Keep carrying the torch for mATX-gang! We're still with you! Excluding Z690, can you think of a mATX board with more features than the EVGA x299 mATX? Still my favorite one I've ever worked with - 2 full pinned 16X slots, with a third pinned to 8x for bonus lanes. Only 1 M.2 but considering how old it is now, not too bad.
Asus ROG Maximus XI Gene Z390. I am having a really difficult time replacing this motherboard. I'll have to wait for next gen hoping they will finally release a worthy successor for reasonable price.
So sad that mATX is kind of dying. It really is the sweet spot between size, feature set, and price. I really do hope that some more manufacturers release something for us mATX builders.
@@dead-channel6842 It is hard to find a feature rich mATX, Either full atx or mini iTX, best mATX board I found for alder was a gigabyte B660M D3H DDR4... Sad as I need Z690 but like the functionality there. it is nice this one has 3 m.2. I got rid of my old quad speaker set up and went with this one.
@@gehennax1 yeah but mini itx is recognized as a enthusiast format. SFF are exclusively focused on it and everything SFF is small run expensive so the motherboard makers go in expecting to make an expensive product. There's actually more quality and options on m-itx boards than m-atx. It looks crazy with all the daughter boards and riser cards but the board then comes with support for 4 m.2 slots, a super high-end audio, wifi and, 10G ethernet(for 700$). They just don't make 700$ m-atx options. That's the bastard treatment. Itx is more like the pretentious princess child. Try really hard not to invite them at any family event that isn't absolutely mandatory.
Idk how long you've been doing the on-screen highlighting of individual board components along with what Wendell is saying, but just wanted to let you know it's super helpful. Thanks, editor.
I really like these motherboards that have the necessary stuff but in decent quality. MBs are something that people seem to spend a lot of money on getting features that they will never use and did not even know that they are buying. Lower price does not always mean low quality, it can also be mean no-frills but good essentials. This board seems to go into that category and I am really happy to see that the Z690 lineup also has boards like this in it.
I love this board! I had it for the i7-12700k and pushed it to 230w or so. I've sold that CPU to a buddy, and now it has a 13700k, am able to push 320w with the VRM reading at a toasty but absolutely safe 90c after couple minutes of stress. The z690 is such a good chipset. I have the m.2 all maxed out with 2x gen 3 and 1x gen 4, 1x wifi card, dac, and other peripherals. There are 9x fans and 1x pump running all off the motherboard's 6x fan headers (with splitters). I was also able to push my ram to 3800mhz cl14 ram running at 1.5v. Honestly great board for maxing out an overclock on most conventional cooling! (probably not great for custom loop overclocking unless you can actively cool the VRM)
I saw a review of the TUF Z690 that showed the audio was atrocious. Hopefully the micro ATX form factor of this one means the audio section is a different design and not copy/pasted.
I know the pain of the mATX enthusiast. I was so hyped for generation 1 Ryzen but I refused to settle for a B-chipset motherboard. I was on a 3570K and really hurting, but I persevered for what felt like an eternity until way later when the X570M-Pro4 from ASRock came out. That extra x4 NVMe is just too important.
The B550 doesn't have the greatest I/O, but it's good enough for mATX. Most board vendors are just lazy about divvying up the lanes. The best one I've seen is the TUF B550M plus. It has the second x4 NVME (my P31 runs just as fast in the second slot).
I can’t move to mini ITX form factor just because of the 10G nic problem. The couple of mini ITX boards that come with intel x540 is just too expensive.
Ciao, sai che modello di scheda di rete monta? Sulle specifiche è scritto generico Intel Ethernet adapter 1G. Non ho trovato il modello specifico. Stavo valutando questa scheda madre micro atx per fare un firewall Pfsense da rack ma devo sapere il modello di scheda di rete.
Check out the INWIN 301c for a build with this. IIRC, it’s the smallest non-niche case by litres for mATX. Edit: meant to note it has usb-c front panel!
@G-Misc 59 just built a machine for my mom in one of those inwin 301 case and am itching to build myself one, its smaller than my silverstone tj-08 and id rather use 120mm fans as those 180mm are a pain. im just not too keen on switching to win11 for the scheduler using 12600k or 12700k on that board. im not too sure about the vrm on the asus board as i like to tweak things a bit.
If you really want m.2 heatsinks and your drive doesn't come with them... the E.K. heatsinks are great. But they're problematic if you have chips on both sides of the m.2 drive.
Ive been really happy with my Z690M and 12600kf in my SFFPC, very high performance, better than a 5800x, cheaper, and uses less power and less heat. 12th gen is such a great deal
@SSS Dias if your talking about the Asus Z690M-D4, that's not a video out port or thunderbolt for that matter... It's a normal usb c type port for file transfer and connecting external media devices... Unless I'm missing something. I believe there may be an internal header for thunderbolt though on the board somewhere
I have this motherboard and 3xM.2 nvme ssds. In bios they all show up but in windows just the top one. In disk management/partition they don't show up...what shoul I do? Thanks.
Would anyone be able to help me, I have this board and I’m unable to change the BCLK, is this normal? I assume I’m meant to have bought a higher end version to be able to do so?
I haven't tested it yet. (I'll talk to you tomorrow), but my bet would be on this VRM doing a great job with the i9. The Prime X570-P has no problem running a PBO 5950x. This has similarly beefy heat sinks and a similar VRM but with one extra phase.
@@jstar2235 55 C on the hottest part of the board with my IR thermometer, during the final 5 minutes of a 30 minute run of Cinebench R23. Room temperature was 25C. The CPU was hovering around 165 watts during the run.
@@jstar2235 that was an i7 at stock. I don't have an i9. It's air-cooled and that's really right about the limit of my air cooler. I'm going to retest it with an AIO and overclock it. I think my results are pretty good for a stock i7 and I don't think it would have any trouble with the stock i9.
mATX were super popular in 2010s; but, because GPUs got so freaking huge you need full ATX if you want any USABLE pcie slots. The nearest usable slot that won't choke your GPU like it's in a pr0n nasty is 4 slots down - so falling off mATX. Additionally, mATX often have issues with VRM heat build up as the traces on the power plane tend to be smaller, there just isn't the same thermal mass of copper traces compared to full ATX, when power peaks those thermal pulses are that much more noticeable in a small mobo. Plus, greater trace density tends to make smaller mobos worse overclockers, compared to equivalent ATX brethren, due to increased signal noise. To have the performance of a 6 layer PCB in ATX you need an 8 layer mATX - which means paying more for the same feature set. If you want a compact build, without going into ITX super compact, just get a well designed ATX case, some newer ATX cases are very space efficient; for example - Meshify C (c for compact) takes a full ATX board and is in a size that, during the 2010s mATX boom, would have been a compact mATX case. The current design trend is to shove m.2s under the GPU, then have usable PCIE slots 4 slots down and save on the headaches of working with a compact board. I think Wendell didn't quite have the right take on manufacturability. My 2c.
Ever since they added networking and sound to the motherboards, most folks don't need an extra PCIe slot. Most people don't need 10G networking or capture cards. And I suspect the trace density issue (which is more an mITX issue anyway) could largely be solved by having 2-DIMM mATX or DTX boards. It's not like anyone needs 20-stage VRMs with ambient cooling. There are just very few mATX-specific cases, so without economies of scale there's no reason to buy mATX. Likewise, DTX probably fits in all non-riser-dependent mITX cases (cable cutouts notwithstanding) and should be cheaper, but good luck getting DTX to catch on.
Wendell speaks the truth, and I get angry. I only want uATX boards for my builds. It bugs me that in 2021, people are still building full size ATX PCs like it's 1995.
mATX were super popular in 2010s; but, because GPUs got so freaking huge you need full ATX if you want any USABLE pcie slots. The nearest usable slot that won't choke your GPU like it's in a pr0n nasty is 4 slots down - so falling off the mATX. Additionally, because the traces are a lot thinner and more crowded on mATX they are (generally) worse overclockers than their equivalent ATX brethren and have issues with voltage regulation as the thinner power plane gets hotter. To have the performance of a 6 layer PCB in ATX you need an 8 layer mATX - which would mean paying more for the same feature set. At that time people would rather just get a well designed ATX case, some newer ATX cases are very space efficient; for example - Meshify C (c for compact) takes a full ATX board and is in a size that during the 2010s mATX boom would have been a compact mATX case. The current design standard is to shove m.2s under the GPU, then have usable PCIE slots 4 slots down and save on the headaches of working with a compact board. I think Wendell didn't quite have the right take on manufacturability. My 2c.
I agree w/ these comments. I realize I'm posting on Level 1 Tech's channel, but outside of this crowd, how many users will overclock their PCs? For that matter, how many will used additional PCIe cards? Clearly there are use cases for full size ATX boards (or eATX, for that matter). I have no problem whatsoever with enthusiasts using ATX and loading them up with peripherals and overclocking to their hearts content. But for the other 99.99% of users, even gamers, a uATX case is functionally equivalent and will save some space. In my opinion, it is usually the right choice... as long as the manufacturers don't skimp on quality. I wish uATX would be marketed as the standard, and ATX would be considered an option... not the other way around.
@@SciPunk215 anyone who streams needs a capture card, if you have a 6800+ or 3080+ card, good luck finding one narrows enough that will allow you to use the BOTTOM slot on mATX, without restricting the airflow to the GPU. That is IF the mobo has a working x4 on the bottom, if it's in a higher slot, you're totally stuffed. Want to add 10Gb networking or hardware raid? Good luck with that for same reasons. mATX is just bad, you don't save enough size over ATX to matter, but you give up all the expansion possibilities, in practical terms.
@@lucidnonsense942 Why would mATX have any worse power delivery than ATX? Above the PCIe slots, it's the same size. And why would anyone who streams need a capture card? I thought that was only used for input from consoles. And most users are not and should not be buying $800+ video cards.
I got this mobo and noticed the cpu does run a little hot due to its spacing. I have the intel i7-12700F 2.1ghz On idle it was running sometimes at 40c and 60c My GPU is the rtx 4070 12gb Psu is 750w 32gb of ram Recommend any coolers that'll fit?
Coolers seems to have changed. Im using a lga775 socket cooler , Scythe Mugen 2, a 12 years old cooler, and my OC 12600k keeps steady 85 under h264 coding
We need more mATX cases. They look too small for ATX mid towers, so you might as well go full ATX. But I would definitely prefer something a little smaller, but still with 4 DIMM slots, a couple PCIe slots, etc.
There's no such thing as a gaming motherboard. Motherboards are neutral, they contribute nothing. but Asus boards in my experience are very well made ive never had issues with mine.
I have one. The NIC isn't an issue. All the heavy lifting for transport should be handled with your switches and cabling. 1 GB on the last hop to your PC is just fine. Not noticing any Audio quality issues. I can mix songs in a DAW and the bass thumps. At this point in technology, folks are really grasping at straws for minimal gains they don't actually need, but want. Like buying a golden butter knife instead of a regular one just because it is more expensive and shines. Doesn't have any gains in spreading butter on bread. Like the folks that got the 3000 series RTX GPUs, now they have the 4000 series just because they want to say they have the latest. I built an Asus X79 system coming up on a decade ago with an Ivy Bridge Hexacore. Sure, the Haswell was available, but the minimal gains didn't justify the costs. And it lasted me 10 years until Microsoft started sending "updates" to force my system to be obsolete. So I bought a new one with this board because I don't feel like building one. Liquid cooling (yes, installed correctly so it doesn't burn up), i-9 12th, with 13th gen capabilities 64GBs of DDR4 ram and an RTX GPU. This might be the last mATX, but it is a good transition board to plug in your old SATA drives to use for cheap, low priority storage as those are being phased out. The only upgrade I am doing now is storage. Going to get a 4TB M.2 and still have another slot available for the future. Sure, could just use the cloud, but having my personal information in someone else's infrastructure doesn't fly with me. Hope to see a 100% optical board and a quantum CPU someday. Latency would be something we would joke about while remembering the past at that point.
I had the same question about adding the TPM module. It seems the processor itself has the TPM functionality and others have been able to install Windows 11 without the TPM module. Of course, the TPM module allows saving digital certificates. I am trying to find out more myself.
@@George_us I have installed the TPM hardware which was detected by motherboard. I am using it with no problem. I read that it is safer just dont remember where.
While i dig mATX builds.. ever since i seen corsair and amd do a custom loop inside a corsair 250d with a 290x I've been wanting to do a itx build with a custom loop ..looking forward to your itx coverage 👍 👏
With Thunderbolt add-in cards for this board, if you wanted to connect a display, would you: A. Find an add-in card with DP in, and wire up your GPU B. Not do the above, and use the iGP to power the display C. Just can it and plug the display directly into the GPU ? Thanks.
Why can't they just have a normal fin array for heat sinks anymore? I only seen the most expensive gigabyte boards with them now. The oldest, simplest, best tech on the high end boards...
It's a good board, but the Asus primes have one huge problem - it takes a very long time to turn on. Msi can be turned on and off 2 times while the computer is booting from the ASUS, and the Asrock can turn on and off 3 times during this time. It's very, very unfortunate. I had to sell my prime z490m in 24 hours after buying and I will never go back to them
Inflation+component shortage+ new launch. The cheaper B660 boards should launch in January if you are a tighter budget. Also 12th gen CPU's are significantly cheaper than the Zen 3 parts they beat, so the more expensive motherboards arent that expensive when your 12600kf is beating a 5800x and costs significantly less.
no reason for an intel board to not have a thunderbolt connection. especially on 12th generation all the things they dont want to put on the board, you could use the thunderbolt dock for , but they didnt add it
There's this thing where not everybody who will watch a video watches it the moment it goes up, and how unless the channel deletes it, the video is there forever to be viewed, and that given a little bit of time the viewing figure changes.
Keep carrying the torch for mATX-gang! We're still with you! Excluding Z690, can you think of a mATX board with more features than the EVGA x299 mATX? Still my favorite one I've ever worked with - 2 full pinned 16X slots, with a third pinned to 8x for bonus lanes. Only 1 M.2 but considering how old it is now, not too bad.
There is a TR40 mATX board.
I have an matx board with only x16, x8, and x1 but has 2 m.2, 8x sata, 2x 1gbe, 2x 10gbe, ipmi, and some other neat stuff. 🤷♂️
All of my builds are matx somehow.
Asus ROG Maximus XI Gene Z390. I am having a really difficult time replacing this motherboard. I'll have to wait for next gen hoping they will finally release a worthy successor for reasonable price.
Thanks, L1Techs, for creating content that also covers non-godlike motherboards.
So sad that mATX is kind of dying. It really is the sweet spot between size, feature set, and price. I really do hope that some more manufacturers release something for us mATX builders.
Whit is it dying or it isn't been recognised
@@dead-channel6842 It is hard to find a feature rich mATX, Either full atx or mini iTX, best mATX board I found for alder was a gigabyte B660M D3H DDR4... Sad as I need Z690 but like the functionality there. it is nice this one has 3 m.2. I got rid of my old quad speaker set up and went with this one.
😢 Micro-ATX is my preferred size. But it's always the bastard child that only gets leftovers
so true so true!
We have the Asus Z690-G Rog Strix, but it's extremely expensive 😢
Im a mini itx bastard grand child 🤣
@@gehennax1 yeah but mini itx is recognized as a enthusiast format. SFF are exclusively focused on it and everything SFF is small run expensive so the motherboard makers go in expecting to make an expensive product. There's actually more quality and options on m-itx boards than m-atx.
It looks crazy with all the daughter boards and riser cards but the board then comes with support for 4 m.2 slots, a super high-end audio, wifi and, 10G ethernet(for 700$). They just don't make 700$ m-atx options. That's the bastard treatment. Itx is more like the pretentious princess child. Try really hard not to invite them at any family event that isn't absolutely mandatory.
Usually mATX is the bone tossed to low end. It's sad because I love the compactness without sacrificing too much hardware compatibility.
Idk how long you've been doing the on-screen highlighting of individual board components along with what Wendell is saying, but just wanted to let you know it's super helpful. Thanks, editor.
3:47 did Wendell intend to say "bidirectional" since that's what duplex is (he says "unidirectional")
I was wondering if I hear it correctly
I really like these motherboards that have the necessary stuff but in decent quality. MBs are something that people seem to spend a lot of money on getting features that they will never use and did not even know that they are buying. Lower price does not always mean low quality, it can also be mean no-frills but good essentials. This board seems to go into that category and I am really happy to see that the Z690 lineup also has boards like this in it.
I love this board! I had it for the i7-12700k and pushed it to 230w or so. I've sold that CPU to a buddy, and now it has a 13700k, am able to push 320w with the VRM reading at a toasty but absolutely safe 90c after couple minutes of stress.
The z690 is such a good chipset. I have the m.2 all maxed out with 2x gen 3 and 1x gen 4, 1x wifi card, dac, and other peripherals. There are 9x fans and 1x pump running all off the motherboard's 6x fan headers (with splitters). I was also able to push my ram to 3800mhz cl14 ram running at 1.5v. Honestly great board for maxing out an overclock on most conventional cooling! (probably not great for custom loop overclocking unless you can actively cool the VRM)
Thoughts on the Gigabyte Z690M AORUS ELITE AX DDR4 as opposed to the Asus?
Feel like everything went ITX or ATX(eATX), mATX seems like that good balance of 4dimm slots, enough PCIe slots without the bigger mass of ATX
I saw a review of the TUF Z690 that showed the audio was atrocious. Hopefully the micro ATX form factor of this one means the audio section is a different design and not copy/pasted.
I really like the look of the z690 Prime-A just wish it had a post code
I know the pain of the mATX enthusiast. I was so hyped for generation 1 Ryzen but I refused to settle for a B-chipset motherboard. I was on a 3570K and really hurting, but I persevered for what felt like an eternity until way later when the X570M-Pro4 from ASRock came out. That extra x4 NVMe is just too important.
The B550 doesn't have the greatest I/O, but it's good enough for mATX. Most board vendors are just lazy about divvying up the lanes. The best one I've seen is the TUF B550M plus. It has the second x4 NVME (my P31 runs just as fast in the second slot).
I can’t move to mini ITX form factor just because of the 10G nic problem. The couple of mini ITX boards that come with intel x540 is just too expensive.
I ordered a DDR4 board myself to pair with a 12700k. I went with the Gigabyte Aero though.
please do share you experience ❤️
Thanks for this Wendel. just the thing i was looking for.
Ciao, sai che modello di scheda di rete monta? Sulle specifiche è scritto generico Intel Ethernet adapter 1G. Non ho trovato il modello specifico. Stavo valutando questa scheda madre micro atx per fare un firewall Pfsense da rack ma devo sapere il modello di scheda di rete.
Check out the INWIN 301c for a build with this. IIRC, it’s the smallest non-niche case by litres for mATX.
Edit: meant to note it has usb-c front panel!
@G-Misc 59 just built a machine for my mom in one of those inwin 301 case and am itching to build myself one, its smaller than my silverstone tj-08 and id rather use 120mm fans as those 180mm are a pain. im just not too keen on switching to win11 for the scheduler using 12600k or 12700k on that board. im not too sure about the vrm on the asus board as i like to tweak things a bit.
If you really want m.2 heatsinks and your drive doesn't come with them... the E.K. heatsinks are great.
But they're problematic if you have chips on both sides of the m.2 drive.
This vs. Gigabyte Z690M?
Z690 RAID video is not out? I can't find it.
On Patreon. Out soon
does usb c port support display and display chaining?
Looks cool but I regretted my last small build. Going bigger this time with a Fractal Torrent filled with ?? Depends on if I can find DDR5 soon.
just curious what about the GPU apocalypse?
Imho, ASUS made good decision with mixed cooler's mount holes (LGA1200+LGA1700).
Ive been really happy with my Z690M and 12600kf in my SFFPC, very high performance, better than a 5800x, cheaper, and uses less power and less heat. 12th gen is such a great deal
Upgrading to 12600k from an i7 4790k from 2014. Couldn’t be more excited
@@mbvbm3104 I'm doing the same thing 😂 I'm personally upgrading from i5 4670k
Do you have this exact board? If so how are vrm temps with the 12600k in slightly heavier workloads?
@@deadly_mir I have this exact board it's perfectly fine
@SSS Dias if your talking about the Asus Z690M-D4, that's not a video out port or thunderbolt for that matter... It's a normal usb c type port for file transfer and connecting external media devices... Unless I'm missing something. I believe there may be an internal header for thunderbolt though on the board somewhere
i wanna see the ASUS ROG Strix Z690-G Gaming WIFI review from u :D
I have this motherboard and 3xM.2 nvme ssds. In bios they all show up but in windows just the top one. In disk management/partition they don't show up...what shoul I do? Thanks.
Would anyone be able to help me, I have this board and I’m unable to change the BCLK, is this normal? I assume I’m meant to have bought a higher end version to be able to do so?
where are the boards with two DDR4 and DDR5 slots each?
Wendell, I need info! Does this board support SR-IOV?
I haven't tested it yet. (I'll talk to you tomorrow), but my bet would be on this VRM doing a great job with the i9. The Prime X570-P has no problem running a PBO 5950x. This has similarly beefy heat sinks and a similar VRM but with one extra phase.
Can I ask you about the results you got?
@@jstar2235 55 C on the hottest part of the board with my IR thermometer, during the final 5 minutes of a 30 minute run of Cinebench R23. Room temperature was 25C. The CPU was hovering around 165 watts during the run.
@@SimplyLewin Just to confirm, was that running the 12900k on the Prime Z690M-Plus D4? And any overclock?
@@jstar2235 that was an i7 at stock. I don't have an i9. It's air-cooled and that's really right about the limit of my air cooler. I'm going to retest it with an AIO and overclock it. I think my results are pretty good for a stock i7 and I don't think it would have any trouble with the stock i9.
@@SimplyLewin Alright, thanks a bunch for the info!
can you compare Prime Z690M to msi pro/tomohawk/mortar/whatever b660m
Great review, thank you!
mATX were super popular in 2010s; but, because GPUs got so freaking huge you need full ATX if you want any USABLE pcie slots. The nearest usable slot that won't choke your GPU like it's in a pr0n nasty is 4 slots down - so falling off mATX. Additionally, mATX often have issues with VRM heat build up as the traces on the power plane tend to be smaller, there just isn't the same thermal mass of copper traces compared to full ATX, when power peaks those thermal pulses are that much more noticeable in a small mobo. Plus, greater trace density tends to make smaller mobos worse overclockers, compared to equivalent ATX brethren, due to increased signal noise. To have the performance of a 6 layer PCB in ATX you need an 8 layer mATX - which means paying more for the same feature set. If you want a compact build, without going into ITX super compact, just get a well designed ATX case, some newer ATX cases are very space efficient; for example - Meshify C (c for compact) takes a full ATX board and is in a size that, during the 2010s mATX boom, would have been a compact mATX case. The current design trend is to shove m.2s under the GPU, then have usable PCIE slots 4 slots down and save on the headaches of working with a compact board. I think Wendell didn't quite have the right take on manufacturability. My 2c.
Ever since they added networking and sound to the motherboards, most folks don't need an extra PCIe slot. Most people don't need 10G networking or capture cards. And I suspect the trace density issue (which is more an mITX issue anyway) could largely be solved by having 2-DIMM mATX or DTX boards. It's not like anyone needs 20-stage VRMs with ambient cooling.
There are just very few mATX-specific cases, so without economies of scale there's no reason to buy mATX. Likewise, DTX probably fits in all non-riser-dependent mITX cases (cable cutouts notwithstanding) and should be cheaper, but good luck getting DTX to catch on.
Wendell speaks the truth, and I get angry.
I only want uATX boards for my builds. It bugs me that in 2021, people are still building full size ATX PCs like it's 1995.
Gotta have them PCIe slots!
mATX were super popular in 2010s; but, because GPUs got so freaking huge you need full ATX if you want any USABLE pcie slots. The nearest usable slot that won't choke your GPU like it's in a pr0n nasty is 4 slots down - so falling off the mATX. Additionally, because the traces are a lot thinner and more crowded on mATX they are (generally) worse overclockers than their equivalent ATX brethren and have issues with voltage regulation as the thinner power plane gets hotter. To have the performance of a 6 layer PCB in ATX you need an 8 layer mATX - which would mean paying more for the same feature set. At that time people would rather just get a well designed ATX case, some newer ATX cases are very space efficient; for example - Meshify C (c for compact) takes a full ATX board and is in a size that during the 2010s mATX boom would have been a compact mATX case. The current design standard is to shove m.2s under the GPU, then have usable PCIE slots 4 slots down and save on the headaches of working with a compact board. I think Wendell didn't quite have the right take on manufacturability. My 2c.
I agree w/ these comments.
I realize I'm posting on Level 1 Tech's channel, but outside of this crowd, how many users will overclock their PCs? For that matter, how many will used additional PCIe cards?
Clearly there are use cases for full size ATX boards (or eATX, for that matter). I have no problem whatsoever with enthusiasts using ATX and loading them up with peripherals and overclocking to their hearts content.
But for the other 99.99% of users, even gamers, a uATX case is functionally equivalent and will save some space.
In my opinion, it is usually the right choice... as long as the manufacturers don't skimp on quality. I wish uATX would be marketed as the standard, and ATX would be considered an option... not the other way around.
@@SciPunk215 anyone who streams needs a capture card, if you have a 6800+ or 3080+ card, good luck finding one narrows enough that will allow you to use the BOTTOM slot on mATX, without restricting the airflow to the GPU. That is IF the mobo has a working x4 on the bottom, if it's in a higher slot, you're totally stuffed. Want to add 10Gb networking or hardware raid? Good luck with that for same reasons. mATX is just bad, you don't save enough size over ATX to matter, but you give up all the expansion possibilities, in practical terms.
@@lucidnonsense942 Why would mATX have any worse power delivery than ATX? Above the PCIe slots, it's the same size. And why would anyone who streams need a capture card? I thought that was only used for input from consoles.
And most users are not and should not be buying $800+ video cards.
Thank you for the informative review.
I got this mobo and noticed the cpu does run a little hot due to its spacing.
I have the intel i7-12700F 2.1ghz
On idle it was running sometimes at 40c and 60c
My GPU is the rtx 4070 12gb
Psu is 750w
32gb of ram
Recommend any coolers that'll fit?
Great review! Think I can OC my 12400 on this baby?
Also, mATX will always be my favorite form factor.
hope you can review one of the x99 chinses motherboard
Does it have APE for locked chips?
Asus performance enhancement
Coolers seems to have changed. Im using a lga775 socket cooler , Scythe Mugen 2, a 12 years old cooler, and my OC 12600k keeps steady 85 under h264 coding
need a review of DeepCool AK620
Loving the anime girls wallpaper tabs, what were you looking at Wendell?
mATX FTW. Bult a 5900X/3070 gaming and dev rig on a a B550M Mortar and I don't miss anything. Alternatively, DTX.
Does it support BCLK overclocking for OC'ing non-k CPUs?
Can this have 4 fans plus cpu fan?
Does this motherboard have dual BIOS ?
We need more mATX cases. They look too small for ATX mid towers, so you might as well go full ATX. But I would definitely prefer something a little smaller, but still with 4 DIMM slots, a couple PCIe slots, etc.
i dont know what to say. but since the advent of asus p2b i only bought asus standard boards in the "prime" range. regardless of chipset tier.
Hey, just a "noob" question:
Is ASUS Prime series motherboard good for gaming and video production if I don't use it with CPU overclocking???
There's no such thing as a gaming motherboard. Motherboards are neutral, they contribute nothing. but Asus boards in my experience are very well made ive never had issues with mine.
You should look at the term chipsets ex; b-660 … not “prime series”. I recommend you b660 or even z690 for gaming its almost the same price range.
I have one. The NIC isn't an issue. All the heavy lifting for transport should be handled with your switches and cabling. 1 GB on the last hop to your PC is just fine. Not noticing any Audio quality issues. I can mix songs in a DAW and the bass thumps. At this point in technology, folks are really grasping at straws for minimal gains they don't actually need, but want. Like buying a golden butter knife instead of a regular one just because it is more expensive and shines. Doesn't have any gains in spreading butter on bread. Like the folks that got the 3000 series RTX GPUs, now they have the 4000 series just because they want to say they have the latest. I built an Asus X79 system coming up on a decade ago with an Ivy Bridge Hexacore. Sure, the Haswell was available, but the minimal gains didn't justify the costs. And it lasted me 10 years until Microsoft started sending "updates" to force my system to be obsolete. So I bought a new one with this board because I don't feel like building one. Liquid cooling (yes, installed correctly so it doesn't burn up), i-9 12th, with 13th gen capabilities 64GBs of DDR4 ram and an RTX GPU. This might be the last mATX, but it is a good transition board to plug in your old SATA drives to use for cheap, low priority storage as those are being phased out. The only upgrade I am doing now is storage. Going to get a 4TB M.2 and still have another slot available for the future. Sure, could just use the cloud, but having my personal information in someone else's infrastructure doesn't fly with me.
Hope to see a 100% optical board and a quantum CPU someday. Latency would be something we would joke about while remembering the past at that point.
Why is multi-gig not catching on anywhere?It needs to be the norm on enthusiast motherboards.
Got a Asus TPM 2.0 (14 pin SPU) module from AliExpress, can I plug it in it ? You told that it already had TPM, though
I had the same question about adding the TPM module. It seems the processor itself has the TPM functionality and others have been able to install Windows 11 without the TPM module. Of course, the TPM module allows saving digital certificates. I am trying to find out more myself.
@@George_us I have installed the TPM hardware which was detected by motherboard. I am using it with no problem. I read that it is safer just dont remember where.
Asrocks boards this time around are really expensive. Comparing them to the competition that is.
While i dig mATX builds.. ever since i seen corsair and amd do a custom loop inside a corsair 250d with a 290x I've been wanting to do a itx build with a custom loop ..looking forward to your itx coverage 👍 👏
What cpu cooler is compatible with this motherboard ?
Nevermind
Can't wait for motherboard manufacturers to allow to disable nvme drives from the BIOS. It would have saved me about 30 hours of extra work.
i put 3080 rog strix into that and sound card without extension going to FULLY BLOCK half of card.
With Thunderbolt add-in cards for this board, if you wanted to connect a display, would you:
A. Find an add-in card with DP in, and wire up your GPU
B. Not do the above, and use the iGP to power the display
C. Just can it and plug the display directly into the GPU
?
Thanks.
Why can't they just have a normal fin array for heat sinks anymore? I only seen the most expensive gigabyte boards with them now. The oldest, simplest, best tech on the high end boards...
is it just me or did you think this was the big guy from LTT when you clicked on the link....my memory is shady these days.
It's a good board, but the Asus primes have one huge problem - it takes a very long time to turn on. Msi can be turned on and off 2 times while the computer is booting from the ASUS, and the Asrock can turn on and off 3 times during this time. It's very, very unfortunate. I had to sell my prime z490m in 24 hours after buying and I will never go back to them
Not so long ago, 200 freedom dollars was considered high end....
Hell... you could get a decent Z590 for close to $150. Now $200 is considered entry level for a Z series.
Inflation+component shortage+ new launch. The cheaper B660 boards should launch in January if you are a tighter budget. Also 12th gen CPU's are significantly cheaper than the Zen 3 parts they beat, so the more expensive motherboards arent that expensive when your 12600kf is beating a 5800x and costs significantly less.
wow, no dislikes, amazing!
TH-cam is no longer showing dislikes on videos.
@@nian60 How come I can still see them then?
@@nian60 yes that's the point....
@@Safetytrousers it's being rolled out in some countries right now.
no reason for an intel board to not have a thunderbolt connection. especially on 12th generation
all the things they dont want to put on the board, you could use the thunderbolt dock for , but they didnt add it
2:18 Thunderbolt header is there
5:05. Thats just sad. Like getting a new car in 2022 with manual windows and no AC. Yikes. XD
Can you give a man a post code? :D
I wouldn't say they they are unpopular. They are just way over priced and people know it. Same with cases for them
I bought this exact motherboard and it was the cheapest z690 out there. The miniITX mb prices are complete bullsh!t tho
Nah. Are we at only 97 views?
There's this thing where not everybody who will watch a video watches it the moment it goes up, and how unless the channel deletes it, the video is there forever to be viewed, and that given a little bit of time the viewing figure changes.
OH HAI!
9:15 the cringe cam. Nice 👍
Huh?
I will not like or dislike videos that don't have a counter.
Lol the chipset is almost as much as some of their super low end cpus
I had inappropriate physical contact once, they called the cops, it was a mess.
First! Wooo!
@@brianmccullough4578 How is your comment 3 days ago when the video only went up today?
On Patreon they go up early........ you should join!
@@brianmccullough4578 That's cheating.
@@Safetytrousers yes....yes it is
My dislike is a protest, do not be sad on the backend, my parasocial nonfriends.
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MATX bad.