Fun fact: The current Executive Director of the USS Kidd Veterans Museum is also a member of the exploration team that found the wrecks of both the USS Johnston and USS Samuel B Roberts.
OH MY GOD THAT'S ME!!! I've been watching for years, ever since the HMS Hood video (which, oddly enough made me decide to go into the Navy, Hooyah!) and sent in the occasional replay. I never expected to get featured, but this was one hell of a game. I was running my mouth a lot lol, but all that matters is who's standing at the top when the battle's over. Thanks for the highlight Jingles and keep up the great work o7!
Ah good times, i remember watching and enemy cv send his entire plane payload over a mountain to kill a montana, then he discovered the desmoines behind that island with a full AA build, he lost all his planes after about 5 seconds, good times
mine will always be a tier 8 CV sending planes over my fully AA specced Queen Elizabeth and suddenly finding they had very few planes left. The Queen Liz, when specced for it, was an AA monster and often took CVs offguard. It was her 'trade off' vs the Warspite who had much better turret traverse time and a better heal but worse AA.
@luketfer oh yeah I remember that, you actually had to think about who to attack and the specs of the ships to do good, now it's just braindead play style
AA builds used to be so much fun. I remember playing an AA spec destroyer (I think it was one of the American ones), and while it wasn't amazing in a gunfight, the reverse ambush of planes when they're engaging a seemingly easy target and suddenly they're getting scattered and shot down by a surprise destroyer.
Remember the day before the CV Rework, was in a full AA spec Minotaur and 2 CVs were trying to kill me but couldn't. They lost over +50 planes between the 2 of them. I beat my AA Defence record that day. Good time, good times
Jingles missing that the concord bridge also dropped torpedoes with the Lexington to make the 'cross drop' has to be one of the biggest Jingles moment in history
naw, it's all the time irl Jingles has spent doing the voodoo rituals to get better matchmaking and skills in game in wows that has zero impact on the matchmaking or game skills. ;)
What about bottoming out a nuclear submarine in Cold Waters, dragging it backwards across the mucky hill, "taking off" at the crest of the hill to regain "flight" and power his way up to a shallower depth so he could pump out the flooding and continue his campaign? Ya know, his iconic Jingles Landings, in a fuckin sub.
The Kidd is actually supposed to be going into dry dock soon as soon as the Mississippi River rises to release her from her cradle. Nice to see a replay with her.
I loved old style CV RTS gameplay exactly for how different it was from other ships. The tense standoff with opponent fighters, trying to outsmart opposite CV player. It was interesting, unlike current mode.
I preferred the old one as well. Especially as you could build either for airsuperority with lots of fighters or strike with more bombers. Think also the idea that you could assign a squadron to provide cover for an allied ship was a neat idea. And do not forget that carriers were vulnerable back then. Being caught alone in the open was a sure way to get killed. Now they are imune to fires an flodding most of the time. Have automatic defenses against other planes and subs. And the russian carriers can nearly outrun a destroyer.
Never tried to play the old style CV but could appreciate the skill involved when a good player showed up so somehow that meant being sunk by them wasn't so bad. Todays CV's? Not likely! I'm afraid I have no respect for any CV player simply because of the mechanics of the game - like Subs (urgh) they are too easy to play well and have too many gimmicks going for them. If I wanted to fly aeroplanes I'd play a flight-sim. If I wanted to captain a sub I'd play a sub-sim.
@@jackaubrey8614 True, and the real problem is CVs and Subs make destroyers more or less useless. They both can spot better, both can do stealth better, The only defense you have in a DD is speed and stealth and both classes more or less negate that advantage. Not that it was not hard enough already with all the Hydro and Radar. And nowadaays nearly every ship has torpedoes as well, so another reason for a deastroyer is gone.
The CV rework ended the game for me when WG decided to push ahead with it despite the testers and the community were opposed to it. I haven't played it since then and watching the replays from the Game of Throws doesn't make me miss the game at all because the game I knew doesn't exist anymore.
The worst part of the rework for me was that I had just unlocked the Bogue when they did the rework. As a strategy player by nature RTS carriers were the love of the game for me.
Been playing this game for 8 years, and can confirm that WG is still working hard to throw this game under the bus. But cheers for the vid, Jingles, entertaining as always! 07 old man
Yeah that is true , I have clan mate that was off line for 1142 days , in 800days he was gone I have write him and massage in game that i hope he is fine and did not died on corona or something , I had no hope he will ever respond , and he did in Saturday , he have writen that he got married and had daughter so he quit game , but now he is back ... I have call him fool for getting back to game ;)
@@ninobixio6156 I feel excactly the same way, I tried War Thunder, but it proved to be not my cup of tea. I remember I quit playing WoT a long time ago for the exact same reason that I see WG is doing to WoWS now. But there is really not any viable alternatives out there for me. In addition, all my friends that I socialize with, is built around playing in divs in WoWS while chatting on Discord. There is a social aspect that is suffering hard nowadays too, as a direct result of WGs ongoing efforts to ruin this once wonderful game. I know a TON of good players that have just quit playing wows over the past couple of years, and thus they're never on our Discord anymore. It's really tragic!
OK, I guess I am an insensitive capitalist pig, but I truly do not understand the blatant hostility WG have for the players that are paying them money. Also in since closed Beta. But I still enjoy the game. I just play around Tier VII except for Ranked and other events, to avoid the high tier fantasy ships. There are a significant number of experienced players in the mid and even lower tiers.
"The Enemy Kidd's running off his mouth too much." Kidd: *Solos two aircraft carriers and downs an entire air wing's worth of aircraft.* [Insert Spongebob muscle picture meme here.]
I was a CV player before the rework. Sure, DDs might be a pretty hard counter but by the same token BBs hard counter CAs/CLs and most cruisers will hard counter DDs. It was a circle of hard counters that actually worked pretty well and made teamwork more important. The fact that some ships could enforce a no-fly zone just made things more interesting - aside from raising the skill ceiling, usually sooner or later enough guns would get shot off that you COULD approach them if you had to.
The game was about teamwork. Hell, the original beta trailer advertises it as a sort of complex rock-paper-scissors arrangement. You worked with others on your team to counter what you were good against, each covering one anothers' weaknesses. That's also why adding things like carriers and submarines was never going to work, because unless they were properly serving a support role they just don't fit into how the game was initially designed.
As a pre-rework Hiryu captain main, I will say that I didn't mind that I couldn't sink an atlanta. That's what my team was for. I just cleared the way for them.
In retrospect, Id rather have seen the RTS CVs with plane HP and stuff like that. Just improved the old model. But when one CV player knew how strafing worked and one didnt ? Damn one team was giga-fucked.
@@IIIJG52 I know. Strafing was silly, only put in because WG decided they had both an "automatic" and a "manual" attack for the bombers and torpedo planes, so fighters had to have one too... regardless of how silly it was, from the perspective of reality, balance, fun, or anything else.
@@TheMouseMasterYT IF both CVs were skilled, it was fun though. Trying to bait each other into getting their fighters strafed and then going for complete aerial domination. Pre-rework CVs were fun honestly, because there were hard limits to what you could do.
The USS Kidd is open as a museum ship in Baton Rouge, LA. It's the only Fletcher class destroyer still in it's WWII configuration. Great musuem, if you're ever in Baton Rouge stop by.
Another factor that made cross-dropping such a death sentence was the old flood mechanics. Even a single flood did massive damage, and if you got tagged with multiple floods, you either used your damage control or you died. (This also made torpedo boat destroyers much more lethal.)
FWI for those who haven't heard. USS Kidd was named for Admiral Kidd who was on the bridge of USS Arizona when the Japanese bomb ignited the forward powder magazines. He was vaporized along with the ship's commanding officer. The only thing found was his US Naval Academy class ring.
Read the title and was instantly hoping this was a Vampire replay, since HMAS Vampire was nicknamed The Bat, and The Batmobile, and the first thing I though of when reading the title was one of Joker’s catchphrases from the 1989 Batman movie: “Have you ever danced with the Devil in the pale moonlight?”
😂 Jack Nicholson is the best Joker, imo! Just like Danny Diveto played the Penguin perfectly and I can't see anyone else in the role! My favorite Cat Woman is still Eartha Kitt! And Wonder Woman played by Linda Carter!🤤 That was the best time to be a kid! 😂
@@paulvamos7319 for me the best Joker is hands down, without a doubt Mark Hamill. Just the fact that you can’t even spell his name without Arkham is nothing short of incredible. It’s a shame he announced he will no longer voice Joker because Kevin Conroy died, we lost an undeniable legend when he shuffled off this mortal coil. Man fuck cancer. In terms of live action, while I appreciate Nicholson’s take, you just can’t beat Heath Ledger. Joaquin Phoenix takes second place purely because of the raw emotion and cadence present with his delivery, with Nicholson in a close third because he was more obsessed with Vikki Vale instead of being a threat to Gotham, Cesar Romero takes fourth mainly because whilst he had plenty of funny moments, he didn’t leave that big an impact like Ledger, Phoenix and Nicholson, and the less said about Jared Leto the better.
Concealed maneuvers were really fun in a cruiser with DFAA. The support carriers have weak planes as their main selling point, so the DFAA was absolutely devastating shooting down lower tier aircraft
My best CV memory was in my Minotaur when AA was still good. The enemy team had two T8 CVs. I shot down 81 planes and won the game in the final seconds by melting both CVs with my guns. Good times when the game was fun!
16:58 actually Jingles minefields have 40s activation time, so a BB has still time to create a safe path with depth charges through the mines and get into safety before mines activate
I haven't seen anyone splash 70 aircraft by themselves since before the CV rework. It's been so long since I've seen the fun police suffer death by a thousand cuts in that manner.
@@cipher34food96 My best memories of making CV cry was the Farragut with the AA hull. God damn that thing shredded planes and a lot of CV players didn't even see it coming, in more than one way xD
@@ainumahtar I still remember the captain skill that improves AA when you manually click the planes and my hipper probably trolled a lot of CV captain back then Cross dropping me ? Well good luck with your squad a 105mm flak is on your ass 🤣
What's more satisfying; death by a thousand cuts like in the video or DevStriking them out of existence from across the map? Personally I go for the latter
... until dopamine wears out from high numbers and you realize most of those are low highpoint disposable fighters and could be dealt by under-tier ship with worst AA...
The way jingles talks about the old cvs is a clear sign that he doesn’t remember cross dropping from one cv and erasing dds in the first minute of battle. People that think old cvs were better because they would lose their planes so it remember how things were actually
Jingles - I loved it in the beginning of carriers at tier 4/5. I could always sneak around a map corner and slaughter a carrier in a Destroyer, And I did it too, many times. Back in the days when Carriers were not so OP. Also, you need to add some to the story of your Crazy Louisiana GF in your next Mingles. 😃
This trail deal with the mines and smoke planes had me pulling the same thing several times with my Cleveland. They’re so busy playing with the new gadgets they didn’t see 152mm of pain aimed right in their sides. Kept air striking in front of me to clear mines and kept pouring the beans to them. It was glorious 😂😂😂
Just took a trip to USS Kidd this summer - it is well worth the visit! If you can't see her in person, USS Kidd does have a TH-cam channel (and a website with a virtual tour) - all sorts of great stuff. Thanks for all your great content, Jingles
The bombs aren't what you need to worry about, they have RNG so they aren't predictable. It's the tops you need to worry about, one good prediction drop and you're toast
Hahaha never have wiser words been said. This is one of those life lessons that needs to be experienced, you can be taught it, but good lord does the lesson stick once you experience a crazy woman and the ensuing drama bomb
I’m from the Baton Rouge area and the kidd is a wonderful sight to see when crossing the bridge. He wasn’t wrong about the women around here tho I’ll tell y’all that much lol.
Sure it was, and wargaming actually listens to player feedback and cares about the players and wishes to provide a good experience with out gouging money from people at every possible turn
@@mirandela777 More fun maybe, but you dont grind faster. Ops give more exp than Co-Op, but significantly less than Randoms and this new game mode. Plus Ops is way too dependant on the team playing the objective, which most just dont do, especially in Cherry Blossom.
@@richardwinstanley8219 - Dude I get 10-20k XP on op.s, and 500k - 1 million, credits, when performing decent. "Plus Ops is way too dependant on the team playing the objective" - Random is way more, lol, here you get things right at contrary lol ! In Ops is only 7 guys, AND you know what you need to do. In random, you have way less control.
The good news is that WarGaming are bringing back all of the Tier V, VII, and IX aircraft carriers, such as Essex and Taihou, into the game as escort carriers. However, both Essex and Taihou are going to be at Tier X. Also, all American escort carriers, like Essex, will have access to air-dropped mines consumable that can damage subs whereas all Japanese aircraft carriers, like Taihou, get access to air-dropped smokescreens.
Err Halland with the special captain will monster any CV. Mino's are also a good bet if you can stay alive long enough. The Kidd isn't the only ship that can give CVs a hard time
@@jaquigreenlees Also if the CV is tier 8 and doesn't have an armored flight deck, ends up in a tier 9 game, they need to be careful of Musashi with spotter plane. Several times I've had our CV spot the enemy CV, see they aren't moving and within one or two salvos suddenly there isn't an enemy CV anymore. Sadly if it's a Brit CV or against the tier 10s this isn't effective because they gave them armored flight decks...much sadge.
Yep. Halland, petro and mino are some of the few surface ships capable of neutering a CV. Petro actually excels with an AA build because if you can bait a CV into focusing you with the AA captain skill you get a significant reload boost for your radar and dfaa. Downside is no hydro, but it's a petro and that thing is a beast. Halland is halland and eats planes for fun. Mino is like petro in that it gets the extra range needed to deter a CV but personally I'd only take the AA flag and spec mino for your playstyle because unlike petro, mino likes to have quite a few skills.
@@luketfer new mexico, 1 broadside and full health serov went to the bottom. pensicola, 2 full broadsides and full health serov went to the bottom. both were my personal battles a while back. you get a cv in range of your main guns and they are having a bad day. this morning, ryujo went from full health to 25% with my dallas dumping he into her bows. then the sub on my team nailed her with a torp and she went to the bottom. victory as last ship on other team.
"Kidd might be the only ship in this game that carriers might want to stay away from" - Friesland, Groningen and De Zeven Provincien want to know your location
Okay Jingles BULL SHIT! As someone who dabbles into Carriers once in a while i can not let that comment on AA stand. The Black having the best AA? Not even at its Tier. There is someting called the Öland (Pan Euro DD T8) that actually IS an effectiv no Fly Zone. Followed by the Östergotland (T9) which is even more proficient at whiping out entire Squads in a matter of Seconds. The Kidd is more at the Level of the Kansas, the Harlem or the Harbin.
I will ALSO point out that the sea mines take fourty seconds to arm once they hit the water. Anything but the slowest battleship can absolutely clear the size of the minefield in 40 seconds if it goes full ahead.
Was playing a game with a couple buddies last year and they both went as Kidds and for all intents and purposes deplaned the enemy CV to the point that it could only ever send one or two planes out at a time.
I've been in my clemson (tier 3 destroyer) several times against different carriers and survived numerous engagements with successful kills on the carrier. So jingles, it's not always a 1 way ticket to the bottom.
11:50 "How dare you not sink" I felt that in the depths of my soul Edit: also he would have maybe been better off going after B instead of hunting CV's at this point
I bought the Kidd specifically for it's insane AA back in the day, and because I went to University at LSU and have been on that ship 3 times. They nerfed AA, they buffed CVs, they made the Kidd stupid. Nice to see someone still plays her.
They used the Kidd for the Tom Hanks movie Greyhound. Great movie. Some anachronisms, later war techniques and equipment used in an early-war timeframe, but still a great movie.
Split resident here. It is way better to live now in Split then in 90s, it is awesome, except for British tourists who are loud and pissing everywhere, albeit they are young and other tourists are same (French), but Brit girls are loudest and most drunk, but we love You all because we can charge you massive bills (borderline extortion) in restaurants and bars and you don't care :). Been your fan for a long time, you even featured my WoT replay once in LTTB, and i want to invite you to come to Dalmatia before it becomes to expensive to visit or live, didn't have opportunity before, now i have to defend Split.
That was the most disgusting display of carrier abuse I have seen in a few years.... I'm happy now. Nice to see them on the receiving end for once. Thank you!
Driven like possibly the best pirate I’ve ever seen 😂😂😂 I almost wished they’d make a Tom Hanks Greyhound captain for USS KIDD as it was the ship they used for the movie to be his Fletcher class DD
USS Kidd is one of my stress toys. Such a great little ship. The torpedoes are kinda crap but it’s a dedicated AA/gunboat and, in my opinion, it makes you a better destroyer player. It also has a heal which encourages brawling and active involvement as a destroyer.
Yep Jingles, you nailed the Champagne pronounciation. It's a Gascogne like battlecruiser with triple 16' gun turrets instead of 15' quads and with less armor. Actually Jingles, the Paneuropeans DDs with their AA are much more of a threat than the Kidd if memory serves. Let's just say that Bâton Rouge got you Red Pinned, sort of.
Concealed manoeuvres was actually fun for driving my AA-only build Cleveland. Guaranteed carrier with every captain skill, upgrade, and flag I can possibly use for AA, even took the 4-point AA skill for +20% AA dmg instead of IFHE.
Being an (now ex-) Baton Rouge native, I've spent more than one night aboard the Kidd with my scout troupe lo these many years past. Even for a naval enthusiast, I would say it's not worth the trip by itself - but it is a nice sideline between really good local food trips! Very cool to hear we were in the same city at the same time, if only briefly and without any chance of having met or reason for knowing if we had - it really is a very small world, I suppose. And yeah, the only thing crazier than a crazy southern woman is a crazy southern man.
It's been months since I last sailed my Petro, but I do remember that being the match where an IJN carrier sent plane after plane against me. Secured a cap, ran the carrier to ground, and somehow he only did a bit less than half damage. I remember it because not only was it the first time I got an AA Expert medal on that ship, but I also had over twice the number of plane kills for the medal. 'Course that doesn't mean Soviet ships have remarkable AA...the other guy could have just been bad.
That matchmaking is still not the worst I have seen. I was in a match once that was a full roster....but the most F'd up roster I{ have ever seen. 3 subs, 3 destroyers, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers and 2 battleships on BOTH teams! lol
Always enjoy playing the Kidd; fun ship. I honestly think the D7 Provincien or however it's spelled has better AA though. Against anything other then a T10 cv it's almost a no fly zone.
Atlanta definitely can still be a no fly zone if youre up against T6 carriers. That infinite DFAA with a 60s cooldown (if you build for it) is outstanding
I used to respect people who could cross drop me, sure, it meant I was loosing all or at least most of my health. but it was hard to do so I respected them for it
I greatly preferred the old RTS style of carrier gameplay. Because it felt like what managing a carrier would probably be like. Managing your squadrons, trying to coordinate the timing of your attacks to make the most use of them, having to be careful what you attacked because AA cruisers would make some attacks far too costly... And having to be careful about not depleting your plane reserves. Instead, we got floating plane factories that can ignore AA as if it was just a cloud of bubbles and then nuke whatever they find. This kind of shit is why I'm glad I stopped playing WoWs and WG games in general.
Depends on whether the carrier is tier VIII or tier X, tier Xs will take out a kidd without too much problems... I didn't actually have a problem with how carriers worked before the rework - in the whole rock/paper/scissors thing it was very difficult (although not impossible) for a cv to hit a dd, dds could however be spotted by cvs and then they were dead if the enemy cruisers wanted to shoot. It was very hard for a dd to get to a carrier alive but in the occasion when it did (which was when the cv was pretty silly not to run away) then the dd could gun them down which I always thought was fair. Similarly I didn't really have a problem with cross dropping it took skill to do and if you had a manouverable enough ship you could thread between them, similarly you could use defensive fire to scatter the attacking planes so the torps would fire in a wide spread.
Fun fact: The current Executive Director of the USS Kidd Veterans Museum is also a member of the exploration team that found the wrecks of both the USS Johnston and USS Samuel B Roberts.
OH MY GOD THAT'S ME!!! I've been watching for years, ever since the HMS Hood video (which, oddly enough made me decide to go into the Navy, Hooyah!) and sent in the occasional replay. I never expected to get featured, but this was one hell of a game. I was running my mouth a lot lol, but all that matters is who's standing at the top when the battle's over. Thanks for the highlight Jingles and keep up the great work o7!
The DD mafia tips its hat to our newest member.
Bro the last line you gave in chat “I’m going down fighting” sent me😭😭
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Ah good times, i remember watching and enemy cv send his entire plane payload over a mountain to kill a montana, then he discovered the desmoines behind that island with a full AA build, he lost all his planes after about 5 seconds, good times
mine will always be a tier 8 CV sending planes over my fully AA specced Queen Elizabeth and suddenly finding they had very few planes left. The Queen Liz, when specced for it, was an AA monster and often took CVs offguard. It was her 'trade off' vs the Warspite who had much better turret traverse time and a better heal but worse AA.
@luketfer oh yeah I remember that, you actually had to think about who to attack and the specs of the ships to do good, now it's just braindead play style
AA builds used to be so much fun. I remember playing an AA spec destroyer (I think it was one of the American ones), and while it wasn't amazing in a gunfight, the reverse ambush of planes when they're engaging a seemingly easy target and suddenly they're getting scattered and shot down by a surprise destroyer.
Jinan with build has a 99 aa rating
Remember the day before the CV Rework, was in a full AA spec Minotaur and 2 CVs were trying to kill me but couldn't. They lost over +50 planes between the 2 of them. I beat my AA Defence record that day. Good time, good times
Love the shittalking from garlic...after killing the carriers he turns around and goes "fight me vlad Im going down fighting"
Unexpected dose of too much information there at the end.
Mad uncle Jingles, never change.
Jingles missing that the concord bridge also dropped torpedoes with the Lexington to make the 'cross drop' has to be one of the biggest Jingles moment in history
naw, it's all the time irl Jingles has spent doing the voodoo rituals to get better matchmaking and skills in game in wows that has zero impact on the matchmaking or game skills. ;)
He was thinking about that ex-girlfriend down in Baton Rouge "I should call her..."
What about bottoming out a nuclear submarine in Cold Waters, dragging it backwards across the mucky hill, "taking off" at the crest of the hill to regain "flight" and power his way up to a shallower depth so he could pump out the flooding and continue his campaign? Ya know, his iconic Jingles Landings, in a fuckin sub.
@@jessegd6306That one felt surreal like nothing else, best Cold Water clip by far.
Kinda figured 😂
The Kidd is actually supposed to be going into dry dock soon as soon as the Mississippi River rises to release her from her cradle. Nice to see a replay with her.
I loved old style CV RTS gameplay exactly for how different it was from other ships. The tense standoff with opponent fighters, trying to outsmart opposite CV player. It was interesting, unlike current mode.
I preferred the old one as well.
Especially as you could build either for airsuperority with lots of fighters or strike with more bombers.
Think also the idea that you could assign a squadron to provide cover for an allied ship was a neat idea.
And do not forget that carriers were vulnerable back then. Being caught alone in the open was a sure way to get killed.
Now they are imune to fires an flodding most of the time. Have automatic defenses against other planes and subs.
And the russian carriers can nearly outrun a destroyer.
Never tried to play the old style CV but could appreciate the skill involved when a good player showed up so somehow that meant being sunk by them wasn't so bad.
Todays CV's? Not likely! I'm afraid I have no respect for any CV player simply because of the mechanics of the game - like Subs (urgh) they are too easy to play well and have too many gimmicks going for them.
If I wanted to fly aeroplanes I'd play a flight-sim. If I wanted to captain a sub I'd play a sub-sim.
@@jackaubrey8614 True, and the real problem is CVs and Subs make destroyers more or less useless.
They both can spot better, both can do stealth better,
The only defense you have in a DD is speed and stealth and both classes more or less negate that advantage.
Not that it was not hard enough already with all the Hydro and Radar.
And nowadaays nearly every ship has torpedoes as well, so another reason for a deastroyer is gone.
The CV rework ended the game for me when WG decided to push ahead with it despite the testers and the community were opposed to it. I haven't played it since then and watching the replays from the Game of Throws doesn't make me miss the game at all because the game I knew doesn't exist anymore.
The worst part of the rework for me was that I had just unlocked the Bogue when they did the rework. As a strategy player by nature RTS carriers were the love of the game for me.
Been playing this game for 8 years, and can confirm that WG is still working hard to throw this game under the bus. But cheers for the vid, Jingles, entertaining as always! 07 old man
Yeah that is true , I have clan mate that was off line for 1142 days , in 800days he was gone I have write him and massage in game that i hope he is fine and did not died on corona or something , I had no hope he will ever respond , and he did in Saturday , he have writen that he got married and had daughter so he quit game , but now he is back ... I have call him fool for getting back to game ;)
@@ninobixio6156 I feel excactly the same way, I tried War Thunder, but it proved to be not my cup of tea. I remember I quit playing WoT a long time ago for the exact same reason that I see WG is doing to WoWS now. But there is really not any viable alternatives out there for me. In addition, all my friends that I socialize with, is built around playing in divs in WoWS while chatting on Discord. There is a social aspect that is suffering hard nowadays too, as a direct result of WGs ongoing efforts to ruin this once wonderful game. I know a TON of good players that have just quit playing wows over the past couple of years, and thus they're never on our Discord anymore. It's really tragic!
OK, I guess I am an insensitive capitalist pig, but I truly do not understand the blatant hostility WG have for the players that are paying them money.
Also in since closed Beta. But I still enjoy the game. I just play around Tier VII except for Ranked and other events, to avoid the high tier fantasy ships. There are a significant number of experienced players in the mid and even lower tiers.
i quit a few years ago with zero regrets, still entertaining to watch a Jingles vid though.
@@ninobixio6156 Alien - Dark Decent, is recommended...
10:53 I'm sorry but I chuckled at that sentence "you don't want to get into a gun fight with a kid" haha
Nope, none of 'em!
(Billy, the Captain, or the Admiral!)
Kidd to the aircrafts carriers : i am not stuck on this map with you...YOUR ARE STUCK ON THIS MAP WITH ME !
"The Enemy Kidd's running off his mouth too much."
Kidd: *Solos two aircraft carriers and downs an entire air wing's worth of aircraft.* [Insert Spongebob muscle picture meme here.]
I was a CV player before the rework. Sure, DDs might be a pretty hard counter but by the same token BBs hard counter CAs/CLs and most cruisers will hard counter DDs. It was a circle of hard counters that actually worked pretty well and made teamwork more important. The fact that some ships could enforce a no-fly zone just made things more interesting - aside from raising the skill ceiling, usually sooner or later enough guns would get shot off that you COULD approach them if you had to.
The game was about teamwork. Hell, the original beta trailer advertises it as a sort of complex rock-paper-scissors arrangement. You worked with others on your team to counter what you were good against, each covering one anothers' weaknesses. That's also why adding things like carriers and submarines was never going to work, because unless they were properly serving a support role they just don't fit into how the game was initially designed.
As a pre-rework Hiryu captain main, I will say that I didn't mind that I couldn't sink an atlanta. That's what my team was for. I just cleared the way for them.
In retrospect, Id rather have seen the RTS CVs with plane HP and stuff like that. Just improved the old model. But when one CV player knew how strafing worked and one didnt ? Damn one team was giga-fucked.
@@IIIJG52 I know. Strafing was silly, only put in because WG decided they had both an "automatic" and a "manual" attack for the bombers and torpedo planes, so fighters had to have one too... regardless of how silly it was, from the perspective of reality, balance, fun, or anything else.
@@TheMouseMasterYT IF both CVs were skilled, it was fun though. Trying to bait each other into getting their fighters strafed and then going for complete aerial domination. Pre-rework CVs were fun honestly, because there were hard limits to what you could do.
The USS Kidd is open as a museum ship in Baton Rouge, LA. It's the only Fletcher class destroyer still in it's WWII configuration. Great musuem, if you're ever in Baton Rouge stop by.
Some of my crewmates from the second USS Kidd (DDG-993) visit there nearly every year to help with annual maintenance.
Extols the virtues of the USS Kidd for 21 minutes straight.
Halland: Am I a fucking joke to you?
Another factor that made cross-dropping such a death sentence was the old flood mechanics. Even a single flood did massive damage, and if you got tagged with multiple floods, you either used your damage control or you died. (This also made torpedo boat destroyers much more lethal.)
FWI for those who haven't heard. USS Kidd was named for Admiral Kidd who was on the bridge of USS Arizona when the Japanese bomb ignited the forward powder magazines. He was vaporized along with the ship's commanding officer. The only thing found was his US Naval Academy class ring.
Read the title and was instantly hoping this was a Vampire replay, since HMAS Vampire was nicknamed The Bat, and The Batmobile, and the first thing I though of when reading the title was one of Joker’s catchphrases from the 1989 Batman movie: “Have you ever danced with the Devil in the pale moonlight?”
😂 Jack Nicholson is the best Joker, imo! Just like Danny Diveto played the Penguin perfectly and I can't see anyone else in the role! My favorite Cat Woman is still Eartha Kitt! And Wonder Woman played by Linda Carter!🤤 That was the best time to be a kid! 😂
@@paulvamos7319 for me the best Joker is hands down, without a doubt Mark Hamill. Just the fact that you can’t even spell his name without Arkham is nothing short of incredible. It’s a shame he announced he will no longer voice Joker because Kevin Conroy died, we lost an undeniable legend when he shuffled off this mortal coil. Man fuck cancer. In terms of live action, while I appreciate Nicholson’s take, you just can’t beat Heath Ledger. Joaquin Phoenix takes second place purely because of the raw emotion and cadence present with his delivery, with Nicholson in a close third because he was more obsessed with Vikki Vale instead of being a threat to Gotham, Cesar Romero takes fourth mainly because whilst he had plenty of funny moments, he didn’t leave that big an impact like Ledger, Phoenix and Nicholson, and the less said about Jared Leto the better.
@@JoshCreepa Yes, Heath is better but Jack is my first movie Joker and I also think Jim Carrey would have been a great Joker! 🤣👍
@@paulvamos7319 Jim Carrey slayed it as Riddler though.
Concealed maneuvers were really fun in a cruiser with DFAA. The support carriers have weak planes as their main selling point, so the DFAA was absolutely devastating shooting down lower tier aircraft
My best CV memory was in my Minotaur when AA was still good. The enemy team had two T8 CVs. I shot down 81 planes and won the game in the final seconds by melting both CVs with my guns. Good times when the game was fun!
The chance to see not one but two pigs sunk was golden. Thanks Jingles!
"why did the Lexington do it?? (cross drop)" because there were TWO carriers in the game... Jingles, oh old man Jingles 🙂
16:58 actually Jingles minefields have 40s activation time, so a BB has still time to create a safe path with depth charges through the mines and get into safety before mines activate
I haven't seen anyone splash 70 aircraft by themselves since before the CV rework. It's been so long since I've seen the fun police suffer death by a thousand cuts in that manner.
Aw man I still remember my AA spec Fletcher being the bane of CVs late game coz I can pretty much deplane them and hunt them with impunity
@@cipher34food96 My best memories of making CV cry was the Farragut with the AA hull. God damn that thing shredded planes and a lot of CV players didn't even see it coming, in more than one way xD
@@ainumahtar I still remember the captain skill that improves AA when you manually click the planes and my hipper probably trolled a lot of CV captain back then
Cross dropping me ?
Well good luck with your squad a 105mm flak is on your ass
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What's more satisfying; death by a thousand cuts like in the video or DevStriking them out of existence from across the map? Personally I go for the latter
... until dopamine wears out from high numbers and you realize most of those are low highpoint disposable fighters and could be dealt by under-tier ship with worst AA...
Had a port call in Split New Year's 2016-2017. Place is amazing!
The way jingles talks about the old cvs is a clear sign that he doesn’t remember cross dropping from one cv and erasing dds in the first minute of battle. People that think old cvs were better because they would lose their planes so it remember how things were actually
Old CVs were better because you could have 7-8 games without them in a row
Jingles - I loved it in the beginning of carriers at tier 4/5. I could always sneak around a map corner and slaughter a carrier in a Destroyer, And I did it too, many times. Back in the days when Carriers were not so OP. Also, you need to add some to the story of your Crazy Louisiana GF in your next Mingles. 😃
This trail deal with the mines and smoke planes had me pulling the same thing several times with my Cleveland. They’re so busy playing with the new gadgets they didn’t see 152mm of pain aimed right in their sides.
Kept air striking in front of me to clear mines and kept pouring the beans to them. It was glorious 😂😂😂
Just took a trip to USS Kidd this summer - it is well worth the visit! If you can't see her in person, USS Kidd does have a TH-cam channel (and a website with a virtual tour) - all sorts of great stuff. Thanks for all your great content, Jingles
That Lexington was missing every drop. Not even a Kidd can stay alive against a competent CV, couple of bomb drops and you're done.
The bombs aren't what you need to worry about, they have RNG so they aren't predictable. It's the tops you need to worry about, one good prediction drop and you're toast
@@harrisonlewis6093 No. Against US CVs, its 120% the Divebombers that kill DDs the most. Midways if lucky can almost oneshot Shimas.
Defensive fire throws off spread
@@armorhide406 During the RTS days, not these days :D
Hahaha never have wiser words been said.
This is one of those life lessons that needs to be experienced, you can be taught it, but good lord does the lesson stick once you experience a crazy woman and the ensuing drama bomb
I remember building my Gneisenau for AA years ago and surprising multiple CV's. Well worth it. I do miss those days to an extent.
Crazy in the bed, crazy in the HEAD. LOL Jingles. Been down that road.
I’m from the Baton Rouge area and the kidd is a wonderful sight to see when crossing the bridge. He wasn’t wrong about the women around here tho I’ll tell y’all that much lol.
Ahhh, Jingles. Passing on words of wisdom that have echoed since time immemorial: Don't put your D in crazy.
Everybody on enemy team: its just ONE damned ship!!!
USS Kid: Hold my beer! LEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOY JEEEEEEENKIIIIIIIIIIINS!!!!!!
A true brit, treating the colony's and commonwealth as equals as long as he's on top and now off to the salt mines, cheers from Canada
That was cathartic to watch, even having not played the game in years.
This mode was awesome for grinding tier 8 ships. Lost count of the amount of battles had no carriers in them. It was wonderful :D
You will grind much faster and with more fun T8 in Ops lol.
Sure it was, and wargaming actually listens to player feedback and cares about the players and wishes to provide a good experience with out gouging money from people at every possible turn
@@mirandela777 More fun maybe, but you dont grind faster. Ops give more exp than Co-Op, but significantly less than Randoms and this new game mode.
Plus Ops is way too dependant on the team playing the objective, which most just dont do, especially in Cherry Blossom.
@@richardwinstanley8219 - Dude I get 10-20k XP on op.s, and 500k - 1 million, credits, when performing decent.
"Plus Ops is way too dependant on the team playing the objective" - Random is way more, lol, here you get things right at contrary lol ! In Ops is only 7 guys, AND you know what you need to do. In random, you have way less control.
@@PaperiLiidokki - sarcasm 100% + 1000% from me :p
The good news is that WarGaming are bringing back all of the Tier V, VII, and IX aircraft carriers, such as Essex and Taihou, into the game as escort carriers. However, both Essex and Taihou are going to be at Tier X. Also, all American escort carriers, like Essex, will have access to air-dropped mines consumable that can damage subs whereas all Japanese aircraft carriers, like Taihou, get access to air-dropped smokescreens.
Sweet sweet justice. Good on ya for showing up and taking names.
The world will never be the same without u Jingles..big fan from EAC nairobi
Err Halland with the special captain will monster any CV. Mino's are also a good bet if you can stay alive long enough. The Kidd isn't the only ship that can give CVs a hard time
As a CV main, I can agree
and ship that can get into main gun range of a cv can give the cv a hard time. I have managed it in slow as excrement american battleships.
@@jaquigreenlees Also if the CV is tier 8 and doesn't have an armored flight deck, ends up in a tier 9 game, they need to be careful of Musashi with spotter plane. Several times I've had our CV spot the enemy CV, see they aren't moving and within one or two salvos suddenly there isn't an enemy CV anymore. Sadly if it's a Brit CV or against the tier 10s this isn't effective because they gave them armored flight decks...much sadge.
Yep.
Halland, petro and mino are some of the few surface ships capable of neutering a CV.
Petro actually excels with an AA build because if you can bait a CV into focusing you with the AA captain skill you get a significant reload boost for your radar and dfaa. Downside is no hydro, but it's a petro and that thing is a beast.
Halland is halland and eats planes for fun.
Mino is like petro in that it gets the extra range needed to deter a CV but personally I'd only take the AA flag and spec mino for your playstyle because unlike petro, mino likes to have quite a few skills.
@@luketfer new mexico, 1 broadside and full health serov went to the bottom.
pensicola, 2 full broadsides and full health serov went to the bottom.
both were my personal battles a while back.
you get a cv in range of your main guns and they are having a bad day.
this morning, ryujo went from full health to 25% with my dallas dumping he into her bows. then the sub on my team nailed her with a torp and she went to the bottom. victory as last ship on other team.
As a dalmatian I can't wait to hear that story! Greetings from Zadar, historical capital of Dalmatia!
"Kidd might be the only ship in this game that carriers might want to stay away from" - Friesland, Groningen and De Zeven Provincien want to know your location
Halland as well.
That ship is a no-fly zone.
Chesire is also one that can still do pretty good work in the AA department. Underrated tbh.
Sad Austin noises...
Almirante Grau and Worcester checking in…
Sandy has joined the battle
Okay Jingles BULL SHIT! As someone who dabbles into Carriers once in a while i can not let that comment on AA stand. The Black having the best AA? Not even at its Tier. There is someting called the Öland (Pan Euro DD T8) that actually IS an effectiv no Fly Zone. Followed by the Östergotland (T9) which is even more proficient at whiping out entire Squads in a matter of Seconds. The Kidd is more at the Level of the Kansas, the Harlem or the Harbin.
I will ALSO point out that the sea mines take fourty seconds to arm once they hit the water. Anything but the slowest battleship can absolutely clear the size of the minefield in 40 seconds if it goes full ahead.
Lol, Tillman designs get fucked
I' downloading WoWs...thanks to you Jingles, thank you good sir xD
Was playing a game with a couple buddies last year and they both went as Kidds and for all intents and purposes deplaned the enemy CV to the point that it could only ever send one or two planes out at a time.
20:00 Jingles giving fine life advice
Still got it - and so has the USS Kidd!
Boom! Boom!
I'm here all week.
I've been in my clemson (tier 3 destroyer) several times against different carriers and survived numerous engagements with successful kills on the carrier.
So jingles, it's not always a 1 way ticket to the bottom.
in today episode Jingles forgets Halland exist
Console Chad here, I've been playing Kidd since I got her, absolute beast against CVs.
11:50 "How dare you not sink"
I felt that in the depths of my soul
Edit: also he would have maybe been better off going after B instead of hunting CV's at this point
Jingles Lore never fails to impress.
I bought the Kidd specifically for it's insane AA back in the day, and because I went to University at LSU and have been on that ship 3 times. They nerfed AA, they buffed CVs, they made the Kidd stupid. Nice to see someone still plays her.
They used the Kidd for the Tom Hanks movie Greyhound. Great movie. Some anachronisms, later war techniques and equipment used in an early-war timeframe, but still a great movie.
20:10 You are absolutely correct here, Jingles. I wish I had followed this advice a couple of years ago 😢
Well....This is the first time in a while I have actually been on the edge of my seat, rooting for the kidd.
Split resident here. It is way better to live now in Split then in 90s, it is awesome, except for British tourists who are loud and pissing everywhere, albeit they are young and other tourists are same (French), but Brit girls are loudest and most drunk, but we love You all because we can charge you massive bills (borderline extortion) in restaurants and bars and you don't care :). Been your fan for a long time, you even featured my WoT replay once in LTTB, and i want to invite you to come to Dalmatia before it becomes to expensive to visit or live, didn't have opportunity before, now i have to defend Split.
7:35 I play Halland for the sole purpose of annoying CVs and that works pretty well. So no, Kidd is not the only ship CVs want to stay away from. 😬
That was the most disgusting display of carrier abuse I have seen in a few years.... I'm happy now. Nice to see them on the receiving end for once. Thank you!
Driven like possibly the best pirate I’ve ever seen 😂😂😂
I almost wished they’d make a Tom Hanks Greyhound captain for USS KIDD as it was the ship they used for the movie to be his Fletcher class DD
i actually like the japanese one with the smoke as it is actually useful being able to support a cruiser when you can drop smoke on him when needed.
Thanks for the insightful *tips* near the end of the video.
The Crazy/Hot scale never lies.
USS Kidd is one of my stress toys. Such a great little ship. The torpedoes are kinda crap but it’s a dedicated AA/gunboat and, in my opinion, it makes you a better destroyer player. It also has a heal which encourages brawling and active involvement as a destroyer.
Technically these are Fletcher torpedos, but only the stock torpedos which are the same as the "upgraded" Benson torpedos.
Yep Jingles, you nailed the Champagne pronounciation. It's a Gascogne like battlecruiser with triple 16' gun turrets instead of 15' quads and with less armor.
Actually Jingles, the Paneuropeans DDs with their AA are much more of a threat than the Kidd if memory serves.
Let's just say that Bâton Rouge got you Red Pinned, sort of.
Concealed manoeuvres was actually fun for driving my AA-only build Cleveland. Guaranteed carrier with every captain skill, upgrade, and flag I can possibly use for AA, even took the 4-point AA skill for +20% AA dmg instead of IFHE.
Jingles, Baton Rouge is my hometown. Nice to know we were in the same city at one point in our lives 🖖
Being an (now ex-) Baton Rouge native, I've spent more than one night aboard the Kidd with my scout troupe lo these many years past. Even for a naval enthusiast, I would say it's not worth the trip by itself - but it is a nice sideline between really good local food trips!
Very cool to hear we were in the same city at the same time, if only briefly and without any chance of having met or reason for knowing if we had - it really is a very small world, I suppose.
And yeah, the only thing crazier than a crazy southern woman is a crazy southern man.
slowly killing aircraft carriers, the best video I've ever seen
Tom Hanks recently starred in an apple original movie about the Kidd. it was shot on the ship as well. worth a watch.
That's some pretty crazy driving but it worked :)
you could say the spilts torpedos were split between him
It's been months since I last sailed my Petro, but I do remember that being the match where an IJN carrier sent plane after plane against me. Secured a cap, ran the carrier to ground, and somehow he only did a bit less than half damage. I remember it because not only was it the first time I got an AA Expert medal on that ship, but I also had over twice the number of plane kills for the medal. 'Course that doesn't mean Soviet ships have remarkable AA...the other guy could have just been bad.
I don't have the Kidd, but from own experience i'm quite satisfied with the Halland as an anti-aircraft-zone ship
The Split's torpedoes left a nice big gap in the middle ... they split nicely.
I love this gamemode for grinding shitty lines with good AA. Like the Dutch cruisers
good advice !! stay away from crazy .
That matchmaking is still not the worst I have seen. I was in a match once that was a full roster....but the most F'd up roster I{ have ever seen. 3 subs, 3 destroyers, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers and 2 battleships on BOTH teams! lol
oh boy oh boy 5am time for jingle
He may have talked the talk but he could walk the walk to, well done Garlicdrone
Shakespeare must be honored to be featured in a Jingles video
Always enjoy playing the Kidd; fun ship. I honestly think the D7 Provincien or however it's spelled has better AA though. Against anything other then a T10 cv it's almost a no fly zone.
The Lexington didn't cross drop him. He was attacked by both carriers at once.
A Lexington CAN cross drop though...if he does it right.
I remember the good old days, hiding behind islands in my Atlanta and wiping out entire strike groups.
Atlanta definitely can still be a no fly zone if youre up against T6 carriers. That infinite DFAA with a 60s cooldown (if you build for it) is outstanding
I used to respect people who could cross drop me, sure, it meant I was loosing all or at least most of my health. but it was hard to do so I respected them for it
Nice to hear a Darkfire reference... still remember her.
I greatly preferred the old RTS style of carrier gameplay. Because it felt like what managing a carrier would probably be like. Managing your squadrons, trying to coordinate the timing of your attacks to make the most use of them, having to be careful what you attacked because AA cruisers would make some attacks far too costly... And having to be careful about not depleting your plane reserves.
Instead, we got floating plane factories that can ignore AA as if it was just a cloud of bubbles and then nuke whatever they find.
This kind of shit is why I'm glad I stopped playing WoWs and WG games in general.
Using the word 'Kidd' and 'having too much sex' almost in the same sentence is wrong on many levels.
When I play, I purposely go after the carrier's. I avoid everybody else and hunt carrier's with the Montana
Concealed Maneuvers was actually kind of fun. Ok rewards. And fun battles, because no one really gave a shiet ;-) Very brawl like.
Thanks again Jingles. USCG ETC (Ret) sends.
Epic video, thanks!
9:04 this is one of those sentenses that seem mighty weird out of context.
Depends on whether the carrier is tier VIII or tier X, tier Xs will take out a kidd without too much problems... I didn't actually have a problem with how carriers worked before the rework - in the whole rock/paper/scissors thing it was very difficult (although not impossible) for a cv to hit a dd, dds could however be spotted by cvs and then they were dead if the enemy cruisers wanted to shoot. It was very hard for a dd to get to a carrier alive but in the occasion when it did (which was when the cv was pretty silly not to run away) then the dd could gun them down which I always thought was fair. Similarly I didn't really have a problem with cross dropping it took skill to do and if you had a manouverable enough ship you could thread between them, similarly you could use defensive fire to scatter the attacking planes so the torps would fire in a wide spread.