue is a gathering of intellectuals and civilized people who want to choose the path of peace rather than aggression. If China wants to prove itself worthy to be a leader of peace and progress in the region it should have brought peaceful initiatives, on the contrary, its delagates attended in military uniforms and attempts to discredit the value of ShangriLa Dialogue.
Commend the PLA general for speaking in English, despite being an action where many Chinese might frown upon. Showing his profound understanding of English media. How many western ministers and generals can do the same to show that they understand the east?
Westerners are so arrogant, they only expect others to respect their views and they never bother to understand nor respect other views !
@@Aramsa-Khan It was actually an excellent answer from Dr Eng. One that shows himself to be a skilled diplomat. Spelling it out directly will make it seems that Dr Ng is lecturing the Chinese, which will not be well received and beneficial to both Himself nor Singapore. As China obviously doesn’t need a lecture as they’ve got more scholars and talented analysts than a small island state like Singapore. Yet the answer gives light to why people still attends.
@@Aramsa-Khan Why do you think this is a rotten answer?
He was really rude, calling Dr Ng “DR HUANG” as if he was speaking Mandarin. This guy should be blacklisted immediately from all events worldwide.
@@murderouscountryfan8589 Ng is huang(黄) in Chinese. See how westerners get angry over things you don’t understand. Is it the innard racism or the media hate you so believe to hate a nation of 1.4billion?
As a Singapore citizen, I am surprised and not in favor with how Dr Ng has replied to the Chinese General. Sounded biased and cocky. The Chinese General has been very open to raise his thoughts and comments. We should emain impartial!
Which 3rd World country u came from?
Get his rank right before comment. U just promoted him
I feel the same, the host is very improperly
Friends and allies? Be real - international relations is about selfish interests like the US leveraging on dollar supremacy to coerce far-off countries to toe her geopolitical line. The alliance holds as long as the US still retains her economic clout and CIA power to bring down uncooperative nations such as playing on a nation's vulnerabilities. Even Singapore - does she have friends and allies? Malaysia, Indonesia for example? In a potentially hostile neighborhood, Singapore has to secretly choose sides to gang up with so-called "friends and allies" best suited for her own economic and political survival (even as she pretends to be officially neutral). China does not have sinister CIA-like clandestine operations to threaten the small nation's survival. Singapore is safe even if she openly stands on the side of the US. Not so if she stands on the side of China.
To say the least, Singaporean defence minister is quite rude in not answering the reasonable question on the if the dialogue offers an unbiased and impartial role. Instead he elaborated to the a comparison with Xiangshan forum. Not expected from a host, what is worse is it actually revealed his biased mindset potentially the official of Singapore.
I expect Singapore owes an honourable explanation to the general whom raised the question.
We know u r sucking brainlessly when u cant even get his rank right !!! General?🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣
As a Singaporean, our defense minister is doing a great job and we are very happy with him. He said it's a matter of taste and maybe it's just not to your Chinese taste. No need to belittle our minister.
Ng Eng Hen used all the words that is not at the China general's level. He will not be able to understand anything.
sure, so that's and you and YOUs' philosophy， say it to the other person, but not to make the other person understand. You call it wisdom or justicie, don't care if others regard it as arrogance or evil.
The US and China were having a game of poker.
The US: Could you please pour some water for us?
Singapore: Yes, my pleasure.
Dr Ng didn't realise that they were playing poker at his house?
Dr Ng didn't realise that he should be at the table playing the game as well?
Bobby, you can understand Ng Eng Hen's words? You are so clever.
Ha ha ha!
He's trying to show off he's more angmoh. China's reply will be we'll drill thru Isthmus of Kra.
They hv auto translation lah. This is high tech conference lor. Yr brain is still low tech but yr concern is noted by goggle translator.
He is hoping not to get a reply from that Chinese military personnel, that's all. In another words chicken out throwing smoke screen while retreating.
Ouch china got schooled by a tiny country. 😂😂😂😂😂
Its is through conversation and shared experiences, that we understand each other better. Sometime it maybe pleasant, happy. Other times pointed and uncomfortable. But the sum of all these experiences enriches the engagement.
Solid point
Wow, He answers like LKY ? Even some similarity in the mannerism... like the shrud at just the right time...lol... Give as good as he gets .... well done.... good answer, love the mannerism....
How are Singaporean ministers chosen?
Obviously brain and skill are not part of the criteria.
@@JonKino828 Rubbish ! If Singaporean Ministers are not chosen based on brain & skill, we wouldn't have achieved so much as a nation (one of the richest country and G20 member) despite being a small country. You obviously don't know anything about Singapore !
@@JonKino828 So if you've got brain and skills,How is that ,You are not a Panelist. 🤫🤫🤫
Worst answer ever by a host. Singapore will always be a follower and never a leader because of that.
@@anthonyraj3701 China will take over taiwan than singapore and kick all the other race out of singapore.Haha!中国🇨🇳习近平万岁万岁万万岁!!!
Just abide by International Law and no one will feel "targetted" 😂
The Chinese rep spoke in english. He could express better in mandarin. Clearly he did to be polite to the US & its allies. Spore minister should display more class as a host.
This Ng guy is totally off its mind. Telling its guests if they does not want to participate than don't come. Lack of tact and disrespectful, that's why the Chinese military officers questions the objective of this dialogue. Singapore should have been a facilitator to calm down the US continue interference of Taiwan issues. US has been the world Authoritarian Regime's. Invasion and regime change for the past 70 years.
China will never allow Taiwan to breakaway. That will starts the collapse of China. That's what has happened to the Soviet Union.
Essence of the message is valid from Dr Ng. But the body language and choice of some words can suggest a very different sentiment.
take it or leave it he said
Well, given the general's suspicions cast on the entire forum (and by extension, the Singaporean organisers), you want Dr Ng to respond in a meek fashion?
@@koon2038 Well, its the people of Singapore who will bear the consequences not him. Whats the benefit of offending the Chinese? Can Singapore afford to behave like Australia?
@@dinoyuan1574 if so then the whole world will have to kowtow to them.
@@tymw3637 Well you dont seem to have any problems kowtowing to the Americans for one...
If this is the caliber of a 4 star Chinese general, there’s not much to speak of.
Ng eng hen needs an injection of diplomacy as the Host of the event. Chicken or Hen ,. He is no cockerel, Emphasis on Respect is essential.
Singapore is a neutral country between the west and the east. The general and the PLA are just not used to hearing different opinions, as at home whatever they say is law.
only if that opinion is based facts instead of smears
@@darkbuckdarkbuck Just because most countries at the Dialogue dont agree with the CCP, it doesnt mean its "smear". It could be fact based hence the usefulness of the Dialogue.
I believe the question was directed at the west. I do agree as prevailing issues seems to tilt toward me west position n China may felt the meetings agenda is for Chinese to respond positively. The west however uses this as a platform to go against China. In short, as an sg, I stand on the Chinese side.
Any sane person will stand on Chinese side. Same cannot be said of your defense minister. How did he got this job? By brown nosing the white.
I agree with you, I remember south China sea incident a few years ago
Sangria-la dialogue is for the West to question China from the West’s view point, it’s not for peace. There’s is no need or no use for China to rebuttal point for point when you have different narratives of the world. China needs to state their narrative and views and bring evidence that the West is a bunch of hypocrites of which there’s plenty. In short Shangri-la dialogue is a stage for war, an information war, it’s not really a dialogue that’s why it is hypocritical.
Ng En Hen using his very competent command of the english language to show the difference between chinese in SG and China.
Are you saying that SG Chinese are arrogant?
@@JonKino828 In Singapore there is mental Hospital.Something wrong with your brain.Please report
@@JonKino828 sg chinese are more exposed to the world through english while in china they are trapped in a bubble, ignorant of the world
@JonKino828 - a china idiot general trying to act smart in front of the world defense ministers
Talking about differences is the first step of solving disputes. Not talking about it is just burying it, only to have it come back to bite you.
wats ur skin colour ?
@Maher al-Assad You just proved you don't understand. PLA imply it is USA centric because the topics are generally about differences than cooperation. China officially has always been about cooperation and avoid talking about differences.
Dr Ng response by citing that the SLD is following a liberal concept which imply that the topics are initiated by the participants and not dictated by the host. Therefore, indirectly implying that PLA is implying other participants are bias. Of course, he sugar coated it by saying it might be because PLA is not used to this kind of liberal discussions where participants can talk about what they want. Finally ending with advise to PLA they should decide if such liberal discussions add any values to them.
At the end of the day, most participants decided that talking about differences are more important which make every sense.
@Maher al-Assad What you doing is having a prejudice on the moderator and using that prejudice as a justification that it isn't neutral.
As long the participants are the one that continue to initial the topics and engage in the discussions, I don't think you can get any more unbias than that.
@Maher al-Assad Now you trying to justify your prejudice as "logical conclusion" while continuously implying the rest of the participants are idiots.
Arrogant and dumb
i think the ccp should ask themselves that in the midst of so many asian participants they don't have friends/allies!
Exactly. Their inferiority complex shows up clearly.
If Shangri-La Dialogue is about the discussion of East Asian affairs, why is US involved? Not only that, why is US playing the dominant role? We just had a Summit of the Americas, China was not involved at all. This Dialogue is designed to serve the geopolitical interest of certain country.
Bullshit, its not like the big countries are not invited. So its stupid to say that only US is involved, all the other european and asian countries are also invited, its up to them whether they want to come or not. Only childish and superficial mindset will think of this as US biased. if one wants to stir trouble, it doesnt need US to be there to be used as an excuse. And dont be hallucinatory to thinkn that US does not have a say in the world. The US dollar is the major currency that is being used for international trading, only hermits will think the world revolve only around the chinese. I am a chinese descent, but if any chinese think that the world is chinese centric, then clearly they have no idea what they are talking about. This world is human centric, and so does this society. Its racists and inhumane to say its only one culture/race biased. Its stupid comment and clearly the above commentator is out of his/her depth to pass such irresponsible and baseless comments. lol. Its a joke.
Shangri-la dialogue is the place for
" he said, she said "
At the end of the day the net gainer are the hotel, restaurants, airlines, etc ...
Could have done the same on Whatapp and Telegram - what a F.waste of time.
Why Ukraine was invited to IISS but not Russian? As Mr Ng said China could decide to attend the IISS, why not let Russian to have a chance to make that decision?
I suspected someone in the organizing committees purposely forget to sent out the invitation?
SG is pro US thought they don't want to be too obvious, the way Ng reply to a China general, take it or leave it say it all, I doubt he will behave the same when a US general ask similar question
Pretty sure Russia has plenty to talk about in the previous few UN conventions… maybe getting Russia and Ukraine on the same table again in Shangri-La dialogue will turn this into yet another Ukraine War discussion, rather than focusing on other important topics, easing tensions elsewhere and bring about more cooperation for longer term betterment.
Knowing that the majority of the audience may not understand his very "chim" English and using such bombastic words as "raucous", "discombobulating" and "rambunctious" only demonstrate that Dr Ng is a big show-off. It doesn't bodes well with people around our regional countries and also many in Singapore whose command of the language is not as good as his.
Why can't he just stick to simple English and don't be so arrogant as to show off his Queen's English.
Most of us Singaporeans are not like him and we need to resort to check the dictionary to understand him. It irritates us to listen to him using such bombastic words. We are not living in a Western totally English-speaking society. For goodness sake, please wake up.
Good answers honorable NG of singapore..
Dr Ng is quite charming..the way he talk...admire 🙏🏻
V disappointed with Dr Ng's comment . Perhaps he is v use to speak to sporean this way . Its super cool n easy to speak yr mind . But you better make sure you have the stomach to receive the respond , namely not allowing the recurrence of another seizure of armoured vehicles in hong kong . We r a tiny island n dont have the muscle to withstand any blow from the big three . A wise move is to kaysiow " eat humble pie"n tread a fine line to get the best in the new world order .
Does anyone care if u r disappointed?
@@deschan2246 Does anyone care whether you care?
Singapore being such small dot should know where they stand. Don't be so cocky that you can punch above your weight. LKY is no more around.
Cockiness defines Singaporeans.
As SLD host, your duty is to connect with every nation as best as you can to gain common ground in regional security. It's not a platform about showcasing your Queen's English or to convince others that you belong in the elite class. So Ng Eng Hen - please the onus is on you to make yourself clear in plain language. The security summit is about regional security not about you. It is unnecessary to flash your own ego here.
Minister Ng use of uncommon, obscure, big english words towards non-native speakers itself is says alot. This is a pro-west forum. Loll.
Having the dialogue in Sg is never neutral. Sg appears neutral but is infact more pro-US.
Look at Sg PAP. The founders are all western universities trained, while opposition with Chinese education background were jailed.
More pertinent to the question from the PLA official is whether the SLD want to be a forum to bring diverse opinions and opposing parties into dialogue and build understanding where possible, or whether it is a free-for-all, where as Ng Eng Hen seem to posit, adopts a Western Liberal model, and for accusations to be hurled around, in the spirit of ... dialogue? As host nation of this regional security forum, it i sin Singapore's and indeed the region's interests to facilitate dialogue, and build a modicum of trust, and where possible, undestanding. It is NOT in Singapore's or the region's interests to allow this to become a platform for grandstanding, making accusations, and indeed, ganging-up on any participant country. Surely, SLD will become irrelevant if it becomes an echo chamber for one-sided views. The Minister might want to, in his great wisdom, adopt a more circumspect perspective of what SLD is trying to achieve, rather than a glib reply.
Totally agree with you. The SLD is going the way of the UN into irrelevance.
Ng Eng hen dodged Gen Zhao's question on whether SLD should be an unbiased forum that bring about better understanding of the diverging views and to resolve problems. Instead of a mud slinging session with unproven and false accusations. One wonders do NEH usually speaks in this manner using all the bombastic words all in a go and glib over the question? The PLA General should have the use of a translator. Despite of its contribution in the past he good intentions of the SLD is now in question.
@@charlies5885 I hope SLD has built enough utility in the past not to be undone by this one exchange. But yes, NEH dodged the question, which warranted a more considered response. Lloyd Austin used this SLD to push the China threat narrative. Eveyone and his dog could see that. This is surely the context for the PLA General's question. Which brings us back to my original point. What does SLD see itself trying to achieve? As a serious facilitator of dialogue, or a event organizer providing conference facilities and sandwiches. NEH's response, and I pulled my punches above, was tetchy at best, but shallow and ill-advised nonetheless.
One side-note, the many responses I see in the comments section, seem to be mostly from the anti-China crowd, fixated on the PLA General being thinned-skin or objecting to critcism. I wonder how things would go down if the Chinese opted to raise the shambolic withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan as irresponsible and incompetent.
Agree!
Exactly my view, if the host lost its neutrality very soon some will boycott the dialogue. Bad wisdom as our credibility will be lost, and its hard to earn back. As in the saying that the Chinese are aggressive, I will ask, how and when? Standing up to someone pointing and sailing their guns in their backyard is aggressive??? Especially when the usa has been going around bombing others based on lies and indiscriminately!!! Really that hard to figure out???
I'm a Singaporean and I think my Defence Minister Ng Eng Hin was incredibly rude as a host in the Shangri-la Dialogue. It's a bit rich for Ng to advocate robust debates and in the same breadth voice his displeasure with an accurate observation made by China's Zhao - Shangri-la Dialogue is just a facade for for US to burnish its image as the global bully where small boys like Singapore had better suck up to.
Why do I say Singapore HAS to suck up to US bluster ?
US supplies practically ALL our military hardware. Without spare parts from US; our vaunted Air Force F15 would fly the requisite no. of hours & be out of combat serviceability - unless we want to risk ditching F15 AND pilot into the South China Sea. It is our Air Force ( and uncle US ) that's keeping Malaysian Generals awake at night and reminding themselves; there's never a day which is a good day to attack Singapore.
We are out-numbered where army helmets count; we need to receive regular shipments (of grain, vegetables & meat) vulnerable to disruptions during a war and in a war of attrition without US re-supply of ammunitions or intervention; we would find it difficult to fight beyond 6 to 12 months. Our water supply is predominantly AND regularly replenished from Malaysia.
But the most crucial element in BOTH our economic and military good health - is US intervention. The EXXON Refinery in Singapore is worth Billions in annual profits. US would let any of our adversaries disrupt that business ?
Perhaps it is naive for China's Defence delegation to think Shangri-la Dialogue is a 'neutral' or unbiased forum to have robust debates. As a economic and military dependency of US, Singapore is nothing but a US poodle; albeit a valuable one.
But to give a rising military power like China; especially where Chinese form our majority race as well as the highest number of immigrants much needed to replace a declining birth rate among Chinese compared with Malays; a public ticking off - leads me to suspect Ng Eng Hin needs to get off his high horse.
I say this because if I am not wrong, our dear Defence Minister Ng is born in Malaysia and as such, his words and demeanor is a tad disrespectful to the privilege of being granted citizenship in Singapore. Personally, I suspect some Malaysian-born Singaporeans are never true-blooded citizens because they have a foot in each boat.
For the moment; Singapore has some use for China's ambitions. When China has all the international institutions to substitute our usefulness; they WILL remember our role as a US poodle.
When the time comes that China can flex its military muscle like what US is doing currently; Ng Eng Hin will not be around much less alive to apologise for his disdainful conduct. But we Singaporeans, our children will bear the cross - that China would return the smack-down delivered by a condescending Defence Minister of Singapore.
Kudos to all the organizer of the IISS esp.The President of singapore and prime minister as well for this flatform atleast to enlighten each contries. What is the basis of legality and differences to hear.its a grateful honor to singapore for the efforts they have conducted.thank you Singapore.
Dr Ng doesnt know his position well, lecturing the Defence Minister of a 1.4 bil people and proven world class Military, in contrast to his own unproven paper General qualification - a talk-down habit developed locally with his secured job. He isnt as savvy enough to overcome it on world stage , unlike LKY whose diplomatic skills and statescraft are beyond comparison in Spore then.
Correction: Dr ( Med) Ng has never been a General. He was a practising doctor before being inducted into the govt, and put on an express train to the current post.
I agree totally with you. He is brought up with Western diet, a typical white man’s mentality, talk down on others!
American's lap dog not differ from his leader?
@@leetan3306 Lack of political finesse and humility on a world stage.Lack of self awareness.
Being fluent in English is one thing, conveying a respectful conversation is another. Just another entitled doctor pretending to be a Defence Minister. BG George Yeo would have done a better job for Spore. LKY - the only Spore leader that China and its people truly admired & respect - is has no peer here.I cringed at his patronising reply to the Defence Minister of a 2mil strong world-class army.
"proven world class military" lmao. Most are inexperienced boy scouts with unproven generals.
@@pinkpenzu Read up the Korean war for yr own education.
Read up what is hypersonic gift for update. Read up the PRC weapon arsenal. Today's war is not fought with Spore Saf soldiers playing with M16 and WW2 APC. M113
Learned new words from Dr Ng Eng Hen.
Bloody arrogant. Boot locking US shoes. Who am I referring to? NEH
Very smart answer Dr……..a shame on the questioner 😂😂😂😂
What's the guest star Zelensky doing here without Russia sending its representative to attend the dialogue?
ask Russia.
If Singapore can't handle the heat it's best we keep a low profile. I doubt we have the nous to be an arbiter for these 2 behemoths. LKY is no longer with us - best not to have delusions of grandeur.
lky god huh
@@tankman20064 Well respected at the very least. Charlie Munger has a bust of him in his house. Can you imagine anyone else this influential owning a life sized bust of our current leaders? Or a Western one for that matter. Boris Johnson, Joe Biden, kamala harris, Ursula etc.?
Who can handle the heat? There’s no precedent for handling great power competition like this. But we have to do it because we have a stake in handling our footing between the two. And also, Singapore is not equal to LKY. Pls stop invoking him like some deity.
@Respin you seem offended by the critique of the current crop of leaders. Who's deifying LKY? Singapore's intentions are well-meaning but it must be pragmatic and not end up overreaching with ill-conceived public initiatives. The risk-benefit may not be worth it. Case in point - Political analysts would tell you that this event has further eroded ties between the US and China. Even worse, it may cast us in greater negative light with China. Is this the outcome we planned for?
Our greatest strengths are pragmatism and the ability to replicate proven, successful models and plug them into our system. This ain't it.
@@tankman20064 Definitely not God but he able to tell them go to hell while making their journey enjoyable.
China was always sidelined in this dialogue. Dominated by US and his allies. That was why Zhao asked him. China dont get any benefit through the meeting between both Defence Ministers. Its a ploy to separate and agitate Russia against China by the US.
If china find no benefit to attend, they need not come back in 2023. Oops, china still crawl back in 2023.
I believe the issue is the PLA and CCP are not used to open criticism in Global forums, whereas the US has always operated in these forums and had to work with the quite toxic western media..... The PLA's defense is to criticise the open forum as they believe its are serving the interests of the US, this s not the case the Shangri-La Dialogue is serving the interest of open dialog.
China have used it well to Globally put down a marker on Taiwan and then claim its in the US interests? Its only a platform.....
@DeRucci Then the PRC would have perceived it wrongly to think that Singapore is a Chinese country. It is not. It is a multi-racial country.
@DeRucci its not a chinese country. And china should stop treating it as is
@DeRucci this is an international forum, irregardless of race, language and religions.
@DeRucci Singapore a Chinese country? Where are you from?
It a fair comment that the Chinese official make. He's asking the objective of the forum. Is it one for confrontation or cooperation. Don't you think so?
I find Ng Eng Hen's answer rather condescending. He could have been more tactful. On the other hand Chipman's reply was much more helpful.
He doesn't sound too positive. He can don't attend next time if he feels so uncomfortable and negative. I think the general is used to the mainland conferences which are mostly scripted and Q&A vetted beforehand.
If you come to an open dialogue forum with prejudiced view that your opinion is the right one, then you better don't attend. In fact from the questions he posed, it's obviously trying to tarnish the integrity of the forum. Don't forget that this forum exist not for the sake of patronizing the CCP.
Albert,,you the man. Absolutely right!. For China- very difficult to swallow other opinions or ideas. Seems like they want play the role of Big Brother-- I say forget It ,🤫🤫🤫
We ONLY housed this Dialogue forum .We don't decide for China nor for the US.