It is bad take yes. but Ramos is obviously overrated as a defender. A lot of mistakes, a lot of red cards. Pepe is clear than him as a defender, not as a goal scorer from corners
@@L.Vazquez because defenders famously do not tackle you have different ways of defending, one isn't better then the other Also defenders also are just 1 out of 10 outfield players that have to use their feet, defenders also have to play in possesion and that's where Ramos clears everyone and I mean he is number 1
@@tybomortier1211good point, he started out as a right back, his on the ball play is underrated . But the trophy count definitely does a lot for him - is he top 5 all time in ability?
Its not a terrible take but realistically the guy played in a position based system which ment he dint have to face counters and attacks as much. Vandijk and Terry are just by far better
@@iprince7934 if u look at it that way Ramos doesn't deserve top either. Without Madrid he would be nowhere close to he is today. Most red cards multiple fouls which cost his team quite a number of times and sometimes managed to get away thanks to Madrid. One thing he is better than others is goalscoring
@@stackguap are u going to ignore that pique also has the same trophies? That Spain team was busted anyways. With or without Ramos they would have won those trophies. Trophies are important but that doesn't mean one defender is better than the other at defending. If u go for trophies alone Ramos is very decorated and successful but in terms of defending abilities there are better defenders than him who haven't won much
Thiago Silva should be ahead of Pique and be considered tier 1...the fact that he could come to the Premier league now and dominate it at 39 is just insane....the only reason why he doesn't get as hyped as Ramos is because of his cool nature, and ain't as aggressive and Ramos moment in the UCL while Thiago Silva played in PSG who had no chance of winning the UCL and internationally Brazil's midfield were so bad
If this was based solely on individual ability/completeness, VVD is at the top of this list. He's the best passer, physical freak, rapid (pre-ACL), aerially dominant, tackle success rate is off the charts, clutch goals, captain of club and country. Not a single hole in his game. He revolutionised that klopp side, all whilst having to compensate for the most attacking full-backs that the EPL had seen at that point with a super high line. Obviously "greatness" incorporates a lot of intangibles though. the only thing that works against him is he was somewhat of a late bloomer, moving to LFC at 26. But the man has been regarded as the best CB (or minimum top 2) on the planet ever since that Move. That's 8 years as the best in the business and counting.
@@1NTEN7ION the thing with Rudiger is I don’t think he’s been considered “the best in the world” yet. All the guys in table 1, and most in table 2 have. There’s every chance he might become the best ITW in the future though
There's no way Pique was a better player/defender than terrry. Putting pique over him is a disrespect in itself. Hell I won't even put ramos over terry. Ramos is above terry just because he played for Real madrid and Spain and won a lot. Terry just as a player is just behind Maldini, Nesta and Van dijk imo. But over longevity and acclodes he goes over van dijk.
VVD is a top class CB for 8 seasons at the very least ... But Terry was for longer ... If VVD does it for 3-4 seasons more, Terry is done and dusted @@mohdjunaid787
As a younger fan I must say these videos are incredible as someone who has not watched a lot of these players I learn so much from you just talking about all these players! BEST BALL KNOWLEDGE ON TH-cam!
As a Barça fan since the early 00's, I would pick Márquez over Piqué 99% of the time. Piqué frequently had atrocious spells and for his size he didn't have the dominant physical presence you would expect. Márquez was better defensively and just as good if not better with the ball. Barça's worst defenses over the years consistently feature Piqué. I don't expect everyone to agree, but I believe Márquez is incredibly underrated. He was the heart and best player of the mexican national team that got to 4th place in the FIFA rankings. He played and scored in several world cups, so he has the longevity as well. He won titles everywhere he went. Table 4 is criminal imo. I know I'm biased but I don't think the criteria established at the beginning of the video is respected throughout.
Van dijk is top 3 for me, but I respect that you at least put him in tier 1. Some people seriously disrespect him. 99,97,93 points and 3x UCL finals, playing the high line and high intense klopp ball. He also never really had a world class partner, although I really rate matip.
@@laci2002 it's an indication of how good him and the team are. Alex Ferguson never got over 93 points. If you have a brain, and understand context then you know how dominant the team actually was. 2 of those times they finished 1 point behind.
Yes Lyes put respect on Godin’s name. So so good and hardly gets the recognition he deserves. I have such a soft spot for that Atleti team of the 2010’s and Godin personifies what made that team so special. My favorite player of that era alongside Griezmann
i think Hummels is so underrated. Hummels is by far the best central defender on the ball. He could initiate any attack, whether with long balls, short balls or with runs forward. In addition, his defensive IQ was incredibly good. In 2014-2016 he was better than Pepe, Stam and Co ever were. His only downside was his pace, which sometimes made him look bad when Dortmund were stupidly ahead and Hummels had to cover alone. But as soon as Dortmund got a little further back, he was the best defender again like he was last year in the CL.
Nah, to be honest I can't co-sign Kompany in table 4, even with the injuries he was consistently one of the 3 or 4 most important players in the City team, including the centurions and the first title winners, if actually argue he was the best city player in 2012. He was even an automatic starter and a key figure during the euros and world cup in an era where Belgium were in their golden generation up until he retired. Especially if we consider your criteria of table 3 being closer to the 2s than the 4s, Kompany is definitely better than Ayneric, Stones and Koulibaly. He's far enough ahead of them for me to justify a table 3 at minimum.
Always hate to agree with a City fan as a United fan, but I remember my dad and I watching the derbies around 09 and 10 and the geezer always pointed out that Kompany was the best player in the team even when Robinho had signed. Not to mention the nightmares he gave us during the FA cup clashes and derbies in years to come, he might even have an argument for table 2 if he'd won the champions league.
I remember during the 17/18 season when we beat y'all 4-3😂 Salah scored a goal from the 40 yard because Ederson came out for a clearance and the first thing my brother said to me was 'if Kompany was here instead of Otamendi Ederson wouldn't have needed to come out, he would've dealt with it already, same with Mane's goal, he wouldn't have been alone at the edge of the box if Kompany was around'. Kompany had insane defensive insitinct and intuition.
"Barca had the best defence" - errr yeah because their midfield had like 80% possession every single game. It wasn't because they had a really good defence lol. You might as well also claim that Valdes was a World Class keeper while you are at it lmao.
@@LyesClips I won't go so far as to say you "don't know ball" because I generally think you have good takes but this is a howler mate. If you're talking about "elite" level keepers, Valdes was poor. He struggled with managing his near post. He was poor from crossing (largely because of his height which also limited his shot-stopping). He was very athletic, had great reactions and was good with his feet (both shot-stopping with his feet and short ranges distribution for the time) but that's about it. The guy loved a 'camera save' but let far too many suspect shots in, especially considering how few he had to face. I suggest you look up his shots faced to goal ratios or the retroactive XG stats they have put together vs other top keepers if you want more context.
Valdes? A world class keeper? Yeah, right. Barça's best defence then was their midfield. If you can get past their midfield your chances of scoring becomes too high for such a big club. They had no defenders who were good at one on one tackling. All their defenders were exceptional at playing out from the back but not for one on one tackling. And Valdes was terrible.
@@LyesClips Love the video Lyes but Rich is right. Valdes made some spectacular looking saves but he wasn't a great keeper. He benefited from playing for the best team ever and still made way too many mistakes.
You can’t say Pique didn’t have howlers in his game when Pique was literally part of the two biggest meltdowns in ucl history????? Not to mention Ramos has longer longevity and Pique couldn’t even hack it in the premier league. IMO you’re picking and choosing criteria on that argument. And don’t get me started on your undervaluing of big goal moments
Completely agree with you,he surely has a huge ball knowledge but he also made a huge mistake on this one.As a former Barca fan I couldnt stand Pique because of games vs Liverpool and Roma and his last 5 years at Barca he was just becoming significantly worse and a liability on defense.Ramos is definitely a better center back between two
@@LoyalFan9383 But bar Terry and VVD none of the 4 played in the Prem. I don’t think Pique’s Prem career should be a real mark against him considering what he achieved at Barcelona
@@AK-bj6fk well no one is saying ‘you have to do it in the prem or you suck’ unless you are on about the English or premtards, and yes you make a very good point which is why Salah is one of the best ever but it’s the fact that his Man U career holds him back from being the best, no one is denying his quality at Barcelona but seeing him at Man U is the deciding factor not the main reason
Did he ever do it in europe? International tournaments? Pl was vastly overrated when kompany was in his pomp, man city very unserious with multiple round of 16 knockouts. Standard of english league was also not high (washed utd, chelsea very hot and cold, arsenal in their banter era)
Pique was also starting in every one of Barcelona's most humiliating defeats in their history. No denying he was a brilliant CB but come on he had many shockers too!
@@pim5400 Most defenders suffer this too. Ramos at his peak was slapped 5:0 by Barca. And at his worst 5:1 by Barca. So I don’t really understand why this applies to pique and not other top defenders
@@Deathmare235 If we’re talking about prime then 2016/17 is his best ever year. And funnily enough he had 2 red cards in the 3 encounters he had with Barca that year. And was the same year Messi beat Madrid 3:2
Prime Piquet look like a genetic experiment of a perfect modern defender. Tall, fast, ball playing, defending, attacking he had it all. He showed personality and trolled opponents, thats why he gets trolled back harder then some IMO. Just like with lewa (pre flick) or Ronaldo in Saudi, modern grates post prime blunders/mistakes shouldn’t and don’t outweigh everything they did and achieved in their career prior.
@@DS-dw3pz Come back once you learn what a hyperbole is thanks, the main message(of the message) was just that it isn't a bad take and to make fun of the other comment that said it was his worst take.
@@mohdjunaid787anyone with eyes could see that Pique is a tier one cb people just focus on the latter years of his career where he was not at his best and forget the decade of elite cb play he gave us from 2008-2018
@@stackguapmate cmon people are really saying pique was like the reason of those Barca humiliations but no he was the best defender at Barcelona the fault was of alba ter stegen and all those other average defenders
Pique ahead of Ramos, Puyol, Terry, Van Dijk, Thiago Silva, Rio is crazy. Yes he won alot but he was never the best CB in the world. That's not good enough for tier 1. This is what happens when people are underrated (which pique was) they are underrated, then incredibly overrated And putting him ahead of Ramos and co, is incredibly stupid.
Great take from lyes....Pique is arguably the most disrespeted and underrated players of all time...world cup winning cb, won the euros, cl and countless leagues and other trophies and was a great passer and had amazing understanding of the game...his fall off was crazy but that doesn't mean he wasnt elite
Crazy to me how City players can just be constantly injured and it never hurts their stock. Reece James has played 25 more PL games than Stones since he joined Chelsea's first team. Maybe I was just out of the loop, but until the treble winning season I considered John Stones a failed transfer and he only played 23 PL games that season. Still you have people like El Fays calling him better than Rio Ferdinand.
i think u r ignoring the eye test with Pique....he defensively wasnt tht good...nd for me personally one of the reasons why MSN wasnt tht succesful is because Barca always had a bad defensive setup...even though at times they could embaress real madrid....it was more so to do with the fact tht they kept the ball well and could blitz opponents.....even when they dd tht they would concede a lot of chances...im a barca fan, for as long as i know my team they have never been the best defensively apart from the Xavi season when they won la liga
I would actually agree with Pique being table one. The last 5 years or so at Barça, it got really embarasing, getting demolished year in year out in the UCL, even getting knocked out in the group stage. Him directing traffic against Inter is iconic for a reason, that was horrendous. But none of that changes how good he was in the early 2010s and how much he achieved. But he's not greater than Ramos. Ramos is top 2 on this list for me. I'd put Maldini at #1 just because being a top 3 player of all time in 2 different positions is absolutely ridiculous, but Ramos was a beast. Goal scoring, heading, passing, dribbling, leadership, he was better than Nesta at all these things. I agree Nesta was better at defending, but that's not the only important thing, even for a CB. The same way that Edin Dzeko is not greater than R9 because he scored more goals, which is the traditional role of a striker, judging Ramos just on his defending does not paint the whole picture. How absolutely insane is it that this guy AS A CB is tied for 3rd most goals scored in UCL finals, only lagging behind 2 of his teammates? No player apart from that 3-peat Madrid side has scored more goals in UCL finals that his guy.
Pique was still world class until 19/20 where he lowered his level it was not his fault of all those ucl games Barca just had him as a defender alba was horrible umtiti is worse lenglet even worse semedo if I speak I get in trouble and ter stegen as the goalkeeper he’s probably the worst goalkeeper Barcelona has had
I've watched all these lists and this was definitely your least objective list out of all of them. VVD just insanely disrespected simply cause of accomplishments instead of actual "ability" as a defender. Other lists you prioritize "best" over "greatest" but this was definitely a accomplishment magnified list.
@@Just_Klutch but the other guys that you stated have won A WHOLE LOT more. He’s stated before in all his other tier list videos that achievements are taken into account for him. So them being placed being above vvd is not that shocking and it is not that “disrespectful”
@ Na you’re def right they have accomplished more but that is dependent on teams and eras. Something like ability is solely based on the individual but accomplishments have so much to do with the whole team. The impact in games that the other players have isn’t near the level of VVDs. He was there with Messi and Ronaldo for the best player in the world and that was deservingly.
Not a spurs fan but Koulibaly over Vertonghen and Alderwield is wild. Also Ramos definitely above Pique, his errors were never particularly costly, he scored over 100 goals for Madrid and his longevity and ability was ridiculous make no mistake. In terms of dominating the opposing striker, Pique may have slightly more defensive IQ but physically and tackling wise Ramos was far more dominant. I know he got a lot of reds but being aggressive is a good trait in a defender, its that Vidic Bonucci Chiellini school of rattling them and frustrating them that psychologically overpowers them.
Not a Liverpool fan at all but the guy is like Bron of football. Best athletically, incredibly IQ, incredible sweeper, elite ball player, sensational in the air etc.
Having Maldini and Nesta on the same era was a blessing for Milan that no other team could ever have again. Even beating the blessing of Messi and Barcelona.
@@Admiral_Kekdog complete package ramos is better. same With the strikers tier list it wasn't the person who scored the most goals that was in the s tier. Same with this, ramos isn't as good as of a defender but everything else puts him ahead
@@Admiral_Kekdog he's literally the perfect center that any coach would want... goals, tackles, clutch moments, aggression, leadership, sexy beard... what more u want?
Carragher in last table is insane. There are few center backs who have had bigger impacts in important games AND he was a consistent 7/10 for most of his career. Hid Champions League and FA Cup final performances were ridiculous and solely for tbat he should be higher!
Agreed but putting Hyypia on table 6 is arguably worse. At his peak he was a better centre back than Carragher not to mention the impact he had on Liverpool at the time as well Liverpool weren't good defensively in the 90's and his arrival along with the emergence of Carragher led to a decade where Liverpool has a really solid defense under Houllier and Benitez. That defense along with Gerrard was the spine of the 2001 treble and 2005 UCL
@ Yeah I didn’t even realize Hyypia was there that’s much much worse. I might be biased cause he’s one of my favourite players of all time but he should definitely be higher
As a Barca fan who has seen Pique for so many years, I dig your take. The only downside to Pique is he rarely had a good partner for a long time. Puyol left in 2013-14, Mache was good but we needed someone better than him in Europe when our fullbacks would go high, Umtiti was the best partner he had but he lost his physique after the WC, If Vermaelen had not been injury prone we wouldn't see those Europe exists from Roma and Pool. Pique was exceptional in many classicos and the partners around him let him down quite a few times while Ramos always had a good sidekick.
He's EASLY top 5, the only question is whether he was better than Ramos. As a defender I think he was, but as a player and a figure/leader to the team Ramos was, which is why I have Ramos above him. Although if you actually watched them both in their primes and throughout their careers, it's close.
@LoyalFan9383 he's easily better than Van Dijk, and maybe not easily but still better than Terry for me. Whether he's 3rd or 4th, or even 5th which I disagree with, he's top 5.
Your channel is great and u seem like a good guy. The problem with Centre Back lists is: What do u base it on? If just pure defending Chiellini, Vidic and Cannavaro should be top tier. VVD and Pique are better ball playing centre backs.
Agree with Tier 1 outside of Pique, JT/Ramos and VVD are much better overall. I would have most of Tier 2 ahead of Pique tbh, you can't tell me Thiago Silva/Jaap aren't better CB's than him.
@@abdiyusuf223 helps when you have the best midfield of all time ahead of you to keep the ball. Remind me again who was playing next to him with Spain? Oh yea Ramos and puyol 👍🏼. Mascherano looked like a good cb with Barca FFS, so that’s not a valid argument, with that midfield and forward line, teams couldn’t get ball
W list as a liverpool fan i was kinda scared his hot take was gonna be that VVD is table 3 or something but im happy to see him getting the respect he deserves and i agreed with the reasoning and ranking of all of the other players especially pique what a player he was man
OH HELL YEAH I was looking forward to see where you put Pique and you absolutely 100% did the right thing💪💪💪 That's it you ball knowledge is honestly amazing I gotta leave you a sub
Hyypia at table 6 is very harsh. People forget that Liverpool in the 90's were defensively horrendous. It was the signing of Sami Hyypia in 1999 along with his partnership with Henchoz that turned Liverpools fortunes around resulting in the 2001 cup treble Very underrated defender and was consistent for nearly a decade that peaked with the Champions League in 2005. Scored some huge goals as well especially in Europe
Pique screams table 2 to me, also the defensive record is good in the early 2010s because he had the greatest midfield trio ahead of him who never lost the ball
Pique over Cannavaro is MENTAL ILLNESS. Pique is a top CB, but Cannavaro is one of the very best to ever do it. His D'or win brings so much hate and revisionism on him. This is sick.
VVD TABLE 1 IS CERTIFIED MENTAL SICKNESS. GET YOUR HEAD CHECKED BROTHER. ANYONE WHO WATCHES FOOTBALL FOR MORE THAN A DECADE CANNOT SAY SUCH STUFF WITHOUT BEING ILL. WALLAHI THIS IS A DISGRACEFUL LIST, HORROR.
VVD being table 1 and Kompany being table 4 is so disrespectful! Kompany was unreal for a decade, captained his team to an era of absolute dominance, bullied defenders like its nothing! There is no way you have a 2 table gap between them I’m sorry
I am not even denying that VVD is probably the better of the two, but there is no way the difference is that big. Legacy wise Kompany destroys VVD. Ability wise VVD is probably better, but he is not 3 tables above better
Kompany is wayyy too low bro. Come on that is a horrible take! Absolutely no way he should be below Boateng, or Maqrues, or Sol Campbell or Bonucci. Also Boateng is way too high, should be low end of table 5 max.
I’m a Juve fan. Of the iconic Barzagli, Bonucci and Chiellini trio Bonucci was defensively the worst of the three. As soon as Bonucci lost the partnership his weaknesses were quickly exposed however he made up for them with his point perfect longballs. Barzagli is criminally underrated and I think purely for the fact he retired before the other two. Having said that Chiellini was by far the best, the greatest defender I have ever watched play in my lifetime (I started watching football in 2016 before anyone comes at me)
i don’t necessarily think i’d have pique above Ramos, but I could find numerous clips of Ramos being done by some fairly average LaLiga journeymen - anecdotes of ‘X player dribbled past Y defender therefore Y defender is shit’ don’t stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever when comparing defenders
Glik should be on there somehwre in the 5th tier just from the Monaco campaign as a captain, was a captain at Torino for many years, I know that Monaco team was stacked but he did the same in that euro 2016 QF Poland run when we only conceded 1 goal of the tournament to Shaqiri and one deflected goal to Sanchez. Also hummels def over varane. From Dortmund to Bayern to back to Dortmund he was class for a long time and insane on the ball.
The most iconic figure of the 3 Spanish defenders is Ramos but the best defender is Puyol, I would go Puyol > Ramos > Pique. That Spain defence in the World Cup was extremely solid and that was led by Puyol. There was a reason why Spain were allowed to score only 8 goals that whole tournament, they practically conceded nothing all tournament.
I don’t have a problem with Pique being at number 1 because I think he’s incredibly underrated and one of the best CB’s of all time without a doubt. But if he’s on there I think Rio should be there aswell
Why we acting as if pique was an average player of some sort? He literally dominated and was one of the key DEFENSIVE players for both barça and his country.
I don’t think pique is a tier one centre back his prime was absolutely amazing but he lacked consistency throughout the later back of his career, I personally rate puyol higher because of his consistency. And company by the looks of it is extremely underrated.
It’s kinda weird I would have said the complete opposite that he had crazy longevity and decent consistency until final few years but never had insane insane peak or year
@@justintime7351nah 2009 to 2012 he was insane and arguably the best in the world in his position after that he never got back to that level except probably 2015 and 2019 but the other years he wasn't that great and he had soo many howlers throughout those years
Pique tier 1 is absolute fckin insanity. You keep bringing up defensive record but you surely havent forgotten that Barcelona in their primes years had 70% + ball possesion most games. Everytime something went wrong or Barca looked bad Pigue was many times involved. He was one of the weaker links of prima Barca imo. Thats not the worst thing to be because he was still really good in the air and with his feet and thats the best team to have ever excist.
@LyesClips when someone says something with 5 emotes its like so dead instant... i expect more from you tbh obv the weakest link of PRIME barca was the gk but after that im looking towards pique and some others maybe but as i said being the ''weaker'' link of prime Barca doesnt mean you are bad just saying if im naming the best players of prime barca his name has to wait a bit to pop up
I’m a PSG fan and to be fair to Marquinhos he had an excellent 20/21 (the immediate season after O’Monstro left us) and had some clutch goals for us in the Champions League. He’s just unfortunately a player that relies heavily on confidence, intrinsically as a footballer I think he deserves much higher than table 5 but I’d understand arguments for his mentality keeping him that low.
Ramos 2016 peak if you watched him week in week out and should be a debate with him and nesta Maldini.. he had a run of like 40 games being unbeaten and he was crucial
Let’s not mention how there was a point in time where if Real Madrid got knocked out of the UCL it was because he wasn’t playing eg. Ajax, man city, even almost juventus that 17/18 season
He did say he had to take career and winning into account. VVD is way higher when it comes to peak and natural ability but he's held back by trophy cabinet and longevity (compared to the players above him)
Pique just doesn´t belong to that Table 1. Having him over Ramos, Terry, Cannavaro, Silva, Vidic, Puyol.... That just isn´t right My list would be something like this: Table 1: Maldini, Nesta, Cannavaro, Ramos, Terry, Silva Table 2: Vidic, Puyol, Ferdinand, Van Dijk, Chiellini, Stam Table 3: Pique, Godin, Kompany, Lucio, Carvalho, Hummels, Pepe, Varane, Bonucci, Campbell After that the diffedrences are so little and people´s preferences come to play so not bothering with the rest
If you could make ONE CHANGE to my final list…. what would you change?
Having boateng and marquez over kompany is crazy. Between 2010- 2015, he was consistently one of the best cb in PL
@ Those guys were consistently some of the best defenders in their leagues as well. Not to mention in Europe and Internationally too
@@mayozay5810 dont know about Boateng but Marquez is definitely better than Kompany
Pique over Ramos is the most brain dead you have ever said
Hey, big fan! What is chat/chet again? You explained it last week but I forgot 😅
That story about Lucio and Inter Milan in 09/10 was glorious.
All to move him down a tier
My unpopular opinion is that Lucio was probably Inter's most outstanding player that Champions League campaign, but Diego Milito gets the shine.
pique got umtiti paid 300k per week
Let’s not disrespect umtiti, the guy was even better than Varane in his prime and if he wasn’t injured he could be table 1
@@Deathmare235 bro whatt umtiti over varane what
@@jesseabiodun3059 at one point
@@Deathmare235at NO point lmao
@@JumpStreet-pj1hx You don’t watch La liga
pique one of the most disrespected players thank u lyes
Hes table 1 but he was not better than Ramos
@@jeevanthomas8095nah he’s not table 1
He was just above average in a great barca side. Fits great tier but nothing more. You don't think he's really greater than Silva, do you?
@@jeevanthomas8095 he was, not by a lot, but he was
Pique is overrated af. After Puyol retired he was mediocre at best
Pique underrated and overhated people glaze these modern defenders, pique was flawlessly preforming week in week out from 08 until 2015
You are right but no way is he over Ramos
@@DS-dw3pzwhat’s he correct with
He's overrated bc of team achievements
He was a defensive liability, he just rarely had to defend. Bro got spun on the regular
he is overrated. yes, back day underrated but today overrated. No way he is better then Puyol
Seeing Pique get the respect he deserves put a smile on my face
Pique in list 1 is disgusting
Most overrated defender in football history
@@calm123this is why he gets “ overrated “ bc ppl like you don’t understand just how good he was
That's not the respect he diserves, that's overrating him as a defender.
@@calm123pique literally pushed off Ramos from his spot in the euros and the World Cup. That’s his prime, not late 2010s
Of course you do you uefalona 🐁
Pique over Ramos is your worst take to date.
It is bad take yes. but Ramos is obviously overrated as a defender. A lot of mistakes, a lot of red cards. Pepe is clear than him as a defender, not as a goal scorer from corners
Ramos is a tackler
pique is the definition for a defender
@@L.Vazquez because defenders famously do not tackle
you have different ways of defending, one isn't better then the other
Also defenders also are just 1 out of 10 outfield players that have to use their feet, defenders also have to play in possesion and that's where Ramos clears everyone and I mean he is number 1
@@tybomortier1211good point, he started out as a right back, his on the ball play is underrated . But the trophy count definitely does a lot for him - is he top 5 all time in ability?
I haven’t watched the video yet no ways this man did that 😭😭😭
W Lyes for putting Pique in Table 1
Its not a terrible take but realistically the guy played in a position based system which ment he dint have to face counters and attacks as much. Vandijk and Terry are just by far better
@@iprince7934 if u look at it that way Ramos doesn't deserve top either. Without Madrid he would be nowhere close to he is today. Most red cards multiple fouls which cost his team quite a number of times and sometimes managed to get away thanks to Madrid. One thing he is better than others is goalscoring
@@rohank8783 Are you going to ignore the fact that he won 2 Euros and a World Cup
@@stackguap are u going to ignore that pique also has the same trophies? That Spain team was busted anyways. With or without Ramos they would have won those trophies. Trophies are important but that doesn't mean one defender is better than the other at defending. If u go for trophies alone Ramos is very decorated and successful but in terms of defending abilities there are better defenders than him who haven't won much
@@rohank8783 Pique doesn't have the same trophies, wasn't there for 08
Thiago Silva should be ahead of Pique and be considered tier 1...the fact that he could come to the Premier league now and dominate it at 39 is just insane....the only reason why he doesn't get as hyped as Ramos is because of his cool nature, and ain't as aggressive and Ramos moment in the UCL while Thiago Silva played in PSG who had no chance of winning the UCL and internationally Brazil's midfield were so bad
If this was based solely on individual ability/completeness, VVD is at the top of this list. He's the best passer, physical freak, rapid (pre-ACL), aerially dominant, tackle success rate is off the charts, clutch goals, captain of club and country. Not a single hole in his game. He revolutionised that klopp side, all whilst having to compensate for the most attacking full-backs that the EPL had seen at that point with a super high line. Obviously "greatness" incorporates a lot of intangibles though.
the only thing that works against him is he was somewhat of a late bloomer, moving to LFC at 26. But the man has been regarded as the best CB (or minimum top 2) on the planet ever since that Move. That's 8 years as the best in the business and counting.
Remember Virgil is still playing 😂 if he wins the league / Cl this season or next season he has potential to be the greatest
Same with Rudiger in table 3 who could easily become a great
@@1NTEN7ION the thing with Rudiger is I don’t think he’s been considered “the best in the world” yet. All the guys in table 1, and most in table 2 have. There’s every chance he might become the best ITW in the future though
@davidm2436 yeah ofc I don't mean he'll become one of the best ever but he has the chance to become top 10 for example if he wins a few more trophies
Based on his list, VVD is currently the best CB in the world. Let's take that from a Man U fan 😅
I’m just glad Terry got the respect he deserves. He was so good
There's no way Pique was a better player/defender than terrry. Putting pique over him is a disrespect in itself. Hell I won't even put ramos over terry. Ramos is above terry just because he played for Real madrid and Spain and won a lot. Terry just as a player is just behind Maldini, Nesta and Van dijk imo. But over longevity and acclodes he goes over van dijk.
@ yeah I agree Pique wasn’t that good, but I know arguing against that was pointless
Terry was a joke what a playee
VVD is a top class CB for 8 seasons at the very least ... But Terry was for longer ... If VVD does it for 3-4 seasons more, Terry is done and dusted @@mohdjunaid787
As a younger fan I must say these videos are incredible as someone who has not watched a lot of these players I learn so much from you just talking about all these players! BEST BALL KNOWLEDGE ON TH-cam!
As a Barça fan since the early 00's, I would pick Márquez over Piqué 99% of the time. Piqué frequently had atrocious spells and for his size he didn't have the dominant physical presence you would expect. Márquez was better defensively and just as good if not better with the ball. Barça's worst defenses over the years consistently feature Piqué.
I don't expect everyone to agree, but I believe Márquez is incredibly underrated. He was the heart and best player of the mexican national team that got to 4th place in the FIFA rankings. He played and scored in several world cups, so he has the longevity as well. He won titles everywhere he went. Table 4 is criminal imo. I know I'm biased but I don't think the criteria established at the beginning of the video is respected throughout.
Van dijk is top 3 for me, but I respect that you at least put him in tier 1. Some people seriously disrespect him. 99,97,93 points and 3x UCL finals, playing the high line and high intense klopp ball. He also never really had a world class partner, although I really rate matip.
Has and amazing partner with konate now
Lol when did we start counting second position points as trophies 😂😂
@@laci2002why does that matter? It’s better than most CB’s ever, I’ll laugh at the fact that maldini and nesta have never done that 😂😂 😂😂
@@laci2002 it's an indication of how good him and the team are. Alex Ferguson never got over 93 points. If you have a brain, and understand context then you know how dominant the team actually was. 2 of those times they finished 1 point behind.
Thankfully he has a world class CB partner now in Konate, absolute beast!
Yes Lyes put respect on Godin’s name. So so good and hardly gets the recognition he deserves. I have such a soft spot for that Atleti team of the 2010’s and Godin personifies what made that team so special. My favorite player of that era alongside Griezmann
Godin over Chiellini deserves a criminal record.
Pique ahead of terry, Silva and Ramos 😭😭😭
Ramos yeah. But terry and silva over pique 🤣🤣.
ramos is so overated
@@zerefdragneel69Terry is better than Ramos maybe
Piqué and ramos is debatable but he clears silva and terry and probably should not even be in the same tier
@@Deathmare235😂😂Terry is closer to Godín than pique
i think Hummels is so underrated. Hummels is by far the best central defender on the ball. He could initiate any attack, whether with long balls, short balls or with runs forward. In addition, his defensive IQ was incredibly good. In 2014-2016 he was better than Pepe, Stam and Co ever were. His only downside was his pace, which sometimes made him look bad when Dortmund were stupidly ahead and Hummels had to cover alone. But as soon as Dortmund got a little further back, he was the best defender again like he was last year in the CL.
Not even better than boateng
And he’s way better than Pique
@@AlexM-mi7kt Hummels was the mainreason Dortmund made it to the cl Final last season
Hummers def tier 2 for sure
@@jabran3232hummers is so good because he's consitant
Nah, to be honest I can't co-sign Kompany in table 4, even with the injuries he was consistently one of the 3 or 4 most important players in the City team, including the centurions and the first title winners, if actually argue he was the best city player in 2012. He was even an automatic starter and a key figure during the euros and world cup in an era where Belgium were in their golden generation up until he retired. Especially if we consider your criteria of table 3 being closer to the 2s than the 4s, Kompany is definitely better than Ayneric, Stones and Koulibaly. He's far enough ahead of them for me to justify a table 3 at minimum.
Always hate to agree with a City fan as a United fan, but I remember my dad and I watching the derbies around 09 and 10 and the geezer always pointed out that Kompany was the best player in the team even when Robinho had signed. Not to mention the nightmares he gave us during the FA cup clashes and derbies in years to come, he might even have an argument for table 2 if he'd won the champions league.
I remember during the 17/18 season when we beat y'all 4-3😂 Salah scored a goal from the 40 yard because Ederson came out for a clearance and the first thing my brother said to me was 'if Kompany was here instead of Otamendi Ederson wouldn't have needed to come out, he would've dealt with it already, same with Mane's goal, he wouldn't have been alone at the edge of the box if Kompany was around'. Kompany had insane defensive insitinct and intuition.
I'm a united fan and I absolutely agree. Tbh Terry, Vidic, Rio, Kompany. There is not a lot to pick between any of these in terms of quality.
Have to agree. Personally consider that Leicester goal as his crowning glory, definitely the best of the city CBs over that period
Table 3 imo.
I appreciate the way Lyes is willing to bend and adjust the tiers to better demonstrate his thought process
"Barca had the best defence" - errr yeah because their midfield had like 80% possession every single game. It wasn't because they had a really good defence lol. You might as well also claim that Valdes was a World Class keeper while you are at it lmao.
Valdes was a very good keeper who bailed out Barca in big moments on NUMEROUS occasions. You can’t rewrite history man
@@LyesClips I won't go so far as to say you "don't know ball" because I generally think you have good takes but this is a howler mate.
If you're talking about "elite" level keepers, Valdes was poor. He struggled with managing his near post. He was poor from crossing (largely because of his height which also limited his shot-stopping). He was very athletic, had great reactions and was good with his feet (both shot-stopping with his feet and short ranges distribution for the time) but that's about it. The guy loved a 'camera save' but let far too many suspect shots in, especially considering how few he had to face. I suggest you look up his shots faced to goal ratios or the retroactive XG stats they have put together vs other top keepers if you want more context.
Valdes? A world class keeper? Yeah, right.
Barça's best defence then was their midfield.
If you can get past their midfield your chances of scoring becomes too high for such a big club. They had no defenders who were good at one on one tackling. All their defenders were exceptional at playing out from the back but not for one on one tackling. And Valdes was terrible.
@@LyesClips Love the video Lyes but Rich is right. Valdes made some spectacular looking saves but he wasn't a great keeper. He benefited from playing for the best team ever and still made way too many mistakes.
@ Wow. None of their defenders could tackle and they had an awful keeper. They won all those trophies with 6 players i guess🤣🤣🤣
Finally someone who gives Godin the respect he deserves
He's my fav defender
You can’t say Pique didn’t have howlers in his game when Pique was literally part of the two biggest meltdowns in ucl history????? Not to mention Ramos has longer longevity and Pique couldn’t even hack it in the premier league. IMO you’re picking and choosing criteria on that argument. And don’t get me started on your undervaluing of big goal moments
Completely agree with you,he surely has a huge ball knowledge but he also made a huge mistake on this one.As a former Barca fan I couldnt stand Pique because of games vs Liverpool and Roma and his last 5 years at Barca he was just becoming significantly worse and a liability on defense.Ramos is definitely a better center back between two
Why does hacking it in the Prem matter?
@@AK-bj6fkwell it’s not more so ‘hacking it in the prem’ but it’s more of the fact that he played there and flopped
@@LoyalFan9383 But bar Terry and VVD none of the 4 played in the Prem. I don’t think Pique’s Prem career should be a real mark against him considering what he achieved at Barcelona
@@AK-bj6fk well no one is saying ‘you have to do it in the prem or you suck’ unless you are on about the English or premtards, and yes you make a very good point which is why Salah is one of the best ever but it’s the fact that his Man U career holds him back from being the best, no one is denying his quality at Barcelona but seeing him at Man U is the deciding factor not the main reason
Kompany at t4 is criminal. But consistent with your underrating city players through the other tier lists.
Did he ever do it in europe? International tournaments? Pl was vastly overrated when kompany was in his pomp, man city very unserious with multiple round of 16 knockouts. Standard of english league was also not high (washed utd, chelsea very hot and cold, arsenal in their banter era)
Pique was also starting in every one of Barcelona's most humiliating defeats in their history. No denying he was a brilliant CB but come on he had many shockers too!
Yeah and in almost all of the european fiascos barca have had this past decade, he has been at fault for a lot of them
@@pim5400 Most defenders suffer this too. Ramos at his peak was slapped 5:0 by Barca. And at his worst 5:1 by Barca. So I don’t really understand why this applies to pique and not other top defenders
Sure the score lines are bad but our defence was perfect in those games, not sure what more pique could’ve done against Bayern
@@DaxcellRamthat’s cause Ramos wasn’t in his prime yet
@@Deathmare235 If we’re talking about prime then 2016/17 is his best ever year. And funnily enough he had 2 red cards in the 3 encounters he had with Barca that year. And was the same year Messi beat Madrid 3:2
Prime Piquet look like a genetic experiment of a perfect modern defender. Tall, fast, ball playing, defending, attacking he had it all.
He showed personality and trolled opponents, thats why he gets trolled back harder then some IMO.
Just like with lewa (pre flick) or Ronaldo in Saudi, modern grates post prime blunders/mistakes shouldn’t and don’t outweigh everything they did and achieved in their career prior.
Pique over Ramos is your best take to date.
Best take? Lmaoooo
@@DS-dw3pzramos is a red card merchant bro😂😂
@@DS-dw3pz Come back once you learn what a hyperbole is thanks, the main message(of the message) was just that it isn't a bad take and to make fun of the other comment that said it was his worst take.
@@Void-qd2qy come back once you start making sense....it may not be his worst take but it's still a bad take
@@liansonmung8779 I feel he's overrated when compared to Thiago Silva Maldini Nesta but he's definitely better than Pique bruh
Pique disrespect had gone too far thank you for giving him the respect he deserves Lyes.
Trust mate only Barca fans would put him in tier-1.
@@mohdjunaid787anyone with eyes could see that Pique is a tier one cb people just focus on the latter years of his career where he was not at his best and forget the decade of elite cb play he gave us from 2008-2018
I only see Barca fans backing Lyes' awful take, wonder why
@@stackguapmate cmon people are really saying pique was like the reason of those Barca humiliations but no he was the best defender at Barcelona the fault was of alba ter stegen and all those other average defenders
He’s clearly one of the best ever but absolutely not a top 5, kind of ruins this list
Pique ahead of Ramos, Puyol, Terry, Van Dijk, Thiago Silva, Rio is crazy. Yes he won alot but he was never the best CB in the world. That's not good enough for tier 1. This is what happens when people are underrated (which pique was) they are underrated, then incredibly overrated And putting him ahead of Ramos and co, is incredibly stupid.
Pique 2015 is miles better than Puyol, Terry, VVD, Silva and Rio 👍
Nah Pique is on their level and maybe better he was insane especially in 2009-2015
@@NewcastleUnitedFC1892 My arse.
@@NewcastleUnitedFC1892no version of pique was ever better than VVD
@@indianbossman606 waffle
Great take from lyes....Pique is arguably the most disrespeted and underrated players of all time...world cup winning cb, won the euros, cl and countless leagues and other trophies and was a great passer and had amazing understanding of the game...his fall off was crazy but that doesn't mean he wasnt elite
As a Finn it warms my heart seeing Hyypia on this kind of a list
Seeing Piqué in the GOAT tier above Rio & Thiago Silva in the thumbnail is sinful.
Thiago Silva hype in big 2024😆
@TheExclusivemindset he was that good
@@patriciamchunu4936 let me guess your either a psg or a Chelsea fan😂
@@TheExclusivemindset regardless.
I've seen all 3 (Thiago Silva, Rio & Piqué) & the thumbnail.
@ man said regardless😂😂. So I’m right?. If I had to guess I would say you’re a Chelsea fan😉.
Pique was never regarded as better than Ramos when they were playing. What are we doing
Crazy to me how City players can just be constantly injured and it never hurts their stock. Reece James has played 25 more PL games than Stones since he joined Chelsea's first team. Maybe I was just out of the loop, but until the treble winning season I considered John Stones a failed transfer and he only played 23 PL games that season. Still you have people like El Fays calling him better than Rio Ferdinand.
16/17 - 19/20 you can definitely say stones didn’t live up to his price, but since the start of 20/21 he’s been amazing
i think u r ignoring the eye test with Pique....he defensively wasnt tht good...nd for me personally one of the reasons why MSN wasnt tht succesful is because Barca always had a bad defensive setup...even though at times they could embaress real madrid....it was more so to do with the fact tht they kept the ball well and could blitz opponents.....even when they dd tht they would concede a lot of chances...im a barca fan, for as long as i know my team they have never been the best defensively apart from the Xavi season when they won la liga
Completely agree with Nesta’s rating. He is truly the best CB of the 21st century
20:37 stray on Fuad 😭😂😂
I agree with Nesta above Maldini as a CB. It's fair as Maldini played most of his career as a LB.
Pique that high is mental to me, I’ve never seen him as a table 1 cb. Table 2 yes but above Ramos seems mental
At worst he’s right at the bottom of table 1
I would actually agree with Pique being table one. The last 5 years or so at Barça, it got really embarasing, getting demolished year in year out in the UCL, even getting knocked out in the group stage. Him directing traffic against Inter is iconic for a reason, that was horrendous. But none of that changes how good he was in the early 2010s and how much he achieved.
But he's not greater than Ramos. Ramos is top 2 on this list for me. I'd put Maldini at #1 just because being a top 3 player of all time in 2 different positions is absolutely ridiculous, but Ramos was a beast. Goal scoring, heading, passing, dribbling, leadership, he was better than Nesta at all these things. I agree Nesta was better at defending, but that's not the only important thing, even for a CB. The same way that Edin Dzeko is not greater than R9 because he scored more goals, which is the traditional role of a striker, judging Ramos just on his defending does not paint the whole picture. How absolutely insane is it that this guy AS A CB is tied for 3rd most goals scored in UCL finals, only lagging behind 2 of his teammates? No player apart from that 3-peat Madrid side has scored more goals in UCL finals that his guy.
Pique was still world class until 19/20 where he lowered his level it was not his fault of all those ucl games Barca just had him as a defender alba was horrible umtiti is worse lenglet even worse semedo if I speak I get in trouble and ter stegen as the goalkeeper he’s probably the worst goalkeeper Barcelona has had
I've watched all these lists and this was definitely your least objective list out of all of them. VVD just insanely disrespected simply cause of accomplishments instead of actual "ability" as a defender. Other lists you prioritize "best" over "greatest" but this was definitely a accomplishment magnified list.
I don’t get how vvd is disrespected, when he threw him at table 1 and even opened up a spot to put him there?
@ Putting VVD behind terry, pique and ramos is clearly not off defending ability
@@Just_Klutch but the other guys that you stated have won A WHOLE LOT more. He’s stated before in all his other tier list videos that achievements are taken into account for him. So them being placed being above vvd is not that shocking and it is not that “disrespectful”
@ Na you’re def right they have accomplished more but that is dependent on teams and eras. Something like ability is solely based on the individual but accomplishments have so much to do with the whole team. The impact in games that the other players have isn’t near the level of VVDs. He was there with Messi and Ronaldo for the best player in the world and that was deservingly.
Can't believe my eyes watching Ramos below Pique.
Godín take is real. The man is way too underrated
Pique getting the respect he deserves. He got so washed out at the end that people forget how good he once was.
Not a spurs fan but Koulibaly over Vertonghen and Alderwield is wild. Also Ramos definitely above Pique, his errors were never particularly costly, he scored over 100 goals for Madrid and his longevity and ability was ridiculous make no mistake. In terms of dominating the opposing striker, Pique may have slightly more defensive IQ but physically and tackling wise Ramos was far more dominant. I know he got a lot of reds but being aggressive is a good trait in a defender, its that Vidic Bonucci Chiellini school of rattling them and frustrating them that psychologically overpowers them.
VVD best CB ever at his peak WALAHI
Not a Liverpool fan at all but the guy is like Bron of football. Best athletically, incredibly IQ, incredible sweeper, elite ball player, sensational in the air etc.
@@EthicalBallprime yes but in football consistency matter so he not even close
Having Maldini and Nesta on the same era was a blessing for Milan that no other team could ever have again. Even beating the blessing of Messi and Barcelona.
ramos > pique button
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Ramos>>>>>pique button is better
Nobody argues about that. But Ramos as a defender is overrated because of his goals. In defending Pepe was always better than him
@@Admiral_Kekdog complete package ramos is better. same With the strikers tier list it wasn't the person who scored the most goals that was in the s tier. Same with this, ramos isn't as good as of a defender but everything else puts him ahead
@@Admiral_Kekdog he's literally the perfect center that any coach would want... goals, tackles, clutch moments, aggression, leadership, sexy beard... what more u want?
@@davispaul2279Llll
Best list i've seen, Pique and Van Dijk are all time greats.
Yo that table 1 is kinda mad. Having guys like Pique, Ramos and Terry on the same table as Nesta and Maldini is wild to me, but hey, it's not my list.
ramos and terry are on the same tier as nesta yes
Terry is head of best defensive stat in football history
Ramos was elite also, both are in that tier
@@calm123 Ramos was not an elite defender, and I don't think Terry was, either.
@@mike04574 Nah. Nesta is miles clear.
@@Al-ji4gdterry was are you mad pure defender
Carragher in last table is insane. There are few center backs who have had bigger impacts in important games AND he was a consistent 7/10 for most of his career. Hid Champions League and FA Cup final performances were ridiculous and solely for tbat he should be higher!
Agreed but putting Hyypia on table 6 is arguably worse. At his peak he was a better centre back than Carragher not to mention the impact he had on Liverpool at the time as well
Liverpool weren't good defensively in the 90's and his arrival along with the emergence of Carragher led to a decade where Liverpool has a really solid defense under Houllier and Benitez. That defense along with Gerrard was the spine of the 2001 treble and 2005 UCL
@ Yeah I didn’t even realize Hyypia was there that’s much much worse. I might be biased cause he’s one of my favourite players of all time but he should definitely be higher
put respect on Pique's name!!!
As a Barca fan who has seen Pique for so many years, I dig your take. The only downside to Pique is he rarely had a good partner for a long time. Puyol left in 2013-14, Mache was good but we needed someone better than him in Europe when our fullbacks would go high, Umtiti was the best partner he had but he lost his physique after the WC, If Vermaelen had not been injury prone we wouldn't see those Europe exists from Roma and Pool. Pique was exceptional in many classicos and the partners around him let him down quite a few times while Ramos always had a good sidekick.
Because Pique is underrated doesnt mean he should be overrated. Pique top 5 is nasty work Lyes😭
You have started watching football 5 years ago, when Piqué was declining
@@miquelcanosasanteularia1678oh dear
He's EASLY top 5, the only question is whether he was better than Ramos. As a defender I think he was, but as a player and a figure/leader to the team Ramos was, which is why I have Ramos above him.
Although if you actually watched them both in their primes and throughout their careers, it's close.
@ definitely not ‘easily’ lmfao
@LoyalFan9383 he's easily better than Van Dijk, and maybe not easily but still better than Terry for me. Whether he's 3rd or 4th, or even 5th which I disagree with, he's top 5.
Your channel is great and u seem like a good guy. The problem with Centre Back lists is: What do u base it on? If just pure defending Chiellini, Vidic and Cannavaro should be top tier. VVD and Pique are better ball playing centre backs.
Agree with Tier 1 outside of Pique, JT/Ramos and VVD are much better overall. I would have most of Tier 2 ahead of Pique tbh, you can't tell me Thiago Silva/Jaap aren't better CB's than him.
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Pique is one of the best ever easily as well
Pique was the centre back of the best team in football history and the best international team in the last two decades
@@abdiyusuf223 helps when you have the best midfield of all time ahead of you to keep the ball. Remind me again who was playing next to him with Spain? Oh yea Ramos and puyol 👍🏼. Mascherano looked like a good cb with Barca FFS, so that’s not a valid argument, with that midfield and forward line, teams couldn’t get ball
@@fuhadakindele9294so
W list as a liverpool fan i was kinda scared his hot take was gonna be that VVD is table 3 or something but im happy to see him getting the respect he deserves and i agreed with the reasoning and ranking of all of the other players especially pique what a player he was man
I agree with that Pique take Lyes. He is insanely disrespected for his last years at Barca and for what mbappe and bayern did to him
OH HELL YEAH
I was looking forward to see where you put Pique and you absolutely 100% did the right thing💪💪💪
That's it you ball knowledge is honestly amazing I gotta leave you a sub
Video suggestion: Ranking the best World Cup players since 2000
Hyypia at table 6 is very harsh. People forget that Liverpool in the 90's were defensively horrendous. It was the signing of Sami Hyypia in 1999 along with his partnership with Henchoz that turned Liverpools fortunes around resulting in the 2001 cup treble
Very underrated defender and was consistent for nearly a decade that peaked with the Champions League in 2005. Scored some huge goals as well especially in Europe
Pique screams table 2 to me, also the defensive record is good in the early 2010s because he had the greatest midfield trio ahead of him who never lost the ball
thank your giving Pique the respect he deserves, bro was so mfkn goated as a lifelong barca supporter
pique over ramos is one of your takes of all time
🤣🤣🤣
All I am gonna day is "if maldini looked like chiellini, would he still get the same recognition by the people?"
Bro the disrespect pique gets is crazy
Nope
Nope
7:45 when you start setting it up like this you know bro is going down 😂
Pique over Cannavaro is MENTAL ILLNESS. Pique is a top CB, but Cannavaro is one of the very best to ever do it. His D'or win brings so much hate and revisionism on him. This is sick.
Pique over Ramos is ALSO MENTAL ILLNESS. REVISIONISM AT IT'S BEST HERE. LOL. HILARIOUS.
Stones over Dias is AGAIN SICKNESS. LMAO.
VVD TABLE 1 IS CERTIFIED MENTAL SICKNESS. GET YOUR HEAD CHECKED BROTHER. ANYONE WHO WATCHES FOOTBALL FOR MORE THAN A DECADE CANNOT SAY SUCH STUFF WITHOUT BEING ILL. WALLAHI THIS IS A DISGRACEFUL LIST, HORROR.
VVD OVER CANNAVARO IS DELUSIONAL I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU JUST SAID THAT. I'M BLEEDING FROM MY EYES.
@@thesouvik7vvd is table 1 , he should swap pique and cannavaro
Honestly, thank you for that pique ranking
VVD being table 1 and Kompany being table 4 is so disrespectful! Kompany was unreal for a decade, captained his team to an era of absolute dominance, bullied defenders like its nothing! There is no way you have a 2 table gap between them I’m sorry
acting like VVD never bullied defenders and was robbed of a balon dor
As a player, VVD is the best CB to ever play in the prem
I am not even denying that VVD is probably the better of the two, but there is no way the difference is that big. Legacy wise Kompany destroys VVD. Ability wise VVD is probably better, but he is not 3 tables above better
Kompany cannot lace van dijk's boots
What did kompany achieve outside of the pl? Name me an iconic performance in europe, VVD went to 3 UCL finals in 5 years lol
Ramos behind Piqué is crazy work
Kompany is wayyy too low bro. Come on that is a horrible take! Absolutely no way he should be below Boateng, or Maqrues, or Sol Campbell or Bonucci. Also Boateng is way too high, should be low end of table 5 max.
Agreed
I’m a Juve fan. Of the iconic Barzagli, Bonucci and Chiellini trio Bonucci was defensively the worst of the three. As soon as Bonucci lost the partnership his weaknesses were quickly exposed however he made up for them with his point perfect longballs. Barzagli is criminally underrated and I think purely for the fact he retired before the other two. Having said that Chiellini was by far the best, the greatest defender I have ever watched play in my lifetime (I started watching football in 2016 before anyone comes at me)
Great take on Marquinnos. I agreed on your rank because of his consistent decline. Lucio- love to see him appreciated!
Ramos had 2 peaks one while playing lb and another as a cb that pique take is the worst take iver heard in a while, diabolical.
Dead ball knowledge. Ramos never played as a lb
38:40 ARE YOU INSAAANE, ur the only one who talks about that no one else and Pique got dribbled past by jordan Henderson don't compare him to Ramos
i don’t necessarily think i’d have pique above Ramos, but I could find numerous clips of Ramos being done by some fairly average LaLiga journeymen - anecdotes of ‘X player dribbled past Y defender therefore Y defender is shit’ don’t stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever when comparing defenders
Glik should be on there somehwre in the 5th tier just from the Monaco campaign as a captain, was a captain at Torino for many years, I know that Monaco team was stacked but he did the same in that euro 2016 QF Poland run when we only conceded 1 goal of the tournament to Shaqiri and one deflected goal to Sanchez. Also hummels def over varane. From Dortmund to Bayern to back to Dortmund he was class for a long time and insane on the ball.
Keepers tier list? Or am i an asshole?
I agree keepers tier list
Casillas numero uno
The most iconic figure of the 3 Spanish defenders is Ramos but the best defender is Puyol, I would go Puyol > Ramos > Pique. That Spain defence in the World Cup was extremely solid and that was led by Puyol. There was a reason why Spain were allowed to score only 8 goals that whole tournament, they practically conceded nothing all tournament.
Maquair, Mustafi, Sokratis table 1)
I don’t have a problem with Pique being at number 1 because I think he’s incredibly underrated and one of the best CB’s of all time without a doubt. But if he’s on there I think Rio should be there aswell
this man really put pique over cannavaro and Ferdinand 🤦
Can pique is better🤣🤣🤣
As he should. Pique is superior to both.
Why we acting as if pique was an average player of some sort? He literally dominated and was one of the key DEFENSIVE players for both barça and his country.
Ferdinand was a terrible player
Barca tax. People think because Barca dominated, it means their defenders were also great. They weren't.
Fair play for giving stones more credit than casuals/haters but when he’s fit he’s as good as anyone on tier 2
I don’t think pique is a tier one centre back his prime was absolutely amazing but he lacked consistency throughout the later back of his career, I personally rate puyol higher because of his consistency. And company by the looks of it is extremely underrated.
It’s kinda weird I would have said the complete opposite that he had crazy longevity and decent consistency until final few years but never had insane insane peak or year
@@justintime7351nah 2009 to 2012 he was insane and arguably the best in the world in his position after that he never got back to that level except probably 2015 and 2019 but the other years he wasn't that great and he had soo many howlers throughout those years
@@walidchouai609414/15 was Pique best season
Jumped to the end of the video only to make sure VVD was at table 1 before watching
Pique tier 1 is absolute fckin insanity. You keep bringing up defensive record but you surely havent forgotten that Barcelona in their primes years had 70% + ball possesion most games. Everytime something went wrong or Barca looked bad Pigue was many times involved. He was one of the weaker links of prima Barca imo. Thats not the worst thing to be because he was still really good in the air and with his feet and thats the best team to have ever excist.
weaker links of barca🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@LyesClips when someone says something with 5 emotes its like so dead instant... i expect more from you tbh obv the weakest link of PRIME barca was the gk but after that im looking towards pique and some others maybe but as i said being the ''weaker'' link of prime Barca doesnt mean you are bad just saying if im naming the best players of prime barca his name has to wait a bit to pop up
@@themo881emots? 😅😅
@therealhb1763 you go in every comment for a typing Error ?
@@themo881 I didn't try to correct you donkey you spelled the word emotes right
I’m a PSG fan and to be fair to Marquinhos he had an excellent 20/21 (the immediate season after O’Monstro left us) and had some clutch goals for us in the Champions League. He’s just unfortunately a player that relies heavily on confidence, intrinsically as a footballer I think he deserves much higher than table 5 but I’d understand arguments for his mentality keeping him that low.
Van dijk is better than ramos 😌
FINALLY some respect on Piques name!! 🙏
Ramos 2016 peak if you watched him week in week out and should be a debate with him and nesta Maldini.. he had a run of like 40 games being unbeaten and he was crucial
Let’s not mention how there was a point in time where if Real Madrid got knocked out of the UCL it was because he wasn’t playing eg. Ajax, man city, even almost juventus that 17/18 season
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Puyol is my favorite defender O.A.T. I'm glad you showed him respect. Hes the defenition of a leader that do everything to win games.
Good list. But yeah, when it comes to football abilities, I would probably pick Van Dijk over both Ramos and Pique.
He did say he had to take career and winning into account. VVD is way higher when it comes to peak and natural ability but he's held back by trophy cabinet and longevity (compared to the players above him)
How an earth are a couple of Spurs flops way ahead of Hyppia and Carra. Carra really been done dirty here. Disgusting ball knowledge.
Van Dijk is not table one. This myth has got to die at some point.
He was 8 points away from the Ballon Dor
Nostalgia is killing you, Van Dijk is easily table one. He is still the best CB in the world today
Pique is so so underrated ... absolutely right
Pique in list 1 is disgusting
Most overrated defender in football history
When pique and puyol was together no one even at puyols age thought pique was better than puyol at any point coming from a Madrid fan
Pique just doesn´t belong to that Table 1. Having him over Ramos, Terry, Cannavaro, Silva, Vidic, Puyol.... That just isn´t right
My list would be something like this:
Table 1: Maldini, Nesta, Cannavaro, Ramos, Terry, Silva
Table 2: Vidic, Puyol, Ferdinand, Van Dijk, Chiellini, Stam
Table 3: Pique, Godin, Kompany, Lucio, Carvalho, Hummels, Pepe, Varane, Bonucci, Campbell
After that the diffedrences are so little and people´s preferences come to play so not bothering with the rest
Ledley king probably the best of the lot. (Yes he got injured but still got man of the match all the time)
Your Pique take is the best take!!! So many barca "fans" disrespect our legend!!