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    Revolutionary ideas and culture-shifting inventions are often credited to specific individuals, but how often do these "geniuses" actually operate in creative silos?
    Tim Sanders, former chief strategy officer at Yahoo, argues that there are three myths getting in the way of innovative ideas and productive collaborations: the myths of the expert, the eureka moment, and the "lone inventor."
    More than an innate quality reserved for an elite group, neuroscientist Heather Berlin and neurobiologist Joy Hirsch explain how creativity looks in the brain, and how given opportunity, resources, and attitude, we can all be like Bach, Beethoven, and Steve Jobs.
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    TRANSCRIPT:
    -There is no such thing as a lone inventor. We want to be as empowered as Ayn Rand. We want to think that we are the fountainhead, so this is how we tell the story. But until you believe that genius is a team sport, you will never give up control.
    - It's not just about collecting a bunch of data and knowing a lot of facts, but it's making these novel connections between ideas.
    - I think all of us as humans are sort of endowed with the need to make things better. Genius is just an extreme version of that but it represents us as humans in a very fundamental way.
    TIM SANDERS: There are myths of creativity and these myths are usually propagated by people that have romantic notions about heroes, romantic notions about eureka moments. And these myths of creativity keep people from collaborating and it causes them to be a lone wolf. And the research says it causes them to fail. So let me talk a little bit about those myths of creativity. In the world of sales and marketing, I battle against three myths. Myth number one, the lone inventor. This is very dangerous because there is no such thing as a lone inventor. As a matter of fact, there's a lot of historical research that has debunked Einstein. Specifically in terms of inventions, Henry Ford, not a lone inventor. Classic example, Thomas Edison. In the invention community, Thomas Edison is a brand. It stands for 14 people. Yes, there was a figurehead named Thomas Edison. His name is on 10,000 patents. He did not invent a single thing. He marshaled people together and knew how to spot innovations and put people together like, a creative soup, if you will. Here's a classic example, Steve Jobs, you ask the average person, say a millennial who uses a lot of Apple technology, "Who's one of the greatest inventors of our time?" They'll say Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs once said, "I never created anything. "All I did was notice patterns "and put people together to finish projects." So think about it. If he doesn't have Wozniak, there is no original Apple, right? If he doesn't have Ive, there is no iPod. If he doesn't have Tony Fiddel, there is no iPhone. And the list goes on and on.
    Got a good friend of mine, David Berkus, who wrote a really wonderful book about the myths of genius. And he was telling me that it's a romantic notion. And I remember when I first read this research years ago, no lone inventor, it did kind of hurt my feelings. I'm a musician in my past. I thought I wrote a lot of songs but according to the research, I'd never wrote a song. I always collaborated with somebody, the song that actually made it to the record and made it on the radio had 15 to 50 hands on it. When I talked to David, I said, "When I read your research, it kind of hurt my feelings." And he goes, "It's a romantic notion because we want to be heroes." We want to be as empowered as Ayn Rand. We want to think that we're the Fountainhead. So this is how we tell the story. But until you believe that genius is a team sport, you will never give up control. And this is the problem for a lot of people in sales. They don't want to cede any level of control over their process to somebody outside of sales world because they don't value those voices enough. But the research is clear on this, Miller Heiman Institute researched the difference between good and great. They call it world-class organizations. They win, they sell 20% more than their nearest competitor. The only thing they have in common is they've broken this myth and they understand that every deal is about rapid problem solving and no one person can solve the problem on their own.
    Quickly, the other two myths of creativity that must be dispelled is the eureka moment. There is no such thing as a big idea that changes the world. I know this is another one of those hurtful, but very true based on empirical research...
    To read the full transcript, please visit bigthink.com/videos/the-myth-...

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  • @AnushHariharan
    @AnushHariharan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    If you look closely, a person is a Genius not because they can remember a lot of facts or calculate fast. These are cognitive gifts. A genius is someone who connects information in a meaningful way. This depends on the way they think. This thinking is a skill development through introspection, reflection, and an open-mind.

  • @chrissscottt
    @chrissscottt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    I made the mistake of clicking on this video to learn some neuroscientific insights but what I got was some dude's corporate seminar pitch.

    • @johnnystob4037
      @johnnystob4037 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Somebody didn’t watch the whole video

    • @ElusiveCube
      @ElusiveCube 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly in first 4 minutes , I thought along Bill Nye, gibberish.

    • @yourmorningsht8538
      @yourmorningsht8538 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cool profile photo, bad comment

    • @chrissscottt
      @chrissscottt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@yourmorningsht8538 Thanks I guess. You have to admit the first part of this video is corporate waffle and that's as far as I got.

    • @wakousyremu8946
      @wakousyremu8946 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chrissscottt yes it is. And genius isn't team work. It requires more than only your own ideas and vision. But the genius can create something entirely new with it. Were these people would just get stuck and not progress any further

  • @glitchysquid1137
    @glitchysquid1137 3 ปีที่แล้ว +170

    Big think, "Genius is a team sport that requires natural creativity."
    Schools, "Read Chapter X, and do the questions at the end. No discussing answers."

    • @cultofpunktionality3302
      @cultofpunktionality3302 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Underrated

    • @Chrisdashes
      @Chrisdashes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Theodore Moises tip: these two people mentioning flixzone are bots. GOOGLE IT

    • @masonfarnsworth6730
      @masonfarnsworth6730 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Imagine if schools graded you as a team. As a grade. As a generation and it mattered. We would be lynching half the class. 1 slackers (me) and the over enthusiastic blonde cheerleaders. Well. Welcome to todays age. We have the internet. Kids watching these videos all day isnt slacking. Its learning. And look he failed his science Quiz but has a much better understanding of quantum mechanics and orbital mechanics than the teacher does.

  • @GaryGrumble
    @GaryGrumble 3 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    I think that you have a marketing view of Genius. The Physicists on most peoples Genius list all worked alone though the latter ones all said that they "Stood on the shoulders of Giants". eg Galileo, Newton, and Einstein definitely worked alone in the early years before they were discovered.

    • @yourmorningsht8538
      @yourmorningsht8538 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you believe that Stephan Hawking is worthy enough to be considered one of the greats?

    • @thressiapl1383
      @thressiapl1383 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So how can you say that with so much certainty? Where you there when they were actually "lonely inventing". The thing is we don't know. And when the research says that it's true then what could we possibly trust?

    • @jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104
      @jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      They had people they knew who influenced them and they had writings by people who had gone before. Einstein had lots of conversations with other people and got feedback. He went to school and university. I think he had an uncle or a tutor who inspired him. He had his first wife. He had his friends. He was pretty social when he was young. His work was inspired by experiments that had been done by others. So while he was highly original and did great work he wouldn't have been able to do it without others.

    • @standowner6979
      @standowner6979 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@yourmorningsht8538 No!

    • @kcopara1
      @kcopara1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104 You are reaching. The author talked about WORKING IN TEAMS. By your logic we should also include his Mom, Dad, Uncles, Aunts, pets... Anyone that had a modicum of positive influence in his life. His ingenuity came in "hitting a target NO ONE could see". He did that alone. No one were in his imaginary experiments that he often did alone. As well, Nikola Tesla...a genius who died alone and performed most of his inventions and imaginary experiments while walking by himself (Einstein went out on a boat alone or walked alone). Ironic this guy mentions Edison who isn't a genius but never once mentioned Tesla... The true genius Edison tried to destroy. That's why this guy loses credibility.

  • @robertferraro236
    @robertferraro236 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    That guy was way over the top and just speaking in generalities. I wouldn't take anything that he says seriously. He was taught at some point in his life, be and sound assertive, and you will go places. The girl made some good points. The secret to achieving genius is to focus on a problem literally 24/7 and your brain in the background makes all the connections it needs to solve the problem at hand. Your reticular activator is activated and the thoughts just come to you spontaneously at moments you least expect them, and they are usually, but not always, right on the money. Our brains have a really powerful background processor we also know as our subconscious and it takes care of this background processing.

  • @yoursubconscious
    @yoursubconscious 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    - complementing another comment -
    school: "No sharing answers during a test"
    work: "Make sure you work as a team to accomplish more during this test of our business"
    This is the start of failure and confusion within people.

  • @TheRealInky
    @TheRealInky 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Genius is a word with an elusive definition, just like intelligence. What does it mean to be intelligent? Is someone who is terrible at math but a musical prodigy not in some sense a genius? Is someone who can't carry a tune but intuitively soaks up and understands complex mathematics not in some sense intelligent?
    Try as we might, we still can't really nail a working definition, and we've been trying for literally thousands of years. These are matters that have always been, and still are, hotly debated.
    How do you quantify either? An IQ test? Maybe... But it's my opinion that any test we come up with will only manage to quantify a tiny subset of what "intelligence" must *really* be.
    That's why this video is kind of pointless. It's just a bunch of people telling you their subjective opinions on genius, just like I just shared mine. A little interesting, I guess, but the implied "authority" of the speakers is a really misleading presentation, and that's something that irks me, and something this channel has a real habit of doing. It's pretentious.

    • @GabrielCarvv
      @GabrielCarvv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I noticed that too, stopped watching. Like you said, a bunch of people relaying their perspectives and breaking "myths". Some value to it, but ultimately a bit pointless. Great observations, thanks for sharing!

    • @smyatt1
      @smyatt1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ericsson did a whole load of research that calls for redefinement/debunking of the concepts of genius and talent; he's worth looking into.

    • @keabetswemolelekeng8357
      @keabetswemolelekeng8357 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      100% agree, but be that as it may, it's still a tool to (if you overthink like I do) think about what you think about things. It can encourage you to form your own opinion on whatever topic they think relevant, which has its purpose.

  • @FutureMindset
    @FutureMindset 3 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    Everyone's got their own strengths. No one person can expect to be good at everything.

    • @GovnaBuckingham
      @GovnaBuckingham 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      besides arnold schwarzenegger

    • @Hashslingingslasher-
      @Hashslingingslasher- 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      True. But pretending there isn't one person better at everything than you is delusional

    • @Vyrall-nk2xd
      @Vyrall-nk2xd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Uhhhhh BATMAN ??

    • @adityashukla2635
      @adityashukla2635 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Leonardo Da Vinci : laughing

    • @petersulliivan8190
      @petersulliivan8190 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You’re oversimplifying the matter in a trite and clichéd way

  • @yvonnepeters1914
    @yvonnepeters1914 3 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    Buckminster Fuller said "we are all born geniuses, but life De-geniuses us."

    • @The1stHomosapien
      @The1stHomosapien 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      No, its genetic, and or the cells respond to the environment.

    • @chess1011
      @chess1011 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@The1stHomosapien I was going to say nearly the same thing but you already said it in response 😂

    • @The1stHomosapien
      @The1stHomosapien 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@chess1011 allah akbar my fren

    • @Supraa.
      @Supraa. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Another way to say poverty makes people idiots

    • @yvonnepeters1914
      @yvonnepeters1914 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Supraa. No, life in general or having a sense of seperateness from God.

  • @alanroberts7916
    @alanroberts7916 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My father worked for a manufacturing company in Chicago and decided to move out west several years before he would have retired. Without much of a business plan he had a few 💡 ideas but mainly he had a certain quality I'll just call courage. He was not shy. He went to the industrial plants in town and offered to tune up the efficiency of the machines that he made in Chicago.
    One company heard that dad was in town and agreed to meet with him to discuss a money making idea he called "sortation".
    We agreed to build the machines and they agreed to sell them... BUT when it came time to recieve the patent a problem came up with our patent attorney who said that rarely, if ever, do patents go to more than one person. The issue was resolved when they failed to sell enough machines. But we DID live up to our end by building a sufficient number of machines. We managed to stay in business for close to 40 years making these sorting and counting conveyor systems when technology and changes in the linen supply buisness caught up with us. I wonder if anyone else has had any similar experiences with patents?

  • @druggy1868
    @druggy1868 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Only the one that understands the process that led to the discovery will not be surprised by it's ingenuity. We only call one a genius because we haven't gone through the process of understanding ourselves

    • @yourmorningsht8538
      @yourmorningsht8538 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I really enjoy your method of writing, I find that it is very good at using one being a word that can be used in an unconventional method.

    • @bhavana5472
      @bhavana5472 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow :o

  • @romanbrandle319
    @romanbrandle319 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I've noticed that in the musician situation in a band , that even when I did the majority of the composing I still needed and wanted the input of the others to make the music better . Inspired creative think works best when we feed of others and the excitement it brings pushes to new heights and it makes it fun .

  • @rijubhatt8366
    @rijubhatt8366 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Keeping an open mind is important for the formation of new ideas.

  • @QuickThink688
    @QuickThink688 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Could you speak about what collaborators worked with Leonardo Di Vinci and Copernicus?

    • @altonkatz2041
      @altonkatz2041 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Ur mom

    • @alienistz5455
      @alienistz5455 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@altonkatz2041 chill

    • @Mousedragger
      @Mousedragger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@alienistz5455 probably your mom as well

    • @yahiawaleed828
      @yahiawaleed828 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      They are an exteme rarity.... The obvious cost of this is being extremely alien to people... They were the type that would get cooped up somewhere with long periods of hyperfocus but I guess some had quite a bit of interactions that we do not know of but Leonardo da Vinci had interactions with people like Michelangelo

    • @amanrana3299
      @amanrana3299 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@yahiawaleed828 true

  • @Siddhartha02
    @Siddhartha02 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    What team did Newton collaborate with when he invented calculus and classical mechanics? Sure he did stand on the shoulder of giants, but that does not take away from the fact that his own genius and contributions happened in isolation hiding away from a plague that was raging around 1665.

    • @MrRizeAG
      @MrRizeAG 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You answered your own question, my dude.

    • @hendrikstrauss3717
      @hendrikstrauss3717 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrRizeAG Has he tho?

    • @Siddhartha02
      @Siddhartha02 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      When I say he stood on the shoulders of giants I mean that obviously he didn't invent all of the mathematics that calculus was built on top of. But what I'm saying is that the part that he personally created was not done together with a team in the way that Thomas Edison or Steve Jobs depended on working with other people. If you want to focus and think deeply and in novel ways about a subject isolating yourself from other people for some time can be helpful.

    • @Siddhartha02
      @Siddhartha02 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@Dimitris_Balf You just repeated the first part of what i said back to me and then ignored my entire argument. Read and try to understand the whole argument before you adress it.

    • @Siddhartha02
      @Siddhartha02 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Dimitris_Balf Why must it be so black or white, is it so hard to accept that genius can both encompass learning from what others have made and an individual creative contribution which to a large part can happen in isolation.

  • @BayleyConkin
    @BayleyConkin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Issac Newton. Enough said

  • @subbuktek
    @subbuktek 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    btw the sane scientist starts at 8:26

  • @CHGLongStone
    @CHGLongStone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Conflating sales and genius is about as misdirected as you can get 😅

    • @fwd79
      @fwd79 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Steve Jobs would disagree,being the biggest salesman there ever was.

    • @CHGLongStone
      @CHGLongStone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@fwd79 exactly. Salesman not engineer. It takes a particular kind of moron to try and patent rounded corners.

    • @TJ-kk5zf
      @TJ-kk5zf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Emily Dickinson, Edgar Allen Poe, Vincent Van Gogh

  • @PolicyThwonk
    @PolicyThwonk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    "More than cleverness, we need kindness" - Charlie Chaplin

    • @THE-X-Force
      @THE-X-Force 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I'm sorry, but I don't want to be an emperor.
      That's not my business.
      I don't want to rule or conquer anyone.
      I should like to help everyone, if possible.
      Jew - Gentile - Black Man, White.
      We all want to help one another, human beings are like that.
      We want to live by each other's happiness.
      Not by each other's misery.
      We don't want to hate and despise one another.
      And this world has room for everyone, and the good Earth is rich and can provide for everyone.
      The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way.
      Greed has poisoned men's souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed.
      We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in.
      Machinery that gives us abundance has left us in want.
      Our knowledge has made us cynical.
      Our cleverness, hard and unkind.
      We think too much, and feel too little.
      More than machinery, we need humanity.
      More that cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness.
      Without these qualities life will be violent, and all will be lost.
      The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together.
      The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men
      ..
      cries out for universal brotherhood
      ..
      for the unity of us all.
      Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world.
      Millions of despairing men, women, and little children
      Victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people.
      To those who can hear me, I say - do not despair.
      The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed
      The bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress.
      The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people.
      And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.
      *Soldiers!*
      Don't give yourselves to brutes!
      men who despise you,
      enslave you.
      Who regiment your lives,
      tell you what to do,
      what to think and what to feel!
      Who drill you,
      diet you,
      treat you like cattle,
      use you as cannon fodder!
      Don't give yourselves to these unnatural men!
      Machine men with machine minds and machine hearts!
      You are not machines!
      You are not cattle!
      *You are men!*
      You have the love of humanity in your hearts!
      You don't hate!
      Only the unloved hate - the unloved and the unnatural!
      *Soldiers!*
      Don't fight for slavery!
      Fight for liberty!
      In the 17th Chapter of St Luke it is written:
      _"the Kingdom of God is within man"_
      Not one man nor a group of men, but in all men!
      *In you!*
      You, the people have the power!
      The power to create machines.
      The power to create happiness!
      You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful!
      To make this life a wonderful adventure.
      Then - in the name of Democracy - let us use that power - let us all unite!
      Let us fight for a new world - a decent world that will give men a chance to work.
      That will give youth a future and old age a security.
      By the _promise_ of these things, brutes have risen to power.
      But they lie!
      They do not fulfill that promise.
      *_They never will!_*
      Dictators free themselves but they enslave the people!
      Now let us fight to fulfill that promise!
      Let us fight to free the world.
      To do away with national barriers.
      To do away with greed, with hate and intolerance.
      Let us fight for a world of reason.
      A world where science and progress will lead to all men's happiness.
      *Soldiers!*
      In the name of Democracy, let us all *unite!!*

    • @daduhd9304
      @daduhd9304 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      But cleverness is different and bad

    • @ID30394
      @ID30394 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@THE-X-Force Human nature is complicated.

    • @ID30394
      @ID30394 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@daduhd9304 ???

    • @daduhd9304
      @daduhd9304 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ID30394 like smartness is what he's trying to degrade (?) by using the word cleverness instead?

  • @tylercooper1551
    @tylercooper1551 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The survival of our species, from our beginning, relied upon each and every individual in the community playing their part in some way. Yeah we individually can survive on our own, but that doesn't further along the evolution of the species. Together, we are an entity that can do great things

  • @CyanCooper
    @CyanCooper 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Most people don’t have a team available to pull themselves out of poverty, they have to rely on their individual talents to make it happen. Sure, big projects like the iPhone or space travel aren’t going to be accomplished by a single individual, but that isn’t revelatory, interesting, or applicable to most people.

    • @danurkresnamurti3598
      @danurkresnamurti3598 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      wow. amazing opinion. i am agree with you

    • @BrianJones-wk8cx
      @BrianJones-wk8cx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I don’t disagree with the more pragmatic intuition of your response, however I think the evolution of higher ideals and understanding may always be distanced from the immediate, pragmatic day-to-day plights of normal individuals. That is to say-I’m not sure that clicking on what could be deemed (for better and for worse) naval gazing should yield the immediate expectation for keys to unlocking a viable strategy for social mobility. Just as most of us do not have access to such teams as described in the video, most of us also could not be considered genius. What is iterative and perhaps revelatory is challenging the commonly held myth that somehow these individuals are gods unto themselves. While this may not seem like much of a victory so far as the plight of the common man without access to teams of elevated medial prefrontal cortexes, it might help demystify creativity and genius a bit, inspiring the abandonment of antiquated and potentially destructive isolated ideals of genius and accomplishment. It might encourage us to work and think more collaboratively, reminding us that the truth of individual genius and capacity is only realized when combined with others. In an era arguably short on collaboration, cooperation, and diligence in personal reflection and recognition of patterns, there may be insights yet to be gleaned from such an otherwise perceptibly inapplicable reflection on loftier concepts.

    • @vivekramachandran2390
      @vivekramachandran2390 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@BrianJones-wk8cx yours is an interesting comment

  • @prkzoomin6994
    @prkzoomin6994 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    A Good Quote, The things you are passionate about are not random, they are your calling.

    • @sKid-yn4no
      @sKid-yn4no 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Damn idk why but this hit me hard love u man

    • @117Industries
      @117Industries 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sKid-yn4no Awww haha. This is the most amazing YT comment ever. I love you both.

    • @kear
      @kear 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Warming quote, and true. Thanks

    • @jaffrayburk1
      @jaffrayburk1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      My question after thinking about this for years: What if our passion is something we don't know of?

    • @117Industries
      @117Industries 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jaffrayburk1 Then keep experiment until the passion is something you know of. When you find it, you will know. :)

  • @subbuktek
    @subbuktek 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    "Lot of people have debunked Einstein. Specifically in terms of Inventions,..Henry Ford".......ok....I am not sure he knows what he is talking about..

    • @tanitoluwaj.adedotun4960
      @tanitoluwaj.adedotun4960 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Ruined a whole 14-minute video at the very start. It was bound to happen eventually, the premise of the video was flawed from the very start. First Bigthink video to heavily tank IMO.

    • @davidabdollahi7906
      @davidabdollahi7906 ปีที่แล้ว

      And what is wrong with what is said in the video?

  • @archangecamilien1879
    @archangecamilien1879 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I don't know, haha...I think this notion that there is no such thing as a lone genius is the myth, something we tell ourselves for motivation, haha...sometimes works of genius come out of collaboration (perhaps most of the time), but sometimes it comes from someone working alone...did Andrew Wiles collaborate during those years of work on Fermat's Last Theorem? (now, haha, I know he made a mistake which was corrected by one of his graduate students or something...but he pretty much worked all those years like a hermit)...ok, maybe all ideas do, to some extent, come from elsewhere, from others, one "stands on the shoulders of giants (Newton was often working alone, another example, many scientists from the olden days were more isolated than they are today), but still...was Ramanujan collaborating with people in India, other than showing people his work, before the whole Hardy thing?...This is wishful thinking...

  • @fedecarbone7657
    @fedecarbone7657 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is great!!! Thank you 🙏

  • @brunolopes7311
    @brunolopes7311 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    how do you explain the children that are born with a high IQ and go to the university at the age of 8 ??? it seams that this people are destroying the idea of genius people, so the rest of the world can feel better if they are not one of them.....

    • @matttondr9282
      @matttondr9282 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They’re using the word genius more as a person who’s invented/accomplished something extraordinary, not as a measure of their intelligence.

  • @AnyaSheven
    @AnyaSheven 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    good points! thanks

  • @stevenjbeto
    @stevenjbeto 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Creative people stand on the shoulders of giants, and it's giants all the way down.

    • @elinope4745
      @elinope4745 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And if they do well, they become a giant themselves. In that way they become immortal, living on through the memories of others.

    • @jrtaylor1275
      @jrtaylor1275 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nope, that’s malignant egalitarianism

  • @davelowinger7056
    @davelowinger7056 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    it's all in who you ride with. appreciating people that are good at what they do. Road, single track, dirt, river crossings and getting stuck.

  • @znull3356
    @znull3356 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    "In sales--" Aaaaand that's where we stop. There are no geniuses in sales, that much we can certainly agree on.

    • @johnnystob4037
      @johnnystob4037 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If that were the case then Apple wouldn’t have any money

    • @znull3356
      @znull3356 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnnystob4037 Sales != Marketing

  • @PulpHouseHorror
    @PulpHouseHorror 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your talkers, great video!

    • @reiza1139
      @reiza1139 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Big Think fake

  • @lumbratile4174
    @lumbratile4174 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would be good if the studies and research were linked...

  • @seemadamana4884
    @seemadamana4884 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing 👏🏻👏🏻

  • @bjalways2520
    @bjalways2520 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lone Inventor meaning he’s the mind. The end product sure need a team but the thinking process, the generation of the idea sure does come from a sole genius mind.

  • @theegreatestever2420
    @theegreatestever2420 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn I am loving this channel and the thinking of those featured here

  • @nisarabro5585
    @nisarabro5585 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am giving here 2 Examples of the Great Scientists who were the Real Geniuses . One is Galileo Galilei and the other is Sir Isaac Newton. Were there Inventions a result of a Team or a Previous Background Support. As far as my information is concerned, their Inventions were Independent of any External Support and also was not Based on any of the Opportunity as being referred to . If I am wrong, I may kindly be corrected please. Thanks

  • @amroali8977
    @amroali8977 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice episode

  • @ElusiveCube
    @ElusiveCube 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    There were many geniuses WORKING ALONE, sure establishing they skills ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS, Genius is a obsessives thinker, usually a loaner, this video is more long the lines of a CORPORATE SUCCESS OF A COLABORATIVE effort .

  • @CodClip.bzr56
    @CodClip.bzr56 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beautiful

  • @ConnoisseurOfExistence
    @ConnoisseurOfExistence 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Well, people definitely differ by their abilities, both physical and mental as well. It can be measured with formal test (as pattern recognition, or IQ), but also can be roughly assessed by simple talk. I've met many different people in my life and normally after just few minutes of talk you can clearly determine the scope of someone's abilities and education. And I'm not saying that education makes you necessarily smart, but a clever and curious person just browse, search and finds out information on their own (especially nowadays).

    • @miakiceh
      @miakiceh ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Nikolay Tonev *..I can tell, by talking to them" (quote)
      I've met people with speech impediments that were so self conscientious of it they didn't practice communication.
      They spent their time alone- developing ideas...
      If a person could be trained to exhibit the highest IQ... I wouldn't consider that genius. That's just an above average ability to recall facts, details...
      A genius is being able to take concepts of details, facts and theory and fit them together in such a way that it feels like child's play.
      The combination of abstract patterns and fractions of ideas take shape to form complete projects, so effortlessly that one can't believe that it's not already on the market.
      Genius is not taught, it's manifested and exposed.

  • @user-ox3qw9vs6t
    @user-ox3qw9vs6t 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    the problem is people telling their kids they are special.... look around you how many humans you see and tell me how special are you?

  • @senshai1267
    @senshai1267 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Genius is einstein's Imagination and how well he understood his imagination .

    • @sch4891
      @sch4891 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      i can't remember the source but i remember learning that einstein's creativity came from a bunch of sci fi writers of his time. i suspect that they were on a lot of drugs. i wish that this video had covered the role that psychedelics have played on our creativity and innovation

  • @harishrathee5863
    @harishrathee5863 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There is no such thing as a lone inventor
    Nikola Tesla: hold my Tesla coil.. bruhh

  • @wildwest1832
    @wildwest1832 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Today, its pretty hard to do alone I agree. But I think in different eras of the past it was easier just due to progression it gets harder and harder.

  • @mpcc2022
    @mpcc2022 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Newton was a lone genius, Boltzmann was a lone genius; lone genius is rare and narrowly applicable to domains such as mathematics, novel writing, physics, and programming, though the majority of individuals in these fields collaborate. The issue is people don't think nuanced enough to get the picture of creativity, because creativity is domain specific, but even this guy is talking about creativity synonymous with genius and creativity unilaterally or universally.

    • @mpcc2022
      @mpcc2022 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Adruhza _ I agree, everyone learns from others but not everyone works solitarily to bring about a new perspective or way of seeing in doing something. It's the individual effort that makes for the seminal contribution that makes for lone genius.

  • @luisfelipe7351
    @luisfelipe7351 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I believe in eureka,in geniuses,but i also believe in smartness and exploitation...many geniuses have never been recognized

  • @MaximTendu
    @MaximTendu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    there are two kinds of people in the world: geniuses, and those who claim to be one. I am a genius.

  • @benzell4
    @benzell4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Pixar was in development for years, then they hooked up with Disney, then Toy Story, etc. I am pretty sure Disney knew what they had bought into. This is the type of anecdotal that is meant to get one on the side of the story teller. Also, to my knowledge, Disney never reneged on any of those deals…
    Dang, I should have waited until the end to comment! Yankee!😷

  • @steelcasegenericrun6935
    @steelcasegenericrun6935 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    True, but all depends who collect the data and whoever collect the data how is used and shared.

  • @coldbattery
    @coldbattery 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    this depressing at first sight, then inspiring in the end

  • @ohfreud3981
    @ohfreud3981 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    creativity is when you invent an entire category... like eistein discovered an entire field of math. This guy is an average guy that got salty that he wasn't special.

  • @rajatdas5500
    @rajatdas5500 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you look at history, the majority of the innovative ideas came from individuals. It's the group of people that turn it into reality. You can have innovative ideas about something, but you need resources, funding, and teams to make it happen.

    • @eliaslopez-tb2hi
      @eliaslopez-tb2hi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Indeed you need vision and money

  • @christophermeyers1
    @christophermeyers1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing.

  • @grandolph9281
    @grandolph9281 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sales and marketing… skeptical already

  • @truthseeker7041
    @truthseeker7041 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think Newton was genius
    James clerk maxwell too
    Einstein too...so many others.
    Ok ok they built on previous scientists but they added a lot.

  • @bongothecat3233
    @bongothecat3233 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It would be more convincing if the dude talking in the beginning actually has scientific training and understand how impressive it is to come up with general relativity or developing a method to sequence proteins and DNA...

  • @BenRush
    @BenRush ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is the kind of crap passed around sales groups to get everyone to team up and synergize.

  • @Pharockgod
    @Pharockgod 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i'm going to borrow this...

  • @TheClubPlazma
    @TheClubPlazma 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the Lady 12 : 32 Such a positive personality

  • @charlespackwood2055
    @charlespackwood2055 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've had eureka moments. But I have no idea how that relates to what is going on simultaneously in everyone else's minds.
    But the moment you have a eureka moment, you know that anyone who says you cannot have a eureka moment is the guy that never has had a eureka moment, and therefore needs to suck off other people's stuff or be in a group that can make a whole out of a puzzle.

  • @mantudas291
    @mantudas291 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    SOLITUDE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR CREATIVITY Read autobiography of Einstein Tesla Grothendick etc

  • @mihirb9700
    @mihirb9700 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A human and his ideas, etc., exist due to other humans
    it's just the difference in ingredients that make a dish. those ingredients may be your biology, resources, society you live in, etc.
    having such thinking just helps reduce jealousy/competition and promote learning attitude and cooperation/collaboration
    working deeply as a human and not as 'firstname lastname' which is just for superficial convenience

  • @ftffighter
    @ftffighter ปีที่แล้ว

    Yea, tbh there is a big problem too now where lots of gifted youth are being swept up by addiction because 1# Society shuns them and so they become anti-social 2# Economic and in some cases, socioeconomic reasons are now causing more pathways in life to have more "Risk" to be involved and the "Reward" is not worth it. 3# Parents that don't care(The lack of a certain but unconditional love is key here) and 4# The biggest and most hidden killer, medical conditions. More specifically, TBI's and Thyroid conditions that are misdiagnosed as "ADHD" and "Bi-Polar". I have been able to connect dots ever since I was a kid in a way that hardly anyone but those who could sit down with me and talk to me could understood growing up, although I wasn't autistic. I was just so socially inept. That being said, I've went through multiple TBI's, all in my frontal cortex after 3 different accidents(I got really lucky) and a decade of addiction to opioids. I'm clean now and have been trying to help other addicts change their lives. I have been clean for almost 2 years but I am probably going to die soon because I am poor, am no longer able to afford getting back and forth to my doctors and MAT/IOPtreatment, and am waiting on SSDI even though I am 29 years old because of my TBI's. I have more than a million dollars in medical bills in the past, I am still dealing with tons of issues. Despite all of this I am still able to do the weird dot connecting although other parts of my body aren't in the best of shape and so I continue. If someone wants to know the answers to addiction, the true state of what's happening on the streets, and everything else that needs to be known so that this doesn't happen to another person. I fell through the cracks, fought it all and once I won and got the job shadow I had been fighting my life towards, I decided to screw my life up because I was tired of fighting to be poor and wanted to be a heroin addict(Legit, 100% WANTED to be the best heroin addict I could be. Turns out I had a thyroid issue.), got TBI's, got clean, and now... I guess I keep fighting. Idk why I wrote this, I had to vent I guess so here are my ramblings internet. Have it at it, be free lol.

  • @angelg.s.1053
    @angelg.s.1053 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’ve been saying it since I was a genius (before the age of two).

  • @ctcsys
    @ctcsys 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pretty much as Craig Wright puzzled together Bitcoin

  • @jrtaylor1275
    @jrtaylor1275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great to see the conversation moving away from insidious hyper individualism which has contributed to disintegration the social fabric of the west and created an anti intellectual movement so the actual intellectuals were torn down. The education system mixed intellect up with memory and created a resentment and plethora of disturbance in the population which contributed to malignant tolerance, narcissism, truthiness and egalitarianism.

  • @TheN0odles
    @TheN0odles 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thomas Edison downvoted twice.

  • @StudyWaliClass
    @StudyWaliClass 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    amazing ...............

    • @user-sn7yo3vm4d
      @user-sn7yo3vm4d 3 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @TurinTuram
    @TurinTuram 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I don't get the point. If "Billy" got a genius idea and need 100 persons to execute 100 specific little tasks he pre-determined himselft to build the idea. The bunch of 100 peoples are considered now geniuses? yeah, yeah...

  • @charliepadilla2588
    @charliepadilla2588 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Everyone has there strengths and weaknesses. It's just how we deal with them.

  • @phoenix-wc5vx
    @phoenix-wc5vx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Since we are infinite reflections of one being, then what is a genius? When everyone sees from different angles, some people's awareness and imagination are more expanded...

  • @tebonete
    @tebonete 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Wish he spoke about Einstein an tesla instead of the obvious brands in jobs an Edison

    • @nytehawx
      @nytehawx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed because Elon Musk is not a genius or a god, just an asshole with a lot of money and luck.

  • @vast634
    @vast634 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Catering to freeriders in a team.

  • @nbrown5907
    @nbrown5907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Some times discoveries are made on opposite sides of the planet with neither having a clue about the other. That lends itself more to the ethereal sheet surrounding everything type of vision. Some people do absolutely see things others cannot even comprehend I am witness to this all of the time. Maybe not genius maybe more receptive.

  • @ofirbenattar9508
    @ofirbenattar9508 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ideas come from highly creative mind (AKA “geniuses”) execution come from team effort. Yes, the idea and the execution can come from a single person but in The modern world where highly skilled people are abundant why would you want to work alone?

  • @ET_LWO
    @ET_LWO 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would love to see an article somewhere about how a purely genius populous loses.

    • @ET_LWO
      @ET_LWO 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What are the worst positions to put geniuses in?

  • @ebusdk
    @ebusdk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video.. but... I don't know if it was lost in the edit, but Heather really didn't answer any of the questions asked by the host. She more or less "answered the question she wish he had asked" instead - like a politician.

  • @mohammedfairoz
    @mohammedfairoz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hard work 🤞🤞

  • @SmiteTVnet
    @SmiteTVnet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video is dissempowering.
    I think history makes it easy for us to forget the taxes and benefits of solitude in an era of mass surveillance. Of course Edison wasn't a genius, but was Tesla.
    Always be cautious of propaganda.

  • @horrorhabit8421
    @horrorhabit8421 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the whole thing might have started with Lord Byron. The Byronic hero seems to be the prototype genius myth.

  • @tone3560
    @tone3560 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    One societal problem giving to 3 people. 3 intellects they have are an average person, moderately gifted person and a genius. The average will find a few solutions for the problem, the moderately gifted will include the average persons solution and a few more. The genius will list all solutions they came up with a few the other two couldn't even fathom to see.

  • @ignite1526
    @ignite1526 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A new idea comes from an individual, not from a group.

  • @cesardejeronimo8184
    @cesardejeronimo8184 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have to humbly disagree that geniuses occur in teamwork. There definitely are geniuses, but they are FEW in our lifetimes. A few examples Isaac newton, Albert Einstein, and Claude Shannon. I think this philosophy only applies to the corporate world.

  • @AnimeshSharma1977
    @AnimeshSharma1977 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What does your research say about people like Ramanujan?

    • @rome8726
      @rome8726 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would love to hear that too🤣😂

    • @vimalcurio
      @vimalcurio 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Discoverer like einstein

    • @angelisha6887
      @angelisha6887 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why do you guys seek for attention

  • @dreadone6894
    @dreadone6894 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:03 laughs in Pinocho

  • @Tahycoon
    @Tahycoon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if people are now saying we are all geniuses and the same, to encourage themselves?
    I think geniuses are both born and made. Einstein is a born genius. Newton is made genius. Da Vinci is a mix of born and made geniuses. So, it's a myth that we are all the same, we made that myth to feel good and have courage. And it's also a myth that they are different and unapproachable, and we made that myth to magnifie them.

  • @mutually_assured_destruction_
    @mutually_assured_destruction_ ปีที่แล้ว

    11:16 David Lynch transcendental meditation.

  • @patrickvaugn897
    @patrickvaugn897 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've invented items alone .. I debunk you...

  • @sampjm1898
    @sampjm1898 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It is like say every world you write is from a dictionary , so there is no "genius writer",every note you wrote is already exist, so there is no "genius musician" ,or because our brian has plasticity ,so everyone can have a "same" brian(the "genius" brian). that logic is ridiculous

  • @immortalsk8241
    @immortalsk8241 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What about Tony stark

  • @matbmp8996
    @matbmp8996 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So this is a click bait, almost no information about genius.

  • @memarks
    @memarks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'll be honest. I do believe that most of the observations made here are valid. However I still have this sadly nagging feeling they're trying to diminish, in a dangerous way, the achievements of the individuals mentioned. It begins to sound as if anyone could do it if you tap the right part of the brain. I know about Steve Jobs. But then again I never regarded him as a genius inventor, just a producer. Einstein on the other hand.... no amount of debunking of parts of what he positted will bring him an inch closer to my level of ineptitide, however grand my general love of truth and coherence. For Christ's sake, if mankind needed to find an illusive solution to save itself from an impending catastophic calamity, don't come to me. I'd feel more comfortable if you pick a genius, then ask him if he needs help, thank you.

    • @rome8726
      @rome8726 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, it's not just a feeling. That's exactly what he is doing.

  • @abemoyo7064
    @abemoyo7064 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Well what can you say about Leonardo da Vinci seems he was a lone inventor although, by all means he could’ve been made up all together

    • @jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104
      @jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Much of his technology doesn't work or work well.

    • @standowner6979
      @standowner6979 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104 That's not the point of Leonardo DaVinci.
      He thought of things and made prototypes that others didn't do. So, he was all for *innovation*, that is what separates him from many other people from the Renaissance

  • @ET_LWO
    @ET_LWO 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pattern convergence/recognition

  • @samanthaps4940
    @samanthaps4940 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please create Spanish sub titles or place Spanish voice translation

  • @autisticmystic8540
    @autisticmystic8540 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol Toy Story was heavily inspired by Jim Henson’s The Christmas Toy.

  • @fotina45
    @fotina45 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How about Newton..?

  • @manaslifeadvice2957
    @manaslifeadvice2957 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why .. Why is he talking about sales when it's supposed to be about genius? Did Von Neumann fundamentally do a team sport kind of thing ?

    • @manaslifeadvice2957
      @manaslifeadvice2957 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Big Think profitable and smart? Yes. Monopoly on genius definition and how they/ it functions? No

  • @mystery15
    @mystery15 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Watching from bandipora kashmir

  • @xandercorp6175
    @xandercorp6175 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:05 "We've never historically had a toy have any narrative for us to draw on."
    Pretty sure the Little Tin Soldier trope is more than 180 years old. What did he mean by this, exactly? Obviously there's something I'm not understanding.

    • @davidabdollahi7906
      @davidabdollahi7906 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well it was a stretch. Whenever u hear words like "never" and/or "always" u better not to consider it as a fact.