How to Make Tread/Riser Router Template for a Housed Staircase
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- In this video we make a template for routing in risers and treads on a closed side housed skirtboard. This is the template/jig that you will need in order to make the mortises into stair skirtboard for the risers and treads. We cover how to layout the jig, match material thicknesses with your wedges, deal with different nosing profiles, and accurately route out the template. I hope the video is helpful.
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(0:00) Intro Overview
(0:36) What you need to make the template.
(2:09) How to Orient Your Template in Relation to Skirtboard
(2:55) Laying Out the Template Offsets
(6:32) Attaching Guide Pieces for Template Pattern
(10:51) Using Wedges to Position Inside Pattern Guides
(13:49) Making Your Template Fit Your Tread Nosing
(16:28) Coping Your Tread Nosings into the Skirtboard
(19:09) Routing Out the Template
(20:57) Test Fitting the Template
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My teacher in high school told me there is always more than one way to do a job. I have 50 years on the job and I learn something new when I pay attention. Your a great teacher!
It is really incredible to have a video representation of what W&A Mowat wrote about. Thank you very much for taking the time to do this!
I just discovered your videos and love them. Over 20 years as a contractor you may be the best finish carpenter I have seen.
I was just a normal woodworker. Furniture and cabinets mostly. Never had the opportunity to build stairs. They look fun and challenging at the same time. Your videos are really informative and helpful. Great job on this. BTW-- You leave puppy alone. That is one of your best friends on any day. Give him or her a dry bed, some tasty food and treats and lots of attention and they can take a bad day and make it good just by playing like that with the squeaky toy. Thanks for the videos. Ron
I still have a cast iron adjustable stair jig. We used to make stairs as a business many moons ago. My brother was actually the pro who knows how to use it.
Spencer. As a home builder for over 30 years I have to say this video has inspired me to build the stairs in my next home myself. Now I do own a CNC so making the templates.... or even building my entire skirtboard on the CNC is certainly an option I will explore. But I may just go ahead and do it exactly as you have just done cause it looks like fun.
I am one of those people who get fired up about words. Especially in instructional environments.
The strips of of wood that are attached to guide the router bit are called “ Guide Strips “.
I really enjoy watching your videos. We all can benefit from the different techniques that you use and can utilize different methods for doing things. I always tell my apprentice carpenters that there are ten ways to do something, but there is always one way that really can screw things up.
Understanding how to make jigs or templates is paramount to accuracy and efficiency. Keep up the good work!
The first set of stairs I built I made a template from 1/4 inch aluminum flat stock. I still use it from time to time, it is almost 40 years old.
yeah man super vid! All of us really like the energy and skill you put into the vids and share with the public. CHEERS man!
I am a retired cabinetmaker and, as such, have never had the need to build stairs. But, I love the way you apply logic to your methods in all that you do, including this template.I always learn something new from your videos. I hope the TH-cam channel is monetarily worth it for you because you teach more than anyone else that I've seen. ( Guy, at Guy's Woodshop, is also very informative. Like you, no BS.)
Glad to help
I gave you some pushback on your shim cutting.
But I always respect your craftsmanship and integrity,and also use your store on Amazon whenever I can.
Another excellent tutorial!
Great video Spenser. I've used the Keith Mathewson technique for making my bullnose templates. Works great. Thanks for doing this video.
I don't have to build that many stairs a year but I'm defending going to use your method on next job. I saw the video of you installing them. Nice way you protected them as well. Thanks for taking the time to do these videos. I've learned a few great time savers.
Really great content you are doing here Spencer. I wish I had it as a young carpenter starting out 35 years ago.
this is one of the vids I've shared the most and I share a ton of your vids.
"People get really fired up about words" 😆 Very true....a little sad too.
Suggested topic: I too am in the Dewalt battery line. Unforgettably, Dewalt has several versions of each type of tool. Could you go over all your battery tools (including non-Dewalt) and provide specific model/type numbers and good/bad points of each, especially where you have used multiple models of the same tool? There are a lot of 'the box for this tool says:" reviews on TH-cam, but not a lot of 'after several years of production use' reviews.
You are full of goodies.
Thank you
Great video, thanks for taking the time to make it.
Omg I asked about these months ago in another one of your videos and here it is! Awesome
Very good
Your videos are so helpful thanks for sharing man
top class , glade I found this video
Very good. Thanks.
*Welcome Back*
Thankyou for sharing
Spencer, Another great video. Keepup the good work!
For people less in the know, you should link a video showing how you make consistently sized wedges.
Noted!
This is the only way to build a staircase in my opinion. I have the trend stair jig which works great for stock treads. I’ve made my share of jigs as well. I also have a good relationship with my local stair company so they give me all the sets they can’t build the whole thing in shop and drop it in. I cut all my parts as a kit and show up and assemble them on site
thanks boss !
Watching this man makes me feel like I know little about stairs. Their is a lot I want to learn in the carpentry world. I love the cope idea. The flag that went up for me was the potential of that nosing to split?
Nice... I gonna give your method a try and build me a new template
Spenser great video! I don’t really build stairs , I repair some however, I totally understood what you were doing and how having one of these jigs could be helpful for replacing a regular skirt board w/carpeted stairs and installing wood treads with new skirt board using this jig!
Anyway i build cabinets and other finish work but would just enjoy the challenge of doing some stairs!
Thk U Spenser and I do use your store!
Awesome! Thank you!
Great videos! If you have the time I'd like to see how you go about finding your rise and run.
I didn't hear it in the video but maybe I missed it. If you round over your own treads you can always just match your router bits you use. What I mean is if you use a 3/4 inch diameter bit with the template, you can use a 3/8 inch round over because thats the radius. And half of a fraction is the same as 2x the denominator so 1/2 inch bit on the template would match a 1/4 inch round over ect ect.
Nice, mustve finished the staircase :)
Great tip ... need eye protection
Great video. So, when you put treads and risers in with wedges, you glue and nail in? I have tighter up a couple stair sets made like this. Difficult if don't have right wedges. Do you build fully cased stair set the install or place stringers then cut and place treads and risers?
Take a sharpie and mark direction of router travel on each side of template so when you get in a hurry you don't forget. Cutting direction is important to prevent corner blow out when going around the profiled nose overhang.
Could you please in the next videos explain why you chose or were required to construct these stairs in this manner?
Hey Spencer. I’m happy I found this video, because I’m looking at doing a very similar tread nosing detail. I like the cope idea, and I was curious if you had any thoughts on the strength of that nosing, since it is unsupported by the dado on the last inch or so. Do you think it would weaken over time? (Or did it weaken, seeing this video is 2 years old.)
Technically it is weaker. I don't think it would ever be an issue. It's basically the same thing as what we do when we install treads between skirt boards onsite.
Spencer, I fitting dado rail into a 90 dg corner. One side run down at an angle of 20 dg and other side runs up at 10 dg. Does the mitre work out. Or can it not b mitre.
Do you have a video that’s shows how to layout a stringer with your template? Thanks
Thoughts on the indexable woodpeckers square? Looking at buying a set.
I think that one was a one time tool. Its good but I like my starret just the same.
Would you be concerned about the coped section of the tread moving slightly when walked on and squeaking against the (as we call it in Australia) stair stringer?
No, I don't think that will be an issue.
Nice Video but the measuring system is crazy complex in the USA.
The issue I see with coping the nosing is that it takes away the support at the ends of it's grain, leaving the nosing only supported cross grain from the riser out, and we all know how much weaker wood is cross-grain.
Good point. With 1" thick white oak I don't foresee this being an issue.
Fantastic videos! Some of the techniques you've have come up with are absolutely brilliant. I've built two sets of housed staircases and I'm about to build another set for the basement. I've learned so many new things watching your videos...thank you. I have one question...I'm planning to use SPC vinyl, with a matching bullnose, on the treads so they match the basement floor. I'm struggling with the best way to go about it. I was going to build the stairs first, then glue the SPC vinyl on to the treads. Then I thought about gluing the SPC vinyl to the treads first, then inserting them into the routed stringers, so the that the stringer would help keep the vinyl in place. I know vinyl can contract and expand with variations in temperature, but the temperature will be fairly consistent and the vinyl will be glued in place. Any thoughts?
Your nailer sounds like a robotic tennis racket 12:24
Where's the M12 pin nailer? Hope it isn't junk, I just bought one
That’s what I was thinking
It's great, it stays in the work van.
It's great. It stays in the work van.
@@InsiderCarpentry That's a relief. Thnx for the reply
Why not make it all wider so u can then use a bush or template guide on the router base plate?
That was a great lesson on pattern/template making. It's a good thing I have some experience with this, otherwise some points, that were a little subtle to pick up on would have slipped by.
Thanks.
So, you are VERY diligent with your finish work, but don't seem to appreciate (or are maybe a little prickly about) being as careful with words, especially those that are meant to instruct!? Curious!
Start a successful instructional youtube channel with 100k subs and then come back and talk to me about words. ;)
@@InsiderCarpentry Hey Spencer, buddy, I'm not trying to criticize. Just trying to look at things from a linguistic point of view. you know, open-mindedly.
No offence meant and really a complement to you for your dedication to your craftmanship.
How does that ryobi pin nailer work
Milwaukee is much better. Ryonbi functions. Just not well.
Insider Carpentry - Spencer Lewis thanks for the info
Old school carpenter from england just use a sharp gouge for your stair nosing plastic putty on oak would look poor
That's confusing, why do you have to use wedges? Why can't you just cut just the thickness of the tread and riser and assemble? How do you line the jig up on a 2x12 piece of lumber and run the jig down to cut an entire stringer? How do you match cut your end? (Top and bottom)
I still love your videos
The wedge causes extreme tightness which reduces the chances of squeaks and movement as it gets old. It also compensates for micro variations in the thickness of the tread, which you'd normally expect to be equal every time. As a framer I've installed many stairs from several stair manufacturers, and all of them use the wedge method (with glue) under the tread.
i dont know if its just me, but im still not sure what the purpose of the jig is. Would like to see it being used for its intended purpose and im sure i will get it then. I think i know, but im not confident in its application, hence making this video irrelevant to me. I always enjoy your videos and learn something new, so im sure you may have a follow up video.
This is a part of a whole video series. It will make sense in the next videos. i should have made that more clear.
@@InsiderCarpentry all good. I look forward to seeing them. Thanks for the update.
That “coping” thing at the nose leaves the whole nose unsupported. The nose takes all the weight when some fat teenager runs down those stairs, I really don’t think I’d be taking a shortcut there, as easy as these templates are to make, I’d figure out a way to accommodate that weird profile. Not to mention, that almost square profile is going to wear fast, that’s why stairs have a round edge, it takes wear better.
I don't see the advantage of doing stairs this way unless it's being able to say that can. I have watched the video of all the work that you did to protect the stairs from other subcontractors. It may come clear to me as the series continues
Don't judge a first time install for how much it makes sense. Look at all the companies across the US and other countries where shop built stairs are the norm. It does make sense, it just takes the right systems and processes to make it so. I can tell you that I could have done a typical clad job in 1/3 the time it took me to do this. But its about learning and trying new things.
@@InsiderCarpentry I'm all about learning new things I don't recall saying it doesn't make sense. I believe in the first video you had to do some modifications and deal with a mistake you made I've always said that it isn't a mistake unless you can't fix it. I worded my question wrong is there a cost advantage to shop vs. Site builf
@Phelebas I can see the advantage to single flights. Not convinced on split landing do shops build the landings
I vote against the cope nosing too much work and becomes an unsupported nose edge. Too easy to take have a laminate trimmer on hand with to clean corner while template is still in place, of course you have to clean the template same time you make it.
Will you adopt me?
Look at money-bags over here. Using $50 piece of plywood for a template.