Oliver Stone and Tariq Ali: On History | 1-19-2012 | LIVE from the NYPL
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- LIVE from the NYPL | Recorded live at the New York Public Library, Celeste Bartos Forum, on January 19, 2012.
Pakistani writer and filmmaker TARIQ ALI and film director OLIVER STONE will continue their ongoing discourse about "forgotten--or deliberately buried--episodes" from American history from the US intervention against the Russian Revolution to the ongoing interference of the United States in Pakistani political affairs. In their recent public dialogue, On History, Oliver Stone asks, according to Jon Wiener, "smart questions about the rise and fall of the United States and its empire in the 20th century." In this conversation, the tables are turned as we ask Tariq Ali to kick off with some questions for Oliver Stone, leading into a conversation between them on politics, film, and the untold history of the nation.
These two guys are the business could listen to them all day they really know their stuff longmire keep doing what they're doing❤😅😊
I had a 22 year old boy say to me and I quote" what was the Cuban missile crisis"? and then said didn't the war in Vietnam only last like 2 years ,I do not know what history teachers curriculum is today but it appears to be failing Its sad because if the youth of today spends all their time on tik tok and and geting only information from smartphones and not from the men and women who survived the war and the times then are youth and all of us are doomed to make the same mistakes the cost will be to high. I am greatful to this channel for broadcasting this content and opening the door for historical discussion and thanks to Oliver stone for always having guts and educating himself with both sides and views like he does on all of his projects. you can tell and see his work in film and project choices come from his heart for the record I am not trying to speak bad about America's youth because it can not be all thier fault but the youth of today must hear both sides of historical life changing event like Vietnam the Cuban missile crisis just my opion.
He was probably trolling you
This interview is as relevant (and depressing) in 2021 as it was in 2012.
Idem in 2024... What a remarkable artist and true intellectual, though!
Amazing man ..,,Telling the truth about History in Wars and American war machines ,,,! God Bless Oliver true Hero !
How & why has this vid only got 372 views & 5 likes?! Shocking. What a great discussion between these two
Agreed. Two legends both coming to the same conclusion from different sides of the spectrum. I really have to bookmark the NYPL website. It’s hosted so many great talks over the years and I live only a 15 minute subway ride away!
It’s actually one of the most stunning buildings in Manhattan with 2 gorgeous lion statues in the front. Across the street there’s also the main conventional library which is several stories high.
The reason: great majority of people want to remain blissfully ignorant
People don’t want to know about the past, they just want to see kittens 🐱 flying up in the air on their smartphones.
The librarians at the NYPL are probably just able to keep it on YT. ' Noticed they didn't touch on the 911 Omission Report.
they do that?
Oliver stone is the best movie Director and producer in Hollywood History. Have much respect for him.
NONSENSE! STANLEY KUBRICK, SAM PECKINPAW, ALFRED HITCHCOCK, immediately come to mind. but you can't argue with Crazy.well you can but's a Waste of time.
simply brilliant!!!! Tariq and Oliver - pairing them was an inspired idea!!
Enlightening
When the whole truth comes inside one's heart, a person having acquired such truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is ready to die just to defend, to preached and to live to the truth having learned. That's the beauty of "Oliver's Stone Movie...Its truth!🤗
How can this have less than 7000 views?
Not to be trusted....TH-cam is highly suspect!
@@xanbex8324 True. The american government is maintained totally or partially by Go-ogle and others.
I hope they have a follow up conversation Id love to konw what theyd think of the later American admininstrations
Amazing
43:15 Oliver, the reason government is bad because it is run by the corporate capitalist to serve them, not the public...We need to put democracy in the economy, that's something we don't have right now.
And Arizona Senator Krysten Sinema confirmed it April 2021, when asked about her vote on the PRO Act : "... as folks .. know. I make decisions on behalf of Arizona and for our constituents is by listening to the business leaders ..."
Oliver WELL understands this; far too few voting Americans do not (or they'd be up in arms about the Citizens United decision--instead of, say, storming our Capitol).
And never will
Stupid regurgitation of propaganda. Every civilised country has a strong government. Sometimes I wonder if the US is civilised at all
Love how he speaks of bush junior in a. Disdainful manner, and rightly so
Gov. W Bush?
His telievised funeral was a Real hoot! they compared this WAR CRIMINAL to mother teresa. head of CIA dirtbag that some say was in that infamous "grassey knoll"
“….The first casualty in War is the Truth…..”
Highest respect for that remarkable human being. 🙏🏻🙏🏽🙏
Everything the Man Oliver Stone does is Gold !, He’s the Best !
not the doors movie. gold as in PISS!
58:97.. Yes, Henry A Wallace was a "capitalist", but he was very much anti-monopolist. * He believed in well-regulated markets, without which would lead to high concentrations of wealth and power.
* He was a self-made successful business man. His "Hi-Bred Corn Company" became a multi-million dollar enterprise.
Churchill wouldn't have been able to put Wallace's dick in his back pocket and announce an Iron Curtain or endorse Barney Baruks Cold War.
Love Oliver Stone, a brother in “Christ” 🙏
A time of ascension, awakening of consciousness Peace on earth, goodwill towards our fellow beings❤ 🙏💝
Thank you Tariq Ali- brother 🙏
These 2 are heavies man … Tariq Ali I heard about in the 60s as a kid ….
Very interesting. Mr. Steinmetz thought provoking movies
I just realised, Stone made bout half of my top ten films, and much of the rest ;-)
The sad reality is that the weapons industry needs weapons tested and used. Only when this viscious cycle slows down and stops will we be able to deem ourselves humanitarian.
Does anyone know where the Clip 8 (Iran ) came from...? Thanks
This channel need's to be mandatory viewing so the views will go down on tik tok
Great conversation . Occupation has to be resisted as it is in Palestine but the govts will not always support what is evidently just.
4:22 "Survivors all charged with a sacred mission: to serve as witnesses and teachers of what they suffered, thereby preventing such catastrophes from occurring again."
On the economics side notice that we do not hear people on the Left or the Right advocating mandatory accounting/finance in the schools. Ask an American economists the annual depreciation of automobiles owned by consumers. Planned obsolescence is planned depreciation.
Platoon and uncut version of Natural Born Killers were very good films.
I never knew of any Vietnam War, but only about a US GENOCIDAL WAR bombing Indo-China and mass murdering innocent people.
KISSINGER WAR!
Seriously, how can any one seriously justify wars as an answer to economic growth ,the 2 should not be included in the same sentence .they have legalised wars ,they excuse gun control. How come China has a growing economy without war.they also have a free health system.
Even so called liberal talking heads say WWII brought U.S. out of The Depression, which isn't correct. Truman only managed to bring U.S. economy out of Depression in 1950 by allowing public to purchase items on time.
It's great that America has a long and honourable tradition of its President's having been drafted and experiencing combat at first hand...
Oliver Tarig🌈🌎🙏🏾🤔😤
The establishment ignores the truth.
How much physics was involved in the Kennedy assassination? How much mass? Even if you include the car it was less than 10 tons.
How much weight did the 105th level of the North Tower of the WTC have to support? What about the 5th level? How much steel was in each level of that 116 story building? There were 6 basement levels.
Try finding data on the steel and concrete on each level. Structural engineers in the nation that put men on the Moon cannot talk about that in public.
Have to get to the moon first.
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If you say so.
Cool that he references 28 Days Later.
1,2 question u screwed up
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It's time for Stone to stop citing his father's beliefs as a reason he can't update his own. Still, he's one of the great patriots. Capitalism is just another word for oligarchy..
Born the 4th of July is one of the best movies ever. Not to mention that gave Tom Cruise the opportunity to show how good an actor he could be.
they say opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. just a shame when they merge.
"America"?
I'd say...
THE FOURTH REICH!!!
Common military stuff and 'it' happens on both sides - good men go wrong. But doing 'it' on pretending 'it' (wild slaughter) as an error of judgement by the men there and prosecuting them. Evil?
Ron Paul is the real good guy…you can see glimpses of Oliver realizing this although he continues to want to make excuses for the disappointments of left wing Presidents.
The American failed wars and
I can't not watch Oliver Stone
What was the point of Oliver Stone being there if this guy is just going to talk and slurp and ask and answer his own questions?
Sad to hear how rightwing Oliver is. No wonder the country is so messed up
I admire him for expressing his opinions with mo remorse.
The funny thing is, right-wing, left wing, it doesn't matter. The lines blur especially over time. Labels are nothing, truth is everything, and oliver is about finding the truth.
@@TrippinWise Yes. Evil is evil coming from wherever it comes, Whether from left or right it is just evil for sure
I was actually surprised at how he has moved left. Different perspectives🤷🏼♀️
He just can't let go of the myths of American exceptionalism, despite all the evidence to the contrary. It's sad to watch.
What's the point in studying all that history if you can't bring yourself to confront what's right in front of your face?
Such BS.
As a Greek, I can tell you that we are so very tired of seeing the USA using all its power to stop my country from achieving its full potential and development. Greece and Cyprus are engaging with China in the global economy. It is fitting that two ancient civilizations collaborate to forge genuine friendship and cooperation for mutual advantages, setting a commendable example for humanity. No other small nation rivals Greece's impact on human advancement. China & Greece FIRST are Beautiful 💙🇬🇷
I remember when Trump visited Greece and lecture Greece and Cyprus about funs for US-NATO. Following the events involving Kissinger, US-NATO, the British, and Turkey in Cyprus, where invasions led to the loss of lives, homes, and land, we expressed to Trump that it was inappropriate to lecture on NATO when NATO and the US government had damaged Greece and Cyprus more than it had helped them. We held Trump accountable for these actions. I also recall how we told Trump how Americans in Hollywood portrayed orange ape and monkey characters in the movie "Planet of the Apes" very effectively. Everyone laughed at Trump. I don't think Trump will be visiting Greece ever again.
Trump thought he could fool and school the Greeks like he does with the American idiots.
I joined the military to defend humanity from the British and Americans.
What about the American Betrayal of Ngo Dinh Diem, President of Vietnam.
Did you know, that the Americans also got flogged in Korea and are too embarrassed to talk about the Korean War?
Mr. Stone in this video talks of London streets being cleared of people as W. Bush and wife Laura do a photo op out there. I was there a day or so before, with Ron Kovac (BORN ON THE 4TH OF JULY) leading the march against Bush's visit, during which Bush punked Tony Blair into getting British troops involved in the second war on Iraq.. It was a chilly November Thursday, a working day, yet 150,000 of us were in the march, and we were cheered on by school children, construction workers, shoppers, residents from central London to Trafalgar Square. I have published a feature article about this day. If you want it, please contact me. Dale Reynolds writdale@gmail.com