Why Did Ancient Sith Lords HATE Palpatine and Darth Vader?

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  • Why Did Ancient Sith Lords HATE Palpatine and Darth Vader?
    Palpatine and Vader are undoubtedly two of the most successful Sith of all time. Yet some ancient Sith did not believe this to be the case. In fact some believed that Vader and Palptine weren't really Sith at all. The most direct answer to this question comes from Darth Momin, an ancient crazed Sith who once tried to freeze a city in time just for fun. He believed that Vader and Palptine were too focused on the Jedi, and their hatred for them had ironically made them like the Jedi. Instead of proudly conquering and enslaving through the dark side, they instead built and ruled the galaxy through a technocratic bureaucracy much like the Republic, with even their Sith identities kept secret from the public.
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  • @gandpork
    @gandpork ปีที่แล้ว +14817

    I like how whenever the sith disapprove of something it’s usually cause they just think it’s lame

    • @Camdenproductions20219
      @Camdenproductions20219 ปีที่แล้ว +324

      It is

    • @dollscentedhunter2514
      @dollscentedhunter2514 ปีที่แล้ว +838

      Thats because siths are the cool popular kids that can do what they want and jedi are the lame narcks that thourougly explain to you that beating pre-schoolers to a pulp is "illegal" and supporting umiverse wide genocide is "moraly wrong".

    • @celeb-seventeen
      @celeb-seventeen ปีที่แล้ว +80

      ​@@dollscentedhunter2514....cause it is, whatchu taking about

    • @dollscentedhunter2514
      @dollscentedhunter2514 ปีที่แล้ว +243

      @@celeb-seventeen im making a joke about sith being cool kids and jedi nerds. Take a joke man

    • @celeb-seventeen
      @celeb-seventeen ปีที่แล้ว +58

      @@dollscentedhunter2514 ah my b homie, my b

  • @ursadabear2810
    @ursadabear2810 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4383

    I do love the idea that the force ghosts of Sith also follow around living Sith like the Jedi ghosts do, but they do it exclusively to talk shit about them until the Sith dies and joins the gossip club.

    • @JH-lw1fz
      @JH-lw1fz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +402

      Sith ghosts are trapped to a location, unless summoned via ritual. They really do heckle all the newer sith.

    • @abysswicked9076
      @abysswicked9076 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +352

      Palpatine gets thrown off the edge by Vader. Meanwhile:
      Malak: Haha, I told you this little bitch was gonna get betrayed by his boytoy! I knew it!
      Treya: You didn’t say that, that was Revan.
      Nihilus: *non-descript munching noise* He actually did say it first. Revan said Vader would be a good guy again first. Something about the Skywalker bloodline or some other Force bullshit.
      I just imagine the Sith like a frat house, and they’re just shit talking every new Sith now

    • @st4rw4rs4ulesyt
      @st4rw4rs4ulesyt 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

      ​@@abysswicked9076so basically, the pub in "How it should have ended"

    • @darling9413
      @darling9413 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      @@JH-lw1fzOh yes I think I heard about that. Due to Darth Bane creating the rule of two the dark side was suppressed around the galaxy and so they could only manifest in those rare truly dark side aligned locations like Korriban.

    • @darling9413
      @darling9413 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@JH-lw1fzOh yes I think I heard about that. Due to Darth Bane creating the rule of two the dark side was suppressed around the galaxy and so they could only manifest in those rare truly dark side aligned locations like Korriban.

  • @127mfan
    @127mfan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5854

    Momin: "Your methods are pathetic!"
    Sidious: "How many galaxies have you ruled? Yeah, that's what I fucking thought."

    • @alistermanase2581
      @alistermanase2581 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +316

      Momin: "And how many Jedi have you personally killed? Only what, 3? 4?"

    • @justsomeguywithoutacleveru4060
      @justsomeguywithoutacleveru4060 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +644

      @@alistermanase2581 Sidious: "yea cause I was to busy talking over the entire fucking galaxy"

    • @Canation89
      @Canation89 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +210

      Why did I read that as the robot chicken palpatine

    • @alistermanase2581
      @alistermanase2581 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +123

      @@Canation89 Cuse that is the Real Palpatine.

    • @127mfan
      @127mfan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      @@Canation89 It fits pretty well, ngl. 🤣

  • @ar71498
    @ar71498 ปีที่แล้ว +3023

    "They hate us cuz they ain't us" - Sheev probably

    • @kwolf506
      @kwolf506 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Wow you stole that from Black people...

    • @jamesbarnett8832
      @jamesbarnett8832 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@kwolf506congratulations, you wanna fuckin cookie big man

    • @andrewt8004
      @andrewt8004 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +115

      ​@@kwolf506you did not just play the race card on a goddamn joke

    • @kwolf506
      @kwolf506 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @andrewt8004 oh be quiet snowflake. Just pointing out the original creators of the quote.

    • @praisethesun.praisedeussol6051
      @praisethesun.praisedeussol6051 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

      ​@@kwolf506property can't own anything

  • @deepwaters2334
    @deepwaters2334 ปีที่แล้ว +4363

    Sith Lords hate this one easy trick to rule the galaxy...

    • @scottdecarlo815
      @scottdecarlo815 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

      9000 level comment.

    • @803bucho
      @803bucho 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

      Top tier comment

    • @TapCat
      @TapCat 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

      The answer will shock you!

    • @sxcJOELisNotsexy
      @sxcJOELisNotsexy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      The rule of two?

    • @EmporersWrath
      @EmporersWrath 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      👏🏽👏🏽

  • @Ghaltouni
    @Ghaltouni 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +881

    "Don't listen to them Lord Vader. They're just jealous of our drip and the insane amount of bitches we're pulling. They're basically the jedi council but with sith flavour"

    • @EchoSD
      @EchoSD 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      "Vader, why are you crying- oh."

    • @Vulcar2500
      @Vulcar2500 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      💀💀💀​@@EchoSD

    • @MangoMojo
      @MangoMojo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@EchoSDI don’t get it 💀

    • @FoxPrinceHope
      @FoxPrinceHope 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      ​@@MangoMojoPadme 💀

    • @excellingdeicide2967
      @excellingdeicide2967 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      EXACTLY🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣💯

  • @TetsuShima
    @TetsuShima ปีที่แล้ว +6780

    Every single Sith watching Palpy conquering the entire galaxy: "It should have been me, NOT HIM!!!" 😭

  • @vassilyvodka2638
    @vassilyvodka2638 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +284

    Ancient Sith: "You're boring!" 🤓
    Palpachad: "What color is your galaxy?"

    • @der-Dritte
      @der-Dritte 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Ok this made me laught

    • @thefrickinspydeer
      @thefrickinspydeer หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@drydryd😂

    • @user-cj2tp9is8x
      @user-cj2tp9is8x 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      What color is your death star

    • @TYLER-ff1fj
      @TYLER-ff1fj 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What color of your galaxy mean

  • @raymondreddington5847
    @raymondreddington5847 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +241

    Palpatine: "Oh I'm sorry, I couldn't hear your jealous blabbering over me me being THE SENATE"

    • @alistermanase2581
      @alistermanase2581 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sith: You only got there cuse your master put in all the hard work before you smothered him to death with his own pillow since your a little bitch that knew he would smack your ass from here to Tatooine in a fight.

  • @eddychong9477
    @eddychong9477 ปีที่แล้ว +908

    Darth Momin: Buddy, you're just a cheap f**king knockoff
    Palpatine: No no no I'm the upgrade

    • @MichaelAMyers1957
      @MichaelAMyers1957 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      You ever notice that “ the boys “ is just The ghetto justice league

    • @TheTattleTaleStrangler
      @TheTattleTaleStrangler 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Love hoe that quote wasn't actually badass: "upgrade? Buddy, you're wearing a cape"🤡

    • @levicarpenter5509
      @levicarpenter5509 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​@@MichaelAMyers1957at least the show is better than the comics

    • @MichaelAMyers1957
      @MichaelAMyers1957 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@levicarpenter5509 I never read the comics before. I like the show though. It’s a truer version of justice league. Like let’s be real. If someone had the powers of Superman, they’re not going to be mr perfect like Superman. I know damn well if I had his powers, I’d be like homelander or worse

    • @brownieboi1691
      @brownieboi1691 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@MichaelAMyers1957literally the entire purpose 💀

  • @vasudeanguy8523
    @vasudeanguy8523 ปีที่แล้ว +235

    I think though that Darth Bane described the Sith rather aptly. "Sith are not a fire blazing through the galaxy. They are a poison. Spread that poison across too many cups and you won't even upset their stomach. However, concentrate it into one and even the strongest will succumb." That's why he reimposed the "Rule of Two."

    • @alistermanase2581
      @alistermanase2581 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      And yet it ended with two Sith that at best measure up at the same level of skill as a standard Sith.

    • @KingJohnMichael
      @KingJohnMichael 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@alistermanase2581no

    • @lordvika2526
      @lordvika2526 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      No Bane created the rule of two

    • @smugsuphia7846
      @smugsuphia7846 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      He described it as venom, not poison. Similar, but not interchangeable. Still, the rest of the quote is largely accurate.

    • @levicarpenter5509
      @levicarpenter5509 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Palpatine despised the rule of two that his favorite sith world's where one's that operated under a single sith lord instead of a master and apprentice

  • @cobaltprime9467
    @cobaltprime9467 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +208

    “He’s not even a real -goth- Sith. Let’s get out of here.”

    • @rickeydart3040
      @rickeydart3040 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Vader and Sidious are Vamp-Sith

  • @aamirrazak3467
    @aamirrazak3467 ปีที่แล้ว +386

    I never knew the ancient Sith were haters, I figured on some level they would’ve been proud Sidious and Vader succeeded in defeating the Jedi and taking over the galaxy

    • @wlfshadow4255
      @wlfshadow4255 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      Nah the ancient sith hated them because of how they did things the sith probably liked the plan but hated what happened with the power Sidious and Vader got oh and bane probably hated those who broke the rule of two and the seramonial way of going about the master and apprentice dule and learning process

    • @PlaguedByEarth
      @PlaguedByEarth 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +98

      Being a hater is practically a prerequisite for becoming a Sith.

    • @wlfshadow4255
      @wlfshadow4255 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      @@PlaguedByEarth there is a sith in a certain mining colony that would disagree with you on that one

    • @pancakes8670
      @pancakes8670 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      The Sith are selfish, it's a core part of their ideology. They literally can't be anything other than Selfish, otherwise they wouldn't be Sith

    • @wlfshadow4255
      @wlfshadow4255 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@pancakes8670 there is a sith that died with people who loved him around him

  • @LylatKnight
    @LylatKnight ปีที่แล้ว +1541

    Jar Jar is the real Sith Lord.

    • @sitsia3808
      @sitsia3808 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Darth Jar Jar

    • @rambojack5606
      @rambojack5606 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Even tho he is clumsy and funny but he managed to manipulate the Jedi without imposing his hatred to them

    • @deepwaters2334
      @deepwaters2334 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      🌚

    • @jamestomlin5525
      @jamestomlin5525 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      ​@@rambojack5606originally that was his cover, who would suspect a fool to be a master? George scrapped it tho lol

    • @SergyMilitaryRankings
      @SergyMilitaryRankings 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      ​@@jamestomlin5525yeah, sadly the reception of jar jar was overwhelmingly negative

  • @Real_Tio_Benny
    @Real_Tio_Benny 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Palpatine: “I am the most successful Sith in history.”
    Momin: “Yeah but you’re lame as fuck.”

    • @NayuzAqua
      @NayuzAqua 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      "Says the guy without a Death Star"

  • @reidhirsh3338
    @reidhirsh3338 ปีที่แล้ว +380

    The Sith Empire of Old was a Military and Hierarchy regime, where the strong dominated, enslaved and eliminated the weak and useless with borderline extreme prejudice. Of course the ancient Sith would disapprove and despise Vader and Palpatine's means and methods of ruling the known galaxy with ways that are similar to that of the Republic with government and bureaucracy.
    The Pure Blood Sith before the Dark Exile were a society where only the strong survived since their world was a harsh and rough place to live and call home and had no desire for galactic conquest. But when the Dark Jedi arrived, interbreed with the Sith, became worshipped as Gods and changed their society and culture as a whole, it gave birth to the Old Sith Empire we all loath and despise.

    • @Cavalier1645
      @Cavalier1645 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      You may loath and despise it. But i do not

    • @Samael6685
      @Samael6685 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​@@Cavalier1645🤝🏻😈

    • @reidhirsh3338
      @reidhirsh3338 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@mintmess True but unfortunately, the Old Sith Empire while powerful as it was in its prime, still suffered from the backstabbing, infighting and power plays of the Sith that slowly but surely brought it to its inevitable ruin. Bane's Rule of Two while necessary and gave the Sith its long overdue vengeance in time, it did also make them a hollowed shell of its once feared and dreaded self.

    • @alistermanase2581
      @alistermanase2581 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@reidhirsh3338And ended with two Sith that would be mediocre at BEST back in the day of the Sith Empire.

    • @Googleisstupid-sk3hm
      @Googleisstupid-sk3hm 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@alistermanase2581Funny? Considering George Lucas himself said sidious was the most powerful sith lord Vader. Then Vader the literally force child? Weaker than sith before him? Following that logic Yoda and grandmasters Luke would be weak against older jedi of past 😅.

  • @michaelblower7363
    @michaelblower7363 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    Banes Sith had to hide out of necessity. So of course their tactics had to change.

    • @alistermanase2581
      @alistermanase2581 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Cuse Bane murdered the rest by tricking them into using a Suicide Ritual.

    • @rivenoak
      @rivenoak 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@alistermanase2581 to be honest: killing the Brotherhood of Kaan was a mercy; those sith were utter useless

    • @DARTHBLUNT713
      @DARTHBLUNT713 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes the thought bomb​@@alistermanase2581

  • @thelordofthelostbraincells
    @thelordofthelostbraincells ปีที่แล้ว +95

    Emperor palpatine: Ok boomer. But who is the emperor of the galaxy again?
    Oh yeah, *ME!*

    • @rivenoak
      @rivenoak 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      for how long did he reign ? :p

    • @Highasamf
      @Highasamf 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@rivenoakLonger than any other

    • @rivenoak
      @rivenoak 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@HighasamfVitiate would like to have a word with you on length of rule ;)
      technically Sheev P. could not rule the galaxy, only former republic space and obviously not each of the ~1000 systems accepted his reign.

    • @TheGoodLuc
      @TheGoodLuc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "Who exterminated Jedi? Me!"

    • @rivenoak
      @rivenoak หลายเดือนก่อน

      @TheDutchPagan as Valkorion he kicked ass in Zakuul and brought republic and sith empire on their knees. the "galactic empire" Palps boasted so much about was a pitiful version compared with the deeds of Vitiate, sorry. :D
      maybe Bioware was just cheeky with their god imperator and poked lucas a bit. they were able to do so because AFAIK the contract witch Lucasarts gave them almost unlimited rights to create villains and heroes as much as they wanted in their chosen era.
      the old rep events do not collide with movie era, so everything is fair and if it looks like the old emperor would wipe the floor with Sidious, then it is part of that ancient timeline.

  • @spynix0718
    @spynix0718 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +110

    "Why did the ancient sith hate Vader and Palpatine?"
    Because those sith are dead, and Vader and Palpatine, are not.

    • @firstnamelastname9237
      @firstnamelastname9237 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Aren’t they?

    • @powerleech7057
      @powerleech7057 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      @@firstnamelastname9237Well, somehow, palpatine-
      _explodes_

    • @firstnamelastname9237
      @firstnamelastname9237 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@powerleech7057
      *dramatic gasp*

    • @MrBROTHERFELDER
      @MrBROTHERFELDER 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A: Because they viewed Palp & Vader as “Sithys”😄

    • @emeraldeditzam
      @emeraldeditzam 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MrBROTHERFELDER😄😄😄😄

  • @ESSTrains
    @ESSTrains ปีที่แล้ว +51

    This is a very underrated star wars channel, I love how you cover so much obscure lore

  • @dennissluijk1789
    @dennissluijk1789 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    Palpatine: "they hate us cause they ain't us!"
    Vader "oh yes *inhale* das a great saying"

    • @alistermanase2581
      @alistermanase2581 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Malak: No we hate you cuse your completely and utterly inept at ruling.

    • @simonrief1013
      @simonrief1013 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I think many sith would have different reasons
      Bane because Palp broke the rule of two
      Momin for not beeing the absolut individuals, but beeing hidden byrocrats
      Nihilus for not have eaten even one planet so far... etc
      But as you can see at the example of darth Krayt, no matter how you do it, no sith master will ever be happy with you doing

  • @TheForcesWrath
    @TheForcesWrath ปีที่แล้ว +111

    That's why Darth Viciates time was the best for the Sith, The Old Republic was filled with millions of Force sensitives on both sides of the force led by proud leaders who weren't afraid of meeting their enemies in open battle. The Rule Of Two was a stupid gamble that failed hard.

    • @darthtenebrous965
      @darthtenebrous965 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      I agree it was a gamble, but The Rule of two was more of a Pyrrhic Victory. It’s main goal was to prevent infighting against the Sith and operate secretly to eventually destroy the Jedi order. In which it succeeded in doing that even if it was for only a limited amount of time.

    • @i_am__majestx7746
      @i_am__majestx7746 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      The Rule of Two did what ancient sith couldn't - made permanent power vacuum. Whether regarding Legend's ABY or Canon ABY(after the fall of Final Order) it's solely because of this Rule that it's clear sith or dark side users will return to take that power vacuum. Because Jedi and Light side can not exist without Dark side. It means the destruction of Balance

    • @moe5020
      @moe5020 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      bro what do you mean failed? they successfully wiped out the rest of the sith and then palps destroyed the Jedi with their own republic and turned force jesus to the dark side. Yeah Luke defeated him eventually but basically all jedi knowledge and culture was lost in the purge and the new republic Jedi are a completely new sect. It's like saying Caesar failed hard because he got assassinated even though his legacy effects our entire culture to this day.

    • @umbralowl
      @umbralowl 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@moe5020 Palpatine failed by recruiting the person with a prophecy of bringing balance to the force. Anakin was the chosen one. The Sith being in control isn't balance. And Anakin was the one who threw Palps off the death star

    • @moe5020
      @moe5020 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@umbralowl No Anakin would have brought balance regardless. Palpatine didn't fail because he killed more jedi then anyother sith.

  • @joshbuxton8249
    @joshbuxton8249 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    Momin: "You aren't real sith"
    Palpatine: "What color is your bugatti?"

  • @seanreynolds7369
    @seanreynolds7369 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Palpatine be like: yeah but did you actually defeat the jedi?

    • @levicarpenter5509
      @levicarpenter5509 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The Acient sith did and their empire lasted more than 20 years

  • @diegograjeda7611
    @diegograjeda7611 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    In a way, I am glad the Sith Lords have a code of honor of their own. Imagine how broken would they be if they had fully adopted the instantly turn on/off lightsaber...

  • @meghancraft77
    @meghancraft77 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I really never knew that some Sith Lords hated others. Awesome video btw.

  • @Sirstarscream569
    @Sirstarscream569 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    The most successful sith are the most hated cause they knew what needed to be done for their victory

  • @ilovemacaroons5229
    @ilovemacaroons5229 ปีที่แล้ว +226

    I'm kinda confused about the fact that ancient sith who died eons ago and couldn't ever know about papls and vader hate them. Something doesn't add up here🤨🤨🤨

    • @DirtyStinky
      @DirtyStinky ปีที่แล้ว +170

      Sith spirits were still alive usually tied to an object or tomb. They were still conscious but couldnt really move on to an afterlife so to speak.

    • @robertharris6092
      @robertharris6092 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      ​@@DirtyStinkyhow would they know of anything going on in the galaxy or the govorning of said galaxy locked up in a tomb though?

    • @Townes888
      @Townes888 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@robertharris6092Maybe their ghostly presence is like the jedi ghosts

    • @DirtyStinky
      @DirtyStinky ปีที่แล้ว +59

      @@robertharris6092 Couldve communicated with darth vader/palpatine at some point when they try to gather knowledge. Could just be sith magic. Both vader and palpatine kept an assortment of sith artifacts some were directly tied to sith spirits.

    • @infinityactually6166
      @infinityactually6166 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      It's for the same reason Yoda and Obi Wan were force ghosts and still knew the current state of affairs when they were training Luke. The force is everywhere.

  • @Weezy_F_Dende
    @Weezy_F_Dende ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Nah they wrong for hating on sideous. Bro was literally the hitler of Star Wars. Jedi be best friends with clone troopers and sidous made them kill each other, nearly drove all the Jedi to complete extinction, took over the entire galaxy, and brainwashed everyone into thinking the Jedi were bad people.

    • @darkrain491
      @darkrain491 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Thats what makes Sidous more evil than the old Sith. Sidious is evil in motivations and actions. The old Sith believed that you had to be strong to live, so put their people through cruelty to weed out the strong. The old sith committed evil because they thought they were morally justified.
      In a way, the old sith were just had very extreme military mindset. How drill instructors weed out the weak recruits. The Sith however just killed the weak.
      They weren't selfish power hungry tyrants, they fundementally believed that to be weak was to be disgusting and amoral. They had twisted morality, but they still had morality.
      Palps has ZERO morals. He would do ANYTHING to win, just because he wants to win. He fundementally can't just not win. He doesn't even have a reason to fight the Jedi. He literally could have ruled the galaxy without killing them. He wiped them out just because.
      Palpatine is pathetic in the eyes of the old Sith, and is Infinitely more evil than them.

    • @DimaMuskind
      @DimaMuskind 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@darkrain491Palpatine kinda had a reason to eliminate the Jedi - get revenge for the past Sith. Also, there was always confrontation between light and dark, Jedi and Sith, they cannot live in peace with each other

    • @peaceweapon1933
      @peaceweapon1933 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@darkrain491Marka Ragnos ruled the galaxy for 100 years. Sidious couldn’t even manage half that. Maybe he should have been a bit more like them

    • @darkrain491
      @darkrain491 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@peaceweapon1933 I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not, it sort of sounds like you're correcting me, but like based on what you said we should be agreeing because my entire point was that while Sidious is more evil than any other Sith, he also isn't a good Sith because his goals were ultimately Selfish, not selfless towards the Sith's ultimate goals.
      Traditional Sith are evil, but not selfish. Power is a means to an end for them, the end being the furthering of the Sith Ideology.
      Whereas Palpatine is just an evil bastard.

    • @levicarpenter5509
      @levicarpenter5509 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@darkrain491nigga one Acient sith was so powerful in the dark side that the planet he stays on is devoid of the force and is a complete husk of lifelessness, on Acient sith stayed alive for years through sheer anger and hate alone you don't do that by not being pure fucking evil

  • @crimsonfire6932
    @crimsonfire6932 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Wait until momin finds out Vader was one of the most famous Jedi of his time. His criticism isn’t wrong. Since both Tyranus and Vader were ex Jedi, the Sith essentially spent their last 30 to 40 years of existence made up of failed Jedi that were embittered with the order, rather than genuine Sith adherents.
    Is it any wonder then, that Sidious’s apprentices were focused on expert level lightsaber combat, the state of the republic, and doing as much damage to the other side as possible, rather than building up the Sith order? Sidious is the most guilty for enabling this because he didn’t want the Sith to grow anymore, he wanted it to culminate and terminate with him. He had more apprentices than any previous Sith (3 as opposed to the usual 1 and occasional 2 if the first failed) yet none of them succeeded in fulfilling the rule of 2 and continuing the Sith lineage.
    It’s all because Sidious himself was too selfish, even for a Sith. All previous Sith acknowledged that they were merely mortal, and that they needed apprentices to continue their work after their death, otherwise there was no point to any of it. Sidious had no such consideration. He was content to destroy the Jedi and have the empire croak at the same time that he did.

  • @GuitarxWolf
    @GuitarxWolf 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    Palpatine: “Yea okay Momin, just keep terrorizing that little insignificant small minuscule tiny city, I’ll just be over here ruling the whole damn galaxy…”

  • @Rad_Nicole
    @Rad_Nicole 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Would be cool to see Vader and maybe even palpatine fight these ancient sith in like a comic or something.

    • @alistermanase2581
      @alistermanase2581 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I can already see Vader losing bad and Palpatine getting thrown around like a ping pong ball.

    • @alistermanase2581
      @alistermanase2581 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @TheDutchPagan You obviously haven't seen any of the ancient Sith NOT of the Order of Bane.

  • @lTSVlBE
    @lTSVlBE ปีที่แล้ว +106

    Palpatine literally killed most of the Jedi. Then used the Jedi’s own prophecy guy against them. If they don’t cut this man some slack

    • @darkrain491
      @darkrain491 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Yeah but killing the Jedi is such a pathetic goal. Palps Empire lasted what? Twenty years? That's a blink of an eye in the broad scheme of things. The old sith Empire lasted centuries or more, proving that their way was better. It lasted longer.
      Palp's selfishness is a prime example of how NOT to be a Sith. True Sith are thinking of the the continued survival of the Sith, not their own personal success.

    • @lumonox
      @lumonox 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      @@darkrain491Sith have wanted to destroy Jedi for thousands of years it isn’t a “pathetic” goal but very close to succeeding in the goal that Sith have always wanted

    • @darkrain491
      @darkrain491 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@lumonox It's pathetic. Destroy a faction of people you disagree with? Pathetic. The Sith could literally just leave the Jedi alone and they would be much more successful.

    • @lumonox
      @lumonox 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@darkrain491 Bro what the Sith and the Jedi have been sworn enemies… the dark side and the light side of the force… and taking out the only people that could stop you from ruling the galaxy (Jedi) is the smart thing to do. Why do you think the Jedi tried to kill all the Sith? They’re two opposites who both want to rule the galaxy so tell me how the Sith could possibly leave Jedi alone with that goal.

    • @lumonox
      @lumonox 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Another side note, the Sith increase their power from hate. So hating the Jedi from thousands of years of war only strengthens their power

  • @martinnilsen501st
    @martinnilsen501st ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Making the rule of two is regarded as a legendary moment for the sith. Ruling the galaxy from the shadows by making others be evil for you? Truly a masterpiece! Good thing earth is more like the jedi republic❤️…👀

    • @OhrCompendium
      @OhrCompendium ปีที่แล้ว

      The world has been ruled countless times by people who made others commit atrocities for them.
      Just look at 80 years ago

    • @MrBROTHERFELDER
      @MrBROTHERFELDER 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You don’t think there’s an invisible evil force influencing the earth right now?

    • @martinnilsen501st
      @martinnilsen501st 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrBROTHERFELDER not saying there is! But likely someone is trying, maybe😅
      Some people eat pineapple on pizza…people do all kinds of crazy things!

    • @MrBROTHERFELDER
      @MrBROTHERFELDER 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@martinnilsen501st True, people do crazy and even evil things on their own, but when you consider the gross wickedness and cruelty we see in the world today, doesn’t it seem like humans are being influenced by an invisible evil power?

    • @martinnilsen501st
      @martinnilsen501st 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrBROTHERFELDER hinted at irony with 👀! These days its obvious…

  • @gamberoy4433
    @gamberoy4433 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Momin was upset that they did it smarter. Lol

    • @firstnamelastname9237
      @firstnamelastname9237 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      One turned light side and killed the other and they never truly recovered. Their empire, run much in secret, lasted only around 20 years all of which with very active rebellion they never quelled. The Jedi meanwhile started coming right back. Sequel trilogy being an exception.

  • @shadownight9956
    @shadownight9956 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Darth Vitiate🗿: "oh yes its all coming back together."

    • @shadownight9956
      @shadownight9956 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @TheDutchPagan you must be a twitter user
      You know nothing about vitiate and yes i know palpatine is strong af especially in legends but vitiate is literal dark side him self

  • @CoolGuy100lovesgames
    @CoolGuy100lovesgames 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Ironically pissing off all previous Sith Lords and just doing whatever gives you more power is the most sith thing you could do.

  • @nomic655
    @nomic655 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Palpatine was undoubtedly the most successful Sith of all time. The arguement that he "became like the Republic" is flawed and (imo) egoistic. Palpatine infiltrated the Republic from the inside, corrupted it and took over, while every other Sith tried defeating it with violence and failed. And even if a Sith did succeed through violence, due to the galactic scale bloodshed there would be no galaxy to govern anymore.
    As for Vader, his hatred towards the Jedi is entirely justified. He was incapable of reaching his full potential because of them. However, Vader was never even meant to be a Sith, even less a successful one. Arguing over him being an unsuccessful Sith is the same as arguing over an airplane being unsuccessful in driving alongside cars in the same roads.
    Long story short, ancient Sith were just salty af.

    • @levicarpenter5509
      @levicarpenter5509 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bro he ruled for 2 years and brought the downfall of the sith through his greed and shellfishness

    • @midniteryder_3-16
      @midniteryder_3-16 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@levicarpenter5509meh, the so-called ancient sith were no better…

  • @Visch8826
    @Visch8826 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    i bet none of them had the executor and eclipse star destroyers tho

  • @rohitkumarlal3401
    @rohitkumarlal3401 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ancient sith be like : f*ck it we ball

  • @kingworm6l6
    @kingworm6l6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    ANCIENT. that means past. How could ancient sith lords know anythinng about palpatine or vader when they wouldnt be born for at least 1000 more years.

    • @Im_braindead
      @Im_braindead ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@MaraJadeSkywalker.Good one, this statement fits here so much

    • @DelanoSeven7
      @DelanoSeven7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      We literally saw force ghosts in the 3rd film of the franchise and y'all still confused ?

    • @jimkid1392
      @jimkid1392 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@DelanoSeven7And I suppose they got that information from interviewing them.
      "I'm here with the force ghost of Darth Edgelord to get his take on the current administration"
      "Y'all lame!"

    • @levicarpenter5509
      @levicarpenter5509 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@DelanoSeven7bro how do you not know that sith can't become force ghost

    • @DelanoSeven7
      @DelanoSeven7 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@levicarpenter5509 You didn't watch rebels, did you ? A sith's spirit can be bound to a place. And this has been a thing for years, there's many sith ghosts in the old republic and legends books, all attached to objects or places.

  • @christopheredwards9904
    @christopheredwards9904 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I mean, it's a lot easier to control the entire galaxy when they don't think you're a complete sociopath.

    • @Spacey_key
      @Spacey_key ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Palpie being a politician was a well known fact

    • @MrBROTHERFELDER
      @MrBROTHERFELDER 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Spacey_keyYep. “He’s a politician, you cahhn’t trust them”-Obi-Wan Kenobi.

    • @levicarpenter5509
      @levicarpenter5509 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yet the sith empire ruled for centuries while palps empire ruled for 20 years

    • @xx_gamerberg_xx
      @xx_gamerberg_xx 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ⁠​⁠@@levicarpenter5509 The entire SW Galaxy > a section of the SW Galaxy

  • @Sacrificiumcontrol
    @Sacrificiumcontrol 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As my name is momin I see this as an absolute win

  • @crazywave6574
    @crazywave6574 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Palps: “smiling through it alll. Can’t believe this my life!!”

  • @madmonkeymob34g12
    @madmonkeymob34g12 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Palpatine: “They hate us cause they ain’t us”

  • @lTSVlBE
    @lTSVlBE ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The galaxy literally knew the sith were the bad guys at this point. Having it be known they were sith would’ve just ended their reign way sooner then later

  • @vicsterX
    @vicsterX 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sidious & Vader: *suffering from success*

  • @The_Artisan313
    @The_Artisan313 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That’s actually a cool way to think about the two, props to whoever wrote that

  • @Unpluggedx89
    @Unpluggedx89 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Momin: "You guys suck!"
    Palpatine: "Shut the fuck up brokie! What color is your Bugatti?!"

  • @Townes888
    @Townes888 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    They hated them because vader and palpatine implemented the best possible way for sith to rule the galaxy

    • @GreaterGrievobeast55
      @GreaterGrievobeast55 ปีที่แล้ว

      The sith are just like any group, Traditionalists fits at any change. Even beneficial ones.

    • @exonymousprime
      @exonymousprime 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yet they only ruled the whole galaxy for 20 to 30 years when the old Sith Empire ruled half the galaxy for over a thousand years out in the open battlefield fighting the Jedi and Republic, not acting like cowards in the shadows and bearly getting to rule for a few decades.
      The Old Sith Empire ruled over 1,000 years vs The rule of two Sith ruled for like 20 to 30 years. Yeah, it's pretty clear, which had the better plan the Old Sith Empire

  • @nickmattio3397
    @nickmattio3397 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “Hai Ate Chew!”-Ghost Momin to Palpatine

  • @jeffreyconner2937
    @jeffreyconner2937 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They obviously disapproved of Papaltine being a politician.

  • @michaeldegooijer7401
    @michaeldegooijer7401 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Seriously, if you fail one way in trying to conquer a galaxy (which the Sith have in the past) then it time to try something different.
    And that's what Palpatine did

    • @levicarpenter5509
      @levicarpenter5509 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Bro the sith empire stood for centuries while palps empire stood for 20 years how did the Acient sith fail in conquering the galaxy

    • @midniteryder_3-16
      @midniteryder_3-16 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@levicarpenter5509tall tales compared 2 sidious’ actual results!

    • @levicarpenter5509
      @levicarpenter5509 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@midniteryder_3-16 if you think ruling the galaxy for 20 years isn't actual results then what it

    • @doubleoof7907
      @doubleoof7907 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@levicarpenter5509Yeah and the sith empire was effectively relegated to the outer reaches of the Galaxy whereas Sidious got basically all of it

  • @emperorbarina
    @emperorbarina 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Ehhh, Palpatine REALLY was the most successful out of them all.

    • @levicarpenter5509
      @levicarpenter5509 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not really

    • @emperorbarina
      @emperorbarina 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      One of the most evil tho.

    • @OmniSphinx
      @OmniSphinx 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@emperorbarinaYou're right.

  • @mahdiesmaili7782
    @mahdiesmaili7782 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ancient siths: Nuh theynot n@zi enough

  • @rKhael53
    @rKhael53 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    - You forgot FUN !
    - Sorry, can't hear you through my Chess in 4D Galactic scale game B-) *grabs pop-corn as the two factions he rules fight to the death just as intended*

  • @mikaelwojciechowski7281
    @mikaelwojciechowski7281 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a Scandinavian, Momin made me laugh, as it made think of the Moomins 😂

  • @impeccablebybirth
    @impeccablebybirth 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The point of the sith rule of two is so that the sith always gets stronger. I imagine they hated palpatine because he started to hoard and wanted to be the sith forever.

  • @user-vk4sh1te1j
    @user-vk4sh1te1j 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Also in episode 10 at 1:38. Mual wonders about a “time upon them” referring to the creation of Vader from palpatine

  • @originalSiiiN
    @originalSiiiN 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    how can an Ancient Sith Lord hate a Sith Lord from the future?..

  • @chatongarou7665
    @chatongarou7665 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Every old siths when Palpatine Dies and brings an end to the sith order because of his greed : "I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO"

  • @Juicytoasty
    @Juicytoasty 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Palpatine- “They hate us, ‘cuz they ain’t us.”

  • @RobertHunt-tn4jz
    @RobertHunt-tn4jz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The day I got the Knights of the Old Republic I stayed up all night long playing it it was cool to see Sith soldiers with permission others continue the story of the movie I went to see in 77

  • @Captainkebbles1392
    @Captainkebbles1392 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Palps def felt more like the guy who has Sith allegiance but has his own goals and actually, in a messed up way, wants to have a peaceful and ordered galaxy vs just a play house of a galexy

  • @Iamgodsarmy
    @Iamgodsarmy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The balance is always tipping

  • @TheWTFsauce
    @TheWTFsauce 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like how at the base of the philosophies the sith just think it’s cowardly to just work from the shadows and strike at the right moment even though there are sith assassins, while the Jedi think following one emotions can lead one to the dark side but it’s ok the bone whenever or whoever so long as you don’t marry

  • @KickYouInTheThroat
    @KickYouInTheThroat 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They may not like it, but this is what peak Sith lording looks like.

  • @m.t-thoughts8919
    @m.t-thoughts8919 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ngl freezing a whole city in time for the laulz is a bigger flex then to rule galaxies

  • @aircoolguy5218
    @aircoolguy5218 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “They hate us because they ain’t us 🙏” -Vader and Palpatine

  • @mbeu15a
    @mbeu15a 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bureaucracy is more terrifying than freezing time.

  • @H.Munchy1219
    @H.Munchy1219 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Anyone here curios what it would be like to see sith lords from the old era to now playing monopoly together?

  • @AndorRadnai
    @AndorRadnai 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Chaotic Evil being disgusted by the antics of Lawful Evil… How the turntables!

  • @acelilumelody4445
    @acelilumelody4445 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ancient sith: your methods are lame
    Palpatine: oh yeah? What colours your death star?

  • @ketchupedits4253
    @ketchupedits4253 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “You have become the very thing you swore to destroy!”

  • @murrayshekelberg9754
    @murrayshekelberg9754 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I heard Darth Cognus was cyber-bullying Palpatine and called him a poser.

  • @schumy0724
    @schumy0724 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where do you get this info? I never heard of any of this.

    • @peaceweapon1933
      @peaceweapon1933 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The canon Darth Vader comics from Marvel

  • @lordtaitos4212
    @lordtaitos4212 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the idea they are hated because they didn’t grab the villain ball hard enough.

  • @gliderfs621
    @gliderfs621 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kreia : compared to ancient sith and jedi, we are children playing with lightsabers

  • @user-vk4sh1te1j
    @user-vk4sh1te1j 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    VADER FORTRESS I NOTICED SOMETHING IN S7E9 of the clone wars. At the 10:37-39 Obi-wan talks about the empress of Mandalore and not allowing his relation to her “cloud his judgement” in turn causes Anakin to react due to Padme.

  • @8ctiger
    @8ctiger 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How did past Sith disapprove of future Sith? Could they see in the future?

  • @hartyewh1
    @hartyewh1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Darth Moomin? This is an interesting crossover I must say😮

  • @GarManarnar
    @GarManarnar 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That combined with the fact that the force itself viewed the Death Star as an abomination for creating force scars

  • @doubleoof7907
    @doubleoof7907 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A lot of the people seem to be missing a point: The ancient sith were essentially the proud warrior culture trope and thus they thought Palpatine’s way of conquering the galaxy was lame and for doodoo baby cowards

  • @soplam9555
    @soplam9555 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "I can fell your anger, makes you focus, makes you stonger" - Lord Sidious

  • @NayuzAqua
    @NayuzAqua 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sidious: Nah they're mad that we can make Death Stars

    • @TheKhanofKhans
      @TheKhanofKhans หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ancient Sith:„Nah we’re mad cuz you are a weakling. We didn’t even need Death Stars to destroy planets.”

  • @dairydregone7146
    @dairydregone7146 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As the metaphor goes. Same coin but on a different side.

  • @staple_boi
    @staple_boi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Damn that's a good point actually

  • @Pvarryboing
    @Pvarryboing 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Freeze city in time.."
    Oh damn thats cool
    "....for fun"
    ☠️⁉️

  • @kazukid8027
    @kazukid8027 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is why ___ HATED (insert video title) is all Star Wars content is now

  • @nicholasmarshall8430
    @nicholasmarshall8430 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought it was only Vader who was wanting to kill Jedi the most and Pappy was like whatever dude.

  • @Vincent_A.
    @Vincent_A. 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sounds like the Drukhari criticizing the Imperium

  • @adriannelson4214
    @adriannelson4214 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tell me again how long dead ancient sith can have opinions on more recent ones?

  • @Auvas_Damask
    @Auvas_Damask ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh Sidious and the Inquisitors were kept secret, at least the Inquisitors within the core worlds, but Vader was known

  • @tanvirahmedaadeef1034
    @tanvirahmedaadeef1034 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Momin was a special kid lol

  • @xxmephxx
    @xxmephxx 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Revan might've hated palps' guts if they ever met, and probably killed him in 5 minutes tops, but they would've been seething with envy at the successful galaxy takeover

  • @saulhinojoza2457
    @saulhinojoza2457 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    He called them posers lmao

  • @edgareliseev1773
    @edgareliseev1773 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Didn't even Darth Nihilus's ghost make fun of Palpatine when he tried to go to Korriban?

  • @Aegir721
    @Aegir721 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How did ancient sith even know of Palpatine and Vader? Sith seeing the future was an absolute rarity

  • @cannedtuna6114
    @cannedtuna6114 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How can one disapprove if they’re already dead?

    • @peaceweapon1933
      @peaceweapon1933 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You are talking about movies where they literally talked to a ghost in the first movie

  • @TheCyberGoblin
    @TheCyberGoblin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am yet to see Darth Momin’s name without reading it as Darth Moomin

    • @VTsiFanfic
      @VTsiFanfic 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He froze a city in time so he wouldnt forgor it. We moomin now.