EV vs Diesel - John O'Groats to Lands End - Part 1 (J'OG to Kendal)
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- Welcome to an EPIC Top Gear style challenge between @GeoffBuysCars and @TheMacMaster...! What's CHEAPEST and FASTEST to drive between the most Northerly and Southerly tips of the United Kingdom?
We're driving a 2008 BMW 320D and a 2021 Porsche Taycan between John O'Groats and Lands End, over two days.
Part 1 - John O'Groats to Kendal
Part 2 - Kendal to Lands End
John O’Groats to Lands End, Diesel vs EV
2008 BMW 320D vs 2021 Porsche Tacan EV
Watch the full video series!
The Pre-Trip Chat
• EV vs Diesel - John O'...
Part 1 - John O’Groats to Kendal
• EV vs Diesel - John O'...
Part 2 - Kendal to Lands End
• EV vs Diesel - John O'...
Part 3 - The Numbers and Post Trip Chat
• EV vs Diesel - John O'...
Outtakes 1 - The B Roll
• EV vs Diesel - John O'...
Outtakes 2 - The Country is BROKEN
• EV vs Diesel - John O'...
Outtakes 3 - Pulled Over Already
• EV vs Diesel - John O'...
Outtakes 4 - The Problem with EV Repairs
• EV vs Diesel - John O'...
#Tesla #RoadTrip #EV #JohnOGroats #LandsEnd #TopGearChallenge #TopGear #GrandTour #GrandTourSpecial
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Oh, please do subscribe to myself and The Macmaster, link in the description. Part 2 drops Tuesday 8pm, with a summary Wednesday 8pm. Place your bets in the comments... What was the total cost for each car for the entire trip? All that is revealed in the debrief in Wednesdays video.
Oh, regarding the comedy / boring bit about the bmw history and spec at the end, I wasn’t sure whether to edit it out, BUT… it was all filmed while waiting for Lee, and that’s kinda the point isn’t it?! So it stayed in 😂
That 320d will probably be good for another 100,000 miles Geoff. BMW make a great two litre diesel engine.
@@larryjimbobthat’s why it’s staying :)
@@GeoffBuysCars I was driving an E46 320d and watched it tick over to 250,000. It was running fine when I parted with it.....still miss it.
done ;-)
Been waiting for this jeoff the road works the nightime closures in this country thses days is dreadfully takes me on average about 90 seconds longer to turn right just to turn right at end of my road compared to when I first moved in 22 years ago
I really really really hope they both include depreciation in their costs because that EV is costing £92 per day in depreciation. £184 in depreciation for two days. That figure alone knocks the EV argument bang on the head. No way does Geoff put that much money in the tank.
God alone knows how I ever came across the Geoff Buys Cars channel, but it's the best thing I've done all year!!! 15mins in and its already epic!
Phew!! Never posted anything so long 😂😂 wasn’t sure
@@GeoffBuysCars This is a brilliant video ... excellent piece of work.
I can 'hear' Clarkson watching and saying "How did one man with one camera manage to do all that - and it's only part 1" ? Haha
I know I only came across Geoff Buys Cars after looking for videos about Luton Car park video, So glad I did. Its been fun watching and listening to these two pals.
@@noelward8047And every producer, editor, camera person, technician, researcher, commissioning editor, runner, production assistant, media executive, plus all the job titles known only to the BBC, and every other ‘celebrity’ presenter of every legacy lamestream media mind£û|
Cldnt live with it , my e bike broke my stump on my amputated leg ,that’s a one in a million injury they said ,hhm,
This video is why TH-cam was invented!
Awesome plan, editing, and video Geoff!
Pheweee thanks so much. I rushed the edit a bit :-)
Your personality, and your videos, are very real, and it would be odd if your videos were too slick!
Great television. This is what we miss about the real top gear real people having real fun and adventures and learning stuff along the way. Great video boys.
Amazon ... The Grand Tour.
So the 320D could do this entire journey with just a single 10 minute stop mid way and continue driving doing the entire trip without a stopover. Impossible for the EV to compare to that.
If you think this is bad, wait for tomorrows video 😂😂
You also save years of your life working buying a $3,000 car instead of a $120,000 one.
@@spikespiegel2246 Pounds not dollars
Welcome to you’re future ,🎉blewwwwwww w w 😂
@@anthonyfoley5576
Pounds, Dollars, Euros or Pesos, take your pick.
The point is the difference in cost is huge.
Epic part 1, cant wait for part 2. who needs Clarkeson, May and Hammond when you've got the cool duo..............Geoff & the Macmaster . 😎🚗🚗
So Lee has to wait hours before charging his car, I would say that the only way to have an easy life owning an electric car is if no one else owns an electric car.
I would only consider one as a second car, and only for journeys within range so I charged at home. Other than that the ICE would be the main car. EV still are really aimed at local/city driving and this video is already showing the issues. The cost of that fast charge too! And we were all told how cheap EVs are to run.
Or get a Tesla
@@noggintubeI’ll just mention a guy in Perth Australia just completed his third lap around Australia on Highway 1. That’s 14,500 kms.
His last lap was even longer because he went round Tasmania as well…. 🤔🤔
@@zwieseler It's clear they can be used, as with this 'challenge'. Doesn't mean it was an easy task or any better than ICE though, as shown here.
Lee was always going to wait hours to charge up. After all he is not going to say I pulled in charged up before I had time to finish my coffee. which has happened to me on many occasions
Is this a test of diesel vs ev or a bladder test of a 40 vs 60 year old ?
Agreed if you need to pee all the time what is. The point
If lee wants to lend me his Taycan and if it was possible for me as a 20 year old to insure, I'd gladly do a 3 day road trip to prove Diesel is still cheaper and better for long trips than EVs @@gingernutpreacher
Not everyone gets prostrate problems with age, it depends on lifestyle. Anyway, the problem is with EVs and the infrastructure or lack of.
Or is it just EV culture that drives people to drink more coffee and thus need to pee more often, which then perpetuates the cycle because while you have a toilet break, you may as well plug in and have another coffee? 😲😳😁🤔😁
Nothing to do with coffee then?
32:00 The Tesco train moves food in those containers that gets to Scotland quicker than lorries and takes 40 lorries off the road for every trip it makes. Imagine being in that jam behind an extra 40 lorries.
Ah so that’s why all Tesco stores are right next to a train station ,so the Tesco artics only have to travel a couple of hundred yards good old every little helps
@@Royboy50My Tesco supermarket is practically on the other side of the road to the towns train station. You come out of the station and first thing you'll see is the Tesco petrol station.
@@Royboy50 If only that were the case eh. We had a very connected network and the government f.kd us all over for profit and back handers!
I wonder what the trains run on? Fresh air? Magic fairy dust? Greta's bullshit?
No, no, and no. It's diesel. Exactly the same stuff that trucks use.
The time spent worrying about charging is totally insane.
And who needs more stress in this day and age?
Road closed due to flooding… BMW… (thinks Rufford Ford 🤔)
I’m married to a Scot, and when visiting her folks up north it only takes one minor foul up (accident, flood, road works) to cause chaos for hours. I’ve seen diversions of over 60 miles with parts of the A9 shut - what happens if you are low on charge in an EV. My unwritten rule when north of the border, is to treat 1/2 full on the fuel gauge as “fill up next opportunity”. What does that do to an EVs range?
Can’t wait for part two…
I looked forwards to this for AGES , I knew it was going to happen long before you announced it, simply because it had to 😮
i was more excited for this race than i am for a new Bond movie 🎥 🙃
You two are deffo the Clarkeson , May and Hammond replacements......Love you both...!!
Not in the penetrative sense, hopefully?
They really aren't. The smug knob with the Porsche is less interesting than my neighbour's cat's shites.
@@davidgavin7280I’d rather watch your neighbours cats shites than any of the top gear combinations since the true 3..!
Smug? He's from Mansfield, ffs 😂
I've been eagerly waiting for this video but one thing I didn't expect for the video to highlight is just how bad the infrastructure is in some parts of the UK.
It's not just in Scotland but in many parts right across the whole UK.
Here in the rural English countryside where I live there's no local trains and few bus services so owning and using a car, EV or petrol or diesel or hybrid is the only option. Their is however an added disadvantage to owning an EV out here and that is that there's virtually zero public charge points for EVs.
They may look pretty but they are just impractical for many people.
This is something people living in places like London with a good public transport system need to remember when they criticise other people who don't live in London for using their cars.
The Taycan BATTERY is £40,000. That means the Taycan without it is worth £3485 ! ?
You can buy a lot of petrol or diesel with £40.000.
@@hawkboy451 I could be wrong, but wasn't the cell cost $5600? And that was single unit cost, not buying in bulk rate.
I'd buy one for that and shove a v8 in it! 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂 that's the wheels 😂😂😂
@hawkboy451 OMG... putting that into perspective is shocking⚡... (no pun...🤣)
You two are brilliant.I hope you win the challenge mate.If only to see what the "Fully Charred Show"(Thats not a spelling mistake either) have to say about it.Fair do's to Lee if he gets to Lands End 1st.This is really entertaining stuff.
"Fully Charred Show" 😆
They'll probably bang on about "If it wasn't for the roadworks....." and "If the charging points weren't all full.....".
But in a real world test the diesel just plodded on regardless. That's why cars like the 320d were made afterall, to eat up the miles.
Hahahahahaha
Fantastic road trip. Have to say when I lost the back end overtaking a little bit of poo came out. 😂
Been there. Done that. Always feels worse that it was ... nice to see a video of the twitch.
The 'Milkfloat' straightened up quicker than a blink of the eye.
😂🤣😂🤣
Big Boy Nappy May Be Needed 😊
I recently drove from NW Lancashire to Hungary and back (via tunnel, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Austria) in my D5 XC70 auto. Not a particularly economical car, but got from Cologne in Germany back to NW Lancs on one tank of fuel, and I was doing 100-120mph through the Germany part of the trip, so hardly watching the fuel economy.
I was just thinking how impossible such a trip would be in an EV. I actually looked up what the range is on a Tesla Model 3 Long Range when driven at 200kph/120mph on the autobahn, luckily someone had done that exact video, and the range was 96 miles 🤦♂ I can't even imagine how awful that would be on such a long trip.
Also, I have now confirmed, we have some of the worst quality roads in the entire developed road in the UK, along with the thinnest motorway lanes and lowest speed limits and worst roadworks.
Really important numbers. 96 miles range only in a Tesla fitted with a long range pack, if you’re booting it down a German autobahn.
Obviously the diesel consumption climbs substantially when you’re tooling along at 100-120 mph. But the best range is so huge that, even if you halved the mpg, it would still be practical.
96 miles! OMG 😂
Geoff was the first to arrive, and as you can see he's done it properly...
Sitting stressing every minute about range and charger availability, would kill my stress levels. No way could I handle a purely electric car. Hybrid possibly, but ideally a non-electric car. A journey like this would have a blood vessel exploding.
Interesting to learn the costs EV vs Fuel
That’s the video that will go viral.
Geoff, you're getting rather professional at this vlogger stuff.
Kinda Ewan McGregor long way round epic.
Excellent vid.
Keep up the good work.
What a compliment!! I’m sat here thinking people will moan that im on 88,000 subscribers and still using the same iPhone XR
@@GeoffBuysCars The camera doesn't matter ... the quality of the photons and voice that are captured is what matters.
@@noelward8047TRUTH
Top Gear is back !
Brilliant video, worth it to hear the MacMaster dropping F bombs 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Epic trip so far. Choosing between the A9 and the A82 is always a game of roulette. The A9 is faster when it's clear, but it often isn't clear. The A82 takes about the same time as the A9 does when it's slow, but it's a much prettier drive. So basically if the A9 is clear you'll be on time, if it's blocked you'll be late and miserable, and with the A82 you'll be just as late but probably a lot happier.
I first drove that road at the age of 18 in a 2 litre Mk 3 Cortina, back in the summer of '85.
Loved Scotland ever since😊
Only the MacMaster would have the balls to read a road closed flood sign and think ‘That’s the route for me and my electric Porsche’! 😂 We’ve only got to see one side of part 1 so far and I’m already loving this. Great job, both!
Just got off work. Perfect timing Geoff! Couldn't imagine how long it took to edit!
The people in charge of roads today just do not care about road users. I drove a BMW 320D very similar to the one you are using for years and I averaged 68mpg (almost 950 miles on a single 61L tank). It produced way less emissions than an EV and it had the additional advantage that I decided where I wanted to go rather than having to pander to it. Imagine the problems we will have when thousands of EV's get stuck in long jams and start running out of power.
Proper car programme, mates having fun
And this is why I didn’t race ahead :)
@Geoff Buys Cars That was absolutely brilliant. I started off watching at 11:15pm, planning to watch just part of the video tonight and was so hooked I watched all of it 😁👍🏼. Epic trip 😊 You could hear Lee getting more and more stressed as the miles clocked up. You had to feel for him really, but it’s was still hilarious.
Really reminded me of the old Top Gear where Jezza would clear off and leave Captain Slow behind 😂
Can’t wait for Part 2 tomorrow night.
Glad you enjoyed it!!
Great video. I own an EV with a Chademo connector. Charge points for these are even harder to find. I stopped at a service station in Cambridge the other day to find 1 CHADEMO vs 9 CCS Charge points. I had 35 miles left on the car, so if this one was broken I think I would of had to call the RAC to save me if I had to drive in search of another. So stressful to the point of going back to a fuel car and cutting my losses. Sorry for the rant. I’m off to watch part 2!
Too stressful that Porsche 😂
Manufactured traffic jams. All part of the plan.
Watching the back of Lee's milk float, he'll want a set of discs & pads by the time he gets to the bottom. I'm led to believe that most of the braking can be done using regeneration on battery powered cars. Perhaps Porsche's regen is like BMW's indicators, don't work😂
Or regen operates the brake lights automatically as is does in several EVs.
@@bordersw1239you are correct
yes I was unsure if my brake lights were operating when I regen and thankfully they do because I was afraid someone would go into back of me
That's why that effin tosla overtook me and brake checked me last week! People should know their cars.
Just get a petrol car and you won't have to worry about getting stuck behind an EV worrying about their range doing 60MPH.Just overtake them.Set your cruise to 77mph.If you get bored now and again open it up to about 120mph.Yes I know the speed limit is 70mph but I live in the real world.
Slipped up at that roundabout Geoff... A9 to Stirling then Carlisle instead of M90 Forth Bridge... 320d perfect for this mission.
Now I see how the future works.
Electric vehicle are perfect when you want to go nowhere on a warm sunny day.
We live in Staffs. Our EV will do a round trip to Dorset (280 miles) on a single charge for a cost of 2p per mile (
@@SW-by9ob wrong. Geoff pretty much proved he could buy and run 5 second BMWs for the same cost as the depreciation of your electric car.
@@pmkeith When has it not been the case that you can buy an old high mileage car and get cheaper motoring? It proves nothing but the obvious and has nothing to do with what fuels the car.
I could buy 20 old diesel 3 series for the cost of 1 new one. So what?
The police vehicles caught fire because they left them on tickover for hours on end, allowing the dpf to soot up. Then they'd be off el rapido on pursuit. The dpf would run the risk of all the diesel soot catching fire and spreading.. That's the only way it can happen.. I bought an ex police 330d and did my OCD research. In normal driving the dpf will go regen and you wouldn't leave it on tickover and then give it some welly...
I had a feeling the point of the shutting off was to stop the pollution in built-up areas with cars idling @ lights, etc., but not being a mechanic, I'm wondering if you wouldn't make quite a bit restarting? But don't understand lack of temp gauge, I think we had a car a while back without one - I don't understand that - I miss the rev counter & oil gauge!
Yes this has been covered by another You Tuber
I own a 335D 3 litre with the N57 engine, which is an absolute beast, impressive torque, 0-60 and also mpg. I also serve in the largest police force in the country and we mostly use BMW 520i GPF pursuit cars, or BMW X5's. Recently these have started to be replaced with Volvo V90's for pursuit cars and Volvo XC90's for firearms as a result of BMW withdrawing from the authorities market.
@@thefiestaguy8831 a shame no more BMW's
@@SmallWondaNo, stop start isnt all that much of an issue.
Temp gauge is removed because many modern-ish car varies their temperature, and many dont understand that and panic. Even the cars that do have it lie to you and makes the center 40 degrees C because of this...
After a Scottish Holiday up in the highlands in 2021, I refuelled our VW Tiguan 2.0 Turbo Diesel in Dornoch, the journey back to Cambridgeshire wasn’t the most direct with a diversion to Hull to visit a relative, and a reroute through Lincolnshire to avoid problems on the A1, we stuck with it and the fuel light finally came on just short of Royston, so after approximately 600 miles. No range anxiety was suffered on the journey!!
As always Geoff a great video, keep up the great work.
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😮dont put ideas in his head?? Must admit this is good stuff. But these guys are likeable aren't they. Must admit they got me addicted to th channel. 😊
There is one thing that is glaringly obvious in this episode, the UK is beyond broken.
Great adventure and loving the utter ridiculousness of EV's. I would have a heart attack with the range anxiety
Loved it❤. Funny hearing lee swearing😂😂
Doesn't the UK have some lovely driving roads..
Only when they don't close them for roadworks 😅
Ha! Wait 'till you get to Devon.
Yes great fun in my diesel, petrol and EV....
BTW... We aren't all ignorant EV haters in the UK
I have seen 'convenient' road works that just cause bother for cars, like the tesco train flying past, more and more making the freedom of the car more difficult and kids not even wanting that freedom like i did when i was in my teens
Yea - and for the kids, they don't realise what they're missing - that sense of freedom and independence - that's why cars have evolved to be central to so many lives - without it - where will that send us? Back 100-yrs, maybe??
I'm wearing a red plaid shirt today too, lol.
EV's are just a silly phase.
It has always shocked me, that they put men on the moon 55 years ago and they can communicate with the voyager probe outside of our solar system. Yet they can't get phone / radio signal on the A9. 🤣🤣
Exactly
It's terrific to see two mates having fun like that. We watch you both. 🇦🇺
Well. I'm commenting on this BEFORE watching any of this Geoff. We have been looking forward to this and I hope this is a new TV series in the making mate
I would LOVE to make a living making content like this.
That EV needs a 'Wide Load' sign on it.
Imagine everything being moved with them aswell , not possible rethink needed but we know they dnt give a m
,,.,,,so why should we ,
Can't believe that jam is still there. We went to Highlands for holiday in summer and we had the exact same thing when we were coming home. Didn't know anything about it going up there because we took steady scenic routes but thought on way back we would just go the main route to be quicker and we was stuck just like you
Intended to watch half then go do some work. Ended up binging the whole video and work never got started. Very entertaining in some weird way. Great presentation, well done Geoff.🇳🇿
I’m loving these comments :)
Chris Harris has a video on the 320D on his youtube channel (pre top gear), he described it as "all the car you could ever need"
And it is. So I’ve got all the car you could ever need with all the spec you could ever need. Hence it’s staying. :)
@@GeoffBuysCars Enjoy, I'm jealous. Been priced off the road myself :(
Who?
Epic challenge, can't wait to see the result. OBTW, It's 800 miles from my house to El Paso all on I10 and I never leave Texas.
Not that I want to boast, but I can go from Mount Gambier to Border Village -- a distance of 1048 miles -- and not leave my state of South Australia. Mind you, there's a lot of nothing in-between. It's not a journey you'd want to do in an EV.😀
@Lookup2Wakeup Not in an EV, you don't. Now, if you had a *nuclear* propelled vehicle (NV), I might believe you...😉
I’m loving this challenge keep it up! Subscribed! The temperature gauge thing, I get how you want a temperature gauge but for a while now in most vehicles the ecu controls the gauge anyway, it’s not directly connected to the sensor. So as long as the temperature is between roughly 80-110 degrees the gauge will stay at 90 or in the centre but when it goes above the set limit the gauge just goes straight to hot. So most modern temp gauges are no better than an idiot light anyway.
Great comment. Didn’t know that. I love this e90 but it’s very new by my standards!
With my 32 year old starlet the thempature gauge is directly connected to a themp sensor. The radiator fan is turned on by a themp switch. They will both go bad around the same time. In warm weather The temp will be in the middle but actually your engine is running too hot because the sensors are bad and wll display a lower thempature tham it actually is. So you will still be fooled.
I did wonder why the temperature gauge in our Evoque sits exactly on 90C once warmed up and never moves a degree even if the motor is being worked harder eg after a multi mile climb.
Do i remember wrong, dosen't e90 actually have a temp gauge. It should be on the outside of the revcounter. a couple of dots before the red. or was it just on e60?
Even before everything went through ECU's many cars since the at least the 70s had a small "ZRC" network in the dash circuitry that would cause the temp gauge to not move very much over an "acceptable" temp range from the sensor. One of the mods I did to my Bongos was to remove a zener diode in the dash so that the needle *would* move with *actual* temperature so that I could see when it was overheating before it going to be a real problem. (Those things had problems with airlocks if you didnt bleed them the "right" way.)
This test in the depths of winter with lights and heated seats, screen, and heater on would be interesting.
Wasn’t this it? I had my lights, wipers, heated seat, phone charger and stereo running the entire trip
@@GeoffBuysCars true but if outside temp is ten degrees lower, that's a whole different ball game.
I'm a petrol head so the EV sounds like a stress to go all those miles and stopping so much to charge
Went from sheerness in Kent, to Manchester in a poxy Fiat 500EV, swapped it for a Renault Zoe EV and took it back to Sheerness. Left Sheerness at 9am, got back at around 1am. Three times stopping to charge on the way up, twice on the way back. I did hit a 2 odd hour delay on the A50, so take a couple of hours off. It was an absolute headache and a nightmare, wouldnt do that again.
I wonder if there's a name for drivers who queue up in the correct lane while queue-jumpers sail past to the front?
Ever heard of "merge in turn"? It's the most sensible efficient system.@@frankraw9991
@@frankraw9991there are a few names for them.
I’m impressed that you’ve produced what is effectively a feature length film by yourself. No script writers, cameraman, actors, director, and everything else. Cost to produce a film.. millions. Cost to produce your road trip…hundreds?? All credit to you and so much more watchable than anything produced by Hollywood. Well, except topgun 1 and 2.
Great video Geoff...it's just a shame you didn't share a room at the services for that full 'Planes, Trains & Automobiles' moment....."THOSE AREN'T PILLOWS"!!! 😳
😂👍🏻
I was expecting to see a 10 second clip of that scene to pop up🤣🤣🤣
@@FrankTimms-cs5hl
Fingers crossed it's on Macmasters edit! 🤣👍🏻
@MotorHeartAT Enjoy! 👍🏻😎
Geoff's really working hard at resisting going into Smug Mode.
@Lookup2Wakeup they make a good team
Dont forget that at the end, you take the hours spent recharging the EV and divide that by the cost of fuel for the ICE so you know how much per hour you "saved" to sit there and wait. Comes out to about $4 an hour, that's what you get for the inconvenience.
I once got 900 miles from one tank of diesel in an Audi A6 avant 1.9 TDI 130
My 13 year old audi A3 diesel gets 650 miles on 55 litres diesel. I once did Hereford to Heathrow terminal TWICE with passenger plus luggage drop-off on one tank
So did Jeremy Clarkson way back in the early 2000's
My car wasn’t brand new and my fuel wasn’t paid for by the BBC so I hold a trump card over Jezza.
You did it with 2 1/2hrs of my shift to go 👏👏👏👏👏👏
😂👍👍 enjoy!
Just reached the point of you discussing Lee floating down the river in his 'Tay canoe'. Will need to watch the rest of the comedy of errors tomorrow.😂
The longer i'm watching... i'm loving my dirty diesel insignia estate and my 1987 defender more n more!! No EV in my plans!🙄
Don’t forget to watch Mac masters video from the other car if you want that full EV stress experience.
I drive those roads in my volvo xc70 about twice each year. Love the a9 through the caingorms national park!
Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond, move over! You have been upstaged. Take your scripts & do one! This has been absolutely brilliant. I cant wait for tomorrow night. Only issue I think I will have is doing a comparison between yours & Lee. I think you need to do an epic, footage from both cars syncing the times. 10/10, do TH-cam do Oscars??? You both deserve one.
Wow what a comment!! I am touched. Thank you.
@@GeoffBuysCars truly well deserved Buddy. Outstanding Work.
I was taught as an engineer that it is better to have a big engine working easily rather than a small one working hard for maintenance cost reductions. I was also taught thst most engine wear occurs at starting of engine, even if it is at operating temp. There is also a finite number of starts a starter motor can attempt before it breaks. Most starter motors are limited to about 30,000 starts under warranty.
The auto shut off systems are to meet ecko requirements of mainly the dictatorial EU. They are not good for the owner of the vehicles due to massively increased maintenance costs!
I fully agree. Was good for this trip tho.
Just a push of a button to turn off the start-stop automatic in the Fabia.
It cuts in way too early while the engine is still cold with oil temperature below 50°C.
I always find especially in many of the turbocharged cars with stop start you should technically not us it as realistically you should allow the turbo cool especially when it's done a long journey.
I loved this, I know it didn’t go to plan in your eyes. But to me it’s showing real world problems that you may face, it highlights the problems with EVs and the problems with UK highways.
You'd have been better going a bit further South and stopping at The Westmoreland Hotel at Tebay services. Still a motorway service hotel, but set back away from the services and it's quite a decent hotel.
Lessons have been learnt 😂😂
Maybe there is a hybrid engine upgrade kit for a Taycan ? A flat-six twin-turbo may well fit in the boot ?
Interested to hear your comments regarding the lack of a temperature gauge in that BMW. I had the same thing in a Jaguar XF Sportbrake I used to own, and always thought it weird. I had always assumed that it would give some sort of warning should the engine temperature get to high, but would still much prefer to see how much it was over the standard temperature. It is also handy to be able to see the progress as the engine temperature increases from cold.
Exactly. I find it odd not having one. It’s such a simple readout but important, and we have had them for years! Why lose it?!
@@GeoffBuysCarsBecause they are no longer true gauges. Years ago, Customers complained when they “moved”. So manufacturers made them flat response - variable when cold, but flat response for all range of temperatures that were normal. And then move up to hot if truly overheated. Customers still complained. It’s effectively digital now - so replaced with a led warning light.
@@GeoffBuysCars
Got one in my '16 E220 CDI Merc and I keep an eye on it every trip.
Old school me though.
Great 1st video, can't wait for tomorrows👍👍
Well my 21years old fiesta have temp gauge, and I would still outperform 120k electric porsche on this trip😂
@@WeeShoeyDugless me too, check the gauge regularly
You're 100% right on the different road point. Driving a motorway for 5 hours is very different to driving a variety of them, especially with different views. Changing radio stations also helps.
EV cars are plumeting in value, it would make me feel sick if i thought my car had depreciated as much as that taycan in 2 years! Cool video though and i think the government will struggle to force us all into an EV by 2035
The bmw in the vid is worth less than 10% of what it originally cost depreciation affects every car. You will have 0 choice to buy anything other than an ev the ban it’s across the whole of the eu and car makers won’t produce cars they can’t sell. , Diesel engines are already being killed off even bmw have ditched it for most of there ranges. And hybrids only get good mpg for around 100miles whilst they have battery available then it’s shocking when the engine is charging as well as moving the car.
@@Gmh6477 of course all cars loose value, but if he traded that taycan into we buy any car he would of lost over £75,000 in 2 years.... for comparison I bought a 3y old 2016 bmw 340i for under 20k, had it 4y and traded it in this year for 18.5k, I lost only £1500, BUT the car also needed an mot, £650 full service and 3 new tyres. The uncertainty on EV cars is the reason for the huge loss in value currently and I don't think its the future
They are already starting to reverse the propaganda
There is no requirement to have everyone in an EV by 2035, there never was anything about that for 2030 either. You can and always could continue to drive ICE for as long as you like (or can afford it or can find fuel).
Not only that, but the manufacturers are losing billions on them. Saw a video recently about GM & Ford issues in the US, and Ford are losing around $35,000 on every single vehicle! Chinese EV makers are losing $37k.
The A9 down towards Inverness, epic. Driven much of the route many, many times from Oxford to Thurso (and back), 652 miles each way. Won't say what my record time was in one hit in an E46 M3!
Honestly you really entertained me tonight! I was feeling sorry for myself working late but put your video on while i worked and it really made me chuckle! You guys are brilliant. 😂❤
So glad people are saying things like this for such a long video! Part 2 is shorter but kinda harder hittinf
Honestly could have watched double the length! Looking forward to watching the Cornish leg of the journey and if I hadn't been working on Saturday I'd have waved a welcome Geoff and Lee to Cornwall flag from the side of the A30 as you went past! 😂
I'm up working too and still watching lol
Love watching people like you fall apart just because there's a different type of car about now 😂
Entertainment all the way with this vlog it’s been thoroughly interesting, great upload and editing here. Fantastic that you beat the MM hands down in his expensive EV. Look forward to watching ptII.
Great video Geoff. Can't wait for parts 2 & 3. The holdups on the A9 are ongoing and have been for a while now. Whoever organises them coulddn't organise a pi$$ up in a brewery.
Great video Geoff. As for the Taycan rear end kick out at 8.20 ... unless Lee's changed tyres since his first service video 9 mths ago, it could be a result of his rear tyre miss match, as fitted and documented by Leeds Porsche. The N/S Rear 305/30 was deemed half worn (at 4.3mm) and oddly replaced with a narrower 265/35 but the original spec O/S Rear 305/30 (at 7mm), was left on ... mixed rear wheel traction !!
How could a tyre shop even allow such a mismatch between rear tyres? 305/30 paired with 265/35 is just daft.
My old mk4 mondeo 2.0 TDCi once did 810 miles before the fuel light came on. It would have done 870 miles if i had run it dry. I was in Norway and the 80kph speed limit may have helped 😂. Sold it 8 years ago, I put 180k miles on it. Saw it a few weeks ago, still going.
I've had 50mpg+ from 2 litre petrols before. Sometimes weight in the boot helps on long runs, it trims the car's rear end to reduce Cd as well as momentum and altered tracking from the weighted suspension.
I also once got 42mpg from a Holden Commodore 3.6, and 32mpg from a 4.2 litre Chevy Trailblazer. I'm not a hypermiler!
Most entertaining. You blokes are really good mates.
Worth the wait for the comedy towards the end.
Wasn’t sure whether to edit it out, BUT… it was all filmed while waiting for Lee, and that’s kinda the point isn’t it?! So it stayed in 😂
My beautiful 2006 E90 SE had no temperature guage or dipstick and it used to smell hot all the time. Constant source of worry until a tractor took it out in a dark country lane in winter at rush hour and that was that. Shame, lovely italian hide interior.... i got more for it as a write off than I'd paid 5 years earlier so it did me well and i hope its resting in peace - with its newly refurbished iDrive.
I've turned off the stop start on my 2011 A3 TDi Quattro, i had to put a new battery in it last week and it was £265! But its MUCH nicer than the E90, its very nice being back in a gazelle again ❤
Thanks for the video, been looking forward to this!! Only Fans 😂😂😂
Was the dipstick driving the car ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Couldn't think of anything better on a cold rainy day than to watch Geoff and Lee driving in the cold and rain!
Cheers chaps you brightened my day!!💪💪👍👍
Lee needs a tow hitch and a trailer with a fully-charged spare battery in it.
Nah, that adds weight and increases friction, so doesn’t improve range that much
Geoff car should win 100% and by 2 hours at least
The biggest issue was not just the roadworks but as Lee found out surrounding roads were flooded meaning everybody has to go to the main road with the problem of roadworks as no alternative.
I started following Lee when he was doing a few road trips. Great video.
I used to put my heater fan up to high speed and the engine wouldn't switch off.
the depreciation on the Taycan is colossal. I might buy one as a daily once they're mid £30s with Porsche Warranty. (I don't pay for charging it). I once ran an Alpina D3 from 110k miles to 150k miles as a long distance commuting car and it was possibly the best decision I made. Bought it for £3k, sold it for £3k. Great car.
Been looking forward to this. Team Diesel 🕺
Lee loves his brakes
This is epic, Jeff !. I think we all know who the winner will be. Would be interesting to know what the trip costs in fuel / electricity as a comparison. £47 to charge that Porsche for only 210 miles range !!, hells bells !!!.
If you could have found a decent Peugeot 406 2.0 Hdi estate that would have been superb. I did taxi driving in two of them for 500,000 miles in total and once hypermiled to see how far I could get on a tankfull and got 970 miles.Just brilliant! Really comfortable too.
French car though.... build quality is appalling.
@MotorHeartAT Possibly. That's because train tickets are a rip off and always have been. In most cases you can fly somewhere from less than the cost of a train... it's usually always cheaper to fly to say Edinburgh/Glasgow from near London with easyJet than it is to get any sort of train, even the day before the trip...
Iam only about 15 minutes in to it, but all ready i can see the title that Lee will use !! The MacMasters Epic road trip, The full unedited version, Complete with Fish & Chips, & recharging the milk float, Strap yourselfs in for 6/7 hours of pure entertainment, Sorry Lee couldnt resist the P take, oh sorry you dont use bush,s ! 🤣😂🤣
Just 11 mins in so far, past the Lee 'skidmark' incident, all I can say is what was the point of those little overtakes and blasts of intense acceleration in the Porsche, they are going to be very energy sapping, smooth and steady surely is the way if the EV is to have any hope of at least coming in cheaper?🤔😳
Continuing to watch.....
The rest was thoroughly engaging and worth the wait.👍😁
Which raises the question: Is the Taycan a totally flawed concept?
@@CosmicSeeker69 In terms of economy and practicality, yes!
But then I guess a typical porsche owner doesn't regard either of those points as important.🤔😁
For the purposes of this test, if the Taycan is showing 217 miles of range, that figure is based on current smooth driving style, if Lee keeps flooring it to overtake slower vehicles, that figure will be greatly reduced.
@@Peterbrendanalbert They could do it better in a 6 pot turbo boxer engine though⚠️😁👍
@@pdtech4524True, that's a real porsche.
I was brought up in Keith! 😂 You were about 50 miles away from there though, ironically if you’d went through Keith to Aberdeen - Dundee - Perth you would have missed all the roadworks 🚗
You should invest in GPS trackers if you do it again, and we could see on a map where you both are at any given time! Great content even without that.
The road from jog to Inverness along the coast is fantastic. Shame it was raining
Never thought I would be rooting for a BMW......but it does look quite nice the manual gearbox really does it for me... Cheers from USSA