This is awesome. I always tell people that age 3 is the best time to start. It’s sad that instead of supporting their kids, some parents try to live through them.
I am classically trained on guitar from the age of eleven or so. In my early teens I also listened to popular music of the Fifties on essentially as ear training deciphering chord changes. My regrets include not learning first to play classical piano for the elegance of the keyboard and voice leading. I now play piano and love the medium. I do "audiate" music from the age of sixteen or so. The result of genetics, practice, choir training and playing popular music of the day as well as jazz. Audiation as I experience it means a near perfect acquired pitch and the ability essentially to hear a bar or two of music and be able to replicate it by ear on piano or guitar or other instrument. Over the years I have realized the value of "playing with intention" as Chick Corea termed it.
Really enjoyed listening to this clip. What I. always find a little frustrating is lack of in-depth detail e.g. 'send them home with listening activities'. What listening skills? What specific assignments etc? What function skill etc?
We absolutely have this outlined very specifically - a weekly listening list and skills that we teach in a specific sequence. That’s the whole reason we use Music Learning Theory, so we know what to teach and assign and when
Many people are overwhelmed by the amount of information when they start studying MLT but my best advice is do one thing and maybe introduce a single new concept a week or month, to give yourself the time and space to
You don't learn the word "cat" before you see a cat. We don't give names to things we don't know about. Why should you learn the symbols for a sound before you know that sound?
I love this approach… so basically instruction is generally too cerebral and far less joyful and expressive as a result which means motivation tanks early in the performance arts. Purpose first. And no. Many children don’t want to please adults. That is not the purpose of beautiful music is it? Really. Don’t call it informal. Teachers are not necessarily more or less formal. It is not like teachers are form giving when they mentalize the arts. Perform or think. Those are not at all the same. It is like the goal of teaching is to imitate the teacher? Or is it to learn music … or any art form for that matter?
“Informal” means we are not expecting particular responses from the student, in other words, we don’t expect students to provide the correct answer. It’s a very important period and it’s actually always part of learning, even when students enter so called “formal” instruction.
I know some purist is going to lay into me about this idea, but honestly, with the availability of recording devices that we have in modern times, what even is the point of mastering writing and reading musical notation? Back a certain number of decades ago, and before that, it was not really possible or practical to record so the composer was forced to notate the music if they wanted the musicians to be able to execute it. Seems to me that it would be far simpler and faster for the composer simply to play each part and record it. any instrument can be replicated on a keyboard these days. It’s not like it’s any harder to learn a piece from an audio recording than it is from paper with notation written on it. OK OK, maybe there are some rare circumstances where someone is called to perform a piece that they’re not familiar with at all and they are such an incredible site reader that they’re able to just sit down and read the whole thing and play it out perfectly. I think that situation is so incredibly rare that it’s outside the realm of practicality. And even if that situation were called for, how many people in the world are actually that good that they can instantly transpose a complex piece of music with no rehearsal? I’d say that the thousands and thousands of hours that it took for that person to develop that level of reading skill could’ve been better spent on writing and creating their own material. I really think we’re dealing with a practice that has been antiquated for all practical purposes. Yeah some guys will want to notate some cord charts just to jog the memory after they’ve rehearsed the piece a few times. I bet that many of the great classical composers improvised much of their material, and if they were called upon to play at parties and such probably played them differently each time. But they had to write them down, so other musicians had something to play and could coordinate. Even for large symphonies, it would be easy enough to just provide the audio tracks to the musicians. Well, perhaps the composer plays keyboards and he doesn’t play violin and of course the violin parts have a lot of nuance that for some reason, he just can’t represent using modern technology? Maybe I’m delusional. I’m sure there are at least some people out there. Who still put the time to learn how to fix horse drawn carriage wheels too.
This is awesome. I always tell people that age 3 is the best time to start. It’s sad that instead of supporting their kids, some parents try to live through them.
I am classically trained on guitar from the age of eleven or so. In my early teens I also listened to popular music of the Fifties on essentially as ear training deciphering chord changes. My regrets include not learning first to play classical piano for the elegance of the keyboard and voice leading. I now play piano and love the medium. I do "audiate" music from the age of sixteen or so. The result of genetics, practice, choir training and playing popular music of the day as well as jazz. Audiation as I experience it means a near perfect acquired pitch and the ability essentially to hear a bar or two of music and be able to replicate it by ear on piano or guitar or other instrument. Over the years I have realized the value of "playing with intention" as Chick Corea termed it.
So good to hear this explained. I've just stumbled across this concept. Thank you.
Really enjoyed listening to this clip. What I. always find a little frustrating is lack of in-depth detail e.g. 'send them home with listening activities'. What listening skills? What specific assignments etc? What function skill etc?
We absolutely have this outlined very specifically - a weekly listening list and skills that we teach in a specific sequence. That’s the whole reason we use Music Learning Theory, so we know what to teach and assign and when
@@growingpianists yes but could you provide a specific example or two to clarify?
That was interesting. Im learning how to improvise on guitar
This is so interesting and eye opening!
Merci
I’ll need to do more research and see how to incorporate mlt into my teaching
Many people are overwhelmed by the amount of information when they start studying MLT but my best advice is do one thing and maybe introduce a single new concept a week or month, to give yourself the time and space to
You don't learn the word "cat" before you see a cat. We don't give names to things we don't know about. Why should you learn the symbols for a sound before you know that sound?
Are you suggesting that children are taught the alphabet before they naturally learn to speak?
Any advice for adult learners?
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@@TheCompleteGuitaristgreat advice
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I love this approach… so basically instruction is generally too cerebral and far less joyful and expressive as a result which means motivation tanks early in the performance arts. Purpose first. And no. Many children don’t want to please adults. That is not the purpose of beautiful music is it?
Really.
Don’t call it informal.
Teachers are not necessarily more or less formal. It is not like teachers are form giving when they mentalize the arts. Perform or think. Those are not at all the same.
It is like the goal of teaching is to imitate the teacher? Or is it to learn music … or any art form for that matter?
“Informal” means we are not expecting particular responses from the student, in other words, we don’t expect students to provide the correct answer. It’s a very important period and it’s actually always part of learning, even when students enter so called “formal” instruction.
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I know some purist is going to lay into me about this idea, but honestly, with the availability of recording devices that we have in modern times, what even is the point of mastering writing and reading musical notation? Back a certain number of decades ago, and before that, it was not really possible or practical to record so the composer was forced to notate the music if they wanted the musicians to be able to execute it. Seems to me that it would be far simpler and faster for the composer simply to play each part and record it. any instrument can be replicated on a keyboard these days. It’s not like it’s any harder to learn a piece from an audio recording than it is from paper with notation written on it. OK OK, maybe there are some rare circumstances where someone is called to perform a piece that they’re not familiar with at all and they are such an incredible site reader that they’re able to just sit down and read the whole thing and play it out perfectly. I think that situation is so incredibly rare that it’s outside the realm of practicality. And even if that situation were called for, how many people in the world are actually that good that they can instantly transpose a complex piece of music with no rehearsal? I’d say that the thousands and thousands of hours that it took for that person to develop that level of reading skill could’ve been better spent on writing and creating their own material. I really think we’re dealing with a practice that has been antiquated for all practical purposes. Yeah some guys will want to notate some cord charts just to jog the memory after they’ve rehearsed the piece a few times. I bet that many of the great classical composers improvised much of their material, and if they were called upon to play at parties and such probably played them differently each time. But they had to write them down, so other musicians had something to play and could coordinate. Even for large symphonies, it would be easy enough to just provide the audio tracks to the musicians. Well, perhaps the composer plays keyboards and he doesn’t play violin and of course the violin parts have a lot of nuance that for some reason, he just can’t represent using modern technology? Maybe I’m delusional. I’m sure there are at least some people out there. Who still put the time to learn how to fix horse drawn carriage wheels too.
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