My 2024 Houseplant Trends & Predictions!
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Anthurium staying niche is why the incredibly rare bougee varieties stay well into the thousands
Agreed 🌱
there's a bit more to this to be honest, there is hardly anyone telling people that they are easy. there is a lot of scaremongering though... + probably the toughest genus when it comes to gatekeeping etc. , because they flower so readily, with a little research anyone can cross them, which puts some people off. the last thing they'd want to see is certain clones getting TC'd (which is silly in my opinion, just look at the past few years poaching scandals around papillilaminum & dressleri). my point is that a lot of sought after varieties are tied to actual names, which I don't think will change any time soon.
Anthurium seems like totally well know in comparison to Ficuses. That's a true niche 😂
I'm sure in 6 months walmart will have them all for $25 each 😅
@@matthewglasgow4085 unfortunately that will not happen, not without TC. In case of anthuriums you might be able to get a hybrid of something prestigious for a "lower" price point, or selfed seedlings etc. The parents are usually some amalgamation of very recessive genes that provide desirable traits, so the chance of you growing something that matches your expectations is pretty low. the other thing about some of them is their actual botanical rarity. See the current craze around the papillilaminum clones currently in the hobby. Since Panama is such an endemic place for wildlife & plants, they look vastly different depending on where they were collected from a good couple of decades ago for the most part ( "ralph lynam", "fort sherman" etc. ) Clones of those original specimens will never drop in price unless they get into tissue culture. I personally hope we will get there at some point, the gatekeeping is REAL though.
I think Variegated Monsteras, Variegated Alocasias and Anthuriums are going to wild this year ✨
I absolutely agree about hybrids. I came to that conclusion at IAS last September. I don’t think it will be limited to this year though. I think hybrids are where the future of the plant world is headed for next several years. I think the plant community will be more cautious in spending a lot of money on plants because I know a lot of people who haven’t had much experience until the plantdemic and have killed costly plants. Also people who spent thousands on a plant have watched prices drop months after spending that kind of money so I think we will have a much more patient plant community with less of a frenzy unless the price is right.
I am so excited! BUT lets up the ante and do a vid on you past year predictions and see how many you’re right. Maybe a contest with Ben who got more predictions right!
That would be fun
Platyceriums (staghorn ferns) are very big right now. And I agree with you about unusual varieties of easy bushy plants being a hit. There are so many new varieties of Aglaonemas, Sansevierias, and ZZ plants out there that people are snapping up.
Yes to smaller and bushier plants. I too am tired of poles and plants that effectively become furniture because they get so big.
Never been a fan of the poles in the first place...
I think a lot of the hybrid anthuriums look to similar, so one or 2 are nice but having a lot of them not. Same with variegation, it becomes a messy blur (and lots look ill). Having different shades of green, some nice veins as contrast, one or 2 variegated plants and different leaf shapes will make a better, more interesting collection. And I think people will want flowers again, not only leaves. I have added nepethes (pitcher plants) to my collection, different shapes, different colors and not something everyone has or wants. Also a combination of tc and seed grown hybrids.
I’m personally leaning towards anthuriums and variegated alocasia this year. There’s definitely a surge in popularity for both of those right now & it would be nice to see prices go down, especially for the pink variegated black velvet which I’ve already seen go down a couple hundred in the past few months.
I think you and I and everyone else feel this way! This spring/summer tho I’m gonna finally get a nice size mint and burle marx flame for $100 each and that’s so exciting lol. There’s my prediction.
I agree
I think variegated ones especially, but I think the prices won’t crush ….. they will be more obtainable but still “out there” - I guess will see - again this is only productions
Ive never been a big fan of the Anthurium, however, my husband surprised me with one. He said he thought the flower was pretty. I have to say, that is my favorite plant in my home!😊
I’m here for the philodendron hybrids! They are just so fun.
You're spot on about anthurium being popular in California. I see the community here going absolutely rabid for the hybrid anthuriums with closed sinuses. Your video will probably prop the price of the Homalomena pink diamond up. I was waiting for the price to come down more. They currently run around $450 US.
I have a Royal Queen Philodendron and I absolutely love her dark purple leaves. I love the darker leaf plants!
In the Summer Rayne Oak’s episode with Marie Nock’s backyard jungle tour, Marie touches on a past croton craze with their own societies and beautiful hybrids. I would love to see an interest in them again rise. So much more than the standard grocery store picks. They are bushy with insane colouring. A lot of the bright foliage I see featured in Thailand right now reminds me of this.
It would be so nice to see plant prices stabilize. I think a lot of good smaller growers and sellers are the ones who have suffered through all of this, mass producers have profited. Seems like an insane market...the volatility has just been so extreme!
Anthuriums are all I see in my instagram, and that has lead me to believe no one cares about philodendrons and monsteras anymore. But I do like philodendrons because they seem less fragile than anthuriums and are less fussy about humidity and watering... Nowadays they really need to be variegated for me to get interested, but I won't pay big money (more than ~80€) because when importing there's always a chance it fails. I only buy inside of EU but still it takes many days for packages to arrive from Netherlands or Belgium to Finland.
In Poland anthuriums are at their best now, the community is growing. Hybrids are not too difficult to take care of
True and i think those are not so expensive here 🤔 idk why that is but i just recently bought qite nicely sized dark forgetii for about 80zł which is about 15£ 🙂
@@kingaborowska4113 Nice! From a shop or an individual?
Individual, sadly i don't know almost any shops that would sell it
I literally can never get enough of your videos you’re probably one of the only ppl on the internet to keep it so real and raw
great predictions. love the casual content. humbly differ on the topic of anthurium hybrids vs philos. the beauty of home growers creating their own anthurium hybrids relatively easily compared to philos will continue to make it attractive to those looking to experiment and create. watching anthurium emergents, different sinuses, veins, colors, etc... for me it beats the hassle of philos with their unappealing EFNs. also think philos tend to take up way too much space for the routine hobbyist, whereas anthurium don't have quite as large of a footprint.
I want to get more anthuriums this year as I'm running low on space
I agree! I personally get much more excited about anthurium hybrids. I think people find philos easier to care for although there are many anthurium that are fairly easy for beginners
Your videos are always a gem to watch..the knowledge and experience that you have are amazing..plus my husband alway have a great laughter when he hears you swear..says you're very natural n not someone who try to be the pope bc we all do swear..
I feel like we havent seen the living wall in sooooooooooo long! Can you do an update? I know for you it seems boring now but even just a short on the channel showing it off would satisfy me! Like if you want month living wall shorts!!! 😁😁😁😁
I am done enough with the Leaf on a Pole situation that I have a bundle of melanochrysum props that I might just stick in a pot and grow like a micans. So yes. I think bushier plants with fewer needs are just what the houseplant doctor ordered.
Thank you for being so generous with your perspective and expertise!
I'd love another investment plant video!!!
I’m excited about Philo hybrids, very excited, I don’t want things like an anthurium clarynervium x with something similar… BORING, but a Philo tortum x narrow for example? Neat-o
I’d love to see a warehouse tour.
I really appreciate your birds view of this house plant industry!
Similar videos forecasting 2024 from other houseplant TH-cam channels seem to focus on *specific* plants that they think will be “fashionable“.
However, you focus is on big themes such as the state of tissue culture, the potential marketing, that growers will use to try to increase their prices and so forth is so much closer to the way I naturally approach issues such as forecasting future trends. As a plant person, I like what I like so I don’t lean on other to tell me what to like. What is more important to me is understanding what factors will affect the price of what I want to acquire.
With respect to new hybrids, I think that will be very interesting to watch. Every person watching your channel are hybrids of his/her mom & dad. If your mom & dad have another child, make another hybrid, that resulting hybrid (your full sibling) will not look exactly like you.
In the world of indoor houseplants, I think about the specific example of Steve Nick’s Anthurium Delta force that resulted when he crossed A. Clarinervium with A. Pedatoradiatum. I’m sure Steve could take the same 2 plants that he crossed to get *the* Delta Force and probably never get another plant exactly like it. Unless you get a cutting from or get a tissue culture of the OG Delta Force plant, that OG Delta Force will be relatively rare.
I think of 2 different types of people in the plant business:
One group prioritize making $$. These folks want a safe bet and have no problem setting plant prices crazy high.
The second group comprise those who have an interest, almost obsession, searching to discover a rare unknown beauty. These folks might search jungles to find unknown plants or grow plants with the goal of getting the plant to flower, cross pollinating different flowers and planting the resulting seeds.
I want to think that eventually, the second group, the searchers and explorers will eventually become the drivers in the industry again.
Appreciate your perspective so much! Aso, over climbers and ready for plants that are full and "laid back".
I think your predictions are spot on because as a collector, I am only looking for a variegated or dark. Also, can’t wait until your fertilizer available in the US.
For the ppl.wondering its spathiphyllum blue ice couple of dutch nurseries are growing them atm
Yes, absolutely agree about philo hybrids, i saw recently the Lisa and love it 🤩😍
I just found your page last year, started following because of your attitude/demeanor and that you don’t censor yourself, love that!🤘 look forward to more this year, Happy New Year!
I’d be interested in a plant business recommendation vid
You've done plant predictions before. Also, after nursery tours you've done videos of upcoming trends in dedicated videos. I love your videos.
So true on the dark plants vs variegated. I never cared for variegated but was always drawn to dark leaves. Never realised that these may be camps 😅
i really think that we are just seeing the beginning of the anthurium boom. 2020 casual collectors are now hybridizing their collections and i think we are going to continue to see some cool variants and mutations.
Very insightful. I am working on my 2024 wish list.
I highly agree with going for low maintenance plants .i noticed a few plant pages on TH-cam mentioning they want to downsize and feel overwhelmed by their plants and they feel grated for the tougher plants. Personally 2020 gave a lot of planty people the time to stay home more and handle the high maintenance plants of their dreams . Life goes on
Here in Norway, Coop store's has been selling the Monstera Thai for 250 nok= 24,5$ .....
That was just a commercial move to get loads of new customers😅. I don't know when it will happen again, but I don't think it will be a common thing in these stores. It was only to make people come in and to make people talk about the chain.
Yes I agree with the dark, I’ve been actively looking for super dark and dark green with red back foliage for a the last 6-8 months. Fingers crossed some more will be available I the Uk
Totally agree about bushy plants in the corner. All my aroids have been “chopped to shape” and are not allowed to climb for miles!
yes yes that would be awesome to listen to your suggestions of - investment variegated plants video...plz do TY
have you noticed that a lot of Monstera "mints" are sold which are tc? in germany a lot of people go crazy about them and these plants are not the og mint.
would love to see another video on best investment plants 🙂
Not a philodendron, but i just bought a mutant manjula and I love it!❤
I love mine….but she grows soooo slowly and white edges get crispy pretty easily.
My focus this year will be on rare species of philodendron, begonia, and dieffenbachia.
I know this is crazy but id like to see a pink monstera of some kind.. i know i know i know, it can't happen. But i can dream can't i?❤
Yayy! Topic that i have requested! :D Thaaaank you!
Just bought monstera mint and im eyeing few florida beauty hybrids especialy with tortum. Also there is new amazing hybrid of paraiso x billie. Soooo pretty.
I saw that hybrid and I’m in lust. Tortum is my favorite, so that’s my holy grail. And mint is the only monstera I want that I don’t have. On the prowl.
I see a lot of people interested in anthurium hybrids in North America (including me), I think they are going to become more mainstream.
I always enjoy your videos! I’m one of those plant ladies that prefer dark leaves over variegated plants.
I have to agree with Ben, having only purchased anthurium seeds and seedlings in the last few months.
I really enjoy seeing how crosses mature. The suspense, the mystery… I get a hit of dopamine over and over with each new leaf. Each seedling is different and you always have the chance of getting a mutant. I won’t get that with hybrid cuttings/clones (anthurium or philodendron) that have the mature plant as the thumbnail when purchasing. Another perk to many anthuriums is their close internodal spacing, not requiring a pole. I feel a clumping anthurium in a self watering container in pon can most definitely be a contender for being the shrubby type of plant that requires little attention.
I’m excited for 2024! The only other things I plan on purchasing are staghorn ferns and a purple bougainvillea for my balcony in the spring.
I got a squamiferum x distantilobum in the states from a Texas nursery that is all seed grown at the moment. I can’t wait to see what they look like mature! So far they aren’t as lobey as the parents but it’s pretty young. It’s got some cute chubby leaves that look like an adorable fat cephalopod.
Cant wait to see more updates on this in the future.
Your dark boy is so gorgeous. I do love dark plants. The dark philodendrons are so pretty. Dark Lord, is it? I'm looking for more aglaonema, personally. I love pinks and polka dots!
A lot of the plants you mentioned were already on my wishlist for this year, imagine that 😉
Would LOVE another investment plant video, especially with variegates! In the US, monstera mint has been becoming more available through TC (sold as plugs in agar, pre-acclimation, though they possibly look more like white monster? like a matrix of white/green veining instead of mint and dark green variegation). Last spring, they averaged $200-300, now they are in the $80-100 range from what I've seen; waiting for them to come down a bit more. Acclimated ones go for a bit more $. Monstera albo cuttings in California have come down a bit, still seem to be holding value though at $50-150 a cutting. Florida beauty and ghosts can find cheaper online, still have a significant price tag in plant shops in person! I also saw a GORGEOUS, mature monstera lechleriana in a shop and it made me want one of those beauties! Thank you for the lovely predictions and all the great information!
Bring on the philodendron hybrids!!!!
Wait...WHAT???😳 How TF did I miss that people were walking around plant stores strapped?!?🤦🏽♀️ I mean...yeah in certain places here (🇺🇸) some can't take a piss without their guns(🤡) so yeah, I can see it. Maybe because my plant craze didn't hit until 2022 when I became an empty nester and not during COVID?🤷🏽♀️😅
Have you ever seen a Variagated Dwarf Xanadu?
I have one. it's freaking gorgeous.
There's a rising trend here in asia with bougainvilleas some are sold for several thousands of dollars depending on its rarity and rootstock age and form
I'd love to see another video on "investment" plants
I'd love another investment plants video for sure :)
I think due to over-flooding the market, certain syngonium species will become harder to find in 2024. I recently tried to buy a syngonium albo, and despite them being everywhere for the last few years, I found it quite difficult to find an online shop in northern Europe that sold them at a reasonable price in late 2023. Perhaps shops became tired of syngonium, stopped chopping & propping them, and now they're becoming harder to come by.
I found a zz raven in b&q in a shipment of green zz’s. Massive plant for £12! I’m pretty sure it was included in the delivery by mistake! Highly recommend . Totally dark.
Great Topic! I would be very interested in a video about TC. Especially where thy come from most. What about private people doing TC. There are many TH-cam channels where if one is a bit lab wise can replicate this. Even with in detail Protocols. Maybe I am wrong.
She h has made one in the past if you search her old videos
Thank you@@gypsylee333
An el choco hybrid would be awesome. I have such a hard time with mine I’ve had it two years and it’s still so small. A darker el choco that’s easier to grow would be out of control beautiful.
Have you tried a splendid? Pretty easy and similar vibes.
@@gypsylee333 yea I have one! And I do love it, I don’t think it’s as beautiful as a large el choco tho.
@@botanicassie fair enough but the splendid is pretty easy so I love her for that
Main prediction - the spiritus sancti will no longer hold the level of exclusivity it's had for a long time and will no longer be hard to find. Really, it's already relatively easy to find and more people have them now - you just have to make sure it's the real thing.
I love Anthuriums ❤! It has been what I’ve been collecting lately. I wish less people liked them so the price would go down for the hard to get ones.
We are definitely at the beginning of the rise of platycerium
I'm from europe and I can confirm your story! some groups are snatching the monstera mints off the market in an insane pace. As soon as there are small shops selling 30 or so they are gone. TC is about 300 - 400 euros per plant but I've seen some sell at 200 for low quality as well. They are holding them back artificially at the moment only selling really small ones or TC. It will be interesting to see if private growers break them through at the end of the year. Oddly enough Thai are still selling for around 50-200 Euros depending on size and quality but you can get some White Monsters for 150 per TC. Which is weird but I guess they are not as well liked by private collectors. Personally I think the Mints are going to be more sought after once they take off. Albos still are going strong for private sellers. Shops not so much because you can get cuttings around 40-70 Euros and the shops are weeping because they realized private sellers chop them up and sell them per node XD. Not gonna buy a low quality whole plant if I can get really nice ones on Ebay and other shops from private sellers. I'm patiently waiting for the Mint price to go to around 100-150 Euros and then I'll snatch some. YES to dark plants and YES to easy plants. Thats why I'm betting on monstera because they are a favourite houseplant in europe. There is not a single person who has never seen a monstera casually lurking in some corner. At some point they just creep into your household or into your apartments staircase and you go "Has that always been there?". They won't be the "big buck" but they will be your bread and butter.
I for one, welcome our hybrid overlords..
Also agree about hybrids and the Mint Monstera. Philodendron hybrids, especially those involving the Spiritus are interesting to me. I haven't really seen Alocasia hybrids but I wish that there were some since they have so many different leaf shapes and colours! I also agree on Anthuriums being niche, but I have to agree with Ben too, they've really been blowing up lately, can't say that I'm into it though, some of them are cool but they look way too similar to one another for me to justify the money and space. I feel like if you have one velvet-leaf type, one ribbon-leaf type, one corrugated-leaf type, a dark/red Anthurium and a pedatoradiatum you've pretty much covered most of the Anthurium range, then if you add a bird's nest type, you're now officially an Anthurium breeder. The variegated ones just suck, I'm sorry.
The plant that interests me the most at the moment is Monstera deliciosa, I'm in love with the different morphological varieties (Sierrana, Brazil, BMF, Compacta, Macrocosm, etc.) and also its variegated sports since it has so many! I've also been getting into just different stuff, no genus in particular, I'm excited about my new Microsorum thailandicum, I'd love to try a Licuala palm, I recently fell in love with a plant called Pithecellobium confertum, might try my hand at bonsai but also at a jungle-type high-humidity terrarium.
Happy New Year!!
My local nursery had a bunch of Thai Constellations for $120.00 US. Caved and bought one 😅 still growing well though 🤞 I wonder if things changed so heavily because so many people took a shot at growing and decided which worked for them and which didn’t. I’ve honestly kind of given up of pothos/ philodendrons tbh. But I’m in LOVE with my Jade right now
I got one that I thought was a great deal from easy to grow. 6 inch pot in picture with just juvenile leaves. I ended up with mature leaves that needed an immediate repot. I love it!
From SW USA watching this coming into July of ‘24- this was SO SPOT ON, except that, in my experience, and I’m (definitely… maybe… kind of?) sad to say that I’ve seen anthurium hybrids exponentially more than philos… aside from splendid, glorious and majestics. And maybe I’m just in the niche… but I’m not sure that anthurium has stayed niche 😬
I agree with the Monstera Mint becoming a thing this year, most people’s Aureas seem to be unstable. I’ve heard the Mint is stable like the Thai Con 🤷♀️ There seems to be some new Philodendron species popping up in the USA now that look interesting 😀🇨🇦
Agree, aurea is SO unstable, I had 3, 2 reverted, one gone low var with every second leaf green. Annoying plant lol. Mint has to be more stable by the nature of its variegation...
😂 I need 👓 - I thought u were saying ppl’s auras were unstable & I thought okaaaay & what does that have to do with a specific plant 😝
Peace lilies will always be stable in my opinion just bc of how easy they are to keep
Im already looking for a borsigiana mint 🤣
My best prediction, Syngoniums!
YES! Investment plants ❤
Idk I feel like this only speaks for the UK because in the USA anthuriums have long been mainstream. And philodendron have long been dethroned here as well by anthurium. Hybrids have a possibility to spark that flame again but we are generally over philodendron here.
The average home depot, lowes, or basic nursery disagrees. I have only seen the same 3 cultivars. Maybe it's an arizona thing, but I know if I want a fun philodendron I have a selection of 15 at any given point. Changing quarterly it seems
Tissue culture. All day. Give me that affordable Delta Force🤣🌱✨👍🏻
I think anthurium are hot in Canada 🇨🇦
Funny I am not that hot for Philodendron, only my Philo Micans, Brandi and Fuzzy Petiole are happy and they can stay. I just don't like the growth habits of most of them and the leave form is either oval or heart shaped. I can see myself with the longer leave types. In contrast, I love my Anthurium. Mainly non-velvet ones (Pedant ones, Giganteum, Effusilobum; Pedatum), I love their huge leaves, creative leave forms (+ their change when they are more adult), their textures and they are easy! I only fail with the "easy ones" like Clarinervium, Crystalinum. The most bougee one is my small Pterodactyl, I'd love a dark boi next. They are doing great in northern Germany without any additional tech stuff, except for some lights in winter.
The price of plants are definitively bottoming out, I dont think it will go up to 4 for 5 digits again now that everyone knows that the price will drop significantly with time. Anthuriums are having a surge of popularity because how easy it is to hybridize, but that market is saturating fast since everyone is doing it, I think we are at the tail of the popularity and it will die down a bit by the end of 2024.
I think investing in plants that are harder to maintain might be smart move for a smaller business. An example of this might be the queen anthuriums. If people are unable to keep theirs happy to propagate them effectively, then the availability of the plant would be limited and cause the price to stabilize at higher level.
I think other type of epiphytic plants group might also become more popular. Orchids might have a resurgence, and platyceriums are getting a lot of spotlights in Taiwan/Japan.
I bought a pink flamingo anthurium in Tesco for £7. It’s taking all of my attention so won’t be buying any more! Getting it to “flower” is challenging. I do love it though.
I've seen monstera mint TCs on sale for $75 in the US
Looking NOW before they go up 😂
it's a different plant... There are two "mint" monsteras on the market right now. The one sold widely from TC is more like Kunzos White monster, it's a large from deliciosa with speckled variegation. The Mint Kaylee has is a noid Mint (actually "Jungle Mint") from Barry Shwartz. The mature leaves look different than large form deliciosa, that's why it's called noid.
Investment plants video 🙏🏽
Kaylee how often do you get your hair done? Its always perfect, I'm jealous i don't live where you do bc id ask for your colorists name lol
I just want a Monstera Aurea or Thai Con that doesn't break the bank lol
I have a Billietai and florida beauty hybrid
Make a video for dark things that are easy?
I was on a waitlist with Enid's shop for years for a thia for 75 nothing ever came of it so then i waited for costa farms then that was a flop. Like an idiot i finally dropped 499 on a med size beauty. It was not even a month later they dropped significantly. Live and learn i guess .
I totally hear the Anthurium are a niche. I would say at least in America (I’m in California) people go fkin crazy for em. Especially hybrids. But additionally the prices for local buying and importing are pretty much the same (ignoring shipping) in my experience and that’s not wholesale pricing but you know what I mean. So tbh in my opinion buying anthurium locally or not importing when you can is the best way. Also less fear of poaching in my opinion.
Additionally I think Variegated Alocasia are climbing up the ladder so to speak more people are getting them so more corms/babies are available which is lowering the prices from where they were.
I think “special” anthurium (delta force. Bvep. Carlablackiae etc.) will keep a higher price but hybrids are dropping in price quite quickly cause they’re a bit easier for private sellers / people who already have the plants to make and pass around.
Var anthurium I think will keep quite a hefty price tag (for the velvety ones at least) the birds nest type anthurium are becoming more prevalent from TC from what I see.
Please do an investment video
Is there gonna be an Epipremnum RPI this year?
Was wondering about verigated ZZ. don't have one do .if it will be a good investment
It feels kind of like "pure species" of rare plants are not rare anymore. Like ofc there's plenty of uncommon/rare plants that no one is interested in. But the plant community isn't into many of those plants. But hybrids are a great way of producing stuff that can have that same rare feeling to it we all kind of liked before and during the pandemic.
If I think "I should" buy a plant, I do not;buy what I like/love.
What about silver plants? They could be liked as much as dark ones.
Yeah silver plants are nice, but beside Hoya and scindapsus, are there really any large amount of specimens of philodendron and Anthurium (not including veiny crystallinum types) that present silver ik a permanent manner? Bc the Philodendron Sp Silver, Anthurium sp Silver Peru, mature cebu blue, Philodendron Majestic, Sodiroi, etc, all loose their silver or don't present them as starkly contrast as Hoya and scindapsus and these plant groups just aren't aa main stream due to various other factors including growth pattern (by this I mean leggy trailing scindapsus for example). I'm biased anyway 😂 I love my big leaved fellers😅
Over the last few years I’ve bought hundreds of houseplants (thanks Kaylee! 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️😂😂) so my prediction for 2024 is I really shouldn’t buy any more plants!! I need to pay off my credit cards!!!
Can New Zealand please step up the affordable cool plant game.
The only reason these plants went up was due to Covid.
I never understood how new plant shops thought they would remain open once life went back to normal.
I will never pay high triple digits for a plant, it’s ridiculous. I’m glad plant prices are more reasonable. It’s still a fun hobby for me and healthier since prices are back to normal.