Star Trek V: The Final Frontier - The Worst Star Trek Movie?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 มิ.ย. 2023
- There’s this theory out there that annoys most Trekkies, being that, of the films, only the even-numbered entries are good. This stems mainly from the fact that everyone remembers Star Trek V: The Final Frontier as being the worst movie of the series and ignores that Star Trek: The Motion Picture - while divisive - was a hit, and so was The Search for Spock. However, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier is indeed a bad Star Trek movie, and in this episode of Revisited, we’re going to look at exactly what went wrong with something that was clearly a passion project for its star and director, William Shatner.
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In LA there were test screenings with tickets/seats stemming from open solicitation at malls.(Yes this is a true story). My crew and I all did the same thing whomever was approached; get enough seats for all. This was on the Paramount lot/screening room. I saw ST 5 before it was finished. And if you think the theatrical cut was a mess-well, just be glad you weren't in there that night.
But there's a funny story to tell. One of my friends who'd brought a still of Shatner was about to tear it up; he ended up giving it to me. So, there was Shatner, talking to some Paramount people. (Back then, you waited to be seen) Soon there I was, face-to-face and getting my autograph. As he handed it back he said this: "So, what did you think of the film?"
Two thoughts hit me at the same time: This is Captain Kirk right here, all his work before this was gold; be diplomatic. I said: "I filled out the comment card (you had to do this) and used both sides." He smiled; I split.
Amazing! Pin worthy
Agreed
I enjoyed your recounting of this event. Very entertaining!
@@JoBloOriginals lies
It should be noted that Shatner DIRECTED this film.
Star Trek 5 is not a good film but ironically had some of the best moments with Kirk , Spock and McCoy.
Agreed.
You nailed it. The campfire scenes alone are worth watching the movie for. Their friendship is on full display on this film which is very endearing. Plus, I think the bridge of the Enterprise-A in Star Trek V is the best of all the sets from the OG films.
row row row your boat is iconic
I don't even remember it. I guess I saw it - ? Don't remember anything about it, which actually says it all.
I love the campfire scene and them at Yosemite. I honestly wish that this would have been the story. It could have been about them retiring and there is some small idiotic last quest at the park, which they handle, and in the process it inspires younger Starfleet Officers and pass the torch to the next generation. It would have been great to see the crew finally settling down without the Enterprise anymore and solving problems without the ship. The film was otherwise a mess and totally uninteresting. Why did they pick this title for this story? It does not work. Between Spock suddenly having a televangelist brother, who the audience has never heard of before, and the whole crew not getting on the Enterprise until about 30 minutes into the film was bizarre. Since it was a newly built Enterprise, it seemed odd that they shoved it into the film with this plot. Some scenes seemed beneath Star Trek in general like Scotty's "Three Stooges moment" as he bangs his head or Uhura dancing to seduce the guards. I realize that Nichelle Nichols did not mind it, since she had professionally danced in Las Vegas, but it seems like an odd choice for the character. To sum up, the plot did not take us to the Final Frontier unless they wanted to kill the franchise, which it nearly did.
"What does God need with a starship?" Is such an Iconic line. ILM couldn't do the sfx and the studio kept cutting the budget but that line is so perfect...
The ultimate gotcha! Loved that part.
“ uhhh, I like star ships?”
I came here just to post that line ,but I see there's no need. haha
Worst Star Trek movie? Someone hasn't watched Into Darkness.
😂 brilliant
Perfect answer.
Star Trek V is also better than Nemesis
I was going to say the exact same thing...... I am absolutely baffled by people who claimed that "Into Darkness" was a good film and "a return to the spirit of Trek"
Or star trek beyond retarded
This one has a special place in my heart. It was the first Star Trek movie I ever saw. I love the campfire scenes
I have a real soft spot for this one. I feel like, in a lot of ways, it most captures the spirit of the original show, out of all the Trek movies... warts and all. It's goofy, it's overambitious, it's trying to do too much with too little budget, and it's wildly uneven with both great moments and terrible moments. Just like TOS.
As close to the TV series as possible. Just like Insurrection. Though, this has way more charm than insurrection.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
Agreed. I love it
Say what you like about this movie, (and I often do) the villans being televangelists was an inspired choice. As in real life, they are wolves in sheep's clothing and use people's ignorance, pain, and vunerablity for their own selfish gain. Lawrence Luckinbill was great in the role. Didn't know he was related to the Wachowskis!. The scene in the observation lounge with Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Sybok is suprisingly emotive. McCoy's memory and expressed pain at euthanising his father was very well acted.
Fun fact: the rock monster intended for the finale inspired the rock monster in Galaxy Quest! it really is the best Star Trek movie.
Now leftist groups like Antifa and BLM act like they did especially at that time.
spoiler alert much?
@@strikingmachine2975 kinda hard to spoil decades old films, and if it did, it's on you to keep up.
The thing is, Sybok was no wolf in sheep's clothing, and actually could and did help people in the movie. That's what's so ironic. He even recognized his own pride and vanity in the end, and did what a true hero does: sacrifice his own life.
I actually liked Star Trek V for the most part.
This movie really showed Spock & Dr.McCoy’s Friendship & using outside locations & Jerry Goldsmiths music were excellent choices.
Everyone knows the Special Effects Sucks & using some of STNG Sets didn’t help.
This movie was more enjoyable than STMP.
It is to bad Paramount won’t work with Shatner & rework this movie!!!
It was not just the bad effects that torpedoed this movie. It was the rushed resolution. The "pain" scenes where too rushed. I would also liked to see what Kirk's pain was. He sure has a lot from the Kodos massacre, death of Edith Keeler, and more. A lot of these little things could have made the movie a lot better.
Oh, I like the Edith Keeler idea.
@@StephenCole1916 thanks!
absolutely not the worst STAR TREK movie; every Abrams one put another below it
Good point. Every Star Trek after that lens flared pile of garbage by JarJar was much worse.
"Worst Star Trek Movie?"
It was....
Until "Into Darkness"
"My name is Khan."...Kirk "Who?"
@@whaguitars Audience: "No, you're Sherlock! Khan's from INDIA white boy!"
@@chrisleebowers LOL That was 2009 they wouldn't have gotten away with that casting today. The SJW's would sh@t. Today Kahn would have to be indian, gay and trans.
I still appreciate Trek V for what it is. I never really hated it because the story is pretty good and the moment of Bones facing his inner pain is a real tearjerker 😢 And the remastered UHD release is absolutely GORGEOUS!!! This makes you appreciate this film even more.
For all its problems. I really can't hate Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. No it can't compete with the best film in the Star Trek franchise but I don't think it is awful. It doesn't take itself too seriously, and it is a quite a lot of fun at time. Which I think elevates, itself over some of the later films, like Nemesis and Generations and Insurrection.
Star Trek V definitely elevates it’s self up to Star Trek Insurrection & Beyond!
My sentiments too. It's saved by the strength of the Kirk/Spock/McCoy triangle.
It might have been a better idea to release this in the late fall, the way they did with "Star Trek IV". Summertime is the toughest time to try and earn bank at the box office with all the competition going on.
Actually, STV was supposed to be released around Thanksgiving of '88. But the writer's strike began that spring, so Shatner had to delay filming until the strike ended because he, Nimoy, and Bennett were members of the WGA.
And yes, this movie is BAD, but it does give us one of my favorite lines from the entire franchise. Kirk saying "I've always known that when I die, I'll die alone' gets me every time!! Especially now that both Nimoy and Kelley have passed on.
Kirk's "I need my pain!" scene is my favourite line of dialogue in all of Star Trek. It resonates heavily with me since I lost my parents in 21/22. The pain of their loss, helps me remember how great they were.
The first 45 minutes of Star Trek 5 is actually very interesting. I really liked the idea of the Enterprise-A having lots of mechanical issues and giving Scotty more to do.
I love ST5, it comes the closest to capturing the charactor interactions and feel from the TV show, and if you look at it as a 90 mins TOS episode then you will enjoy it a lot more.
Yes, a good way to think of it.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS MOVIE!!!!
It’s one of the most interesting stories!
It’s relations between characters like Kirk and Spock, Spock and his brother, the aspect of understanding and forgiveness…
One of the top on my list!
P.s. when asked by an interviewer regarding part 6”undiscovered country” “Do you feel like Star Trek 6 is a return to form for Star Trek?”…
To which, Leonard Nimoy responded “ I don’t think we ever left.”
I absolutely agree with you Star Trek 5 is actually a really good story! It gets a lot of crap however there are some great scenes in the movie. Yes it could be a little bit more cohesive however the opening in Yosemite is absolutely fantastic with the Jerry Goldsmith music. As a kid I wanted to rock climb just like Captain Kirk. When I venture out into the wilderness I always think of that song.
Kind of like Season 1 of TNG. It gets a lot of hate, but there are some very interesting ideas in there. The music is also great. Execution is not there elsewhere and that's what brings it down.
Also I think maybe I have nostalgia for it because it was the first Star Trek film I actually got to see by myself
Star Trek V it’s one of my go to comfort movies, something about the cool ideas, and Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelley’s chemistry it’s just so comforting and cozy and it’s very relaxing to watch
Whet cool ideas?
@@3dartistguy A Vulcan who embraced emotions, the search for god, "I need my pain", even the Nimbus III console had potential for a series, I wouldn't be surprised if it inspired some of DS9
Spock "Good night Captain" Kirk "I don't know, I just just know." LMAO
@@bensneb360 The whole concept was just DUMB and poorly executed. Spock never saying he had a brother was just dumb. Compared to Star Trek IV, it was pointless sequel.
That’s how I feel about Star Trek V
There is a good movie trapped inside of Star Trek V that is desperately trying to break out, but it doesn't quite make it. A couple more script revisions and better use of the special effects budget could have made it possible.
Worst only on a production value scale. The ethos, ideals & character interactions in 'V' are pure Trek.
Great video. I can remember being a kid seeing this in the theatre and basically laughing and rolling my eyes at the entire thing. And l then just avoided it for 25 years, favoring the other films. But when my ex wife and l bought a box set of the first 6 Trek films, l eventually decided to give it another go, and was actually shocked at some of the social profundity displayed in the story. It was only later still that l learned about how the studio had strangled the budget and how the digital effects were farmed out last minute. Granted that l am not the world's biggest fan of the Shat, but the older l get and the more l live and see in the world, the more l realize that he actually had a really epic vision for this film, and if you can look beyond the silliness, there are some deep messages here that haven't been fully explored in any other Trek movie. So yeah, l despised Trek V for many years, but now l have some admiration for what Shatner was actually trying to do.
I recently went back on watched all the OG movies and man did we have it good! Final frontier is a little iffy in places and that cgi could do we a remaster yes...but thr characters and the acting holds up even more.. compare it to the last 3 jar jar movies and final frontier has aged pretty darned well imo.
Honestly, I think if they had the balls to stick to William Shatner's original ideas for the film, it would have been much better. Shatner's original vision for the movie was more of a horror film along the lines of "Event Horizon". The Enterprise is taken over by a religious madman, who takes the Enterprise to the center of the galaxy where they find not heaven, but hell. Kirk meets the Devil and must escape from demons (yes, literal demons). It becomes a race against time to get the Enterprise out before it gets consumed. Imagine Kirk having a conversation with the Devil. Kirk defiantly says "I don't want my pain taken away, I need my pain!" The Devil laughs and says "Now, you will see!" To which the tormented souls of the crew members who died under Kirk's command appear and torment him. Imagine seeing a bloodied Peter Preston who died in Star Trek II, and even Kirk's son, David who is tormented. Kirk recoils and then says to the Devil "Stop! It's too much!" I think it could have been very powerful horror stuff.
Gene Roddenberry and the overall atheism of the 80s, a sort of irreligious utopianism that most movies at that time were about and Star Trek's own philosophy prevented that storyline, that you just describedm from ever seeing light of day.
The thing i adore about ST5 is the trio. The Spock, bones, and Kirk relationship is awesome here; three old dogs, friends for decades, with history and a shorthand that works for me. The film as a whole is troubled. But i feel Shatner totally gets the bridge crew, and it makes for a great many good scenes
Enjoy the movie, far better than today's garbage
The reason I didn't like it was because the plot and story are highly inconsistent and not really interesting. Trek is all about exploring, which is nails, but it just doesn't tell the story well. There's a bunch of great quotable lines in it and a several really great scenes, but all together it just doesn't have any cohesion.
Is it a good movie no is it a good trek movie that’s more about characters than action yes it is
I love it and if it wasn’t for the sfx it would be held in much higher regard
I actually like ths movie and appreciated it even more when I learned what Shater was up against.
Weird because I didn’t think it was a bad film at all. I would rather they didn’t have Sybok be Spock’s brother, but nothing else really bothered me.
By comparsion, this one is the weakest of the first six. But it still has a lot going for it. I still like it, for all its flaws. It has ambition and heart. It has great cinematography and an even better Score. It has a great Antihero/Antagonist in the form of Sybok. And it truly feels like a TOS-Tribute/Love Letter through and through.
And I said it a thousand times: The Scene in the Observation Lounge with Sybok, Kirk, Spock and McCoy is *excellent.*
This was the second Star Trek movie I ever saw The first one was part four and let me be honest I don't think this was bad. It made me really wonder what was beyond the galaxy or wherever the heck they were going and I'm not a Star Trek man so I don't know if they ever answered that question before so for me this was fascinating but I think this is an example of fan backlash 30 years prior before it became a thing 40 years prior sorry
"No, I'm from Iowa - I only work in outer space." is a GREAT line perfectly delivered. *LOVE*
Before JJ Abrams repeatedly butchered The franchise I would have said Final Frontier was in the running for worst Trek movie. It's not horrible.
I actually dont hate this film, I think its far better than 1, incerection, and nimis
The Motion Picture, Insurrection and Nemesis were still better than a space hippie cult leader searching for God.
Harve Bennett getting misnamed as 'Harvey Bennett' in the past few videos has been a bit shocking when everything else is fairly accurate. No pay dispute with Shatner, he was reminded by Nimoy that they had a contractual matching agreement, so when they asked him to appear in the next movie, he asked to direct it and they were excited.
After hearing all the Shatner/Takai stories over the years, I've become more convinced that the whole thing was just in George's mind. I don't think Bill ever intended to slight George, or ever realized that he had.
Trek V _is_ better than 'Nu Trek' but that's not saying much 🙈🙉🙊
Nu Trek is complete a$$
Not a chance, the title of Worst Star Trek Movie goes to Into Darkness and/or Beyond, absolute piles of Poo !! 🤣🤣
Uhura doing her dance move on the top of a sand dune was just plain dumb.
I feel this movie is just another one to watch. It’s always good seeing Kirk, Spock and Mcoy together, it’s cool you see them camping having there shore leave. I figure it’s a movie you can put on while you are cooking or cleaning the house. Then you watch Star Trek: 6 just make your day better. I wish they could improve the effects and maybe come out with a new special edition release, but we will have to be patient and see what happens.
It’s funny. One of the only things I recall about this movie is Scotty bonking his head. Classic.
Let's hope there is a Shatner Cut, complete with improved effects and cut scenes restored.
Or do I mean Snyder?
The soundtrack is at least awesome. Also love some of the scenes like Spock pointing a rifle at Sybock.
I can't wait til you review VI
The worst part of the film isn’t the effects as poor as they were, it was how easily the junior members of the bridge crew were turned by Sybok. It was completely out of character.
Sure this film had lots of problems, and you aren't wrong about most of them that you point out in the video, but i've always liked it for the following reasons:
*The pre-title intro scene was a cool callback/homage to the original series. In fact The Final Frontier probably captures the essence of TOS better than any of the other films.
*Shatner's vision and original story ideas (b4 most were cut or changed for budgetary concerns) were pretty great and I would LOVE to see a special director's edition ala Robert Wise's STTMP. Like you said, Paramount won't spend the $$ for it. FFS, give Shatner the $$ if for no other reason than to say "Thank You" for 6 decades of giving Paramount a franchise that to this day pretty much allows them to print their own cash.
*Some of the finest acting of the series, the movies, and even entire careers of many cast members is here, most memorably the performance by Dee Kelley during Sybok's reveal of McCoy's pain. Acting of this caliber just is not possible w/o the talents of a quality director. Thanks again, Mr. Shatner.
*Shatner and Takei being grown-up and professional enough to put their BS aside and work together with the grace and respect they both deserve. Today's mainstream Hollywood could learn a thing or two from these 2 talented veterans. Talking to YOU, Will Smith. Ditch that Bitch, bro, and all will be forgiven.
*The theme of the film: That our life experiences, including our pain and suffering make us who we are, and we'd be a 2 dimensional shell w/o them. OR All sunshine makes a desert, or so the Arabs say. This is a total Semitic theme, but not always obvious to those of no and/or other faiths. Once more, Thanks Mr. Shatner!
*ANY film scored by Jerry Goldsmith is worth seeing solely for his involvement.
*David Warner. 'Nuff said.
*The lead singer for Midnight Oil playing Sybok's main henchman. (LOL, no that's not really the guy from Midnight Oil. It's the guy from The Hills Have Eyes. HAAHAAHAA! Ok it's not that guy either...but he was a pretty good henchman anyway.
Being a trecky for the past 50 years. its just another adventure for jim and the crew. i love it :)
I remember being excited about seeing 5 after loving 4. But then moment by moment, just more awful piled on top of more awful. I don't think I've ever been so horrified at how bad a movie was ever.
Nah, generations, easily. Final frontier isn't good let's make that clear, but it's better than generations hand down... Easy
Just rewatched generations for the first time in years. It actually holds up OK. If data was not as annoying, it would have been better. This however, has not held up well. Poorly edited, bad script and the effects were a bit shonky.
I always think that Insurrection is the worst one, but then I watch it and it's actually bizarrely interesting. Just needs a bit of a re-edit to hammer the emotional punches. (They cut away when Geordi sees the sunrise, instead of showing us a quick glimpse of him shedding a tear before cutting away with that emotional beat intact)
@@DrLove-ql1wh fair enough, I just always viewed generations as what has become the trend of today, all time based events or multiverse stories that just exist because they can. But I'll say this, the exchange between both captains is a fun moment initially.
@@BrendanHenry
You have a point there, insurrection takes some big shots, tries to be different, and maybe there's a different workprint that could re assemble some of it for a better flow. Bad film but it did take some bold steps, I respect it for that.
@@fitnessabcvideo it's an interesting approach, it revisits some elements from a couple of TNG episodes, it pushes the "crew is getting old" vibe of Wrath of Khan in a different direction, it puts all of our favorite characters into difficult positions.
Riker shaving his beard was a mistake, so that would require a cgi beard for every shot. Not that crazy these days, easier than removing it!
But yeah a work print could be needed. Or, in the case of that shot of Geordi, cutting back to the wide of him standing on the hill as the sun rises and the music rises with his emotion, that could do the trick.
The crazy thing is that it introduces the son'a, and explains that they were cast out around the era of The Motion Picture. So they've been messing around with subspace weapons before they were banned at Khitomer, and they've been slowly stretching their faces out for that whole time.
Untapped potential? Probably not. But maybe. 🖖🏻
It wasn't a great movie but it had its moments. I would say it was the most personal of the TOS movies, in that, the inner fears and regrets of Spock and McCoy are revealed. In that sense, I did feel a little more connected to the characters in a way the other movies didn't afford.
I just remember this film for the Romulan lady and her very brief appearance. Young me thought she was beautiful.
For as much hate as this film gets, I really enjoyed it and I still enjoy it today. Even as a little kid I knew the Special Effects were absolutely abysmal. The only fantastic effects in the whole film were at the beginning, but that's because they were reused from Star Trek IV.
The best part of Star Trek V was LT Ohura's dance.Awesome pair of leg's!!!
I usually agree with Chris on many movies, but I guess that streak has to have a few disagreements. This is definitely one of them. I love all of the the Holy Trinity scenes in this movie, and - in my humble opinion - the scene in which we see McCoy's and Spock's traumas is one of the best scenes in all of Star Trek media.
I'll rewatch this movie over ST 3 and ST 1 in a heartbeat.
"Do you have the JoBlo review of Star Trek V on VHS?"
"Sorry. I just sold my last copy."
I love the campfire scene.
I was less fond of this feature than I am now. It's grown on me.
Let's face the fact that TOS was not know for its original effects, but we understood "suspension of disbelief" back then, so we saw what what clearly intended if not displayed on the screen. TOS was about story, implied subtext, and the relationship of the three primary characters.
This film, however maligned, delivers what the original series intended: a mirror to the subtext of our souls. To say nothing of the secrets and personally perceived shame that we keep hidden from the world. Is it camp at times? (Pun unintended.) Yes. Are some of the jokes painful? Undoubtedly. I still hate the sight of the nearly unlimited levels of the turbolift. But I also dislike a lot of the jokes and dialogue of the much highly-praised Star Trek 6 as much: The Vulcan proverb "Only Nixon could go to China"? Shakespeare in his "original Klingon"?
Is Star Trek V a masterpiece? No, it's not. But I don't believe it deserves its reputation as a horrible film, either.
The actor who played Sybok was a remarkable actor. Jerry Goldsmith’s soundtrack was one of the greatest things he’s ever recorded. The scene where Sybok forces McCoy and Spock to confront their pain was powerful. When I saw it opening day in 1989, the audience laughed uproariously at all of the jokes. Sure, the special effects were bad, Shatner’s directing was a little clumsy, and the ending was anti-climactic but to this day I still enjoy watching it.
Star Trek V is no where near being the worse movie in the franchise... not when the JJ-Trek films exist
Despite its issues I have a lot of affection for Trek 5 and find it a fun easy watch. Yes, the script needed more work and the fx range from barely okay to absolutely awful but its lovely seeing the bond between Kirk Spock and McCoy given centre stage and all three actors are fab as always. Shatner's direction is pacy and energetic (the action sequences are pretty good) and Goldsmith delivers another top notch score. Is it a great movie? Nope. But definitely not my least favourite of Trek movies.
Worst Star Trek? Insurrection and Into Darkness wave hello.
It wasn't great, but it's an underrated masterpiece compared with Generations or Into Darkness
What I like about this film is that it captures a sense of family between the original cast.. especially after what the crew went through from the last 3 films. There should have been more money spent in creating more sense of an epic. The subject of encounting ' god like ' creatures isn't nothing new to star Trek as the original series encountered many of these lifeforms. What would have been superb if the cast encountered an ancient alien lifeform that may have harvested humanity and cultivated them like ancient engineers... ancient engineers Vs the federation sounds kinda cool
Quite like ST5 for all its multiple problems. Just as well they didn't sing camptown fair as McCoy suggested at the fireside....
Good episode! Did you decide against the AI JoBlo Clone experiment? Natural is better...
For me star trek the motion picture is the worst orig. Cast movie.this movie is also better than a couple of the next gen movie's in my opinion.
It was most definitely NOT the worst Star Trek movie. A few more rounds in the editing room would have helped. There are multiple TH-camrs doing amazing jobs enhancing the special effects, which were second rate in the theatrical release compared other Star Trek films. The real problem with the film was the decision to piggy back off Star Trek IV's light heartedness and veer too much as a comedy. The movie had some great moments. A Director's cut can rectify many issues.
Some proof that the new writers on SNW don't always watch or remember the old movies. Shatner's Kirk is from Iowa, not from Space, like Paul Wesley's Kirk says in the trailer. Unless the studio wanted to create some controversy and buzz with this line as a publicity stunt? A hint perhaps that Paul Wesley's Kirk will be much different than how Shatner played him. (Chris Pine is much closer to Shatner's Kirk so far).
I hope they pull an Enterprise at the end of all of Nu Trek and have Harry Kim and Tom Paris step out of the holodeck during some mid-season 5 episode of Voyager and say "computer, end program."
@@TALCOLMINTHEMIDDLE Oh please "Make it So" 🤣🤣
From what I read about this Star Trek film,was that originally,William Shatner had a different story.The story he pitched or wrote was that the Enterprise went into HELL or a HELL like dimension and it was going into more religious overtones.
It's a better Trek film than any of the Abrams abominations
Good job guys
I have given this deep thought and I'd say Sybok is my favorite star trek character. Humane, gentle and open minded.
Other people may hate this movie but I don't. Star Trek V is not my least favorite of the Star Trek movies. If other people hate it, that's fine, but I did enjoy it.
I've said it before, but I'll have the same conversation here.... ST5 had the structure of being a GREAT movie - but it was all the behind-the-scenes and production problems what castrated it. Billy Shatners' script ain't so bad, but a writer he is not. Had the script gone through a few more re-writes; we'd have had the second coming of Khan (hypothetically speaking).
The idea of a Vulcan Madman/Shaman on a quest to find God is absolutely delicious. Because the Vulcans have become so logically minded; by there logic - there can be no God. However, with Sybok on his quest could dismantle everything the Vulcans' stand for. This should have been the main focus of the movie.
Delete all mentions of the Klingons. They are absolutely superfluous and serve NO purpose whatsoever.
With Sybok's ability to "take away someones' pain" could be used to Great effect and could even be used to sway Spock, since Spock felt traumatized by the way he was treated in his younger years. But Kirk.... oh my, Kirk vehemently refuses to go through with this. That scene in the Forward Observation deck? Could have become the greatest scene in all of classic Trek. Kirk would explain: "Pain? You know nothing of pain. I *NEED* my pain." And this would be where we have a bit of a throwback to all those red-shirts that Kirk basically killed over the years. Have him acknowledge the fact that yes, he basically ordered those men to death and on many occasions, had to face their family in the aftermath. Yes, those men knew what they were getting into when they signed about Starfleet, but Kirk was the man who still ordered them. "Without my pain..... what do I become??? If it weren't for this uniform - I'd be locked up as a serial killer! No! I need my pain. It keeps me.... human. I must carry the memory of every man I've ordered to death.... I can't forget them - as they have made me.... the man I am today."
It could have been THE most character driven Star Trek movie EVER. Expanding on the back story of every cast member: Uhura, Chekov, Sulu, maybe even Nurse Chapel and maybe even give Yeoman Rand a bit of screen time. Maybe even have her pain be about how for years she was in love with Captain Kirk (a plot line dropped very early in Season 1).
The ending of the movie would've been roughly the same, Sybok coming to the conclusion that he was wrong, and put everybody's life in danger, thus sacrificing himself to save them all. The final bit of the movie would show Kirk, Spock & McCoy camping together; while at the same time the other crew members would re-unite with their families realizing they'd been away far too long.
Sure, it would've been a bit of a slow-burner; but ST4 was action-packed. #5 could've been a slow-burn, character movie and then back to #6 with a bunch of action.
Isn’t some of that footage from trek yards play along ? You can hear cap foley !
Nah, it was fine and had some good elements. Honestly, I’d rather watch this then IV.
Yay. Been waiting for this one!
No mention of the trio going past the same level number twice on Spock's jet boots?
I dunno...is it the worst of the original movies? Sure. Is it as bad as JoBlo makes it out to be? Heck no. I mean, if you're not a big fan of the original series then I can see poo-poo'ing horribly on it, but come on! The interaction between everyone from the original crew was always just fantastic, I never felt the effects were "utterly abysmal"; sure, the God-head was pretty dumb and all. Maybe this film just holds a weird place in my heart from nostalgia too.
Is it a Star Trek movie I will ever sit down and watch again? No, but I have also probably watched it 20 times since it came out as a kid...and of course Khan/Search for Spock is the best double header movie in sci-fi, but The Undiscovered Country is where it's at! Can't wait for that review!
3 is the best of the lot. It has a jailbreak, a heist, a road trip, and a battle. The stakes are immediately through the roof and to top it all off you have Christopher Lloyd chewing the scenery as the second best Klingon of all time. The myth of the odd numbered Treks is BUSTED!
I agree he is the second best klingon. Christopher Plummer is of course the best.
At the time I was stunned at how good it wasn't, but in retrospect it's the only original-cast film that's actually shaped like a Star Trek episode.
(As a side note: adjusted for inflation, the first film is the highest grossing Star Trek labeled film other than Into Darkness, although this is obscured because they stopped reporting box office takes after 3 weeks in those days.)
I liked this movie. It's effects could be updated.
For a movie people seem to hate, they sure quote a lot of lines from it a lot!
Leonard Nimoy was not in the helm of Star Trek six. I think he has something to do with the story, but saying he was at the helm implies that he was one of the directors.
Nimoy was the "Rick Berman" of Star Trek VI as the primary producer of the film along with coming up with the story and rehiring Nicholas Meyer to direct and flesh out the script.
Well, I loved it
Surprisingly, I never have seen ST 5. My hometown theater was only $1.50 for years. While we didn't get movies until months after their release, we used to go see almost every film that came out back then. I think I just lost interest after 4.
3:12 I knew he was gonna be like “I don’t have a brother, but I have a half brother”
I like this movie. I can forgive the effects because the story is good. No major villain? We have an alien god like entity. I like the humour. Like all good Star Trek it’s a morality tale. Religion is a very personal thing and is only destructive when people use it has an excuse to be horrible to each other. It does ask some very big questions. Maybe that makes people feel uncomfortable. Especially when it is mixed with humour, but that’s the very reason why I like it.
Every series eventually has a dud. The fact that it took 5 movies is impressive. Why a science fiction movie needed to tackle religion is beyond me. And we never did find out if the guy was God or not, did we? He just did all these supernatural things and then just ended up being a frustrated old man. Then they sat around a campfire and sang. Isn’t that exactly what you wanted to see from this franchise? Terrible. At least the emotion chip in Generations made sense and expanded on Data’s character, and had a kind of moral lesson at the end about dealing with your emotions as a human being. It’s very early 90s, but at least the CG isn’t horribly distracting.
Officially it’s just an evil alien maroon on the planet however in novels that came after it, it’s an evil Q
Of all the trek movies it’s the closest to tv show the campfire scenes show that this is where Kirk’s at he’s lost his own son but these people are his family
Does the film have its problems yes, a release date was locked in and this occurred during a writers strike and it’s hampered by poor sfx and forced to add in humor by the studio, shatters movie memories are a fantastic read and even his commentary on the dvd are very insightful into the making of protest at least it tried and is certainly no Batman and Robin
But it’s heart is in the right place and even taki who doesn’t like shatner said he was very good to work with
Er it's obviously not god that is clear when I watched film when I was only 13! Think you need to rewatch and actually pay attention...kirk works it out with his famous what does God need with a star ship? Spock even says later to his brother it's not God or any God.
Pretty sure Transformers and Fast have yet to have their duds😅
Lawrence was also once the son-in-law of the Queen mother of Star Trek herself Lucille Ball nice touch
It is a great film and the concepts it takes on are very deep and philosophical. The, "I need my pain", speech is not only powerful, I have heard countless people quote it in variations ever since the film came out. And who doesn't love the line, "What does god need with a starship?" There are far more quotable lines than those in this film.
The worst film of the series, though not a bad film at all, but something has to come in last, is Star Trek 3. It's not its own movie. It is part 2 of a three part series and is totally dependent on what came before it and then after it. It can not stand on its own. However, again, it's still a great film with it's own great quotes too. "I... have.... had.... enough..... of...... you!" (Though in 2021 they will reunite for a really fun movie called Senior Moment").
One thing at the end: Ghostbusters II did very well at the box office, was a huge hit, and is actually a very good movie. People crap on it just to crap it. 7th highest grossest domestic film in 1989. What's wrong with that?
TTF had heart, but too much silly humour, sloppy fx and I disliked how they made the new Enterprise a lemon. I’ll still take it over any Trek film made after TUC.
Say what you will about this movie, but I love the campfire scene.
I love the Syboc character! My second favorite Trek film actually.
KIRK'S PAIN
was losing the
USS ENTERPRISE
Actually just watch after years been been watching all the old movies I actually enjoyed it very much the Spock Kirk and McCoy relationship in the movie was awesome the friendship and bond
"Is there anything good about the film?" "Well, its short" -- classic
It seemed to follow the even trend for the first 8-9 movies, 9 did outscore 10 but it may be because it was the 1st TNG movie and had Kirk cross over with Picard.