You know that kim was ready to die , he wasnt one of the best boxers , he wasnt a clinical boxer but that man was a machine he lift himself up to contender level through hard work alone Pure , pure hard work
Duk-Koo Kim's childhood was a poor and hard knock life. His father died when he was 1 years old (2 years old in Korean age), his mom went through three different marriages and Duk-Koo himself ran away from home at age 17 being tired of constant fights with his half siblings. He moved to Seoul and worked as a shoe shine boy, tour guide, doing manual labors...just about anything to survive. He must have learned the importance of education because he finished high school while working at those jobs. Boxing was the passion he found.
Ray made a GREAT point about how this fight would be seen on ESPN Classic for years and years and years, if not for the fatality to Duk Koo Kim. With all due respect to the tragic loss of life, this really was a *GREAT* fight. :(
It was an incredible fight. Kim was only 23 years old. I don't doubt that he could have remained a contender and had a great career if not for his death.
I remember, pretty clearly, how much trouble Ray had after the fight. I can't remember if a lot of people blamed him for Kim's death, but for a while, boy... Mancini sure blamed himself.
Ray has always been a gentleman with a huge heart , which is not always the case with boxers, however great they are. I feel for him, because you can see that the last thing he wanted was for someone he was fighting to die , in the ring.
Agreed. It was as if you split 1 soul into 2. Then place them in 2 different bodies. Then have them fight each other. They fought with the same desperation, heart, will and iron chin. The only difference was Ray had gone 15 rounds, before this, and was better "stretched out" stamina-wise. After Duk Koo died, Ray was never the same fighter. It was like part of him died, too.
Ray carried a tremendous amount of guilt for years even though boxers all know the risks involved in the sport. How do you tell someone it's not your fault when no matter what, the fighter will blame himself? Ray was never to blame. Boxing is a dangerous sport, period.
Good to see Ray, realize the chain of events after the fight we’re not solely responsible because of him. Mad respect for my fellow Italian American brother!
We are the same age, and I remember his storied career very well. What an exceptional athlete, role model and human being. Few great sports figures deserve the respect and admiration that is due to Ray Mancini. Thanks, Ray, for all the memories and good things you have done, and for everything for which you have stood.
I'm so honored to call this man my cousin (my great-grandma is a Mancini). I've yet to meet him though through personal family reasons. My mother spoke so highly of him before her passing.
Watched this fight live with my Dad and brother. Saturday CBS boxing I was 13. We couldn't believe how Kim moved forward in the face of Boom Boom's obvious polish and talent. Nobody knew Kim was gravely Ill after he was knocked out. I heard about his death a week later. So sad.
I watched this fight on the Eastside of Cleveland when I was 13 ray was our hero. much respect to the Kim family greatest fight I've ever seen big love to Ray God bless
I remember the fight against Kim. Its a shame it will be synonymous with Ray Mancini. For all of you to young to remember Ray, this guy has always been a class act. Always always always.
With all due respect, and I am not blaming Ray for Kim’s mothers suicide, but it’s wrong of him to say Kim’s mom took her own life because of family fight over insurance and money. No, she took her own life because of the broken heart from losing her son. No mother cares enough about money to take her own life, but losing a child can destroy mom beyond anyone can comprehend. So no, she didn’t die for money. She died from broken heart.
I agree, I know a neighbor who lost a child in a car accident. The mother was never the same after that. She suffered from depression and never went out socially and stayed at home most of the time. She died 10 years later at the age of 45 of a heart attack. Terrible thing to bury a child.
Honestly, that's too much energy trying to decide why someone committed suicide.... Whatever the reason, it's sad and very unfortunate.... It could've been a combination of life issues.... Her son would obviously be the main reason, people would conclude, but hey it's a life, and that's just very sad....
Leighann McGowan to be honest you can’t blame I know how sad it is but at the end of the day he was doing he’s job. ( I know how horrible and evil it sounds and I’m sorry, but it kinda is what he had to do)
Ray- The body is the army and the mind is the general--- wow I watched that fight back then and never forgot the Duk Koo Kim fight w/ Boom Boom but holy shit didn't know the warrior DukKoo died from that fight-damn- he was a badass same with Boom boom, South Korea should be proud..
He used excessive force in the punches which was unessasary he is a murders in ko ppl with minimal contact to chin so shows its the onslaught that killed him
@@natashavaughan8688 u must crazy man. its boxing signed and fight nobody should blame either fighter knows the risk before the fight. boxing is a brutal combat sport so if a fighter doesn’t want at high risk so quit 🤧before the bell rung🙅♂️
@@audiogeneral I agree with that. I watched it too. I remember my dad saying,son if they don’t stop that young is gonna die. Kim Duc -Koo had the heart of a loin!
It wasn't anyone's fault. Tragically, referee Richard Green blamed himself and committed suicide eight months later. Being a boxing referee is the toughest officiating job in all of sports. If a baseball umpire blows a call, it's maybe a runner getting on base who should have been called out. In boxing, two mens' lives are on the line. No referee wants to stop a fight too soon or too late. Many times it's a judgment call and there's really no right or wrong answer. Kim was in trouble for the first 30 seconds of the 13th round (the fight was stopped in the 14th). Kim jumped off of his stool and just started unloading. But Kim's legs were under him; he wasn't throwing back, but he was moving his head and tying up. And after Mancini was done with his barrage, Kim started unloading on Ray.
@@TheSBleeder ...There was nothing Richard Green could have done to stop what happened. Although it may have been a contributing factor, there were "other things" going on in his life, mixed with depression, that led to suicide.
When Ray said Kim's family was squabbling over the insurance money after he died, and that added to what caused Kim's mother to kill herself...I cried. What a horrible weight she must have been under.
I like ray and he always says kid! This kid was great the kid was the best ! Lol god bless you Ray and knowing what kims death meant! And kept it in your heart
As a fighter, you understand the risks you assume when you get in the ring. It's possible to be hurt and even die in the ring. That's on you. When you're one of these guys who would rather die in a fight than take a step back or tap out, you own that. There is near universal agreement about this in the fight world. Every fighter accepts this. People try to end things there and that's why they never have a sense of closure. That's because the discussion is incomplete. Unbalanced. What's missing in the discussion, and what people don't often talk about is the flip side of that coin. You could be the other guy. You could be the guy who beats his opponent to death. Well, if that happens, that's on you, too. I'm not saying that if you kill someone in a bout, you should be held accountable, that you should be blamed, that you are liable. But it cannot be denied that you killed a man. You are not liable it, but you are responsible for it. And this is the problem I see here with Ray. Ray never took responsibility for Kim Duk-Koo's death. He felt guilty and blamed himself, he says, but the language that he uses implies that he felt that he wasn't at fault and wasn't obligated to carry the burden. He morally distances himself from the knowledge of seeing Kim being carried out unconscious. He diminishes the role of the fight in the referee's suicide. Kim's mother didn't commit suicide because she was distraught over her son's death, it was because of her distress over the insurance money. Ray needs to believe in his faultlessness in his role in the entire affair. This speaks to him still carrying guilt. This is fairly evident in his language and his manner. He is still looking for and has been looking for absolution for forty years. The sad, simple thing is that he could have come to terms with this and found absolution a long time ago by taking responsibility for Kim's death by really owning up to it. He knows what really bothers him about Kim dying - his son - and what Ray could and should have done had he been a better man. Unfortunately, the time for that has probably passed, and with it, the opportunity for Ray to find true absolution.
I would like to see the documentary while I was watching the fight I didn't even know there was a documentary I thought someone should either make a documentary of this or make a movie
I remember watching this fight on television. It was a great fight, both giving their all. No one was to blame for what happened. It’s an assumed risk and nothing that was done by anyone involved had anything to do with Mr. Kim’s death. A tragedy, yes, but no one is to blame. Mr. Mancini is certainly blameless in my estimation.....if boxing is allowed to continue, as it should, something like this will eventually happen again, unfortunately.
Nobody in their right mind could blame Ray for any of those 3 deaths. He was doing his job and some bad things ended up happening. They were certainly not Ray's fault.
Agreed. 1. A note was discovered, written on a lamp shade, in Duk Koo Kim's hotel room. It said "live or die." 2. Kim trained with a COFFIN nearby. He said it was going to be either Mancini, or himself, in it. These guys know what they're signing up for. They're not playing checkers. They're not sitting around a campfire, holding hands and singing Kumbaya. They're trying to harm each other; hopefully, to the point of incapacitation.
Everyone says the same, "no one to blame"--not the Ref, not the fighters. Sometimes it is so clear a fight should have been stopped, but I saw this one---just no way to see he had had enough before the final blow. Actually--if you put aside emotion--if you can--Kim showed the power of the mind, to go "past 100 percent". I think of the famous Greek at Marathon--ran the great distance--further than he could run, did his job and collapsed and died. Who is to blame? I say no one. He gave it ALL, then a bit more than all.
Musial Namath Kelly Marino Montana Ditka andMancini too many athletes came outta western Pa (technically its ohio) but its more Pittsburgh than Cleveland
Wasn't because of it being more than 12 rounds. It was more when he went down he hit his head hard. More than all the punches. He slammed his hard he was knocked out.
It IS a great fight of all time, and they should show it, maybe not cover the final seconds, but as a fight, two great warriors, neither one taking one step backwards. What else can we ask of boxers/fighters. And referee? Those guys can't win, if they don't step in, in time, they get blamed, and if they step in "too soon", they get blamed. But like Mancini, said, no blame for this ref, not really.
I saw the fight live on TV. Nobody did anything wrong, either fighter or the referee. It was a really great fight, but it ended tragically. It happens sometimes in this beautiful, brutal sport.
I don't in any way want to trivialise the death of another human being but what happened was an accident, now boxing being a combat sport may be more prone to this type of accident, than most other sports (actually motor racing statistically has more fatalities).
Listening to him, it seems like he's an upright guy. If you watch the post fight interview, before anyone knew anything was wrong, he's obviously an honorable and gracious fighter. But if you ever hit someone and they die, every single punch you ever throw after that is going to be different. I'm sorry but it just is. The worst tragedy was the mother though. I've seen a mother cry over losing a son and it's absolutely horrific.
He would have been allmost like Ray Leonard if Kim wouldnt have died that day. Sugar Ray "retired" and there was a hole for entertaining lightweight champ. He was in negotiations with pepsi and couple other that caliber companies.... they were going to make him a star that everyone would notice and know, not just boxing fans. Maybe even a movie of his story, maybe even him playing the role. I know Sly was good friends with Ray so thats not impossibility... But i remember him gettin hit... ALOT. That was his style. He would have beaten Livingston Bramble, or whatever the name was, if Kim hadnt died. Livingston used that and Ray let that affect him. So he would have propably had first reign from 82-85/86. And he would have won wbc or ibf belt too in that time. And then who knows how many reigns more... But he would definetely be suffering dementia pugilistia now, if he would have had twice or three times the peak years that he had. Because of his in fighting style.
I met boom boom On central avenue in NY westchester near aPlace called Fud ruckers hamburger place. I called his name and he walked towards me and shook my hand when My brother noticed him but I called out to him. I wonder if he remembers. I'm around the same sizes. Him maybe just slightly taller. I Mention That in case he reads this..
I never heard of this fight until today I watch the fight definitely crazy fight but I wouldn't picture anyone dying then I heard Kim's mother killed himself and the referee also killed himself I'm not sure if it was because of this fight I'm going to look that up later
Well, God, the only one and true Jesus Christ allowed Kim to go out his way. My pastor Apostle Gino Jennings was preaching about that (speaking things into existence and The Bible telling people to have few words) today from Germany.
You notice with lighter weight fighters, even the ones who used to brawl, usually are still quite lucid and healthy in their 50's onwards. Barry McGuigan is the same, clear as a bell.
Leighann McGowan I don’t think what you said is a fair statement! Mancini was never the same fighter or person after Kim died...many people commented on that!! You are not in his shoes, so you shouldn’t judge!!
@@leighannmcgowan5239 Cold hearted? Excuses?.....You´re out of your mind. 1:11 Take a close look at his face, his bodylanguage and his stuttering when he speaks about Kims mindset of fighting and the story he told about the coffin..... coldhearted and excuses, never heard anything dumber than this.
The way Mancini punches should be outlawed. He punched Kim on the side of the head repeatedly instead of straight punching. That and the fact that it was a mismatch fight is why Mancini is responsible for Kim's death. The death fight was similar the mismatch fight between Max Baer and Frankie Campbell that ended in Campbell's death. Referee Richard Green knew better and should have stopped the mismatch save his fear of being reprimanded for an early stop. Green committed suicide years later haunted by his guilt. Kim's mother, traumatized over her son's death committed suicide by drinking pesticide. Mancini, driven by an illustrious desire to be world champion did whatever it took to make daddy proud. Ray's father never got a chance to be champion because WWII broke out. Ray was supposed to be what he couldn't be. A tragic story totally that led to 3 deaths and a wasted life for a former boxer haunted by guilt that originates from a pathetic, immature father who could never get over not having a chance to win a silly boxing title.
Dued because you continued to hit him boxing should be done on points and not for a ko should be see who hits faster and don't get hit landing hits with.minimum power still being judge on impact your a killer my guy you caused the death of too ppl should be ashamed
Such a class act. So much respect for ray.
Don Draper
Agree 💯
@@gorgeousg8704 from my area kinda super east Ohio more western Pa
Ray is tough
You know that kim was ready to die , he wasnt one of the best boxers , he wasnt a clinical boxer but that man was a machine he lift himself up to contender level through hard work alone
Pure , pure hard work
william nebe How he made it back to his feet is a huge feat of strength in itself. He was basically gone then.
Duk-Koo Kim's childhood was a poor and hard knock life. His father died when he was 1 years old (2 years old in Korean age), his mom went through three different marriages and Duk-Koo himself ran away from home at age 17 being tired of constant fights with his half siblings. He moved to Seoul and worked as a shoe shine boy, tour guide, doing manual labors...just about anything to survive. He must have learned the importance of education because he finished high school while working at those jobs. Boxing was the passion he found.
He seems like the inspiration for a few anime characters .
Ray made a GREAT point about how this fight would be seen on ESPN Classic for years and years and years, if not for the fatality to Duk Koo Kim. With all due respect to the tragic loss of life, this really was a *GREAT* fight. :(
storyofcory without a doubt it's sad because of the circumstances, but people forget how great that fight was
It was an incredible fight.
Kim was only 23 years old. I don't doubt that he could have remained a contender and had a great career if not for his death.
I remember, pretty clearly, how much trouble Ray had after the fight. I can't remember if a lot of people blamed him for Kim's death, but for a while, boy... Mancini sure blamed himself.
Very true. I watched the fight after reading about the incident and was struck by just how entertaining it was from a competitive point of view
If they went to decision after 12 rounds, Kim probably would have won
Ray has always been a gentleman with a huge heart , which is not always the case with boxers, however great they are. I feel for him, because you can see that the last thing he wanted was for someone he was fighting to die , in the ring.
Ray once said that he was scared of fighting someone just like him....in this fight his fear was realized...
Agreed. It was as if you split 1 soul into 2. Then place them in 2 different bodies. Then have them fight each other. They fought with the same desperation, heart, will and iron chin. The only difference was Ray had gone 15 rounds, before this, and was better "stretched out" stamina-wise. After Duk Koo died, Ray was never the same fighter. It was like part of him died, too.
My great cuz died because of the fight RIP Richard Green “the Referee”
i was here cos im searching for him cos of the fight. that was sad.
Honestly it wasn’t even his fault. Rip to the referee man!
I heard he committed suicide
Months later after the fight
How do you know that the cause was directly because of the fight?
Maybe it wasn't
@@rambotambo9907 his my blood the mob killed him I did a report on him with our family facts
@@RomanThePoet what mob? I thought he had killed himself
Ray carried a tremendous amount of guilt for years even though boxers all know the risks involved in the sport. How do you tell someone it's not your fault when no matter what, the fighter will blame himself? Ray was never to blame. Boxing is a dangerous sport, period.
Well said sir.
I feel and understand his pain, noone predicted that coming and both were very commited.
Extremely Dangerous:
Jesus Chavez felt the same way after the Leavander Johnson fight. He was extremely depressed and never was the same again after...
Rough stuff.
It’s a hurt business
I actually have had the privilege of meeting Ray at my job hes a stellar guy
Ray is such a class act. Just a standup guy
I just want to share my respect for Ray Mancini for the way he has carried himself in interviews that must have been very difficult.
Good to see Ray, realize the chain of events after the fight we’re not solely responsible because of him. Mad respect for my fellow Italian American brother!
We are the same age, and I remember his storied career very well. What an exceptional athlete, role model and human being. Few great sports figures deserve the respect and admiration that is due to Ray Mancini. Thanks, Ray, for all the memories and good things you have done, and for everything for which you have stood.
I'm so honored to call this man my cousin (my great-grandma is a Mancini). I've yet to meet him though through personal family reasons. My mother spoke so highly of him before her passing.
THE GOOD SON doc is class this man is class and Kim was a true WARRIOR
Watched this fight live with my Dad and brother. Saturday CBS boxing I was 13. We couldn't believe how Kim moved forward in the face of Boom Boom's obvious polish and talent. Nobody knew Kim was gravely Ill after he was knocked out. I heard about his death a week later. So sad.
Boom has always been humble and his parents raised him well!
It is a classic.fight outside the outcome your a very humble person Mr Mancini, I respect you a whole lot great man.
I watched this fight on the Eastside of Cleveland when I was 13 ray was our hero. much respect to the Kim family greatest fight I've ever seen big love to Ray God bless
Ray was a true warrior in the ring and well deserved to be in the boxing hall of fame
What I liked about Ray is he respected Duk Koo Kim before the fight. Pundits, I think, didn’t think much of Kim. This was sad all around.
I remember the fight against Kim. Its a shame it will be synonymous with Ray Mancini. For all of you to young to remember Ray, this guy has always been a class act. Always always always.
All love brother... it was just a fight. Not your fault brother. I'll keep you in my prayers 🙏
You see and feel the pain in his words and his face.
Yea u can tell he would have look to boast about his fight but unfortunately he can't
Man there should be a movie about this!
With all due respect, and I am not blaming Ray for Kim’s mothers suicide, but it’s wrong of him to say Kim’s mom took her own life because of family fight over insurance and money. No, she took her own life because of the broken heart from losing her son. No mother cares enough about money to take her own life, but losing a child can destroy mom beyond anyone can comprehend. So no, she didn’t die for money. She died from broken heart.
I agree, I know a neighbor who lost a child in a car accident. The mother was never the same after that. She suffered from depression and never went out socially and stayed at home most of the time. She died 10 years later at the age of 45 of a heart attack. Terrible thing to bury a child.
Honestly, that's too much energy trying to decide why someone committed suicide.... Whatever the reason, it's sad and very unfortunate.... It could've been a combination of life issues.... Her son would obviously be the main reason, people would conclude, but hey it's a life, and that's just very sad....
I totally agree ...hes making excuse so he dosent look like the bad guy ...
Sunil Thomas Poor lady!! stressed
out for 10 years would surely make your heart give out!!!
Leighann McGowan to be honest you can’t blame I know how sad it is but at the end of the day he was doing he’s job. ( I know how horrible and evil it sounds and I’m sorry, but it kinda is what he had to do)
Remember seeing this as a kid, brutal fight, I even wrote a book report about it
Ray Mancini represents Youngstown Ohio tremendously
That death was inevitable, anyone who has seen that fight knows it could of been either one of them.
Ray- The body is the army and the mind is the general---
wow I watched that fight back then and never forgot the Duk Koo Kim fight w/ Boom Boom but holy shit didn't know the warrior DukKoo died from that fight-damn- he was a badass same with Boom boom, South Korea should be proud..
This guy is blameless. He deserves a happy long life :)
He used excessive force in the punches which was unessasary he is a murders in ko ppl with minimal contact to chin so shows its the onslaught that killed him
@@natashavaughan8688 There's no such thing as excessive force in combat sports as long as nothing illegal is done like shot to the back of the head.
@@natashavaughan8688 huh?...
@@natashavaughan8688 Wtf do u mean, the goal is to knock the person out , the other opponent is trying to do the same, how is punching hard evil?
@@natashavaughan8688 u must crazy man. its boxing signed and fight nobody should blame either fighter knows the risk before the fight. boxing is a brutal combat sport so if a fighter doesn’t want at high risk so quit 🤧before the bell rung🙅♂️
Ray Mancini is a LEGEND !
Ray looks so much better at a later age than he did when he was 21!!!
Most men do, that's why they get so much tail at that age.
Ray was never the same after that fight. If that fight had gone the distance it would’ve been ranked as one of the greatest fights of all time!
Bramble called him a murderer.
It still is one of the greatest fights of all time. I watched it live on TV, tremendous fight.
@@audiogeneral I agree with that. I watched it too. I remember my dad saying,son if they don’t stop that young is gonna die. Kim Duc -Koo had the heart of a loin!
This was not the first time a man died in the ring. From time to time it happens. They all know it when they step into the ring. It is not Ray's falt!
It wasn't anyone's fault. Tragically, referee Richard Green blamed himself and committed suicide eight months later.
Being a boxing referee is the toughest officiating job in all of sports.
If a baseball umpire blows a call, it's maybe a runner getting on base who should have been called out.
In boxing, two mens' lives are on the line.
No referee wants to stop a fight too soon or too late.
Many times it's a judgment call and there's really no right or wrong answer.
Kim was in trouble for the first 30 seconds of the 13th round (the fight was stopped in the 14th). Kim jumped off of his stool and just started unloading. But Kim's legs were under him; he wasn't throwing back, but he was moving his head and tying up. And after Mancini was done with his barrage, Kim started unloading on Ray.
@@TheSBleeder ...There was nothing Richard Green could have done to stop what happened. Although it may have been a contributing factor, there were "other things" going on in his life, mixed with depression, that led to suicide.
When Ray said Kim's family was squabbling over the insurance money after he died, and that added to what caused Kim's mother to kill herself...I cried. What a horrible weight she must have been under.
It was ashame anyone ever dies from a fight. Duk Koo Kim fought his ❤️ heart out and lost in a fair fight vs Ray Boom Boom Mancini.
Got to meet him he was really nice and helpful
Despite all this I will always encourage a hard young boy to fight. It is beautiful and life enhancing.
kinda reminds me of a 60 year old Golovkin
He'd mop golovkin in his day the older generations had more heart
@@hugh2hoob668 Hes wayyyyyyyy too small for GGG
@@hugh2hoob668 nahh
@@hugh2hoob668 Ducking casual.
@@hugh2hoob668 Heart doesn't make up for modern strength & conditioning, and technique.
I like ray and he always says kid! This kid was great the kid was the best ! Lol god bless you Ray and knowing what kims death meant! And kept it in your heart
Best fight ever!!! Thanks Ray!!!
That fight put an end to 15 rounders.
Ray Mancini is a nice guy
My first cousin is Kenneth Vice. Look up his story. It's very similar.
Kim wrote "Kill or Be Killed" on a piece of wood before this fight
As a fighter, you understand the risks you assume when you get in the ring. It's possible to be hurt and even die in the ring. That's on you. When you're one of these guys who would rather die in a fight than take a step back or tap out, you own that. There is near universal agreement about this in the fight world. Every fighter accepts this. People try to end things there and that's why they never have a sense of closure. That's because the discussion is incomplete. Unbalanced.
What's missing in the discussion, and what people don't often talk about is the flip side of that coin. You could be the other guy. You could be the guy who beats his opponent to death. Well, if that happens, that's on you, too.
I'm not saying that if you kill someone in a bout, you should be held accountable, that you should be blamed, that you are liable. But it cannot be denied that you killed a man. You are not liable it, but you are responsible for it.
And this is the problem I see here with Ray. Ray never took responsibility for Kim Duk-Koo's death. He felt guilty and blamed himself, he says, but the language that he uses implies that he felt that he wasn't at fault and wasn't obligated to carry the burden. He morally distances himself from the knowledge of seeing Kim being carried out unconscious. He diminishes the role of the fight in the referee's suicide. Kim's mother didn't commit suicide because she was distraught over her son's death, it was because of her distress over the insurance money. Ray needs to believe in his faultlessness in his role in the entire affair. This speaks to him still carrying guilt. This is fairly evident in his language and his manner. He is still looking for and has been looking for absolution for forty years.
The sad, simple thing is that he could have come to terms with this and found absolution a long time ago by taking responsibility for Kim's death by really owning up to it. He knows what really bothers him about Kim dying - his son - and what Ray could and should have done had he been a better man. Unfortunately, the time for that has probably passed, and with it, the opportunity for Ray to find true absolution.
Man, that's some deep shit. I might need a hit of weed, in order to better wrap my feeble mind around it.
I would like to see the documentary while I was watching the fight I didn't even know there was a documentary I thought someone should either make a documentary of this or make a movie
I remember watching this fight on television. It was a great fight, both giving their all. No one was to blame for what happened. It’s an assumed risk and nothing that was done by anyone involved had anything to do with Mr. Kim’s death. A tragedy, yes, but no one is to blame. Mr. Mancini is certainly blameless in my estimation.....if boxing is allowed to continue, as it should, something like this will eventually happen again, unfortunately.
Totally agree. At least we stopped feeding people to hungry Lions centuries ago. Progress is slow, but we're getting better.
Nobody in their right mind could blame Ray for any of those 3 deaths. He was doing his job and some bad things ended up happening. They were certainly not Ray's fault.
Agreed.
1. A note was discovered, written on a lamp shade, in Duk Koo Kim's hotel room. It said "live or die."
2. Kim trained with a COFFIN nearby. He said it was going to be either Mancini, or himself, in it.
These guys know what they're signing up for. They're not playing checkers. They're not sitting around a campfire, holding hands and singing Kumbaya. They're trying to harm each other; hopefully, to the point of incapacitation.
Bramble called him a murderer.
class act
Everyone says the same, "no one to blame"--not the Ref, not the fighters. Sometimes it is so clear a fight should have been stopped, but I saw this one---just no way to see he had had enough before the final blow. Actually--if you put aside emotion--if you can--Kim showed the power of the mind, to go "past 100 percent". I think of the famous Greek at Marathon--ran the great distance--further than he could run, did his job and collapsed and died. Who is to blame? I say no one. He gave it ALL, then a bit more than all.
Ray looks very fit still
That fight cost alot of people man!! It's ashame because it's one of the best wars you will ever see!!
i watched it on tv, I was late for work because i had to watch it to the end. What a fight that was, next day was very tragic.
Musial Namath Kelly Marino Montana Ditka andMancini
too many athletes came outta western Pa (technically its ohio) but its more Pittsburgh than Cleveland
Wasn't because of it being more than 12 rounds. It was more when he went down he hit his head hard. More than all the punches. He slammed his hard he was knocked out.
Boom boom!!!
It IS a great fight of all time, and they should show it, maybe not cover the final seconds, but as a fight, two great warriors, neither one taking one step backwards. What else can we ask of boxers/fighters. And referee? Those guys can't win, if they don't step in, in time, they get blamed, and if they step in "too soon", they get blamed. But like Mancini, said, no blame for this ref, not really.
good guy
I saw the fight live on TV. Nobody did anything wrong, either fighter or the referee. It was a really great fight, but it ended tragically. It happens sometimes in this beautiful, brutal sport.
I don't in any way want to trivialise the death of another human being but what happened was an accident, now boxing being a combat sport may be more prone to this type of accident, than most other sports (actually motor racing statistically has more fatalities).
He put out to the universe with the coffin and manifested one of them would die. People forget how dangerous fighting is especially to the brain etc.
Muhammad Ali did not kill Foreman when in the way down he hold the last punch to a defenseless man...Foreman appreciate that
Keep it real.
Listening to him, it seems like he's an upright guy. If you watch the post fight interview, before anyone knew anything was wrong, he's obviously an honorable and gracious fighter. But if you ever hit someone and they die, every single punch you ever throw after that is going to be different. I'm sorry but it just is. The worst tragedy was the mother though. I've seen a mother cry over losing a son and it's absolutely horrific.
That's the chance? Something can, and always will.
I know this is off-topic but those clock hands are moving too fast
D.C Dope Haha!! No they're not lol....
Lmfaooo what
DCDope was institutionalized from an lsd overdose shortly after his comment
Both fighters were warriors.
Man it must suck to have all these people want to talk about this one thing your whole life since the day it happened.
Ray is real
He’s married into my family haven’t met him yet,but I hear he’s a solid guy.
Shut yo fkin mouth
Warren Zevon brought me here.
He would have been allmost like Ray Leonard if Kim wouldnt have died that day. Sugar Ray "retired" and there was a hole for entertaining lightweight champ. He was in negotiations with pepsi and couple other that caliber companies.... they were going to make him a star that everyone would notice and know, not just boxing fans. Maybe even a movie of his story, maybe even him playing the role. I know Sly was good friends with Ray so thats not impossibility...
But i remember him gettin hit... ALOT. That was his style. He would have beaten Livingston Bramble, or whatever the name was, if Kim hadnt died. Livingston used that and Ray let that affect him. So he would have propably had first reign from 82-85/86. And he would have won wbc or ibf belt too in that time. And then who knows how many reigns more... But he would definetely be suffering dementia pugilistia now, if he would have had twice or three times the peak years that he had. Because of his in fighting style.
And we have Wilder wanting to kill someone in the ring. Enough said.
How's he doing ?🎉
I met boom boom On central avenue in NY westchester near aPlace called Fud ruckers hamburger place. I called his name and he walked towards me and shook my hand when My brother noticed him but I called out to him. I wonder if he remembers.
I'm around the same sizes. Him maybe just slightly taller. I Mention That in case he reads this..
Remember goofball Deontay Wilder saying that he WANTED to "catch a body" in the ring....?
It’s sad Ray has to carry the burden that he is blamed for 3 deaths due to the fights outcome.
True.
that would take the 'fight' out of anyone.
I never heard of this fight until today I watch the fight definitely crazy fight but I wouldn't picture anyone dying then I heard Kim's mother killed himself and the referee also killed himself I'm not sure if it was because of this fight I'm going to look that up later
Well now I know I didn't even have to look it up just had to watch this video
Boom boom dad
Well, God, the only one and true Jesus Christ allowed Kim to go out his way. My pastor Apostle Gino Jennings was preaching about that (speaking things into existence and The Bible telling people to have few words) today from Germany.
Ohio finest.
Did he bleach his skin? He was darker back in the day
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Violins not violence. Why can't the others be like the Stradivarius, Guarnari's and Amati's ? ...
Dang man so tragic
I doubt it.
I always liked ray m. Very unfortunate what happened.
That shirt looks the Mexican eagle 🦅 eating the snake 🐍 🤦♂️
Ray has so much class compared to Pazienza.
Triple homicide
He looks chirpy.
You notice with lighter weight fighters, even the ones who used to brawl, usually are still quite lucid and healthy in their 50's onwards. Barry McGuigan is the same, clear as a bell.
Seems cold hearted and making excuses for the two suicides ...ugh
Leighann McGowan I don’t think what you said is a fair statement!
Mancini was never the same fighter or person after Kim died...many people commented on that!! You
are not in his shoes, so you shouldn’t judge!!
@@sticktrik ok.calm.down ✌
@@leighannmcgowan5239 Cold hearted? Excuses?.....You´re out of your mind. 1:11 Take a close look at his face, his bodylanguage and his stuttering when he speaks about Kims mindset of fighting and the story he told about the coffin..... coldhearted and excuses, never heard anything dumber than this.
Leighann McGowan 😢awwwhh
did i hurt your feelings?!!
@@sticktrik you dont have the power to hurr my feelings....bye I have better things to do ...ciao
The way Mancini punches should be outlawed. He punched Kim on the side of the head repeatedly instead of straight punching. That and the fact that it was a mismatch fight is why Mancini is responsible for Kim's death. The death fight was similar the mismatch fight between Max Baer and Frankie Campbell that ended in Campbell's death. Referee Richard Green knew better and should have stopped the mismatch save his fear of being reprimanded for an early stop. Green committed suicide years later haunted by his guilt. Kim's mother, traumatized over her son's death committed suicide by drinking pesticide. Mancini, driven by an illustrious desire to be world champion did whatever it took to make daddy proud. Ray's father never got a chance to be champion because WWII broke out. Ray was supposed to be what he couldn't be. A tragic story totally that led to 3 deaths and a wasted life for a former boxer haunted by guilt that originates from a pathetic, immature father who could never get over not having a chance to win a silly boxing title.
Your comment is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read.
Your comment is so ignorant that you should be censored. Never attempt to comment on pugilistic sports again. Ever.
@@martysykes3221I agree
Dued because you continued to hit him boxing should be done on points and not for a ko should be see who hits faster and don't get hit landing hits with.minimum power still being judge on impact your a killer my guy you caused the death of too ppl should be ashamed
Imho, Boom Boom was never the same after that fight.
Any incident could be happened in boxing match cuz it is a dangerous game.
Why would this interviewer bring this up? There was so many great things about Ray’s career why bring up something negative? Interviewer has no class.
Ray doesn't seem to have a prob with it.