Got the leaf 62kwh and loved it over the model 3. I need a family car with hatchback not a racing car where you sit to low confort is to stiff. The range is perfect for me and forget supercharger in Canada they are almost inexistant. Kona and e-niro are priced way over the leaf here and I don't like the looksof them.
I'm on my third Leaf. First one (the 24KW) for three years, the second one (the 30KW) for three years and just got into my third one, the Leaf S Plus 62KW. Based on the type of driving I do, this is a really huge difference ( more than twice the range of my previous one. In my opinion worth the extra cost. If leaving my house with a full charge I no longer have to worry or even as much as think about having to charge remotely. I will charge if there's a free charger available where I may happen to be, but with this amount of range I am no longer absolutely dependent upon ever having to use public charging stations. A massive game changer for me and happy to rid myself of a lot of anxiety I had in the past. No longer the haunting questions like; Once I arrive, Will the chargers be working? Will one be available? Will there be someone (usually with a Tesla assuming the space is reserved for their EV to park in even if not using the charger) parked in the space I need to be able to reach the only available working charger? WIll I have to wait with for an already in use charger for the owner to return and unplug when he finishes juicing up? WIll I have to search looking for another charging station near by? No, is the answer to all the above questions It was worth the extra money to never have to worry or ever again have to think about those questions, unless I were to take a very long road trip. I say this because so far I have consistently been on track to getting 275-300 miles on a full charge (even though I never wait until empty to plug in). The computer gage when analyzing my driving date has consistently indicated that i'm going 4.5 + miles per KWH. I don't care how long of a road trip I go on, I never drive more than 400-500 miles a day. That means is a worst case scenario for me I would have one DC3/super charger stop to make each travel day to make that happen. I might do that once a year tops. Also, I found getting the Leaf "S" Plus that the car gets a few miles more range than the SV or SL. I am leasing this base model Leaf "S" Plus for hardly any more of a monthly payment than what I was quoted for the 40 KW version. Very neglidgeable monthly least price difference. In my experience, Nissan has been extremely conservative regarding their range estimates based on my driving conditions and habits. I couldn't more highly recommend this car, and so far am very happy!
I've now driven 32,000 miles in my Nissan Leaf 40kwh, rapid charged it more times than I can possibly remember, 250 mile trips are quite common, when I switched it on this morning after charging overnight it was showing 172 miles estimated range. I'd say Nissan have cracked the non-cooled battery technology, and if you do want to travel 500+ miles at motorway speeds the 62kwh Leaf+ should be ideal. Hopefully Nissan will release a Leaf++ next year and I'll happily trade in my Leaf 40khw for that. As for Chademo; apart from Ionity, all new rapid chargers I've seen include Chademo, so no problems there. My opinion on some others:- Zoe: Great, especially for the price (do they still have AC charging, or have they gone CCS?). Model 3: I don't want a sports car, or a laptop for a dash, and it looks a bit like the Mercedes with panoramic roof I once had (the Mercedes looked better). Kona: Too small, looks like a model of a bigger car, rather than just a small car, don't like the front end styling. Nero: Ok, but the boot's a bit small for the body size/style and I don't like the front end styling, and interior is ... well Kia. MG: Too early to tell on build quality and reliability. I-pace: Good alternative to Model S/3 if you don't really want a low down sports car (Model X is downright ugly!). ID3: Well, it looks like an e-Golf with a Nissan Leaf rear end, in fact if I squint a bit it is a Leaf!!. (Won't be needing a 75kwh GTI version either). Corsa Electric: Ahhh I like that, looks cute (will be the same 50kwh drive train as all the upcoming Vauxhall/Peugeot/DS group cars). Leaf: Got all the gizmos, love the e-pedal and pro-pilot, huge boot for the size of car, very comfy, reasonable styling, etc. e-Tron's and more expensive electric cars: Rather go on holidays. Leaf it is then!
I’ve had a Leaf30, currently have a Leaf40. Second hand Model S for me next. Nissans reluctance to go to active cooling is foolish. Shame because I love my Leaf.
@@AlopeLago Nissan went almost bankrupt, so I guess they are not yet able to fully support money losing EV tech just yet. It needs a few more battery breakthroughs.
@@EVOpinion I don't think that this necessarily the case. It is hugely expensive to develop a new vehicle (my dad worked in the motor industry). Market forces tend to dictate regular updates in the body shell and interior. Nissan originally chose to develop a ground up electric vehicle and being effectively a modern pioneer, must have spent a fortune and taken a massive punt on the vehicle selling. For Nissan, with the company's financial position, the likely scenario was that they were unable to fund another ground up development, yet being forced by the market to introduce a car with more range, new look etc. So, we have the new Leaf, which from the side is obviously the old leaf with a different front and rear stuck on, bigger batteries, more powerful motor and so on. It was an error to use this model in an attempt to market a premium EV, with price to match, though.
I put the Leaf to the top of the list, because you can buy one. The difference is all about the batteries, and both are in the showrooms now!! The Niro & the Kona do not exist for another 12/18 months!!! Ridiculous that they have held them back, and pushing Hybrids and ICE's instead.
I have just got my first Leaf and went for the e+ 62kWh model. Delighted with it and is ideal for local journeys. Yet to do a long Motorway trip, but looking forward to seeing if 200 miles plus is reality or myth. So far really enjoying it. My previous car was a Prius Hybrid.
Having done a long trip yet either, but it sounds like around 190 miles can be done at 70 mph in normal temperature from 100 to around 0. I think 150 is what most people would be willing to do at that speed and you can get further when driving slower, but obviously you'd get there slower. Still 300 miles on one fast is pretty good if you are willing to wait a while to get the battery up to 90%. Finding a chademo fast charger can be the hardest part depending on where you live.
Passive cooling is not an issue in Britain.. in the US where it’s roasting all summer.. then it’s a problem. It’s not the rapid charging that heats them up.. it’s the driving hard , stop and go quickly in hot weather that hurts them.. and lots of leafs here are badly degraded from the early versions.
If I was buying one it would be the 40 but I find them very boring now. If I could pick a car right now it would be the ID3 from VW. I do have a deposit on the MG which I like but I have many unanswered questions about it so still not sure. The Tesla model 3 is not for me, just don’t like that interior & I don’t like the list price & the extra tax that goes with it even more.
I am with you. It doesn't worth the extra money for the +20kWh unless you are sure you need to travel long distances. I am ready to move from ICE to EV, Leaf is my first option (I don’t like SUV) and with 40+40km commute routine and very few mid distance travels per year it doesn’t make sense to pay for extra Litium. Great video with very interesting considerations. And yes, Nissan needs a new EV ASAP!
I really hope Nissan update this model this year, I really love the range , but they really need to add reach to the steering wheel adjustment, and please please offer the light colour interior Nissan not everyone likes black
We love our Plus. Still much less expensive then the SR+ in the US after all the discounts. I have done 240 highway miles on a charge. One key is to put tires at 44psi per tyre sidewall, not 36 as in car door. I have done 400 miles with fast charging in 95F days without hitting rapidgate. Acceleration from 60-90mph is much stronger than the 40. The Kona and Niro are generally not available in most of the US, like the UK. Thank you for the video.
So many people have followed the Leaf for its nearly 10 year run to date. A very loyal following, or so it seems. With each iteration of this car, the available range has increased, but the evolution of this car is - gradual. Imagine being the owner of a 24 kWh Leaf, and you’re exposed to the range of a 30, or 40 kWh Leaf - up to double! Wow! That’s quite magnetic, knowing the restrictions of your current EV, and what you know it’s capable of - if you only had more. Each range expansion pulls in more people who think - that’s now a range I could live with, and the car is still quite good. It’s really cool that that the looks of the latest version are less polarizing, and the basic message this car offers hasn’t changed as this car has evolved. That shows how good the original was. The increase in range of the E+ version moves this car into the so called sweet spot - for range. But the price increase to get there is significant, and the perceived increased tech in the battery that should come along with that price - didn’t arrive. That 40 kWh version is still a good car overall for a daily driver. And it’s available. Until the market gets filled with “better” competitors, this one will still be doing ok.
Thanks for another thought provoking review. One of the things this has reminded me of is how the early V2G development is at its most advanced with Nissan and therefore the Chademo adapter (think Robert Llewelyn of Fully Charged is about to have one installed). Buying an EV (very happy Kona owner) has got me more interested in energy and electrification more generally and the possibility of buying a domestic battery whilst my wife’s looking at getting an EV too. If a functional V2G system was available then the Leaf could double as your domestic battery and save you several grand on purchasing a separate one fitted to in your house.
A good and fair review as usual. I am noticing on my travels small queues forming for Chademo charging, even at motorways, your news on manufacturers adopting CCS charging may be a bonus in the queuing stakes, long live Chademo...
Had over a dozen cars. The Leaf 62KWH I bought a few months ago was my choice. Don't do too many miles, and it is very comfortable and powerful enough. Cars are never perfect and neither is the Leaf. But It has been in production for many years, any initial worrisome bugs the car might had initially, buy now it has been eliminated, the price was a factor, or i would have gone for a model 3. I am very happy of the choice, and I would repeat the same decision. The many other EV competing cars in my opinion were just too new in the market, that was my main rationale for shooting strait for the Leaf, and in my opinion was the only wise decision to make. PS I will never let a salesman influence my decisions. I do my research before hand, then decide, and lastly i walk in the dealership and tell them to put the deal together for me to look up.
Thanks for the video again, as I have only elected to get the 40kwh on Monday! Tesla are big here is Victoria (Au) but I've yet to see a Leaf in the town I live in, not far from Melbourne.
im with you on this one, if i was to pick this or the 40kwh, the 40 would win all day long, even with the rapid gate issues. i heard the same with regards a small suv, think this is because of the success of the kona, e-niro and MG ZSEV in recent months. I believe nissan to be making the rest of the fleet mild hybrids according to the dealer in the next few years. Wish there would make the new mirca full Ev as i think this would compare well against the zoe, 208 and maybe even the ID3. With regards CHADEMO i agree think its coming to the end with most new cars now adopting CCS charging.
I've just got an ex demonstrator 62kW leaf. I'll use it for a couple of years but will then park it up in our soon to be built shed for V2G function. Charged by solar during the day runs our house at night.
I had to decide between this (with auto parking ;) ), the Kona, Sky trim and the eNiro. I chose leaf+. The eNiro doesn't have the blind-spot monitoring. The Kona is really unstable when accelerating hard, and space in the back and especially in the trunk is unsuitable for my family. Ended up paying 36500euro, with 5y warranty. Can't wait for the delivery.
Another great video. I’m surprised the range isn’t high. The Kona and e-Niro must have some amazing efficiency tricks when you compare the size of battery and range on them compared to the leaf and nearly every other EV
Just bought one very happy with it. Definately a consideration if you do more than 400 mile I think and have to rapid charge more than twice in your journey I think.
When you consider how many of these vehicles have been sold, and the numbers are very low, I'd agree there have been 'few' warranty claims over the battery. Passive cooling for the batteries is a poor engineering decision, it keeps the costs down but could add around £2000-3000 to the purchase price if implemented. While it might not be too much of a problem in the UK because of our ambient weather consider that we have had quite hot summers over the past few years. If you buy one make sure you sell it after 3 years. The next purchaser will still have a 2 year warranty left on the battery. Keep it for 5 and second hand value will drop as a replacement battery will probably be cost more than the car is worth.
I ended up buying the 40 kW h Leaf a few months ago for exactly the reasons you said at the end. I don’t need the extra range (it is a second car) and it was significantly cheaper. Compared to other males, it was the only vehicle I could buy off the lot, so that was another factor.
Nissan have lost the lead they had with EV's. The 40 kWh one is surpassed by 2 options, the MG ZS EV for SUV fans and the Hyundai Ionic 38 for saloon drivers, both with battery cooling. The Leaf + is against 2 strong Korean SUV's and the M3, all of which make a better job of battery utilisation. Next year there will be long range contenders from Vauxhall, VAG, Peugeot and Renault. Currently running a Leaf 30, and with an MG on order.
Mg is Chinese and has less tech, ionic has less tech too. The only thing the leaf misses out on is price. Yes liquid cooling is an issue but not as much as people make out. Only an issue if you want to drive a long distance at a fast speed regularly.
Thanks Ryan. Struggling to understand how the price of this car will enable it to compete against the Model 3, Kona, e-Niro and potentially the ID3 and Polestar - unless it’s purely down to availability. Even then I would either wait for one of the others or buy the 40 kWh version.
@@EVOpinion Wow my dealer in my country are great to deal with our Nissan Leaf. Remember this is a Japanese market car and they are still super popular there as a perfect city car. We can and do import cars from Japan and UK and the Nissan leaf is by far the most popular EV. We accept the more reliable non thermal cooling and have never had an issue with the car. I think people make to much of an issue with the thermal cooling, just as people know if you live in a hot country all year round or fast charge often then the Leaf is not for you. We like many other happy leaf owners imported ours from Japan at around 60% of the new price and in the 3 years of owning it we have paid off the purchase price in fuel savings alone! Ours is a 2014 brought in 2016
I have a 24kw Leaf - a groundbreaking car imho - something that neither of the newer Leafs will ever be. The only 40 or E+ Leaf I would buy would be a 2nd hand bargain in very good condition. The extra power is pointless in a vehicle that rewards careful driving, and the extra capacity doesn't make the occasional long journey much better if the charger backs off because the battery is too hot - might as well have shorter charges that are always rapid. And then there is the price. Electric Vehicle Man nailed this. So...no thank you 😀
I loved my Leaf Tekna, 80 miles was a bit of a scary thing so 200+ miles would be a boon, thing is our Zoe Q90 does around 160 - 180 mi per charge so I couldn't see me swapping for this new Leaf, if we were in the market I would be heading for a Model 3 just for the tech. Personally I would be looking for 250 to 300 mi range on any replacement EV, that would fit our needs perfectly, all these little 100 mi run arounds may be fine in the City or the shopping run but proper mileage needs real range, as I say thats my personal opinion, each to their own, the spin doctors trying to sell me a short range EV will be wasting their time...once the battery range has been cracked and prices drop they will be spinning long range EV's !
Me, shopping for a regular petrol car. Salesman: "We have a + version of the car you're looking at. It costs €8860 extra." Me: "Oh wow, that's a lot. What extra features does it have?" Salesman: "It has a larger fuel tank." Eh.. no thanks.
That's basically what I think, and I love the idea of EVs but the battery degrades and it puts me off, yes you can service it referb and that but it's like saying you buy an ice car and over time your fuel tank will shrink.... to the point where you lose about 100 miles of fuel range... I dunno it must be me overthinking
Extra money... for a bit more range and not much else. The market is becoming much more competitive and with no active thermal management... I would only consider this as a second vehicle at a deep discount, but it that is the case, I would get a used Leaf and save much more and buy something that gives me the ability to rapid charge, go further and have a better style and options built in. It's time for Nissan to upgrade their EV offerings, they are no longer the only affordable option.
In 2019 I bought a used 2016 30 kWh LEAF (SL). I paaid $15k for a car that retailed for 37k 3 years earlier. I am anxious to buy a 62 kWh LEAF in a year or two. Buy a low mileage used one when it is 2-3 years old and the price is half that of new (in USA). I still like the LEAF. I would consider the BOLT for my next car, but I've heard too many complaints about the seats and I'm not a slim person. I would not buy a Model 3 because I want more open cargo space than a sedan offers. The Model Y is outside my budget. The other e-cars are rare in the central US, so those two are basically my choice. Thanks for your videos and your opinions.
i was looking at a leaf vs a kona but 150 miles of range isnt enough especially when you kick on heating in the winter - the kona guesstimates 40 miles of lost range if you leave the heater on at medium high setting which will be necessary for new england winters where it gets below 0f a number of times. i would barely be able to make it to my dads house (110 miles away) or i'd have to stop to charge. battery degradation because of the lack of cooling is also a worrying possibility. for the money the kona and niro (if you can get them now in this nutty market) are good value / range / pack longevity propositions.
With the 60kWh battery, rapid charging shouldn't be an issue. Let's say you can get 220 miles per charge then you would need to be driving over 400 miles per day to run into issues and most normal people don't even get close to that distance in a single day and if they do it's a once a year drive in which case they'll have to put up with an extra 30 mins charging time. That said Nissan are off the pace now and I agree with the video, I wouldn't be spending my money on that car, the competition have moved ahead of Nissan. Also not sure there are any CHAdeMO in the UK which go over 50kWh???
I have done 400 miles in an afternoon on a hot day (95F) with AC and not hit Rapidgate. There are limits, but you have to try hard to hit it. Leeds has a faster Chademo
What’s with the passive cooling? One of Nissan’s initial given reasons for ‘Rapidgate’, was that they didn’t see the Leaf owner going on longer journeys. But now they’ve increased the battery pack, with the main aim, being greater range. So if Nissan are now recognising their Leaf customers may take longer journeys, I can’t fathom why they stuck with the passive cooling. As to saloon or hatchback or SUV. I’m not that fussed. Though I much prefer a hatchback or SUV with a hatchback. Purely for easy of loading/unloading. I drive one of three vehicles. Two are hatchbacks, the other a booted saloon. One of the hatchbacks, (Punto) and the saloon have load volumes similar to the Kona. But the saloon is literally a pain in the back to fully load/unload. The other hatchback, (Mondeo) has great access to the truly cavernous boot. And given my current needs, I need load volume on the larger side. Which is one of the reasons I’m drawn to the eNiro. Though it’s probable new price tag, (together with the Kona Electric) is just too much. Neither of them is a £40k car.
I prefer this new e+ (62 Kwh) model which provides a better range and autonomy than the 40 Kwh version. The price is higher but it remains reasonable. Of course we have now the Kia and Hyundai offer with 64 Kwh and liquid cooled battery with a comparable price however the Leaf as a sedan/hatchback appears to me more versatile. The Kia/Hyundai are better choice if these cars will be used often on highways with long distance trips, in this case the battery liquid cooling system will be (more or less) required. Interesting video. Many thanks.
As a 40kw Leaf owner would i buy a 64kw Leaf for the extra range, no would be the answer. I think they have priced their self out of the market, with a Kona and e-Niro offering a better range and more importantly with battery management on the odd chance you go on long trips or abroad. If you can suffer the smaller room then for me the 52kw Zoe is the one to go for, with what i think will be 200+ mile range summer of winter (depending on driving style) and will added 22kw AC charging when all the DC chargers are full.
The Leaf, e-Golf and the 38.6kwh Ioniq are on my list. The Leaf is still tops on my list cause of interior room and cargo space. But the lower price of the Ioniq's and the quality and styling of the e-Golf keep swaying my vote between the 3 cars. But to choose between the 2 Leaf models I'd pick the 40kwh SV trim simply because I don't need the range.
If you're going to compare hatch to hatch, the only advantages I see in the Leaf+ over the Niro, Kona & Zoe 50 are availability and cargo capacity. Any other factor, I would guess, would be personal style preference and brand loyalty. I mean, people still buy American made/brand cars, so you can't really predict what people will prefer.
I have LEAF 2017 30kWh now. If I had to choose between 40kWh vs 62kWh LEAF, I'd pick the latter, and willing to pay the extra cost to get the longer range. But if Kona Electric or Kia Niro EV was in the picture, I'd pick either of those, since they have even longer range and active liquid battery cooling.
I drive the 1st gen i3, my colleague used to have the 1st gen ZOE. Both cars similar age and mileage. She had to get rid of it though and switch back to petrol because the battery started degrading etc., whereas my i3 still easily gets 80 miles on a charge. That just reaffirmed my belief that paying extra for a proper thermal management system isn’t just a nice thing to have but an absolute necessity if you want to keep your car long-term.
Darcer's Tech definitely an issue will the smaller batteries but is it such a problem with one this size? I’m with you and believe they should have active thermal management on them but I’m also willing to see how they degrade over the coming years and see if Nissan were right to leave it out?????
EV Opinion Don’t think it will be much better. Maybe less of an annoyance if you only drive short journeys but the cells don’t seem to be any better. Otherwise Nissan wouldn’t throttle the charging speed and just let them get hotter. Don’t know why they didn’t include at least air cooling. Better than nothing.
I’ve been driving Leafs since 2014 and I ordered a 62kWh one in May. When they told me I’d be waiting until October, I looked at what else I could get and cancelled the order in favour of a Tesla Model 3 which I collected in August. I miss the speed limiter and the 360° parking camera but everything else about the car is fantastic.
Remember that the battery heats up on use. So if you go down the motorway first then charge the first charge will be stepped down. I got rid of my 40kw leaf as if was a poor performer and had multiple faults.
2019 plus...love the 62 kwh battery...if and when... it degrades... I still have plenty of range left for my intended use....this is never talked about.....everyone relax with the no TMS...this battery pack doesn't need it for normal commuters in US.
Having the bigger battery is a considerable advantage, because even if rising battery temps reduce the speed of the 3rd rapid charge, you can still travel a very long way. This is of course the great advantage of the E-Niro. However, both the E-Nino, which Imown and the Kona have a problem with repeated rapid charging, despite liquid thermal cooling. At least with Nissan you can see the battery temp, which with the others you cannot. t present there is a lot of support for the MG EV but despite having liquid thermal cooling nobody has yet reported on successive rapid recharging speeds with that car. Whilst Nissan have made some mistakes, it seems they have been vilified when others with the same issues have not. Even the VW E-Golf did not have liquid thermal cooling, but there was no outcry about that. In the circumstances nobody has yet shown conclusively that liquid thermal cooling produces better results - the batteries still will get hot. I wonder if other manufacturers that don't allow you to see the battery temp will have shortened battery lives or the same issue with successive rapid charging? Despite the price, the Leaf has several advantages, easily overlooked. First the all round cameras for parallel parking are a considerable boon. Also the e-Niro does not have
Personally, I love the leaf but with better options (e-niro for me), it's a hard sell. Chademo also kinda kills it for me, when we leave town we do 200+ miles so I'd definitely need the extra range. Plus, the e-niro gauges are cool and as silly as it sounds, the way the gauges look really play a huge role in what I purchase. Now I just have to find an e-niro in the USA lol
Disagree, the battery in a our 24kwh leaf dropped very sharply after 30k and 2 years. Was having to drive at 56mph everywhere to get 70 miles out of it. Passive cooling is a terrible idea for cells, especially when the cells are packed on top of each other.
I am hoping to upgrade my 2015 Leaf to a 40 kWh battery very shortly. That will cost me € 5000 but will extend the life of my current car and will mean a practical range of 200 km in winter ;-)
The range is better for Australian drivers, but the lack of active thermal management of the batteries is not going to work for our 40C+ summers. Unless Nissan can guarantee they will change the battery for free every 160000km (which given the recent news that a Nissan dealership tried to charge a customer $33000 for a new pack that was still in warranty) then they need to include a system that would only add a couple of grand to the cost of the car.
Yeah they work fine over here in NZ as its cooler. My Leaf is ex JDM thats where most in NZ come from, very happy with mine has done 110 thousand Kms and just dropped to 10 bars recently
I heard there are a lot of first gen Leafs there in NZ, but also you guys have someone who can put renovated batteries as well as bigger battery packs in the first gen which is pretty awesome.
Very good video review, thank you. For me, the Nissan Leaf styling is pleasing and balanced. Ten years from now, I believe it will still be a good looking car. Considering that, I must say, I just don't care for the styling of the Tesla Model 3 or the Model Y, they are too generic, almost to the point of bland/ugliness. Near daily, I see a couple of Model 3's in the parking lot at work; and I've stopped to examine them numerous times. Sure, I can appreciate the Model 3 drive system & cameras that make it a technological superior car, but it just doesn't attract my I eye and it's rather squatty. So my ideal car would look more like the Nissan Leaf, with the Tesla tech installed. I'm hoping that both manufacturers work hard on their product in the direction that will convince me it's time to buy one. Meanwhile I'll keep saving my income and continue with a faithful 264,000+ statue mile, 2009 Toyota Corolla XLE daily driver. 'Fun fact: It was built in the former GM/Toyota NUUMI plant...at Fremont California...j
Agreed that it will still look good in 10 years. I'm hoping a battery replacement option will be affordable by then as the rest of the car seems built to last other than being dated.
Customer being shafted by NISSAN Phillip Carlson bought a Nissan Leaf in August 2012, which cost about $53,500. It’s seven years old today, and it’s worth maybe $12,000 - if you can find someone dumb enough to buy it. Let’s let him tell the story. “I bought an electric car from Nissan with 5 years warranty on the battery. They claimed 175km range. From new I only ever got 120km. Now I can BARELY get 35-40km during winter or even 25km if I use the heater. The warranty says the battery is bad if it drops to 8 out of 12 bars, which mine has. “I took it in and they claim the battery is totally fine and there’s nothing wrong with it and gave me a $33,000 invoice for a new one!!!!! Nissan just won’t listen and I’ve run out of all hope. I paid $53,500 for this car and it’s pretty useless now.” - Phillip Carlson
Nice copy and paste. What currency is it you talking about Australian $ ? And I have 8 year old diesel car got it new for £ 13k its worth maybe £3 k now cars tend to lose value over time.
@@xperyskop2475 yes Australian Dollar, courtesy of the aussy knome John Cadogan. I'm in uk. They can all shove their electric junk down the thunderbox and jump in after them.
Ryan, after the October 2019 Australian scandal of Nissan quoting the equivalent of £18000 for a Leaf battery replacement needed because of their lack of cooling design fault, I don't see why anyone would buy a Nissan EV. Their current software tweaks because of Rapid Gate just means second hand buyers a few years down the line will need replacement traction batteries far sooner, and Nissan can fleece them too for replacements. The current Leaf interior and lack of battery management go back to a design now ten years old and are not acceptable in a new car of 2019, so I wouldn't buy ANY Leaf now, new or second hand, and especially not this almost Tesla-priced creation.
I agree CHAdeMO is the soon becomming "the Beta Max" for charger in Europe. But there are plans to develop V2G standard for CCS, equalizing that advantage within a few years insideevs.com/news/342354/charin-ccs-combo-standard-to-offer-v2g-by-2025/ it seems to be more common to build dual standard or CCS only, and rarly CHAdeMO only. CCS will (in my oppinion) be a much better (or at least eqyally good) choise for trips (except in Estonia). You mentioned (and compared) to e-Niro and Kona. I think the Model 3 SR+ is an alternative too, starting at £39,490. And estimated delivery in November. TM3, being a sedan is pretty different, but for those of us wanting/requiring a tow hitch (+£1000), I think TM3SR+ is the "only"/best option, unless you want to pay a lot more.
We should all thank nissan for their work on the previous Leafs, however although the 60 is better in the sense that its more range, the car has been upgraded once too offen. If the battery technology had made a massive leap forward then increase the battery capacity. The problem is Nissan had a problem when the moved to the 40, I dont think they physically fixed it, just software fixed it so it doesnt look like theres a problem. Now they have increased the battery size by another third! The car is still brillant, well built and reliable. why dont Nissan get the price down to under 20K with 200 miles range, it would make a great city car, commuting car for anyone commuting 50 -100 miles a day still with 100 miles for running around.
Nissan Leaf needs a price drop to be a seller . Face lift did make it more normal but rapidgate will effect resale value , depreciation and charging system chademo bi directional system a red herring . Who needs to have a battery to give electricity to your house unless you live in Japan and nuclear goes down. Competing with a Tesla not good, should be less than the real completion nero , kona and Ioniq though the new Ioniq seems to have taken a step backwards. Suppose the fact that the completion is delayed means they can charge more but for this money , buy an MG and a Zoe
It's become like buying mobile phones. It will always come another model that's better which make you glance in envy to your neighbor who got one of those. The endgame of the thinking process before you finally invest in a new car is to choose the car you need and not the car that fills your ego. I know it's difficult but nevertheless.
The car is fine, better than fine but without proper thermal management of the battery I would not touch one with a barge pole. Then there is the whole lock up your boss on some questionable grounds that sound more like a boardroom coup than fiscal responsibility to me.
@@Tore_Lund Yeah my wife was looking at a Note E-Power one of the longest range non plug-in hybrids it uses the Leaf electric motor and a small 1.2 lt petrol engine as a generator only supplying power to the small battery.
@@gregandkaruna6674 Nice, but I still would like to charge the small battery from a socket, but otherwise use the engine when touring Europe once or twice a year. How samll was it? like the Micra or bigger?
@@Tore_Lund Where I live currently full EV and plug-in hybrids are exempt from road user charges however unless that is extended that runs out at the end of 2021. Non plug-in hybrids will always be exempt. So the e-power setup with it's up to 1200 km on just 47 lt of fuel is not bad. The e-power Note is similar size to the Leaf
04:10 : ' It's not fast by any stretch of the imagination ' Dude, if you just want to be negative and bitch about the Leaf, just say it. Not fast? I see almost any car disappear in my rearview mirror with ease if I want. No, it's not a sports car, it's meant to be a relaxing and comfortable car. But if you step on the pedal it's damn fast.
I was at exactly this decission siutation and decided to go with the e-Golf, due to the massive number of new CCS-stations and no Chademo ones in Germany. The e-Golf is a well build car and fits perfect for my commute and also trips up to 200-300 miles are not a real problem.
China are going ChaDeMo, that's a massive market, 18.5% of the world's population right there, might end up with different dominant standards in different parts of the world.
40kwh Leaf with Propilot like the Tesla supports hands light driving and safety system where if it's set on Propilot or in Tesla Autopilot and you become unconscious though it will try and wake you and if unsuccessful stop with the hazard lights on. No other system can do that! And that's a big selling point to me!
@@chrispotts969 MG is super popular in Thailand, I am just not sure I am prepared to trust a Chinese made car yet, think they are still where the Koreans were 20 years ago.
@@gregandkaruna6674 Maybe, time will tell. People who have them over here in uk are seeing really good range... The 163 mile range seems a little conservative
@@chrispotts969 Please prove me wrong the more EV the better, maybe I have only looked at the Geely and Chery, maybe I am being unfair? Although we did drive in a BYD EV taxi in Singapore and that seemed ok
Agree on the MSRP, but it seems like Nissan the dealership will lower the price and the Nissan will through in cash rebates in addition to any state or federal tax breaks. It's the tax breaks that keeps the price listed so high.
Is terribly overpriced ( you can get it for close to £33k if you shop around ). Only one thing that sells them is availability. From next January they will have to drop price bellow £30k or they go extinct
Such a lazy designed Car. Instead of a total refresh and freshness it’s the same old box, interior that goes further. Look at that new Zoe now that’s moving forward and addressed the niggles and things customers wanted.
Got the leaf 62kwh and loved it over the model 3. I need a family car with hatchback not a racing car where you sit to low confort is to stiff. The range is perfect for me and forget supercharger in Canada they are almost inexistant. Kona and e-niro are priced way over the leaf here and I don't like the looksof them.
Hi ev opinion
I've had the leaf + for 2 months now and it's incredible if you want to do 240 MLS to a charge it's fabulous
I'm on my third Leaf. First one (the 24KW) for three years, the second one (the 30KW) for three years and just got into my third one, the Leaf S Plus 62KW. Based on the type of driving I do, this is a really huge difference ( more than twice the range of my previous one. In my opinion worth the extra cost. If leaving my house with a full charge I no longer have to worry or even as much as think about having to charge remotely. I will charge if there's a free charger available where I may happen to be, but with this amount of range I am no longer absolutely dependent upon ever having to use public charging stations. A massive game changer for me and happy to rid myself of a lot of anxiety I had in the past. No longer the haunting questions like; Once I arrive, Will the chargers be working? Will one be available? Will there be someone (usually with a Tesla assuming the space is reserved for their EV to park in even if not using the charger) parked in the space I need to be able to reach the only available working charger? WIll I have to wait with for an already in use charger for the owner to return and unplug when he finishes juicing up? WIll I have to search looking for another charging station near by? No, is the answer to all the above questions It was worth the extra money to never have to worry or ever again have to think about those questions, unless I were to take a very long road trip. I say this because so far I have consistently been on track to getting 275-300 miles on a full charge (even though I never wait until empty to plug in). The computer gage when analyzing my driving date has consistently indicated that i'm going 4.5 + miles per KWH. I don't care how long of a road trip I go on, I never drive more than 400-500 miles a day. That means is a worst case scenario for me I would have one DC3/super charger stop to make each travel day to make that happen. I might do that once a year tops. Also, I found getting the Leaf "S" Plus that the car gets a few miles more range than the SV or SL. I am leasing this base model Leaf "S" Plus for hardly any more of a monthly payment than what I was quoted for the 40 KW version. Very neglidgeable monthly least price difference. In my experience, Nissan has been extremely conservative regarding their range estimates based on my driving conditions and habits. I couldn't more highly recommend this car, and so far am very happy!
I've now driven 32,000 miles in my Nissan Leaf 40kwh, rapid charged it more times than I can possibly remember, 250 mile trips are quite common, when I switched it on this morning after charging overnight it was showing 172 miles estimated range. I'd say Nissan have cracked the non-cooled battery technology, and if you do want to travel 500+ miles at motorway speeds the 62kwh Leaf+ should be ideal.
Hopefully Nissan will release a Leaf++ next year and I'll happily trade in my Leaf 40khw for that.
As for Chademo; apart from Ionity, all new rapid chargers I've seen include Chademo, so no problems there.
My opinion on some others:-
Zoe: Great, especially for the price (do they still have AC charging, or have they gone CCS?).
Model 3: I don't want a sports car, or a laptop for a dash, and it looks a bit like the Mercedes with panoramic roof I once had (the Mercedes looked better).
Kona: Too small, looks like a model of a bigger car, rather than just a small car, don't like the front end styling.
Nero: Ok, but the boot's a bit small for the body size/style and I don't like the front end styling, and interior is ... well Kia.
MG: Too early to tell on build quality and reliability.
I-pace: Good alternative to Model S/3 if you don't really want a low down sports car (Model X is downright ugly!).
ID3: Well, it looks like an e-Golf with a Nissan Leaf rear end, in fact if I squint a bit it is a Leaf!!. (Won't be needing a 75kwh GTI version either).
Corsa Electric: Ahhh I like that, looks cute (will be the same 50kwh drive train as all the upcoming Vauxhall/Peugeot/DS group cars).
Leaf: Got all the gizmos, love the e-pedal and pro-pilot, huge boot for the size of car, very comfy, reasonable styling, etc.
e-Tron's and more expensive electric cars: Rather go on holidays.
Leaf it is then!
I’ve had a Leaf30, currently have a Leaf40. Second hand Model S for me next. Nissans reluctance to go to active cooling is foolish. Shame because I love my Leaf.
Adam Tucker it seems they are happy to sit back after being so forward thinking initially
@@EVOpinion That bothers me so much. Literally first on the scene from a mass market outlook and then did nothing with it.
@@AlopeLago Nissan went almost bankrupt, so I guess they are not yet able to fully support money losing EV tech just yet. It needs a few more battery breakthroughs.
@@EVOpinion I don't think that this necessarily the case. It is hugely expensive to develop a new vehicle (my dad worked in the motor industry). Market forces tend to dictate regular updates in the body shell and interior. Nissan originally chose to develop a ground up electric vehicle and being effectively a modern pioneer, must have spent a fortune and taken a massive punt on the vehicle selling. For Nissan, with the company's financial position, the likely scenario was that they were unable to fund another ground up development, yet being forced by the market to introduce a car with more range, new look etc. So, we have the new Leaf, which from the side is obviously the old leaf with a different front and rear stuck on, bigger batteries, more powerful motor and so on. It was an error to use this model in an attempt to market a premium EV, with price to match, though.
Once the Tesla warranty has expired, then they become hugely expensive to maintain as the parts can only be obtained from Tesla!
I put the Leaf to the top of the list, because you can buy one.
The difference is all about the batteries, and both are in the showrooms now!!
The Niro & the Kona do not exist for another 12/18 months!!!
Ridiculous that they have held them back, and pushing Hybrids and ICE's instead.
I have just got my first Leaf and went for the e+ 62kWh model. Delighted with it and is ideal for local journeys. Yet to do a long Motorway trip, but looking forward to seeing if 200 miles plus is reality or myth. So far really enjoying it. My previous car was a Prius Hybrid.
Having done a long trip yet either, but it sounds like around 190 miles can be done at 70 mph in normal temperature from 100 to around 0. I think 150 is what most people would be willing to do at that speed and you can get further when driving slower, but obviously you'd get there slower. Still 300 miles on one fast is pretty good if you are willing to wait a while to get the battery up to 90%. Finding a chademo fast charger can be the hardest part depending on where you live.
Passive cooling is not an issue in Britain.. in the US where it’s roasting all summer.. then it’s a problem. It’s not the rapid charging that heats them up.. it’s the driving hard , stop and go quickly in hot weather that hurts them.. and lots of leafs here are badly degraded from the early versions.
In the States, I got the 2021 Nissan LEAF SV Plus and I absolutely love it.
If I was buying one it would be the 40 but I find them very boring now. If I could pick a car right now it would be the ID3 from VW. I do have a deposit on the MG which I like but I have many unanswered questions about it so still not sure. The Tesla model 3 is not for me, just don’t like that interior & I don’t like the list price & the extra tax that goes with it even more.
I am with you. It doesn't worth the extra money for the +20kWh unless you are sure you need to travel long distances.
I am ready to move from ICE to EV, Leaf is my first option (I don’t like SUV) and with 40+40km commute routine and very few mid distance travels per year it doesn’t make sense to pay for extra Litium.
Great video with very interesting considerations.
And yes, Nissan needs a new EV ASAP!
It's too big for us so we'd go for the new top of the range Zoe 52kw. Better range and cheaper too.
I really hope Nissan update this model this year, I really love the range , but they really need to add reach to the steering wheel adjustment, and please please offer the light colour interior Nissan not everyone likes black
We love our Plus. Still much less expensive then the SR+ in the US after all the discounts. I have done 240 highway miles on a charge. One key is to put tires at 44psi per tyre sidewall, not 36 as in car door. I have done 400 miles with fast charging in 95F days without hitting rapidgate. Acceleration from 60-90mph is much stronger than the 40.
The Kona and Niro are generally not available in most of the US, like the UK. Thank you for the video.
The price in the UK for the car is shameful though.
So many people have followed the Leaf for its nearly 10 year run to date. A very loyal following, or so it seems. With each iteration of this car, the available range has increased, but the evolution of this car is - gradual. Imagine being the owner of a 24 kWh Leaf, and you’re exposed to the range of a 30, or 40 kWh Leaf - up to double! Wow! That’s quite magnetic, knowing the restrictions of your current EV, and what you know it’s capable of - if you only had more. Each range expansion pulls in more people who think - that’s now a range I could live with, and the car is still quite good. It’s really cool that that the looks of the latest version are less polarizing, and the basic message this car offers hasn’t changed as this car has evolved. That shows how good the original was. The increase in range of the E+ version moves this car into the so called sweet spot - for range. But the price increase to get there is significant, and the perceived increased tech in the battery that should come along with that price - didn’t arrive. That 40 kWh version is still a good car overall for a daily driver. And it’s available. Until the market gets filled with “better” competitors, this one will still be doing ok.
Thanks for another thought provoking review. One of the things this has reminded me of is how the early V2G development is at its most advanced with Nissan and therefore the Chademo adapter (think Robert Llewelyn of Fully Charged is about to have one installed). Buying an EV (very happy Kona owner) has got me more interested in energy and electrification more generally and the possibility of buying a domestic battery whilst my wife’s looking at getting an EV too. If a functional V2G system was available then the Leaf could double as your domestic battery and save you several grand on purchasing a separate one fitted to in your house.
A good and fair review as usual. I am noticing on my travels small queues forming for Chademo charging, even at motorways, your news on manufacturers adopting CCS charging may be a bonus in the queuing stakes, long live Chademo...
Had over a dozen cars. The Leaf 62KWH I bought a few months ago was my choice. Don't do too many miles, and it is very comfortable and powerful enough. Cars are never perfect and neither is the Leaf. But It has been in production for many years, any initial worrisome bugs the car might had initially, buy now it has been eliminated, the price was a factor, or i would have gone for a model 3. I am very happy of the choice, and I would repeat the same decision. The many other EV competing cars in my opinion were just too new in the market, that was my main rationale for shooting strait for the Leaf, and in my opinion was the only wise decision to make. PS I will never let a salesman influence my decisions. I do my research before hand, then decide, and lastly i walk in the dealership and tell them to put the deal together for me to look up.
Thanks for the video again, as I have only elected to get the 40kwh on Monday! Tesla are big here is Victoria (Au) but I've yet to see a Leaf in the town I live in, not far from Melbourne.
im with you on this one, if i was to pick this or the 40kwh, the 40 would win all day long, even with the rapid gate issues. i heard the same with regards a small suv, think this is because of the success of the kona, e-niro and MG ZSEV in recent months. I believe nissan to be making the rest of the fleet mild hybrids according to the dealer in the next few years. Wish there would make the new mirca full Ev as i think this would compare well against the zoe, 208 and maybe even the ID3. With regards CHADEMO i agree think its coming to the end with most new cars now adopting CCS charging.
Chademo is everywhere in Japan it's main market, so not going anywhere soon, however exported models can easily change that to CCS.
How could anyone buy a car from a manufacturer that chooses not to make there product better or as good as the competition ...
I've just got an ex demonstrator 62kW leaf. I'll use it for a couple of years but will then park it up in our soon to be built shed for V2G function. Charged by solar during the day runs our house at night.
I had to decide between this (with auto parking ;) ), the Kona, Sky trim and the eNiro. I chose leaf+. The eNiro doesn't have the blind-spot monitoring. The Kona is really unstable when accelerating hard, and space in the back and especially in the trunk is unsuitable for my family. Ended up paying 36500euro, with 5y warranty. Can't wait for the delivery.
Another great video. I’m surprised the range isn’t high. The Kona and e-Niro must have some amazing efficiency tricks when you compare the size of battery and range on them compared to the leaf and nearly every other EV
Just bought one very happy with it. Definately a consideration if you do more than 400 mile I think and have to rapid charge more than twice in your journey I think.
When you consider how many of these vehicles have been sold, and the numbers are very low, I'd agree there have been 'few' warranty claims over the battery. Passive cooling for the batteries is a poor engineering decision, it keeps the costs down but could add around £2000-3000 to the purchase price if implemented. While it might not be too much of a problem in the UK because of our ambient weather consider that we have had quite hot summers over the past few years. If you buy one make sure you sell it after 3 years. The next purchaser will still have a 2 year warranty left on the battery. Keep it for 5 and second hand value will drop as a replacement battery will probably be cost more than the car is worth.
I ended up buying the 40 kW h Leaf a few months ago for exactly the reasons you said at the end. I don’t need the extra range (it is a second car) and it was significantly cheaper. Compared to other males, it was the only vehicle I could buy off the lot, so that was another factor.
Nissan have lost the lead they had with EV's. The 40 kWh one is surpassed by 2 options, the MG ZS EV for SUV fans and the Hyundai Ionic 38 for saloon drivers, both with battery cooling. The Leaf + is against 2 strong Korean SUV's and the M3, all of which make a better job of battery utilisation.
Next year there will be long range contenders from Vauxhall, VAG, Peugeot and Renault.
Currently running a Leaf 30, and with an MG on order.
Mg is Chinese and has less tech, ionic has less tech too. The only thing the leaf misses out on is price. Yes liquid cooling is an issue but not as much as people make out. Only an issue if you want to drive a long distance at a fast speed regularly.
Thanks Ryan. Struggling to understand how the price of this car will enable it to compete against the Model 3, Kona, e-Niro and potentially the ID3 and Polestar - unless it’s purely down to availability. Even then I would either wait for one of the others or buy the 40 kWh version.
I think they can only do it while the Niro and Kona are supply constrained.
Sadly the charging issue: rapid gate and a lack of customer service has swayed me away from Nissan
Apple Pie I have to agree. The customer service at my dealer has gone down hill ☹️
@@EVOpinion Wow my dealer in my country are great to deal with our Nissan Leaf.
Remember this is a Japanese market car and they are still super popular there as a perfect city car. We can and do import cars from Japan and UK and the Nissan leaf is by far the most popular EV.
We accept the more reliable non thermal cooling and have never had an issue with the car. I think people make to much of an issue with the thermal cooling, just as people know if you live in a hot country all year round or fast charge often then the Leaf is not for you.
We like many other happy leaf owners imported ours from Japan at around 60% of the new price and in the 3 years of owning it we have paid off the purchase price in fuel savings alone!
Ours is a 2014 brought in 2016
For Nissan, Leaf represents a very small % of their business......and it shows.
For Tesla it’s 100% of their business..........and it shows.
I have a 24kw Leaf - a groundbreaking car imho - something that neither of the newer Leafs will ever be. The only 40 or E+ Leaf I would buy would be a 2nd hand bargain in very good condition. The extra power is pointless in a vehicle that rewards careful driving, and the extra capacity doesn't make the occasional long journey much better if the charger backs off because the battery is too hot - might as well have shorter charges that are always rapid.
And then there is the price. Electric Vehicle Man nailed this.
So...no thank you 😀
I loved my Leaf Tekna, 80 miles was a bit of a scary thing so 200+ miles would be a boon, thing is our Zoe Q90 does around 160 - 180 mi per charge so I couldn't see me swapping for this new Leaf, if we were in the market I would be heading for a Model 3 just for the tech. Personally I would be looking for 250 to 300 mi range on any replacement EV, that would fit our needs perfectly, all these little 100 mi run arounds may be fine in the City or the shopping run but proper mileage needs real range, as I say thats my personal opinion, each to their own, the spin doctors trying to sell me a short range EV will be wasting their time...once the battery range has been cracked and prices drop they will be spinning long range EV's !
Me, shopping for a regular petrol car.
Salesman: "We have a + version of the car you're looking at. It costs €8860 extra."
Me: "Oh wow, that's a lot. What extra features does it have?"
Salesman: "It has a larger fuel tank."
Eh.. no thanks.
That's basically what I think, and I love the idea of EVs but the battery degrades and it puts me off, yes you can service it referb and that but it's like saying you buy an ice car and over time your fuel tank will shrink.... to the point where you lose about 100 miles of fuel range... I dunno it must be me overthinking
Well with an EV that IS an issue, isn't it?
Extra money... for a bit more range and not much else. The market is becoming much more competitive and with no active thermal management... I would only consider this as a second vehicle at a deep discount, but it that is the case, I would get a used Leaf and save much more and buy something that gives me the ability to rapid charge, go further and have a better style and options built in. It's time for Nissan to upgrade their EV offerings, they are no longer the only affordable option.
In 2019 I bought a used 2016 30 kWh LEAF (SL). I paaid $15k for a car that retailed for 37k 3 years earlier. I am anxious to buy a 62 kWh LEAF in a year or two. Buy a low mileage used one when it is 2-3 years old and the price is half that of new (in USA). I still like the LEAF. I would consider the BOLT for my next car, but I've heard too many complaints about the seats and I'm not a slim person. I would not buy a Model 3 because I want more open cargo space than a sedan offers. The Model Y is outside my budget. The other e-cars are rare in the central US, so those two are basically my choice. Thanks for your videos and your opinions.
i was looking at a leaf vs a kona but 150 miles of range isnt enough especially when you kick on heating in the winter - the kona guesstimates 40 miles of lost range if you leave the heater on at medium high setting which will be necessary for new england winters where it gets below 0f a number of times. i would barely be able to make it to my dads house (110 miles away) or i'd have to stop to charge. battery degradation because of the lack of cooling is also a worrying possibility. for the money the kona and niro (if you can get them now in this nutty market) are good value / range / pack longevity propositions.
With the 60kWh battery, rapid charging shouldn't be an issue. Let's say you can get 220 miles per charge then you would need to be driving over 400 miles per day to run into issues and most normal people don't even get close to that distance in a single day and if they do it's a once a year drive in which case they'll have to put up with an extra 30 mins charging time.
That said Nissan are off the pace now and I agree with the video, I wouldn't be spending my money on that car, the competition have moved ahead of Nissan.
Also not sure there are any CHAdeMO in the UK which go over 50kWh???
I have done 400 miles in an afternoon on a hot day (95F) with AC and not hit Rapidgate. There are limits, but you have to try hard to hit it.
Leeds has a faster Chademo
What’s with the passive cooling? One of Nissan’s initial given reasons for ‘Rapidgate’, was that they didn’t see the Leaf owner going on longer journeys. But now they’ve increased the battery pack, with the main aim, being greater range. So if Nissan are now recognising their Leaf customers may take longer journeys, I can’t fathom why they stuck with the passive cooling.
As to saloon or hatchback or SUV. I’m not that fussed. Though I much prefer a hatchback or SUV with a hatchback. Purely for easy of loading/unloading. I drive one of three vehicles. Two are hatchbacks, the other a booted saloon. One of the hatchbacks, (Punto) and the saloon have load volumes similar to the Kona. But the saloon is literally a pain in the back to fully load/unload. The other hatchback, (Mondeo) has great access to the truly cavernous boot. And given my current needs, I need load volume on the larger side. Which is one of the reasons I’m drawn to the eNiro. Though it’s probable new price tag, (together with the Kona Electric) is just too much. Neither of them is a £40k car.
Ive had a 24kwh leaf for 3 years but wont be having another as they dont have the value for money that buying my 2yr old £10k leaf gave me.
I prefer this new e+ (62 Kwh) model which provides a better range and autonomy than the 40 Kwh version. The price is higher but it remains reasonable. Of course we have now the Kia and Hyundai offer with 64 Kwh and liquid cooled battery with a comparable price however the Leaf as a sedan/hatchback appears to me more versatile. The Kia/Hyundai are better choice if these cars will be used often on highways with long distance trips, in this case the battery liquid cooling system will be (more or less) required. Interesting video. Many thanks.
As a 40kw Leaf owner would i buy a 64kw Leaf for the extra range, no would be the answer.
I think they have priced their self out of the market, with a Kona and e-Niro offering a better range and more importantly with battery management on the odd chance you go on long trips or abroad.
If you can suffer the smaller room then for me the 52kw Zoe is the one to go for, with what i think will be 200+ mile range summer of winter (depending on driving style) and will added 22kw AC charging when all the DC chargers are full.
The Leaf, e-Golf and the 38.6kwh Ioniq are on my list. The Leaf is still tops on my list cause of interior room and cargo space. But the lower price of the Ioniq's and the quality and styling of the e-Golf keep swaying my vote between the 3 cars.
But to choose between the 2 Leaf models I'd pick the 40kwh SV trim simply because I don't need the range.
If you're going to compare hatch to hatch, the only advantages I see in the Leaf+ over the Niro, Kona & Zoe 50 are availability and cargo capacity. Any other factor, I would guess, would be personal style preference and brand loyalty. I mean, people still buy American made/brand cars, so you can't really predict what people will prefer.
I have LEAF 2017 30kWh now. If I had to choose between 40kWh vs 62kWh LEAF, I'd pick the latter, and willing to pay the extra cost to get the longer range. But if Kona Electric or Kia Niro EV was in the picture, I'd pick either of those, since they have even longer range and active liquid battery cooling.
I drive the 1st gen i3, my colleague used to have the 1st gen ZOE. Both cars similar age and mileage. She had to get rid of it though and switch back to petrol because the battery started degrading etc., whereas my i3 still easily gets 80 miles on a charge. That just reaffirmed my belief that paying extra for a proper thermal management system isn’t just a nice thing to have but an absolute necessity if you want to keep your car long-term.
Darcer's Tech definitely an issue will the smaller batteries but is it such a problem with one this size? I’m with you and believe they should have active thermal management on them but I’m also willing to see how they degrade over the coming years and see if Nissan were right to leave it out?????
EV Opinion Don’t think it will be much better. Maybe less of an annoyance if you only drive short journeys but the cells don’t seem to be any better. Otherwise Nissan wouldn’t throttle the charging speed and just let them get hotter.
Don’t know why they didn’t include at least air cooling. Better than nothing.
I’ve been driving Leafs since 2014 and I ordered a 62kWh one in May. When they told me I’d be waiting until October, I looked at what else I could get and cancelled the order in favour of a Tesla Model 3 which I collected in August. I miss the speed limiter and the 360° parking camera but everything else about the car is fantastic.
I wonder if you can buy some sort of mini screen you can hook up to the car that shows you a dash Speedo
i'm hoping this new addition ends up lowering the prices of the previous ones, as richer owners trade in for the new thing.
Looking forward to your kids reviewing V10 in a model 3
Remember that the battery heats up on use. So if you go down the motorway first then charge the first charge will be stepped down. I got rid of my 40kw leaf as if was a poor performer and had multiple faults.
A year on and this is now at a really good price point do you reckon this is now worthwhile at less than 30 grand
2019 plus...love the 62 kwh battery...if and when... it degrades... I still have plenty of range left for my intended use....this is never talked about.....everyone relax with the no TMS...this battery pack doesn't need it for normal commuters in US.
here is my test th-cam.com/video/hwQ-oprZGCE/w-d-xo.html
Longer life with less charging cycles. A good size battery for V2G, or V2H.
Having the bigger battery is a considerable advantage, because even if rising battery temps reduce the speed of the 3rd rapid charge, you can still travel a very long way. This is of course the great advantage of the E-Niro. However, both the E-Nino, which Imown and the Kona have a problem with repeated rapid charging, despite liquid thermal cooling. At least with Nissan you can see the battery temp, which with the others you cannot. t present there is a lot of support for the MG EV but despite having liquid thermal cooling nobody has yet reported on successive rapid recharging speeds with that car. Whilst Nissan have made some mistakes, it seems they have been vilified when others with the same issues have not. Even the VW E-Golf did not have liquid thermal cooling, but there was no outcry about that. In the circumstances nobody has yet shown conclusively that liquid thermal cooling produces better results - the batteries still will get hot. I wonder if other manufacturers that don't allow you to see the battery temp will have shortened battery lives or the same issue with successive rapid charging? Despite the price, the Leaf has several advantages, easily overlooked. First the all round cameras for parallel parking are a considerable boon. Also the e-Niro does not have
Personally, I love the leaf but with better options (e-niro for me), it's a hard sell. Chademo also kinda kills it for me, when we leave town we do 200+ miles so I'd definitely need the extra range. Plus, the e-niro gauges are cool and as silly as it sounds, the way the gauges look really play a huge role in what I purchase. Now I just have to find an e-niro in the USA lol
Disagree, the battery in a our 24kwh leaf dropped very sharply after 30k and 2 years. Was having to drive at 56mph everywhere to get 70 miles out of it. Passive cooling is a terrible idea for cells, especially when the cells are packed on top of each other.
I am hoping to upgrade my 2015 Leaf to a 40 kWh battery very shortly. That will cost me € 5000 but will extend the life of my current car and will mean a practical range of 200 km in winter ;-)
The range is better for Australian drivers, but the lack of active thermal management of the batteries is not going to work for our 40C+ summers. Unless Nissan can guarantee they will change the battery for free every 160000km (which given the recent news that a Nissan dealership tried to charge a customer $33000 for a new pack that was still in warranty) then they need to include a system that would only add a couple of grand to the cost of the car.
Yeah they work fine over here in NZ as its cooler. My Leaf is ex JDM thats where most in NZ come from, very happy with mine has done 110 thousand Kms and just dropped to 10 bars recently
I heard there are a lot of first gen Leafs there in NZ, but also you guys have someone who can put renovated batteries as well as bigger battery packs in the first gen which is pretty awesome.
Very good video review, thank you. For me, the Nissan Leaf styling is pleasing and balanced. Ten years from now, I believe it will still be a good looking car. Considering that, I must say, I just don't care for the styling of the Tesla Model 3 or the Model Y, they are too generic, almost to the point of bland/ugliness. Near daily, I see a couple of Model 3's in the parking lot at work; and I've stopped to examine them numerous times. Sure, I can appreciate the Model 3 drive system & cameras that make it a technological superior car, but it just doesn't attract my I eye and it's rather squatty. So my ideal car would look more like the Nissan Leaf, with the Tesla tech installed. I'm hoping that both manufacturers work hard on their product in the direction that will convince me it's time to buy one. Meanwhile I'll keep saving my income and continue with a faithful 264,000+ statue mile, 2009 Toyota Corolla XLE daily driver. 'Fun fact: It was built in the former GM/Toyota NUUMI plant...at Fremont California...j
Agreed that it will still look good in 10 years. I'm hoping a battery replacement option will be affordable by then as the rest of the car seems built to last other than being dated.
Still happy with our 30 kWh Leaf for the commute, but we've bought a Kona for the long-range stuff, and at (a then) £32.5 k , that was a better deal.
Customer being shafted by NISSAN
Phillip Carlson bought a Nissan Leaf in August 2012, which cost about $53,500. It’s seven years old today, and it’s worth maybe $12,000 - if you can find someone dumb enough to buy it. Let’s let him tell the story.
“I bought an electric car from Nissan with 5 years warranty on the battery. They claimed 175km range. From new I only ever got 120km. Now I can BARELY get 35-40km during winter or even 25km if I use the heater. The warranty says the battery is bad if it drops to 8 out of 12 bars, which mine has.
“I took it in and they claim the battery is totally fine and there’s nothing wrong with it and gave me a $33,000 invoice for a new one!!!!! Nissan just won’t listen and I’ve run out of all hope. I paid $53,500 for this car and it’s pretty useless now.” - Phillip Carlson
Axel Stoner ouch! Not a good experience ☹️
Nice copy and paste. What currency is it you talking about Australian $ ? And I have 8 year old diesel car got it new for £ 13k its worth maybe £3 k now cars tend to lose value over time.
@@xperyskop2475 yes Australian Dollar, courtesy of the aussy knome John Cadogan. I'm in uk. They can all shove their electric junk down the thunderbox
and jump in after them.
Ryan, after the October 2019 Australian scandal of Nissan quoting the equivalent of £18000 for a Leaf battery replacement needed because of their lack of cooling design fault, I don't see why anyone would buy a Nissan EV. Their current software tweaks because of Rapid Gate just means second hand buyers a few years down the line will need replacement traction batteries far sooner, and Nissan can fleece them too for replacements.
The current Leaf interior and lack of battery management go back to a design now ten years old and are not acceptable in a new car of 2019, so I wouldn't buy ANY Leaf now, new or second hand, and especially not this almost Tesla-priced creation.
No way in gods earth will I ever buy an electric car without active cooling it's madness. Nissan are onto a, looser and they know it
I agree CHAdeMO is the soon becomming "the Beta Max" for charger in Europe.
But there are plans to develop V2G standard for CCS, equalizing that advantage within a few years
insideevs.com/news/342354/charin-ccs-combo-standard-to-offer-v2g-by-2025/
it seems to be more common to build dual standard or CCS only, and rarly CHAdeMO only.
CCS will (in my oppinion) be a much better (or at least eqyally good) choise for trips (except in Estonia).
You mentioned (and compared) to e-Niro and Kona. I think the Model 3 SR+ is an alternative too, starting at £39,490. And estimated delivery in November. TM3, being a sedan is pretty different, but for those of us wanting/requiring a tow hitch (+£1000), I think TM3SR+ is the "only"/best option, unless you want to pay a lot more.
In short, the answer to your headline question is 'No'. Thanks Ryan.
i will most likely get the 40Kw Leaf and the money i save on BIK per month just hire a diesel for long journeys over 250 miles.
We should all thank nissan for their work on the previous Leafs, however although the 60 is better in the sense that its more range, the car has been upgraded once too offen. If the battery technology had made a massive leap forward then increase the battery capacity. The problem is Nissan had a problem when the moved to the 40, I dont think they physically fixed it, just software fixed it so it doesnt look like theres a problem. Now they have increased the battery size by another third!
The car is still brillant, well built and reliable. why dont Nissan get the price down to under 20K with 200 miles range, it would make a great city car, commuting car for anyone commuting 50 -100 miles a day still with 100 miles for running around.
The price probably won't get that low until the federal EV tax credits are gone.
Nissan Leaf needs a price drop to be a seller . Face lift did make it more normal but rapidgate will effect resale value , depreciation and charging system chademo bi directional system a red herring . Who needs to have a battery to give electricity to your house unless you live in Japan and nuclear goes down. Competing with a Tesla not good, should be less than the real completion nero , kona and Ioniq though the new Ioniq seems to have taken a step backwards. Suppose the fact that the completion is delayed means they can charge more but for this money , buy an MG and a Zoe
Useable capacity is 58.5 killowatts.
I'm buying a 40kwh leaf finally because the Nissan Aria is so so so expensive...i hope I'm making the right decision
Very expensive very over estimated
It's become like buying mobile phones. It will always come another model that's better which make you glance in envy to your neighbor who got one of those. The endgame of the thinking process before you finally invest in a new car is to choose the car you need and not the car that fills your ego. I know it's difficult but nevertheless.
Well, it's big and heavy, so they had to put in a bigger battery.
The car is fine, better than fine but without proper thermal management of the battery I would not touch one with a barge pole. Then there is the whole lock up your boss on some questionable grounds that sound more like a boardroom coup than fiscal responsibility to me.
I am waiting and hoping the new small cross over Nissan EV due in 2021 will be a winner!
What about an E-Micra? Nissan used to make highly efficient small cars.
@@Tore_Lund Yeah my wife was looking at a Note E-Power one of the longest range non plug-in hybrids it uses the Leaf electric motor and a small 1.2 lt petrol engine as a generator only supplying power to the small battery.
@@gregandkaruna6674 Nice, but I still would like to charge the small battery from a socket, but otherwise use the engine when touring Europe once or twice a year. How samll was it? like the Micra or bigger?
@@Tore_Lund Where I live currently full EV and plug-in hybrids are exempt from road user charges however unless that is extended that runs out at the end of 2021. Non plug-in hybrids will always be exempt. So the e-power setup with it's up to 1200 km on just 47 lt of fuel is not bad. The e-power Note is similar size to the Leaf
@@gregandkaruna6674 Thanks!
04:10 : ' It's not fast by any stretch of the imagination ' Dude, if you just want to be negative and bitch about the Leaf, just say it. Not fast? I see almost any car disappear in my rearview mirror with ease if I want. No, it's not a sports car, it's meant to be a relaxing and comfortable car. But if you step on the pedal it's damn fast.
I would have the 40kWh Leaf or better still the eGolf!
I was at exactly this decission siutation and decided to go with the e-Golf, due to the massive number of new CCS-stations and no Chademo ones in Germany. The e-Golf is a well build car and fits perfect for my commute and also trips up to 200-300 miles are not a real problem.
Tesla is still years ahead of the competitors and still innovating the tech.
ChaDeMo is becoming Nissan proprietary.
China are going ChaDeMo, that's a massive market, 18.5% of the world's population right there, might end up with different dominant standards in different parts of the world.
There will be Europe standard and RoW standard
When companies are bring the costs of Ev’s down Nissan are putting the cost of Ev cars up....not for me this car.
40kwh Leaf with Propilot like the Tesla supports hands light driving and safety system where if it's set on Propilot or in Tesla Autopilot and you become unconscious though it will try and wake you and if unsuccessful stop with the hazard lights on. No other system can do that! And that's a big selling point to me!
MG ZS EV?
@@chrispotts969 MG is super popular in Thailand, I am just not sure I am prepared to trust a Chinese made car yet, think they are still where the Koreans were 20 years ago.
@@gregandkaruna6674 Maybe, time will tell. People who have them over here in uk are seeing really good range... The 163 mile range seems a little conservative
@@chrispotts969 Please prove me wrong the more EV the better, maybe I have only looked at the Geely and Chery, maybe I am being unfair? Although we did drive in a BYD EV taxi in Singapore and that seemed ok
@@chrispotts969 Also most MG lack the safety assist systems that most other brands are starting to include as standard on all trim models
Ryan, I heard on FB that you are no longer considering the MG, I wonder if it’s because of the unanswered questions that I have?
Michael Summers it sure who said that? I still have my deposit down and waiting for the demo to arrive. I will make my decision then 😁👍
I've got the 40kwh but I would never pay for this one it is to over prised. there is to much competition now for Nissan to keep asking for high prices
Agree on the MSRP, but it seems like Nissan the dealership will lower the price and the Nissan will through in cash rebates in addition to any state or federal tax breaks. It's the tax breaks that keeps the price listed so high.
There are better proposal out there. Kona, base model 3.
Leaf looking over priced mad I some areas under speced compared to competition managed to completely kill it's first to market advantage
Nissan have fallen behind in development. Fact, any EV without active battery thermal management is now nothing but a waste of money.
Is terribly overpriced ( you can get it for close to £33k if you shop around ). Only one thing that sells them is availability. From next January they will have to drop price bellow £30k or they go extinct
After Federal discount you can get the lower trim Plus for under 30K USD. In Colorado you can get the base Plus close to 20K
'dont like SUV's'.... haven't you put a deposit down on an MG??
Is it Worth the Extra Money?
Answer: No, buy a Tesla
Where I live, the cheapest Tesla is still twice the price of the most expensive Leaf
Tesla model 3 is the only answer,
Luxury car tax on the fully spec'ed one so not worth it. Also no thermal management.
For every positive with an ev there’s a loss somewhere else, to many variables,
For every positive IN LIFE, there is a loss somewhere else. :-)
Leaf screwed up, not called a leaf any more since not affordable or a leader.
Why invest into something that doesn’t cool its battery since the battery is the main cost.
The Renault is a better option in my books.
I would agree, but its just too small.............pity!
I'm good, thanks.
I am wainting for my VW ID 1ST 😁
Such a lazy designed Car. Instead of a total refresh and freshness it’s the same old box, interior that goes further. Look at that new Zoe now that’s moving forward and addressed the niggles and things customers wanted.
Not worth it. The mirror is still too low? My next EV will not be a Leaf but more VW Id.3
In a summary then: “Meh”
Way too much money.....
No