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- "TFU Podcast" with AD Dolphin, Joshua Engle and Alejandro G.
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The five heartbeats was based off the Dells NOT the Temptations
Facts
Some of It was based off of the Temptations as well. Lead singer showing up late, lead singer leaving the group to go solo,the choreography from one of the group members was rubbed down and replaced by a professional choreographer, each group member taking a lead on the same song. Those things happened to the Temptations not the Dells.
In the behind the scenes documentary by Robert Townsend he said that David Ruffin, and another original Temptation I think it was Eddie Kendricks as imput/inspiration, but their was some issues with how Big Reds portrayal would be confused with Berry Gordy and they had to nix the Temptations assistance. So then production went with the Dells to assist in portrayal. So it's a blend of the Temptations, and the Dells.
Dells , temptation and the four tops
some of it was based on the temps not all but a bit. But each 88% was the dells
#DavidRuffin Fucking #LEGEND ........ one of the Greatest Male #Singers in History
The greatest in my book.......
David Ruffin was an Absolutely Amazing Talent...create and corner his Brand if you can..but don't disparage TEMPTATIONS. Not a good look...Everyone saw the movie.
It appears Every member was warned..'No one bigger than the group'. Build Your own Brand; Too old to be called Sons of TEMPTS. No deadline on Dreams.
No disrespect to Junior but there will never be another David, David is the only vocalist in my lifetime that could literally hit any note he wanted to.......
😮 Facts
NO LIES TOLD
Jackie Wilson!
@brendathompson2378 I love Jackie but he couldn't do everything David could do vocally, I will say Jackie was the better all around entertainer he could sing and dance......
That award goes to The Purple One, Prince. Bro was the Mozart of vocals and music creativity. Hands down.💜
People need to read the book that Otis wrote which the movie was adapted from. The movie as long as it was, only seem to highlight what was publicly known. Otis goes more into depth of the characters of the original group that shows his love for those brothers.
That book rite next to me that Marvin gaye and Jermaine Jackson rival was deep
David Ruffin is underrated as a singer and one of the best ever !
Underrated?! Sang 11 tracks that were in the Top 20 with the Tempts, had 3 solo ALBUMS in the R&B Top 10, He’s been inducted into the: RnR HOF, Grammy HOF, R&B HOF, and was inducted as a solo artist again into the R&B HOF and the Mississippi Musicians HOF. He’s also had a street in both Detroit and Meridian named after him as well as a mural in Meridian. That man is far from underrated.
@@Frnk_3People just throw that word around like it’s nothing these days.
His speaking voice sounds clean and like his father's. Dope interview yal.
I like this interview of David Jr. I definitely feel for him and hopefully in the future we can do another Temptations movie or a David Ruffin biopic and do it justice
The movie didn’t constraint on David Ruffin the family man but the entertainer they may have known his dad in a different way
Facts
@jarmaincharleston7405 thats a excuse Otis still jealous of Davis Ruffin because they showed Otis being a family man
Great point 😮
@@malikwilson7387When I watched it with my husband I asked him if Otis wrote the story and he just said "Yup" and laughed. He didn't forget to paint himself as a saint.
@@skepchica lol Facts
Not sure what is talking about here. The David Ruffin character made the movie! I love the scene when David said "Ain't nobody comin to see you Otis!"
I’d be annoyed if my parent, a fully realised human being, was reduced to a caricature known for a line that never even left his lips.
The Five Heartbeats was based on THE DELLS!
It was based on both. Robert Townsend traveled with the Dells. He also wanted David Ruffin to be one of the executive producers. Eddie Cain Jr was definitely loosely David Ruffin. Unfortunately he died before the movie was finished.
Not gonna lie. I can DEFINITELY see the same arrogance that's portrayed in the Temptations movie in David Jr
Not arrogant, it’s wanting. Wanting the life the audience the acknowledgment.
@@yeahmane1274 that comes with arrogance
"The temptations " movie made him the son seem like he is a problem because of his father faults . Huh......Sounds like he is a bitter person. Leon was great in the movie.
Truth, you DON'T see anyone on TH-cam sounding like David Sr. vocals
And we never will.....
David Ruffin is untouchable but they used Louis Price for the vocals in the movie. Louis could sing both Dennis and David's songs and do them justice, and that's quite a feat. Jr can sing, but he's trippin. He can't touch Price-- and that's not an insult.
@@skepchicaEveryone know Big Lou did vocals of David. Baut he hard to vocalize.
@@user-fb6lf3vl7p Sorry, I didn't understand the last sentence. I only mentioned Price because Jr said he sang David's songs better than anyone that was ever in the group. Jr is a good singer, no disrespect intended, but I'd have to disagree.
@@skepchica -lainly, saying no one upon TH-cam can impersonator David vocals We see the BlueNotes, with a Teddy style vocalist. Stylistics, when Eban was leading sounds similar to Russell. But none like the face concerning the Temps.
It breaks my heart that the Classic Five Temptations couldn’t keep it together for at least 10 years but David Ruffin Sr. was out of line and Otis needed to do what a leader should do when faced with a threat to the entire structure
He wished that too
@a.p4066 nah you got it wrong Otis was jealous of David Ruffin and that everyone Loved him .Otis wasn't a big draw thats why he ne er went solo like Dafid and Eddie who successful solo careers and Otis wanted full control he kicked everybody out
@@malikwilson7387 ummm no you got it wrong....Otis was never jealous of anybody that was and ever has been in the group.....he loved every last one of the clasic five....and he's said many times that's he wished the classic five stayed together......he and Melvin did what needed to be done to keep the group together.....Firing David was something they rather not have done but it happened......But in no way was Otis jealous of David..
@malikwilson7387 Otis wasn't jealous but he didn't like the fact that David wanted to rename the group to David Ruffin and The Temptations and at the same time Otis felt like he wasn't getting credit for being the founder of the group.
David only got fired because Eddie and Paul finally agreed on it, because initially they felt they didn't have a group without David but Berry Gordy convinced them that it would be alright.
Otis and Melvin wanted Ruffin gone.
Ruffin driving around in his car with his face and glasses painted on the side might have rubbed some the wrong way at motown and there was talk of jealousy because of that.
Otis wasn't the leader and he didn't fire Ruffin. Paul and Eddie had to give the ok before any decision was made.
There was no threat to the entire structure. Otis didn't like the fact that Ruffin wanted his name out in front of the group. It was an ego thing.
Robert met with David Ruffin In 91 I believe at a bar in Hollywood to discuss 5 heart beats..
The five heartbeats and The temptations are the two greatest musical movies
Pleeeease, please more David Ruffin! I want live albums, shelved/unreleased singles, live footage (I'm looking at you, Questlove..) He's been vilified for far too long for having a drug addiction at a time when people didn't understand the effects of childhood trama and mental health. If anyone deserves a second chance in the public eye, it's David 👓🎙️
Vilified by whom? He made choices, bad ones. He’s human, but to rewrite history isn’t going to change anything.
No matter who makes the movie its always gonna be someone that think someone wasn't portrayed right we will never know how people interact with each other behind closed doors an also things that people will never talk about 💯
LEON WAS THE MAN WHO PLAYED THAT ROLE TO THE MAX
SO JR SIT DOWN THAT MOVIE MADE MONEY DAVID WOULD HAVE APPRECIATE
R.I.P
DAVID RUFFIN❤
The shitty ass movie brought out David and Paul’s inner demons to the fullest, didn’t know what to do with Eddie and Melvin and really made Otis holier than thou
I promise in the hotel scene where he got the news about his son, I asked my husband "Did Otis write this?" He said "Yup." Otis didn't forget to paint himself as a saint.
tbf it did show otis having an affair
#GREAT Guest; ... Good for him to get His Side out ... has a Unique perspective
The Five Heartbeats movie was definitely not based on the Temptations..It was based on the Dells..
It was based on both 🤔
@@beenfrank
No it wasn't.. If so the Temptations would have been paid consultants just like the Dells were
No it wasn't it was loosely based on different black singing groups rolled into one the Dells were one of the groups in the movie the part where "Big Redd" hung the guy out of the window wasn't the Dells if I'm correct it was the guy who replaced "Eddie King" it happened to him when he was in the other group when asked about his royalties I can't remember all of the groups involved but it was "The Dells the Temptations & the Cadillacs" those 3 I know
@@Rockzilla404 bro the Temptations series is almost the exact same story as Five Heartbeats
🤔🤔🤔💭
5 Heartbeats one of my favorite movies of all time
@@davidreese2709 Fax 💯
Junior DON'T kick Cheryl Ruffin, she been the biggest supporters keep his legacy alive. Many recalled in Unsung the negative you spoke about your father.
That's what I was about to say Unsung made him seem worst then the movie
@@capcitymediagroup831 Agree and good Junior was the biggest negative.
@@user-fb6lf3vl7pDavid Ruffin jr mom also has said a lot of negative things about David Ruffin Sr. Not one splitter Temptations group recruited David jr. to their group. Paul Williams jr. sang with Dennis Edwards Temptations. David Jr. was on a singing tv show & the stars didn’t know who he was. He need to stop blaming others.
Every parent/child relationship is unique. Love is there but some days memories can just hit different. So respect whatever feelings remain even if those are different day to day.
The truth is Ruffin Sr was a very troubled man. Jr is a very average singer at best.
Don't forget David Ruffin was part of the classic 5 lineup of The Temptations
To be fair, even Otis himself said he had no control over the TV movie project. Lots of things in the group were fictionalized for dramatic purposes. The true story won’t be told cuz every member has their own recollection of what it was like during their tenure in the group. Had Eddie, David, Paul and Melvin lived, they could’ve given their own versions of their time in the group. Otis’s story is HIS version of what happened NOT the complete story of the group.
They were all alive, except Paul, when the book came out, and none of them had Jack or Jill to say about anything written in it.
@@mykoniichistorychannelBecause ain't nobody trying to read about Otis. 😂😂😂 But the movie was seen and talked about. To be fair, Otis didn't forget to paint himself as a saint.
Truth, Shelley seems to comprehend more power than many ever a Temp. Otis lost without him.
5 heartbeats was based on the dells at the end of the movie they show the pixture of the dells😊
Before social media they got away with lying in biopic movies 🎥…I hear Tina Turner movie was a bunch of lies she was nothing like how they portrayed her in “what’s love got to do with it”..
You mean nothing like her how? The abuse she suffered from Ike or personality wise?
Was the titanic movie 100% facts cmon man it’s hollywood that’s normal lol
Tina herself said the movie took liberties with her story, yet nobody has ever refuted the source material. Just like when the book Otis wrote was put out, all of the Temptations, barring Paul, were all alive and well and could have challenged any untruths, and they didn’t. It’s not like Tina and Otis wrote the films. They signed away the rights to the story and the studio could do with it as they wished.
@@Carolina_girl86I think he’s been watching Joe Brown and his nonsense.
@@mykoniichistorychannel Tina was so pissed off about how she was portrayed as a victim, she never would watch the movie. Tina gave as hard as Ike.
I actually liked the Movie an also have personal memories of of my Uncles an mom telling us stories about Paul an Eddie Alabama days
I don't know if he inherited his father's voice but he definitely inherited his arrogance..
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Ruffin's "arrogance" was well deserved. Probably was one of if not the greatest singer of all time.
@@skepchica I always said, if I could sing like he could, I would have been arrogant too!! 😂
@@skepchica
What you're trying to say is that Ruffin's arrogance was warranted not " deserved" He was one of the greatest of all time but his arrogance was one of the reasons he died broke. What good is being great if nobody wants to work with you?
@@Rockzilla404 Was he broke or just got off tour with Eddie and Dennis? I'm trying to say what I said. Every musician worth their salt has an ego- it's what seperates the good from the great. The front man having the biggest. We'd wouldn't have ever heard of the Temptations without David Ruffin. You think Madonna doesn't have an out of control ego? Prince didn't have a wild ego? Rick James? I could keep going. Otis didn't like anyone with too much shine and got rid of them. I've watched David and Dennis share a stage, couldn't have had too much of an out of control -- they didn't mind playing backup to each other.
Publishing is where the power is at that's why the music industry is connected to the Mafia
GC cameron was as a close lead in vocal ability to a david… other than the great ali woodson!!!!
Ali Woodson definitely sang David's lead almost like him, but you can tell it was still his own voice!
Best podcast on the planet :)
I have said for years ,I respect the legacy of all the Temptations, and Otis Williams as the lone surviving original member is seen as the torch bearer of the Tempts for the most part, but the legacy of the estates of the Temptations should be respected as well. Particularly those of the most known version the Classic Five lineup. To me the Sons of Motown is who should be carrying the Temptations banner now. Otis is well into his 80s as of this writing and Ron Tyson the longest tenured current Tempt with Otis ,voice is long gone. Pass the baton to the Sons of Motown which also feature,Melvin Franklin Jr Paul Williams Jr Glen Leonard Jr and Richard Street Jr. If Otis has to be involved let him.co-manage them with Shelley Berger ,but pass the baton to the Sons of Motown
"They were just all pawns on a chessboard where all the good pieces were gone." FACTS! Ive said for years Otis kept replacing people until they became a cheap revue of themselves.
You can tell this dude be lying
Through his teeth.
No lie that made David Ruffin seem like he was just a egotistical drug addicted 24-7 after the my girl song came out
Dude look like a white Nipsey Hussle
😂 fu sho
Five Heartbeats was about the Dells loosely
It was about both of them loosely and a little bit of everyone else that was around during that time
I have never heard of David ruffin Jr..
Kind of curious what his interactions were with the other temps he didn’t talk about in this interview. I know obviously David Sr was his father and the beef between Sr and Otis Williams carried onto Jr but what about Eddie, Paul, Dennis Edwards, and Melvin?
He was probably still young when Paul died so it’s not like he would have really known him but David Sr was chill with Eddie and Dennis. So I’m assuming Jr knew them before they passed.
If he was so bothered by the comparisons to his father, he could have reverted to his birth name of David Sapia and tried to make it.
I was confused also when the host asked about temptations as if there were two bio pics, but i think he got it confused with the tyler perry movie of the same name
I think Robert Townsend used the Dells as technical advisors but the plot closely resembled some of what happened to the Tempts
Preach
Word has it the Crips kicked Ruffin Jr ass...
Love the john dolphins story. I know Jamelle Dolphin
David Jr is hating on Leon for playing his Dad to damn Good. 🤣 He misses his dad as he should. And wants a check🤣
The five heartbeats was based on the Dell, not the temptations
All respect to Mr. DRJ, the fact he’s never been offered to be a Tempt doesn’t shock me tho. He’s right about the whole power thing, 100%. Do I think Otis and Shelly are to blame? Partially. What about Motown (and later UMG)? The actual suits behind this. Plus, the movie was took from Otis’ book, yes. However artistic liberties were taken by NBC and DePasse Entertainment so it wasn’t verbatim. AT ALL.
Another example of this is Paul Williams Jr. His dad (the iconic and talented Paul Sr.) was the first Temptation to pass on in 1973. Paul Jr was 7, maybe 8? So obviously it’s a given that they already had Richard Street they would’ve stuck with him. Also let me be clear real quick, I LOVE Richard. Ain’t no shade on him/his legacy. He was perfect. You’d think later on in the early 90s tho, after Richard left, Paul Jr. woulda been offered but nah. He hasn’t been offered shit! The Temptations still haven’t had a TRUE baritone since 1971. Seeing Paul Williams Jr. up there with a group his dad helped build would’ve been something fuckin MAGICAL. Paul Jr. (luckily) got to join Dennis Edwards’ Temptations, be in the Sons of Motown, and started his own Tempts group.
Same with Melvin Franklin Jr. who like Paul Jr. sang with the Sons of Motown but has never been offered a Bass Singer spot despite his dad and Otis being practically like brothers for almost 40 years (1958-1995). Once again an original/classic 5 Tempt’s son who is literally his dad in looks and voice, and was just passed up. The only other guy who could actually do the job properly, Jawan Jackson, is luckily up on stage with the Tempts currently. He’s actually the BEST bass they’ve had in damn near 30 years since Melvin Sr. died. However, like with Paul Jr., I wish Melvin was considered.
It's CRAZY how much Paul Jr looks and sounds SO much like his father!!! S/o to Dennis Williams for putting him on stage.
They also said Paul's part was wrong in that movie. We need more real facts
Paul's part wasn't wrong .....they just left out the fact that his illness dealing with sickle cell led to his drinking
@@dillinghamfilmthey shown him commit suicide when he was actually murdered.
@@NYNEDollaSign that is what is still being said but not yet determined....I know his brother and nephew and we had extensive conversations about it....and none can really pin down anything...... Detroit may have been rich in gang and mob activity....but not to the point where something like that is still unproven
@@dillinghamfilm You think he shot himself twice? With his non- dominant hand?
And just because the truth is an ugly one doesn’t mean you have the right to stop it. Your father was abusive. He was a drug addict. I have an aunt who partied with your father. He died a fool. He was also one of the most talented singers ever walk the face of the Earth, two things two things can both be true
He died struggling with addiction. But calling him a fool? How lousy can you be?
@@skepchica him, Whitney Houston, Elvis Presley, Jimi Hendrix, and the rest of those rich gifted by God celebrities who have nothing better to do than destroy themselves it’s foolish
📌Dude look like Huggy Bear Brown ( Antonio Fargas) from the TV series STARSKY AND HUTCH, in the 70's.✌🏽😂
Nope. Ali Ollie Woodson did very well. David Jr. doesnt have the pipes to copy his fathers voice.Woodson rivaled DR.
DNA
Aint nobody here to see you, Otis!
Honestly im glad the movie didn't show the phyco part of david ruffin he was so much worse in real life a abuser a narrsastic showoff and jerk leon made david a once good guy ruined by fame a person you can somwhat sympathise
Sorry even Brandon lee knew farther was a mode from another planet.outet limits 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤ .so if not for the crazy crap he stuck up his nose 👃🐽 God only knows what we would have heard. Think about that for years cause people still crying over this man.😢😮😢
I’m sorry David Ruffin jr isn’t a strong enough vocalist to be in even todays temptations line up lol
What does TFU EVEN MEAN?
The miniseries portrayed everyone
in a bad light with Paul being a drunk,
David an addict,Otis being hardcore,etc.
We need to raise some funds to
make a proper Temptations’ movie.
And doesn’t David Jr stop to think
that Otis is almost 83 years old,
and might forget certain conversations?
It also might be too painful for him
to sing with his former band mates’ sons.
Dude has created a whole career off of complaining about how his father was portrayed in a tv movie from 1998..
And you look, the temptation would be cool for the namesake, but you are not nearly the vocalist that your dad was. You are not a strong enough vocalist to be the front man for the temptations. You try to re-create your father’s rasp.but you don’t have it
North Philly's finest David Ruffin
These interviewers are the worse, they barely do any research.
Yes! I thought the same thing!
Love the movie but they did make david n paul look like an complete azz
5 heart beats based on thefour tops
David JR .. CAN'T SING ...
Jr.,nah bro, otis ducked you for a reason,i heard you sing and you dont come close to some of the people i heard cover him, his nephew even sounds better than you,bro,i heard you sing and yeah, keep your day job,whatever it may be,one thing you got from your dad,is a big head,only he could back it up,hate to be direct but sometimes being direct is what it takes to snap people out of their imagination.
Otis can't sing either.