Wanna hear something funny? I made my first character in Pathfinder a Geb native on accident. I didn't know anything about any location in Golarion and just randomly picked out a name. Made creating a backstory a hell of an experience!
Haha! That's really great. These days there are living people in Geb once again as you see from the video. Its sort of necessary for them to have any kind of commerce with the outside world.
I absolutely love this. Thanks so much! My only exposure to the Pathfinder world has come about through Wrath of the Righteous - there are so many countries that just get little mentions here and there, and I love being able to learn more about them through this. Cheliax is next on my watch-list!
Idk if Paizo did it first, but i think Geb is the model for relatively rare idea of "undead society" in RPG settings. Pillars of eternity 2 had a funny side area where the entire population of the island are ghouls and zombies who are brainwashed to think that they are normal people, then in recent 5e settings there was Midgard where "darakhul empire" is basically this world's Underdark, only its denizens are all undead, but all these examples came out after published book about Geb.
In Starfinder they have a whole planet of undead as well. That also appears to be the concept of the empire in the "Gideon the Ninth" series by Tamsyn Muir.
@@goransekulic3671 from what I learned about undead in Warhammer, they are basically mindless and just serve as a tool to whatever necromancer bound them, while in Geb undead form stratified society with even the lowest members of that society being undead by their own accord, not because they were raised by some other person and will turn to dust the moment that person turns his attention away.
@@quint3ssent1a Tomb Kings are actually the basis for nuNecron and as such, yes, they have their mindless Undead, but most of them are actually trapped in a bone prison as it were. Some chose to awake and some got awoken, but all of them are trapped in a world that moved far beyond their time. nuNecron are a SF version of that. Undead society. Now, I don't know the details such as who awoke Settra or Khatep or some such. But yeah. It is different than Geb. And I would actually prefer Nehekhara. Given that their rulers aren't actively malicious(just very, very full of themselves and cranky) like Geb's rulers often are.
@@quint3ssent1a With that said, Warhammer(either) is distinctly very aristocratic(gee, like Englishmen made it?). Meaning that everything below a Necrotect or a Liche Priest isn't really important. This applies to EVERY FACTION btw. I don't always welcome this with open arms tbh. Could be because I don't like Lords+ depicted, but ... So, it is very nice to see Geb etc fleshed out. Something a bit different. Something less top down heavy.
I need to say, these videos are so helpful. I hate reading through information for settings and this gives it to me in a fun and relatively speedy manner.
That would be pretty epic, and honestly a pretty great deal for Paizo as it would add a lot of visibility to the setting. I think I'd most interested in the armies of Cheliax. Hellknights, devils and pact wizards... sign me up
Interesting to finally have a setting that treats undeath as something other than "haha we are pure evil". They actually have proper culture and internal politics, even trade with other groups and nations. Just such a rare thing to see.
Just tossing my engagement to the algorithm here. I feel like it’ll get repetitive if I just keep opining on how excellent these videos are, and how I could listen (and do) for hours and hours. No, I think I’ll save everyone my long-winded thoughts on how your deep dives are so thorough and yet easy to follow; extremely well researched but still not too dense to digest and enjoy. And it would obviously be overkill if I kept commenting about how these videos inspire my own world building, and how, when each one is over, I tumble down a rabbit hole on your channel for most of the rest of that day.
Haha! Just so you know Kyle, you're 100% the reason I published today and not tomorrow as I typically do. This was a really fun vid to make and should whet your appetite for Nex.
@MythKeeper super super exciting !!! We literally had session 1 of the Impossible Lands campaign I've been working on last week. They're starting in Absalom (as many Golarion stories do) but the plan is to have them investigate the Spire of Nex with the Pathfrinder Society which will quickly lead them to the Impossible Lands for the rest of the campaign. So these videos could not be more perfectly timed for me. Thanks again so much, really appreciate all of your effort on this content !!!!
@@kylenordmann7978 I have to say this sounds like a super-fun campaign concept. Warmongering Blood Lords could make for some really great side-villains on this adventure.
I think flavour wise I prefer Ustalav but there's a lot of little details here I like. The kulonet dwarves sounded really interesting and I like the set up of Yleb, with it's necromancy schools, tight controls on the living and vampire who can get you the right papers. It sounds like a fun set up for a short game. Perhaps a heist.
Geb makes Ustalav look much more conventional in many ways. Sure there are vampires, werewolves and zombies running around, but by and large they're not running the show. Humans are still in charge and the church of Pharasma and her agents are very active and working hard to keep the population safe from the depradations of the living dead. Ustalav is in a state of conflict, which is cool, while Geb is actually very settled in its current state (minus the potential war with Nex).
@@TheMythKeeper That's a really good way to describe the difference: Ustalav is in a state of conflict and Geb is very settled. I think for me personally that means I can see more ways to run a game in Ustalav; because there's constant conflict and chaos. That leaves room for a lot of the kinds of adventure hooks I like for short games. Geb's settled, set state makes it an interesting addition to the world. It's good to have an example of what it means when the undead 'win'. But (for me) it also makes it feel like a setting more suitable for a long campaign then a short game, and I see less points where I could make a long term game my players would enjoy. That's a personal thing though! It's a good, well crafted part of the world. There's a lot of interesting stuff there. I think my preference probably just highlights my own game preferences. And it's a good thing that Pathfinder has so many varied, rich settings in its world: it leaves room for all kinds of players and GMs to find something they like.
Man, I loved this video so much! Your research is incredibly in depth and I *love* how you present it like a in-universe historical paper. I have to check out your other stuff!
@@TheMythKeeper it really is. Between these two channels, I feel like I have an amazing grasp on both the rules and setting for someone who has only run a couple of one shots for the game
12:46 man, this is funny cause one of our campaigns ended with half the party breaking away to become evil after what we went through. It’s cool when the make canon examples of Adventurers going bad.
I can't believe how many people have commented that they're just starting Blood Lords as this video came out. That's awesome, I'm so glad I could help.
@@TheMythKeeper Update: 2 months into Blood Lords and your video was in fact a massive help. Several players have referenced info about Yled you provided in their backstory and overall it’s really helped to weave everything together. Seriously we love your deep dives it’s been a big help to us. Thank you from the bottom of our hearts.
Okay, I was expecting a history lesson, but even their popular fashion is mentioned. That's just ridiculous and amazing. I love how in depth Golarion is and how fleshed out and living it seems. It still does not pull away Geb from my top position of countries to wipe off the map given the chance.
Ah Arazni... while I like the character and what interesting spins the writers gave her story, it's pretty obvious she was inspired by Sylvannas Windrunner. Hopefully Pazio will give her a better arc than what Blizzard ultimately did to the Banshee Queen.
It does feel that way right? However it also feels that Arazni is now well on her way to some form of redemption so their paths have diverged a fair bit since their similar grim origins.
I’d be shocked if Paizo pulls anything as bad as BfA/Shadowlands writing with Sylvanas, even the bits of Golarion I’m less interested in are always well written
As of a few weeks ago, they've confirmed Arazni will be the deity ascending to the core 20 as of War of Immortals, so we'll see soon where they go with her story!
thanks for doing this im gming a weekly blood lords game and this is really helpful for someone like me who finds reading generally a chore and difficult to retain. i really appreciate these videos. keep them going. aleknstar is the other campaign setting im doing and id love to see more of that.
Awesome! Glad I could help. Alkenstar is coming. In terms of my Garund-based deepdives, my current order is Western Mwangi next, then Nex, then probably Alkenstar & Dongun Hold; so its a bit of a wait still, but its coming.
Never really got into pathfinder dont get me wrong i love 3.5 so im sure id like it but most of my players prefer 5e. Now that i legit sat through this entire lore video I gotta look more into it seems way more interesting then forgotten realms lore aswell
The lore is the strength of pathfinder, and honestly if your players are enjoying 5E, its close enough to 1E that you could probably pick up any 1E AP and run it as a 5E game.
Love your videos sm they have tuaght me sm about the world of Golarion. Also quick question will you be doing a Tian Xia video once you're done with Garund and Avistan?
As soon as the new Tian-Xia World Guide comes out I'll start putting out Tian-Xia videos, but it doesn't make sense to put them out now when so much more lore is coming.
Fantastic video! I'd always overlooked Geb as a generic "zombie land" but it turns out there's a ton of unique culture and history. Do you have any plans to cover the Shackles or Numeria? They're two of my favorite regions and both of their APs look really fun.
Yeah absolutely. They're both coming. My order for upcoming Avistan deep dives is Brevoy/Mendev/Iobaria -> Sarkoris/Worldwound -> Numeria; so that one is relatively close. Shackles is a little bit further out but also shouldn't be too much of a wait.
this is actually the video that got me to get into 2e just so i could play blood lords lol been pretty good so far, hearing the part about graydirge is weird now, like accidentally finding a video mentioning a town youve been to or something
yeah I've already added weird plot elements to the game that my players think was part of the written game, such as adding the villain in person to the campaign much earlier in a mostly friendly capacity, and as a result being forced to come up with increasingly elaborate modifications to keep the plot moving normally
My favourite character I’m currently playing is a prophet of Aroden from Geb in WoTR. He believes Aroden can be resurrected like Arazni and tries to be a lawful-good (LN to be honest) necromancer treating the zombies he creates with great respect I’m… lowkey obsessed with this character and started writing in-universe papers and dissertations from his perspective (“on the ethics of the Art”) I’m actually watching this video for research for his next work xd I’m having lots of fun with this guy
@@TheMythKeeper The best part is, when I created the character I had no idea the Lich Path existed in WoTR! So when my GM introduced Zacharius I went completely nuts! I never suspected necromancy could play any role in a campaign focused on paladins fighting demons 😅
Its fortunately fewer and fewer takes with each video as I get a little more practiced. In the beginning I was repeating myself *alot* but its definitely been getting better.
I don't have a specific serpentfolk video on the schedule yet, BUT, I'm covering a lot of Serpentfolk info in some upcoming videos. I have a Western Mwangi video and a Central Mwangi video which cover the Ghol-gan and the Serpentfolk in much more detail respectively and catalogues there war as well. If that's not enough serpentfolk content for you let me know after those two have dropped ;-)
I wanted to do a mega dungeon, so I put a ruined city in the muwangi expanse. Mainly it is a couple of multi leveled pyramids with a giant interconnected cave dungeon beneath, with its main big bads being serpent folk. It has been going on for almost 2 years now
@@wperdew6078 If you pick up a copy of the last few AP Booklets for "Serpent's Skull" the Saventh-Yhi dungeon is pretty much exactly that. Surface: 64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8i15hls9E1r4c0gco1_1280.jpg Underground: i.pinimg.com/originals/f2/1a/ed/f21aedb675e3c34ab4e90f1b194bba0c.png Might help you with ideas for yours as well.
too quiet. I can't hear over my global warming fans. Edit: I have returned in the quiet months of lower temperatures and this was a pleasure to listen to. Geb looks like a goblin's head on the map.
Love the depth and access ability of these. I'm running a Gravelands campaign atm and wonder what the relation between the Knights of Lastwall and Geb would be now. Maybe enough desperation could form some tenuous relation?
This is a great meaty question that deserves a serious answer. Let's start with Geb/Graveland relations before we get to the Knights of Lastwall. The Ghost King and Tar-Baphon both rule nations of the living dead, but they are not friendly. First, they are both undead despots and they dislike anyone who is a challenge to their power. Second, their is something even more personal at play, which is that because of the Whispering Tyrant's return, Geb's favored servant Arazni has abdicated her position and abandoned him. He likely blames Tar-Baphon for this. This means that if there are any relations between Geb and the Gravelands its not at the national level, but rather connections being formed between the lieutenants and servants of the two undead lords that might find some mutual advantage in cooperation. Such alliances might even be brokered by neutral, undead-friendly third parties, like the Midnight Guard of Nidal or the agents of Walkena just to give a couple examples. That being said, just because Geb and Tar-Baphon are not allies does not make Geb a prospective ally to the Knights of Lastwall. Consider that Geb mutilated and defiled Arazni, who was once the patron saint of the Knights of Lastwall. That's a lot to set aside, even if they were to find common cause. That being said, the Knights of Lastwall may find common cause with some of the Bloodlords of Geb, especially those who were quite loyal to Arazni. Don't forget Arazni is still around and continues to move covertly against the Whispering Tyrant. Though a liche, the Knights have a soft-spot for her. If Arazni loyalists can still be found in Geb, they could prove allies to the Knights of Lastwall. All food for thought... ;-)
please don't take this as an insult, your accent is so interesting to me, I can't tell where you're from. I wanna say you're Canadian, but there's more to it than that. Super interesting to listen to
Played RotRL once upon a time, but never thought there'd be a place this cool in Golarion. I think my next character is going to be a skeleton for hire looking to make a name for themself so they can unlive it up in Geb.
14:42 I think it looked something like this: Geb and Nex are gradually beginning to envy each other's power, more and more often they argue which schools of magic are the most powerful, difficult to master, useful, and so on. Gradually, they begin to unobtrusively demonstrate their power to each other: either Geb will arrive in a wagon made of bones pulled by two undead horses, then Nex will demonstrate trees improved by magic and give Geb one of their beautiful fruits for a sample, and so on. And at one point, Geb, a representative of a noble house, refined, with excellent taste in everything, so demonstrates his superiority in Art that the irascible commoner can not stand it and begins to prepare his first meanness against an old friend.
I really like the video, but I just wanted to make some quick corrections/clarifications on two points, at least for people who are reading the comments after watching the video for the first time or whatever. First, Arazni was literally unable to disobey Geb due to his control over her (Gods and Magic, pg 54); second, it was not that Aroden sent her to aid the Knights of Ozem, but rather that they--at a time when they were led by Iomedae, mind you--forcibly bound her into service to their cause, fearing she would abandon them (Knights of Lastwall, pg 9). I hope this isn't rude, I'm just a shameless Arazni stan and am very familiar with her lore.
Are there any spoilers for the Blood Lords AP in this video? If so I should probably hold off on watching it, since I'm currently playing through that one.
Hi, I was wondering, what's the characterization of "Mercy" the Geb city(?) Near Alkenstar. I imagine that they do their fair share of trading with Alkenstar which would mean... vampires with guns? Anyway, love the video, a huge help!
Mercy is the setting of The Twisted Circle, a short Pathfinder Society adventure: pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/The_Twisted_Circle Normally I get my hands on all of these before I make a video, but for whatever reason this one escaped me at the time I made the Geb video so I left this out of my summary. That said, pretty sure vampires with Guns is accurate!
@@TheMythKeeper Nice, I'll get the adventure, hopefully there isn't a problem with reflavoring Mercy as a Mexican town (Dia de los Muertos Style). Unless there is a more appropriate place for that.
I wish I knew who the artist was. I found it my Geb working folder labeled as "Man from Yled". I wonder if it wasn't directly from the Impossible Lands sourcebook. In any case I dropped him onto Imgur for you: imgur.com/a/4PfKmFv Thanks for watching and enjoying the videos.
But isn't necromancy already its own school of magic? And out of all the spells in the necromantic school, how many actually raise undead? I'd say the majority of them instead revolve around doing horrifying things to the mortal body and soul, and like six of them actually raise the dead?
I really love your attention to detail in these videos, that make me learn so much more of these places I thought I already know relatively well. But I have to say, to my taste, your videos are far too long to sit through at once. Have you ever thought about making it more or less the same recording, but split it up into 2 or 3 Videos (History, Geography and Culture or something like that)?
I have, but my most consistent comment is actually the opposite, that people really appreciate that I do long-form content. That said, my Mwangi video was split in 3 and my upcoming Dragons video is being split into 2, so I'm not opposed to slicing videos. I think 1.5-2hrs is about my cap here. For now, if you're finding them too long, just drop off, TH-cam will remember your spot, and hey, you'll count as 2 views for me instead of 1 so all good for my metrics. 🤣
@@TheMythKeeper tried but haven't had any lasting groups for longer than 3 sessions due to time zones and scheduling as is always the bane of TTRPG groups. Pathfinder also isn't nearly as popular where I am living so in person groups aren't an option either as I have only passing familiarity with patherfiner due to WOTR. Pathfinder lore is vastly better than D&D lore by a long shot to.
Hey man, I love your work, I've been a PF 1e player for ages looking to move to 2e soon. I noticed some of your videos are behind a membership wall. Will those ever make there way to nonmembers?
Every single video comes through the main channel. Members just get to view the videos a little early is all. Well specifically they are four videos ahead, so if you want early access or just want generally to support the channel that's the best way.
Geb = Thay 😅 which is something I love. There are too many similarities Zulkirs/tharchs = blood lords are undead of some kind. Osiriani garundi/ Mulan ethnicity both are usually tall and sender build. Both have ancestral traditions shaving their heads,eyebrows and faces. Geb/Sazz Tam both unleash poisons fog/ Dream vestige or horn of beckoning Death on their own nation killing and transformed most the population into an army of undead. The vast "population" of undead zombies enthrall laborers
I always thought Geb was kind of boring. The Evil Undead nation. Whoopie. But, there’s more to it than that. The Quick-Dead Faction advocating for civil reform. The Living and Undead scholars at the Mausoleum debating necrotic theory. Even the “temporary marriages and adoptions” of Geb’s most militant city. They all show there’s more going on than just “Undead rule the Living and it sucks to live here.”
Yeah, Paizo’s really good about adding nuance to this setting. After Watching this video, I really want to play a recently turned Vampire follower of Nocticula or even Shelyn who became undead just so he could master all art forms. I really like the idea of being surrounded by all these politicians and fanatics and screaming “Leave me alone! I just want to paint!”
Where did you get the map of Yled at 1:03:07 I am looking to set a short urban campaign where the players are quick in that city and a quick google search brings up nothing. Also, what books do you recommend to get as much detail as you can on the city? Thinking about making the bad guy an ambitious necromancer from the Twilight castrum
The entire war between Geb and Nex can be summed up as: "Why wizards don't make good kings." Thanks for the video.
Haha! Happy new year! What a delightful time to see a new comment alert.
Alternatively, as Golarion's messiest break up
At this point you should create an audiobook called Nations of Golarion. I would definitely buy it.
Same
Hmmm... 🤔
I would too but I don't think copyright allows that, unless the devs commission you
@@chocolito9461 Yeah I think at a certain point you start to stretch the limits of Fair Use.
@@TheMythKeeperyeah, you would need Paizo's permission to do so with Paizo getting a cut of the profits.
The kitten-vendor at ca. 59:00 is best of many excellent images.
Hahaha! Thank you, that was the perfect find.
Running Blood Lords for a few months now so I was just WAITING for a Geb video
Awesome! Love it when the timing works out for you guys.
Wanna hear something funny? I made my first character in Pathfinder a Geb native on accident. I didn't know anything about any location in Golarion and just randomly picked out a name. Made creating a backstory a hell of an experience!
Haha! That's really great. These days there are living people in Geb once again as you see from the video. Its sort of necessary for them to have any kind of commerce with the outside world.
I hope if Owlcat does another pathfinder game they set it in Geb it could be fun choosing which type of undead you want to become.
Absolutely. Blood Lords would make a fun computer RPG.
I believe they are working on adapting abomination vaults next.
Going through Blood Lords AP as a Bard focusing on Knowledge Checks and Bardic Lord ... Woot!
Haha! Awesome! This one is all politics so you're going to get a lot of mileage out of all that lore.
It's really nice that 2e is putting so much attention on some of its weirder locales like Geb.
Agreed! Impossible Lands and Tian-Xia are really exciting 2nd ed books for me, doing a great job of fleshing out the world.
@@TheMythKeeper ha, flesh.
I absolutely love this. Thanks so much! My only exposure to the Pathfinder world has come about through Wrath of the Righteous - there are so many countries that just get little mentions here and there, and I love being able to learn more about them through this. Cheliax is next on my watch-list!
This is a particularly fun spot. Thanks for watching and welcome to the channel.
Idk if Paizo did it first, but i think Geb is the model for relatively rare idea of "undead society" in RPG settings. Pillars of eternity 2 had a funny side area where the entire population of the island are ghouls and zombies who are brainwashed to think that they are normal people, then in recent 5e settings there was Midgard where "darakhul empire" is basically this world's Underdark, only its denizens are all undead, but all these examples came out after published book about Geb.
In Starfinder they have a whole planet of undead as well. That also appears to be the concept of the empire in the "Gideon the Ninth" series by Tamsyn Muir.
...Nehekhara? :)
@@goransekulic3671 from what I learned about undead in Warhammer, they are basically mindless and just serve as a tool to whatever necromancer bound them, while in Geb undead form stratified society with even the lowest members of that society being undead by their own accord, not because they were raised by some other person and will turn to dust the moment that person turns his attention away.
@@quint3ssent1a Tomb Kings are actually the basis for nuNecron and as such, yes, they have their mindless Undead, but most of them are actually trapped in a bone prison as it were. Some chose to awake and some got awoken, but all of them are trapped in a world that moved far beyond their time. nuNecron are a SF version of that. Undead society. Now, I don't know the details such as who awoke Settra or Khatep or some such.
But yeah. It is different than Geb. And I would actually prefer Nehekhara. Given that their rulers aren't actively malicious(just very, very full of themselves and cranky) like Geb's rulers often are.
@@quint3ssent1a With that said, Warhammer(either) is distinctly very aristocratic(gee, like Englishmen made it?). Meaning that everything below a Necrotect or a Liche Priest isn't really important. This applies to EVERY FACTION btw. I don't always welcome this with open arms tbh. Could be because I don't like Lords+ depicted, but ...
So, it is very nice to see Geb etc fleshed out. Something a bit different. Something less top down heavy.
Earl Sweatshirt - “Geb” brought me here
I need to say, these videos are so helpful. I hate reading through information for settings and this gives it to me in a fun and relatively speedy manner.
@@raptordaraptor7861 thanks so much for the kind words! Glad this is working!
Damn.... I would love if the next fantasy installment of total war was based on Pathfinder, I would become completely obsessed with Geb.
That would be pretty epic, and honestly a pretty great deal for Paizo as it would add a lot of visibility to the setting. I think I'd most interested in the armies of Cheliax. Hellknights, devils and pact wizards... sign me up
Eh idk about CA doing that, watch them just reskin the tomb kings
Interesting to finally have a setting that treats undeath as something other than "haha we are pure evil". They actually have proper culture and internal politics, even trade with other groups and nations. Just such a rare thing to see.
Yeah its very cool
It reminds me of Kyopelinvouri, from the infamous Astoshan story
It's a concept I've always enjoyed thinking about. Because undeath doesn't specifically have to be evil.
Just tossing my engagement to the algorithm here. I feel like it’ll get repetitive if I just keep opining on how excellent these videos are, and how I could listen (and do) for hours and hours.
No, I think I’ll save everyone my long-winded thoughts on how your deep dives are so thorough and yet easy to follow; extremely well researched but still not too dense to digest and enjoy.
And it would obviously be overkill if I kept commenting about how these videos inspire my own world building, and how, when each one is over, I tumble down a rabbit hole on your channel for most of the rest of that day.
This is the nicest comment. Thanks!
Its Impossible Lands time, Wooooo!!! Been waiting for this, cant wait for Nex too, theyre my favorite !!
Haha! Just so you know Kyle, you're 100% the reason I published today and not tomorrow as I typically do. This was a really fun vid to make and should whet your appetite for Nex.
@MythKeeper super super exciting !!! We literally had session 1 of the Impossible Lands campaign I've been working on last week. They're starting in Absalom (as many Golarion stories do) but the plan is to have them investigate the Spire of Nex with the Pathfrinder Society which will quickly lead them to the Impossible Lands for the rest of the campaign. So these videos could not be more perfectly timed for me. Thanks again so much, really appreciate all of your effort on this content !!!!
@@kylenordmann7978 I have to say this sounds like a super-fun campaign concept. Warmongering Blood Lords could make for some really great side-villains on this adventure.
I need more story about Geb... especially from a protagonist standpoint. I hate Geb's enemies!
Yeah Geb's enemies are totally gross. They have all this skin and stuff - who needs it?
100% with you. Hail Geb!
@@TheMythKeeper 🤣 and functioning organs!! omg so gross!!
Yeah, I wouldn't be caught dead being alive.
@@Abyssal86 🤣
I think flavour wise I prefer Ustalav but there's a lot of little details here I like. The kulonet dwarves sounded really interesting and I like the set up of Yleb, with it's necromancy schools, tight controls on the living and vampire who can get you the right papers. It sounds like a fun set up for a short game. Perhaps a heist.
Geb makes Ustalav look much more conventional in many ways. Sure there are vampires, werewolves and zombies running around, but by and large they're not running the show. Humans are still in charge and the church of Pharasma and her agents are very active and working hard to keep the population safe from the depradations of the living dead. Ustalav is in a state of conflict, which is cool, while Geb is actually very settled in its current state (minus the potential war with Nex).
@@TheMythKeeper That's a really good way to describe the difference: Ustalav is in a state of conflict and Geb is very settled. I think for me personally that means I can see more ways to run a game in Ustalav; because there's constant conflict and chaos. That leaves room for a lot of the kinds of adventure hooks I like for short games.
Geb's settled, set state makes it an interesting addition to the world. It's good to have an example of what it means when the undead 'win'. But (for me) it also makes it feel like a setting more suitable for a long campaign then a short game, and I see less points where I could make a long term game my players would enjoy.
That's a personal thing though! It's a good, well crafted part of the world. There's a lot of interesting stuff there. I think my preference probably just highlights my own game preferences. And it's a good thing that Pathfinder has so many varied, rich settings in its world: it leaves room for all kinds of players and GMs to find something they like.
wow, an hour of Pathfinder lore(Geb in this case)? Yes! Thank you!
Stay tuned I have Nex coming out in the not too distant future.
Man, I loved this video so much! Your research is incredibly in depth and I *love* how you present it like a in-universe historical paper.
I have to check out your other stuff!
Wow, thank you! Please do check out the rest of the channel ❤️
Gotta say, I will listen to every undead video you make just to hear you say "bones"
my favorite setting. i jumped to pf2e because of bloodlords and fell in love with making sure Geb is the greatest nation in Golarion.
What an awesome intro to the game 🙂
Necromancers will be commenting on this video for generations
You rock Hank! Thanks for the comment and the support!
Jumping from an hour plus long The Rules Lawyer video to an hour plus long MythKeeper video. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
Haha! That's a good Wednesday.
@@TheMythKeeper it really is. Between these two channels, I feel like I have an amazing grasp on both the rules and setting for someone who has only run a couple of one shots for the game
Very high quality video as usual!
I must thank this video and having only passing knowledge of Geb for introducing me to this channel!
Awesome! Welcome to the channel
Geb reminds me of Deyja, the Necromancers kingdom from HoMM III. Nice to see a functioning undead realm, for once.
I agree, I miss that setting
really awesome, 2 hours f great information , a great work, thanks!
Thank you!
Geb, must be a really cool video! I will save it to what it later, I can't now.
Exactly what I was hoping for!
It's always a shock to the heart when I'm notified on of your uploads ❤
12:46 man, this is funny cause one of our campaigns ended with half the party breaking away to become evil after what we went through. It’s cool when the make canon examples of Adventurers going bad.
That is totally what happened to Archmage Nex.
I'm thoroughly impressed with the imagination here. Totally unique lore here.
About to start the Blood Lords adventure path, this is going to be a BIG HELP.
I can't believe how many people have commented that they're just starting Blood Lords as this video came out. That's awesome, I'm so glad I could help.
@@TheMythKeeper
Update: 2 months into Blood Lords and your video was in fact a massive help. Several players have referenced info about Yled you provided in their backstory and overall it’s really helped to weave everything together.
Seriously we love your deep dives it’s been a big help to us.
Thank you from the bottom of our hearts.
@@TopHatdudeman You're really welcome, honestly! And thank you so much for sharing
I think Geb is my favorite nation on Pathfinder, is super interesting!
Yeah its a special one.
Okay, I was expecting a history lesson, but even their popular fashion is mentioned. That's just ridiculous and amazing. I love how in depth Golarion is and how fleshed out and living it seems.
It still does not pull away Geb from my top position of countries to wipe off the map given the chance.
Fashion is important! You've got to know how to look stylish when traversing the lands of the dead!
Quite excited to watch this one. Thanks Mythkeeper!
Mythkeeper out here doing the Lords Work for all of us.
ive been running bloodlords saturdays, so awesome
I've been so pleasantly surprised by how many people are watching this video as they've been playing or running bloodlords.
This was fascinating, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video as always, loved every second. Can't wait for Tianjing!
Ah Arazni... while I like the character and what interesting spins the writers gave her story, it's pretty obvious she was inspired by Sylvannas Windrunner. Hopefully Pazio will give her a better arc than what Blizzard ultimately did to the Banshee Queen.
It does feel that way right? However it also feels that Arazni is now well on her way to some form of redemption so their paths have diverged a fair bit since their similar grim origins.
I’d be shocked if Paizo pulls anything as bad as BfA/Shadowlands writing with Sylvanas, even the bits of Golarion I’m less interested in are always well written
As of a few weeks ago, they've confirmed Arazni will be the deity ascending to the core 20 as of War of Immortals, so we'll see soon where they go with her story!
Amazing video, thanks for the upload. This will be very useful for one of my players and his backstory.
Glad to hear it!
This was fantastic, that filled a huge gap in my mind on what that area was like. My picture of it was completely different lol
You're welcome! Glad I could open up one more part of the world for you.
fantastic!😄
Been waiting for this one!
What an awesome concept of a nation
Right!? Stay tuned for Nex too which comes out next week ;-)
@@TheMythKeeper Nice! Quantium is a crazy place
thanks for doing this im gming a weekly blood lords game and this is really helpful for someone like me who finds reading generally a chore and difficult to retain. i really appreciate these videos. keep them going. aleknstar is the other campaign setting im doing and id love to see more of that.
Awesome! Glad I could help. Alkenstar is coming. In terms of my Garund-based deepdives, my current order is Western Mwangi next, then Nex, then probably Alkenstar & Dongun Hold; so its a bit of a wait still, but its coming.
Never really got into pathfinder dont get me wrong i love 3.5 so im sure id like it but most of my players prefer 5e. Now that i legit sat through this entire lore video I gotta look more into it seems way more interesting then forgotten realms lore aswell
The lore is the strength of pathfinder, and honestly if your players are enjoying 5E, its close enough to 1E that you could probably pick up any 1E AP and run it as a 5E game.
Exceptional lore videos. Thank you
its so nice seeing pathfinder lore, i kinda forgot it was a setting, and not just what I played while dnd was bad.
Its great, and honestly if you're enjoying 5e D&D all the APs can be easily adapted without much effort
Helped me learn for blood lords, ty
You're very welcome! Thanks for commenting
Love your videos sm they have tuaght me sm about the world of Golarion. Also quick question will you be doing a Tian Xia video once you're done with Garund and Avistan?
As soon as the new Tian-Xia World Guide comes out I'll start putting out Tian-Xia videos, but it doesn't make sense to put them out now when so much more lore is coming.
@@TheMythKeeper makes sense I am looking forward to it!!
I was hoping you'd do Geb! Excellent job.
Thank you sir, one of my favorites to work on.
Oh heck yeah
Fantastic video! I'd always overlooked Geb as a generic "zombie land" but it turns out there's a ton of unique culture and history.
Do you have any plans to cover the Shackles or Numeria? They're two of my favorite regions and both of their APs look really fun.
Yeah absolutely. They're both coming. My order for upcoming Avistan deep dives is Brevoy/Mendev/Iobaria -> Sarkoris/Worldwound -> Numeria; so that one is relatively close. Shackles is a little bit further out but also shouldn't be too much of a wait.
The dwarves necromancers of the Darklands under Geb sound like the White Necromancer class from Kobold press.
Absolutely. Kulenett white necromancers would be a pretty appropriate use of that class
the initial information for the Rise of Geb sounded very much like the Rise of Nagash from Warhammer fantasy
You're absolutely not the first to notice this similarity.
Still hard at work I see, friend! 😂 You make me miss my PF sessions!
As always, Great work and amazing voice over!
Thanks for all the support Kyle 🙂
@@TheMythKeeper no problem dude! I wish I could do more for ya. I plan on joining the myth watchers once my financial situation improves!
this is actually the video that got me to get into 2e just so i could play blood lords lol
been pretty good so far, hearing the part about graydirge is weird now, like accidentally finding a video mentioning a town youve been to or something
It’s weird writing it too, because you start to do double-takes. Wait, is this canon or did this just happen in my campaign…
yeah I've already added weird plot elements to the game that my players think was part of the written game, such as adding the villain in person to the campaign much earlier in a mostly friendly capacity, and as a result being forced to come up with increasingly elaborate modifications to keep the plot moving normally
@@obamabiden That's the GM version of the butterfly effect. Sometimes it leads to great results.
My favourite character I’m currently playing is a prophet of Aroden from Geb in WoTR. He believes Aroden can be resurrected like Arazni and tries to be a lawful-good (LN to be honest) necromancer treating the zombies he creates with great respect
I’m… lowkey obsessed with this character and started writing in-universe papers and dissertations from his perspective (“on the ethics of the Art”)
I’m actually watching this video for research for his next work xd I’m having lots of fun with this guy
This sounds great! Thanks for sharing ❤️
@@TheMythKeeper The best part is, when I created the character I had no idea the Lich Path existed in WoTR! So when my GM introduced Zacharius I went completely nuts! I never suspected necromancy could play any role in a campaign focused on paladins fighting demons 😅
Places in Garundi are quite interesting.
Right!? 😆
You do a good job of reading this stuff in a serious voice. Wonder how many takes it took.
Its fortunately fewer and fewer takes with each video as I get a little more practiced. In the beginning I was repeating myself *alot* but its definitely been getting better.
#Gebdidnothingwrong. Amazing work as always.
Not a pro-Nex guy I see!
Great work as always! Can we get a video on the serpent folk and their history? I'd love to see more of the prehistory of Golarion
I don't have a specific serpentfolk video on the schedule yet, BUT, I'm covering a lot of Serpentfolk info in some upcoming videos. I have a Western Mwangi video and a Central Mwangi video which cover the Ghol-gan and the Serpentfolk in much more detail respectively and catalogues there war as well. If that's not enough serpentfolk content for you let me know after those two have dropped ;-)
I wanted to do a mega dungeon, so I put a ruined city in the muwangi expanse. Mainly it is a couple of multi leveled pyramids with a giant interconnected cave dungeon beneath, with its main big bads being serpent folk. It has been going on for almost 2 years now
@@wperdew6078 If you pick up a copy of the last few AP Booklets for "Serpent's Skull" the Saventh-Yhi dungeon is pretty much exactly that.
Surface: 64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8i15hls9E1r4c0gco1_1280.jpg
Underground:
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Might help you with ideas for yours as well.
You are a giant inspiration, I will soon start doing the same, but for Urth in Shadow of the Demon Lord.
Awesome! Do it!
wow, i loved the skeleton soldiers
too quiet. I can't hear over my global warming fans.
Edit: I have returned in the quiet months of lower temperatures and this was a pleasure to listen to. Geb looks like a goblin's head on the map.
36:42 haha, The Quick and the Dead 😆
Love the depth and access ability of these. I'm running a Gravelands campaign atm and wonder what the relation between the Knights of Lastwall and Geb would be now. Maybe enough desperation could form some tenuous relation?
This is a great meaty question that deserves a serious answer. Let's start with Geb/Graveland relations before we get to the Knights of Lastwall. The Ghost King and Tar-Baphon both rule nations of the living dead, but they are not friendly. First, they are both undead despots and they dislike anyone who is a challenge to their power. Second, their is something even more personal at play, which is that because of the Whispering Tyrant's return, Geb's favored servant Arazni has abdicated her position and abandoned him. He likely blames Tar-Baphon for this. This means that if there are any relations between Geb and the Gravelands its not at the national level, but rather connections being formed between the lieutenants and servants of the two undead lords that might find some mutual advantage in cooperation. Such alliances might even be brokered by neutral, undead-friendly third parties, like the Midnight Guard of Nidal or the agents of Walkena just to give a couple examples.
That being said, just because Geb and Tar-Baphon are not allies does not make Geb a prospective ally to the Knights of Lastwall. Consider that Geb mutilated and defiled Arazni, who was once the patron saint of the Knights of Lastwall. That's a lot to set aside, even if they were to find common cause. That being said, the Knights of Lastwall may find common cause with some of the Bloodlords of Geb, especially those who were quite loyal to Arazni. Don't forget Arazni is still around and continues to move covertly against the Whispering Tyrant. Though a liche, the Knights have a soft-spot for her. If Arazni loyalists can still be found in Geb, they could prove allies to the Knights of Lastwall.
All food for thought... ;-)
please don't take this as an insult, your accent is so interesting to me, I can't tell where you're from. I wanna say you're Canadian, but there's more to it than that. Super interesting to listen to
I explain my background in my 1-year anniversary special video, if you want to track that down 😄
Played RotRL once upon a time, but never thought there'd be a place this cool in Golarion. I think my next character is going to be a skeleton for hire looking to make a name for themself so they can unlive it up in Geb.
Hell yeah, just wear a bucket over your head when hanging around non-Gebbite's to conceal you undeadness.
14:42 I think it looked something like this: Geb and Nex are gradually beginning to envy each other's power, more and more often they argue which schools of magic are the most powerful, difficult to master, useful, and so on. Gradually, they begin to unobtrusively demonstrate their power to each other: either Geb will arrive in a wagon made of bones pulled by two undead horses, then Nex will demonstrate trees improved by magic and give Geb one of their beautiful fruits for a sample, and so on. And at one point, Geb, a representative of a noble house, refined, with excellent taste in everything, so demonstrates his superiority in Art that the irascible commoner can not stand it and begins to prepare his first meanness against an old friend.
_The Quick dead Coalition_
Sounds like union
_Even in Dead the Struggle continues_ 😅
You my Geb, Geb.
You my Geb too.
I really like the video, but I just wanted to make some quick corrections/clarifications on two points, at least for people who are reading the comments after watching the video for the first time or whatever. First, Arazni was literally unable to disobey Geb due to his control over her (Gods and Magic, pg 54); second, it was not that Aroden sent her to aid the Knights of Ozem, but rather that they--at a time when they were led by Iomedae, mind you--forcibly bound her into service to their cause, fearing she would abandon them (Knights of Lastwall, pg 9). I hope this isn't rude, I'm just a shameless Arazni stan and am very familiar with her lore.
Not rude at all! Rock on and keep bringing those details
I wish the next pathfinder game takes place at the beginning of the next Geb Nex war. That would be awesome
Definitely agree!
Are there any spoilers for the Blood Lords AP in this video? If so I should probably hold off on watching it, since I'm currently playing through that one.
No spoilers.
@@TheMythKeeper Thanks!
somehow missed this one
You're in for a treat - this is one of the best ones
Ahh the land of the dead this will be fun
👏👏👏👏👏
Hi, I was wondering, what's the characterization of "Mercy" the Geb city(?) Near Alkenstar. I imagine that they do their fair share of trading with Alkenstar which would mean... vampires with guns?
Anyway, love the video, a huge help!
Mercy is the setting of The Twisted Circle, a short Pathfinder Society adventure: pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/The_Twisted_Circle
Normally I get my hands on all of these before I make a video, but for whatever reason this one escaped me at the time I made the Geb video so I left this out of my summary.
That said, pretty sure vampires with Guns is accurate!
@@TheMythKeeper Nice, I'll get the adventure, hopefully there isn't a problem with reflavoring Mercy as a Mexican town (Dia de los Muertos Style).
Unless there is a more appropriate place for that.
@@Chatedh Haha! I totally think that would work.
YOO it's geb time!!!
Hell yeah it is! This is maybe the most unique country in the whole setting. Hope you enjoy it.
I wouldn't mind a documentary on the pathfinders
I do plan to get to Factions eventually. I've been dragging my feet on this one for sure.
Hi do you have the source for the art at 35:18
I am specifically looking for the ginger man in the middle.
Thanks in advance :)
P.S Love the video
I wish I knew who the artist was. I found it my Geb working folder labeled as "Man from Yled". I wonder if it wasn't directly from the Impossible Lands sourcebook. In any case I dropped him onto Imgur for you: imgur.com/a/4PfKmFv
Thanks for watching and enjoying the videos.
LMAO at the "Rare Wares"
🤣
But isn't necromancy already its own school of magic?
And out of all the spells in the necromantic school, how many actually raise undead? I'd say the majority of them instead revolve around doing horrifying things to the mortal body and soul, and like six of them actually raise the dead?
I really love your attention to detail in these videos, that make me learn so much more of these places I thought I already know relatively well.
But I have to say, to my taste, your videos are far too long to sit through at once. Have you ever thought about making it more or less the same recording, but split it up into 2 or 3 Videos (History, Geography and Culture or something like that)?
I have, but my most consistent comment is actually the opposite, that people really appreciate that I do long-form content. That said, my Mwangi video was split in 3 and my upcoming Dragons video is being split into 2, so I'm not opposed to slicing videos. I think 1.5-2hrs is about my cap here. For now, if you're finding them too long, just drop off, TH-cam will remember your spot, and hey, you'll count as 2 views for me instead of 1 so all good for my metrics. 🤣
I suddenly have a thousand ideas for Skeleton PCs
Awesome 😅
Damn. Kinda want to play a Blood Lords campaign but aint got friends to do so.
Try finding a group online ;-)
@@TheMythKeeper tried but haven't had any lasting groups for longer than 3 sessions due to time zones and scheduling as is always the bane of TTRPG groups. Pathfinder also isn't nearly as popular where I am living so in person groups aren't an option either as I have only passing familiarity with patherfiner due to WOTR. Pathfinder lore is vastly better than D&D lore by a long shot to.
Hey man, I love your work, I've been a PF 1e player for ages looking to move to 2e soon. I noticed some of your videos are behind a membership wall. Will those ever make there way to nonmembers?
Every single video comes through the main channel. Members just get to view the videos a little early is all. Well specifically they are four videos ahead, so if you want early access or just want generally to support the channel that's the best way.
Where did you find that Camila Drannoch full picture. My impossible lands book cut that soul in half.
I think when you ull the image asset out of the PDF you'll get a little more than you will if you screenshot it, but its definitely that image.
@@TheMythKeeper what software did you use?
@@diegorodrigues9528 Just Acrobat.
I'm surprised you have not yet covered Rahadoum. Too little to go over?
No, just haven't gotten there yet
Geb = Thay 😅 which is something I love. There are too many similarities
Zulkirs/tharchs = blood lords are undead of some kind.
Osiriani garundi/ Mulan ethnicity both are usually tall and sender build. Both have ancestral traditions shaving their heads,eyebrows and faces.
Geb/Sazz Tam both unleash poisons fog/ Dream vestige or horn of beckoning Death on their own nation killing and transformed most the population into an army of undead. The vast "population" of undead zombies enthrall laborers
Yeah definitely some similarities there
I always thought Geb was kind of boring. The Evil Undead nation. Whoopie.
But, there’s more to it than that. The Quick-Dead Faction advocating for civil reform. The Living and Undead scholars at the Mausoleum debating necrotic theory. Even the “temporary marriages and adoptions” of Geb’s most militant city. They all show there’s more going on than just “Undead rule the Living and it sucks to live here.”
Yeah its actually a pretty complicated land
Yeah, Paizo’s really good about adding nuance to this setting.
After Watching this video, I really want to play a recently turned Vampire follower of Nocticula or even Shelyn who became undead just so he could master all art forms. I really like the idea of being surrounded by all these politicians and fanatics and screaming “Leave me alone! I just want to paint!”
Where did you get the map of Yled at 1:03:07
I am looking to set a short urban campaign where the players are quick in that city and a quick google search brings up nothing. Also, what books do you recommend to get as much detail as you can on the city? Thinking about making the bad guy an ambitious necromancer from the Twilight castrum
Best resource is the Lost Omens: Impossible Lands guidebook. That is where the map comes from.
Thanks so much for all your replies to my comments!@@TheMythKeeper
Everytime anyone says cyclopes now I just hear "cy-clo-pees" in my head
I think that's technically correct and I'm just saying it wrong 😅
Ondricka Island
Does anyone know what picture is used for the thumbnail here?
Its from 2E Impossible Lands sourcebook linked in the description.
59:30 ah yes, the rarest of artifacts; CATS
Hehe. That's my favorite picture in the whole video