Sadly, except for the places deemed valuable, most of the places were in the same state as they were in the unification wars until the Horus heresy. Even right outside the imperial palace was a wasteland of ruins and barbarians; showing what little they truly saved on their own home planet. Looking towards the stars blinded them from improving what was already theirs.
+Garrus Vakarian Well he let Lorgar worship him for a century before he decided he didn't like it and started murdering his world. He shows Magnus Chaos and new he wanted him to help fight it then stiffed him at Nicia. Fucked Angron like a sheep. Knowingly allowed Sanguinis to operate believing he didn't know about the flaw. He marched Purturabo into rebellion. O and he drove Konrad even further into insanity. And just to put a peanut on the top of his intergalactic shit Sunday he told Corax that he did all of it cause it was the option he liked the most. If he isn't evil he's so self absorbed he doesn't care about humanity.
Ok, lets unpack your response (citation listed in parentheses): 1. Thunder Warriors Being too loyal: (The Forgotten Dead / bits and pieces of game fluff) The Thunder Warriors were always portrayed to me as a group of juiced out psychos barely better than the techno barbarians they fought. The creation that spawned them was rushed and filled with flaws that caused early death. They were also psychologically trained more like the custodies in that they did not have the familial bonds the marines had for protracted rule. The Emperor knew the Thunder Warriors would never be allowed off of Earth before he made them. CONT.
Nathan Holstrom 2. The Emperor gave Chaos pieces to play with. I'm willing to follow the Job concept for how the Primarchs ended up getting scattered. I think this idea plays well with the story for how long he treated with the warp and how he bartered for the power to begin with. (The Damnation of Pythos) I believe that Emp’s played on the god’s hubris and allowed for the scattering with the god’s believing they would be able to turn the Primarchs in the time they had alone with them and Emp’s believing his creations would be strong enough to handle it. I believe this for three reasons. 1 - The two purged Primarchs. The only way the two lost Primarchs makes sense to me is if they were erased because they showed a flaw in the Emperor. It’s obvious Emp’s doesn’t mind keeping people that have done bad things but he has never allowed his own errors to enter history (Battle of Mount Ararat, early warp fumbling, Khangba Marwu, etc). I think Chaos did sway those two lost Primarchs before Emp found them. I think they are erased and not branded traitors because they were the price Emp paid for his forsaken knowledge. 2 - At no point did he ever write any of the Primarchs off. Hell he didn’t even write Horus off in the end. So if he went into the fight thinking he was going to sacrifice some of his creations why would he cry over the broken eggs? I will not except “They were his kids” as an answer either. The Emperor of mankind made his second set of weapons with familial bonds because they work as good emotional ties for a large empire, the only real love he has ever expressed is for the human species as a whole. 3 - The golden thrown. (A Thousand Suns, Burning of Prospero and Deliverance Lost) ALL specifically state that the Emperor had intended for Magnus to sit on the Golden Thrown not him. So Emp’s hinged his entire grand plan on a guy he knew was going to shit his pants on game night? CONT.
Tell that two the world eaters, the ultra marines, the death guard his former legion, The sisters of silence, Malcador the hero, and finally the emperor of mankind.
oh god, I've just realized why you present 40 facts. I thought you guys just choose an random number. I feel silly now. btw how do I get entered for one your sweepstakes?😉
+Mr_awesome88 Dorn lost a hand. Manus had metal covering his hands. Vulkan probably got all sorts of things cut off but he got better. I think all of the Primarchs and Emp were whole except Angron before they started attacking each other. Well Mortarion had a cough but otherwise ...
They were roid raged psychos that were so jacked up on stimulants and augments they would be eaten up with cancer and crazy sauce. Basicly Emp's made an entire army of world eaters before it was kewl. Two are in "the forgotten dead" novel if you're interested.
Nathan Holstrom Arik accepted it while trying to hack/fuck genetic material out of space marines to keep him and his buddy alive so they could keep running their underground prostitute/ drug ring. Because he could accept mass butchery doesn't make him loyal it makes him just as psychotic. I am also fairly sure while he is explaining that he is okay with it (a scene that takes place while he has several people captured and is fixing to go Hannibal on them as I recall) he says it had to be done because the TW's could not be left to rule what they concurred because they were too violent.
Jacko, It isn’t fanfic. He is correct on the events although I think “The Last Priest” was supposed to be “The Last Church” unless he was going for the future events in “The First Heretic”. Whatever the case he isn’t spewing fanfic and he is not making arguments without providing a line of reasoning. Nathan, Well since this popped up on my alerts I guess we can talk a bit more. I think we are both well aware that our argument lies in implied intent so let’s have the conversation as two people that know the other has read the material instead of trying to lay our argument out for everyone else to try and follow. I think this argument of intent falls on one point in the lore and that is “What did Emp get in the Warp and how?” To my knowledge this question is never directly answered. Here are my conclusions: I DO NOT believe that Emp made any deal, bet, pact or plan with the Chaos gods. I DO NOT believe that the information to create the Primarchs is accessible or doable by Chaos. I BELIEVE Emp knew of the warp prior to mankind leaving Earth and possibly of the war in heaven and Old Ones (Mechanicum, Last Church, Prospero Burns). I BELIEVE Emp used either the core of the throne (Deliverance Lost) or the stable warp gate on Molech (Vengeance? Don’t remember the book) to travel to the warp, find the old ones lost bases and glean information for species creation from them. If anyone knows how to make humans better it’s the guys that made them to begin with. I BELIEVE Chaos makes claims to a pact or deal with Emp because they are liars and because they lay claim to everything in the warp and I don’t see them letting anyone know any different. With those beliefs, the Emp did not lie. There are no God’s only psychic backwash that won’t stay in the bottom of the glass where it belongs. It also means Emp would never go for the star god prophecy. A “Warp God” is nothing more than the cast-off leavings of masses of idle imaginations. Emp is WAY to big on being human to take that existence. A mortal enslaving the material universe to ascend to “God Hood” in the warp is EXACTLY what every single Chaos champion in existence is trying to do. It just doesn’t make sense for Emp to go through all the trouble he did just to grab the goal of “Chaos Cultist 1002”. The Star Child theory works fantastic in the 40k setting when we didn’t have any info on what the primarchs even were really and Emp was just this plot point in the distant past but that isn’t where we are now. I am totally good with Emp having prescience (I still think he may be a precog from the 25M as described in Outcast Dead and not as old as he states.) I’m good with the webway break being an event he can’t see past. But for Emp to be waiting for humanity to turn him into a warp god so he can beat Chaos is just too simple of an answer to require all of this build up.
So the Thousand Sons actually supposed to be Mesopotamian analogs not Egyptian. I don't think many people really understand the distinction but as someone who studies these cultures I found that last fact really interesting!
+The Turbanator why is everybody so butthurt when I get first. like, it's not even important, but people really fucking hate it when I announce myself as first
+Jackson Cordray now that's just bullying, I couldn't choose who is my owner. Hitler liked the way I looked and I became his car. nice try changing the subject though
"Terra is earth"... Oh my god
The Thunder Warriors should be the name of a Football Team!
they should do more books on the Unification Wars.
You should do 40 facts on the history of warhammer such as who thought of it? Who wrote the first book? What is the most popular model?
Ah, one of my finest works.
personally I think the great crusade was your best work
Evan Michael Sutka "One" being the key word!
Sadly, except for the places deemed valuable, most of the places were in the same state as they were in the unification wars until the Horus heresy. Even right outside the imperial palace was a wasteland of ruins and barbarians; showing what little they truly saved on their own home planet. Looking towards the stars blinded them from improving what was already theirs.
6:16 *NO* THEY ALL DIED IN GLORIOUS COMBAT ON MOUNT ARARAT. END OF DISCUSSION. *STOP*
What's that? The Emperor slaughtered the Thunder Warriors? Thanks Tzeentch, I knew there was a reason the Emperor was a lying asshat.
yeah, killing the Thunder Warriors...THATS the dickhead thing he did...
+Sliceofpi oooo tell me moar:D
+Garrus Vakarian Well he let Lorgar worship him for a century before he decided he didn't like it and started murdering his world. He shows Magnus Chaos and new he wanted him to help fight it then stiffed him at Nicia. Fucked Angron like a sheep. Knowingly allowed Sanguinis to operate believing he didn't know about the flaw. He marched Purturabo into rebellion. O and he drove Konrad even further into insanity. And just to put a peanut on the top of his intergalactic shit Sunday he told Corax that he did all of it cause it was the option he liked the most. If he isn't evil he's so self absorbed he doesn't care about humanity.
Ok, lets unpack your response (citation listed in parentheses):
1. Thunder Warriors Being too loyal: (The Forgotten Dead / bits and pieces of game fluff) The Thunder Warriors were always portrayed to me as a group of juiced out psychos barely better than the techno barbarians they fought. The creation that spawned them was rushed and filled with flaws that caused early death. They were also psychologically trained more like the custodies in that they did not have the familial bonds the marines had for protracted rule. The Emperor knew the Thunder Warriors would never be allowed off of Earth before he made them. CONT.
Nathan Holstrom
2. The Emperor gave Chaos pieces to play with. I'm willing to follow the Job concept for how the Primarchs ended up getting scattered. I think this idea plays well with the story for how long he treated with the warp and how he bartered for the power to begin with. (The Damnation of Pythos) I believe that Emp’s played on the god’s hubris and allowed for the scattering with the god’s believing they would be able to turn the Primarchs in the time they had alone with them and Emp’s believing his creations would be strong enough to handle it. I believe this for three reasons. 1 - The two purged Primarchs. The only way the two lost Primarchs makes sense to me is if they were erased because they showed a flaw in the Emperor. It’s obvious Emp’s doesn’t mind keeping people that have done bad things but he has never allowed his own errors to enter history (Battle of Mount Ararat, early warp fumbling, Khangba Marwu, etc). I think Chaos did sway those two lost Primarchs before Emp found them. I think they are erased and not branded traitors because they were the price Emp paid for his forsaken knowledge. 2 - At no point did he ever write any of the Primarchs off. Hell he didn’t even write Horus off in the end. So if he went into the fight thinking he was going to sacrifice some of his creations why would he cry over the broken eggs? I will not except “They were his kids” as an answer either. The Emperor of mankind made his second set of weapons with familial bonds because they work as good emotional ties for a large empire, the only real love he has ever expressed is for the human species as a whole. 3 - The golden thrown. (A Thousand Suns, Burning of Prospero and Deliverance Lost) ALL specifically state that the Emperor had intended for Magnus to sit on the Golden Thrown not him. So Emp’s hinged his entire grand plan on a guy he knew was going to shit his pants on game night? CONT.
great video, really looking forward to the rest of these in this series.
Wait, are the reasons its 40 facts because its 40k. Fuck I feel dumb.
At first their fact videos were 80 facts so don't feel too silly
that would be 40.000 facts !!
At 5:17 did he say greater good. Tau Confirmed
Kitten can be seen at 5:02
Yes, i recognise that little buttom anywhere.
+terrorblades and his muscular bongos.
He's a precious boi... Handsome little man...
lol
*[AROUSED SNICKERING]*
Nice Video, unexpected but really cool, hope there is more on this particular subject before Empire of man. ;)
Really enjoy ur work....👍
Good job guys, we need more.
40 facts about Alpharius and then 40 facts about Omegon
Was the last lighting bearer the chap in the outcast dead?
could you do one for the age of strife? i would like i know more about the old federation
Can you do 40 facts on Doomrider? He's an awesome daemon Prince right?
could we get part 2 of the tech priests?
good video guys keep this going then on to Creed!!
Cant wait for part two
we need more lore from this era
Good job !
Question: Is it possible that there are any loyalists that witnessed the horus heresy still alive and well in the imperium, but just hiding?
+Renn A, The Fallen
Ok I have a tough one for you guys. 40 facts about Nathaniel Garro
He does not exist. Any objections are heresy
Tell that two the world eaters, the ultra marines, the death guard his former legion, The sisters of silence, Malcador the hero, and finally the emperor of mankind.
+The Eternal Chronicler if that marine existed he would be executed as a heretic. so he does not.
Nathaniel Garro was amongst the loyalists of the traitor legions expunged prior to the Drop sight Massacre. Kind of a short video... 🙄
***** he had several books about him. Could easily make 40 facts
i like it, i did know about the oceans..
oh god, I've just realized why you present 40 facts. I thought you guys just choose an random number. I feel silly now.
btw how do I get entered for one your sweepstakes?😉
Please do more skitarii
Does anyone know what happened to the emperor's left hand?
? Horus ripped his right arm off of him in the Heresy. In those pics though he just has on a power claw that looks nifty.
+Sliceofpi ok thanks I always though we lost a hand and got a metal hand.
+Mr_awesome88 Dorn lost a hand. Manus had metal covering his hands. Vulkan probably got all sorts of things cut off but he got better. I think all of the Primarchs and Emp were whole except Angron before they started attacking each other. Well Mortarion had a cough but otherwise ...
Do Militarum tempestus!
love your vids mate but most of you photos are of legio custodes
40 facts about the salamanders!
So thousand sons are Persians? Nice
why did the emperor kill off the thunder warrior?he could have use them in the great crusade
They were roid raged psychos that were so jacked up on stimulants and augments they would be eaten up with cancer and crazy sauce. Basicly Emp's made an entire army of world eaters before it was kewl. Two are in "the forgotten dead" novel if you're interested.
Nathan Holstrom Arik accepted it while trying to hack/fuck genetic material out of space marines to keep him and his buddy alive so they could keep running their underground prostitute/ drug ring. Because he could accept mass butchery doesn't make him loyal it makes him just as psychotic. I am also fairly sure while he is explaining that he is okay with it (a scene that takes place while he has several people captured and is fixing to go Hannibal on them as I recall) he says it had to be done because the TW's could not be left to rule what they concurred because they were too violent.
Nathan Holstrom You're full of shit
Nathan Holstrom Your fan fiction isn't canon dude.
Jacko,
It isn’t fanfic. He is correct on the events although I think “The Last Priest” was supposed to be “The Last Church” unless he was going for the future events in “The First Heretic”. Whatever the case he isn’t spewing fanfic and he is not making arguments without providing a line of reasoning.
Nathan,
Well since this popped up on my alerts I guess we can talk a bit more. I think we are both well aware that our argument lies in implied intent so let’s have the conversation as two people that know the other has read the material instead of trying to lay our argument out for everyone else to try and follow.
I think this argument of intent falls on one point in the lore and that is “What did Emp get in the Warp and how?” To my knowledge this question is never directly answered. Here are my conclusions:
I DO NOT believe that Emp made any deal, bet, pact or plan with the Chaos gods.
I DO NOT believe that the information to create the Primarchs is accessible or doable by Chaos.
I BELIEVE Emp knew of the warp prior to mankind leaving Earth and possibly of the war in heaven and Old Ones (Mechanicum, Last Church, Prospero Burns).
I BELIEVE Emp used either the core of the throne (Deliverance Lost) or the stable warp gate on Molech (Vengeance? Don’t remember the book) to travel to the warp, find the old ones lost bases and glean information for species creation from them. If anyone knows how to make humans better it’s the guys that made them to begin with.
I BELIEVE Chaos makes claims to a pact or deal with Emp because they are liars and because they lay claim to everything in the warp and I don’t see them letting anyone know any different.
With those beliefs, the Emp did not lie. There are no God’s only psychic backwash that won’t stay in the bottom of the glass where it belongs.
It also means Emp would never go for the star god prophecy. A “Warp God” is nothing more than the cast-off leavings of masses of idle imaginations. Emp is WAY to big on being human to take that existence. A mortal enslaving the material universe to ascend to “God Hood” in the warp is EXACTLY what every single Chaos champion in existence is trying to do. It just doesn’t make sense for Emp to go through all the trouble he did just to grab the goal of “Chaos Cultist 1002”.
The Star Child theory works fantastic in the 40k setting when we didn’t have any info on what the primarchs even were really and Emp was just this plot point in the distant past but that isn’t where we are now. I am totally good with Emp having prescience (I still think he may be a precog from the 25M as described in Outcast Dead and not as old as he states.) I’m good with the webway break being an event he can’t see past. But for Emp to be waiting for humanity to turn him into a warp god so he can beat Chaos is just too simple of an answer to require all of this build up.
So the 2018 was just the past in 40k univerese
But, why the emperor destroyed the thunder warriors?
they were absolete
But thy were better than space marine, weren't they?
Diego Camilo Peña Ramirez
no only stronger marines were better in every other way, ie thunder warriors were berserkers and marines were knights
Also they were less stable, more prone to anger and lose temper, just not the sort of warriors you needed for a stable empire.
So the Thousand Sons actually supposed to be Mesopotamian analogs not Egyptian. I don't think many people really understand the distinction but as someone who studies these cultures I found that last fact really interesting!
dow 1 , I hope dow 3 gonna be like or close to 1
Man, this is an absolutely sucky future
So Earth had a World War
The Middle East aligning willingly with the emperor? Must be a different Middle East then ours.
hitokiriizo it is 28,000 years from now give or take a decade or 2
The emperor must born in a strong and ancient land, mabye irak or india
Roberth Sa Supposedly, he was born in Anatolia (modern Turkey).
Ah.... actually it's Achaemenid empire. NOT "Achamunduce Empire"!!!!
Also pronounced dhul-qaranayn totaly wrong...
I rate this m8/m8 -- Panpacific Empire Propaganda Press
The Swagperor of Memekind sick bruh
meow
not first, but very early
Being "First", does not matter
+The Turbanator why is everybody so butthurt when I get first. like, it's not even important, but people really fucking hate it when I announce myself as first
Why bother announcing it if it's unimportant and it angers others. It would be smart to consider what others will think before you do something.
+Hitler's Cat says the guy with the name "hitlers cat"
+Jackson Cordray now that's just bullying, I couldn't choose who is my owner. Hitler liked the way I looked and I became his car. nice try changing the subject though
Allahu Akbastartes
love your vids mate but most of you photos are of legio custodes