Now that Bungie and Activision have split, do you think we’ll keep getting content like the forges and the reckoning? Or do you think things will improve? Also, bonus question, would you prefer having 2 DLC drops per year, like “CoO and Warmind? For 5 bucks extra we got WAY more content, I’d like to hear your thoughts. Also… I completely forgot to talk about the “Izanagis Burden” quest, because I genuinely forgot that it even existed!
It looks like they are turning things around but I don't know if I can play on. Crucible is soul crushing and I can't be spending tons of hours like before because I got school starting in a month
I started Redrix when Season of Opulence dropped and I just got it yesterday...Trust me when I say this: unless Solstice blows my socks off and they start actually fixing their fucking game I am not getting close to buying Shadowkeep. I know making games can be a challenge but this shit is getting out of hand
They'll definitely improve. Unlike most other studios. Bungie does actually listen. Biggest example is Season of Opulence. The annual pass imo is way better than the expansions we got last year.
Or crucible maps, Or trials like they promised would (take a break) And the fact that over 50% of the exotics in this annual pass were d1 weapons. Oh yeah and 90% of the weapons from menagerie were reskins (drang Mida mini tool, eyasluna etc.) And holy fuck every single quest in this game has been the same boring monotonous content, can we get any variety ffs? It’s always go generate orbs of light, /get 200 headshots/kills/lost sectors/strikes. Like holy fucking shit bungie seriously has a HUGE issues with reusing old content and being super fucking boring with quest design, I could literally design better quests... Like honestly it’s either me getting bored of this franchise or getting very annoyed with it. Annoyed at the fact that it took 3 or so years for bungie to make destiny 2 destiny 1 year 3 again lol... this game really needs to fucking innovate because we’ve been doing the same Shit since the taken king. Bungie needs to take notes some from better developers like CD project red and such. Idk what the fuck has been going on with this franchise
YoBoyAdrian but strikes literally mean nothing... they are fun the first time but then you gather a list of strikes which are just painful to play and hope you don’t run into them when in the playlist, they have literally no loot and the only reason to do them is for powerfuls/ pinnacle weapons. Compared to the forge that has a mich better structured loot system that will stay relevant to an extent until a completely reworked weapon system comes out. People complained about the casualness of y1 and bungie gave us a grind.
I have a friend with a big forehead More strikes equals more Nightfall specific loot to chase. Plus it’s basically been a whole year without new strikes and I REALLY want some more strike variety when I’m forced to play them lol
YoBoyAdrian and of the 5 random roll nightfall weapons: horrors least you only get for curse breaker, mindbenders ambition is obtainable from the worst strike design in the game, militias birthright is only used to get mtop and the long good bye is just another sniper nothing really unique about it.
I personally thought my money was well spent and I got more out of it in the annual pass than most other games I've bought. I'm going to respond to each section as you go over them: Black armoury: I personally really liked the forges and unlike what you said they do have enough differences in mechanics (for me at least) to keep each interesting. I agree about the quests though, those suck balls. Also yes we need to be able to launch them from the director, although me playing on PC the load times arent as much of a problem and it doesn't take nearly as long to get into the game. The raid I also agree with you on, was pretty sick. Also you say the last word quest does not count as extra content then you complain about it taking you too long to do. I thought it was a huge step up from the Thunderlord quest and exactly what an exotic quest should be like (my opinion). Season of the Drifter: Opposite opinion to you, I actually really enjoyed the way Reckoning worked and looked. But I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE anything to do with gambit. I want to bash my head into the wall any time I hear the word gambit. I hate how I'm forced to play Gambit Prime if I want to grind out armour in the Reckoning, and I hate how the armour is FOR gambit. Also wish the drop rate on weapons were better for reckoning. Also I agree the thorn quest wasnt as good as the last word quest but I still really enjoyed it. Again, its how I want all exotic quests to be like. Plus the Xur bounties also kinda sucked but the lore afterwards was sick af for a lore nerd like me. Overall this season had some pretty sick lore. Season of Opulence: I agree, Menagary is sick and I hope we get more like it in the future especially with the feedback on the chest farm under their belt. I have already expressed how I feel about exotic quests and nothing changes with the Truth and Lumina. Kinda surprised you didnt talk about the tribute hall, which is really sick and awesome but fine whatever, I guess not mentioning something sick af helps your point that this is a scam but whatever. Conclusion: You said you arent including things free to all, things that were free to all that you listed as part of the paid experience in forsaken included the crucible maps and bows (as the vow bow was free to all). As well as when shadowkeep launches the dreaming city, tangled shore and all of gambit will be free to all as well, and really free as in part of the free to play game. Now for the crucible, lets just say....... I'm pissed off. Shadowkeep is supposed to bring a bunch of new pvp changes and stuff, but honestly even if they are amazing changes I'm still going to be pissed that as a pvp main, I paid money for the side of the game that I play only when I dont want to play pvp. Mind you with the way supers currently work as well as the eon it took them to fix lord of wolves me not wanting to play pvp is something that happens more often than not in year 2. Enough for me to honestly say, I enjoyed year 1 pvp better, no actually, vanilla d2 pvp more. I like the gunplay, I don't like instant win buttons like supers and lord of wolves. Pvp for me is running away from one super only to get sandwiched by two more supers, then being killed off spawn by either a super or heavy. I hear the problem is worse on PC and I might want to go on xbox to test that. But OH MY GOD like jesus, pvp sucks right now. With strikes you lightly touched on, I also agree 100%. MY Conclusion: The annual pass was pretty good, maybe a bit too much but I don't regret buying it. I'm very happy we will be able to buy each season separate from now on instead of all up front because I would have never bought season of the drifter regardless of the thorn quest (the only reason I would buy it) It will also force Bungie not to make any more "season of the drifters" because I'm sure they would like it if people actually bought their stuff. (most my friends would have passed on it too) Black armoury and Season of Opulence were well worth the money for me though, personally because I liked the forges more than you obviously did, and you could choose what weapon you could grind for (something you again didn't mention, doesnt work well for your point). And everything pve related in SoO is amazing. Raid-wise Scourge ranks up there with my fav raids (VoG, Kings Fall and Last Wish) and CoS ranks in the middle. I think a $25 price tag would have been better but since I've at least got a lot out of the lore of SotD I'm alright with the extra $10 PERSONALLY. The annual pass isnt a ripoff but just overpriced, and I think bungie knows this and that makes me happy going forward. I hope you get around to reading this
Tons of hours of content only because of a repetitive nature, wouldn't you say? It's clear to see that the value of the annual pass compared to forsaken was vastly different, but it was still similarly priced. If not a scam, then at the very least, over priced.
@@Whitelight I disagree. The amount of legendary armor and weapons, plus exotics, is comparable. This video doesn't do anything to account for the reward structure of destiny and the way the sandbox changed thanks to new perks, mods, and activities
Whitelight look at ROI, it has the same price as the annual pass and less content, maybe more rewards but less content, and don’t say the content wasn’t repetitive, because it was
Season of Opulence was definitely my favorite. We got the Menagerie, a new raid, and new guns (which are excellent) still it is quite underwhelming when you think about it.
Nah. Annual pass is a lot better than the season pass. Small drops of content throughout the year are a lot better than a huge dump every 4 months. Also, the raids this time around were infinitely better than the year 1 raids.
The purpose of the annual pass was mainly to introduce new items for people who already enjoy the basic content to grind for, while also adding a few new modes. You seem to think that the only meaningful content is new campaign missions, new raids, or activities with imaginative new mechanics, and while all of those things are great, new loot is also content even if you have to play the basic game modes to get it. Therefore, I disagree with your assessment that asking people to play the base game content that they already have, such as strikes, is somehow ridiculous.
@@LotusReal I agree that new activities and raids and stuff like that is the most important and significant new content. I just disagree with his almost writing off of anything that's tied to simpler things or base game activities.
The point was to have content made for dedicated players, which is exactly what people like me enjoy. I think it was well worth the price and I play the content on a daily basis, to this day.
i don't even have a console or a gaming pc, i don't even care about the subject, i just like watching your videos because of the presentation, nice work, keep doing it
Watched the whole video, and I have some qualms. The presentation was fine for the most part, but I'm not convinced, and I'd like to share why. 1) You volley between two points that clash. "Time spent playing does not validate money spent on the game." That versus this. "Time is worth so much more than money, since money can be earned back." These two points contradict. If time is more valuable than money, and the annual pass offers (through admitted repetition) hundreds of hours of time spent playing, why would one feel like it wasn't worth it? Hopefully you understand my confusion with using these two sentiments together. 2) You state several times that the annual pass caused us to replay content that "wasn't fun the first time". This makes you sound like someone that doesn't enjoy Destiny at all, and is flaming the annual pass from the perspective of a non-player or non-fan. Why would you like the additions if you didn't like the base? That whole attitude weakens your point. Ultimately I agree with the lack of depth in the forge activity and with all of Season of the Drifter, but I felt my money was well spent before this video and I still feel that way after. I don't mean to attack you or your video, just to discuss. If you end up reading this, thank you for your time.
Those first 2 statements aren't mutually exclusive. Time spent doesn't validate money spent if you didn't enjoy how you spent that time and since time is more valuable than money he feels cheated out that time as well as his money. Given how repetitive the content is and how god damn long loading screens are I can't say I blame him for feeling that way.
Dez Xanatos On your first point, time spent playing with content from the annual pass wasn’t worth it because the experience gained from doing so felt like that. There’s no point in spending money on content that would make one feel “like working at a job”, just as our man felt. as for you, you might have felt that playing, for example, the gameplay loop of gambit prime and reckoning fun, and that in its own right would be a worthwhile experience. But when it comes down to it, there is a likely majority of people that dislike gameplay like reckoning, forge, and maybe even menagerie. therefore, these pieces of content would be a waste of time and a waste of money, since one cannot obtain a proper experience.
If this was like D1 and after a year of nothing, we got everything in the Annual Pass all at once at $35, I think this narrative would be different. I would rather have this than waiting a whole year for what's next. It seems many have forgotten what that was like. ~$10 a Season was well worth it. The intentionality of the Ada bounties evolved into the Chalice. The Forges evolved into the Menagerie. We've been seeing an upward trend. It's hard to say if that'll continue in Shadowkeep, the first piece of content without any Activision studios' fingers on the development and publishing, but we will see. Ultimately, I don't agree with many of your points but I understand them. It's been more "Destiny". After years of it, things are surely going to feel more monotonous than you remember them being in D1. The fact is, it's not entirely different. The "charm" of Destiny is simply diluting over time.
I bought Destiny 1 around the time it came out. Had a great time in the beginning. Sometimes, I played it all day. It was still a bit underwhelming, with the maps being pretty linear & empty. But going for max-level was fun, the shooting felt good. Then the expansions came out. I didn't buy them. The game soon became a worthless downgrade from what I had before. No strikes/raids, whatever the fuck they're called. Less difficulty options to choose from. You couldn't obtain the platinum trophy anymore. That was my first Bungie experience. I hate that company now. Fuck 'em.
I'm just watching this now , and I completely agree. I actually didn't buy the annual pass but when it became free I was ready to go play reckoning for a god roll spare rations, I got the thing to unlock t2 reckoning, and I got a rapid hit rampage spare rations in Gambit prime before I even got t2 reckoning, I'm never touching that mode, it offers nothing of value to me and that's really sad :(
lol how that vex deflected your grenade made me spill my whiskey.. I just got back to D2 a little over a month ago from about a 8 months hiatus and had only pay 15€ for the annual pass and I think that is a fair price for it.. I would not have paid 30€ for it and thats why I had the time off from D2 but I have had a lot of fun since I came back and are glad I did so.. little edit: great video.. liked..
On the exotic quests: Yes, the content was reused. Not going to defend that. But they weren't all bad if you were doing them as they came out because they changed how everyone was playing the game. This was most noticeable in PvP. For Lumina, everyone suddenly running Rose was a great shakeup to the norm. Letting your teammates die for the medals for Thorn and watching everyone try to bait everyone else was good fun. Invaders dancing to let the other team get their medals was amusing. It doesn't justify the entirety of the quests, but the entire community working on the same thing at once and interacting with one another differently was a fun experience that made me enjoy parts of the grind.
I pre-ordered Forsaken and the annual pass 2 months before release. I've only beaten "The Last Wish" once, and quit after achieving that. I've probably *AT MOST* 15 hours of D2 since last November. This is coming from a guy that has logged 800(I know, "rookie numbers".) hours in d1, and 452 in d2. Shadowkeep(?) is the first dlc I haven't bought. It'll probably be decent, but I think I'm done with Destiny. It's not because of the lackluster story, or the amount of grinding. It's because of how fucking slow everything is. Menus are slow AF to load in. Logging on is Fucking slow. "Fast Travel" is FUCKING SLOW. Not to mention the amount of times you have to go to the Tower for a quest, then have to go to another PLANET to talk to some guy then come back. FUCK THAT SHIT. Tbf I've been spoiled with how some recent games are getting better at load screens etc. The point still stands though. I remember when Bungie first announced D2 and said everything was faster. *Texted all this while loading into the Tower*
Honestly I had the same problems as you for soo long but then I switched to an asf in my ps4 and the load times were way faster and they were as fast as my pc when I compared well pc was a tiny bit faster but you get the point.
So here’s the thing...compared to literally ANY other “season pass” this is insane value. Even if you hate season of the drifter and throw all the content out the window there, the exotic additions alone are more than what most other game’s passes offer. So I have to completely disagree with you, but that’s ok. :) Opinions are opinions, we can all think different things. :)
The exotics additions?? What fucking exotic additions, 70% of exotics after black armory are d1 exotics, they are content I’ve already paid for before. 50% of the exotics in destiny 2 right now are d1 exotics. I didn’t pay for fucking old content. When I empty my wallet so much like I have been on this franchise I don’t know about you but I really expect new content. I don’t wanna keep using old stuff and doing old things. I’ve spend over 300$ on this franchise and I still feel like I’m still playing destiny 1, this game is not innovating enough because its entire fan base are honestly dick suckers. Nothing bungie ever put out since the taken king has been innovative. I’m not going to keep paying for this. I seriously don’t get how so many people are blind to this fact, at least some people out there see it. Other live service games like SWB2 and Fallout76 release NEW meaningful content for FREE, destiny is selling old content for a high prices and people keep buying them. I personally don’t understand the logic at all
Yeah, fallout 76s season pass was free and they’ve already improved the game drastically, added a BR and are adding NPCs in September, guess what that costed? 0$ So I wouldn’t really say the annual pass in destiny is “insane” value compared to other season passes..
So I grind out the exotic quests but I only do it on one character ... After that on the other characters I let them happen organically... Im just now finishing the Last Word quest
Sometimes i miss playing destiny then i'm not bothered then i miss it again. i wonder if it's worth buying in September on steam even tho i'm so far behind?
Rewards matter. Forsaken brought 4 unique sets of loot. Tangled Shore, Dreaming City, Last Wish, Gambit. The Annual Pass brought more unique sets of loot. Forges, scourge, reckoning, Menagerie, crown of Sorrows. These are not always as large as the Forsaken drops, but brought new perks and mods to the sandbox. Forsaken brought in 8 new exotic weapons, Annual Pass brought 7 new exotic weapons. Though, the annual pass was shorter on new exotic armor, I'll admit that much. Forsaken had like 12 new pieces, Annual pass had 6 as a mix of old and new. Raids and their loot are the best part of destiny. Both parts of the pass with raids had unique loot. Shattered throne was an interesting proof of concept, but failed to deliver exclusive loot like Scourge and Crown do. Annual pass and Eververse revenue likely bolstered the investment in live events. These two things are not isolated. The best year for live events was the year the community paid more. The number of gameplay modes, weapons, armor, exotic quests, new mods, new weapon and armor perks suggest the pass succeeded in delivering value
I got back into Destiny after Forsaken dropped. Made it back in time for Season of the Drifter and when Season of Opulence dropped I was done. As a solo player Season of Opulence had nothing to do but Managerie. I will not be returning to Destiny anymore regardless of how good Shadowkeep is. We all know we'll have to keep replaying old content just to get some new stuff and I absolutely cannot fucking stand Y1 content. Y1 of D2 was such a trash heap in terms of content and now almost 3 years later we're still playing majority shitty Y1 content...Bungie is so lazy and/or wastes time in stupid exotic quests and then demands cash for us to keep playing old shitty content while making the new content die shortly after it releases. My time back to Destiny was short, the Annual Pass was trash, I feel like the people who told me the game was in a good place were just fanboys who play the game regardless, and I can't play D2 anymore. 90% of the game is trash, so I can't be bothered to play the other 10% just to be forced to play the other 90% over and over and over and over and over.
Honestly I had to leave Destiny 2 for 7 months before coming back to try season of Opulence. The annual pass content was lazy, uninspired and boring, the haunted forest was the same. Horde Mode with a ball and one round Gambit was and is half assed at best. The only thing I enjoyed was Scourge of the past Raid Lair (Yes that's what is is.) Crown of Sorrows was terrible considering it is literally one mechanic spanned over 4 encounters. The ONLY good thing to come from it was Menagerie pre nerf now it's a ghost town.
I think the issue with activities like forge and reckoning is that they cant make them too mechanical or complex because a lot of players dont aspire to be better or make fireteams, solo queuing limits what they can do. Menagerie works fine becauae theres enough players to carry the laggers. Otherwise the forums fill up people saying theyre solo players and things are unobtainable. Like if you had a gun that was like 4 man a raid or 2 man shattered throne for the last step that would be amazing but no one would do it. I dont know how to make things difficult. No matter what happens, wether its more adds, underlevelled or more mechanics, i constantly hear people just saying "artificial difficulty". Hopefully the riff on menagerie.
Ok so I get that the mangery is more fun but don't say that it's the only thing in destiny history you can choose your loot because in black armory if I want a kindle orchard I can go to ada 1 and pick up a hand cannon frame
It wasn’t a waste though, 95% of the destiny community took the annual pass positively, the guy reviewing here is a hardcore critic, he talks shit about every game cause it’s his job, the annual pass was made for hardcore players, if that isn’t you that’s not our problem.
Honestly I think the annual pass was worth it for the 2 raids and Menagerie alone. Black armory was enjoyable, and Reckoning was awful. But overall the $35 over the last year was more then worth it for me.
I gotta say, I'm...surprised at how many people I'm seeing in the comments were satisfied with their purchase. I agreed with most of the stuff in the video, most of the stuff that was paid for really...really wasn't worth it. The season pass was shifty because I would have gladly paid a reduced price to only have Season of Opulence, which I thought was...good, decent, not stellar by a long shot. Black Armory was trash, had zero interest in it and thought the forge quests was really mind bendingly boring & unimaginative. Season of the Drifter was a snoozer as well but I think the Bungie split was being announced around this time so morale was on the upswing even though there was really...NO content in my opinion. Reckoning wasn't worth my friends time either. I think maybe what some of the people in the comments are thinking is that they still enjoyed their -time- in the past year. Like, if you look at the list of stuff we got for the money, it's trash dude. An objective analysis of the price-per-content makes it look like a terrible investment. But on the flip side, if was necessary to stay in the community to have access to all the newest developments in the community like loot grinding & stuff, & while I hated the ever living sh** out of the Thorn and Last Word quests, once they were done, yeah...I did flex on my friends a little bit & it was a little cool. I hold the opinion that fine, whatever, I had a few good moments during the span of time I paid for the Annual Pass. Like, cool thanks. I reserve the right to hold the belief that it STILL wasn't worth it, & I can still play while complaining all i want & I won't filter anything just because I have to appreciate what Bungie is doing during this period of transition, which is the only other thing i can think of as another point of reference for the cost. It is clear that Bungie's new a-la-carte DLC system could only be tabled after Activision took off. tl;dr I can understand the blowback & the Bungie defenders & it's mostly fine but I personally agree that, if it wasn't for the fact that there was all the Activision stuff being drained lately, this Annual Pass was objectively not worth it. Very glad that we'll be able to pick and choose our own DLCs once the migration to Steam is fully complete.
Ok I gotta agree, I’m sick and tired of horde modes. Usually when content drops it’s like “a new pinnacle mode where you got to blah blah location and defeat enemies so you can defeat a boss blah blah” i want something new
Great arguments, I really like how you bring up game mechanics can be done better, and instead of leaving it at that, you suggest ways that it could be improved. Ages ahead of other reviewers that just criticise and have nothing to help the problem. Keep it up Renn, love your videos.
A good case my dude!!! After I got the anual pass I quit the game, because I got nothing more than I already had from the forsaken expansion. And the annual pass costed more than the game, I got the game for 11 dollars!!!
@rabid that's how I did, yeah. I saw him in a crucible match before the video came out and wasn't sure if it was him or someone who took his name on Xbox if he played on PC or something
Honestly, I think Bungie catering to the community and their whims is the main thing holding Destiny back. People complained gun quests were too easy, so they made them harder. People complained they were too hard, to they made them grindy. People complained that the story missions were too short, so they made them longer. People complained they were too long, so they took them out entirely. All of the Annual Pass stuff was just catering to the community based on feedback from year 1. I play the game almost religiously, and I think the community's complaints should be taken with a grain of salt. Not ignored though. Bungie is notorious for just giving in to the whims and cries of the people who hardly play the game and almost ignoring the dedicated population
I don’t regret my purchase. I got enough to keep me entertained every weekend, and I’d gladly pay to have access to some great new weapons and gear. I feel like a lot of the rewards were undersold here, and while I agree on stale content like forges, I think they served a good enough purpose. And they learned. Opulence is fantastic. New content sounds amazing. And I feel like many things can be stated in your “unimpressed tone” and bring down its vibe. So all in all, I see your point, and politely disagree.
Complains about not being able to do content he paid for right away then proceeds to suggest they implement paid content that’s so hard that many people will never be able to do it because they simply aren’t gods at the game
Who the fuck would want to play time gated content anyways? That’s like o Buying a lego set that ur gonna get in a month and getting one LEGO piece per day I think it’s stupid, drip fed is boring predictable and bland. You tackle one thing at a time. I’d rather have expansion feel more wholesome like you know, a complete game? Rather than just a half assed game that’s being completed over time.
@@jpp4566 Yeah but you're also the type of person to complain that there is no new content and that bungie is lazy. Logging in every week in Destiny is awesome because there is always something new too do. Just my opinion.
DarthEatsDonuts I don’t play destiny 24/7 and no life it like other people do. I’ve not once in my life ever complained about no content. Not even during the drought period after TTK in d1 Usually when a big expansion comes out it takes me about 6-7 months to finish all it’s content. Like forsaken for example. Personally me. I could wait for yearly expansion with small free event updates in between. As long as they were very big and content filled expansions with meaningful activities to do that aren’t monotonous. I really hate drip fed content personally. It feels non meaningful and it feels like I’m playing a game that’s getting fixed over time. It doesn’t feel wholesome or complete
DarthEatsDonuts like literally SWB2 and FO76 both do drip fed content as well and those games were half assed on release, maybe that’s why I feel like that but it’s just my opinion
I only agree with you because I feel the reckoning was not worth 10 dollars. A 5-10 dollar reduction is probably called for but regardless the amount of entertainment I got with my 30 dollars is pretty substantial
I agree with you and I came in not. Although the Annual Pass was a way to reduce content droughts and that's why you need to grind boring content you have done before, which is a flaw of the light system and how bungie increases player power. However a a decent chunk of its content was lackluster leading to lackluster reviews. It sounds like the "replacement" to the annual pass will be more focused on specific things like crucible, strikes, whatever. (Although this batch was focused on there own thing with the exception of jokers wilds.) Plus the new payment plan is way better, but there are still a lot of unknowns.
Annual pass content is not worth coming back to once you've gotten what you need besides opulence (Pre chest nerf). The seasonal content however kept me playing more. The annual pass is 2 raids, pinnacle weapons and managerie thats it disregard everything else. Reckoning would be good if the drop rates were improved, i have sweaty pve friends so its enjoyable for me. I liked how lumina at least gave you a new toy at the start of the quest with rose, i enjoyed the quest more because of it. I kind of want to believe the annual pass was just an experiment and that they will learn from it. I still love this game for the freedom of movement it provides, at least you can wait on the next seasons and buy them after if they're good
I played destiny 2 for over 44 hours straight before went to sleep and played for another 19 hours, went to bed then you get the drift. Been doing this since it came out
After wasting 1100hrs on Destiny 1 I wouldn't touch Destiny 2 even if it was free....which it was on Ps plus at one point. And boy am I glad I stuck my guns, since it the game was just Destiny 1.5 and the customer experience was EXACTLY the same as Destiny 1.
I HATE The Last Word's final step it was cool at first but 47 attempts later it was done. Along with losing years off my life for how hard I raged at the horrid hit reg and trade deaths. I'm not lying at all 47 attempts and a very noticeable pain in my chest after completing. I will never forget that horrid ending to a bad quest. Mainly due to the quest taking a minimum of 8 years of my life away. I will die 8 years sooner because of The Last Word in Destiny 2. Also SoTD was the worst few months in any game I've ever played. A shit game mode, a de-venomed Thorn, more bad game mode and Reckoning to get armor to play more of the bad game mode. Loved it top quality non lazy design.
I got the annual pass for free with one week of dishes. Well worth it to have my darling thorn by my side once again, but yeah the original price for the annual pass is kinda garbage. I hope it’ll be free content or a much smaller fee.
I’m just really glad I waited till I finished my exams and only paid £40 for Year 2 content. £20 for Forsaken, £15 for the Annual Pass and £5 for the trash cosmetic extras. Still though the Annual Pass has been super boring excluding the menagerie. Like Datto said, Bungie insist on adding more content to the game and leaving old content to rot. Example. Reckoning. A new game mode that was added and will likely never be fixed to a great standard. Hoping Year 3 can make my £50 spent worth it. Glad they’re allowing people to buy the seasons individually.
And the annual pass is now free to Forsaken owners. I get to laugh at those who bought it, but those who bought it get to laugh at me cause i burned myself out on destiny 2 and i have no interest to come back even to do the annual pass stuff. If only it went free in july, back when i actually was hooked on it even though i had literally nothing to grind for.
Okay so after watching, I agree there is much left wanted. I don’t necessarily think any particular piece of content was bad but I do think bungie has a problem with making these interesting game modes and then don’t end up using them past a couple of weeks or months. I wish we could have reasons to go back and do these things.... they need to give whoever came up with the whisper, outbreak mission and shattered throne a promotion. Also where is the guy who made the raid armor for D1? Get that guy back in there please. Peace out!
In my opinion season of opulence was great, which seems to be most people’s opinion. I loved the menagerie and the chalice mechanics. However black armory got old quick and the only reason I’d ever go into a forge is for a kill clip/rampage kindled orchid. Niobe labs in itself was cool, but that’s about it. Jokers wild was great for people who enjoy gambit. There was some really interesting lore and new mechanics in gambit with the new armor, but that’s it. if you don’t like gambit then it’s not worth it. Me personally, i like to collect everything the game has to offer, so if looking back on it I would have still wanted the annual pass. However I have noticed that the annual pass is generally not well received other than season of opulence. If your not a collector, then overall I would say the annual pass is for the most part rather boring and not worth it.
My main issue with the annual pass was that it should have been split up into 3 seasonal passes at about 10 bucks each, but they knew that it was going to be mostly lack-luster, so they forced you to go in on all 9 months of the pass. Also, is it even really an annual pass if you only get 9 months of new content? I would agree that Activision's hand probably played heavily into the quality of the annual pass. Activision's insistence on Bungie releasing something new every 3 months might have forced Bungie to do something like this. I will also be checking out Shadowkeep, but I am also very tired of the ups and downs with this franchise. Shadowkeep is probably Bungie's last chance at this point. They now have no one else to blame but themselves if things go badly going forward.
@@PixellBytes Yeah, they've kind of hinted at the more "a la carte" style of content drops and pricing, so we'll see. I'm still not clear on how everything is going to put out, to be honest.
In a gaming world where you can get this amount of content for the price as 3 top tier fortnite skins it kind of puts into perspective the type bargain this content really was. Complaining about the content we got without suggesting any fixes or any new ideas/improvements for 7 whole minutes is going to persuade the average idiot not really considering a price point for what they are spending there money on.
I think 20 bucks would have been fair. My only justification, as weak as it is, is that paying for the Season Pass allowed them to also make the free content. Think of buying the Pass like being a Patreon sub. You pay so everyone can enjoy stuff.
As someone who disagrees with the title I'm 44 seconds in trying to hear you out but you keep flipping between "hear me out because I have a good case" and "you have to admit that it was a total rip off" Make your argument before you make broad, sweeping assertions Also in your summary of Annual Pass offerings you left off all exotic quests and Invitations of the Nine - content that while not particularly long or engaging, was fun while I was doing it (I know you also left exotic quests like Ace of Spades and Wish Ender off of Forsaken too but there were more in AP)
That's why I liked Destiny much more than Destiny 2 and haven't played the 2d one much. Also the lore library UI was much nicer... To me Destiny pretty much died after the 2d part came out. I'm not even sure whether the 1st one is still available/working at all. Also also I don't get why there are so few likes on that video man... Great job.
power surge quest didnt exist when BA came out, even then, the power surge quest that came with season of the drifter only got you up to 640, which meant that you still had to grind up to 700. Still, you could make the point that the existence of the power surge bounties makes all the effort you spent grinding up to 650 feel worthless, it's why I didn't participate much in season of the drifter, I knew I could wait until Opulence for another surge bounty. Raising the light level cap was their way of padding out the game
I would love to join you man on pc, i made the mistake on starting from scratch on pc since i only had the base game on ps4 so i haven't done any raid.
I would like to add perspective, black ops 4 charges $20 for a skin...if you don't like the game don't play. $35 is the cost of a meal basically or would not even cover admission for 2 to a movie with drinks and popcorn so.......
The annual pass started off really badly imo, the fact that a max power guardian had to grind to start the new content put me off for months. The forges were fun at first, but got boring quite quickly. The raid and Niobe labs were amazing, I enjoyed it very much. Reckoning sucks, gambit prime is terrible because of it. Xur bounties were cool, but we're boring to complete. Menagerie is the best activity yet. The raid I haven't completed yet, but seems very boring. The annual pass had great premises, like the forges, but fell short because of their crap gameplay. If the gameplay in the exotic quests and the new horde modes was much more interactive and varied it would've been perfect. £20 is the price I see it at on most places, which is fine imo. However I am glad I bought it as you could clearly tell each season they were improving the content, you could tell there was genuine effort put in to make these good. It also provided me with alot of time to burn which was needed for me.
A lot of people already expressed their opinion about your video but I will say that you like to say “this is where my 35 dollars went in this season.” (Or something similar) however you should acknowledge that this is three seasons. So in reality it is more like “this is where my 11 dollars went into.” Personally, since this is an Annual pass, 35 bucks is pretty good since your getting roughly 9 months of content, some free, some for the annual pass. I will also say once again that Destiny is mostly a pve focused game, not pvp.
Honestly, I feel as though this video didn't need to be made. No hate to you or your ideas, but I feel as though most people know now that up until this newest season, the pass was extremely lack luster. Everyone knows that forges weren't designed well and that the season was basically "give me money" the season, and that Season of the Drifter made some okay changes to Gambit that pretty much took out the need for Gambit Prime (Speeding up matches, giving better rewards, ect.) other than Reckoning, which was a boring gamemode that lasted a whole of two weeks before people got bored of it. SoO was by far the best of the three, but ask anyone and they'll tell you after they fixed the chest glitch, no one played it much more. Trubute hall is enjoyable, but one hell of a grind that most people don't want to put their time into. I know a bunch of people aren't even going for the Bad Juju catalyst just because it's too costly on mats. I also just want to talk about the fact that the exotic guns for the season were hand cannons (Except for Bad Juju and Izanagi's burden) I know they're in the meta, but people need to have other types of weapons to enjoy, because atm the only auto rifles I barely see at the moment are Suros and the raid auto. Again, no hate to you, but I feel like this was mostly common knowledge to most people that paid for it.
I think its definetly an inprovent over the old 2 expansion sistem. And while i didnt got it at full price, i think that 35 dlls is a bit too much for what it is. But i have faith that the new expansion pass is going to be better than this one, so it might be worth at full price.
*Contraverse warlocks are whining about oem and middle tree void hunter* And here we are, the only truly broken exotic is contraverse. In season 8, when hunters were op and titans also had a cheese 1 punch mechanic, and things were almost balanced-arc hunter eas slightly more imbalance than handheld, while handheld compared to other cheese builds is too strong
Time spent on the game absolutely justifies the price, think about it. For 60$ minimum i can enjoy a theme park for a day or for 35$ I can play destiny for 3 seasons while it gives me a reason to replay content I would never have gone back to. Old guns coming back is a good thing, you seem to dislike this but not everyone is d2 played d1. The new exotics are awesome and I still use most of them. I have to say that I respect your opinion but I disagree wholeheartedly. I'm still liking the video, it was well made and no misinformation was said.
The time wasting will continue especially now that they're going to try really hard to sell ranks xp in the last 4 weeks of each battle pass. Oh, and they're weaponizing FOMO by removing paid for content. Bungie is now a shell of their former selves. People like you Ren are hooked and going to buy this crap anyways, lol
$35 for as much hours of content as I played in season of opulence alone is a bargain. I played the season pass for hundreds of hours, and at least 25% of that was new content. Just because forsaken had more content doesn’t mean annual pass was a rip off. And imo, you’re wrong. Time spent in a game is a valid reason for price. You’re paying money for a service. You probably pay 20 dollars to see a movie or more for only 2-3 hours, while destiny you pay more, but get so much more. And even as you say in your video about season of opulence, they did a lot right and I feel like after you made those points and started talking about the pass as a whole you started ignoring those same points.
Even worse than the quality of the annual pass it’s the quality of D2 itself. The art style feel and music of the game was just much more grandiose and grounded, less fantasy and cartoonish. The pvp gameplay was just straight more fun in D1 (on console, D2 on pc is a much closer experience to D1). Strong elemental burns made nightfall and strikes tougher and made gear selection more important. POE while far from perfect is still the best horde mode put into the franchise. Raids and raid loot were on another planet of quality (with the rare exception of something like 1k voices) and few new D2 exotics ever came close to the status of D1 classics like Hawkmoon and Gjallahorn. Damage-increasing perks dominate both the pve and pvp sanbox in d2 killing the variety of desirable rolls. Competitive is a sad substitute for trials (STILL MISSING) that most players grind just to get to 2100 and then abandon. Gambit is hated by pretty much everyone i know. I Would just like to start over with D3 and let this carcass of a game finally die
Now that Bungie and Activision have split, do you think we’ll keep getting content like the forges and the reckoning? Or do you think things will improve? Also, bonus question, would you prefer having 2 DLC drops per year, like “CoO and Warmind? For 5 bucks extra we got WAY more content, I’d like to hear your thoughts.
Also… I completely forgot to talk about the “Izanagis Burden” quest, because I genuinely forgot that it even existed!
It looks like they are turning things around but I don't know if I can play on. Crucible is soul crushing and I can't be spending tons of hours like before because I got school starting in a month
I started Redrix when Season of Opulence dropped and I just got it yesterday...Trust me when I say this: unless Solstice blows my socks off and they start actually fixing their fucking game I am not getting close to buying Shadowkeep. I know making games can be a challenge but this shit is getting out of hand
They'll definitely improve. Unlike most other studios. Bungie does actually listen. Biggest example is Season of Opulence. The annual pass imo is way better than the expansions we got last year.
Have u got not forgotten yet renn ?
We are in the shadow keep deluxe there is a annual pass for year 3
Remember how Bungie actually forgot a piece of the Niobe Labs puzzle making it incompletable, till they just told us "lol we forgot oops"
Got it for 15 bucks on sale, I’d say a price around that is way better
Couple months you'll be able to get the annual pass and Forsaken for that price 😂
The Stampede yeah lmao
I bought everything for 40 bucks and I still don’t know if it was a good deal
@@meowdalachow7932 all of destiny? that wouldn't be bad if Destiny wasn't about to be free
Meow DaLaChow well you get forsaken so...
In my opinion I still enjoyed it more than the season pass, that ain’t saying much though
You have anarchy yet or no?
The only thing that bothered me honestly was the fact that they added ZERO new strikes over the entire course of this annual pass...
Or crucible maps,
Or trials like they promised would (take a break)
And the fact that over 50% of the exotics in this annual pass were d1 weapons.
Oh yeah and 90% of the weapons from menagerie were reskins (drang Mida mini tool, eyasluna etc.)
And holy fuck every single quest in this game has been the same boring monotonous content, can we get any variety ffs?
It’s always go generate orbs of light,
/get 200 headshots/kills/lost sectors/strikes.
Like holy fucking shit bungie seriously has a HUGE issues with reusing old content and being super fucking boring with quest design, I could literally design better quests...
Like honestly it’s either me getting bored of this franchise or getting very annoyed with it.
Annoyed at the fact that it took 3 or so years for bungie to make destiny 2 destiny 1 year 3 again lol... this game really needs to fucking innovate because we’ve been doing the same Shit since the taken king.
Bungie needs to take notes some from better developers like CD project red and such. Idk what the fuck has been going on with this franchise
YoBoyAdrian but strikes literally mean nothing... they are fun the first time but then you gather a list of strikes which are just painful to play and hope you don’t run into them when in the playlist, they have literally no loot and the only reason to do them is for powerfuls/ pinnacle weapons. Compared to the forge that has a mich better structured loot system that will stay relevant to an extent until a completely reworked weapon system comes out. People complained about the casualness of y1 and bungie gave us a grind.
I have a friend with a big forehead More strikes equals more Nightfall specific loot to chase. Plus it’s basically been a whole year without new strikes and I REALLY want some more strike variety when I’m forced to play them lol
YoBoyAdrian and of the 5 random roll nightfall weapons: horrors least you only get for curse breaker, mindbenders ambition is obtainable from the worst strike design in the game, militias birthright is only used to get mtop and the long good bye is just another sniper nothing really unique about it.
I have a friend with a big forehead true true, I honestly miss the awesome strike specific loot from D1 😔
I personally thought my money was well spent and I got more out of it in the annual pass than most other games I've bought. I'm going to respond to each section as you go over them:
Black armoury: I personally really liked the forges and unlike what you said they do have enough differences in mechanics (for me at least) to keep each interesting. I agree about the quests though, those suck balls. Also yes we need to be able to launch them from the director, although me playing on PC the load times arent as much of a problem and it doesn't take nearly as long to get into the game. The raid I also agree with you on, was pretty sick. Also you say the last word quest does not count as extra content then you complain about it taking you too long to do. I thought it was a huge step up from the Thunderlord quest and exactly what an exotic quest should be like (my opinion).
Season of the Drifter: Opposite opinion to you, I actually really enjoyed the way Reckoning worked and looked. But I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE anything to do with gambit. I want to bash my head into the wall any time I hear the word gambit. I hate how I'm forced to play Gambit Prime if I want to grind out armour in the Reckoning, and I hate how the armour is FOR gambit. Also wish the drop rate on weapons were better for reckoning. Also I agree the thorn quest wasnt as good as the last word quest but I still really enjoyed it. Again, its how I want all exotic quests to be like.
Plus the Xur bounties also kinda sucked but the lore afterwards was sick af for a lore nerd like me. Overall this season had some pretty sick lore.
Season of Opulence: I agree, Menagary is sick and I hope we get more like it in the future especially with the feedback on the chest farm under their belt. I have already expressed how I feel about exotic quests and nothing changes with the Truth and Lumina. Kinda surprised you didnt talk about the tribute hall, which is really sick and awesome but fine whatever, I guess not mentioning something sick af helps your point that this is a scam but whatever.
Conclusion: You said you arent including things free to all, things that were free to all that you listed as part of the paid experience in forsaken included the crucible maps and bows (as the vow bow was free to all). As well as when shadowkeep launches the dreaming city, tangled shore and all of gambit will be free to all as well, and really free as in part of the free to play game. Now for the crucible, lets just say....... I'm pissed off. Shadowkeep is supposed to bring a bunch of new pvp changes and stuff, but honestly even if they are amazing changes I'm still going to be pissed that as a pvp main, I paid money for the side of the game that I play only when I dont want to play pvp. Mind you with the way supers currently work as well as the eon it took them to fix lord of wolves me not wanting to play pvp is something that happens more often than not in year 2. Enough for me to honestly say, I enjoyed year 1 pvp better, no actually, vanilla d2 pvp more. I like the gunplay, I don't like instant win buttons like supers and lord of wolves. Pvp for me is running away from one super only to get sandwiched by two more supers, then being killed off spawn by either a super or heavy. I hear the problem is worse on PC and I might want to go on xbox to test that. But OH MY GOD like jesus, pvp sucks right now. With strikes you lightly touched on, I also agree 100%.
MY Conclusion: The annual pass was pretty good, maybe a bit too much but I don't regret buying it. I'm very happy we will be able to buy each season separate from now on instead of all up front because I would have never bought season of the drifter regardless of the thorn quest (the only reason I would buy it) It will also force Bungie not to make any more "season of the drifters" because I'm sure they would like it if people actually bought their stuff. (most my friends would have passed on it too) Black armoury and Season of Opulence were well worth the money for me though, personally because I liked the forges more than you obviously did, and you could choose what weapon you could grind for (something you again didn't mention, doesnt work well for your point). And everything pve related in SoO is amazing. Raid-wise Scourge ranks up there with my fav raids (VoG, Kings Fall and Last Wish) and CoS ranks in the middle. I think a $25 price tag would have been better but since I've at least got a lot out of the lore of SotD I'm alright with the extra $10 PERSONALLY. The annual pass isnt a ripoff but just overpriced, and I think bungie knows this and that makes me happy going forward.
I hope you get around to reading this
Edgemister Gaming holy moly
Holy Moly x2
Well done
Thank you
Nice pov
35 bucks for a ton of hours of content for me was worth it, I can skip getting a coffee every morning for a month
Tons of hours of content only because of a repetitive nature, wouldn't you say? It's clear to see that the value of the annual pass compared to forsaken was vastly different, but it was still similarly priced. If not a scam, then at the very least, over priced.
@@Whitelight I disagree. The amount of legendary armor and weapons, plus exotics, is comparable. This video doesn't do anything to account for the reward structure of destiny and the way the sandbox changed thanks to new perks, mods, and activities
Whitelight look at ROI, it has the same price as the annual pass and less content, maybe more rewards but less content, and don’t say the content wasn’t repetitive, because it was
@@chrisa4627 good rewards dont mean anything if the activities are bad
I mean. Tier 3 was launched, what two weeks later ? So realistically. If you were playing the game. You would have been high enough to do tier 3
Luke Doyle Ya but who really wanted to play that Garbage anyway 🤷♂️
This video was ahead of its time, literally predicted the future of destiny content and monetization
Season of Opulence was definitely my favorite. We got the Menagerie, a new raid, and new guns (which are excellent) still it is quite underwhelming when you think about it.
And two exotic quests so far plus the tribute hall
It depends on what you like to be fair
@@aryanbilakhia9842 yeah that too
Nah. Annual pass is a lot better than the season pass. Small drops of content throughout the year are a lot better than a huge dump every 4 months.
Also, the raids this time around were infinitely better than the year 1 raids.
The purpose of the annual pass was mainly to introduce new items for people who already enjoy the basic content to grind for, while also adding a few new modes. You seem to think that the only meaningful content is new campaign missions, new raids, or activities with imaginative new mechanics, and while all of those things are great, new loot is also content even if you have to play the basic game modes to get it. Therefore, I disagree with your assessment that asking people to play the base game content that they already have, such as strikes, is somehow ridiculous.
@@LotusReal I agree that new activities and raids and stuff like that is the most important and significant new content. I just disagree with his almost writing off of anything that's tied to simpler things or base game activities.
The point was to have content made for dedicated players, which is exactly what people like me enjoy. I think it was well worth the price and I play the content on a daily basis, to this day.
Parker Jordan thank you!
i don't even have a console or a gaming pc, i don't even care about the subject, i just like watching your videos because of the presentation, nice work, keep doing it
Watched the whole video, and I have some qualms. The presentation was fine for the most part, but I'm not convinced, and I'd like to share why.
1) You volley between two points that clash. "Time spent playing does not validate money spent on the game." That versus this. "Time is worth so much more than money, since money can be earned back." These two points contradict. If time is more valuable than money, and the annual pass offers (through admitted repetition) hundreds of hours of time spent playing, why would one feel like it wasn't worth it? Hopefully you understand my confusion with using these two sentiments together.
2) You state several times that the annual pass caused us to replay content that "wasn't fun the first time". This makes you sound like someone that doesn't enjoy Destiny at all, and is flaming the annual pass from the perspective of a non-player or non-fan. Why would you like the additions if you didn't like the base? That whole attitude weakens your point.
Ultimately I agree with the lack of depth in the forge activity and with all of Season of the Drifter, but I felt my money was well spent before this video and I still feel that way after. I don't mean to attack you or your video, just to discuss. If you end up reading this, thank you for your time.
Those first 2 statements aren't mutually exclusive. Time spent doesn't validate money spent if you didn't enjoy how you spent that time and since time is more valuable than money he feels cheated out that time as well as his money. Given how repetitive the content is and how god damn long loading screens are I can't say I blame him for feeling that way.
Dez Xanatos On your first point, time spent playing with content from the annual pass wasn’t worth it because the experience gained from doing so felt like that. There’s no point in spending money on content that would make one feel “like working at a job”, just as our man felt. as for you, you might have felt that playing, for example, the gameplay loop of gambit prime and reckoning fun, and that in its own right would be a worthwhile experience. But when it comes down to it, there is a likely majority of people that dislike gameplay like reckoning, forge, and maybe even menagerie. therefore, these pieces of content would be a waste of time and a waste of money, since one cannot obtain a proper experience.
If this was like D1 and after a year of nothing, we got everything in the Annual Pass all at once at $35, I think this narrative would be different.
I would rather have this than waiting a whole year for what's next. It seems many have forgotten what that was like. ~$10 a Season was well worth it. The intentionality of the Ada bounties evolved into the Chalice. The Forges evolved into the Menagerie. We've been seeing an upward trend. It's hard to say if that'll continue in Shadowkeep, the first piece of content without any Activision studios' fingers on the development and publishing, but we will see.
Ultimately, I don't agree with many of your points but I understand them. It's been more "Destiny". After years of it, things are surely going to feel more monotonous than you remember them being in D1. The fact is, it's not entirely different. The "charm" of Destiny is simply diluting over time.
Finally somebody speaking facts
you dont need forsaken to do the outbreak perfected quest neither the bad juju, i already helped 2 of my friends without any dlcs to get those...
Just got it for 15$ on PS4 and it is so much fun. The only problem is the damn fetch quest u have to do in order to unlock stuff. IT IS A JOB
It should have originally costed 15 dollars
@@jpp4566 I agree
I bought Destiny 1 around the time it came out. Had a great time in the beginning. Sometimes, I played it all day. It was still a bit underwhelming, with the maps being pretty linear & empty. But going for max-level was fun, the shooting felt good.
Then the expansions came out. I didn't buy them. The game soon became a worthless downgrade from what I had before. No strikes/raids, whatever the fuck they're called. Less difficulty options to choose from. You
couldn't obtain the platinum trophy anymore.
That was my first Bungie experience. I hate that company now. Fuck 'em.
I don't play Destiny and I didn't understand anything, but I do love my favorite little boy so I watched the whole thing
I'm just watching this now , and I completely agree. I actually didn't buy the annual pass but when it became free I was ready to go play reckoning for a god roll spare rations, I got the thing to unlock t2 reckoning, and I got a rapid hit rampage spare rations in Gambit prime before I even got t2 reckoning, I'm never touching that mode, it offers nothing of value to me and that's really sad :(
I got the annual pass for £10 so I can't complain but I can see how people who paid $35 for it can.
I DONT EVER want to see the Words "Go.Back.To.Ada." again. I even had Flashbacks while trying to play R.E. 2.
lol how that vex deflected your grenade made me spill my whiskey.. I just got back to D2 a little over a month ago from about a 8 months hiatus and had only pay 15€ for the annual pass and I think that is a fair price for it.. I would not have paid 30€ for it and thats why I had the time off from D2 but I have had a lot of fun since I came back and are glad I did so..
little edit: great video.. liked..
Taking time away from it, DEFINITELY helps
On the exotic quests: Yes, the content was reused. Not going to defend that. But they weren't all bad if you were doing them as they came out because they changed how everyone was playing the game. This was most noticeable in PvP. For Lumina, everyone suddenly running Rose was a great shakeup to the norm. Letting your teammates die for the medals for Thorn and watching everyone try to bait everyone else was good fun. Invaders dancing to let the other team get their medals was amusing. It doesn't justify the entirety of the quests, but the entire community working on the same thing at once and interacting with one another differently was a fun experience that made me enjoy parts of the grind.
I pre-ordered Forsaken and the annual pass 2 months before release.
I've only beaten "The Last Wish" once, and quit after achieving that.
I've probably *AT MOST* 15 hours of D2 since last November.
This is coming from a guy that has logged 800(I know, "rookie numbers".) hours in d1, and 452 in d2.
Shadowkeep(?) is the first dlc I haven't bought. It'll probably be decent, but I think I'm done with Destiny. It's not because of the lackluster story, or the amount of grinding.
It's because of how fucking slow everything is.
Menus are slow AF to load in.
Logging on is Fucking slow.
"Fast Travel" is FUCKING SLOW.
Not to mention the amount of times you have to go to the Tower for a quest, then have to go to another PLANET to talk to some guy then come back. FUCK THAT SHIT.
Tbf I've been spoiled with how some recent games are getting better at load screens etc. The point still stands though.
I remember when Bungie first announced D2 and said everything was faster.
*Texted all this while loading into the Tower*
This, this is the truest struggle a Destiny player will experience, far too much time is spent not even playing the game.
y’all need to switch to pc when cross save comes out
Honestly I had the same problems as you for soo long but then I switched to an asf in my ps4 and the load times were way faster and they were as fast as my pc when I compared well pc was a tiny bit faster but you get the point.
So here’s the thing...compared to literally ANY other “season pass” this is insane value. Even if you hate season of the drifter and throw all the content out the window there, the exotic additions alone are more than what most other game’s passes offer. So I have to completely disagree with you, but that’s ok. :) Opinions are opinions, we can all think different things. :)
The exotics additions?? What fucking exotic additions,
70% of exotics after black armory are d1 exotics, they are content I’ve already paid for before.
50% of the exotics in destiny 2 right now are d1 exotics. I didn’t pay for fucking old content. When I empty my wallet so much like I have been on this franchise I don’t know about you but I really expect new content. I don’t wanna keep using old stuff and doing old things.
I’ve spend over 300$ on this franchise and I still feel like I’m still playing destiny 1, this game is not innovating enough because its entire fan base are honestly dick suckers. Nothing bungie ever put out since the taken king has been innovative. I’m not going to keep paying for this. I seriously don’t get how so many people are blind to this fact, at least some people out there see it.
Other live service games like SWB2 and Fallout76 release NEW meaningful content for FREE, destiny is selling old content for a high prices and people keep buying them. I personally don’t understand the logic at all
Yeah, fallout 76s season pass was free and they’ve already improved the game drastically, added a BR and are adding NPCs in September, guess what that costed? 0$
So I wouldn’t really say the annual pass in destiny is “insane” value compared to other season passes..
So I grind out the exotic quests but I only do it on one character ... After that on the other characters I let them happen organically... Im just now finishing the Last Word quest
Sometimes i miss playing destiny then i'm not bothered then i miss it again. i wonder if it's worth buying in September on steam even tho i'm so far behind?
Nice Witcher profile 👍🏼 Absolutely love the game
Rewards matter.
Forsaken brought 4 unique sets of loot. Tangled Shore, Dreaming City, Last Wish, Gambit. The Annual Pass brought more unique sets of loot. Forges, scourge, reckoning, Menagerie, crown of Sorrows. These are not always as large as the Forsaken drops, but brought new perks and mods to the sandbox.
Forsaken brought in 8 new exotic weapons, Annual Pass brought 7 new exotic weapons. Though, the annual pass was shorter on new exotic armor, I'll admit that much. Forsaken had like 12 new pieces, Annual pass had 6 as a mix of old and new.
Raids and their loot are the best part of destiny. Both parts of the pass with raids had unique loot. Shattered throne was an interesting proof of concept, but failed to deliver exclusive loot like Scourge and Crown do.
Annual pass and Eververse revenue likely bolstered the investment in live events. These two things are not isolated. The best year for live events was the year the community paid more.
The number of gameplay modes, weapons, armor, exotic quests, new mods, new weapon and armor perks suggest the pass succeeded in delivering value
I came to watch this video after your wolfinstine video. And boy oh boy.... I did not make a mistake!
I got back into Destiny after Forsaken dropped. Made it back in time for Season of the Drifter and when Season of Opulence dropped I was done. As a solo player Season of Opulence had nothing to do but Managerie. I will not be returning to Destiny anymore regardless of how good Shadowkeep is. We all know we'll have to keep replaying old content just to get some new stuff and I absolutely cannot fucking stand Y1 content. Y1 of D2 was such a trash heap in terms of content and now almost 3 years later we're still playing majority shitty Y1 content...Bungie is so lazy and/or wastes time in stupid exotic quests and then demands cash for us to keep playing old shitty content while making the new content die shortly after it releases. My time back to Destiny was short, the Annual Pass was trash, I feel like the people who told me the game was in a good place were just fanboys who play the game regardless, and I can't play D2 anymore. 90% of the game is trash, so I can't be bothered to play the other 10% just to be forced to play the other 90% over and over and over and over and over.
Honestly I had to leave Destiny 2 for 7 months before coming back to try season of Opulence. The annual pass content was lazy, uninspired and boring, the haunted forest was the same. Horde Mode with a ball and one round Gambit was and is half assed at best. The only thing I enjoyed was Scourge of the past Raid Lair (Yes that's what is is.) Crown of Sorrows was terrible considering it is literally one mechanic spanned over 4 encounters. The ONLY good thing to come from it was Menagerie pre nerf now it's a ghost town.
I think the issue with activities like forge and reckoning is that they cant make them too mechanical or complex because a lot of players dont aspire to be better or make fireteams, solo queuing limits what they can do. Menagerie works fine becauae theres enough players to carry the laggers. Otherwise the forums fill up people saying theyre solo players and things are unobtainable. Like if you had a gun that was like 4 man a raid or 2 man shattered throne for the last step that would be amazing but no one would do it. I dont know how to make things difficult. No matter what happens, wether its more adds, underlevelled or more mechanics, i constantly hear people just saying "artificial difficulty". Hopefully the riff on menagerie.
Ok so I get that the mangery is more fun but don't say that it's the only thing in destiny history you can choose your loot because in black armory if I want a kindle orchard I can go to ada 1 and pick up a hand cannon frame
See I said to my friends that the annual pass was gonna be a waste and look what happened (so glad I didn't buy it)
It wasn’t a waste though, 95% of the destiny community took the annual pass positively, the guy reviewing here is a hardcore critic, he talks shit about every game cause it’s his job, the annual pass was made for hardcore players, if that isn’t you that’s not our problem.
Honestly I think the annual pass was worth it for the 2 raids and Menagerie alone. Black armory was enjoyable, and Reckoning was awful.
But overall the $35 over the last year was more then worth it for me.
I gotta say, I'm...surprised at how many people I'm seeing in the comments were satisfied with their purchase.
I agreed with most of the stuff in the video, most of the stuff that was paid for really...really wasn't worth it. The season pass was shifty because I would have gladly paid a reduced price to only have Season of Opulence, which I thought was...good, decent, not stellar by a long shot. Black Armory was trash, had zero interest in it and thought the forge quests was really mind bendingly boring & unimaginative. Season of the Drifter was a snoozer as well but I think the Bungie split was being announced around this time so morale was on the upswing even though there was really...NO content in my opinion. Reckoning wasn't worth my friends time either.
I think maybe what some of the people in the comments are thinking is that they still enjoyed their -time- in the past year. Like, if you look at the list of stuff we got for the money, it's trash dude. An objective analysis of the price-per-content makes it look like a terrible investment. But on the flip side, if was necessary to stay in the community to have access to all the newest developments in the community like loot grinding & stuff, & while I hated the ever living sh** out of the Thorn and Last Word quests, once they were done, yeah...I did flex on my friends a little bit & it was a little cool.
I hold the opinion that fine, whatever, I had a few good moments during the span of time I paid for the Annual Pass. Like, cool thanks. I reserve the right to hold the belief that it STILL wasn't worth it, & I can still play while complaining all i want & I won't filter anything just because I have to appreciate what Bungie is doing during this period of transition, which is the only other thing i can think of as another point of reference for the cost. It is clear that Bungie's new a-la-carte DLC system could only be tabled after Activision took off.
tl;dr I can understand the blowback & the Bungie defenders & it's mostly fine but I personally agree that, if it wasn't for the fact that there was all the Activision stuff being drained lately, this Annual Pass was objectively not worth it. Very glad that we'll be able to pick and choose our own DLCs once the migration to Steam is fully complete.
Ok I gotta agree, I’m sick and tired of horde modes. Usually when content drops it’s like “a new pinnacle mode where you got to blah blah location and defeat enemies so you can defeat a boss blah blah” i want something new
Great arguments, I really like how you bring up game mechanics can be done better, and instead of leaving it at that, you suggest ways that it could be improved. Ages ahead of other reviewers that just criticise and have nothing to help the problem.
Keep it up Renn, love your videos.
It's a good thing I came back to the game late. Glad I didn't drop 35$ for this stuff and just got it for free by buying the forsaken expansion.
Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Fool me 7 or 8 times over and I must be a destiny fan.....seems about right
You know this some real bullshit when a god gamer like Renn takes 5 hours to complete a quest. That like 3 days in regular gamer sense.
Favorite youtuber only posts once a month. Looks like life is only worth living for .00279% of its duration.
A good case my dude!!! After I got the anual pass I quit the game, because I got nothing more than I already had from the forsaken expansion. And the annual pass costed more than the game, I got the game for 11 dollars!!!
In my opinion I liked the annual pass and I think bungie should put more like it in future expansions
So you DO play on Xbox, I saw you in a crucible match yesterday
@rabid that's how I did, yeah. I saw him in a crucible match before the video came out and wasn't sure if it was him or someone who took his name on Xbox if he played on PC or something
Honestly, I think Bungie catering to the community and their whims is the main thing holding Destiny back. People complained gun quests were too easy, so they made them harder. People complained they were too hard, to they made them grindy. People complained that the story missions were too short, so they made them longer. People complained they were too long, so they took them out entirely. All of the Annual Pass stuff was just catering to the community based on feedback from year 1. I play the game almost religiously, and I think the community's complaints should be taken with a grain of salt. Not ignored though. Bungie is notorious for just giving in to the whims and cries of the people who hardly play the game and almost ignoring the dedicated population
I don’t regret my purchase. I got enough to keep me entertained every weekend, and I’d gladly pay to have access to some great new weapons and gear. I feel like a lot of the rewards were undersold here, and while I agree on stale content like forges, I think they served a good enough purpose. And they learned. Opulence is fantastic. New content sounds amazing. And I feel like many things can be stated in your “unimpressed tone” and bring down its vibe. So all in all, I see your point, and politely disagree.
“Too Much White”
Lmao! Great Line!
Complains about not being able to do content he paid for right away then proceeds to suggest they implement paid content that’s so hard that many people will never be able to do it because they simply aren’t gods at the game
Who the fuck would want to play time gated content anyways? That’s like o
Buying a lego set that ur gonna get in a month and getting one LEGO piece per day I think it’s stupid, drip fed is boring predictable and bland. You tackle one thing at a time. I’d rather have expansion feel more wholesome like you know, a complete game? Rather than just a half assed game that’s being completed over time.
@@jpp4566 Yeah but you're also the type of person to complain that there is no new content and that bungie is lazy. Logging in every week in Destiny is awesome because there is always something new too do. Just my opinion.
DarthEatsDonuts I don’t play destiny 24/7 and no life it like other people do. I’ve not once in my life ever complained about no content. Not even during the drought period after TTK in d1 Usually when a big expansion comes out it takes me about 6-7 months to finish all it’s content. Like forsaken for example.
Personally me. I could wait for yearly expansion with small free event updates in between. As long as they were very big and content filled expansions with meaningful activities to do that aren’t monotonous.
I really hate drip fed content personally. It feels non meaningful and it feels like I’m playing a game that’s getting fixed over time. It doesn’t feel wholesome or complete
DarthEatsDonuts like literally SWB2 and FO76 both do drip fed content as well and those games were half assed on release, maybe that’s why I feel like that but it’s just my opinion
If you played more than 30 hours of annual pass content, you got your money’s worth.
Brod so if I released a dlc that was nothing but retreading old content for 30 hours is that worth 30$
No No I mean, there was new stuff that I spent more than 30 hours on...
No No also, you said “nothing but” which wasn’t true at all. I’ve probably spent more than 30 hours in Scourge of the Past and Crown of Sorrow alone.
No No so quit your bitchin you fkn weeb
Well rip me got so bored of the fucking monotonous quests I stopped at about 10 hours... looks like I didn’t get my money’s worth
I only agree with you because I feel the reckoning was not worth 10 dollars. A 5-10 dollar reduction is probably called for but regardless the amount of entertainment I got with my 30 dollars is pretty substantial
I agree with you and I came in not.
Although the Annual Pass was a way to reduce content droughts and that's why you need to grind boring content you have done before, which is a flaw of the light system and how bungie increases player power. However a a decent chunk of its content was lackluster leading to lackluster reviews.
It sounds like the "replacement" to the annual pass will be more focused on specific things like crucible, strikes, whatever. (Although this batch was focused on there own thing with the exception of jokers wilds.) Plus the new payment plan is way better, but there are still a lot of unknowns.
As someone who also wasn’t fully satisfied with the annual pass, this vid was whiney.
The forge finally burned me out of Destiny. I’ve jumped back in a few times but it’s just not hooking me like Destiny 1 did.
Annual pass content is not worth coming back to once you've gotten what you need besides opulence (Pre chest nerf).
The seasonal content however kept me playing more. The annual pass is 2 raids, pinnacle weapons and managerie thats it disregard everything else. Reckoning would be good if the drop rates were improved, i have sweaty pve friends so its enjoyable for me. I liked how lumina at least gave you a new toy at the start of the quest with rose, i enjoyed the quest more because of it.
I kind of want to believe the annual pass was just an experiment and that they will learn from it. I still love this game for the freedom of movement it provides, at least you can wait on the next seasons and buy them after if they're good
Something about watching a new destiny video by Renn every six months 😌
I played destiny 2 for over 44 hours straight before went to sleep and played for another 19 hours, went to bed then you get the drift. Been doing this since it came out
After wasting 1100hrs on Destiny 1 I wouldn't touch Destiny 2 even if it was free....which it was on Ps plus at one point.
And boy am I glad I stuck my guns, since it the game was just Destiny 1.5 and the customer experience was EXACTLY the same as Destiny 1.
Glad you gave a little love to my boy Say No To Rage... Both of you have quality content
I spend 35 dollars on shitty meals daily. When you look at it that way it's basically free.
YOU DONT NEED FORSAKEN TO DO ZERO HOUR. I did a leviathan with some level 30 and long and behold he had one. Capped at 380 btw
I HATE The Last Word's final step it was cool at first but 47 attempts later it was done. Along with losing years off my life for how hard I raged at the horrid hit reg and trade deaths. I'm not lying at all 47 attempts and a very noticeable pain in my chest after completing. I will never forget that horrid ending to a bad quest. Mainly due to the quest taking a minimum of 8 years of my life away. I will die 8 years sooner because of The Last Word in Destiny 2. Also SoTD was the worst few months in any game I've ever played. A shit game mode, a de-venomed Thorn, more bad game mode and Reckoning to get armor to play more of the bad game mode. Loved it top quality non lazy design.
I got the annual pass for free with one week of dishes. Well worth it to have my darling thorn by my side once again, but yeah the original price for the annual pass is kinda garbage. I hope it’ll be free content or a much smaller fee.
I’m just really glad I waited till I finished my exams and only paid £40 for Year 2 content. £20 for Forsaken, £15 for the Annual Pass and £5 for the trash cosmetic extras. Still though the Annual Pass has been super boring excluding the menagerie. Like Datto said, Bungie insist on adding more content to the game and leaving old content to rot. Example. Reckoning. A new game mode that was added and will likely never be fixed to a great standard. Hoping Year 3 can make my £50 spent worth it. Glad they’re allowing people to buy the seasons individually.
are you going to review borderlands 3?
no
And the annual pass is now free to Forsaken owners.
I get to laugh at those who bought it, but those who bought it get to laugh at me cause i burned myself out on destiny 2 and i have no interest to come back even to do the annual pass stuff.
If only it went free in july, back when i actually was hooked on it even though i had literally nothing to grind for.
Okay so after watching, I agree there is much left wanted. I don’t necessarily think any particular piece of content was bad but I do think bungie has a problem with making these interesting game modes and then don’t end up using them past a couple of weeks or months. I wish we could have reasons to go back and do these things.... they need to give whoever came up with the whisper, outbreak mission and shattered throne a promotion. Also where is the guy who made the raid armor for D1? Get that guy back in there please. Peace out!
In my opinion season of opulence was great, which seems to be most people’s opinion. I loved the menagerie and the chalice mechanics. However black armory got old quick and the only reason I’d ever go into a forge is for a kill clip/rampage kindled orchid. Niobe labs in itself was cool, but that’s about it. Jokers wild was great for people who enjoy gambit. There was some really interesting lore and new mechanics in gambit with the new armor, but that’s it. if you don’t like gambit then it’s not worth it. Me personally, i like to collect everything the game has to offer, so if looking back on it I would have still wanted the annual pass. However I have noticed that the annual pass is generally not well received other than season of opulence. If your not a collector, then overall I would say the annual pass is for the most part rather boring and not worth it.
My main issue with the annual pass was that it should have been split up into 3 seasonal passes at about 10 bucks each, but they knew that it was going to be mostly lack-luster, so they forced you to go in on all 9 months of the pass. Also, is it even really an annual pass if you only get 9 months of new content?
I would agree that Activision's hand probably played heavily into the quality of the annual pass. Activision's insistence on Bungie releasing something new every 3 months might have forced Bungie to do something like this. I will also be checking out Shadowkeep, but I am also very tired of the ups and downs with this franchise. Shadowkeep is probably Bungie's last chance at this point. They now have no one else to blame but themselves if things go badly going forward.
How you said it should be is how they're going to do it going forward.
@@PixellBytes Yeah, they've kind of hinted at the more "a la carte" style of content drops and pricing, so we'll see. I'm still not clear on how everything is going to put out, to be honest.
Another great video!
I look forward to your thoughts on shadowkeep and future destiny content.
In a gaming world where you can get this amount of content for the price as 3 top tier fortnite skins it kind of puts into perspective the type bargain this content really was. Complaining about the content we got without suggesting any fixes or any new ideas/improvements for 7 whole minutes is going to persuade the average idiot not really considering a price point for what they are spending there money on.
I think 20 bucks would have been fair. My only justification, as weak as it is, is that paying for the Season Pass allowed them to also make the free content. Think of buying the Pass like being a Patreon sub. You pay so everyone can enjoy stuff.
As someone who disagrees with the title I'm 44 seconds in trying to hear you out but you keep flipping between "hear me out because I have a good case" and "you have to admit that it was a total rip off"
Make your argument before you make broad, sweeping assertions
Also in your summary of Annual Pass offerings you left off all exotic quests and Invitations of the Nine - content that while not particularly long or engaging, was fun while I was doing it (I know you also left exotic quests like Ace of Spades and Wish Ender off of Forsaken too but there were more in AP)
That's why I liked Destiny much more than Destiny 2 and haven't played the 2d one much.
Also the lore library UI was much nicer...
To me Destiny pretty much died after the 2d part came out. I'm not even sure whether the 1st one is still available/working at all.
Also also I don't get why there are so few likes on that video man... Great job.
don't think you can make the point of "you have to reach this light level to actually get into the content" by ignoring the power surge quest?
power surge quest didnt exist when BA came out, even then, the power surge quest that came with season of the drifter only got you up to 640, which meant that you still had to grind up to 700. Still, you could make the point that the existence of the power surge bounties makes all the effort you spent grinding up to 650 feel worthless, it's why I didn't participate much in season of the drifter, I knew I could wait until Opulence for another surge bounty. Raising the light level cap was their way of padding out the game
@@RennsReviewsok that's a good point, "just wait until next season" isn't a good idea
I find that 35 dollars for it is excessive but I got it for 19 dollars at the beginning of July and a find it pretty appropriate
I would love to join you man on pc, i made the mistake on starting from scratch on pc since i only had the base game on ps4 so i haven't done any raid.
Renn what is thought about the state of crucible in general very curious about it. Cammycake talking about quitting
I would like to add perspective, black ops 4 charges $20 for a skin...if you don't like the game don't play. $35 is the cost of a meal basically or would not even cover admission for 2 to a movie with drinks and popcorn so.......
Annual pass was worth it, forsaken was underpriced.
40 dollars is enough, it wasnt a full game to request 50 or 60 dollars.
Ozan Bolulu I mean games in general are underpriced for the money : time ratio they give in terms of entertainment
Ozan Bolulu but in general, yes, compared to other games it was overpriced
Pay 15 bucks a month for Wow or pay 10 bucks every three months for a DLC, tough choice
Renn, are you going to play Borderlands 3?
nope
The annual pass started off really badly imo, the fact that a max power guardian had to grind to start the new content put me off for months. The forges were fun at first, but got boring quite quickly. The raid and Niobe labs were amazing, I enjoyed it very much. Reckoning sucks, gambit prime is terrible because of it. Xur bounties were cool, but we're boring to complete. Menagerie is the best activity yet. The raid I haven't completed yet, but seems very boring. The annual pass had great premises, like the forges, but fell short because of their crap gameplay. If the gameplay in the exotic quests and the new horde modes was much more interactive and varied it would've been perfect. £20 is the price I see it at on most places, which is fine imo. However I am glad I bought it as you could clearly tell each season they were improving the content, you could tell there was genuine effort put in to make these good. It also provided me with alot of time to burn which was needed for me.
Last word was fucking cancer...thanks for reminding me...I need a drink..
The last word quest took like 4 hrs max for me it wasn’t that bad I felt. Grindy but not terrible.
A lot of people already expressed their opinion about your video but I will say that you like to say “this is where my 35 dollars went in this season.” (Or something similar) however you should acknowledge that this is three seasons. So in reality it is more like “this is where my 11 dollars went into.” Personally, since this is an Annual pass, 35 bucks is pretty good since your getting roughly 9 months of content, some free, some for the annual pass. I will also say once again that Destiny is mostly a pve focused game, not pvp.
i think theyre doing a lot better now with the seasonal stuff than before
I never bought the annual pass idk if it’s worth it still with it being $15
Honestly, I feel as though this video didn't need to be made. No hate to you or your ideas, but I feel as though most people know now that up until this newest season, the pass was extremely lack luster. Everyone knows that forges weren't designed well and that the season was basically "give me money" the season, and that Season of the Drifter made some okay changes to Gambit that pretty much took out the need for Gambit Prime (Speeding up matches, giving better rewards, ect.) other than Reckoning, which was a boring gamemode that lasted a whole of two weeks before people got bored of it. SoO was by far the best of the three, but ask anyone and they'll tell you after they fixed the chest glitch, no one played it much more. Trubute hall is enjoyable, but one hell of a grind that most people don't want to put their time into. I know a bunch of people aren't even going for the Bad Juju catalyst just because it's too costly on mats. I also just want to talk about the fact that the exotic guns for the season were hand cannons (Except for Bad Juju and Izanagi's burden) I know they're in the meta, but people need to have other types of weapons to enjoy, because atm the only auto rifles I barely see at the moment are Suros and the raid auto. Again, no hate to you, but I feel like this was mostly common knowledge to most people that paid for it.
I think its definetly an inprovent over the old 2 expansion sistem.
And while i didnt got it at full price, i think that 35 dlls is a bit too much for what it is.
But i have faith that the new expansion pass is going to be better than this one, so it might be worth at full price.
*Contraverse warlocks are whining about oem and middle tree void hunter*
And here we are, the only truly broken exotic is contraverse. In season 8, when hunters were op and titans also had a cheese 1 punch mechanic, and things were almost balanced-arc hunter eas slightly more imbalance than handheld, while handheld compared to other cheese builds is too strong
Dropped after season 5 and skipped 6 and 7 btw, did not feel that ive missed something when came back with sh keep
Zero hour is available for everyone but you need to be carried if you don't have forsaken
I'd rather get an expansion over an annual pass kind of thing it's like the same price of ROI except no story and cool theme for the whole thing
Time spent on the game absolutely justifies the price, think about it. For 60$ minimum i can enjoy a theme park for a day or for 35$ I can play destiny for 3 seasons while it gives me a reason to replay content I would never have gone back to. Old guns coming back is a good thing, you seem to dislike this but not everyone is d2 played d1. The new exotics are awesome and I still use most of them. I have to say that I respect your opinion but I disagree wholeheartedly. I'm still liking the video, it was well made and no misinformation was said.
The time wasting will continue especially now that they're going to try really hard to sell ranks xp in the last 4 weeks of each battle pass. Oh, and they're weaponizing FOMO by removing paid for content. Bungie is now a shell of their former selves. People like you Ren are hooked and going to buy this crap anyways, lol
Oh boy this didn’t age well
I know this isn't in the context of the video but can you do Undertale Genocide Run video ? It is very unlike the other paths.
$35 for as much hours of content as I played in season of opulence alone is a bargain. I played the season pass for hundreds of hours, and at least 25% of that was new content. Just because forsaken had more content doesn’t mean annual pass was a rip off. And imo, you’re wrong. Time spent in a game is a valid reason for price. You’re paying money for a service. You probably pay 20 dollars to see a movie or more for only 2-3 hours, while destiny you pay more, but get so much more. And even as you say in your video about season of opulence, they did a lot right and I feel like after you made those points and started talking about the pass as a whole you started ignoring those same points.
Even worse than the quality of the annual pass it’s the quality of D2 itself. The art style feel and music of the game was just much more grandiose and grounded, less fantasy and cartoonish. The pvp gameplay was just straight more fun in D1 (on console, D2 on pc is a much closer experience to D1). Strong elemental burns made nightfall and strikes tougher and made gear selection more important. POE while far from perfect is still the best horde mode put into the franchise. Raids and raid loot were on another planet of quality (with the rare exception of something like 1k voices) and few new D2 exotics ever came close to the status of D1 classics like Hawkmoon and Gjallahorn. Damage-increasing perks dominate both the pve and pvp sanbox in d2 killing the variety of desirable rolls. Competitive is a sad substitute for trials (STILL MISSING) that most players grind just to get to 2100 and then abandon. Gambit is hated by pretty much everyone i know. I Would just like to start over with D3 and let this carcass of a game finally die